Piasini Flash installed

[magoo]

Just a heads up guys. I had the ECU read last week and the piasini flash downloaded. Im # 3 car in OZ to have this flash and the results are very good. Car has more torque and I had a comparison drive (test on private road (sssh)) against an OZ car with performance stats of 0-62mph (0-100kmh) of 5.4 and 1/4 of 13.5 standard. Tested towards end of 3rd gear. results - 1 -2 wheelspin, third hooked up. Stayed within a foot of neck and neck and pulled even in third. Pretty happy with this as I had total wheel spin in 1- 2 while he hooked up from start. This other car also posts traps of around 106-108mph in Aussie car mag tests. Would have pulled in forth Maybe.

I dont even have an exhaust or MM (next on mod list).

[Oldcabin]

before and after dynos?

[redspeed]

How high can you rev it up?

[magoo]

holds power higher up than b4 that is certain. It dosent hit that wall from 5500 onwards, I would now shift intentionally over 6k as there is power there now.

[mazdaspeed32007]

whats this paisini flash? i know the name paisini from somehwere but dont remember....something to do with italian cars maybe? idk....anyway where did you get this done? was it a piggyback program or soemthing?

[AutoXRacer]

Dyno plots would be nice...

[AutoXRacer]

whats this paisini flash? i know the name paisini from somehwere but dont remember....something to do with italian cars maybe? idk....anyway where did you get this done? was it a piggyback program or soemthing?

Its a reflash done to your ECU/PCM. It completely wipes out your factory tune and replaces it with a performance tune. No piggy backs or additional equipment used. Just plug into your ECU/PCM and uploads new software/tune.

The only issue is that you can't return to stock and if you get any dealer work done on your car like a factory ECU/PCM reflash, it will erase your performance reflash...

Its not in the states (US) yet...

[Shane5425]

is the regular 3 ecu the same ecu as the speed, with differant programming??

wouldtn mind getting one off ebay and getting it pisani flashed and swaping them out..

[AutoXRacer]

is the regular 3 ecu the same ecu as the speed, with differant programming??

NO!!

[Shane5425]

ok.. just wondering..

[Rotus8]

Actually, it's pretty similar. Same case, same connectors, same model processor inside. Almost all of the wiring is the same. It certainly has much different software installed and has a different part number. It would be interesting to try to see if the differences are really just software, of if there is anything else. The direct injection may have different drivers or something.

[magoo]

Hey there,

The Piasini claim for the flash is around 80NM or 60LBS/FT of torque and 35-40hp atw. The difference is midrange and completely throughout the powerband. People are always chasing peak power gains which is stupid, what you need is solid gains that are usable and that is what you get. Compared to the so-called gains from exhausts/cai/fmic/tmic this is much more noticeable (real). The 30-40hp gains claimed for some of those products are shown up as BS when you feel a true hp gain. All I can give you compared to stock is the comparison run against a car that I wouldnt have touched previously (on first post). Power is held much higher in rev range and I find my self trading shifts with the cars I run, rather than short shifting as previously.

What I can tell you is that "rumour has it" CP-E have the flash in their hands in the US and are going to distribute it partnered to their other products. When a distribution network is in place you will be able to have the car flashed back to stock for dealer visits etc. This is provided no-charge to us here in OZ. A SA car racing team have the flash and are assisting developement which will mean a further improved flash and several flashes will be available in future to suit your state of tune.

Cheers from Australia

[SSMS3]

Sounds promising and look at that...POWER AT 6K !!

[Shane5425]

I just wish we could have a way to not have to send our ecu off to them to get it flashed..

[magoo]

Send cp-e a message. Its a rumour at this stage but my source is well informed. Test the waters.

[SwampAss]

Send cp-e a message. Its a rumour at this stage but my source is well informed. Test the waters.

I heard something similar. As in a few weeks out.

[shaodome]

How are the gains being obtained? Since the factory ECU controls boost are they just increasing it and changing the boost cut or are these ignition/fuel trims or both? Any ecu modification shrouded in secrecy does not get my vote at all.

I've been tuning standalones for years now and I want to be damn sure I know what is going on in terms of ignition timing, fuel and boost before pushing further on others claims.

[4thStroke]

Its been mentioned before (in another thread) that fuel, timing, and boost are all adjusted.

EDIT* Here's whats been mentioned about it.


Piasini created the reflash tuning the AFR by adjusting the ECU's hard core data like fuel, timing, ignition, etc. Exactly what was done is not sure but has proven effective on several MPS3's.

[magoo]

Fuel/Timing/Boost etc. I can tell you that boost isnt raised more than 2 psi or so. Most gains are found in fine tuning timing/Fueling, they havent gone very extreme with the tune and have left it on the rich side (dont have afr for you sorry). The "boost ramping?" is changed also and the car comes on boost slightly quicker and more agressively. They basically have the ability to change TC and everything if they desire and more will in the pipeline.

[boost_me]

ehh i will stick to my factory flash/cam driven fuel pump recall.. i got done last week..

car is different now... i hit redline now with no "fall on your face" side effects.. but ehh.. just my opinion, like asswholes... well you know the rest.

[ericrapp]

ehh i will stick to my factory flash/cam driven fuel pump recall.. i got done last week..

car is different now... i hit redline now with no "fall on your face" side effects.. but ehh.. just my opinion, like asswholes... well you know the rest.

Please pm me sir if you would.

[magoo]

No offence but why would you compare your factory update and a full reflash??(braindead. Not trying to start anything but wtf?

[Mid_Life_Crisis]

No offense but why would you compare your factory update and a full reflash??(braindead. Not trying to start anything but wtf?

Because he got enough of an improvement to make him happy (key words being improvement and happy) with his car and has absolutely zero potential headaches ecu-wise if he has to bring the car in for work. Plus it cost him nothing but time.

[07speed3]

a little off topic here...sorry, but why are these cars so hard to tune?
I had a DH(edge evo) in my truck and for $300 i could almost tune everything and that was not a piggy back it reflashed the ECU just like what they did with this guys car...

[Sacrilicious]

Hey there,

The Piasini claim for the flash is around 80NM or 60LBS/FT of torque and 35-40hp atw. The difference is midrange and completely throughout the powerband. People are always chasing peak power gains which is stupid, what you need is solid gains that are usable and that is what you get. Compared to the so-called gains from exhausts/cai/fmic/tmic this is much more noticeable (real). The 30-40hp gains claimed for some of those products are shown up as BS when you feel a true hp gain. All I can give you compared to stock is the comparison run against a car that I wouldnt have touched previously (on first post). Power is held much higher in rev range and I find my self trading shifts with the cars I run, rather than short shifting as previously.

What I can tell you is that "rumour has it" CP-E have the flash in their hands in the US and are going to distribute it partnered to their other products. When a distribution network is in place you will be able to have the car flashed back to stock for dealer visits etc. This is provided no-charge to us here in OZ. A SA car racing team have the flash and are assisting developement which will mean a further improved flash and several flashes will be available in future to suit your state of tune.

Cheers from Australia

the problem i've always had with that dyno pic from piasini is that it looks like no stock US ms3 i know of. it holds power past 6krpm, and that's not how our car works here...=/ as many have speculated, there must be a difference in the ECU of the aussie spec MS3, because that just doesn't make any sense...

[AutoXRacer]

IIRC, there is a difference in the Aussie speced MS3...they have more HP/TQ in stock form. I think they push 280HP and 300TQ straight from the dealer lot.

[07speed3]

IIRC, there is a difference in the Aussie speced MS3...they have more HP/TQ in stock form. I think they push 280HP and 300TQ straight from the dealer lot.

edit: i found a conversion calculator it actually only has 255hp according to Mazda AU. I couldnt find one for tq though.

[Mid_Life_Crisis]

edit: i found a conversion calculator it actually only has 255hp according to Mazda AU. I couldnt find one for tq though.

I guess in OZ, the horses aren't just "of a different color", but not as strong either (with apologies to "The Wizard of Oz").

[mazdaspeed32007]

255 has been proven from people here in the us with stock ms3's so i dont see a difference. i bet the majority of comparisons are identicle.

[07speed3]

255 has been proven from people here in the us with stock ms3's so i dont see a difference. i bet the majority of comparisons are identicle.

255atw has been proven but arent factory specs givin at the crank??

[Sacrilicious]

the actual tq/hp numbers are irrelevant. what matters is the shape of the tq curve. the aussie "stock" car still maintains power at over 6krpms.

[magoo]

Nah the stock car behaves the same as yours. Falls on its face after 5500 aprox. Power is 190kw or just on 255hp and 380nm or 280 ft/lb tq stock. The differences are related to fuel quality and the ecu is setup to deal with our "lesser" quality fuel, onlu difference. I dont know about these dyno curves we are seeing but the car now pulls past 6k. In response to the dude with mazdas update, there is a big diff between what your rambling about and this flash. You think when mazda updated the fuel pump issue they decided to excede the factory quoted power? and by around 40hp? dont think so, so go join the mazda ecu update thread. No offence but not related to this.

[Sacrilicious]

Nah the stock car behaves the same as yours. Falls on its face after 5500 aprox. Power is 190kw or just on 255hp and 380nm or 280 ft/lb tq stock. The differences are related to fuel quality and the ecu is setup to deal with our "lesser" quality fuel, onlu difference. I dont know about these dyno curves we are seeing but the car now pulls past 6k. In response to the dude with mazdas update, there is a big diff between what your rambling about and this flash. You think when mazda updated the fuel pump issue they decided to excede the factory quoted power? and by around 40hp? dont think so, so go join the mazda ecu update thread. No offence but not related to this.

ok, that's good to hear. that dyno is still not worth anything, but i'll definitely take your word for the car holding power past 6k. i'm really glad that you aussies got a good ECU mod. i'm sure you all will have a lotta fun with it...:D

things will be a whole lot harder for piasini in the US, though. we just have too many PNP solutions coming out which are in the same price range as they are. unless they significantly lower their prices here, they're going to have a hell of a time selling at $700...=/ from the beta impressions, the cobb AP is also holding power to redline. this summer is going to be good times for us mazda fanatics...:D

[numbnuts22715]

hmm..
The only thing I'm sort of wondering about now is when it comes to the dyno charts that were posted about the piasani flash.
both cars, before and after, held power longer than the U.S. cars, but now you're saying something different. I definitely believe you over the dyno charts, but that would make me assume that the dyno charts were fabricated. Seems sorta sketchy to me, but I could be wrong :-/

[Sacrilicious]

hmm..
The only thing I'm sort of wondering about now is when it comes to the dyno charts that were posted about the piasani flash.
both cars, before and after, held power longer than the U.S. cars, but now you're saying something different. I definitely believe you over the dyno charts, but that would make me assume that the dyno charts were fabricated. Seems sorta sketchy to me, but I could be wrong :-/

ya, who the heck knows what's up with the dyno chart, but what i do know is that i can't wait till the AP comes out and i have something to cobble cobble about! (rofl2)

[numbnuts22715]

ya, who the heck knows what's up with the dyno chart, but what i do know is that i can't wait till the AP comes out and i have something to cobble cobble about! (rofl2)

You're preaching to the choir.
I want the AP so bad!
I placed my preorder last month.

[Sacrilicious]

You're preaching to the choir.
I want the AP so bad!
I placed my preorder last month.

haha...i know...we're both trolls on that cobb thread in the other forums! :D

[mcb]

a local speed shop owner told me he had the ap(mazdaspeed 3 one) in his own hands at SEMA show. He told me last week that the product will be avaliable for sale within a month. BUT no street tuner avaliable yet. It should be out by fall.

[numbnuts22715]

a local speed shop owner told me he had the ap(mazdaspeed 3 one) in his own hands at SEMA show. He told me last week that the product will be avaliable for sale within a month. BUT no street tuner avaliable yet. It should be out by fall.


I honestly think that nobody really knows when its supposed to come out. stre et unit in like late march that it was coming out april 14th, and that supposedly came from cobb. Other vendors said the 20th. Im not blaming cobb for the delays, because our ecu is a pain in the ass, but I really hope it comes out soon. I dont wanna have to wait a whole month though.
The beta testing is going really well, I'm hoping I'll have it in my hands within the next 2 weeks.

[blacksheepms3]

hahaha a watched kettle never boils.

[chacon101]

It's going to be a very interesting week in this forum after it does come out though. :) Full power to the red line...... ahhhhhhh (godown)

[nypest]

Its a reflash done to your ECU/PCM. It completely wipes out your factory tune and replaces it with a performance tune. No piggy backs or additional equipment used. Just plug into your ECU/PCM and uploads new software/tune.

The only issue is that you can't return to stock and if you get any dealer work done on your car like a factory ECU/PCM reflash, it will erase your performance reflash...

Its not in the states (US) yet...

This statment is incorrect .....

Although it might be a pain in the ass(if you dont have a local sub-agent) If you require your stock ROM back to the ECU it can be done as per Piasini at NO more cost to the costomer. IMO unless its a MAJOR ECU update why have mazda flash you computer....

Besides a little birdie told me there will be a US spec mazdaspeed sporting the Piasini setup by weeks end the details might be intresting????

[AutoXRacer]

Yeah keep waiting(cricket); your info is all speculation at this time...

I haven't seen one single agent in the US that works with Piasini for the MS3 whom offers the reflash...
So my statement still stands true at this moment.

Kind of like the Cobb AP...promises...empty promises...(guitar)

[nypest]

Lamo ...Edit: i like your EDIT lol



The only issue is that you can't return to stock
Speculation works both ways; from Christian Piasini himself "costomers are able to return to stock ROM and no extra service charge to the costomer"..


I haven't seen one single agent in the US that works with Piasini for the MS3 whom offers the reflash...

Have you heard of CPE?

[myms3]

interesting....

[ericrapp]

Indeed

[Sacrilicious]

interesting....


Indeed

that's what she said! (stoned)

[AutoXRacer]

Lamo ...Edit: i like your EDIT lol



Speculation works both ways; from Christian Piasini himself "costomers are able to return to stock ROM and no extra service charge to the costomer"..

I'm not saying its not possible to return to stock...but it will be very inconvenient since most will have to ship their ECU/PCM to a vendor to get it flashed or unflashed = shipping costs. Piasini directly offers this...but they are located in Europe... Anyone here in the US offering these capabilities today...?



Have you heard of CPE?

I heard CP-E is working on something... Supposedly the Piasini flash is a package deal with their piggy-back computer... Seems like you have to use both... Again, CP-E is not a local vendor for most of us...and the details haven't even be released yet... Product still not released/available for purchase...

Not trying to argue...just trying to say that these are all empty promises... :(

[nypest]

I'm not saying its not possible to return to stock...but it will be very inconvenient since most will have to ship their ECU/PCM to a vendor to get it flashed or unflashed = shipping costs. Piasini directly offers this...but they are located in Europe... Anyone here in the US offering these capabilities today...?



I heard CP-E is working on something... Supposedly the Piasini flash is a package deal with their piggy-back computer... Seems like you have to use both... Again, CP-E is not a local vendor for most of us...and the details haven't even be released yet... Product still not released/available for purchase...

Not trying to argue...just trying to say that these are all empty promises... :(


I understand completely all your points.... I’m just at the same time trying to say there is other options...YES its inconvenient, YES is hard to get right NOW....You see a huge % of the community stroking COBB when they string ppl along on #S and vague statements on when there "GOD" AP flash release date.. ANY other vendor would be shut down for that behavior... I get that Piasini is a rough sell we will have proof soon enough.

Where would honda be if no one gave hondata a chance?

[AutoXRacer]

Did Hondata have the same issues/behavior (dragging people along)...?

I personally can't wait for something (tuning solution) to come out!!! I would prefer it to be Superchips personally since they are local to me and have a good track record. Though, I don't really have any optimism that they will release something soon.

[nypest]

Did Hondata have the same issues/behavior (dragging people along)...?

So you do see my point

[sp23mayhem]

Am going to get my stock factory ecu reflashed here in oz, by piasini. Mine is an sp23 yours think is the GT model. Any GT or axelas done this with their stock ecu?

[AutoXRacer]

Has anyone come across this...? (huh)
(2thumbs)

[Shane5425]

interesting, i heard they were working on something..

[hilmar2k]

Has anyone come across this...? (huh)
(2thumbs)

Only 100 flashes until the ECU is bricked? Really?

[AutoXRacer]

Only 100 flashes until the ECU is bricked? Really?

Thats what I was wondering myself... If thats the case, Cobb AP might not be the way to go unless you plan to keep the car short term...

[aaronc7]

When you first get the AP...you will load stage 2..stage 1 or whatever onto your ECU as the "base map". From then on you can change maps via the 'real time maps'...you can load stage 1, stage 2, valet, whatever you want, as many times as you want and its realtime. The 100 flashes thing only refers to base map flashing. You will only do that when you first get it, if you upgrade from stage 1 to 2 etc, or unmarry the thing to take it into the dealer.

[hilmar2k]

When you first get the AP...you will load stage 2..stage 1 or whatever onto your ECU as the "base map". From then on you can change maps via the 'real time maps'...you can load stage 1, stage 2, valet, whatever you want, as many times as you want and its realtime. The 100 flashes thing only refers to base map flashing. You will only do that when you first get it, if you upgrade from stage 1 to 2 etc, or unmarry the thing to take it into the dealer.

You sure about that? It would seem that any change would constitute writing to the memory, which is what seems to be limited to 100. I could see that on a piggyback, but not on the AP.

[aaronc7]

Pretty sure...I too was a bit worried about the flashing limit and asked the question to the cobb guys but it has been a few months ago now.

[aaronc7]

Found it...what I said is correct. The realtime flashing is really more of a 'realtime map switching" and does not count as a flash, as far as the ECU and flashing limits are concerned. Also Cobb has said that they have went over the flash limits before of an ECU but have never ran into any problems or 'bricking' an ecu...personally I'm not really worried about that aspect of it.

[nypest]

lol magoo you need to up date this thread

http://www.mazda 3 forums.com/index.php?topic=117549.0

[myms3]

just had mine flashed last night... yummy Piasini is good stuff

[coyfish]

piasani dead ??

[Bravnik]

Nypest actually posted today on another forum. Not sure if he was in jail, fat camp, Boot Camp or what, but he is back it seems. Piasani - Dunno if it is dead or not.

[coyfish]

yeah i was really leaning towards it but everbody dissapeared.

[coyfish]

lol ^^^^

[08cosmic3]

of course peoles disappera, most write without connect the brain to the words....


best regards


Christian Piasini
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Get an AP. ASAP