Cobb AP!!! It's orderable on the Cobb website!

[mordant80]

Lookie Lookie! http://www.cobbtuning.com/products/?id=4100

[pidass15]

Omg

[Hapa88]

Omg Omgggomomggg!

[squabbin]

One step ahead of u guys hehe...

[Young Roids]

I can't believe you guys are still excited about this. The gains are virtually non existent.

[MS3077]

OMG onoz

[mazdaspeed32007]

hey only 700 buckaroos.


did you know?!?!?!?!
someone else is coming out with an ecu reflash soon that will fix all of our problems. 200ish ie. CP-E.
now you know!!!!!!!!

(Bill Nye The Science Guy; all rights reserved)

[dkswim]

whoo i forgot we have alll the cobb haters here. if its not it hasnt been releassed they keep pushing it back. now its the gains are too small. or its 700 bucks. pll im happy

[Betelgeuse]

I usually wait on things like this, but I'm so friggin tempted to buy one now. One thing I respect about Cobb is they never rush anything to market. Another is that they're very conservative and consider longevity in their tunes.

Guys let's not turn this into another Cobb vs CP-E thread. I think most of us know both and what they offer, no need for the 'my tuner has a bigger d*ck than your tuner' arguments.

[Young Roids]

whoo i forgot we have alll the cobb haters here. if its not it hasnt been releassed they keep pushing it back. now its the gains are too small. or its 700 bucks. pll im happy

Dude what part of their own dynos didn't you get? They lost 1hp compared to a stock ecu using their short ram intake.

I will buy a cobb product if it works. Their intake looks to be the best on the market, put me down for one. Their AP produced no results so I will hate all I want.

[ZooZoom]

poor souls that don't understand the true benefits of owning an AccessPort.

It ain't for the Stage 1 results alone (or absence thereof). Its for Stage 2, real-time gauge readouts, CEL reads/clearing, Valet Mode, Hi-Mileage Mode, eventually custom ProTuning, the ability to download & reflash your current OEM map for warranty purposes.


you gotta see the "big picture" here. and I'd still bet that the Stage 1 map provides some improvements over the OEM map even if it doesn't translate into hp gains. things like e-throttle mapping (not the plate control shit, but the drive-by-wire reaction rate), better AFRs for improved gas mileage, etc.

[Betelgeuse]

Dude what part of their own dynos didn't you get? They lost 1hp compared to a stock ecu using their short ram intake.

I will buy a cobb product if it works. Their intake looks to be the best on the market, put me down for one. Their AP produced no results so I will hate all I want.

http://www.cobbtuning.com/products/?id=4100

Just curious, where did you see this 1 hp lost? The link above is from their website and it definitely shows a gain on even a bone stock car.

[dkswim]

he's refering to the fact that there are no evaluations of the stock vs. stock ecu+sf intake vs. AP+sf intake.

[xandrake]

This thing looks good. I was excited until I found out I can't tune the damn thing. If you're stuck using their basemaps and have a problem you just bought an expensive boost gauge until that software comes out (and you can afford it). /shrug

[squabbin]

You can take it to a cobb authorized tuning location which there are several across the country for some custom tuning. Even when the streetpro software comes out I still have no intention of tuning my own car, i'll leave that to the pros.

[iBoost]

(gossip)
So anyone got one yet?

[squabbin]

Waiting for SU to ship it, supposed to be today from what I've gathered.

[mordant80]

I'm looking forward to hearing butt dyno results from the folks that will be running the stage 1 map + intake. Anyone put any thought as to where they'll be puting the AP for the reatime info? I'm thinking of a universal GPS mount suction cupped to the winshield on the lower lefthand side.

[Shane5425]

cool, i am gonna wait for end user results, plus i have MSCAI, so i have to wait for approval from cobb that it works..

[dkswim]

thats a great pic iBoost

[silversurfer513]

This thing looks good. I was excited until I found out I can't tune the damn thing. If you're stuck using their basemaps and have a problem you just bought an expensive boost gauge until that software comes out (and you can afford it). /shrug

Given what has come out about how insanely complex this ECU is I think it would be in your best interest to NOT tune this car yourself. But once the StreetTuner software does come out I cant wait for the obligatory "DUDE! Cobb blew my car up!!! OH noEs!!"

[aaronc7]

I will hopefully have mine today. SU is supposedly shipping them today...but I'm gonna drive there and pick it up.

[iBoost]

I will hopefully have mine today. SU is supposedly shipping them today...but I'm gonna drive there and pick it up.

great, let us know how you like it asap (naughty)


thats a great pic iBoost

Thanks.. considering i was behind the wheel myself it came out pretty good lol.

[funkyman]

OK usning a Cobb AP how do you professionally ,reliably custom tune an MS3 with CAI,DP,RP and PG manifold in Fort Lauderdale:-) without worriying about it being blown up by the tuners.:-):mad:Nobody in the USA has too much exp[erience with a DISI turbo engine in general i mean.

[ZooZoom]

OK usning a Cobb AP how do you professionally ,reliably custom tune an MS3 with CAI,DP,RP and PG manifold in Fort Lauderdale:-) without worriying about it being blown up by the tuners.:-):mad:

Generally speaking, you get a custom-tuned map for your AP by paying the services of an approved (Cobb trained & certified) user of ProTuner software. This is different than the StreetTuner version (very much the same however) for the avid individual willing to risk DIY garage/road tuning.

The owner/tuner at whatever shop you use has the ProTuner software on a laptop PC. The PC is connected to the ECU via the same harness device to the OBDII port under the dash.

The tuner then makes whatever adjustments deemed correct (fueling tables, timing tables, etc. etc.) to work best with the specific car setup. The ProTuner software itself is rather intelligent and uses an embedded coding feature within each table that changes the values in Red/Yellow/Green based on the "safety rating" of the values input. I've seen this in action and its a really cool feature.

Ultimately, however, the risk of major damage is still a very real possibility and is 100% the responsibility of the tuner. Of course, every tuner that I know makes the car owner sign a legal release form for any damage that may occur. So really it's the car owner's risk.

But the rewards of getting a good ProTune are very real. I know firsthand as a former Subie owner that had close to a half-dozen different ProTunes done on my highly modded 2005 Legacy GT.

[haberdashery]

what the hell, wheres their turboback and front mount?!! they always release them together

[funkyman]

One of you fellow forum volunteerers might want to initiate a group buy,what do say?

[funkyman]

Ok as usual they have avoided or have not adressed the key problem issues of this MS3 ECU with the fuel delivery,fuel pressure and boost limiter on the 1st and second gears.Does the AP allow full controll on that drive by wire system with the stock ECU,since this stock ECU has the habit of auto calibrating itself when you alter the variances,kind of like a hardware relay chip.

[PeterC]

Ok as usual they have avoided or have not adressed the key problem issues of this MS3 ECU with the fuel delivery,fuel pressure and boost limiter on the 1st and second gears.Does the AP allow full controll on that drive by wire system with the stock ECU,since this stock ECU has the habit of auto calibrating itself when you alter the variances,kind of like a hardware relay chip.

This is from the product page:

"Controlling aspects such as boost and throttle position, throughout each gear selection, ensures that you have maximum power and maximum traction for enhanced daily driving!"

So, my guess is that they are limiting power in 1st and 2nd just like the stock map.

[funkyman]

This is from the product page:

"Controlling aspects such as boost and throttle position, throughout each gear selection, ensures that you have maximum power and maximum traction for enhanced daily driving!"

So, my guess is that they are limiting power in 1st and 2nd just like the stock map.

Increasing the boost is no doubt going to create fuel pressure and delivery problems ,so can the fuel pressure be controlled too,or rather the cam driven fuel pump be instructed to deliver and sustain pressure levels at a given boost etc.

[aaronc7]

They have had zero fueling problems with intake/TBE/FMIC and they get really cold temps out in SLC

[funkyman]

Looking at the dyno from stock 224 at wheels to 240`sh stage 2 is not too much of a gain considering you can almost get that with a DP,RP Cai combo so to add the cobb to such a combo should deliver 260-275 really for it to be actually worth while or have a decent appeal.Am i right?What i am saying is that 700usd worth of Exhaust and intake mods provide such gains as 20-30hp do they not?Unless all the aftmrkt comps have lying dynos:-)

[aaronc7]

Peak numbers arent super impressive as the turbo is being pushing pretty hard at this point, you should get good power in the existing power band though, and torque sooner. I should have it today or tomorrow I hope!

[PeterC]

Looking at the dyno from stock 224 at wheels to 240`sh stage 2 is not too much of a gain considering you can almost get that with a DP,RP Cai combo so to add the cobb to such a combo should deliver 260-275 really for it to be actually worth while or have a decent appeal.Am i right?What i am saying is that 700usd worth of Exhaust and intake mods provide such gains as 20-30hp do they not?Unless all the aftmrkt comps have lying dynos:-)

Yes, but without tuning to go with those mods there is no telling what effect they might have on your engine. We have already seen one post of a dead engine running with just bolt-on mods...this is clearly not a simple engine. If you want reliability and some extra power, I think Cobb is a safer choice. I'm sure others will disagree.

[ZooZoom]

I will be buying my AP in about a month, when my annual bonus is paid. Or a bit sooner if my damned IRS check shows up first.

I already have the Cobb SF intake on. And I did a DynoJet dyno run a few months ago with this exact setup - including my ETS alum TMIC.

So I will be able to report results for the Stage 1+ map for 91 oct gas.

My exhaust is currently (today) fully stock TBE. I will be installing my long-awaited Corksport mid-pipe this weekend. So that has the potential to cloud the dyno results somewhat.

But frankly, I don't care. I'm not doing this "for the sake of science." (naughty)

[Young Roids]

poor souls that don't understand the true benefits of owning an AccessPort.

It ain't for the Stage 1 results alone (or absence thereof). Its for Stage 2, real-time gauge readouts, CEL reads/clearing, Valet Mode, Hi-Mileage Mode, eventually custom ProTuning, the ability to download & reflash your current OEM map for warranty purposes.


you gotta see the "big picture" here. and I'd still bet that the Stage 1 map provides some improvements over the OEM map even if it doesn't translate into hp gains. things like e-throttle mapping (not the plate control shit, but the drive-by-wire reaction rate), better AFRs for improved gas mileage, etc.
That's like saying you bought the MS3 for it's nice interior. We all know what this is really about, horsepower and by the looks of it AP doesn't deliver.

http://www.cobbtuning.com/products/?id=4100

Just curious, where did you see this 1 hp lost? The link above is from their website and it definitely shows a gain on even a bone stock car.
They get 11hp from a car with just their intake. Then with their stage 1 AND that same intake they net only 10hp. So they lose power with a stage 1. Well then it looks like I will keep my stage zero.

I will be buying my AP in about a month, when my annual bonus is paid. Or a bit sooner if my damned IRS check shows up first.

I already have the Cobb SF intake on. And I did a DynoJet dyno run a few months ago with this exact setup - including my ETS alum TMIC.

So I will be able to report results for the Stage 1+ map for 91 oct gas.

My exhaust is currently (today) fully stock TBE. I will be installing my long-awaited Corksport mid-pipe this weekend. So that has the potential to cloud the dyno results somewhat.

But frankly, I don't care. I'm not doing this "for the sake of science." (naughty)

I was excited for a second then I read that you were gonna do a mid pipe as well. Consider you dyno 100% usless for determining wheather the AP makes power.

[mordant80]

They get 11hp from a car with just their intake. Then with their stage 1 AND that same intake they net only 10hp. So they lose power with a stage 1. Well then it looks like I will keep my stage zero.

Again... where did you see this?? I'm seeing that the stage one + intake offers +6.6% HP / +8.6% lb. ft. So... 263 x .066 = 17.358. Sure it's not much but it's not less.

One thing I'm not sure of though, is the 6.6% gain compared to bone stock or would it be compared to the hp you get with the intake without the AP?

[Shane5425]

look at the dyno graph, yes it is not alot of peak power gain.. but look how much sooner you get the power... that in itself will make the car feel so much better..

[funkyman]

Can we put our own map with this and increase boost in 1st and 2nd gears.We need a stage 3 map to be honest.

[ZooZoom]

I will be buying my AP in about a month, when my annual bonus is paid. Or a bit sooner if my damned IRS check shows up first.

I already have the Cobb SF intake on. And I did a DynoJet dyno run a few months ago with this exact setup - including my ETS alum TMIC.

So I will be able to report results for the Stage 1+ map for 91 oct gas.

My exhaust is currently (today) fully stock TBE. I will be installing my long-awaited Corksport mid-pipe this weekend. So that has the potential to cloud the dyno results somewhat.

But frankly, I don't care. I'm not doing this "for the sake of science." (naughty)




Okay, let me restate my plan. IF (big IF) I can work a deal with Yimi Motorsports to let me do a few dyno pulls first with the stock mid-pipe back on, then putting the CS mid-pipe back on and doing a few more dyno pulls for a fair price......then I will contribute for the "sake of science."

If I can pull that plan off, it will accomplish two things:

1. Gains from AP alone
2. Gains from CS mid-pipe alone

(stooges)

[squabbin]

Okay, let me restate my plan. IF (big IF) I can work a deal with Yimi Motorsports to let me do a few dyno pulls first with the stock mid-pipe back on, then putting the CS mid-pipe back on and doing a few more dyno pulls for a fair price......then I will contribute for the "sake of science."

If I can pull that plan off, it will accomplish two things:

1. Gains from AP alone
2. Gains from CS mid-pipe alone

(stooges)

ZooZoom if you could somehow out of the kindness of your heart manage to do this both for yourself and the rest of us it would be much appreciated. I already have an AP on the way so my inquiry is more for the CS Mid-pipe gains however others i'm sure will want to know both. Good Luck!

[aaronc7]

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u65/aaronc7/Mazdaspeed%203/IMG_2968.jpg

[Young Roids]

Again... where did you see this?? I'm seeing that the stage one + intake offers +6.6% HP / +8.6% lb. ft. So... 263 x .066 = 17.358. Sure it's not much but it's not less.

One thing I'm not sure of though, is the 6.6% gain compared to bone stock or would it be compared to the hp you get with the intake without the AP?

I will try and dig it up. It was a dyno from cobb themselves.

[Young Roids]

Quote from Josh!
"The peak power numbers for these graphs are as follows:
Stock = 247 ft. lb. TQ / 212 WHP
Stage1 + SF = 267 ft. lb. TQ / 222 WHP (20 WTQ, +10WHP)
Stage2 + SF Intake = 279 ft. lb. TQ / 232 WHP” (32WTQ, +20 WHP)"

[iBoost]

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u65/aaronc7/Mazdaspeed%203/IMG_2968.jpg

(321fu) ....*wait, wrong one*..... (yippy)

[mazdaspeed32007]

haha i know where you keep your wallet now. im going to steal your money. haha. you have no money and im rich. coincidence? i think not.

[iBoost]

haha i know where you keep your wallet now. im going to steal your money. haha. you have no money and im rich. coincidence? i think not.

That wallet doesnt have any money in it - it all went on the Cobb AP lol.

[PeterC]

The peak numbers might not have changed all that much, but look at how long that power is held. Look at Stage 2 PLUS...right there you are looking at a huge difference in how the car will drive.

[frito]

I wonder how you back out the drive train loss and if you can do this linearly or approximate it as such. If you say that the drivtrain loss is found by 263/212=1.24 then 1.24*232= 287hp and for torque 280/247=1.13 then 1.13*279 = 315.

So the car specs would be 287 HP / 315 Ft Lbs and that is not at all bad.

[PeterC]

Quote from Josh!
"The peak power numbers for these graphs are as follows:
Stock = 247 ft. lb. TQ / 212 WHP
Stage1 + SF = 267 ft. lb. TQ / 222 WHP (20 WTQ, +10WHP)
Stage2 + SF Intake = 279 ft. lb. TQ / 232 WHP” (32WTQ, +20 WHP)"

Well those numbers are obviously out of date because the official product page says +6.6% HP / +8.6% lb. ft. So, the calculations are:

Stage 1 PLUS = +21 lb. ft. and +14 HP
Stock + SRI = +16 lb. ft. and +11 HP

http://www.accessecu.com/accessport/mazda/07-08MS3Maps.html
http://www.cobbtuning.com/products/?id=3483

Not that this is a huge gain, but the torque curve is also better than just the SRI alone. Not sure if I can justify $700 for it though.

[edit] Actually, the more I think about it, the more I realize this is really nothing to write home about at all. The Subies get much better results from ECU tuning. I guess the MS3 is really tapped as far as the ECU is concerned.

[Demi]

[edit] Actually, the more I think about it, the more I realize this is really nothing to write home about at all. The Subies get much better results from ECU tuning. I guess the MS3 is really tapped as far as the ECU is concerned.
I wouldnt say so as rich as this thing runs. The "Extreme" Speed3 netting 30whp from a tune if i remember correctly. Im thinking that these are pretty conservative tunes. I guess we will see as people take theirs in to get tuned as apposed to the base maps.

[Shane5425]

we are gonna have to start a Data base of tunes with Mods listed in a discription so we can go and download ones that have similiar mods..

[Mspeed3]

Im gonna wait till protuner software comes out because I dont have a cobb sri and I want a tune custom to my car and mods for maximum results

[MS3077]

Well those numbers are obviously out of date because the official product page says +6.6% HP / +8.6% lb. ft. So, the calculations are:

Stage 1 PLUS = +21 lb. ft. and +14 HP
Stock + SRI = +16 lb. ft. and +11 HP

http://www.accessecu.com/accessport/mazda/07-08MS3Maps.html
http://www.cobbtuning.com/products/?id=3483

Not that this is a huge gain, but the torque curve is also better than just the SRI alone. Not sure if I can justify $700 for it though.

[edit] Actually, the more I think about it, the more I realize this is really nothing to write home about at all. The Subies get much better results from ECU tuning. I guess the MS3 is really tapped as far as the ECU is concerned.


I'm pretty sure it's +16HP and +11 lb. ft.

I think you're getting the HP and TQ numbers backwards

[PeterC]

I'm pretty sure it's +16HP and +11 lb. ft.

I think you're getting the HP and TQ numbers backwards

http://www.cobbtuning.com/products/?id=3483

[Young Roids]

Well those numbers are obviously out of date because the official product page says +6.6% HP / +8.6% lb. ft. So, the calculations are:

Stage 1 PLUS = +21 lb. ft. and +14 HP
Stock + SRI = +16 lb. ft. and +11 HP

http://www.accessecu.com/accessport/mazda/07-08MS3Maps.html
http://www.cobbtuning.com/products/?id=3483

Not that this is a huge gain, but the torque curve is also better than just the SRI alone. Not sure if I can justify $700 for it though.

[edit] Actually, the more I think about it, the more I realize this is really nothing to write home about at all. The Subies get much better results from ECU tuning. I guess the MS3 is really tapped as far as the ECU is concerned.


Thank You! Peterc. Someone has finally came to their senses about this thing
. I know you were all waiting and waiting for this AP to work miracles on the MS3. Well, turns out it didn't. The Piasini flash might be what we are looking for. Initial graphs look promising but I haven't seen any real proof yet(hopefully we will have some soon.). So untill then I think that there are much better options to choose with $700 than the AP. I am not trying to bash COBB for the sake of bashing them I think their intake is the best on on the market but this AP did not deliver.

[Betelgeuse]

IMO, it's way too early to say the AP did not deliver. And If I buy that AP, it's not just for the peak hp either. It's for the entire package: the ability to monitor my car, the ability to flash and not butcher the wiring harness, the antitheft feature, to tune it later if I decide to add more mods and of course the improved hp/tq curve. Whoever said the curves don't matter must be smoking something. And improved curve can make a car with the same peak hp/tq feel like a completely different machine.

[MS3077]

http://www.cobbtuning.com/products/?id=3483

Cobb Tuning SF Short Ram Intake System
Application: Mazdaspeed 3
Years: 2007 and up
Part Number: 771500

Netting a + 11 lb. ft. and + 16 HP, the COBB Tuning SF Intake for the Mazdaspeed 3 utilizes a custom CFD design to maintain optimal flow and generate ideal performance. The OEM MazdaSpeed 3 airbox is the most restrictive stock intake we have seen to date. Simply replacing it with the COBB Intake will allow your MazdaSpeed3 safe and consistent power gains!

[PeterC]

Where are you seeing that? The link I gave to Cobb's site says the exact opposite.

[MS3077]

Where are you seeing that? The link I gave to Cobb's site says the exact opposite.

That was off of Street Units website. I guess they're wrong.. opps

[stefano18]

I am confused about something
this is for stage 1 with intake

Boost Targets: ~17.6psi peak boost
pressure tapering down to ~7psi by the 6700 RPM redline, +/-
1.5psi.
does this mean you only get 7psi at redline? or does it drop 7psi by redline?
also what does the ms3 do stock for psi at redline? I don't have a boost gauge..

[Demi]

I think it means it drops to 7. I will have to check tomorrow but boost falls off hard past 5500. In Turbo they had a similar issue with the Evo X and installed a high end boost controller to hold boost all the way to the redline. I wonder if anyone has installed an HKS controller and what they have found.

[smakdown61]

They purposely reduce the boost that much. This turbo at high rpm's = flame thrower if at high boost. Hot air = potential damage. I would NOT do anything to try and make this turbo hold boost to redline...it just physically can't.

[stefano18]

I see, but has any one checked what are cars are doing stock for PSI at redline?? I would check but don't have a boost gauge

[NortzideMS3GT]

about 7-8 psi right at 6500


My solution, shift 2-3 3-4 around 5700, before the boost lowers.

[mazdaspeed32007]

you actually want to go a little past where the boost lowers to get the rpm's higher for the next shift so your not low in your rpm range in the next gear. as long as your turbo is spooled within a reasonable boost range you should be fine.

[LtTroyer]

Sub

[funkyman]

So far the CObb AP is a waist of money period ,so they better come up with better gains than flimsy 10hp for 700usd,my PG manifold and CAI alone provide 20-22hp to the wheels are you guys out of your flippin heads or something.An Ecu tune is supposed to deliver at least 70-80hp to the wheels with supporting mods like DP TP manifold etc.That would be stage2-3,so as a community we expect a better tune or effort.

[Demi]

Well thats my big question, how does it work as a tuning solution? Obviously you can control boost and redline, but how much control over fuel and stuff does this actually give you? Wasnt that the big deal with the standback not being the end all be all tuning device? If the control is there then the tune comes down to the tuner, though i will admit that 10 hp or so is kinda silly on a car that runs this rich.

[dread]

There is not control until the release the street tuner software. All you can do is switch between the maps they already supplied.

[gbalanced]

Ok, first of all this is their initial tune. If you look at the other cars on their like the STi you can see that they have been through 4 to 11 updated MAP's, which is probably why they gain 10-15% power/tq. But it's not just about the peak hp/tq gains, or it definitely makes it not worth the money at all. It's the gains across most of the rev range, the economy mode (which if you read about the map should bump up our average fuel mileage anywhere between 2-5mpg) and the launch control that is sure to be released with the next map.

I definitely want to hear back from the people who have already put this on their car. I want to see some real dyno's, actual improvements in mpg, and know if you can really feel the difference. I think that Cobb is just being conservative with their gains because they don't want people to buy the Accessport and then file a suit or complain about how it didn't give them 80 tq to the ground. From what I have seen from the dyno's posted on here, an intake alone brings you up to the gains they talk about from the stage1+. I have no doubt in my mind that, with an intake and the Accessport, we will be seeing ms3's with at least 300hp to the crank.

So hurry up people. Post some results. I want to order mine, too!

[dread]

I have stage one with ms cai all is running well. Much smoother car feels lighter although there isn't that much more power now. Definately easier to drive more like a powerful v6 than a turbo 4. I am pleased with the results.

[Mspeed3]

wow didnt know if these maps would work with MS CAI

[MS3077]

Wasn't there a stop sale on the MS CAI?

[funkyman]

As i said,unless an electronic tuning product worth 700usd gives at least 40-50hp to a turbo charged car that is already 260hp stock, then it is not worth 700usd end of discussion.Open it up again when there are convincing or rather significant gains like 50hp to the wheel.No point playing around with the ECU for a flimsy 10-15hp.:-)

[JoseloSpeed3]

As i said,unless an electronic tuning product worth 700usd gives at least 40-50hp to a turbo charged car that is already 260hp stock, then it is not worth 700usd end of discussion.Open it up again when there are convincing or rather significant gains like 50hp to the wheel.No point playing around with the ECU for a flimsy 10-15hp.:-)


50 hp?? Wow kid get a life....the car is a 4 cyl turbo not an inline six turbo charged or a v8 supercharged. All you think about is speed, you are retarded, you have to think about the cars driveability and that after about 320 hp you need other supporting mods. So stop complaining and wait with patience for cobbs follow up tune...........shit.

[Young Roids]

As i said,unless an electronic tuning product worth 700usd gives at least 40-50hp to a turbo charged car that is already 260hp stock, then it is not worth 700usd end of discussion.Open it up again when there are convincing or rather significant gains like 50hp to the wheel.No point playing around with the ECU for a flimsy 10-15hp.:-)
I agree mainly. If this thing produced 30whp I would call it good. But it didn't give us anywhere near 30 so I call it crap.

[Demi]

Rome wasnt built in a day gentlemen. Lets all calm down a smidge amd give these guy some time to perfect their product. They were under then gun to get it out and we have no idea what this thing can do with out the software and some field tuning.

[dkswim]

i got it installed today nice gains really got rid of that off/on feel i used to have when your trying to accellarate briskfully but not get into boost. it feels faster not extramly faster, but better non the less. ill have to give it some time to learn but im happy with it.

[nig3]

has anyone tried this with CAI and TBE yet?? Im curious what it would do for me, because i put down 280whp and 322wtq with my TBE, CAI and boost set at 17 psi. I wonder if i could still run 17psi with the cobb AP??????

[zilch321]

has anyone tried this with CAI and TBE yet?? Im curious what it would do for me, because i put down 280whp and 322wtq with my TBE, CAI and boost set at 17 psi. I wonder if i could still run 17psi with the cobb AP??????

What kind of fuel management are you using to archive this?

[aaronc7]

cobb stage 2 is set at 17.6 psi

[dread]

Wasn't there a stop sale on the MS CAI?

yes

[MS3077]

has anyone tried this with CAI and TBE yet?? Im curious what it would do for me, because i put down 280whp and 322wtq with my TBE, CAI and boost set at 17 psi. I wonder if i could still run 17psi with the cobb AP??????

Damn Nig! Those are some nice #'s. Have you ever taken her to the track?

[aaronc7]

has anyone tried this with CAI and TBE yet?? Im curious what it would do for me, because i put down 280whp and 322wtq with my TBE, CAI and boost set at 17 psi. I wonder if i could still run 17psi with the cobb AP??????

any issues wtih fuel? do you have an upgraded cdfp?

[funkyman]

I got all the supporting mods under the sun plus you don`t need an AP to up the boost and get the same HP right?However i would like to see a stage 2 on 93 octane with CAI DP RP and turbo manifold.

Stage 2 is 10hp extra not 285.Those must be crank figures it says+10hp next to the map downloads.285hp my butt.I would like to see some Cobb AP owner on this forum show me on a Mustang Dynamometer 280hp to the wheels with 17.5 psi stock with only a CAI and 91 octane fuel and i`ll bow down to them.285 and piggs fly.
Show me real life dynos from owners,not dash hawk or some colourfull software computer charts.

[Boosted333]

I plan on dynoing mine, I just got a Cobb Accessport and i'm already running the Cobb SRI. I put it on Stage1+ and it seemed to run a little harder, definitely noticed it spool up quicker and harder, not "too much" more power overall but I wasn't expecting a miracle. When I dyno it I'll post up the figures, with A/F of course.

[UHATEIT]

people on this site are obsessed with abbreviations! (ap, vta, tbe, tpe, cbe, sri, dp) why not just spell out the words!

[dread]

every site is the same way, it takes too long to spell everything out. Learn the abbreviations. I am sure there are threads about it.

[gbalanced]

Getting mine Wednesday. If people don't post up some dyno's soon, I may be looking into doing it myself. Plus I'm curious to see where I'm at. Unfortunately, I didn't get a baseline before the MS CAI, but what can you do, right?

[dkswim]

well you can always revert back to stock. in the time it would take to load the ap you could change out the stock to cai. just remove the front bumper before you get on the dyno and they start charging you time.

[blacksheepms3]

guinea pigs! hehehe i salute you! tnx.

[x SpEeD 3 x]

I feel that the gas milage is a bit better, but i dont understand why the ap only has the stages with 91 octane? ever since i installed this thing, my car has been sluggish, not launching like it use to...i installed stage 1 + sf. only thing i have on my car is just the cobb sri

[Boosted333]

Same setup as me... SRI and AP. I think a lot of it is mental. It feels slower around town but in reality i think its smoother. That "hit" from instant boost at 1/3rd throttle is gone because maybe boost is kicking in sooner. WOT for me feels better, spool time is quicker. I dunno, but the dyno will tell.

I have noticed my exhaust tip is pure BLACK now.... it always had some soot but wow... maybe its running too rich in spots, again we'll see what the dyno and a/f meter says.

[knowledge007]

I have a question? Doesn't the ECU log the date that reflash has been uploaded to the ECU? For instance if I change the map today and need to go to the dealer tomorrow, won't it show that the ECU has been tampered with showing the date of 05/29/2008?

[knowledge007]

Whats the matter guys noone can confirm or answer my friggin question?

[xandrake]

Whats the matter guys noone can confirm or answer my friggin question?

Patience, Daniel son....

[Boosted333]

I am now a Beta-Tester for the Accessport, working with Christian @ Cobb and Chris SK @ EFI Logics / XXTuning.

This evening I have loaded the Stage1+ SF_91octane v.101 tune (running 93 octane here on the east coast) and it is definitely an improvement over the v.100 that the AP came with. Tomorrow Chris and I are dynoing my '08 MS3 on the Dynapacks to get my stock baseline numbers, numbers for v.100 and the numbers for v.101 Boost and A/F will be recorded as well.

All I have done for mods at the moment is Cobb's intake and I am very impressed with how much quicker boost comes on, the power increase, and the increased power up near 6000 rpm compared to the stock tune.

[gbalanced]

Speaking as a tech for a well-known Mercedes dealer you need not worry about it. I may not be able to give an insight on how Mazda runs things, but it's not really something a technician would care about. The worst thing that could happen is that the guy working on your car would find a newer software update via Mazda corp. and then overwrite your tune. Sometimes I seriously think that most the people on car forums seriously over-estimate the determination and attention to detail of dealers/techs. This isn't CSI people. We are all just trying to make a paycheck out there. Since we are commission, we don't really go wasting our time digging around in stuff like that. Granted there may be some Mr.GoodyTwoShoes out there with the suspicion and willingness to look into things to try to catch people, but they are few and far between.

[SharkDiver]

I have a question? Doesn't the ECU log the date that reflash has been uploaded to the ECU? For instance if I change the map today and need to go to the dealer tomorrow, won't it show that the ECU has been tampered with showing the date of 05/29/2008?

If you put your stock map on that you downloaded on your first install you will be fine..And anyways the techs dont look at all the stuff anyways,They just plug it into a program thing and let it do its thing.

[gbalanced]

That's sweet that you can really feel the difference in the new tune vs. the old one. Be sure to tell them to add a launch control with the release, if possible. Can't wait to see the results :)

[zoom-zoomhatch]

Is it possible that all the people claiming that thier cars are slower are just dissapointed witht the results of the mod pull wise? Say you bought a part and were expecting x results and realisticaly got x results and through whatever effect something just tells you it doesn't even feel as fast as it was and definatly as fast as you wanted it to be.

[AjaxUSA]

so is the COBB SRI worth getting by itself? Forget the AP, how do you guys (that have the SRI) feel about the SRI on yor cars? I am NOT buying the AP, so is the SRI worth it as a minor upgrade? If so, should I remove it everytime i go to the dealer for service or will that mess my car up (sorryguys, Im new to Turbo...Im from the old V8 school).

[dkswim]

SRI worthwile and if dealer is unfriendly to mods the sri is the better option beacuse there is no aproved intakes now days. the sri is eizer to uninstall then the cai.

[ZooMIN3]

so, what's up with these dyno graphs....lol