oil pressure gauge

[m_V_p651]

ok so i want to know what line to tap into for the oil pressure gauge, search around for a while and came out with nothing. thanks and pictures if possible.

also i have a two gauge pod piller and when i drilled into the car piller is it the frame that im hitting?

[jmv]

Well, the stock oil pressure sender is on the rear side of the block, somewhat above the oil filter but below the intake manifold. Its got a green wire running to it. Its in a horrible spot to be doing this. Keep in mind all this info is for an electric oil pressure gauge... a mechanical is generally not recommended to use into the cabin, as that introduces hot oil into the passenger compartment. Also, i did my setup to use both the oil pressure gauge and the stock sender for the dummy light in the dash. If you want to do it differently you'll have to modify your method. Here's a copy paste of a previous summary of another copy and paste that i did, yadda yadda....

to start off with, the stock sender and the block are both threaded with BSPT (british standard pipe thread). However, pretty much no matter who makes your gauge, the aftermarket sender is going to be NPT (national pipe thread), and so will pretty much all the fittings you can find. This means that you have to do some special adapters and whatnot. For this, livelyjay's post at the top of the second page in this (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123615506&page=2&highlight=oil+pressure)thread is very helpful. The second list, under "1 aftermarket gauge with stock sender" Contains all the parts you'd need for your fittings, MINUS the pieces for the remote mounting (essential because not only is there not enough room, but also because you'd have a massive amount of stuff hanging off your block and vibrating and getting undue stress).

SO....

out of the block, you'll have the 1/8" BSPT male to 1/8" NPT female listed on livelyjay's list. From there, you'll go to a 1/8" NPT male to -4AN fitting (for your hose)(this is not on the list). You'll attatch the hose here (i'll go into more detail about the hose later), and it will run to another -4AN fitting, but this time with a 1/8" NPT female on the other side. Next comes the Tee fitting thats on the list (The tee has i male and 2 female ends. the male side of the tee will attatch to the female end of your hose fitting, leaving 2 open !1/8" NPT female parts). Into one of those, you will screw in the aftermarket sender. Into the other one, you will put the 1/8" NPT male to 1/8" BSPT male adapter, then the 1/8" BSPT female coupler, and finally put the stock sender into that. I know thats hard to visualize, and its a mouthful. If i need to clarify any of that let me know.

To mount this whole assembly some place, i hooked it to the underside of the intake manifold support bracket (you can't miss this piece, big black bracket thing right to the left of where your oil filter is.

Now, as for the hose.... i had ordered a stainless steel braided hose kit from summitracing.com along with hose ends, but it simply was not going to work, the hose ends were impossible to deal with, and the hose was really quite large around for the application, even though the inside diamater was just right. SO, i went to a local 'speed shop', and managed to get a hose that was also stainless steel braided, but i believe it was made of teflon so it was much thinner while being just as strong. I also was able to get one end of it with a 90 degree fitting which helped alot. I used the straight end coming out of the block, and brought it around to the left of the manifold bracket, using the 90 degree fitting to hook up to the tee.

The assembly with the senders, as i said, was attatched to the mani support bracket. The way i orientated it, the male side of the tee was sticking out to the left, the aftermarket sender was sticking up, and the several adapters and stock sender were sticking out to the right. I put a metal hose clamp around the aftermarket sender and the bracket. I also drilled a hole in the bracket in the appropriate place and stuck a nut and bolt in there to allow the entire assembly to rest on the bolt, while being held securely by the hose clamp. In addition, to make sure the aftermarket sener was grounded very well, i took a wire that was bare on both ends, stuck one end under the hose clamp and the other in between the mani bracket and the intake mani where the bolts go, to make sure it made real good contact (if its not properly grounded you won't get an accurate reading.).

Hmmm, what else.... make sure you use thread seleant, but its reccomended that you DON'T use the tape, but instead the paste stuff. I'm not entirely sure why, but i suspect it might be a way to help make a better ground contact, but i took care of that my own way. Oh and also, the BSPT peice that goes into the block that i got from the place livelyjay reccomended kept leaking. I picked up the same type of fitting from the speed shop where i got the hose, and it worked well. I dunno if all the fittings have sealing issues, or if it was just that one, but be aware that i had a problem right there.

okay SO.....

heres a general shot of the whole assembly, mounted on the back of the intake manifold support bracket. You can use the location and orientation of the oil filter to help get a rough idea for comparison on your car...

http://f5.putfile.com/6/18010400351.jpg

and heres a shot of sorta where the hose is running...

http://f5.putfile.com/6/18010410025.jpg

and now for where it taps into the block (pic is sideways, again, use the oil filter to orientate). This is where you'll find your stock switch with the green wire running to it. (you can see the stock switch on the lower right, with the green wire running to it.... )

http://f5.putfile.com/6/18010390364.jpg






So i know thats tons of info, and i've kind of cut and paste from things i've told people before, so if theres any holes in the logic just ask, i'm more than willing to help out!!

Jason

[JDM Sam]

or make your life easier and buy an oil filter plate adapter.

[jmv]

or make your life easier and buy an oil filter plate adapter.

true that. I had read from some people that they had issues which led to them having to grind off some of the oil filter bolt, which sounded crazy so i just went with this setup. Are you using an oil filter plate adapter??

[Concept MSP]

I am using an oil plate adapter on my MSP for oil pressure & oil temp with no problems.

[m_V_p651]

Well, the stock oil pressure sender is on the rear side of the block, somewhat above the oil filter but below the intake manifold. Its got a green wire running to it. Its in a horrible spot to be doing this. Keep in mind all this info is for an electric oil pressure gauge... a mechanical is generally not recommended to use into the cabin, as that introduces hot oil into the passenger compartment. Also, i did my setup to use both the oil pressure gauge and the stock sender for the dummy light in the dash. If you want to do it differently you'll have to modify your method. Here's a copy paste of a previous summary of another copy and paste that i did, yadda yadda....

to start off with, the stock sender and the block are both threaded with BSPT (british standard pipe thread). However, pretty much no matter who makes your gauge, the aftermarket sender is going to be NPT (national pipe thread), and so will pretty much all the fittings you can find. This means that you have to do some special adapters and whatnot. For this, livelyjay's post at the top of the second page in this (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123615506&page=2&highlight=oil+pressure)thread is very helpful. The second list, under "1 aftermarket gauge with stock sender" Contains all the parts you'd need for your fittings, MINUS the pieces for the remote mounting (essential because not only is there not enough room, but also because you'd have a massive amount of stuff hanging off your block and vibrating and getting undue stress).

SO....

out of the block, you'll have the 1/8" BSPT male to 1/8" NPT female listed on livelyjay's list. From there, you'll go to a 1/8" NPT male to -4AN fitting (for your hose)(this is not on the list). You'll attatch the hose here (i'll go into more detail about the hose later), and it will run to another -4AN fitting, but this time with a 1/8" NPT female on the other side. Next comes the Tee fitting thats on the list (The tee has i male and 2 female ends. the male side of the tee will attatch to the female end of your hose fitting, leaving 2 open !1/8" NPT female parts). Into one of those, you will screw in the aftermarket sender. Into the other one, you will put the 1/8" NPT male to 1/8" BSPT male adapter, then the 1/8" BSPT female coupler, and finally put the stock sender into that. I know thats hard to visualize, and its a mouthful. If i need to clarify any of that let me know.

To mount this whole assembly some place, i hooked it to the underside of the intake manifold support bracket (you can't miss this piece, big black bracket thing right to the left of where your oil filter is.

Now, as for the hose.... i had ordered a stainless steel braided hose kit from summitracing.com along with hose ends, but it simply was not going to work, the hose ends were impossible to deal with, and the hose was really quite large around for the application, even though the inside diamater was just right. SO, i went to a local 'speed shop', and managed to get a hose that was also stainless steel braided, but i believe it was made of teflon so it was much thinner while being just as strong. I also was able to get one end of it with a 90 degree fitting which helped alot. I used the straight end coming out of the block, and brought it around to the left of the manifold bracket, using the 90 degree fitting to hook up to the tee.

The assembly with the senders, as i said, was attatched to the mani support bracket. The way i orientated it, the male side of the tee was sticking out to the left, the aftermarket sender was sticking up, and the several adapters and stock sender were sticking out to the right. I put a metal hose clamp around the aftermarket sender and the bracket. I also drilled a hole in the bracket in the appropriate place and stuck a nut and bolt in there to allow the entire assembly to rest on the bolt, while being held securely by the hose clamp. In addition, to make sure the aftermarket sener was grounded very well, i took a wire that was bare on both ends, stuck one end under the hose clamp and the other in between the mani bracket and the intake mani where the bolts go, to make sure it made real good contact (if its not properly grounded you won't get an accurate reading.).

Hmmm, what else.... make sure you use thread seleant, but its reccomended that you DON'T use the tape, but instead the paste stuff. I'm not entirely sure why, but i suspect it might be a way to help make a better ground contact, but i took care of that my own way. Oh and also, the BSPT peice that goes into the block that i got from the place livelyjay reccomended kept leaking. I picked up the same type of fitting from the speed shop where i got the hose, and it worked well. I dunno if all the fittings have sealing issues, or if it was just that one, but be aware that i had a problem right there.

okay SO.....

heres a general shot of the whole assembly, mounted on the back of the intake manifold support bracket. You can use the location and orientation of the oil filter to help get a rough idea for comparison on your car...

http://f5.putfile.com/6/18010400351.jpg

and heres a shot of sorta where the hose is running...

http://f5.putfile.com/6/18010410025.jpg

and now for where it taps into the block (pic is sideways, again, use the oil filter to orientate). This is where you'll find your stock switch with the green wire running to it. (you can see the stock switch on the lower right, with the green wire running to it.... )

http://f5.putfile.com/6/18010390364.jpg






So i know thats tons of info, and i've kind of cut and paste from things i've told people before, so if theres any holes in the logic just ask, i'm more than willing to help out!!

Jason

thanks alot

[SeR_Cyclops]

+1 for the sandwich plate.

[Speed3.5]

easiest way to do it , take off the stocker sensor and put in the new sensor and keep the stocker hooked up on the wire just leave it tight somewhere by firewall side and that's it , clean and nice.

that what i did and no issue , no CEL , no headache at all.

[jmv]

easiest way to do it , take off the stocker sensor and put in the new sensor and keep the stocker hooked up on the wire just leave it tight somewhere by firewall side and that's it , clean and nice.

that what i did and no issue , no CEL , no headache at all.

well, FWIW, that may not necessarily be the best idea... i'd be very wary of threading something straight into the block that is technically different threads than the stock sensor. If the threads get messed up, you're f**ked. Apparently it worked okay for you though. Plus, i just wanted to keep the dummy light because its a bit more of an attention getter if something goes wrong fast.

But, since others seem to have had good luck with the oil filter plate adapter, thats probably the easiest way.

[low_psi]

What brand adaptor plate are you guys using?

[Concept MSP]

I got mine from glowshift.

http://www.glowshiftdirect.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=37

[m_V_p651]

hey i have a partcial sponsorship with glowshift might just get that

[FunkyBuddha]

Sorry to revive..but what's the stock oil pressure supposed to be at? And what is it when under load? thanks

[Hans507]

I got mine from glowshift.

http://www.glowshiftdirect.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=37

ok thanks.....but which one should i buy

[junya1985]

ok i got the prosport oil sandwhich plate and it didnt work on my msp cause of the longer threads for the oil cooler does the glowshift one work on the msp?

[jammypwnzor]

yes, mine keeps leaking... answer plz

[jammypwnzor]

Prosport oil sandwhich plate doesn't work!!! what to do... keeps leaking oil someone please help.

[magnumP5]

^^^ Stupid question but do you have it installed the correct way with the little gasket between the plate and the block?