CP-E motor mount review and analysis.

[Sacrilicious]

ok, so i just came back from my first test drive with this mount, and i'm going to give you guys some feedback as to what i thought of this mount as compared to the CS inserts, SU mount, and stock mount.

here's a few pics to start things off:

the mount with exposed blue rubber:

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/8931/img1755or0.jpg

the mount with the aluminum cap that covers the top and bottom of the holes in the rubber...please note that the one that goes on the bottom is flipped over to show what the aluminum cap looks like on the other side:

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/5629/img1757xo7.jpg

here's my critiques for the stock mount, CS inserts, and SU mount to build a comparison:

stock mount - lowest vibe available...smooth as hell, but wheel hop possible when you romp on the gas in 1st and sometimes even 2nd gear.

CS inserts - no added vibes...noticeable increase in shift quality and mount stiffness. did not see wheel hop. lasted roughly 2 months before i was wondering if i was back to stock or what...

SU mount - added vibes at idle and a little added roughness when partially engaged in 1st gear and when riding around in first gear. slightly stiffer than the CS inserts...no wheel hop. lasted longer than the CS inserts...was still running them without issues as i got the CP-E mount.

...and now we get to the CP-E mount:

i honestly have nothing bad to say about this mount. the idle feels completely stock. there are no added vibrations. partially engaged 1st gear and riding around in it afterwards feels smooth as butter. mount stiffness is at least as high as the SU mount. i beat the hell out of it on several pulls all the way from stop through 3rd gear. there is no wheel hop, and shifting is smooth as butter.

before this mount, i didn't even notice how much roughness the SU mount had introduced for 1st gear engagement and engaged driving until after i put the CP-E mount in. it's literally a wake-up call...everything became quite noticeably smoother. it was the feeling you get when you've gotten used to a mild ambient white noise in the background and then someone turns it off! i know it sounds stupid, but don't doubt until you have actually tried this mount out. despite the fact that it is, by far, the most expensive mount out there, it is also the best quality DD mount out there: no added vibe and plenty of added stiffness. it's obviously not as good as the delrin TRZ race mount, but that's not what it's in competition with. as far as my experience goes, it completely blows away all mounts aimed at DD upgrades.

ok, now comes the analysis part: why the hell does this 50 durometer mount maintain stock mount comfort and still give so much added stiffness??? sounds too good to be true, doesn't it? well, here's my personal take on the explanation for this:

all things equal, higher durometer = more stiffness + better shifting, which means degraded ride quality. but wait, all things are NOT equal...the rest of the market uses polyurethane bushings. why does this matter? well, here's the deal: durometer is the measure of hardness/resistance to permanent indentation. this is interesting and all, but when an engine is yanked back and forth during hard acceleration, hardness is not necessarily the thing that holds it in place. it's stiffness that matters. stiffness is the resistance of an elastic body to deformation by an applied force, and this is the force that keeps our engines from shifting around as much during hard acceleration. this is also related to elasticity, which is a material's ability to deform under stress but still return to its original shape when the stress is removed. these three properties (durometer/hardness, stiffness, and elasticity) are all related to each other, and given a constant material, raising durometer will likely raise stiffness as well, but all bets are off when you change materials altogether.

this brings us to the point: polyurethane of 50 durometer does NOT have the same stiffness/elasticity as rubber of 50 durometer. rubber is more elastic and has higher stiffness (in the general case...i dunno if there's weird corner cases for this) than polyurethane. this is why the CP-E mount can give us a smoother ride (high elasticity eats up the vibrations in the mount bushing) and still give us good shifting quality (high stiffness of rubber) when compared to the other polyurethane aftermarket mounts. ya, this about convinces me of the superiority of rubber as an engine mount bushing material. basically, the major contribution that CP-E made here was that they built a solidly-constructed stock mount without cut-outs like the OEM mount had...:D simple, elegant, and effective! ;)

please make note: all these thoughts are my own subjective thoughts and analysis. you are more than welcome to point out my mistakes and misunderstandings, but make sure to remember that i am not posting any of this as an attempt to state anything as gospel!

[GhostMercury]

thank you for this. now i must order this cause my inserts are basically back to stock. I really hope this one has no vibes

[Sacrilicious]

thank you for this. now i must order this cause my inserts are basically back to stock. I really hope this one has no vibes

dude, unless it pulls vibes out of nowhere in a month, you're going to LOVE this! ;)

[GhostMercury]

there goes another 140 bucks lol

[Sacrilicious]

ok, i just did my 1-hr morning commute in crappy-ass traffic (AC on) with this new mount, and i can say without doubt that if it doesn't feel like stock, it's definitely way too close to tell. i am thoroughly happy with the way this mount idles (AC on or off), engages into 1st gear, rides in 1st gear, and (of course) helps stiffen shifting. the thing that was always a telltale sign of the SU mount's vibe for me was the fact that my garmin nuvi would vibrate visibly (not much, but enough to tell for sure) in its dash mount when idling. that annoyance is now a thing of the past. i do not get visible vibe under any conditions (outside of hitting potholes, obviously...:D).

unless this mount degrades quickly over time (jury is still out on this, obviously...i'll keep you all posted), it appears to be THE mount to get if you have DD comfort + decent stiffness upgrade in mind. so, unless you have a burning desire for race shifting craziness, i would recommend this mount over any other mount out there without hesitation. it may be the most expensive one, but you definitely get what you pay for. this mount, along with the cobb SRI, are the two mods that i feel the car should have come stock with...they are just THAT important!

[lestat13]

Damn it guys! I just ordered my cs mm inserts! I would have grabbed this if I would have know three days ago! ;) But question, the inserts degrade over time and you're basically back to stock!? That's a rip! How does this happen?

[Sacrilicious]

Damn it guys! I just ordered my cs mm inserts! I would have grabbed this if I would have know three days ago! ;) But question, the inserts degrade over time and you're basically back to stock!? That's a rip! How does this happen?

ya, that's how it felt to me. you may have better luck, but that's how my experience was. the degradation makes sense to me, because you're just filling in an existing hole with a new kind of material. now, your mount is now made out of mostly rubber with an un-bonded half-moon of polyurethane mixed in...whoops...:D

[mordant80]

I'm tellin ya, they're just gettin used to the inserts. Gaurantee if they took the inserts out for a week and put them back in they'd be able to tell again. Think about it, you're filling the air space in the stock mount with material. That material isn't going to go anywhere. The material may soften up a lil. But it's still there filling the air gaps.

[Sacrilicious]

I'm tellin ya, they're just gettin used to the inserts. Gaurantee if they took the inserts out for a week and put them back in they'd be able to tell again. Think about it, you're filling the air space in the stock mount with material. That material isn't going to go anywhere. The material may soften up a lil. But it's still there filling the air gaps.

you're probably right, but the thing that i've noticed about polyurethane bushings is that they have a break-in period where their performance goes down an undetermined amount...pretty darn annoying, imo. when I called up CP-E, they told me that the rubber does not have a break-in period and will not degrade quickly (initially) like poly bushings do. if this holds to be true, i will be completely overjoyed. i'll keep you all in the loop on that, of course.

[fructus]

In my opinion the inserts are not the answer. You're better off doing the epoxy mod than going with inserts. You need a different mount altogether. CP-E sounds good to me, because I don't like the SU mount's vibration at idle with AC on.

[Kurt07]

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/8931/img1755or0.jpg

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/5629/img1757xo7.jpg



I'm in love.

[mordant80]

Don't be bad mouthin my inserts! No but really, I wish I would have done an actually mount replacement for one reason only. It was a bitch to get the mount back in with the inserts. I had to grab a neighbor to help rock the motor forward while I took a mallet and beat the mount into its home. After I got it in I like the results. It's been in for a few months now and the only time I can tell its there is when I start the car, It's gotta a jerk to it. But I mean the inserts do what they're supposed to, less wheel hop and a smoother shift when you're rompin on it. I would never do the epoxy trick. I like having the option of going back completely to stock which you lose with epoxy.

Back on topic with the CP-E mount... I'm not so sure I really like the looks of it. Something about it just screams, "Hey mom! look what I made in shop class with a block of aluminum." Aren't the specs of it softer than just about any of the other mounts or did I misread something? I'f I'm upgrading the entire mount and not being cheap (the reason I have inserts) I'd get the stiffest thing I could without it being solid metal, vibrations be damned.

[Sacrilicious]

Back on topic with the CP-E mount... I'm not so sure I really like the looks of it. Something about it just screams, "Hey mom! look what I made in shop class with a block of aluminum." Aren't the specs of it softer than just about any of the other mounts or did I misread something? I'f I'm upgrading the entire mount and not being cheap (the reason I have inserts) I'd get the stiffest thing I could without it being solid metal, vibrations be damned.

haha...ya, i agree that it's not going to be winning any beauty contests, but i definitely like the fact that it's billet aluminum because it reduces the number of things that can break. as far as i can figure, the most important properties for engine mount effectiveness are NOT actually durometer (hardness), but stiffness (resistance to deformation: keeps the engine from flying all over the place) and elasticity (ability to return to its original shape after being deformed: eats up vibe for breakfast). the thing that allows the CP-E to shine over other mounts is that rubber has higher stiffness and elasticity than equal-durometer polyurethane mounts that other manufacturers use. it's just not an apples-to-apples comparison when you compare a rubber mount vs a polyurethane mount of equal durometer.

[lestat13]

All of my previous cars have had loud exhausts, noisy and rattled, and it's really nice to have quiet and comfort when i want it. To me, this car is the entire package and I don't want it buzzing and vibrating while stopped. This is why I opted for the inserts.... but if the CP-E is virtually without vibes, you can guarantee I will pick one up. Lemme just wait and here the same thing from a few other people first and see how I like my inserts..... ;)

[Sacrilicious]

oh, i'll tell you right now that you will probably be pretty darn happy with the CS inserts. i liked mine a whole hell of a lot until it felt like they weren't helping me as much as they used to. whether that was all just in my head is a whole different story, but the fact remains that i was really happy with my CS inserts for a while...:D

[mordant80]

haha...ya, i agree that it's not going to be winning any beauty contests, but i definitely like the fact that it's billet aluminum because it reduces the number of things that can break. as far as i can figure, the most important properties for engine mount effectiveness are NOT actually durometer (hardness), but stiffness (resistance to deformation: keeps the engine from flying all over the place) and elasticity (ability to return to its original shape after being deformed: eats up vibe for breakfast). the thing that allows the CP-E to shine over other mounts is that rubber has higher stiffness and elasticity than equal-durometer polyurethane mounts that other manufacturers use. it's just not an apples-to-apples comparison when you compare a rubber mount vs a polyurethane mount of equal durometer.

Ah, I see what you're sayin. Looking forward to some more reviews. How much are these goin for btw?

Edit: Ha, I apparently didn't read you're first post completely.

[Sacrilicious]

Ah, I see what you're sayin. Looking forward to some more reviews. How much are these goin for btw?

i got mine straight from CP-E for $140 + $9 shipping. i imagine you could get it for $140 or less from PG or SU when they get them stocked? =d

[mordant80]

Wow, I'm too cheap for all that. Thanks for all the info man, appreciate it.

[Sacrilicious]

Wow, I'm too cheap for all that. Thanks for all the info man, appreciate it.

haha...np, man. ya, it's pretty damn steep for a mount replacement, if you compare it to other competitors like TRZ and AWR. i had a bad taste in my mouth after paying $120 for my SU mount, but i think that got me mentally prepared to drop $150 on this one when it came out...(dunno)

[ResilientMike]

Noob motor mount question: is there a certain torque you put the bolts at when replacing the mount?

[Sacrilicious]

Noob motor mount question: is there a certain torque you put the bolts at when replacing the mount?

naw, that's a very important question...CP-E's directions say 70 ft lbs. i think the official spec is something like 60ft lbs - 80ft lbs...i forget the exact numbers...

[ms3jake]

Damn it guys! I just ordered my cs mm inserts! I would have grabbed this if I would have know three days ago! ;) But question, the inserts degrade over time and you're basically back to stock!? That's a rip! How does this happen?

Im in the same boat as you (hand), when my cs inserts wear out I will get the CPE mm.

[Mid_Life_Crisis]

Don't be bad mouthin my inserts! I would never do the epoxy trick. I like having the option of going back completely to stock which you lose with epoxy.


That's not the only reason the inserts are superior to the epoxy trick. The epoxy trick fills in the gaps, which is a start and for short money is a nice improvement, but the inserts go further. The inserts also make the overall mount thicker and flatten the top and bottom surfaces to reduce the ability of the mount to rock in its pocket. They change the shape from vaguely oval to more like a hockey puck. It isn't just stiffening the assembly, it improves the shape.

[tru-boost]

without trying to flame here.... there is a reason that every other company including those who specialize in mounts and suspension use polyurethane. it is much more durable. stock is rubber, thats why it gets replaced. granted i am not a cp-e fan as all know. i would say the same thing no matter who made it. rubber is prone to dry rot, is not nearly as chemical resitant as poly, and just like tires it gets hard and brittle in the cold, and soft and mushy in the heat.
but if you like it...cool ! i look forward to a future update to see how it holds up.

[08 Max]

So do you think adding the rear motor mount is a necessary thing or a waste of money?

http://www.therpmstore.com/product_info.php?cPath=122&products_id=751

[kneedragger241]

So do you think adding the rear motor mount is a necessary thing or a waste of money?

http://www.therpmstore.com/product_info.php?cPath=122&products_id=751

You know how the front wheels hop and it feels like you're going to break something when you get on it in 1st, 2nd and even 3rd?
Imagine being able to put as much power down as the tires can handle with no hopping.

The motor mount should be the first thing every MS3 owner upgrades.
Worth every penny.

[MS3077]

You know how the front wheels hop and it feels like you're going to break something when you get on it in 1st, 2nd and even 3rd?
Imagine being able to put as much power down as the tires can handle with no hopping.

The motor mount should be the first thing every MS3 owner upgrades.
Worth every penny.

+1

I just rein formed this today.

[tru-boost]

yep a MM is a must. i am very iffy on the cp-e design though.

[wisniaPl]

(iagree) I should change mine earlier but beter late than never

[GhostMercury]

pretty sure im about to order this mount, but does this mount fix the jerking while shifting? My cs inserts wore in and now every shift just sucks. I need something to stiffen up the engine jerking front and back but have the zero vibes. is this the mount, or is it still to soft for that.

[guy_incognito]

Just ordered. Now available at PG for $139 with free shipping.

[GhostMercury]

dammmmmm!!!!!! I just bought it from CPE last night

[Eracer]

Installed mine about a week ago. Works great but I have some noticable vibration at idle with the AC on.

[Sacrilicious]

here's an update for you guys:

1. the mount has broken in a little bit. it feels a little softer now, but still does not allow any wheel hop.

2. there is still no added vibe for idle (AC on or off) and riding/engaging in 1st gear.

what does this all mean to me? well, shifting is not quite as effortless as it was before, but it's still good. the most important thing is that there is no hint of wheel hop, and that's well worth the trouble.


Eracer: it's unfortunate that you're seeing noticeable vibe at idle. i have been running around with my AC on all the time, and i don't notice any added vibe coming through. is it possible that your mount isn't installed exactly right? what side do you have facing down?

[08 Max]

Would you go so far as to say that the race version may be a good choice?

[GhostMercury]

so how long did it take for them to process your order?

[guy_incognito]

Well, PG says they are backordered from CP-E, but perhaps if you ordered from CP-E they are fulfilling those orders before fulfilling orders from an outside vendor.

[Sacrilicious]

Would you go so far as to say that the race version may be a good choice?

i don't want to speculate, but i'll say this: depending on what people say about it, i could definitely see myself buying it...:D

[Sacrilicious]

so how long did it take for them to process your order?

i ordered directly from CP-E. after ordering, i thought about it and decided to call in and see whether it was actually in stock and ready to go. apparently, i had missed the boat for the first 35 orders, but jordan told me that there were a bunch coming in very soon, and i would definitely be on that order. i got my mount a few days later...:D

[stockms3]

I dont want to sound like an a-hole but it sucks that we gotta wait 4 parts lol..........I know i know new car.....

[stockms3]

Just wanted to add THANK YOU for the great review I will order my mount sometime this month...

[Yoo Shin]

Excellent review and discussion here.

Subscribed to see how these last.

[fructus]

Vibration wise the car feels just like stock with the CP-E mount, which in a way makes me nostalgic for the TRZ mount with its rough starts and very race-like feel. I really wish we could have it both ways.

[GhostMercury]

so you guys agree that the mount controls the motor more then the inserts? But it still has no vibes

[DreSEL]

I can say this from personal experience. I've had a ES insert in my Sentra SE for about 7 years and it still feels stiff like when I first installed it. Now, I do not beat that car but I do dump the clutch every now and then. I also had a turbocharged 94 Sentra SE-R with the same inserts in 3 out of 4 mounts. After about 2 years I noticed that there was a little more egine movement than when I first installed them. Checked them out and I found that the tranny mount insert was cracked.

I just installed the inserts in my MS3 and I like the way the car feels, with litlle added vibrations (even though I know the vibes will be a little more noticeable in the winter). Since I don't plan on beating the crap out of my car or doing burn outs (at least not intentionally) the inserts will do for me. But if I was to take off hard at every other traffic light, or even take it to the track often, I would go with a solid mount.

Just my opinion.

[iredremix]

well u just made my choice easier. i was in the cpe shop in maryland and the owner of cpe told me about this mm and i couldn't wait for somebody to do a review. thanks man good job

[meha11]

Vibration wise the car feels just like stock with the CP-E mount, which in a way makes me nostalgic for the TRZ mount with its rough starts and very race-like feel. I really wish we could have it both ways.

dam dude you must like it rough ;), my dash shakes like a shitting dog with the awr, i cant stand it, i have been thinking about the cpe mm and now there is no doubt.

[mike8748]

I know I am reopening an old post but this is for the new guys buying SPEEDs or have yet to get an engine mount.
I initially had the CorkSport inserts because of cost and it just made sense to me that filling the gap would improve wheel hop.
Well it worked.... but and there is a but :-)
I have started to experience wheel hop again badly after a few months of using the CS inserts.
My advice is to save your money and do it right the first time.
Get you a good mount.

I read the reviews and for me it was between the S t r e e t U n i t mount and the T R Z dogbone.

I chose the T R Z dogbone, both had great reviews and I talked to friends that had both. Its just personal preference and the T R Z dogbone was a little less expensive...

So good luck to you and you will enjoy your new mount...


Out!

[mr_mazda329]

I know I am reopening an old post but this is for the new guys buying SPEEDs or have yet to get an engine mount.
I initially had the CorkSport inserts because of cost and it just made sense to me that filling the gap would improve wheel hop.
Well it worked.... but and there is a but :-)
I have started to experience wheel hop again badly after a few months of using the CS inserts.
My advice is to save your money and do it right the first time.
Get you a good mount.
Out!

Funny you mention this...I installed mine this past September and it feels just as good as when I first installed it.

[PCspeed3]

I dont understand how the CS inserts can wear out, they are hard plastic. Im not saying they dont, because I have them and have noticed less vibes and sloppier shift feel over the few months I have had them.....But how does the effectiveness wear off?

[mr_mazda329]

I dont understand how the CS inserts can wear out, they are hard plastic. Im not saying they dont, because I have them and have noticed less vibes and sloppier shift feel over the few months I have had them.....But how does the effectiveness wear off?

Any wear Item will wear out. Anything that is constanly under stress will eventually breakdown. Just like metal will eventually fatigue after stress.

[PCspeed3]

this is true, i didnt expect it to fade back to almost stock feel over time with the hard plastic inserts. I may end up just ordering a CPE mount when the extra money come up, did they finally get these figured out and in stock?

[duckduck]

Anyone have reviews of the new CPE motor mounts (60 and 75 durometer)? I believe they stopped the 50 durometer mounts due to the troubles they were having with the rubber.

[Larimer]

I've got the 60. It vibes a tiny bit more than stock, but breaks in after a couple days. Feel rock solid and shifts are a lot better. Engine noise went up a little also. I don't even notice the vibes anymore after a couple weeks, but I do have a couple rattles to track down to make the car feel and sound stock again.

[Abilor]

I couldn't handle NOT having the vibes from my TRZ. SOOOO good... Between that and my 12" sub, my car is a vibrating chair rollercoaster now.

[CnoTataymo]

Yeah, I just recently changed my CS inserts last Friday night to the TRZ dogbone mount. I too felt that the inserts after 8 months of having them in felt almost close to stock. I could feel the engine move. Even on our dyno day back in October, I noticed how much the engine moved with them in and when another guy with more power/torque with the TRZ dyno'd, his barely moved.

[Boostin McFly]

This might be a noob question but I plan on installing my CP-E motor mount this weekend and I was wondering if there was any danger of anything falling down on top of me once I remove the stock motor mount? Also, I just got the new batch they made with the 60 duro with the black instead of blue material and neither side is contoured out like some of the older ones. I'm guessing it doesn't matter which way I put it in then? Thanks for the help.

[Sport6]

This might be a noob question but I plan on installing my CP-E motor mount this weekend and I was wondering if there was any danger of anything falling down on top of me once I remove the stock motor mount? Also, I just got the new batch they made with the 60 duro with the black instead of blue material and neither side is contoured out like some of the older ones. I'm guessing it doesn't matter which way I put it in then? Thanks for the help.

The rear mount is not weight bearing so nothing needs to be supported when installing the mount. So the only thing that will fall on you is dirt.

The install can be done on those rhino ramps in about 15-20minutes. Just either have a buddy or be prepared to wrestle with the tranny to get the mount in/out. As far as which side is up on the cp-e I will have to let someone else answer since I had a different brand (But i would say it doesn't matter.)

[Boostin McFly]

Put it in today...it's like day and night compared to the stock mount...damn I love flooring it in 1st - 3rd without any wheelhop!

[derspi]

^^

I'm about to install my CPE MM as well (have the 60-duro one), probably in a couple of weeks. Did you notice much more vibration &/or noise compared to stock?

[Boostin McFly]

I have the 60 duro as well and so far there is no noise but just a very slight vibration when idle with the A/C on...hardly noticeable though...the entire car just feels so much more solid with it in...

[mz32quick]

I'm guessing it doesn't matter which way I put it in then? Thanks for the help.

The CP-e logo should be facing down towards the ground.

[Spank]

I am new, where do you get CP-e MM ?

[Kain]

Installed my 75 duro yesterday, took it out for a spin. I'm really liking how CP-E made this mount so stiff and yet it doesn't transfer as much NVH into the cabin as I expected. We'll see how things are long term.


I am new, where do you get CP-e MM ?

Last I checked, they are on back order.

[steven88]

Installed my 75 duro yesterday, took it out for a spin. I'm really liking how CP-E made this mount so stiff and yet it doesn't transfer as much NVH into the cabin as I expected. We'll see how things are long term.



Last I checked, they are on back order.

agreed...I thought the 75 duro would be too harsh for daily....but when I put it on..DAMN! I still think its too SOFT...LOL, thats how smooth it is

and let me tell you, the shifting has improved greatly...that means my engine is staying still...so you know its doing its job correctly!

[derspi]

I am new, where do you get CP-e MM ?

I got mine from Protege Garage but I know SU also carries it as well. CPE has had some problems keeping a steady supply of them to the vendors though so they haven't exactly been that easy to get your hands on one. There were also originally some issues with the initial design which further delayed availability.

I THINK I have the 60-duro (it's got a black rubber insert as opposed to the original blue one) and like everyone else has said, this mount is solid without being overly harsh. I think it's as close to stock in NVH you're going to get with an aftermarket rear motor mount for this car. Along with my other tranny mods, shifting is so much better than stock and it's fairly obvious the engine isn't moving around much at all. There is some initial vibration when taking off from 1st and once in a while when the compressor kicks in, there are some additional vibrations in the steering wheel but it's quite mild and definitely worth it considering how much it has improved the shifting.

Mind you I haven't tried any of the other aftermarket MMs on the market but I seriously doubt any of them will suit my goal of improvement with little to no sacrifice to NVH/daily driver friendliness. It's a solid 8/10 in my books. Get one if you can, it's worth every penny.

[Kain]

I THINK I have the 60-duro (it's got a black rubber insert as opposed to the original blue one)
All revised CP-E mounts have the black bushing, regardless of duro. The only way to tell if you have the 60 is if there's a white dot on the bushing. If not, you have the 75.

[derspi]

^^

Thanks for the clarification - mine does have the white dot on it. I was fairly certain I had the 60-duro as I got it back in Dec. when (I think) the 75-duro wasn't even offered yet.

How are your initial impressions thus far? Seeing that you have the 75-duro which is just a tad stiffer than mine, similar impressions in terms of NVH as me or are the vibrations a bit more pronounced? Any comparisons to other mounts that you have tried (if any)?

[dizzin9]

CP-E FTW! quality product.

[ResilientMike]

Just ordered mine a few moments ago and hope to agree with everyone's comments thus far. PG.com didnt have an option for which type I wanted to get (60 or 75 seem to not be so bad vibration wise).

[Kain]

How are your initial impressions thus far? Seeing that you have the 75-duro which is just a tad stiffer than mine, similar impressions in terms of NVH as me or are the vibrations a bit more pronounced? Any comparisons to other mounts that you have tried (if any)?

Love it. I rarely drive my car so I doubt it's broken in yet, but the added vibes are just enough to make the car feel more visceral without compromising comfort. The other day I was stuck in bumper-to-bumper traffic with the A/C cranked high and it's definitely still liveable. Shifting is much more predictable because I don't have to take engine rocking into consideration. The engine just simply does not move even when I row through the gears like a monkey on speed churning butter.