Where is the 2009 Mazda6 for North America??

[the gamper]

Anyone have any idea when or where the new 2009 Mazda6 for NA will be officially unveiled?? The car has already been delayed by a year. The autoshow season is over and the car is supposedly going on sale by the end of 2008. I was originally under the impression that it was supposed to debut at the New York auto show. Where is it?

We have seen some spy pics of what seemed to be a production version, but we are still short on many details. Just wondering.

[Raynman]

It's going to be unveiled within the next couple of weeks at dealership meetings across the country.

[kinks45]

It's going to be unveiled within the next couple of weeks at dealership meetings across the country.

The link on mazdausa.com now has info, although it is not much.

[arock712]

Here it is: http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/25/mazda-unveils-2009-mazda6-for-north-america/

[Raynman]

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123698685&page=5

[scnzzz]

My $ 0.02:

$0.01: The current generation of the 6 really turned heads when it came out, and still does. This one, strangely enough, seems really vanilla to me. Let's see. It gets bigger, gets bigger motors, and more mainstream. Did I miss the press release? When did Carlos Ghosn take over Mazda?

$0.02: Will they please announce the Speed variant already? In a wagon body preferably!

[Raynman]

Mazdaspeed versions typically come out late in the product life cycle here in the USDM.

[NCZ13]

theyve already announced the new speed6 comes out in 2010

[MP3Architect]

they're not out stateside yet? i saw one in london maybe 2 weeks ago. as it was pulling up i was confused as to what it was. looked like a new toyota or something. when i saw the mazda badge i realized it must have been the new 6. was..... kinda ok. i just dont like how big its gotten though.

[MP3Architect]

http://www.mazda.co.uk/Showroom/Mazda6/

i do like the front though.

[Raynman]

theyve already announced the new speed6 comes out in 2010

Mazda PR source?

[xboxlivemonkey]

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/30/mazda2-mps-and-280-hp-mazda6-mps-on-their-way/

[Raynman]

I'll believe it when I see it, given how many things the press got wrong with the 2nd gen Mazda 6 (EUCD platform, Duratec 3.5 vs MZI 3.7, etc.).

[Koenig]

I'll believe it when I see it, given how many things the press got wrong with the 2nd gen Mazda 6 (EUCD platform, Duratec 3.5 vs MZI 3.7, etc.).


Trust me it will be out, I was telling a few people about a mazdaspeed6 coming out in 2010, before any press releases were even issued.... I can't tell how I know... lets just say I had an insider's secret ;)

It does pay to know people. (this is true in regards to getting a job or finding out about things before other people, like oh say... you have a buddy working at best buy and you can find out when the WII comes in stock and when it will be for sale before the average consumer does).

As for the Regular Mazda6... WTF?!?! London already has a sedan 5 door AND wagon available?!?!

I hope they bring the 5 door here. If they do my GF is going to trade in her '05 v6 for the '09 v6.... or at least that's what she was saying, LOL

ME.... I would keep my speed6 since I'll have it paid off before 2010, and I'd buy the new speed6 as a daily, and have my current speed6 be my mod car ;)

I just, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY wish they would make the mazdaspeed6 a twin turbo v6... to distance it from the likely next variant of a speed3, they need to STOP giving those cars the same engines, and start distancing them apart. Give the speed6 enough power to compete with the evox and sti stock for stock, and let the speed3 play with the civic sis, rsx-s, and 350zs :(

[xboxlivemonkey]

Trust me it will be out, I was telling a few people about a mazdaspeed6 coming out in 2010, before any press releases were even issued.... I can't tell how I know... lets just say I had an insider's secret ;)

It does pay to know people. (this is true in regards to getting a job or finding out about things before other people, like oh say... you have a buddy working at best buy and you can find out when the WII comes in stock and when it will be for sale before the average consumer does).

As for the Regular Mazda6... WTF?!?! London already has a sedan 5 door AND wagon available?!?!

I hope they bring the 5 door here. If they do my GF is going to trade in her '05 v6 for the '09 v6.... or at least that's what she was saying, LOL

ME.... I would keep my speed6 since I'll have it paid off before 2010, and I'd buy the new speed6 as a daily, and have my current speed6 be my mod car ;)

I just, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY wish they would make the mazdaspeed6 a twin turbo v6... to distance it from the likely next variant of a speed3, they need to STOP giving those cars the same engines, and start distancing them apart. Give the speed6 enough power to compete with the evox and sti stock for stock, and let the speed3 play with the civic sis, rsx-s, and 350zs :(

(iagree)


lol well if you wanted to know when we had the wii in stock just ask dude
as for that , we might have some , idk cant tell ( also ill get next weeks ad for a free boot up c.d from geek squad if you care to trade (boom03) )

any way i agree both cars are in there own category , speed 3 is civic , 350 z srt4 , while speed 6 is lexus,bmw , infinity , etc level

but i would like mazda to perfect there 4 bangers or at least do what evo did with that 4 banger and turbo charger 290 something horses ( very well done )

mazda speed 3 is a great car and you cant ask much more from it but mazda really needs to start taking different routes with both speed 3 / 6


speed 6 , make it a lighter , a bit smaller , keep it awd , if its a four banger make sure its not a 2.5 making 280 , try inovation a 2.5 making just over 300
if its a v6 twin turbo , pull more then 350 horses i wanna see some mazdaspeed cars beat my brothers 335 i

speed 3 , should get a bit more power , as far as awd or rwd , its a tough one

[Koenig]

(iagree)


lol well if you wanted to know when we had the wii in stock just ask dude
as for that , we might have some , idk cant tell ( also ill get next weeks ad for a free boot up c.d from geek squad if you care to trade (boom03) )

any way i agree both cars are in there own category , speed 3 is civic , 350 z srt4 , while speed 6 is lexus,bmw , infinity , etc level

but i would like mazda to perfect there 4 bangers or at least do what evo did with that 4 banger and turbo charger 290 something horses ( very well done )

mazda speed 3 is a great car and you cant ask much more from it but mazda really needs to start taking different routes with both speed 3 / 6


speed 6 , make it a lighter , a bit smaller , keep it awd , if its a four banger make sure its not a 2.5 making 280 , try inovation a 2.5 making just over 300
if its a v6 twin turbo , pull more then 350 horses i wanna see some mazdaspeed cars beat my brothers 335 i

speed 3 , should get a bit more power , as far as awd or rwd , its a tough one

Dude I don't need to ask you when the Wii comes in, I can find out for myself (rofl)

As for your ideas, I like them all, except a few. Make the Speed6 smaller?

Than people like myself and your big ass aren't going to feel very comfortable in it. I like it the way it is, keep it that way.

as for the speed6 being a 4 banger, meh... I'd prefer a v6 2 more cylinders will make it easier for those who want to mod and put a bigger turbo like a gt35. the Current car spools WAY too late with even the gt3076, with the GT35r you'd probably not start spooling the turbo until 5.5k - 6k rpm, and redline is already at 6,750. No thanks.

more cylinders = more exhaust gases to spool a bigger turbo (yippy)

and making the speed3 AWD would be killjoy. Even with less power it still might be comparable to the speed6, if they end up using the 2.5L in BOTH cars. (unless they went the TT v6 route for the speed6)


oh BTW, they sort of are doing what you said about the Evo.... the new speed6 is "supposedly" slated for 280+ hp with the 2.5L turbo (thumb)

I'll believe the power numbers when I see them, but I'm 100% they're building a speed6. I think Mazda has been paying attention to the community and they MAYBE noticed, their speed6 line has the potential to be the next best thing.

[MP3Architect]

more cylinders = more exhaust gases to spool a bigger turbo (yippy)



more cylinders = more weight. mazda likes curves.... if you want raw power buy another brand

[Raynman]

I can't tell how I know... lets just say I had an insider's secret ;)

It does pay to know people.

All I got to say is that one meets all sorts of interesting people when you go to a lot of races like me. ;)

/cryptic shameless Mazdaspeed corral plug

[xboxlivemonkey]

well from what iv read the new 6 is bigger then the camery , and people liked the size of the current six , that was my point , kinda lol

any way for some reason i dont see a speed 6 with a four cylinder , just beucase its a more luxury car , but who says it cant pull off some nice numbers and performance with a four banger : D , the thing is i know mazda can pull more out of a 2.5 then 280 horses , even if its with a bigger turbo !

mazda is not going to let other auto makers bring out nice cars and stay in the shadow , the speed 3 is king hatch and speed 6 was never really noticed as much as most wanted , mazda should and looks like , there going all out with the new (Speed)6 , looks a bit better in a different sense ,and the interior is not that bad .

i agree with a new speed 6 being made , they had over 2 years to study ,test , and innovate the car : D

[wannabe]

I just, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY wish they would make the mazdaspeed6 a twin turbo v6... to distance it from the likely next variant of a speed3, they need to STOP giving those cars the same engines, and start distancing them apart. Give the speed6 enough power to compete with the evox and sti stock for stock, and let the speed3 play with the civic sis, rsx-s, and 350zs :(

agreed. although then i would want a new car already ;)

[wannabe]

All I got to say is that one meets all sorts of interesting people when you go to a lot of races like me. ;)

/cryptic shameless Mazdaspeed corral plug

that worked (yupnope)

[Koenig]

more cylinders = more weight. mazda likes curves.... if you want raw power buy another brand

Dude seriously, wtf? lol. There are ways to make the v6 lighter and very comparable to the inline 4. I'd like to know the weight difference between the 2.3L and the v6 in the current mazda6s.... and I'd like to know the difference between the new 2.5 and 3.7 liters, I wouldn't be surprised if it's not a huge difference of more than 300 lbs

To top it off a 3.6L TT v6 is going to shoot a speed6 faster down the line than a single turbo 2.5L engine..... you can say more cylinders = more weight, but you'll be saying it while you're behind the guy with those 2 more cylinders.

Example:
the current 2.3L MZR DISI..... putting a gt3076r on those cars, people say they don't start to really spool until what..... 5k rpm, right? Maybe later than that? Look how much room you have to play with... if spool time is 5k and redline is 6.7k..... each time you shift you're gonna drop PAST 5k the 5k, and your enjoy has to play "catch up" to get in it's powerband.

2 more cylinders = 2 more cylinders of exhaust gases = more exhaust gas to spool the turbine. Result: quicker/sooner spool time of said turbo, and MORE room to play with before redline and having to shift.

Mod for mod.... 2.5L with a big gt35r, and 3.7L with gt35r.... which one do you seriously think is going to be faster? You could even say gt3076r on the 2.5L and one on the 3.7L.... the 3.7L is going to have quicker spool time, thus less lag, why? more exhaust gases pushing the turbine.

Hell my GF's mazda6 is the v6.... that's like what 220 hp right? I'm pretty sure if I took the k04 off my speed6 and installed it on her car, that thing would be faster than my speed6.

2nd example:
How about comparing the v6 mustang to the GT mustang? base models, both manual transmission.... the v6 curb weight is 3,300 lbs. Guess what the GT is pulling in...... 3,450 lbs. 150 lbs difference. on 2 more cylinders... and that thing can run a 13.5 compared to what the v6 runs with almost 100 hp less? (which certainly isn't a 13.5)

I dunno about you, but I'll take those 2 more cylinders AND the extra weight they'll bring. (2thumbs)

[TX Speed 6]

Quick note... jalopnik.com has some new interior shots of the new north america 6

[Koenig]

Quick note... jalopnik.com has some new interior shots of the new north america 6

Yeah I saw that.... I don't like the square vents for the center console.... should have stuck with the circles.

Dash looks very borrowed from an RX-8, along with the frontend on the car in the first place, LOL overall looks nice.

[xboxlivemonkey]

Yeah I saw that.... I don't like the square vents for the center console.... should have stuck with the circles.

Dash looks very borrowed from an RX-8, along with the frontend on the car in the first place, LOL overall looks nice.

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123706468

here is some info on price and packaging

[MP3Architect]

i took some shots of a parked 6 today here in london. ill try to upload them later. thing is fat..... and not with a "p-h"

[MP3Architect]

http://www.msprotege.com/members/MP3Architect/THENEW6.JPG
http://www.msprotege.com/members/MP3Architect/THENEW62.JPG

[Koenig]

Wow that sucker looks big..... Judging from the pics (hard to tell without seeing it in person) but I gotta say, the shape and size looks like it's comparable to the new model Lexus GS.... geez

[MP3Architect]

i really liked the front end.... but i just thought it was too big for my taste.

[Raynman]

Wow that sucker looks big..... Judging from the pics (hard to tell without seeing it in person) but I gotta say, the shape and size looks like it's comparable to the new model Lexus GS.... geez

The Euro and JDM versions are practically the same weight as the previous gen 6i though.

[Koenig]

The Euro and JDM versions are practically the same weight as the previous gen 6i though.

Yeah but why the hell would I buy a 6i? The 2.3L can barely move the Mazda3 as is, to what I would consider "fast"

so v6 for me only : \

[xboxlivemonkey]

Yeah but why the hell would I buy a 6i? The 2.3L can barely move the Mazda3 as is, to what I would consider "fast"

so v6 for me only : \

still upset mazda didnt push some numbers in there engines and also no stick fro v6

[Raynman]

Yeah but why the hell would I buy a 6i? The 2.3L can barely move the Mazda3 as is, to what I would consider "fast"

so v6 for me only : \

I guess I'm the only one that appreciates borrowing gram engineering from the MX-5 development to develop the Euro/JDM 6.

[clicknext]

I think those foglight brackets would look good painted body color. And I think the car could do without the chrome around the windows.

[Koenig]

I guess I'm the only one that appreciates borrowing gram engineering from the MX-5 development to develop the Euro/JDM 6.

I guess, I don't live in Europe, or Japan.... and it would most likely cost MORE to own one of those Mazda6, than a states 6... because you would have to buy it, overseas ship it, and then do any of the necessary "safety conversions" to it (like the JDM would need the windshield replaced, they don't have the safety glass we use).

[smakdown61]

1. You will see the next speed 6 in the US as a 2011 model (released in late 2010). The next speed model for the 09 and 10 years will be the mx-5 with the 2.3L DISI turbo detuned (smaller radiator and intercooler).

2. A Gt30r absolutely does NOT spool slow on this motor. If you search the other mazda3 forum, the gt30r dyno shows the guy is making nearly 300wtq at 3600rpm, peaking at 345whp at 6000rpm.

[Raynman]

I guess, I don't live in Europe, or Japan.... and it would most likely cost MORE to own one of those Mazda6, than a states 6... because you would have to buy it, overseas ship it, and then do any of the necessary "safety conversions" to it (like the JDM would need the windshield replaced, they don't have the safety glass we use).

The funny thing is that more people prefer and want the Euro/JDM styling than the USDM body. Not a surprise at all considering when the 6 first launched, people also preferred the JDM body even back then.

In any event, Mazda accomplished an awesome engineering job of keeping weight down - something that I think we'll see more of from other companies in order to stay competitive in the global auto market.

[Koenig]

1. You will see the next speed 6 in the US as a 2011 model (released in late 2010). The next speed model for the 09 and 10 years will be the mx-5 with the 2.3L DISI turbo detuned (smaller radiator and intercooler).

2. A Gt30r absolutely does NOT spool slow on this motor. If you search the other mazda3 forum, the gt30r dyno shows the guy is making nearly 300wtq at 3600rpm, peaking at 345whp at 6000rpm.

yeah but which GT30 turbo is it? 3071 or 3076? There's a difference, I'm thinking the guy has a 3071... and the 3076 spools in the later RPMs... a peak HP at 6k rpm isn't all that great considering the throttle plate closes before that. sounds pretty useless, impressive numbers on a dyno, but how does it fare out at the strip or on the street (aka roll race like everyone does these days)?

[Koenig]

The funny thing is that more people prefer and want the Euro/JDM styling than the USDM body. Not a surprise at all considering when the 6 first launched, people also preferred the JDM body even back then.

I have no doubt about that.... The JDM market seems to get the "better" designs of import cars. Take the speed6... the M'z Tune speed6 comes with some nice looking front bumper valanches, but we can't get those in america, cause if you try calling the dealer, they have specific serial/VIN numbers for the M'z Tune MS6s, and if yours doesn't match they won't letyou buy it either. Gay ass Mazda....(stooges)

[xboxlivemonkey]

for some reason mazda 6 is not popular in japan : /

[smakdown61]

yeah but which GT30 turbo is it? 3071 or 3076? There's a difference, I'm thinking the guy has a 3071... and the 3076 spools in the later RPMs... a peak HP at 6k rpm isn't all that great considering the throttle plate closes before that. sounds pretty useless, impressive numbers on a dyno, but how does it fare out at the strip or on the street (aka roll race like everyone does these days)?

Pretty useless? Heres the dyno:

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh58/palerider42/346whprpm.jpg

300wtq/225whp at 3600 rpm....thats more tq than the ms3 makes at that point stock and nearly what the ms3 makes in peak hp.....and thats at 3600 rpm. So yes, I would say thats a huge improvement even with the throttle plate closing. If he decides to get the AP and a custom protune he can make power to redline with the throttle open. If you're wondering what the dip is, its the stupid synapse bpv he was testing out.

[speed1585]

I could see a lot of potential if they turbo'd the new v6 but I highly doubt they will. I would be suprised if they even came out with another speed6. they didnt sell that well the first time around. but a turbo'd 3.7l would be awesome lol

[Koenig]

Learn english, read what I said.... peak power at nearly redline with the throttle plate CLOSED at 6k rpm, is useless in my P.O.V.

I hope the socalled AP and the custom protune you brag about has solved the throttle plate issue.... because to my knowledge it STILL hasn't been fixed. Thus the throttle plate STILL closes. So has the AP solved the said issue of the throttle plate closing? Because the current EMS from CPE and the XEDE won't stop it.

So unless the AP has completely solved the throttle plate, he'll still have minor issues, so he actually won't make FULL potential power of the car all the way to redline. You also didn't answer my question regarding whether it was a 3071 or 3076. As I'd like to know which turbo it was. And what supporting mods he has on the car.

Dyno sheets and numbers sure do look pretty, but I'm more concerned about how his powerband works on the street and the strip.

An example would be the SRT-4s with the stage 3, ever notice how they don't start pulling in fast off the gun?

[Koenig]

I could see a lot of potential if they turbo'd the new v6 but I highly doubt they will. I would be suprised if they even came out with another speed6. they didnt sell that well the first time around. but a turbo'd 3.7l would be awesome lol


It already set to come out, many of us would like to see a twin turbo v6 (kinda like how BMW did the TT 335i with it's 6 cylinder)

But Mazda's plans are a 2.5L 4 banger :(

[speed1585]

ya i figured they would use the 4 banger. there might be a plus side to that tho. considering the v6 will have 272, a speed version imo has to atleast eclipse to 300hp mark to even be marketable with awd it would still be heavier so idk, they jsut better not mess up haha

[smakdown61]

Learn english, read what I said.... peak power at nearly redline with the throttle plate CLOSED at 6k rpm, is useless in my P.O.V.

I hope the socalled AP and the custom protune you brag about has solved the throttle plate issue.... because to my knowledge it STILL hasn't been fixed. Thus the throttle plate STILL closes. So has the AP solved the said issue of the throttle plate closing? Because the current EMS from CPE and the XEDE won't stop it.

So unless the AP has completely solved the throttle plate, he'll still have minor issues, so he actually won't make FULL potential power of the car all the way to redline. You also didn't answer my question regarding whether it was a 3071 or 3076. As I'd like to know which turbo it was. And what supporting mods he has on the car.

Dyno sheets and numbers sure do look pretty, but I'm more concerned about how his powerband works on the street and the strip.

An example would be the SRT-4s with the stage 3, ever notice how they don't start pulling in fast off the gun?

Its a 3071. Yes, cobb has complete control over the throttle. They concluded (with evidence) that the opening the throttle on the stock turbo makes negligible difference (it was like 5 hp). However, for a turbo like this it will obviously make a huge difference.


Granted, this is all for the speed3, I was just using it as an example since the engine is the same. Unfortunately, cobb doesn't have any plans to make an AP for the ms6 as the ecu is vastly different than the ms3.