Mazda5 Tires: Issues & Replacement Recommendations

[MD5]

I bought some General Exclaim 215/50/17s from www.tires-easy.com and had them installed today.

I figured I'd post some pics to show fitment just in case someone else was wanting to go with this size.

IMHO, this is the size that should have come on the car. I forgot to look at the tach to compare before/after rpms at 70mph, but I think they should be pretty close. The tire is about 1cm taller diameter than the stock one.

Back to the online tire purchase. I ordered these and recieved them in 6 days. Discount Tire wanted $598 installed, but by buying them online, I saved $146. The tires shipped to my door was $383, and it cost me $69 at Discount Tire to have them mounted and balanced (this was after a screw up on their part, it was originally $92 to have them mounted/balanced, but he gave me $23 back).

Anyway, here are some pics of the install:

Matt

[MD5]

Two more pics:

[MD5]

At 75mph, the rpms used to hang at 3,600. Now they are at 3,500 even.


Not much of a difference, but there is one.

[mazdadude]

I like it! Looks good!

This is what I was planning to do once my stock tires wear out.

What tire pressure are you trying? I know stock is 34psi.

Do you notice any difference in the ride/handling?

Keep Zooming!

[MD5]

I haven't checked pressure yet. I'll probably do it tomorrow. I think max is 40, I'll probably run 35 and check it to see if I need to adjust it.


I don't know if the handling is not as precise, or it's a figment of my imagination, but it seems not as tight. The ride is smoother though.

I'll have to give it a few days to make an educated opinion.

Matt

[mountjonas]

nice. i always thought that the 205/50's looked a bit small. it looks like i'll be upsizing ours when the time comes.

[afticarab]

Check out this site it allows you to compare tire sizes and their affect on speedo readings.
http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

[MD5]

Check out this site it allows you to compare tire sizes and their affect on speedo readings.
http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

I saw that calc posted in another thread, but there's nothing like checking real world numbers.

That shows that my speedo should be slow just a tad, but not enough to get me into any trouble.

Matt

[coolmazda5]

The MZ5 looks nice. Being silly here, but there is no scrapping when the MZ5 is fully loaded, right?

Thanks for sharing the photos!

[monsta]

Matt,

Lotsa siping. Are they louder than stock tires?

Is that your house in the background? Who put those wooden shutters up??

[MD5]

The MZ5 looks nice. Being silly here, but there is no scrapping when the MZ5 is fully loaded, right?

Thanks for sharing the photos!


The most "loaded" I've had it is me, the wife, 2 kids (about 95 lbs each) and a bag of hockey gear. I don't think I'm anywhere close to scraping.

[MD5]

Matt,

Lotsa siping. Are they louder than stock tires?

Is that your house in the background? Who put those wooden shutters up??


Not any louder that the stock Toyos. Actually that's the house across the street. My house faces west, and it's easier to take pics with the sun behind me.

The shutters were put up when the house was built. My neighborhood has First Texas, Legacy, and some other builder that I can't remember. My house is a Legacy, and I would reccommend staying away from them.

[coolmazda5]

The most "loaded" I've had it is me, the wife, 2 kids (about 95 lbs each) and a bag of hockey gear. I don't think I'm anywhere close to scraping.

Sounds reasonable. I'll keep the details for the next tire swap. The OEM ones (tires and install) seems to be very pricy

Thanks!

(drive)

[ChadSpeed]

I bought some General Exclaim 215/50/17s from www.tires-easy.com and had them installed today.

I figured I'd post some pics to show fitment just in case someone else was wanting to go with this size.

IMHO, this is the size that should have come on the car. I forgot to look at the tach to compare before/after rpms at 70mph, but I think they should be pretty close. The tire is about 1cm taller diameter than the stock one.

Back to the online tire purchase. I ordered these and recieved them in 6 days. Discount Tire wanted $598 installed, but by buying them online, I saved $146. The tires shipped to my door was $383, and it cost me $69 at Discount Tire to have them mounted and balanced (this was after a screw up on their part, it was originally $92 to have them mounted/balanced, but he gave me $23 back).

Anyway, here are some pics of the install:

Matt

Whenever you go with a wider tire, you should also go with a lower aspect ratio to keep your sidewall and total tire circumference the same. You mph will read slower than your actually traveling now, and mileage will be less than actually traveled. If you went with 215/45/17 you would have been very close to the stock tire circumference. I checked TireRack and they have a lot of Ultra High Performance All season tires available in this size for our 5's. I really loved the Kumho Ecsta ASX on our Maxima. Great year round ultra high performance tire, under $100 per tire. I didn't see you specific tire on tire rack but I imagine, with its name, its only a touring tire, and not performance oriented. Should provide you with a good ride, but not the same level of performance as the Toyos.

[MD5]

Whenever you go with a wider tire, you should also go with a lower aspect ratio to keep your sidewall and total tire circumference the same. You mph will read slower than your actually traveling now, and mileage will be less than actually traveled. If you went with 215/45/17 you would have been very close to the stock tire circumference. I checked TireRack and they have a lot of Ultra High Performance All season tires available in this size for our 5's. I really loved the Kumho Ecsta ASX on our Maxima. Great year round ultra high performance tire, under $100 per tire. I didn't see you specific tire on tire rack but I imagine, with its name, its only a touring tire, and not performance oriented. Should provide you with a good ride, but not the same level of performance as the Toyos.


Here's what I found:

205/50 215/50 215/45
Sidewall 4.0 4.2 3.8
Radius 12.5 12.7 12.3
Diameter 25.1 25.5 24.6
Circumfrence 78.8 80.0 77.3
Revs/Mile 804 792 819
Speedo at 60mph 60 60.9 58.9

So, the 215/45 is a tad smaller than stock, and I'd rather be a tad larger than smaller.

I'm happy with the size, I get fewer revs per mile, I'm down 100 rpm at 75mph, and I have a little more sidewall which means a softer ride.

Matt

[07MZ5SA]

At 75mph, the rpms used to hang at 3,600. Now they are at 3,500 even.


Not much of a difference, but there is one.

Did you use GPS for speed calculation?

[$chocker]

No doubt you are running fewer RPM for a given actual speed, but your speedometer and tachometer readings will not reflect this change; the speedometer reading is taken directly from the output shaft RPM, which is fixed in relation to engine speed for a given gear. Changing tires will not change the relative readings of your speedo and tach.

The change you've made will manifest itself in a somewhat lower speedo reading. Watch out for those troopers!

Happy Motoring!

[MD5]

Did you use GPS for speed calculation?


No, but I'll use a Stalker II Radar later this week to confirm the speedo.

[MD5]

No doubt you are running fewer RPM for a given actual speed, but your speedometer and tachometer readings will not reflect this change; the speedometer reading is taken directly from the output shaft RPM, which is fixed in relation to engine speed for a given gear. Changing tires will not change the relative readings of your speedo and tach.

The change you've made will manifest itself in a somewhat lower speedo reading. Watch out for those troopers!

Happy Motoring!

Hmmmm.... I wonder why my Tach/Speedo are out of synch then. I was turning 3,600 RPM at 75mph before the tire change, and now it sets right on 3,500 rpm at 75 mph.

LEOs around here aren't concerned about the 1-2mph difference. If you are doing 9+ over, then you might attract attention. 15-20 over and you'll definately be asked for your autograph.

[MD5]

No doubt you are running fewer RPM for a given actual speed, but your speedometer and tachometer readings will not reflect this change; the speedometer reading is taken directly from the output shaft RPM, which is fixed in relation to engine speed for a given gear. Changing tires will not change the relative readings of your speedo and tach.

The change you've made will manifest itself in a somewhat lower speedo reading. Watch out for those troopers!

Happy Motoring!

OK, I just checked my speedo on the way home.

Indicated speed 70 - Radar hunts between 69/70, but spends more time at 69
Indicated speed 75 - Radar hunts between 74/75, but spends more time at 74
Indicated speed 80 - Radar hunts bewteen 79/80, but spends more time at 79

That's close enough for government work. I don't think you can get much closer than that to true speed. I just wished I'd checked the speedo before the tire swap.

By the way, I also checked 30, 40, and 50 mph all with the exact same results. The radar was from one mph slower to exactly the speed indicated.

[ChadSpeed]

OK, I just checked my speedo on the way home.

Indicated speed 70 - Radar hunts between 69/70, but spends more time at 69
Indicated speed 75 - Radar hunts between 74/75, but spends more time at 74
Indicated speed 80 - Radar hunts bewteen 79/80, but spends more time at 79

That's close enough for government work. I don't think you can get much closer than that to true speed. I just wished I'd checked the speedo before the tire swap.

By the way, I also checked 30, 40, and 50 mph all with the exact same results. The radar was from one mph slower to exactly the speed indicated.


Good to know, now I won't go with that 45 series tire when I replace. Thanks for the great feedback and info.

[MD5]

Good to know, now I won't go with that 45 series tire when I replace. Thanks for the great feedback and info.


No prob. It helps having a radar at your disposal!(burnout)

[07MZ5SA]

OK, I just checked my speedo on the way home.

Indicated speed 70 - Radar hunts between 69/70, but spends more time at 69
Indicated speed 75 - Radar hunts between 74/75, but spends more time at 74
Indicated speed 80 - Radar hunts bewteen 79/80, but spends more time at 79

That's close enough for government work. I don't think you can get much closer than that to true speed. I just wished I'd checked the speedo before the tire swap.

By the way, I also checked 30, 40, and 50 mph all with the exact same results. The radar was from one mph slower to exactly the speed indicated.

So for the next set of tires, I should choose 205/60-16 (25.6-25.8" OAD) for best speedo accuracy.

[AIMWO4]

I traded my Saab wheels for some AR rims and had them mount my tires to them. They are Yokohama 520's. My GPS Nav indicates they are more accurate than the 205-50s that came on the SuperMini!

[MD5]

So for the next set of tires, I should choose 205/60-16 (25.6-25.8" OAD) for best speedo accuracy.

That looks to be pretty darn close.

[07MZ5SA]

I traded my Saab wheels for some AR rims and had them mount my tires to them. They are Yokohama 520's. My GPS Nav indicates they are more accurate than the 205-50s that came on the SuperMini!

What size?

[AIMWO4]

They are 17's. The tires are 225-45/17's. One of these days I'll have decent weather on a weekend and take some pics.

[boytoys]

Do you still have the original Toyos ? are they still in good to excellent condition ?

[Mntnbkr]

Boytoys- would you be interested in a set - I have just over 5,000 on mine, mostly miles put on by my wife and NO curb shots, so in excellent condition - no repairs an no exceptional wear. I am considering changing to a different size - would you want to buy the Toyos if I did and if so name a price you think to be fair.

[CaliMero]

I want to replace the original Toyo on my Mazda5 GT(205/50/17) with something bigger like 215/50/17 or 225/45/17 and I'm wondering if someone knows if they gonna fit or if they gonna rub the body at maximum steer. Thanks in advance!

[MD5]

Do you still have the original Toyos ? are they still in good to excellent condition ?

After 24k miles of ZoomZoom fun, the tires were at the wear bars.

[MD5]

I want to replace the original Toyo on my Mazda5 GT(205/50/17) with something bigger like 215/50/17 or 225/45/17 and I'm wondering if someone knows if they gonna fit or if they gonna rub the body at maximum steer. Thanks in advance!

My 215/50/17s dont' rub at all and the RPMs are down just a tad. The next set I buy will be the same size.

[CaliMero]

My 215/50/17s dont' rub at all and the RPMs are down just a tad. The next set I buy will be the same size.

Thanks MD5... it helps a lot
Did anyone here install 225/45/17 ? (help)

[hagow_boy]

I am planning to install 225/45/17's but was told by Mazda that 225's won't fit on the factory rims. Need to buy new rims if you want to have 225's on.

[MD5]

Thanks MD5... it helps a lot
Did anyone here install 225/45/17 ? (help)

Most sites I looked at recommended a 7.0-8.0" rim width. I think ours are 6.5"

Matt

[eilros25]

I really like the look of the 215/50/17s. I just test drove a Touring earlier this week and the stock tires look too small for the vehicle. It's amazing what difference the tire size will make.

I wish Yokohama sold their AVID TRZ in that size. I put them on my Vibe (205/55/16) and love 'em. They're very quiet and handle well in rain and snow.

[MD5]

I really like the look of the 215/50/17s. I just test drove a Touring earlier this week and the stock tires look too small for the vehicle. It's amazing what difference the tire size will make.

I wish Yokohama sold their AVID TRZ in that size. I put them on my Vibe (205/55/16) and love 'em. They're very quiet and handle well in rain and snow.


I've got over 10k miles on the Generals now. I've been very happy. We've had a TON of rain this year and they handle water great. I've driven at speeds of 75 mph in fairly heavy rain and never once hydroplaned. Now I did get loose driving through a deep puddle that didn't look deep when I approached at 40 mph.(hand)

[olddaddy]

I've got over 10k miles on the Generals now. I've been very happy. We've had a TON of rain this year and they handle water great. I've driven at speeds of 75 mph in fairly heavy rain and never once hydroplaned. Now I did get loose driving through a deep puddle that didn't look deep when I approached at 40 mph.(hand)


Good to know but us northerners need to know about snow also.

[07MZ5SA]

The closest tires to Yokohama TRZ is YK520 which is available in 205 or 215/50-17.

[Rocket]

I put the General Exclaim on my car after 44,000 miles on the Toyos. I went with the original size though I did strongly consider the 215's. My only complaint is that they seem a bit noisy to me. They handle fine, and, as pointed out above, are much better in the rain. It has not snowed here in 15 years so that is not a worry...

I have noticed that they seem to be very pressure sensitive. I am running them at 37 psi for now. I can feel a 2 pound drop in pressure in the steering. So I have to check them frequently.

[AIMWO4]

I did... but different rims.

Thanks MD5... it helps a lot
Did anyone here install 225/45/17 ? (help)

[was98strat]

Two more pics:

Those don't look Like General Exclaims to me. I was just in on Saturday looking at some and the tread pattern on the Exclaim is VERY different from what you show. Here's the tread on the General Exclaim.

http://www.canadiantire.ca/include/products/inc_product_zoom_display.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=8 45524443303220&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=1408474396672504&bmUID=1206965589836

here's your tread pattern

http://www.mazdav.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=102449

[jeebusm3]

something that hasn't been said in this thread, though it is somewhat implied...

Putting a taller tire on your car effectively lowers the final drive ratio. Most of the effects of that were discussed here, but it should also be noted that your car will accelerate slower. Not by much, mind you.

[coolmazda5]

Those don't look Like General Exclaims to me. I was just in on Saturday looking at some and the tread pattern on the Exclaim is VERY different from what you show. Here's the tread on the General Exclaim.

http://www.canadiantire.ca/include/products/inc_product_zoom_display.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=8 45524443303220&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=1408474396672504&bmUID=1206965589836

here's your tread pattern

http://www.mazdav.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=102449

I cannot see the Canadian Tire one as I don't have a Canadian Postal code, but Could it be the General Exclaim has different models/patterns (i.e. like Michelin or Toyo)? Never bought from them but the earlier attached pic states "General Exclaim" on the tire's profile:
http://www.mazdav.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=102446

[vw mofo]

I also went with a 215/50/17 and haven't looked back. The stock "tires" were replaced at 7000 miles due to them being unsafe in just about every driving condition I can think of. I opted for a the Goodyear Triple Tread. They look & perform fantasticly well.

Mazda should be ashamed of themselves for installing those sorry excuse pieces of CRAP that Toyo attempts to call tires on these cars. Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever run across a Toyo tire that was worth a damn anyways.

[jeebusm3]

I also went with a 215/50/17 and haven't looked back. The stock "tires" were replaced at 7000 miles due to them being unsafe in just about every driving condition I can think of. I opted for a the Goodyear Triple Tread. They look & perform fantasticly well.

Mazda should be ashamed of themselves for installing those sorry excuse pieces of CRAP that Toyo attempts to call tires on these cars. Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever run across a Toyo tire that was worth a damn anyways.

a) OE tires from almost every make are garbage. Look on almost any car forum, you will see people bitching about OE tires. There are exceptions to this, but I'm just saying....

b) Toyo T1-s or T1-r would change your mind about toyo.

[mrbwa1]

a) OE tires from almost every make are garbage. Look on almost any car forum, you will see people bitching about OE tires. There are exceptions to this, but I'm just saying....

b) Toyo T1-s or T1-r would change your mind about toyo.

Well said jeesbum. I think the OEM tire market is just a billboard for tire manufacturers/sell point. My '01 Toyota ECHO cam with Brigestone POS tires, but I know that Brigestone make some good stuff. Heck, my Wal-Mart Uniroyal replacement tires were better than the Brigestones. I mean look at Firestone with those Ford tires yeas back that fell apart... It's just one of those things where a car has to have tires and the manufacturers buy from the lowest bidder.

I'm not sure I have even seen a car with great OEM tires, other than some high end sport models, where they can be sold as part of a package.

[jeebusm3]

Well said jeesbum. I think the OEM tire market is just a billboard for tire manufacturers/sell point. My '01 Toyota ECHO cam with Brigestone POS tires, but I know that Brigestone make some good stuff. Heck, my Wal-Mart Uniroyal replacement tires were better than the Brigestones. I mean look at Firestone with those Ford tires yeas back that fell apart... It's just one of those things where a car has to have tires and the manufacturers buy from the lowest bidder.

I'm not sure I have even seen a car with great OEM tires, other than some high end sport models, where they can be sold as part of a package.

Yeah, it sucks because you look at the tire and go, "oooh that's a nice Michelin, Brigestone, dunlop.." then you realize they totally suck and laugh at the $180/each replacement cost.

All my Bimmers came with excellent, Z-rated, rubber. Though I tend to replace those with cheaper alternatives since the stockers cost a fortune and last 15-20k miles.

Lots of newer cars get LRR tires, that sacrifice every positive aspect of driving for an extra 1-2MPG.

[vw mofo]

I have a set of T1-S's on my Volkswagen and lets just suffice it to say that I will never own another set of Toyo tires as long as I live. Everyone told me to buy those tires... "They're great Keith... You'll love them..." Couldn't possibly be more wrong. They perform *marginally* better than the stockers that came with my 5. Wet traction is abysmal, they break loose WAY too easily, and cause my car to wheel hop like it's no ones business. It's not like my car is a rocket or anything either. Hell, my soft as hell snow tires handle dry and wet conditions better than these T1-S's I have. One of my friends said it best about Toyo. "They're three season tires. As long as all three seasons are bone dry with no humidity, and hotter than hell".

On a side note unrelated to tires... Where the heck are the quote message, reply to this message, and edit message buttons? All I can do to post on this board is the quick reply box... ***Edit.. Nevermind... The server that hosts all the "static" images here is of course blocked by our firewall here...

[MD5]

Just wondering if anyone has 215/55/17s. I'm tired of buying new tires becuase of impact bubbles with low profile tires.

Thanks,

Matt

[jeebusm3]

the diameter of that wheel/tire combo is a full 1.2 inches greater than stock. Even if it could fit, do you really want your speedo off 5% and the decreased acceleration caused by lowering your final drive that much, on a car that already lacks in the power dept?

[MD5]

The tire caluclator shows 1.9" taller than stock. I'm already at 215/50/17's and my speedo shows 1mph slower than I'm really going. At indicated 60mph, I'm going 59mph, so I really don't think a couple of mph would make that much of a difference.

Also, I really don't think I'll notice the lack of accelleration, especially since I'm not going to the track and worried about my 60' times.

But, at highway speed I should be turning a few less RPMs, as when I went to the 215's, my 70mph RPMs slowed by 100.

[rweatherford]

Considering according to the scanguage I only use about 60 HP max when accelerating (briskly, usually it's only about 40 HP) I don't think I would notice a taller final drive either. The only time the car downshifts is when the cruise control freaks out. Consider I also drive the car loaded with people all the time.

[jeebusm3]

The tire caluclator shows 1.9" taller than stock. I'm already at 215/50/17's and my speedo shows 1mph slower than I'm really going. At indicated 60mph, I'm going 59mph, so I really don't think a couple of mph would make that much of a difference.

Also, I really don't think I'll notice the lack of accelleration, especially since I'm not going to the track and worried about my 60' times.

But, at highway speed I should be turning a few less RPMs, as when I went to the 215's, my 70mph RPMs slowed by 100.

the tire calc I have shows 1.2" from 205/50/17 to 215/55/17. What are you using to get 1.9"

If you aren't concerned about the slight speedo change, don't mind the slight accel decrease, and not worried about a little more sidewall flex contributing to "slightly" less sharp turn-in, then go for it.

It's like when I threw 31s on my old Pathfinder. I didn't give a rats ass what it did, other than the benefit it gave me off-road.

[MD5]

the tire calc I have shows 1.2" from 205/50/17 to 215/55/17. What are you using to get 1.9"



http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3019431&postcount=7

[jeebusm3]

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3019431&postcount=7

that's the one I'm using, been using it forever.

I still don't see how you got that number. 205/50/17 (stock) diameter is 25.1 inches. 215/55/17 is 26.3 inches.

That's 1.2 inches.

[MD5]

that's the one I'm using, been using it forever.

I still don't see how you got that number. 205/50/17 (stock) diameter is 25.1 inches. 215/55/17 is 26.3 inches.

That's 1.2 inches.

That is correct, but however after playing around with the numbers, I must have input 205/45/17 as stock instead of the 205/50/17.

[jeebusm3]

tharrrr we go

[fam]

MD5,
Your tires still holding up well, like them? How long are they supposed to last?

I need tires so im curious.

I want a 60k mile tire if its not too much more expensive for a 30-40k.

Thanks,

[MD5]

MD5,
Your tires still holding up well, like them? How long are they supposed to last?

I need tires so im curious.

I want a 60k mile tire if its not too much more expensive for a 30-40k.

Thanks,

It's hard to say since I've had to replace 3 of them due to impact bubbles. The only tire that I have left has about 33k miles on it and it needs to be replaced soon.

I'm currently looking at the Michelin Primacy MXV4 or the Yokohama YK520, both are listed as a 60k mile tire.

[fam]

Thanks for the heads up I was looking at 60k tires and even an 80k tire.

Looks like roughly 130-150 each. Im pact bubbles...argh... I popped a tire on my mazda3 HB on a pothole and even managed to bend the rim. it really makes you think twice about those tiny little tires. My mustang tires were 89 bucks a piece and you couldnt hit a pothole big enough to make an impact bubble, sure it handled like crap but... im just starting to hate the overpriced low profile tires.

[Dyx]

Thanks for the heads up I was looking at 60k tires and even an 80k tire.

Looks like roughly 130-150 each. Im pact bubbles...argh... I popped a tire on my mazda3 HB on a pothole and even managed to bend the rim. it really makes you think twice about those tiny little tires. My mustang tires were 89 bucks a piece and you couldnt hit a pothole big enough to make an impact bubble, sure it handled like crap but... im just starting to hate the overpriced low profile tires.

That's precisely why I decided on the 07GS here in Canada with it's 16" wheels and forgo some features. It doesn't really look bad, the handling may not be as sharp as with the 17" wheels but I think the ride is more comfortable. Although the tires are not as cheap as I thought they would be compared to the 17".(yupnope) But it sure looks really nice after I changed back to the alloys from the winter tires with steelies! (headbang)

[Mntnbkr]

Let me throw out another option - Yokohama AVID V4S.
I still have the OEM Toyo Crappies on our 5, so I cannot say how they would perform in a lower profile version on the 5, but I have had these on my 2001 Jetta since those OEM GoodYear Eagle Junks wore out/got unsafe, and I have been VERY happy with the Yokohama Avids. They are not loud, have a smooth ride, are great in the rain, ok in the snow, and are very predictable performers (you know how far you can push them). When my Toyo Crappies wear out/before next winter, I plan to replace them with the Yokohamas. You can often find a good deal in the states at Mr. Tire (buy 3 get one free) - just watch that they don't gouge or chip your rims with their tools or balance weights.
Dave

[fam]

No Mr. Tire's here in toledo ohio :-(

[Mntnbkr]

I would find and try another Yokohama dealer local to you - OR, order to your shop from Tire Rack and have them install. As I understand, most tire shops and garages will install Tire Rack tires for a nominal $10-20 or so per tire.
By the way - nice 5. Cardinal Red? We just got our tinted this week - SWEET!

[fam]

Yeah its the cardianl red, I have a black one too. I called my wife when the 1st shipment of 5's came in to Michigan at the dealer, they had the dark gray one and this red one, so I asked the wife and she told me to get the red one so I did . My nickname for it has always been "pinktank". However my almost 3yr old is quick to remind me "Its red daddy". So...booya perfecto (who once thought it was pink too)

[coolmazda5]

^^ fam, you are referring to your pink Mazda5, right? LOL

Just giving you a hard time, Friday at last :D. But in all truth it's been almost 3 years since I bought my 06 Mazda5, and never seen a Cardinal Red in person...

OK OK, keeping on topic

(outie)

[monsta]

All 4 of my tires need replacement on my 07 due to excessive cupping on the inside edge. I just turned 15K!! I've rotated them 3 times but it doesn't seem to help. My 06 has the same problem.

Of course the dealer claims that I'm the only one. Am I?

[monsta]

Duplicate post!? That's odd...

[bulwnkl]

No, you're not the only one. For a while I thought I was the only one who didn't have the issue, but then it showed up for me as well ('06). There are a few threads about this. I think they're down in the suspension sub-forum.

[mrguy19]

No, you're not the only one. For a while I thought I was the only one who didn't have the issue, but then it showed up for me as well ('06). There are a few threads about this. I think they're down in the suspension sub-forum.

WELL I THINKS THIS A LOAD OF BS!!!!

HOW LONG CAN MAZDA INGNORE THIS, WE ALL KNOW THE TECHS LOOK AT THESE FORUMS FOR CUSTOMER FEED BACK AND POINTERS!!!!

ITS OBVIOUS ITS MAZDA AND THERE IS A DESIGN FLAW RESULTING IN TIRE ISSUES.....BUT OF COURSE THEY DONT WANT TO ADMIT THERE IS...BECUASE IF THEY DO...IT WILL BE ALOT OF $$$,$$$,$$$.......(nailbyt)

THere needs to be an CLASS ACTION LAW SUIT!!!! (nuts)

But i still loove my '5"

[mrguy19]

3 WORDS:

CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT!!!!!

That would get there attention!

[nvanvlymen]

I totally agree, but I remember reading back in the day when I got my 06' m5, alot of people where complaining about the rubber that the dealers were putting on. Most people i know that got 5's changed their tires. I dont know what the condition of their tires are now, but all i know is that mine are bald... after 35,000km.

[Rocket]

I got over 40,000 miles out of my stock tires. I check the pressure weekly, and I rotate every 5,000 miles...

[slvrsleeper]

^^^ Oh drop it all ready, we get the point. I have a set of Nexen N3000 on mine sized 215/50 and have been very very pleased with them so far. After about 6,500 miles they are worlds quieter than the Toyos, which was my principle complaint about them. Nexen is a Korean arm of Michelin, from what I have gathered lurking on the internet.

[bulwnkl]

You guys really should go looking in the other sub-forum. I recall reading at least one poster there who has an alignment that seems to be working for them, though the Zoom-Zoom factor has been significantly compromised in order to get better tire wear.

[monsta]

I think that was me. I had the negative camber removed from the rear with aftermarket adjusting "rods". The dealer did it but I still don't have the paperwork on it.

FWIW, I don't think this is a tire brand issue. My 06 has stock tires but my 07 has Pirelli PZero Nero is 215/45-18 installed by the dealer. Both cars have the same inside wear issue.

It's not a safety thing. It's a quality & noise problem. My tires are LOUD and in need of replacement. I ordered some Kumho's last night from Tirerack. Guess we'll see over time if what the dealer did helps with tire wear. Certainly didn't help with spirited, mountain road driving.

[bulwnkl]

You know, I think it was you, monsta!

I agree with you that this is not a tire brand issue. I was afraid your alignment changes would mess with the Zoom-Zoom quotient. :(

I hope it clears the wear issue, though!

[dfskinner]

39,000 miles and still have almost 1/2 tread on the tires...... 205/50 ZR17's....... little roar at lower speeds, but I think that's the type tire ...... I think it has a lot to do with the type driver you are....... I like zipping around, but I'm not drifting my rear end (I know the tire want last doing that)...... I've had the alignment checked a couple of times (20,000, 30,000 miles), shop said it was within specs and he wouldn't recommend changing anything........ I'll let you guys know how their doing..........

One quick question, does anyone know when I'm ready to change my tires, how much can I vary the size? I'm thinking of putting a little more tire between me and the road..... I'm thinking of something in the 225 range, anyone moved from 205 to 225?

Thanks,
dfskinner

[mrguy19]

Nope buddy you aint the only one....its like Mazda evil stepchild.....they dont want to admit to it.

[doctorz]

for what it's worth, we're about to replace the original Toyo Proxes at 29K. They're just now approaching to the wear bars but they're sliding in a moderate rain and we don't feel safe driving on them any longer. The thing that surprised me was that the treadwear warranty on a couple of competitors I looked at was around 30K, I can't remember if it was the Goodyear Eagle RS-A or the Pirelli P6 Four Seasons, but the other one wasn't much higher. Definitely the shortest treadwear warranty of any class of tires I'm used to buying. In any case, we decided on the Michelin Pilot Exalto A/S, which has a 6 year/45K warranty. We'll see what happens.

[mazdadude]

I agree with the others that the "problem" is not with the tires, but with the factory alignment specs. The alignment is tuned for comfort and zoom, not for tire wear. Yes, you can change the alignment for max tire life, but it would change the feel from a wagon-sedan like, to van-truck like handling. If this Mazda5 drove like a van, I would not be driving it.(wrc)

The only way to combat the the cupping of the tread, and inside edge treadwear issues without losing the zoom-zoom factor, is to be proactive; keep the tire pressures at 33-35, and get those tires rotated every 5-10k.

Also to get the absolute max life out of the tire, you can have the tires taken off of the wheels and swapped left to right. This way the tire is still rotating in the same direction, but the lightly worn outer tread now becomes the inside tread, and the heavily worn inside tread becomes the outer. If you do this before the inside tread gets too thin, you can almost double the life of the tire. Of course the dismount, mount, and rebalance will cost you some $, it will be less the the cost of replacing just 1 tire. (2thumbs)

[Mazda5wannabe]

39,000 miles and still have almost 1/2 tread on the tires...... 205/50 ZR17's....... little roar at lower speeds, but I think that's the type tire ...... I think it has a lot to do with the type driver you are....... I like zipping around, but I'm not drifting my rear end (I know the tire want last doing that)...... I've had the alignment checked a couple of times (20,000, 30,000 miles), shop said it was within specs and he wouldn't recommend changing anything........ I'll let you guys know how their doing..........

One quick question, does anyone know when I'm ready to change my tires, how much can I vary the size? I'm thinking of putting a little more tire between me and the road..... I'm thinking of something in the 225 range, anyone moved from 205 to 225?

Thanks,
dfskinner

I think you'll find that 225 is a bit too wide for the OEM rims. I put on a set of Falken ZE-912 215 45R17 which carry a 40000 mile warranty. They've worn much better than the sucky Toyo OEM POS tires, are much better in the rain and are grippier in the corners. Not the best size for comfort, but that's not was Zoom Zoom is about, is it?

[fam]

Well tomorrow Im getting a set of Hankook K106's for a very reasonable 360 out the door. He had offered the same tire on this thread in the 205 size for 320 out the door but I took a size bump up. From what Ive been reading its a pretty darn good affordable tire so Ill let you know how it is. My tires look new from the outside although the car has 31k on it, but the wear bars are showing on the fronts and its getting worse in the rain, and the backs look new but if you squat down the insides are bald and cupped beyond belief.

[08M5GTGSP]

I know the tires for the stock GT 17" rims are fairly low-profile, but is there a particular tire out there that I could put on to smooth the ride a bit & quiet the road noise just a bit? My car has the Toyo Proxes tires on it now.

In other words, can I get a non-performance tire in the stock size?

[rweatherford]

Try looking up a touring tire in the factory size.

Tire Rack has ratings on about every tire they sell.

[doctorz]

we just put Michelin Pilot Exacto A/S on our 5 yesterday and then took a 200 mile trip. The Michelins are much quieter and smoother, a huge difference. Seems like there's a slight loss in handling sharpness, but I think it'll be a fair tradeoff. The Toyos were terrible in rain and the Michelins got great reviews, so I'm interested in seeing how they perform in the rain. rweatherford has a great suggestion; I didn't use the Tire Rack for my purchase, but I did look at the ratings and reviews.

[Kojack]

i think my winters are 215/50/17

that size is much better for my car. i need to swap out tires....these toyos are garbage

[raspykart]

Perhaps its time we start a sticky'd thread for Tire recommendations with real feedback on how said tires Sound, grip, last, etc on the 5

[fam]

After buying my 2nd mazda 5 but this time used, it was apparent the previous owner never rotated the tires. The backs were so cupped and noisy and the fronts had the wear bar starting to show, so, it was time.

For value\cost reasons I got the Hankook K106, alot quieter now although not whisper quiet. I cant even got the tires to squeal even around turns, Im really happy with them. 4 out the door only cost me $360!!!!, They came to my work and picked it up, put tires on, and dropped it back off.

I went with 215 50 17's which fills the wheel wells a little better but I can tell a huge difference how it takes bumps more softly. Couldnt be happier, I threw in a few pics of the wifes pink van for fun just because Ive never shown them in the same pic. Sorry for the crappy pics its from my phone.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v315/superfam/rubber/th_0601081211.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v315/superfam/rubber/0601081211.jpg)
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[coolmazda5]

Nice fam... now you can compare both tires once the new ones start getting some use.

I like the looks as well. I love low-profile tires but the OEM are very low IMO (especially for the back wheels (boom06)). The Hankooks seem to have the right profile height...

[fam]

And honestly the tires are so cheap if I get any cupping or issues I can replace the effected tire very little cost. (90 each installed and including tax)

Ill get some better pics later with a real camera when the wife gets back home (she takes it everywhere).

My used 5, 31k miles,
My wifes 5, 17k miles after 3 years lol. Ill probably need a new set before she even goes through her stock tires.

[coolmazda5]

My wifes 5, 17k miles after 3 years lol. Ill probably need a new set before she even goes through her stock tires.

Yup, do it w/o thinking about it, it is very similar to my wife's car case.

On past cars I have replaced tires at least twice with very low mileage but long age. Tire materials just start losing the good stuff after some years and can turn dangerous. In the case of the Toyos, they just get even crappier with age :D

[Sveivo]

I have these tires. They seem to last forever! Good choice.

[fam]

Thats what I was hoping for thanks sveivo. I had read a ton of reviews. By the way folks it only changes your MPH by 1 mph higher than it reads at 60. I calculated into an excel spreadsheet and Im only off like 4.5 MPH at 300mph so....booya.

:-)

I really did.

Also,
215 50 17's = more available and generally cheaper than the 205's.

[mazdadude]

Glad that you like the tires!

I am much happier with that size as well.

I have 10k on the bridgestone g009 215/50/17's, and so far so good!

[mrbwa1]

Thats what I was hoping for thanks sveivo. I had read a ton of reviews. By the way folks it only changes your MPH by 1 mph higher than it reads at 60. I calculated into an excel spreadsheet and Im only off like 4.5 MPH at 300mph so....booya.

:-)

I really did.

Also,
215 50 17's = more available and generally cheaper than the 205's.

I did the calculation and was the difference @ 60MPH. Most speedos read a little low anyway at 60. I wouldn't mind, as I rarely "speed" much anymore in search of every last MPG out there. I will have to keep in mind the 215s when tires come due. we're Snow + Sun people here, so I imagine the summer set will last a while! btw, 205/55 16s don't look bad, but the steel wheels do on a 5.

Now about 300MPH.. I think the Necessary rocket motor might put you over the GVWR of the 5 but just a tad...

[fam]

mrbwa1, was your first sentence a question im having a hard time figuring it out?

As for 300mph, as long as my window is down and ive got one arm to use as a wing to keep the car from flying into the sunset im sure we will be fine.

[olddaddy]

Where did you buy the tires from? Let us know how they do in snow and I hope thats a long time from now.

[fam]

tri county tire in oregon, Ohio. After the winter we had, if I see snow before november im going to ... i wont finish that.

[PGCist]

Just got my new Sumitomo HTR+'s, sized 215/50. They look nice. I'm told BJ's Club will mount for $9.99 per tire - so that might be where I go first. The next cheapest is Merchant's for $16.99 per tire.

[fam]

Im content with the way the 215's ride and handle. Hopefully you have the same experience.

[randyl]

A question for those went with 215/50/17. Do you see any difference in mpg? I'd assume you'll lose some due to the bigger tires, but how much or is it even noticeable.

[fam]

Ill check on my next tank, but Im guessing the same. Im getting 25-27 on average on tanks and that even includes sleeping in my car during some lunch breaks with it idling for an hour :-)

[PGCist]

Good question about the mpg change. I'll top off the tank after I get them installed.

[fam]

Dont forget to multiple the mileage by 1.016 to get actual mileage. Thats the difference in the speedo and actual mph\mileage.

[PGCist]

Dont forget to multiple the mileage by 1.016 to get actual mileage. Thats the difference in the speedo and actual mph\mileage.

Heh. I guess I'll keep my old TI-82 in the glovebox from now on.

[fam]

Most cell phones have calculators now, After I fill up I sit down in the seat and calculate it real quick.

If you can get ahold of a TI83 or better you can actually put tetris\mario and such on them, hence why I dropped College Algebra 3 times before acing it when I got older and stopped doing stupid things on my calculator.

[rweatherford]

LOL. I've still got an HP 64G. Reverse notation rules.

[perfecto]

Thinking about the same size, but has anyone REALLY loaded the car down at the back to see if it scrapes? I take this car camping and fully load it up with crap, and if it scrapes then I'm screwed. :)

[fam]

ill let u know, but i havent loaded it down with the new tires yet. height diff is so minimal .2" or something you could get by.

[perfecto]

:) My tires are totally done, and I'm really not willing to let it go much further than it has on the crap OEM Proxes. I think I'm just going to suck it up and go with the bigger size. Looking at a Falken 912 in that size atm.

[fam]

Specification Sidewall Radius Diameter Circumference Revs/Mile Difference
205/50-17 4.0in 12.5in 25.1in 78.8in 804 0.0%
215/50-17 4.2in 12.7in 25.5in 80.0in 792 1.6%

[bulwnkl]

Does the Falken 912 have rim guards like the 512 does?

Has anyone ever tried 205/55-17 tires? I can't find many in that size, but if there's a mpg penalty with the 215s, a slightly taller 205 might work?

[perfecto]

No rim guards... and I'm going to take the plunge today on the 912's. :)

[perfecto]

OK... really happy with them so far. :)

[PGCist]

Sumitomo HTR+'s are on the stock rims now. A nearby dealer mounted & installed for them $49. Very nice feel. Much better ride than the stock Toyos.

Speaking of which, anyone tried to sell their Toyos? Mine only have 2500 mi on them and I'm thinking of selling 'em.

[fam]

craigslist brother!

or you can ship them to me and Ill put them on the wifes car when she wears out her stock tires in 3 more years. They will probably dry rott before she wears them out.

[08M5GTGSP]

So, would 215's give a smoother ride than stock 205's?? I'm looking for any and every way to accentuate smoothness & quietness. To be fair, I was so impressed at the refinement of my new '08 5 for the price, but want to make sure I reinforce that in any way I can.

[mazdadude]

So, would 215's give a smoother ride than stock 205's?? I'm looking for any and every way to accentuate smoothness & quietness. To be fair, I was so impressed at the refinement of my new '08 5 for the price, but want to make sure I reinforce that in any way I can.


Yes, the 215/50 has a taller sidewall than the 205/50, making the ride slightly smoother, but with a slight loss of handling performance. The Mazda5 has zoom to spare, so I figured the trade-off towards smoother and quieter would be more appreciated, and it is!

[08M5GTGSP]

Yes, the 215/50 has a taller sidewall than the 205/50, making the ride slightly smoother, but with a slight loss of handling performance. The Mazda5 has zoom to spare, so I figured the trade-off towards smoother and quieter would be more appreciated, and it is!

That sounds like just what I'm looking for - is this something that will fit on the stock wheels? Would a local dealer be reluctant to put them on?

Thanks.

[fam]

not at all, its just one size up on one of the dimensions for tire sizes. tiny bit taller tiny bit wider, same 17" hole in the middle for the tire :-)

[opus]

tri county tire in oregon, Ohio. After the winter we had, if I see snow before november im going to ... i wont finish that.

Yeah, this winter in NW Ohio, SE Michigan made me extra grateful for the snow tires on the 5. This summer isn't exactly measuring up either.

[PGCist]

New Sumitomo HTR+'s:

Pic 1 (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2290/2584520114_26c6aa866c_b.jpg)

Pic 2 (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3185/2583691557_6838914e0d_o.jpg)

Nice tires. Very happy so far.

[fam]

Yeah this last winter has tested everyone's souls for living this far north. Made me hating moving up here from Ky.

[dann & misti]

Purchased a set of General Exclaim UHP this morning. 205/50R-17 93W XL B. What a difference in ride over the el-cheapo Toyo's the car came with. Of course, this is just day one. They have a z rating but a 60,000 mile warranty.

[randyl]

Looks nice..... can you elaborate on the difference? (noise, comfort, over the bumps... etc, what PSI did you go with?)

[Kojack]

I have the same set ordered excpt with 215/50/17. it feels like the tranny shifts better etc with that size tire on. dunno...probably just me....they look good tho

[coolmazda5]

Wow, that is deep tread, keep us updated on how it goes

[dann & misti]

After only a couple of days I can tell you that the ride is so much smoother. To enter our neighborhood I have to drive over a set of train tracks and a set of speed bumps which I used to dread. Now its smooth and quiet. As for the psi, the specs call for 51 but the installer inflated them to 48. Will update the experience after a road trip next month

[fam]

Had my tires a few weeks now and you wont even notice the speed difference. Its 1 mph at the highest most folks will drive. The tread is amazing for dry and severe rain. I can pull out in the rain on a turn and floor it into traffic and it will not spin at all...amazing. Ill tell you how they do in snow in probably 5.5-6 mo.

215's are def the way to go.

[Sveivo]

Had my tires a few weeks now and you wont even notice the speed difference. Its 1 mph at the highest most folks will drive. The tread is amazing for dry and severe rain. I can pull out in the rain on a turn and floor it into traffic and it will not spin at all...amazing. Ill tell you how they do in snow in probably 5.5-6 mo.

215's are def the way to go.

These are "high performance" tires, so I would assume they are summer only! Be careful in the snow...

[fam]

They are still an all season tire luckily. read some reviews that said they were decent in the snow (from people in Ohio where im at). Funny thing is here in ohio every road is straight and every road is flat. Which makes driving in the snow a little easier except for the sheer quantity of the snow.

[Sveivo]

They are still an all season tire luckily. read some reviews that said they were decent in the snow (from people in Ohio where im at). Funny thing is here in ohio every road is straight and every road is flat. Which makes driving in the snow a little easier except for the sheer quantity of the snow.

Hey, that's cool. I didn't realize that. I guess I could retire my nasty winter wheels. Thank God!! (angel)(alright)

[fam]

Well if you can hold off until I experience snow on them 1st hand Ill give you a hella review :-)

[Sveivo]

Well if you can hold off until I experience snow on them 1st hand Ill give you a hella review :-)

(yippy) OK, if you get snow in your area before we do!

[mrbwa1]

We just had our last "snow" on June 10th... You just missed it! Hopefully no more for several months...

[fam]

Ugh. Snow in june would make me buy a revolver with my name on a bullet.

[coolmazda5]

We just had our last "snow" on June 10th... You just missed it! Hopefully no more for several months...

LOL, but I didn't! I was in Seattle during those days, on the local radio they actually called it Junuary weather :D

Turned the TV on and see on the news an anchor reporting 5in snow in Snoqualmie pass. With the "jetlag" I had to double check if there was not a local version April's fool day in the West Coast (scratch)

Sorry, off-topic (outie)

[DocMagoo]

Hey dann and misti, can you give an update on how the General's are working out? I'm looking at these or the Michelin Pilot Exaltos.....

[raspykart]

After only a couple of days I can tell you that the ride is so much smoother. To enter our neighborhood I have to drive over a set of train tracks and a set of speed bumps which I used to dread. Now its smooth and quiet. As for the psi, the specs call for 51 but the installer inflated them to 48. Will update the experience after a road trip next month

holy shmoly 48psi in the tires, I don't even run my truck tires that high. You really run them that high, think we run 32-35 factory depending on if the shop lowers em for me...grr

[AIMWO4]

This is what I have. I like a hard compound.

http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/fuzion/fuzion_zri_ci2_l.jpg

[Rocket]

I have the General tires with 22,000 miles on them so far. They are better than the factory tires for sure. I find them to be loud, and the grip is starting to fall of some. But as far as value goes, they are a good one. It is depressing that most of the tires in this size are $150+, so one has to resort to an "off" brand.

[ChipM5]

I need new tires for my Mazda5 and think the 215-55-17's will give an even better ride and mileage. I don't care about the speedometer being wrong. The radius increases by .6". It looks like there is plenty of room. The question is will they fit? And will they rub if the car is fully loaded? Anybody put 215-55-17's on their Mazda5?

[fam]

negative, you would be our test child.

Moohoo ha ha ha.

[kiew118]

215/55/17 !!

I am more thinking like 225/50/17.

Someone give them a try hehe

[ChipM5]

Matt

Why did you decide against the 215-55-17's. they sound like a better tire to me.

chipm5

[skyhawk]

Mazda2006. after the long trip (total 6000km or so), I can see
the inner side of both the rear tires are worn way below the 'wear marks'.
The front tires has even wear.

I have since rotated the tires. rear to front and front to rear.

Is this happening only on the OEM toyo tires? If replace the tires
with a better brands, will this uneven wear of the rear tires still happen?

[fam]

It has to do with the way the back tires have negative camber for handling purposes. Nothing to do with the tire, just how it is setup per oem specifications. Eventually the insides will start to cup and your back tires will get very loud. If you look at the back tires from behind the car you can see that the tops of the tires are pointed towards the inside of the car. Same way on the mazda3 HB too. Most people would rather have even tire wear vs performance. you could have an alignment shop "fix" it, but it wouldnt be to OEM spec.

[AO928]

Usually, the (excessive) negative camber doesn't cause this kind of wear unless you never rotate your tires. However, excessive toe out will cause this in a realtively short period. Were you carrying a lot of cargo? Either way, sounds like you need to get some new tires and get your alignment checked.

Rear Spec for toe is 0º 11' ±22'. BTW, camber spec is -1º 29' ±1º.

[MD5]

Matt

Why did you decide against the 215-55-17's. they sound like a better tire to me.

chipm5

I haven't gotten any replacements yet. Probably will in the next couple of months.

I'm still not decided if I'm going back with 215/50/17s or 215/55/17s...

[mazdadude]

I think getting the tires swapped left to right on the wheels, is the best route.

[dreamym5]

It has to do with the way the back tires have negative camber for handling purposes. Nothing to do with the tire, just how it is setup per oem specifications. Eventually the insides will start to cup and your back tires will get very loud. If you look at the back tires from behind the car you can see that the tops of the tires are pointed towards the inside of the car. Same way on the mazda3 HB too. Most people would rather have even tire wear vs performance. you could have an alignment shop "fix" it, but it wouldnt be to OEM spec.

Ah.. i thought i was the *ONLY* one with tilted rear tire..

could i ask dealer to fix that??? pro not...!!!(eek2)

[coolmazda5]

How many total kms you have on the OEM tires?

I'm thinking that the 6000km trip may have finally made the "issue" more visible, but the trip itself was not the cause of the wear.

And yeah, as everybody has said, performance is the main cause of the negative camber on the rear tires it seems, but regular rotation should do as mentioned earlier. I took some pictures of mine the other day to compare. Tires are rotated every service (5000mi or around 8000kms). The first 2 thumbnails are from the 06 (~20k miles) and the 3rd and 4th ones are from the 08 (~6K miles).

I want the change the 06 ones, but still look like they have some extra miles to go...

Edit:
This is the way they are rotated:
http://www.pueblo.gsa.gov/cic_text/cars/maintaintires/frontwheel.gif

[fam]

You can see it (rear wheel neg. camber) pretty well here on my old 3. The 3 I took a beating on in trading it in to get a 5 for the wife. If my wife hadnt just got a lease on her 3i I woulda been alot happier but oh well, ill overcompensate with a 67 fastback when the kids are grown.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v315/superfam/Mazda/pic064.jpg

[AO928]

This is the way they are rotated:
http://www.pueblo.gsa.gov/cic_text/cars/maintaintires/frontwheel.gif

Interesting, in the '08 owner's manual, they say to rotate front to back only, no switching sides. Hmmmm....

[AO928]

I had to go back and double check...

[coolmazda5]

^^ Interesting. I just noted the type of rotation I posted because of the location of a wheel with curb rash after the service the other day. Not sure the impact of the different methods though...

[AIMWO4]

This happens to any FWD car with neg camber and toe-in.

Did you up your tire pressure before the trip? How much of a load did you have?

The tire pressure plate on my Saab actually listed a higher inflation recommendation for loads over 750 pounds or more than 2 people.

I rotated Saab tires every 3000 miles.


Mazda2006. after the long trip (total 6000km or so), I can see
the inner side of both the rear tires are worn way below the 'wear marks'.
The front tires has even wear.

I have since rotated the tires. rear to front and front to rear.

Is this happening only on the OEM toyo tires? If replace the tires
with a better brands, will this uneven wear of the rear tires still happen?

[mazdadude]

The thing that is important is to keep the tire rolling in the same direction.


That is why I recommend getting the tires removed from the wheels, and swapped left to right. This keeps the tires rotating in the same direction, and gives you a new sidewall to wear down.

[AO928]

This happens to any car with neg camber.

Did you up your tire pressure before the trip? How much of a load did you have?

The tire pressure plate on my Saab actually listed a higher inflation recommendation for loads over 750 pounds or more than 2 people.

I rotated Saab tires every 3000 miles.

BS. Negative camber alone will not cause this kind of wear in this short of time (unless it's cause by excessive load). I run 1º 50' of negative camber on my Porsche and don't have any issues with inside wear.

It's the combination of negative camber and excessive toe out that usually casuses this condition. The excessive toe could be caused by a falty alighment or, depending on the geometry of the suspension, the load on the suspension. I haven't taken the time to study the 5's suspension geometry, but it would surprise me if it toe's out some under load, so I would suspect that the toe setting is probably out of spec or he was carrying an excessive load.

[AIMWO4]

Is your Porsche FWD?

Did his post say he was on a trip? Hence, excessive load? I had a BMW w/ neg camber that never had this wear problem.

And rear alignment toe-in does affect wear. This is common on FWD neg camber.



BS. Negative camber alone will not cause this kind of wear in this short of time (unless it's cause by excessive load). I run 1º 50' of negative camber on my Porsche and don't have any issues with inside wear.

It's the combination of negative camber and excessive toe out that usually casuses this condition. The excessive toe could be caused by a falty alighment or, depending on the geometry of the suspension, the load on the suspension. I haven't taken the time to study the 5's suspension geometry, but it would surprise me if it toe's out some under load, so I would suspect that the toe setting is probably out of spec or he was carrying an excessive load.

[skyhawk]

Not enough data. We were fully loaded (4 adults and 2kids + belongings). No roof carrier (otherwise we would surely overload). km reading before trip 26000km after trip some 32000km. From alberta to Cali, tire pressure was at 38psi in the morning. I did not check rear tire wear while in CA. then I lower pressure to recommended 34psi, on the way back - just to feel the difference in ride. And yes with 34psi, the car rides smoother, less-suv-like. No idea which part of the trip wore the tire.

Anyway, I have another set for winter. And the worn pair of toyos are now in the front.
It will be city driving until the next years vacation. come winter the toyos will hibernate.

I will have the alignment checked.

[07MZ5SA]

Install airbags should fix the problem.

[AIMWO4]

It sounds like the same problem I had with my first Saab. Then I noticed the tire pressure tag that recommended increasing tire pressure with a greater load. I never had the problem after that.

The rear does get a neg camber and some toe-in for handling purposes. You could probably request less toe-in.


Not enough data. We were fully loaded (4 adults and 2kids + belongings). No roof carrier (otherwise we would surely overload). km reading before trip 26000km after trip some 32000km. From alberta to Cali, tire pressure was at 38psi in the morning. I did not check rear tire wear while in CA. then I lower pressure to recommended 34psi, on the way back - just to feel the difference in ride. And yes with 34psi, the car rides smoother, less-suv-like. No idea which part of the trip wore the tire.

Anyway, I have another set for winter. And the worn pair of toyos are now in the front.
It will be city driving until the next years vacation. come winter the toyos will hibernate.

I will have the alignment checked.

[coolmazda5]

And yes with 34psi, the car rides smoother, less-suv-like.

(boom08) SUV-like ride on a Mazda5? So the answer is yes, you need to change those tires! ;)

[AO928]

Is your Porsche FWD?

Front engine (5.0L V8), rear wheel drive. ~480 RWHP (headbang)

[coolmazda5]

Front engine (5.0L V8), rear wheel drive. ~480 RWHP (headbang)

And fuel economy on the high 30s (LOL, just teasing, it's Friday ;))


Off-topic note:
The closest I've gotten to a car like that was a remote controlled one, 6 D size sucking batteries are an issue when you are kid (freak))

[AO928]

Last OT comment on the P-car:

On the highway I get about 18-20MPG. City about 13-14. If I flogg it, 9MPG.

[dfskinner]

Matt, I checked a couple of places for tires today; I'm going to put the OEM size back on when I purchase the new ones...... Sams Club has a set of 205/50ZR17 89W BFGoodrich® g-Force™ Sports for $119.52 per tire; little over 500 for everything.

Sears has a tire that's $90.45 per tire, but it carries no warranty.....

[orr4yaz8]

I replaced my originals with Toyo Versados 11k ago. I love them. They are much quieter, show very little wear, track nicely and handle just as well as originals. I run 36 psi, they are very comfortable.

[JMUDUKE90]

Just got some Nexen N5000 for $80 each out the door from local dealer. So far so good. I didn't know much about them other than they are Korean but decided it was worth the chance. Dealer said the have sold a lot of them with little problems. Seem pretty quiet so far. Still handle pretty good but not quite as sure footed in the twistys. They are H rated instead of V but its my wife's car so I think 130 mph is still plenty plus car rides much better. I do miss the woop, woop, woop sound my stock toyo's made!

[fam]

nice 2nd post. nice tires.

[dfskinner]

Just replaced all 4 tires at 45,147 miles. Bought 205/50ZR17 89W BFGoodrich® g-Force™ Sports from Sams Club. I'd measured them back at 39,000 miles, but I don't think I measured the tread right. All four tires mounted out the door 488.26 at Sams Club. Sams warranty is pretty good if you rotate the tires every 6-8000 miles.


http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=206339

[B16RacerN2NR]

I had to change the stock Toyo's at 25k but due to me not rotating them as often as I should have. I got a set of Achilles ATR Sports in the stock 205/50/17 size. I have rotated these tires roughly every 7500k miles and they still have TONS of meat left. I've got 25k on these already.

Tire noise is pretty much non existent. They have great dry traction. Wet traction seems to be on par with the stock Toyo's so it's not too bad but it's not a great improvement in terms of wet traction.

I got my set for $300 INSTALLED :D in doesn't hurt to have an aunt who owns a wheel and tire shop :D

If anyone who's local and wants to check'em out http://local.yahoo.com/info-20556783-ranchill-tire-wheel-bellflower

Sorry I can't help you guys get a discount though. She wouldn't be able to stay open if everyone got disconts :(

[dfskinner]

Some pic's of the new tires...... pretty smooth ride, alot less road noise than the OEM tires, seems a little more loose in the steering, but may not have the right pressure in the tires, checking that today...... I'll keep updating the site on how they wear........ Sam's has a 4 year warrenty on the tires......we'll see.....

205/50ZR17 89W BFGoodrich® g-Force™ Sport

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd57/dfskinner/Picture208.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd57/dfskinner/Picture205.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd57/dfskinner/Picture210.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd57/dfskinner/Picture211.jpg

[dan4behr]

I had BFG g-force Sport's on the Focus I had prior to my Mz5. They seemed to be a great choice for the Focus (good handling, quieter than OEM Firestone's) and weren't too outrageously expensive - but isn't any 50-series tire expensive nowadays?
I sold the Focus after putting about 15K on the g-force tires and they were still going strong. The car was sold to an acquaintance of mine and they have another 15K or so now and she told me she was shopping for replacements. So, 30K wear on a Focus with regular rotation. I generally don't expect too much in the way of tire life from 50-series tires, but I am trying to make the OEM Toyo's last as long as possible (or I can stand them, they're getting noisy at 15k miles now...) and the g-force will be on my short list of replacement tires. Thanks for the info...(drinks)

[rweatherford]

Someone doesn't know how to mount tires..... Wonder how many weights there are on the inside of the wheel. I'm pretty sure you are supposed to line up the yellow (or red) dot with the valve stem. Motorcycle tires are that way.

[perfecto]

Just to follow up from my questions about "how would it be loaded down" on 215/50/17 - I have just loaded my 5 down with full camping gear + wife + 2 kids and it's just fine. ;)

[ChadSpeed]

I will be getting my new set of 215/50/17's put on on Monday, its also going to an actual alignment shop, not the horrid dealer, to be checked to see if something is wrong or can be fixed to stop the cupping issues. I rotate every 5,000 with oil change and still had the issues, hopefully its just the Toyos.

[coolmazda5]

Perhaps its time we start a sticky'd thread for Tire recommendations with real feedback on how said tires Sound, grip, last, etc on the 5

Done and merged some older threads around. Hope is not too messy :D

[opus]

I will be getting my new set of 215/50/17's put on on Monday, its also going to an actual alignment shop, not the horrid dealer, to be checked to see if something is wrong or can be fixed to stop the cupping issues. I rotate every 5,000 with oil change and still had the issues, hopefully its just the Toyos.

I took mine to the local tire/allignment shop when I started getting the whoop/whoop noise at the end of a 2,400 mile roundtrip roadtrip. They said the stock passenger side rear Toyo that has about 15,000 miles on it is totally "chopped". I use Blizzaks in the winter (November-March). These tires have been rotated 3 times in those 15,000 miles. The shop told me that the 5 comes with a non-adjustable rear camber because the control arm is not adjustable. They want to put aftermarket control arms that are adjustable to the tune of $600.00. The Right Rear camber reading is -2.3, which is at the absolute outer limit of spec. I'm going to go see the dealer tomorrow and see what they have to say. I'll let you know.

[ChadSpeed]

I took mine to the local tire/allignment shop when I started getting the whoop/whoop noise at the end of a 2,400 mile roundtrip roadtrip. They said the stock passenger side rear Toyo that has about 15,000 miles on it is totally "chopped". I use Blizzaks in the winter (November-March). These tires have been rotated 3 times in those 15,000 miles. The shop told me that the 5 comes with a non-adjustable rear camber because the control arm is not adjustable. They want to put aftermarket control arms that are adjustable to the tune of $600.00. The Right Rear camber reading is -2.3, which is at the absolute outer limit of spec. I'm going to go see the dealer tomorrow and see what they have to say. I'll let you know.

Please let me know. I got a rain day today so I'm going to get the tires mounted, balanced, and take it to the alignment shop. I will probably get the same response from them that you got. As sucky as my dealers service department is I'm 100% sure they will not do anything for me in regards to using the warranty to replace the control arms, so I will be calling Mazda first, and see if I can get anywhere.

[ansatzjp]

My-2-year-20K-mile-old Mazda5 started to shake when the speed reaches 45 miles. The local dealer rotated tires and rebalanced them, but I still felt that the steering wheel was trembling, now in-between 50 and 60 miles. The dealer rebalanced it once again, but recommended to get new front tires, as they found it the front Toyo tires have knots in the tread.

After reading through this thread, I learned that one can have 215/50/17 instead of the original 205/50/17. Is this "modification" going to void the warranty of the vehicle, if something goes wrong?

I am looking to purchase Hankook HRII H405 from ebay, by the way.

http://tinyurl.com/6ycxgn

[ChadSpeed]

I got my 215's installed today along with an alignment. The piss poor dealer did an alignment with the suspension recall about 15,000 miles ago, but still the front end was out of toe, odd. The rear camber on the passenger side is at 2.1 negative cambers, just a shade away from being out of tolerance. The tolerance for the rear is huge compared to the front, in both toe and camber. The new tires have a 560 treadwear, and A for traction and temp. They are some off brand made by goodyear, but have some other name, they were cheap so if they get ruined like the Toyos I won't be as pissed.

[opus]

[QUOTE=ChadSpeed;4001617 The rear camber on the passenger side is at 2.1 negative cambers, just a shade away from being out of tolerance. [/QUOTE]

Mine was right at 2.3 negative camber which is exactly the outside number for spec. The dealer has now had my car for two days with a call into "Mazda Engineering Tech" but no return phone call. I think they are trying a waiting game with me and seeing if I will blink, which won't happen. (protest)

[ChadSpeed]

Mine was right at 2.3 negative camber which is exactly the outside number for spec. The dealer has now had my car for two days with a call into "Mazda Engineering Tech" but no return phone call. I think they are trying a waiting game with me and seeing if I will blink, which won't happen. (protest)

good to hear, hope we can finally get Mazda to resolve this problem.

[rweatherford]

Damn that's a bunch of negative camber for a "mini-mini-van". Sounds like a good auto-x setup.

[dfskinner]

Someone doesn't know how to mount tires..... Wonder how many weights there are on the inside of the wheel. I'm pretty sure you are supposed to line up the yellow (or red) dot with the valve stem. Motorcycle tires are that way.


I don't understand..... the tire shop at sam's club mounted the tires..... should I go back and complain? I didn't realize what the green dot was either. I'll check the inside of the tire to see what kind of weights they added.....

Thanks for the info....

[ansatzjp]

After speaking to my Korean friends who are all familiar with Kumho and Hankook tires, I finally decided to purchase Kumho DX 215/50/17 from Tirerack. Four tires plus delivery to a local Goodyear shop is $ 380, and I will be required to pay around $ 60 for installation. =)

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Sizes.jsp?make=Kumho&model=Ecsta+DX+Aroma

[rweatherford]

I don't understand..... the tire shop at sam's club mounted the tires..... should I go back and complain? I didn't realize what the green dot was either. I'll check the inside of the tire to see what kind of weights they added.....

Thanks for the info....

I would not bother. They will look at you like you are from another planet. Most techs are not trained and just slap tires on and balance them. I'd have to look up the info to even see if I know for sure what "I" am talking about.

I'll see what I can find.


Here you go. Some info. I guess I wasn't crazy.

http://www.yokohamatire.com/pdf/tsb-MatchMounting-12803.pdf

Tire Rack says it isn't necessary.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=17

[dfskinner]

I would not bother. They will look at you like you are from another planet. Most techs are not trained and just slap tires on and balance them. I'd have to look up the info to even see if I know for sure what "I" am talking about.[/url]

You were right, first off they did look at me like I was from another planet..... but after a few mins the manager told me he wanted to look at the tires on my car...... he called the manager of Sam's over and they discussed the matter and gave me a $100.00 gift card for my trouble..... I guess to help move me out of the tire department where about 10 people were waiting to purchase tires..... the tire manager told me he would make it up to me when I purchased my next set of tires..... I told him that was my 3rd set of tires in the last 3 years (3 different vehicles) from Sam's...... I guess the Infinity will be next, he gave me his card with 10% off written on the back with his signature........

Thanks for the links, I printed the first link and carried it with me to the club, I think that' s what made them think they had to do something.....

[rweatherford]

(cabpatch)(thumb) HAHA! That's great.....

[08M5GTGSP]

Here's what I found:

205/50 215/50 215/45
Sidewall 4.0 4.2 3.8
Radius 12.5 12.7 12.3
Diameter 25.1 25.5 24.6
Circumfrence 78.8 80.0 77.3
Revs/Mile 804 792 819
Speedo at 60mph 60 60.9 58.9

So, the 215/45 is a tad smaller than stock, and I'd rather be a tad larger than smaller.

I'm happy with the size, I get fewer revs per mile, I'm down 100 rpm at 75mph, and I have a little more sidewall which means a softer ride.

Matt

So, even though the aspect ratio and diameter are the same as stock, the fact that it's a wider tire gives more cushioning effect? Very interesting. I'll probably do this when I need to get new tires.

[07MZ5SA]

So, even though the aspect ratio and diameter are the same as stock, the fact that it's a wider tire gives more cushioning effect? Very interesting.

Width X Aspect Ratio = Sidewall Height

The taller the sidewall the more cushion/flexing.

[Partsguy]

I was looking at prices on Tirerack and I'm wondering if I can go to a 215/55/16 or a 215/60/16. My 2006 Mazda came with 16" rims.

I plan on ordering them and having them installed at a shop just across the border in Buffalo. The General's were rated #1 in their ranking:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=GTAS

I read the threads about the speedo being off a few % but I really don't mind as a Cop once told me:

'10K over the speed limit is fine, 11K over the speed limit and your a$$ is mine'.

Thanks in advance for your help!!!(dance)

[07MZ5SA]

Some post mentioned 206/60-16 will clear.

If my calculation is correct, it should help with speedo error.

[rscottg]

I’m pretty sure I’m going to buy a used Mazda 5 GS in the near future. I just have to take it for a test drive next week.

The 5 will usually be driven by my wife, and I’m sure she won’t be very aggressive with it. I’m just looking at reasonable tire wear, etc.

My last Mazda was a Protégé and it was easy on tires. Mind you it weighed less, and switched and rotated tires every winter to Nokian Q’s so not to be killed by the stock tires. The profile of the tire didn’t lend itself to aggressive driving.

I’ve been reading a lot of posts all over the net about tire wear problems. I’m wondering how concerned I should be? I’ve heard that the stock Toyo’s are terrible in both wear and traction. The 5 I’m looking had its tires replaced last fall with Nokian (would assume WR’s) tires. I have a Nokian dealer close to my house, so it will be easy to have the tires rotated regularly – or do it myself.

[jeebusm3]

I’m pretty sure I’m going to buy a used Mazda 5 GS in the near future. I just have to take it for a test drive next week.

The 5 will usually be driven by my wife, and I’m sure she won’t be very aggressive with it. I’m just looking at reasonable tire wear, etc.

My last Mazda was a Protégé and it was easy on tires. Mind you it weighed less, and switched and rotated tires every winter to Nokian Q’s so not to be killed by the stock tires. The profile of the tire didn’t lend itself to aggressive driving.

I’ve been reading a lot of posts all over the net about tire wear problems. I’m wondering how concerned I should be? I’ve heard that the stock Toyo’s are terrible in both wear and traction. The 5 I’m looking had its tires replaced last fall with Nokian (would assume WR’s) tires. I have a Nokian dealer close to my house, so it will be easy to have the tires rotated regularly – or do it myself.

Our 2008 has 7k miles on it and the tires look fine. I know that's not a whole boatload of miles, but some people seem to notice wear by this point.

I drive pretty briskly and in the dry the tires seem alright so far. Nothing amazing, but not dangerous by any means. In the wet they are pretty poor. We don't get snow or cold here in San Diego so I cannot comment.

[rscottg]

I'm sure if I keep up with the rotation and check tire pressure it should be fine.

My current Nokian WR tires have almost 108,000km (67,000 miles) on them, and I'm sure the same type will last while on the 5.

I wish our weather was like San Diego. That's a place with nice weather.

The cars here take a bit of beating with our extremes in temp. When its really cold, the tires feel like square blocks, and everything squeaks and groans. When it warms up, you feel like you have a new car.

[jeebusm3]

I'm sure if I keep up with the rotation and check tire pressure it should be fine.

My current Nokian WR tires have almost 108,000km (67,000 miles) on them, and I'm sure the same type will last while on the 5.

I wish our weather was like San Diego. That's a place with nice weather.

The cars here take a bit of beating with our extremes in temp. When its really cold, the tires feel like square blocks, and everything squeaks and groans. When it warms up, you feel like you have a new car.

LOL 67,000 miles. I have never, in my entire life, had a set of tires last more than 25,000 miles. Although in most cases, they were performance tires on performance cars so it makes sense.

[Kojack]

I know one thing for sure....the stock toyos are garbage. I put general exclaim UHP on my 5 and they are much better in every aspect of driving.

[coolmazda5]

Talking about tires, here is an old 08 Mazda5 review and by looking at the pics I noticed the OEM tires were different:

Bridgestone Blizzak 205/50 R17 LM25V (i think) (scratch)

http://www.roadfly.com/new-cars/wp-content/uploads/gallery/2008-mazda5/mazda-5-wheel.jpg

Anyone got those OEM on their people mover?

The article:
http://www.roadfly.com/2008-mazda5.html

[remarquian]

Talking about tires, here is an old 08 Mazda5 review and by looking at the pics I noticed the OEM tires were different:

Bridgestone Blizzak 205/50 R17 LM25V


These are snow tires, i doubt they'd come OEM.

I'm lookin at them for this winter, actually.

CORRECTION: Err, make that Winter Performance tires.

[rscottg]

LOL 67,000 miles. I have never, in my entire life, had a set of tires last more than 25,000 miles. Although in most cases, they were performance tires on performance cars so it makes sense.

Even I have to admit 67,000+ miles is a lot. The car doesn't lend itself to aggressive driving so my driving is fairly mild with lots of highway miles.

I once took a Mazda 3 GT for test drive. With it, I could see the tires not lasting long as you just wanted to dive into the corners.

[coolmazda5]

These are snow tires, i doubt they'd come OEM.

I'm lookin at them for this winter, actually.

CORRECTION: Err, make that Winter Performance tires.

Duh, Blizzak should've given me hint, no wonder the tread looks deep :D...

They don't look bad though, weird that they made an article for a new car using those...

[Redlinez]

On our last Mazda6 wagon, I tried the General Exclaims as our first replacement. Very soft sidewalls, made a wierd creaking noise at low speeds, like a creaky running shoe. Then bought Nitto Neogens http://www.neogentire.com/#index%2Etire%2Eneogen .Really like those tires, we went 215/45/17's. No more wheel sticking out, great all season performance, got them for $90 each.

[reMarkable]

I was wondering what everyone might suggest to first match (or better) the MPG I'm getting from the OEM Toyos? Handling/Quietness/Treadwear would come second. Any thoughts?

Thanks in Advance.

[rodslinger]

I just put on a set of Sumitomo HTR Z III tires in a 225-45R18 on my 5-Sport this weekend. I am running a set of Mazdaspeed3 wheels and replaced the OEM Bridgestone Potenza RE-040 tires that were 215-45R18 sized.

My expectations - My expectations were not that high. I expected a signifigant decrease in steering response due to the increased sidewall width and tread squirm from a new tire. I also had low expectatinos of grip and comfort when compared to the Potenzas.

The reality - These tires really are great. Even though I went up a size, have a little more sidewall and the included tread squirm, I have not noticed ANY loss in steering response. They are a little quieter, just as smooth and cornering grip so far is as good or better than the worn RE-040's. These tires are also tracking much better and do not appear to be tramming as much as the old units.

Aesthetics - These tires are decent looking units. They have an asymetrical tread pattern so you can properly cross rotate and a nice finish on the sidewall. They give a nice, meaty look and help fill in the wheel wells.

So far I like them and may recommend them fully after a few more weeks of driving. They ar also available in a 215-50R17 which would be a good size for the OEM wheels on the 5.

[midMOdan]

So, having had my 5 for a few weeks now and reading through this thread, is the fact that I seem to easily spin the tires on this supposedly underpowered vehicle a function of these toyo tires?

Or do I need some more practice w/ FWD? My previous car had all wheel drive, so never spun anything.

I haven't as yet needed to do much driving in rain, but given the comments about these tires the prospect doesn't sound promising.

[rodslinger]

So, having had my 5 for a few weeks now and reading through this thread, is the fact that I seem to easily spin the tires on this supposedly underpowered vehicle a function of these toyo tires?
....

I think it's more about the dynamics of the vehicle. It's even easy to spin them when running the Potenza RE-040's or the new Sumito tires I'm using now.

Seems the higher center of gravity helps it unload weight from the inside front tire when starting off on a turn. This vehicle could really benefit from a LSD in the trans to shift power to the outside tire. My Mazda3 did not have as much of a problem breaking traction and it has the same drivetrain. You would think it would be easier to do since it is a lighter vehicle.

[danix]

Has anyone gotten the stock tires replaced or prorated under warranty? Our 06 has 17k miles but the tires are pretty shot already. The parts guy at the dealer suggested I go to a toyo dealer for credit, then buy a better brand.

[alykat23]

The 215/50/17 is the best replacement tire for the mazda5. They really worked out great.

[coolmazda5]

Got Yokohama Avid T4s (215/50/17, All Season) for the 06 before Winter gets harsh-er.

It is too early to say how good they are but at least they provide a much more smoother ride and less noise so far. The car also looks more "proportional". Love low profile tires but the Toyos are a little bit much...

I got a 4 for 3 deal and they were on inventory, so I could not let go.

[mazdamags]

We're ready to replace the OEM Toyo tires on our '06 M5 after 24K. DH wants to get Michelin Pilot Exalto A/S which will set us back over $1K installed. We live in rural New England so we deal with frost heaves, winding back roads, heavy snow, and other hazards of a long winter up here. What's the opinion on these Michelins? Good enough? Too good?

[skyhawk]

come to think of it, what is wrong with the original 205/50/17 size for the mazda5?

[doctorz]

We have the Michelin Pilot Exactos. We replaced the stock Toyos at 29K and we've rolled up 7,000 miles so far on the Michelins. I think they are worth every penny - they're quiet, offer great traction in wet and dry, and are much smoother riding. They definitely did not cost us over $1000 - it was more like $850.

I grew up in the northeast and lived in western Massachusetts for a time, so I know something about New England winters and the roads. I can't comment on how these the Exaltos perform in snow because of where I currently live, though...

[coolmazda5]

come to think of it, what is wrong with the original 205/50/17 size for the mazda5?

I believe nothing specific, except the OEM brand that our Mazda5s come with. In my particular case I wanted something different yet nothing that would dramatically change things around (dunno).

Now I can feel the handling/driving difference when I swap rides from time to time, that is something less boring at least :D

[schokie]

If I remember correctly, the Pilot Exaltos were one of the highest ranked "performance" tires in Consumer Reports within the past year or two. $1K does seem a bit steep-what's tirerack selling them for?

[$chocker]

Regarding the Pilot Exalto AS, I bought them for my Mz3, and I have always second guessed my purchase due to the high cost and the fact that they didn't feel like much of an upgrade from the OEM Goodyears. Yesterday morning, however, I had my first opportunity to use them on snow covered roads. They performed really well for an all season, and I'll have to stop second guessing the purchase now since snow performance was one of my primary reasons for buying them.

[doctorz]

right now the Pilot Exalto AS is $179 per tire on Tire Rack. Looks like a special price to me, but not that far off from what it was last May when I replaced our tires. Turned out that the Tire Rack recommended installer in my area directly ordered the tires themselves and gave me a better price, so I went with that. But there isn't any reason those Pilot Exaltos need to cost over $1000, not even close.

[SparcEE]

Continental ContiExtremeContact 215/50/17 new as of yesterday from Discount Tire $600 out the door. I previously used them on my retired Acura and had nothing but great performance in all conditions and especially snow in Michigan (~ 100k miles of experience with this tire)...also wore very well. Many other Conti's are not all that great from reading reviews and personal experience, but this one has really good reviews @ Tirerack.

Went with the up size and love it on my '06 M5...less jittery handling and it is more proportioned look, but still reasonably low profile. It's a family truckerster, so extreme handling doesn't apply to our driving characteristics.

Thanks to this thread for getting me to look at this new tire size. I was going to include some real pict's on the Mazda, but the tires are already covered in salt.

SparcEE



http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/conti/co_contiextremecontact_ci2_l.jpg

[danix]

I'm ready for tires. I've been comparing prices, and though I'm a fan of Tire Rack, I'm actually considering getting the Michelin Exalto AS from Costco to the tune of $900ish. They come with a 45k treadwear warranty, include free rotation, and have good ratings. Given the M5's appetite for tires, I figure free rotation while I'm shopping there anyway should help.
Does anyone have feedback on this model tire on the M5?

I'm not a fan of fiddling with the tire ratio, so I'm sticking to 205/50-17.

[AIMWO4]

Is that the new one with a 500 AA A UTQG? I hope the $900 is with everything else included. A set on Tire Rack is $785 w/o M&B.

I know you aren't a fan of different sizes, but a 225/45-17 is only 3/4 of an inch wider, and 1/10th shorter. I have a set of Yoko 225's in the shed that look very nice... The MPH was actually more accurate according to my GPS.

Also... sometimes the 225 will be cheaper in the same tire... sometimes the 205 will be.

I couldn't find a ContiExtremeContact 215/50/17 in 205.


I'm ready for tires. I've been comparing prices, and though I'm a fan of Tire Rack, I'm actually considering getting the Michelin Exalto AS from Costco to the tune of $900ish. They come with a 45k treadwear warranty, include free rotation, and have good ratings. Given the M5's appetite for tires, I figure free rotation while I'm shopping there anyway should help.
Does anyone have feedback on this model tire on the M5?

I'm not a fan of fiddling with the tire ratio, so I'm sticking to 205/50-17.

[MikesMazda5]

I went with the Goodyear Eagle GT/HR size 215/45/17. They grip very well, and get around great in the snow. I got them through my work for $65.00 a piece and mounted them myself.

[MikesMazda5]

Continental ContiExtremeContact 215/50/17 new as of yesterday from Discount Tire $600 out the door. I previously used them on my retired Acura and had nothing but great performance in all conditions and especially snow in Michigan (~ 100k miles of experience with this tire)...also wore very well. Many other Conti's are not all that great from reading reviews and personal experience, but this one has really good reviews @ Tirerack.

Went with the up size and love it on my '06 M5...less jittery handling and it is more proportioned look, but still reasonably low profile. It's a family truckerster, so extreme handling doesn't apply to our driving characteristics.

Thanks to this thread for getting me to look at this new tire size. I was going to include some real pict's on the Mazda, but the tires are already covered in salt.

SparcEE



http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/conti/co_contiextremecontact_ci2_l.jpg


I had the ExtremeContacts on my Mustang at one time, and will never buy them again. They lasted about 10,000 miles and that was it. Yeah, I drive pretty hard and have some negative camber set up in the suspension for better handling, but 10,000 miles!! That is ridiculous. The last set of BFG G-Force TA/ KDWS I put on there went close to 25,000 miles. The conti's did grip pretty well, but the life was way too short.

[OilGuy]

I just got a set of Toyo Versado LXs put on. Toyo was pretty high on this tire when I talked to them (vs the OE Proxes A18s). Any experience with this tire - especially any winter/snow comments?

[doctorz]

I'm actually considering getting the Michelin Exalto AS from Costco to the tune of $900ish. They come with a 45k treadwear warranty, include free rotation, and have good ratings. Given the M5's appetite for tires, I figure free rotation while I'm shopping there anyway should help.
Does anyone have feedback on this model tire on the M5?

I've posted about our experience with these tires a few posts up. We think they're great and worth the price.

[reMarkable]

I was wondering what everyone might suggest to first match (or better) the MPG I'm getting from the OEM Toyos? Handling/Quietness/Treadwear would come second. Any thoughts?

Thanks in Advance.

I'm sort of re-asking my question from October - in the hope it gets a more direct answer this time:

For all of you who've changed from the original 205/50/17 to the 215/50/17 sized tires - what's happened to your MPG? I'd have to think that there is some reduction in MPG (maybe minor?) by having more tire touch the road - no?

Thanks in Advance (again.)

[Mazda5inIowa]

I'm sort of re-asking my question from October - in the hope it gets a more direct answer this time:

For all of you who've changed from the original 205/50/17 to the 215/50/17 sized tires - what's happened to your MPG? I'd have to think that there is some reduction in MPG (maybe minor?) by having more tire touch the road - no?

Thanks in Advance (again.)

First, thanks to all in the forum, I used this a lot in deciding on tires. I "upgraded" by selected 215 50 17. I purchased the Goodyear Assurance TripleTread with an 80,000 mile warranty. From DiscountTireDirect.com, the price was $140 per tire (+free shipping and a $40 rebate). Installation with nitrogen brought my total to $600 (with rebate).

As to gas mileage, I have only gone two tanks. I have seen zero change in fuel economy. It might be there, but out to the tenths, it has been the same for me.

Other benefits of GYA TT in 215:
- Smoother ride
- Awesome on snow, slush, rain
- Quieter than worn Toyo's

[mazdadude]

I'm sort of re-asking my question from October - in the hope it gets a more direct answer this time:

For all of you who've changed from the original 205/50/17 to the 215/50/17 sized tires - what's happened to your MPG? I'd have to think that there is some reduction in MPG (maybe minor?) by having more tire touch the road - no?

Thanks in Advance (again.)

I never noticed a difference either way, I think the increased diameter of the tire raised the mpg a tiny bit. But that was offset by the greater width lowering the mpg a tiny bit, so it is a wash...

[reMarkable]

I never noticed a difference either way, I think the increased diameter of the tire raised the mpg a tiny bit. But that was offset by the greater width lowering the mpg a tiny bit, so it is a wash...

Thanks Mazda5inIowa and mazdadude on the MPG question - glad to hear no noticeable change; I'm starting to lean more toward the 215's based on what you are saying.

I wonder why Mazda went with the 205 vs 215's since everyone seems so much happier with the 215's? Do you think they were just saving a couple of bucks or I don't know what?

[07MZ5SA]

I went from 205/55-16 to 205/60-16 (front only) and also noticed slight MPG increase.

[richardmayo]

The closest tires to Yokohama TRZ is YK520 which is available in 205 or 215/50-17.

Anyone try the Yokohama AVID Touring-S?

They look to be a new model and are reasonably priced.

http://www.yokohamatire.com/tires/avid_touring_s.aspx

[07MZ5SA]

205/50-17 is not available.

Avid Touring-S is the new generation of light weight tires optimized for MPG kind of like Goodyear Assurance.

[simonnyc]

Continental ContiExtremeContact 215/50/17 new as of yesterday from Discount Tire $600 out the door. I previously used them on my retired Acura and had nothing but great performance in all conditions and especially snow in Michigan (~ 100k miles of experience with this tire)...also wore very well. Many other Conti's are not all that great from reading reviews and personal experience, but this one has really good reviews @ Tirerack.

Went with the up size and love it on my '06 M5...less jittery handling and it is more proportioned look, but still reasonably low profile. It's a family truckerster, so extreme handling doesn't apply to our driving characteristics.

Thanks to this thread for getting me to look at this new tire size. I was going to include some real pict's on the Mazda, but the tires are already covered in salt.

SparcEE



http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/conti/co_contiextremecontact_ci2_l.jpg

I just placed an order for these tires. Hope they work out for me as well as they've worked out for you.

PS. Continental is offering a $75 Visa gift card if you purchase these tires (or another continental brand) between Feb 2 and Mar 23rd.

http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/sp_events/conti/Conti_CashIn_RedemptionForm.pdf

[fireman1867]

Im going to pull the trigger on the Exaltos, bit pricey yes but I'm not sold on the Exlaim UHP for how long they will last?

My question is with the 70,000km limited warranty will it matter if I get the 215 50 and they are not a recommended size for ther car? Has anyone else bought this tire in the plus size?

Also I have read on other forums that these tires seem to a have a noticable break in period? Has anyone else experienced this?

Cheers,

[ChadSpeed]

I got my 215's installed today along with an alignment. The piss poor dealer did an alignment with the suspension recall about 15,000 miles ago, but still the front end was out of toe, odd. The rear camber on the passenger side is at 2.1 negative camber, just a shade away from being out of tolerance. The tolerance for the rear is huge compared to the front, in both toe and camber. The new tires have a 560 treadwear, and A for traction and temp. They are some off brand made by goodyear, but have some other name, they were cheap so if they get ruined like the Toyos I won't be as pissed.

Well I have finally figured out how to solve this issue, its really very simple. After my inept dealer ( Obrien Autopark(pissed), Champaign, Illinois), for the 4th time, forgot to rotate my tires along with the oil change, ended up doing it myself. The key was rotating from left to right as well as back to front. I have always rotated my tires this way for 15 years, the Dealer will not because he of.... well it was something like BS, BS, BS, modern radial. Our 215s are now about 20,000 miles old, and were starting to get the noise back, and I could feel it in the steering wheel a bit. After a proper rotation all is well, hope this works for others.(attn)

[DKaz]

My 5 right now has BF Goodrich g-force Super Sport A/S which the previous owner must have put on, 205/50R17, 400/AA/A UTQG, they seem like very good tires so far, not too much road noise, good grip, good steering response, very stable especially at high speeds. I'd like to go 215 wide tires but I probably have two summer seasons left with these tires, they seem to be good so far!

As for winters, I used Yokohama iG20s last season, great tires. I want to get Michelin Xi2s for the 5 but if it costs too much, I'll probably just get the iG20s again.

Wider tires = increased surface area = increased air resistance, maybe like 2% for every 10mm width you add.

[Mntnbkr]

So has anyone tried the General Altimax HP 215/50r17 on the 5?
I just got a set of the Altimaxs for my Jetta (to replace plugged and aged Yokohama Avids) and they are NICE - VERY very smooth and quiet and although a little soft around the corners (even at 40psi), it is my daily commuter so performance should not be paramount?
So, any feedback on these for the 5?
Also, General is a $50 rebate/gift card through the end of May b/c of the movie Fast and Furious. Is this sale a rare ocurrence or do they offer this with some regularity? I just don't need tires now, but will by fall - I could store them if need be, but prefer not to.
Thanks

[Mntnbkr]

Bump.

Anyone out there have General Altimax HP on their 5?

[richardmayo]

Anyone have an opinion on Kumhos for the 5?

Specifically either the Kumho Ecsta ASX, or the Kumho Solus KH16.

[dan4behr]

I'd be interested in hearing about Kumho tires as well. In addition to the ASX, I've also looked into the LX Platinum.
26000 miles means my OEM Toyos will need replacement in the near future, but it seems as if I've done as well or better than most with that many miles on them..

[richardmayo]

Bump.

Anyone out there have General Altimax HP on their 5?

There's a thread on the Altimax HP athttp://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123723394

I've narrowed my choice down between the General Altimax HP and the Kumho Solus KH16.

Reviews for both are pretty positive, and they're priced with $1 on Tire Rack.

I'm leaning towards the Generals primarily because of the $50 gift card on them.

Thoughts?

[Mntnbkr]

richardmayo-

Thanks for the link.

Here's my (long) weigh-in:

A few weeks ago I was forced, due to a leaky tire, to prematurely replace the tires on my 01 Jetta and went with the General Altimax HP in a 195/65R15 and have been very happy so far. The reviews were/are great, and the profile and the technology features of the tire are cutting edge, and the fantastic pricing is impossible to not consider. I admit they are softer at turn in and in quick maneuver handling than I am used to (even at the fairly high 40psi I am now running) as a past owner of Goodyears, Pirellis, and most recently Yokohamas, but it has not been nor do I think it will be an issue, and I think I can handle a bit of softness in light of the benefits. The tires are like driving on a cloud, they are whisper quiet, they dampen the little and big stuff way better than my Yokos, they are great in the rain (and I expect the same for snow based on the reviews (could not be any worse than the Yokos were in snow)) and they are STICKY tires that rail corners just fine when pushed. If they last 50,000 miles I will be a happy camper and spending a hair more than $250 (after General rebate) installed is no joke to laugh at these days. Again it is only a couple weeks on these tires, but I am very happy so far - more than any past tire purchase.

That all being said, I took the plunge yesterday and ordered the General Altimax HP 215/50R17 (up the one size from the OEM Toyos as others have liked) for our 5. I would like to have owned driven the tires on the Jetta a bit longer to assess, but with the Toyos on the 5 being harsh, unpredictable, unsafe, loud, and almost out of tread (and that I was getting tired of worrying about my wife and kids driving in anything other than dry sunny perfect conditions) and with the General promo ending in a few days, I decided now was as good as any. Again, all said and done installed after rebate for less than $450 - nothing to laugh at. I expect that that the softness negatives will be less of an issue given the lower profile of the 5s tires, so I plan to be a happier 5 owner with the new ride the Altimaxs will give it.

I hope this helps anyone in the same which-tire-to-choose boat I was in.

Cheers,
Dave

[richardmayo]

Thanks for the info, Dave.

I ordered Altimax HPs (215/50R17 as well) from Tire Rack, and they were just delivered to me (2 days!)

I'll have them installed on the wife's 5 tomorrow, and will report back shortly. Her only requirements were 'quieter and less harsh', which I'm thinking is a given, since they're replacing the 4 Sunny 215/45R17 that the previous owner had put on.

[Mntnbkr]

Richard-
Any news on the install?
I just got mine delivered yesterday but will not get them installed until next week (for some reason wife does not place the same level of importance on the new tires that I do - go figure). I was very glad to see the tires have a rim protector rib - should help with future curb brushes- too bad I didn't have since day 1 - the old rims stuck out too far and 3 rashes from the wife later. :(
Anyhow - they look great and can't wait to get them installed - hope you are already enjoying yours.

[bulwnkl]

We just (finally) replaced the unholy loud factory Toyos a week ago. We were considering the General Altimax HP. In fact, that's the tire I really wanted, but I just have no confidence in nor desire to deal with Sears and I'm tired of mail-ordering things like this. I wanted the local contact of a tire dealer here and we've had very good dealings with one of the Big-O shops here in town.

So, we bought Sumitomo Touring LSVs from them in 215/50-17. The difference in noise between these and the factory Toyos is just as dramatic as night and day. With only a week on them, I don't have a really thorough review for the group here, but at this point I'd say they're just better tires in every respect.

Once we have more miles, I'll report back if anything changes, but these look like a very good option for folks who don't want the lack of service and support that mail order brings with it.

[wmzda5]

Ive seen Falken 912's for CAD420 for set of 4 without install at a store in Pmall
size 215/50/17

[richardmayo]

Richard-
Any news on the install?
I just got mine delivered yesterday but will not get them installed until next week (for some reason wife does not place the same level of importance on the new tires that I do - go figure). I was very glad to see the tires have a rim protector rib - should help with future curb brushes- too bad I didn't have since day 1 - the old rims stuck out too far and 3 rashes from the wife later. :(
Anyhow - they look great and can't wait to get them installed - hope you are already enjoying yours.

After about a week with the Altimax, the wife is very happy with them. It's primarily her car, so that's good news for me.

Road noise is down and the ride is softer. I agree with others, the 215/50 size looks like what Mazda should have put on them originally.

So far, seems like a good purchase. I'm interested to see how many miles we get out of them.

All the best.
-Rich