hard pipe kits

[speed1585]

Ok just curious as to wether you all think that a intercooler hard pipe kits is worth the investment. I know all the chrome looks pretty and what not and understand that most of the time metal is better the plastic. but for the weaponr kit of p garage it says 8-13hp on a properly tuned vehicle which sounds fantastic. what is everyones take on it?

Also this is assuming you are still using the stock SMIC like I am :(

[mikeski]

i think that hardpipes with stock smic wont do much for performance, all you really need to replace is the hotpipe,but an upgraded smic and hardpipes, you will notice the difference right outa the box.

[speed1585]

well i wasent really looking to get the kit for performace reasons, mostly to get rid of the shitty plastic and the hard pipes look cool... im a noob, where is the hotpipe?

[orlandomsp]

The hot pipe is the turbo to IC pipe. :)

[mikeski]

it is in the front of your engine bay...it goes from the turbo to the intercooler. when you push the gas and you look at the hotpipe, you will see it expand. it is a good idea to replace both of them if you can but if you cant, its ok to just do the hotpipe (turbo to intercooler) P.S. welcome to the forums!! :)

[4orcefed]

I got the turbo hoses piping kit and the upgraded smic protege garage and am very happy with it. Then you really dont have to worry about the stock pipes cracking or the bpv nipples breaking.

[cmahlig]

i felt a difference with just a hotpipe replacement

[hiroshi988]

DO NOT get the weapon R kit, i just got it, too many problems with it. i regret the purchase, i should have went with the turbohoses pipes or the street unit ones.

[orng1]

Wait please explain what was wrong with it, I think a lot of people have thought about ordering these at one point of time.

[BadBandar]

Im in the process of getting the SU hardpipes too. I cant wait. The plastic pipes blow.

[speed1585]

thanks for the info...and thanks for the welcome.. I am not new to forums or the car, just new to this forum :) I would like to know whats wrong with the weapon r kit as thats the one I was looking to get. are there legit issues or are these problems specific to you?

[Driver_X]

So what are reasonable price hard pipe kits? SU, Turbohoses, and ???? Which is better out of the two mentioned? Also has anyone tried the samco hotpipe? I think P Garage or SU sells it?

[MSP 2731]

SU's are the nicest looking as they are seamless and I do believe they are a little cheaper than the Turbohoses. I myself have the Turbohoses set and wouldn't trade them for anything other than the SU ones.

[Perro del Sol]

I have the SU pipes and they are indeed sweet and they make a big difference over the plastic.

[mspHtown]

I have the SU pipes and they are indeed sweet and they make a big difference over the plastic.

with the low boost levels our stock t25 pumps out, the stock plastic pipes are sufficient. the only way you are going to notice a difference is if the stock pipes are cracked and leaking.

[speed1585]

holy hell... I am still looking for the ones I want cause I am broke atm... they all seem so expensive though :(

[mgerst1]

i have heard nothing but the obvious problems with weapon-r hardpipes. because the kit is many different pieces put together with couplers the risk of having vac leaks is high. i ordered the turbohoses harpipes but like everyone says the su ones are comparable. while we may run low boost i figure it is only a matter of time before the stock pipes crack. of vac leaks

[TheMAN]

it's not a big problem if you replace the couplers with quality ones and t-bolt clamps right from the start... having more pieces have one advantage which is a better ability for the piping system to flex from engine movement... a one piece pipe makes it difficult and you definitely want hump couplers with those! the fitment on the weapon-r pipes is shitty too, so hopefully the turbohoses ones are way better

[mgerst1]

^me too, i cant wait for my turbohoses to show up

[speed1585]

My first pick is the turbohoses. but damn the kit is expensive, atleast to my broke ass

[mgerst1]

I had to wait for my tax return, lol

[PhonyEVO_1]

The kit is definitely expensive, but I'm about to purchase the turbohoses kit right now as well... Seems like the best way to go.

[speed1585]

my taxes and George Dubbya money is already spent lol.....I guess I will just save up for the turbohoses kit....

[PhonyEVO_1]

Haha.. I'm paying for it with my Economic Stimulus refund... good ol' George Dub.

[speed1585]

Ok so anyone have it installed or know the scoop with the SLS hot pipe?

[mgerst1]

I have heard the sls hot pipe will work fine, i just figured that i should just get replacement pipes now instead of later when they crack

[speed1585]

yeah... I am picky though I really dont care for the PC black pipe from SLS... so turbohoses/SU will be it most likely

[PhonyEVO_1]

I ordered the turbohoses kit, and I thought I was going to be able to have them pre-drill and weld on the flange for me and then ceramic coat it. Since I don't have the BOV yet, and if they do the work and it doesn't turnout right, the warranty or return capability is gone. The guy from Turbohoses said to just have it drilled and welded by my mechanic once I decide where I want to put the BOV, although he'll provide me a flange for the HKS BOV I ordered which was cool. They are polishing my kit up today and sending it out by tomorrow, should have it early next week since I live close to where their located. And my BOV got shipped today as well, hopefully I'll have some pic's and sound clips by next week.

[mgerst1]

^lucky bastard mine had so many problems, when it got ceramic coated the guy who does it forgot about mine and when they finally got it back the coupler color I wanted was on back order arghh! well i should get mine shipped out by the end of the week

[SpeedAdiction20]

to go back to the WeaponR hardpipes issues, i thought the fitmit wasn't bad at all, worked pretty well, looked good, the only issue is you'll need the new couplers/clamps no matter what, when i went to the store to replace them, the guys there thought the ones WeaponR sent with the kit was a joke because they were usless lol, but the fact that they are in a few different peices allows enough movement so no real need for hump couplers, for the most part, but overall they were not too bad if you dont mind adding $80-100 to the price of the kit.

[fr0st]

i had both sotck piping and aftermaket piping ( SLS hotpipe and SU cold pipe) and i must say i dont really see what's wrong with the stockers if you stay at a reasonable boost level.. like i'm around 7.5 - 8 psi with the stock SMIc and everything is cool...

[BadBandar]

I need some aftermarket hardpipes. The stock pipes suck. The coldpipe connected to the bottom intercooler inlet keeps coming off. But i have the custommsp smic tho.

[SteelWarrior]

replace the plastic, heat soak is a bitch.... just replacing my intercooler and getting hard pipes i noticed a HUGE HUGE HUGE difference, worthy of the investment

[SpeedAdiction20]

replace the plastic, heat soak is a bitch.... just replacing my intercooler and getting hard pipes i noticed a HUGE HUGE HUGE difference, worthy of the investment

ya, i noticed a big difference, mostly after 10-15min of driving the boost is still the same because of heat soaking, after buying the coupler replacements and looking at the T-bolts i would have been better off with something else other than the WeaponR, just because those couplers and clamps were around ~$180 added to the kit... ill see how it goes with just the normal linear clamps for a little while, hopefully i don't get stranded anywhere too far from home lol... anyone have any input on just using the linear ones.. it shouldn't be too bad right?, ill check them to make sure they are still tight here and there i guess.

[mgerst1]

the screw can slip thats all

[satyr36]

where do you buy these hard kits? direct links please

[PhonyEVO_1]

There are a couple places online:

Protegegarage.com: Weapon R kit - Aluminum hard pipe kit
http://siteground207.com/~protegeg/index.php?cPath=32_169

Turbohoses.com: MSP Aluminum Hard pipe kit
http://www.turbohoses.com/MSP.htm

I've been told and have read thru some old threads here that if you have the money to buy the kit from turbohoses. Seems like people have issue's with their Weapon R kit from what I've read. Although I don't own either yet, my turbohoses kit is coming in shortly.

[Velocifero]

ya, i noticed a big difference, mostly after 10-15min of driving the boost is still the same because of heat soaking, after buying the coupler replacements and looking at the T-bolts i would have been better off with something else other than the WeaponR, just because those couplers and clamps were around ~$180 added to the kit... ill see how it goes with just the normal linear clamps for a little while, hopefully i don't get stranded anywhere too far from home lol... anyone have any input on just using the linear ones.. it shouldn't be too bad right?, ill check them to make sure they are still tight here and there i guess.

If the worm clamps fail on you and you're out and about and keep blowing pipes off then just leave the couplers on and stay outta boost. If you drive the car like that you'll never see the pressure that is blowing tthe pipes off.

[SpeedAdiction20]

There are a couple places online:

Protegegarage.com: Weapon R kit - Aluminum hard pipe kit
http://siteground207.com/~protegeg/index.php?cPath=32_169

Turbohoses.com: MSP Aluminum Hard pipe kit
http://www.turbohoses.com/MSP.htm

I've been told and have read thru some old threads here that if you have the money to buy the kit from turbohoses. Seems like people have issue's with their Weapon R kit from what I've read. Although I don't own either yet, my turbohoses kit is coming in shortly.
-ya i had to buy $100 for new couplers, 3 straight, 3 transistion, didn't need humps because of the seperate peices, but still don't have the T-bolt clamps for the set, which would be another 80 or so, so overall the turbohoses i think are the better way to go.. i like the weaponR kit, but they should have come with better couplers/maybe clamps to be worth buying.


If the worm clamps fail on you and you're out and about and keep blowing pipes off then just leave the couplers on and stay outta boost. If you drive the car like that you'll never see the pressure that is blowing tthe pipes off.
-and ya as far as the couplers my clamps should be good for a while ill just check here and there, i got them pretty tight, i even slipped once and put a nice little hole in hand between my thumb and pointer finger lol, i had the couplers that came with the kit on before i got the new ones in and just drove outa boost, but what fun is that (yawn)

[mgerst1]

-ya i had to buy $100 for new couplers, 3 straight, 3 transistion, didn't need humps because of the seperate peices, but still don't have the T-bolt clamps for the set, which would be another 80 or so, so overall the turbohoses i think are the better way to go.. i like the weaponR kit, but they should have come with better couplers/maybe clamps to be worth buying.


-and ya as far as the couplers my clamps should be good for a while ill just check here and there, i got them pretty tight, i even slipped once and put a nice little hole in hand between my thumb and pointer finger lol, i had the couplers that came with the kit on before i got the new ones in and just drove outa boost, but what fun is that (yawn)

where did you buy couplers from? when you get your t-bolt clamps use:

siliconeintakes.com good prices and they sell couplers, vac lines, t-bolt clampts, straight silicone pipe, everything you could think of and they usually ship withing 3-5 days. I used them twice so far and have no complaints (forgot about size difference between MAF and intake pipe and ordered straight couplers instead of reducers , doh!, so i had to make a second order and return parts from the first)

[Velocifero]

+1 on Siliconeintakes.com, also atpturbo.com sells great quality!

[SpeedAdiction20]

I had ordered them from a store called Cruisers that is around town, the reducers were said to be $16 when i was ordering them, but when i checked out a few days later they showed up as $22, i prob. should have asked them to check, but i figured i would do that later on the internet but they didn't show any prices on their website for that, debating weather or not to go back and ask, or i will most likely just let it go.. but thanks for the info, learning mistakes hurt the wallet lol

[mgerst1]

happens to us all^

[mgerst1]

just fyi my turbohoses came in today and they look freakin sweet! if you are on the fence buy the turbohoses! shipped in five days

[speed1585]

ya man I am gonna hold out and get the turbohoses too, along with the CustomMSP sidemount....only problem is no money lol....had to fill up both the MSP and 3 today... 110 bux

[satyr36]

just fyi my turbohoses came in today and they look freakin sweet! if you are on the fence buy the turbohoses! shipped in five days

where did you order from and what kit did you get?

[mgerst1]

where did you order from and what kit did you get?

www.turbohoses.com

there is only one available for the msp

[PhonyEVO_1]

just fyi my turbohoses came in today and they look freakin sweet! if you are on the fence buy the turbohoses! shipped in five days

Dude.. The last time I mentioned I'd be getting my shortly in another thread and you were like WTF. But I talked to some guy at turbohoses that got my order mixed up with someone elses when I asked him about mine. It's taking a long time for them to fabricate it and ship it... but I'm sure it'll be worth it. Definitely taking longer then 5 days, and I live right across the bay from them. Should of just driven there and picked it up...lol

[arkitek]

Is there more engine/air whoosh noise with hardpipes installed? Turkey still in check?
I already have the Samco hot pipe. Thinking of adding a SU cold pipe.

[mgerst1]

havent installed yet cause waiting to have 1" fittings welded on the hotpipe to hook my boostsciences rdv to