ECU reflash at Mazda

[Shane5425]

my brother in law is the master tech there, i was bored and went bullshit with him, and some of the other guys around never seen a speed3, so.. i pulled it in... this dealership isn't a speed dealer they dont see to many of them, but my bro is a Speed Cert tech. anyways, he plugs the car to the computer to see if anything could update.. sure enough there was a ECU re flash. so we said what the hell, loaded it up, i have been driving around all day and i must say i have more power in all gears, and the power ban is allot smoother.
From what i glanced at on the pc is that the TSB was for some type of emissions recalibration.. basically leaning it out a bit.. that was just what this car needed..

I cleaned off the tail pipe of all the black soot and i am gonna run it for a week, see if it stays clean. btw i have MS CAI and MS CBE

[fasteract]

Did you happen to find out the build date or VIN's involved with your 08 reflash?

[Shane5425]

no, he clicked off the screen before i could read it.. ill see if i can find out, regardless the Computer has to scan the ecu to see if it is applicable to reflash..

[SharkDiver]

Im taking my car in tomorrow and they said there was a new flash that came out in october and I never heard anything about it.Im also getting that p2006 recall done and my cruis control button dont work.

[justanothermp5]

u think that all the ecu updates on the mazdaspeed 3 are the same as the cx7?
cuz my mom has a cx7

[Shane5425]

no, the ecu is tuned way differantly.. it might have a similair update, but it wont be the same one as the ms3

[mrlilguy157]

i think this is related to the cam driven fuel pump TSB which was released 4/2/08. if the car is tuned to run leaner then fuel pressures will stay higher in the rail.

www.mrlilguyCDFPs.com/random/4208HPFP_TSB.pdf

[aaronc7]

i think this is related to the cam driven fuel pump TSB which was released 4/2/08. if the car is tuned to run leaner then fuel pressures will stay higher in the rail.

www.mrlilguyCDFPs.com/random/4208HPFP_TSB.pdf

beat me to it. My car falls into the affected range...gonna have to take it in soon!

[mrlilguy157]

beat me to it. My car falls into the affected range...gonna have to take it in soon!

:D I do what I can!

Why go to the dealer for an upgraded pump if you can come to me sirrrrrr

[numbnuts22715]

Mine is too. I dunno when I'll take it, probably have to wait a few months. But really, is there a reason if I'm getting the AP, it'll be tunedto run leaner, so wouldnt that fix the problem?

[aaronc7]

:D I do what I can!

Why go to the dealer for an upgraded pump if you can come to me sirrrrrr

I can has your pump for free under warranty? lol

[speedi3]

:D I do what I can!

Why go to the dealer for an upgraded pump if you can come to me sirrrrrr



Now theres the question. Does anyone have the comparison from the factor upgraded CDFP from Mazda Corporate vs. Lil guy vs. CPE. Which one do you get? Right now without looking i say factory warranty??? But hell I dunno you are all much smarter than me.

Jonathan thanks for the info, at the risk of your own busienss you educate(top quality).... so educate more so that we come to you??? or what is the recommendation in light of this development for a new pump? HELP.

[Shane5425]

gonna have to go look at the fuel pump to see its production date.. wonder if i can see it from up top?..

[aaronc7]

For vehicles built before April 7, 2007 that are experiencing the conditions as noted in this service bulletin
after the PCM calibration update, perform a Warranty Vehicle Inquiry using your eMDCS System and
inspect Warranty Claim Inquiry Detail for high-pressure fuel pump replacement.
• If no prior history of replacement, replace the high-pressure fuel pump.

so It looks like those before 4/07 have the old(er) pump?

mines 2/07

[Shane5425]

mine was built in sept or august... forgot.. will call my brother tommorow and see if he can pull it up again.. i should be safe with my fuel pump.. but the ecu was reflashed to newest and it make a big differance..

[mrlilguy157]

Here ya go guys!

it is not a new upgraded pump from mazda.... the internals are the same (I have seen old pumps and new pumps), instead, it is the 'spill-over solenoid' on the top of the pump (the electrical connector goes to it). That is what regulates pressure with the pump and to the hard fuel line, further going to the injectors. A pin moves up and down pushing on a cap and spring assembly (itty-bitty, maybe 1/4" big), to regulate flow of gasoline to the pressurization chamber.

In no way will any body be getting a free upgrade from mazda! LOL. The pistons diameter and bore diameter are the same, no doubt about it, whatsoever. The reaction time of that solenoid (what the PDF directly talks about!) is prolonged due to the need of a larger current to run different variations of solenoids, or the 'slow response'. They arent talking about the response of the piston/bore assembly - that will always be the same - the cam is always spinning!

I hope this makes good sense to you guys. The ECU reflash will most likely raise the goal AFR of the car and ECU, which would allow higher pressures in the fuel rail, always, due to less fuel escaping the rail through the injectors and into each cylinder.

[dread]

Here ya go guys!

it is not a new upgraded pump from mazda.... the internals are the same (I have seen old pumps and new pumps), instead, it is the 'spill-over solenoid' on the top of the pump (the electrical connector goes to it). That is what regulates pressure with the pump and to the hard fuel line, further going to the injectors. A pin moves up and down pushing on a cap and spring assembly (itty-bitty, maybe 1/4" big), to regulate flow of gasoline to the pressurization chamber.

In no way will any body be getting a free upgrade from mazda! LOL. The pistons diameter and bore diameter are the same, no doubt about it, whatsoever. The reaction time of that solenoid (what the PDF directly talks about!) is prolonged due to the need of a larger current to run different variations of solenoids, or the 'slow response'. They arent talking about the response of the piston/bore assembly - that will always be the same - the mcam is always spinning


I have no idea what you are talking about. I didn't know mazda changed the fuel pumps in the later models. Are the newer ones any better. Make sure to moniter gas mileage after the flash. We need someone with a dash hawk to get this done.

I hope this makes good sense to you guys. The ECU reflash will most likely raise the goal AFR of the car and ECU, which would allow higher pressures in the fuel rail, always, due to less fuel escaping the rail through the injectors and into each cylinder.

[mrlilguy157]

i found where you posted but you may want to revise that post, its hard to find!

milage will be the same, the injected amount of fuel is no different, unless the ECU recalibration has changed. If its leaner, you'll burn less fuel and make more power

[numbnuts22715]

so, this would help anybody? I better get my ass over to mazda!
How do I know if theyre certified for speed vehicles? If they sell them, would it work? or no?

[mrlilguy157]

yes. speed dealerships all service the cars IIRC.

There is no reason not to get the reflash, and the pump swap they're doing could be beneficial to all, but if you've already got the upgraded pump, then I dont think its absolutely necessary unless you've found a flaw in the upgraded pump's performance (doubtful :D )

[dread]

So the pumps have changed in the production since august 06 when my car was built?

[SHAGwagn]

mine falls under this date, guess ill take it in too. What do i do? Just go see a service guy with the bulletin printed in hand? I cant say I'm experiencing those problems but fuck it...if theres a reflash then i want it!

[Shane5425]

Just tell them that a ecu update is available and they need to check the computer by pluging into you car and see if it is applicable to your vehicle

[knowledge007]

All I know is, is that I have been experiencing the problem listed. Rough idle, stall, and hesitation. So I am going in tomorrow with bulletin in hand. I have complained about this many times. I have even had them clean my fuel injectors to see if that was the problem. 100 dollars later same problem. I have let this issue go but now that there is an update, they are going to here from me tomorrow.

[knowledge007]

Well just got back from the dealer and they are going to replace the pump, or w/e needs to be replaced. Hopefully this will solve the problem with my rough ildes and hesitations during startup.

[desperado-c]

Well just got back from the dealer and they are going to replace the pump, or w/e needs to be replaced. Hopefully this will solve the problem with my rough ildes and hesitations during startup.

Glad to hear that in a roundabout way you're getting something for the $100 you paid for an injector cleaning. How'd they get you to do that? Unless you using extra cheapo gas from day 1 or something, there's no way you would need an injector cleaning using normal gasoline. That's what detergents are for.

[knowledge007]

I don't know really. To be honest I went ahead and went with there recommendation with the cleaning in order to document the issue of a rough idle and hesitations during cold startups. So that if and when something like this came up, they couldn't tell me that I have never mentioned anything of this sorts.

They also can't blame my exhaust due to the fact I had them install it in the first place...hehe. I work in security and safety which cover claims and all kinds of shit. I know how to cover my ass....lmao

BTW, this car has tasted nothing but Chevron premium.

[AutoXRacer]

So, the question remains... If you have not experienced any of the symptoms listed in the bulletin and your car falls within the build date prior to Nov, 2007 (my build date is 09/07)...should you get the reflash? I have no complaints in power, but if I could get more, then hook me up yo!!! (lol2)

Just wondering...

I've read in some other thread that someone got an emissions reflash that the car ran like crap afterwards.

[speedi3]

Well just got back from the dealer and they are going to replace the pump, or w/e needs to be replaced. Hopefully this will solve the problem with my rough ildes and hesitations during startup.

DAMN. my dealer just gave me a reflash and said see if that works then come back if it doesn't. I came with the memo in hand as well. I didn't have the rough idles though. I pulled both the 2187/88.... i should have spent 100 to get my injectors cleaned!

[dread]

your dealer is lazy, its there job to see if it worked not yours. How does the car feel after the reflash

[SHAGwagn]

yes please let us know how it goes wth the reflash...i dont have any problems either but wouldnt mind some more power.

[Mid_Life_Crisis]

So it sounds like this reflash leans the mix, but still at levels the factory considers safe, which is what we are all trying to do, so the reflash sounds like a no brainer.
As far as what pump to go with, that sounds pretty obvious too.
If you have a pretty much stock vehicle that qualifies for the corrected pump, get it! Mazda thinks your current pump may not be able to always supply proper fuel to your engine and they are willing to fix it.
If you are heavily modded (or plan to be) then a properly functioning factory pump is not going to cut it for you. In that case you need the upgraded pump from our resident expert and all around helpful LilGuy. ...or from those other people if you like them better.

[knowledge007]

DAMN. my dealer just gave me a reflash and said see if that works then come back if it doesn't. I came with the memo in hand as well. I didn't have the rough idles though. I pulled both the 2187/88.... i should have spent 100 to get my injectors cleaned!

I have been pulling the 2188 (burning rich during idle) a couple times. FYI, this TSB does not cover the 2188 code. Usually this code signifies a boost leak of some sort. What CP-E recommended to me was that I should tighten all my hosed and clamps and clean my MAF sensor. Whiched seemed logical considering my car was in the body shop for over a month and I am sure moving the car around that place the CAI filter picked up some shit and landed on the MAF. The MAF was alittle dirty. After I tighten all hoses and cleaned the MAF the 2188 hasn't come back...(knocks on wood)...

[Adammazda06]

i just had mine done. i have had a slight puttering at idle, and you don't have to be throwing a code to get the flash. if the flash does not help, then they go in and inspect the fuel pump. my car does idle much better. i did not notice any power increase driving it.

[j20x6]

i just had mine done. i have had a slight puttering at idle, and you don't have to be throwing a code to get the flash. if the flash does not help, then they go in and inspect the fuel pump. my car does idle much better. i did not notice any power increase driving it.

What is your build date? From my reading of the TSB, it appears as though your dealer should always replace the fuel pump if the car was built before 4/7/2007 and the fuel pump's manufacture date was before 3/26/2007.

For cars with the older fuel pump, I'm worried that an ECU flash without the fuel pump upgrade is going to cause problems...

[jaydubz]

What is your build date? From my reading of the TSB, it appears as though your dealer should always replace the fuel pump if the car was built before 4/7/2007 and the fuel pump's manufacture date was before 3/26/2007.

For cars with the older fuel pump, I'm worried that an ECU flash without the fuel pump upgrade is going to cause problems...

+1

I am also concerned that just the PCM update will not be enough. My car was built in 08/2007 I am not sure when the fuel pump was built.

[Mid_Life_Crisis]

For cars with the older fuel pump, I'm worried that an ECU flash without the fuel pump upgrade is going to cause problems...

It should not cause a problem. The purpose of the reflash is to lean the mix a bit and therefore take some load off the pump by reducing how much fuel it has to supply under load.
It can only help a weak pump, although it may not be enough, in which case you will still need to have the pump replaced.

[knowledge007]

Yes Mid, but what he meant was on he bulletin itself it states that if there is no record of replacement work on the pump, pump needs to be replaced.

[speedi3]

Yes Mid, but what he meant was on he bulletin itself it states that if there is no record of replacement work on the pump, pump needs to be replaced.

My VanDam dealer said that we will start with the PCM then do the pump if it re occurs.

Since the reflash (yesterday). No problems. No hesitation. Much more acceleration. As long as it holds I'm good.

[ms3jake]

I just got my 07 ms3 serviced. Had the mm recal done. On my invoice it also says PCM recalibrate. Is this the reflash you guys are talking about?

[Shane5425]

yep..

[matsuda]

It should not cause a problem. The purpose of the reflash is to lean the mix a bit and therefore take some load off the pump by reducing how much fuel it has to supply under load.


That is simply not true. Why would you post false information?

It is the fuel pump control algorithms that have been modified.
This reflash has absolutely nothing to do with changing the target AFR under any load condition.

[Jesse MS3GT]

So basically this relfash just changes the PID settings? I somewhat understand how proportional integral derivative tuning works since injection molding presses use that logic in order to stay in the process window to mold a good part. Im assuming PID works essentially the same no matter which application it is used in? Fuck I need sleep lmao

[Mid_Life_Crisis]

That is simply not true. Why would you post false information?

It is the fuel pump control algorithms that have been modified.
This reflash has absolutely nothing to do with changing the target AFR under any load condition.

I summarized someone else who usually has good information. I wouldn't knowingly pass on bad info.
I was a lot more excited about this when I thought it was changing the mix.
Oh well, I'm scheduled for next Saturday, and I'm still going through with it. I have unpredictable power levels, and I figure this can't hurt. Sometimes the car is fast, sometimes it is merely quick, and once in a while it takes off like a rocket (which scared the hell out of me the first time it happened).

[shucky]

I'm scheduled for next tuesday, and I'll push for them to inspect the build date of the pump. Dealer said no problem. Will report back also ...

[TurboWagon]

I took it in this morning and they said they would have to "recreate" the problem as well.

My issue is that while I know I have experienced this issue in the past, it is illusive and appears at random times. At least when I went in today, about 3 people heard my story about what the car does under 75% load when under 45 degrees; sudden power loss.

The TSB also mentions something about random power loss when engine is warm. Again, lately because of the "good" weather here, this is also hard to emulate. I feel that my car runs best on a partly cloudy day around 55 to 70 degrees F*, exaclty like the conditions today so no issues when I brought it in. I think I am going to wait until there is some freak weather and leave it for them to "diagnose"

I just hate that THEY have to prove it. My VIN should fall into the "Just needs reflash, not extensive work" for this TSB, It just sucks they wont preform the maitenance without them driving it.

[knowledge007]

Wow, amazing how some dealers can be such assholes. Does your vin fall under the TSB or not?

[TurboWagon]

There are 3 categories your car can fall into about this TSB.

1. Your vehicle needs both a reflash as well as the HPFP replacement. (Those produced before 4/7/07)
2. Your vehicle needs just the reflash. (Vehicles built between 4/8/07 and 11/22/07)
3. Your vehicle does not need work.

My car falls under number 2.

I really dont understand why this isn't a recall. If the engines are experiencing varying and intermittent power surges and falls, why not just preform the maitenance to prevent further problems down the road?

If they drive my car though, I want to ride along. There is no way I am letting them take my car for a spin without me inside.

[knowledge007]

Mine falls under number 1. Although my dealer is cool with me and all, they decided to order the pump with no questions asked. Mine has a built date of 08/06.

[wisniaPl]

dont want to sound stupid but where i can find production year of my car??

[ragindark]

dont want to sound stupid but where i can find production year of my car??

Open the driver's door and look down next to where it tells you how much air to put in your tires.

[08 SSM MS3]

ou812

[wisniaPl]

mine is 10/07 sshould i still get update??
I made appointment on thursday....this udpade is covered by warranty??
and one more thing where is this bulletin that i can print and show them??

[knowledge007]

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[ms3jake]

I took it in this morning and they said they would have to "recreate" the problem as well.

My issue is that while I know I have experienced this issue in the past, it is illusive and appears at random times. At least when I went in today, about 3 people heard my story about what the car does under 75% load when under 45 degrees; sudden power loss.

The TSB also mentions something about random power loss when engine is warm. Again, lately because of the "good" weather here, this is also hard to emulate. I feel that my car runs best on a partly cloudy day around 55 to 70 degrees F*, exaclty like the conditions today so no issues when I brought it in. I think I am going to wait until there is some freak weather and leave it for them to "diagnose"

I just hate that THEY have to prove it. My VIN should fall into the "Just needs reflash, not extensive work" for this TSB, It just sucks they wont preform the maitenance without them driving it.

Since my reflash my car always feels strong. I also had a cobb intake installed that day too so it could be attributed to the intake. Maybe both. All I know now is my car pulls way better than stock hot or cold out. When stock power not as consistant.

[GCubes]

I was surprised when I read this thread. It explains the first syndrome I experienced the weekend before my last service on April 1st: "Rough idle, stall, and/or hesitation under cold conditions".
I ask the tech to see why the engine stops twice after 5 seconds on idling. The car was rough to drive for the first 2-3 minutes, then returned to normal.

They couldn't do anything because their computer was not working and were waiting for a replacement from Mazda... I was told to call back in two weeks and they would start by updating the ECU.
I presume they knew a new version was available but didn't know the existence of the Service Bulletin (dated April 2nd).

I'll try to go for the update this week.

[knowledge007]

Pump is in, dropping the car off tomorrow in the morning. Asked how long it will take, service said they have never done one before. I am alittle worried....hehe... Oh well...

[wisniaPl]

they told me around 45 min

[knowledge007]

Thats nice...maybe I'll just come in a little late tomorrow to work then.

[wisniaPl]

so should i get it on my 08??

[Shane5425]

mine is an 08 and it needed the flash..

[wisniaPl]

I dont have symptoms rough idle etc I will do it we will see results

[EngulfinFlames]

i went to my dealershit and they said nothing new was out, but they will hook up and check for updates. and it would be "like around 40 dollars" .
am i gettin jipped?

[Chris Barnett]

if you're under warranty they shouldn't be charging you anything. This is covered by the factory.

[wisniaPl]

i went to my dealershit and they said nothing new was out, but they will hook up and check for updates. and it would be "like around 40 dollars" .
am i gettin jipped?

wtf Its free

[EngulfinFlames]

wtf is the same thing i said

[MS3077]

lol @ getting charged $40 bucks for warranty work!

You're kidding right??

[wisniaPl]

wow now name stealership make sense:p

[lewisb01]

What is your build date? From my reading of the TSB, it appears as though your dealer should always replace the fuel pump if the car was built before 4/7/2007 and the fuel pump's manufacture date was before 3/26/2007.

For cars with the older fuel pump, I'm worried that an ECU flash without the fuel pump upgrade is going to cause problems...


So what if your Car was built on 4/7/2007 like mine? do I get the reflash and a fuelpump swap?

[aaronc7]

just flash I think

[speedi3]

if you're under warranty they shouldn't be charging you anything. This is covered by the factory.

Even if your outside the warranty you should be covered. I got 40k miles and they at least did the reflash.... I do have the extended till 100k but they did ask if i had warranty.

[mckraut]

Mine's in for the appointment. I asked exactly what they were going to do and they said they would do the reflash and see if it also needed the pump replaced. We'll see what happens...

[cosmic_spd3]

Question??can this reflash be done at any mazda dealership,even a non speed dealer..??just try not have to drive too far for i have a non speed dealer closer to me..

[Shane5425]

mine was done at a non speed dealer, but i know the techs..

[knowledge007]

NO it does not matter. They all have alteast one laptop. You just plug it in and run the vin and poof there you go. Just make sure to ask when the laptop was last updated via the Mazda network. Make sure they updated it since April 2nd.

[AutoXRacer]

Anyone have it done yet? What are your impressions?

I just made an appointment online...waiting to hear back...
I hope I don't screw up my car...its running great!!! But more power is always welcomed.

[mckraut]

Just got a call from the Mazda dealership. They've done the flash but based on my build date, it didn't need the new pump.

Picking it up later today, I'll let you guys know.

[knowledge007]

Pump is being installed today as we speak. Hopefully get the car back later today or tomorrow.

[mckraut]

ECU reflash done. Car pulls so damn hard now, I'm running an 8 second quarter mile. Unfortunately I left the slip in my other pants.

Car doesn't seem any different yet. I'll keep you guys updated.

[EngulfinFlames]

i did the reflash today, got about 3 miles down the road and threw a CEL, P2801 (or something like that ) running lean at idle speeds. went back and cleared it. Drove about 20 more miles and threw it again. gotta check my connections on my FMIC and vac lines and see if its an error on my end. other than that, i'm pretty happy with the performance (what little is noticable)

[MS3077]

i did the reflash today, got about 3 miles down the road and threw a CEL, P2801 (or something like that ) running lean at idle speeds. went back and cleared it. Drove about 20 more miles and threw it again. gotta check my connections on my FMIC and vac lines and see if its an error on my end. other than that, i'm pretty happy with the performance (what little is noticable)


It's nice to know they even did the reflash on yours considering you are Modded all to hell :)

[blacksheepms3]

i did the reflash today, got about 3 miles down the road and threw a CEL, P2801 (or something like that ) running lean at idle speeds. went back and cleared it. Drove about 20 more miles and threw it again. gotta check my connections on my FMIC and vac lines and see if its an error on my end. other than that, i'm pretty happy with the performance (what little is noticable)

that's good that they did it even with the fmic peaking up front. I have a dp and i plan on hiding it with customized heat shields before i'll get it reflashed to keep the warranty nazis at bay. Should i install my stock wheels with the tpms in it so the reflash can be done? I heard all sensors have to be in the car for any reflash to be done.

[Darkhorse]

It's nice to know they even did the reflash on yours considering you are Modded all to hell :)

yeah seriously. i hate dealerships. anyways. i got it done today as well today. I honestly don't really know. at time my butt dyno is saying yeah it pulls harder which i think it does and then i just second guess myself. anywho, seems like less soot buildup though. Anyone else notice that?

[MS3077]

I'm getting mine done this saturday

[EngulfinFlames]

It's nice to know they even did the reflash on yours considering you are Modded all to hell :)

yea, the guy at the service desk even asked if it was a CP-e FMIC.

[AutoXRacer]

Hmm... Less soot would be nice.
As far as more power...hell, I can't even tell if mods give more power anymore. Once you reach a certain level...5-10-15 HP won't be felt...its all wheel spin...(burnout)(lol2)

[MS3077]

Hmm... Less soot would be nice.
As far as more power...hell, I can't even tell if mods give more power anymore. Once you reach a certain level...5-10-15 HP won't be felt...its all wheel spin...(burnout)(lol2)

Yeah I don't really see the point in adding a bigger turbo on this car.
I love this car but come on.. It's FWD

[flyrevs]

that's good that they did it even with the fmic peaking up front. I have a dp and i plan on hiding it with customized heat shields before i'll get it reflashed to keep the warranty nazis at bay. Should i install my stock wheels with the tpms in it so the reflash can be done? I heard all sensors have to be in the car for any reflash to be done. i have my winter rims on (no tpms) and got the re-flash done today so don't worry about tpms - it doesn't matter

[staples187]

So if you don't have a powertrain warranty, does that mean they don't cover recalls?

[AutoXRacer]

Just got an appointment for Friday!!!

[AutoXRacer]

For those of you that had the reflash done, did you have the listed symptoms/issues listed in the TSB?

[Shane5425]

yes, i had bad cold startups when the weather was cold.. after it warmed up , it was fine.. this clear this problem with cold startups..

[knowledge007]

Well, i just got back from the dealer. PCM update and pump replaced. Car is acting alittle korcky, I drove approx. 15 miles back to work. I am going to let settle in for about another 35 miles... I will get back to you guys.

[SPEED305]

Please Do!

[blacksheepms3]

i have my winter rims on (no tpms) and got the re-flash done today so don't worry about tpms - it doesn't matter

thanks for the info.

[wisniaPl]

no reflash for me my car is under vin I should get it but I didnt have any problems and cels so they said come back if something will be wrong fuckers Im waiting for cobb ap

[staples187]

That's because they can't get paid by Mazda since there wasnt anything actually done to the car. If you would have said I had a check engine light and it went away then they could do the reflash.

[knowledge007]

Well so far so good, nothing really noticable. Everything seems to be fine... Knock on wood.

[AutoXRacer]

Well so far so good, nothing really noticable. Everything seems to be fine... Knock on wood.

No improvement... Changes? Nothing? (huh)

[knowledge007]

Well, I am not sure, car tends to pull a tad harder. For the rough idle, it seems to have dissipated somewhat. The only thing I can feel now is the exhaust b/c of the 88 duro rear engine mount. But, the cold start hesitations, I will have to give more time. Its only been a day. But I can say, the car started this morning with no probs...

[AutoXRacer]

Just came back from the dealers... I got DENIED (due to mods)!!!!!
Service lady said due to my mods they could not do it...she said I could return the car to stock and they'll be happy to do it... I just said that ain't gonna happen...to far into mods now.

Then she said we would have to charge you... I said go ahead, whatever you have to do...

She spoke with the tech and he said there were no updates for my PCM/ECU...

I am wondering if I got shafted and blown off...????? According to the TSB, my VIN and build date is affected.

[wisniaPl]

same here....but because my car was fine(no cels etc) If car is ok don't waste your time wait for cobb ap

[tru-boost]

well i just got flashed, and yes my car did have some stutters and hiccups in the cols (not fuel cut). well the car actually seems to idle smoother. it sounds weak now. i used to have a little gurgle sound, now it just purrs. it drives 100% the same i feel nothing different. as for my AFR's, i actually seem to be more rich now ! i usually have AFR's in the low11-high10's i now run mid-low 10's. i have even seen high 9's. my car NEVER dipped into the 9's pre-flash.

[07SilverSpeed6]

I just got mine back about an hour ago from the dealership. I had intermittent power hesitations and occasional rough idle, no CELs. They test drove it (read "joy ride") and could not replicate anything, which the service writer and I thought was going to happen. This time the dealer surprised me and did the reflash.

Sitting at the light outside the dealership, the car was too smooth to where I had to turn down the radio to figure out if the car was still running. The powerband is much smoother now, as well. It is cut down on the puff of black smoke when I drop from 5th to 3rd and pound on it.

[bast525]

same here after the reflash...

idle is noticeably smoother (even my wife commented on this!). no more stumbles when col. throttle response is better. car seems to pull harder. and I haven't seen the usual puff of black smoke when punching it.

i'm very happy with the car post-flash.

[Mid_Life_Crisis]

I had an appointment for this morning. Brought it in and they checked the fuel pump and decided that should be replaced also. The service manager said that it is a two piece job. They have to do the flash and the pump at the same time or Mazda corporate will give them a hard time, so would I mind bringing it back. I expected to have to bring it back for the pump (I doubted they keep them in stock) so I am fine with that. I'm thinking they can swap the pump while the ecu gets reflashed so they want to do them at the same time, and I'm fine with that too. The service manager offered me a loaner for while the car is there, so all is good. I'll let you know if I see any difference.
In my case, I have inconsistent power output and an occasional bout of rough idle, so I complained about the intermittent power issues, which is part of the tsb but doesn't throw a cel, so they can't claim it isn't true. If they drive it and they don't experience it, well, I did say it was intermittent, didn't I? It probably helps that my car falls into the period that the tsb is written for for both the flash and the pump.

[hectik1]

My appointment is tomorrow. (rockon) My idle is so bad my wife even noticed it.(eek2)

[AutoXRacer]

How bad is yalls idle...? (huh)

How much are the RPMs varying...? Mine vary about +/- 200 RPMs (seems smooth)...

Please describe!!!! Has this been happening all along or just recently?

[Mid_Life_Crisis]

How bad is yalls idle...? (huh)

How much are the RPMs varying...? Mine vary about +/- 200 RPMs (seems smooth)...

Please describe!!!! Has this been happening all along or just recently?

I get the "hunting" idle a lot. I actually consider that pretty normal on a car like ours with lots of electronics and emissions crap on it, at least until it is fully warmed up. When I say rough idle, it actually bucks a little and feels like it might stall.

[knowledge007]

exactly...

[tru-boost]

the reflash sucks.....my AFR's are more rich and i get fueul cut in the uppergears from a roll on. PITA this car is.

[Shane5425]

mine is great , but i am pretty much stock only cai and cbe.. guess you have to wait for cobb

[AutoXRacer]

the reflash sucks.....my AFR's are more rich and i get fueul cut in the uppergears from a roll on. PITA this car is.

Someone needs to come out with a tuning solution!!!!(direct)
This is very frustrating!!! (bang)

[Shane5425]

i have a company who is showing interist in makeing one. http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123704621

[AutoXRacer]

I live right next to Super Chips... I'm willing to be a test bed!!!

[blacksheepms3]

i called mazda today to make an appointment for the tsb for fuel pump. i told the guy my build date was june 2006. he asked his manager and came back to me and said that i dont need it if i dont have a cel. my car dont idle rough, no smoking, i have tbe, i had boost /fuel cut when i just installed it but it doesnt happen anymore...i think my ecu has adjusted. anyways...is it true that u cant have the tsb unless u have cel or rough idle or any problem associated with fuel pump and reflash even though your build date is before the affected build date?

[MS3077]

I got the re-flash about a week ago. Runs the same, guess I didn't really need it. I was hell bent on getting it done because some people were claiming massive power gains from it. Claims of 350whp and 12 sec 1/4's weren't uncommon so I figured I better jump on this shit :( I'm still stuck with a high 13 sec car...

[Mid_Life_Crisis]

i called mazda today to make an appointment for the tsb for fuel pump. i told the guy my build date was june 2006. he asked his manager and came back to me and said that i dont need it if i dont have a cel. my car dont idle rough, no smoking, i have tbe, i had boost /fuel cut when i just installed it but it doesnt happen anymore...i think my ecu has adjusted. anyways...is it true that u cant have the tsb unless u have cel or rough idle or any problem associated with fuel pump and reflash even though your build date is before the affected build date?

I don't think so. I very calmly but firmly made it clear to the service guy I spoke to that I had read the bulletin and knew full well that a complaint of rough idle or intermittent power loss (neither of which will necessarily cause a cel) is sufficient to warrant the reflash and if qualified by manufacture date, a replacement fuel pump. I made clear that I have the power issues and that because it was intermittent them test driving it was pointless. I must have a really good service guy, because he only made a token effort to dissuade me then made the appointment. They checked the dates and told me that the pump needed to be replaced as well and asked if I could come back and get it all done at the same time. He claims they have to do both at the same time if the car qualifies for both, but I think he just wanted to do both jobs at the same time. I let him get by with that without an argument, because it isn't going to hurt me to help him out by letting him bill Mazda for the two jobs when they are getting done at the same time. I know they don't make shop rate on warranty work, but every little bit helps.

[blacksheepms3]

I don't think so. I very calmly but firmly made it clear to the service guy I spoke to that I had read the bulletin and knew full well that a complaint of rough idle or intermittent power loss (neither of which will necessarily cause a cel) is sufficient to warrant the reflash and if qualified by manufacture date, a replacement fuel pump. I made clear that I have the power issues and that because it was intermittent them test driving it was pointless. I must have a really good service guy, because he only made a token effort to dissuade me then made the appointment. They checked the dates and told me that the pump needed to be replaced as well and asked if I could come back and get it all done at the same time. He claims they have to do both at the same time if the car qualifies for both, but I think he just wanted to do both jobs at the same time. I let him get by with that without an argument, because it isn't going to hurt me to help him out by letting him bill Mazda for the two jobs when they are getting done at the same time. I know they don't make shop rate on warranty work, but every little bit helps.

Thanks, i will call again and tell them they need to check again to see if they need to replace my fuel pump based on the tsb manufactured date requirement.

[Mid_Life_Crisis]

Thanks, i will call again and tell them they need to check again to see if they need to replace my fuel pump based on the tsb manufactured date requirement.

You need to remember that the date for the reflash is the date the car was built, but the date for the pump is the date it was built, which they need the car in the shop to check. Your build date may be after the pump cutoff date, but the pump could have been built earlier.

[mckraut]

I got the re-flash about a week ago. Runs the same, guess I didn't really need it. I was hell bent on getting it done because some people were claiming massive power gains from it. Claims of 350whp and 12 sec 1/4's weren't uncommon so I figured I better jump on this shit :( I'm still stuck with a high 13 sec car...

lol, you can't be serious...naive much?

[boost3]

I just got my 2 recalls done.1 a ecu flash and another the turbo actuator.And i think the car runs more krisp.Not boggy .Dosent feel as rich i liek the way it feel snow soo much smoother.I had to go to 2 dealers to get this recalls done.

[Shane5425]

turbo actuator??? they have a recall on it?

[mckraut]

turbo actuator??? they have a recall on it?

+1 What are you talking about?

[knowledge007]

I think boost is a little bit confused.

[MS3077]

I think boost is a little bit confused.

+1

[CHIEFSMS3]

I just got back from taking my car in for the reflash.

My car is a 02/07 build date.

My VIN fell within the guidelines.

The first thing they did was look at the pump production date.

The next thing they did was order the new pump.

They never even tried the reflash.

Will replace pump and reflash next week when the new pump arrives.

Took 15 minutes. Only an MS-CAI for mods no hassles.

[MS3077]

I have the Cobb SRI amongst other None MS mods and no hassles

[Ebruess]

I got my reflash done today and I find that my power will now hold through to 6,100RPM. I took mine in because I found a lack of power once the engine was warmer. Anyone else experience positive effects after reflash?

[MidwestSpeed3]

I experienced the same thing after getting the refresh myself. Power used to fall off at 5800, now it is about 6100. It also doesn't fall off quite as abruptly.

[speedi3]

Chief, You still want to get the flash. the total fix requires both parts.

Seperately... my pump was ordered yesterday after much haggling.

[Mid_Life_Crisis]

Chief, You still want to get the flash. the total fix requires both parts.

Separately... my pump was ordered yesterday after much haggling.

Chief's experience is the same as mine. If you qualify for both, the dealer wants (needs?) to do both at the same time. Whether that is a policy handed down by the people they have to answer to or if they would just rather have a tech swapping out the pump while ECU is updating and get two things done at the same time, we may never know, and I for one don't care. As long as they do both and don't hassle me about it, I'm happy.

[CHIEFSMS3]

Chief, You still want to get the flash. the total fix requires both parts.

Seperately... my pump was ordered yesterday after much haggling.

Reread my post they will replace the pump and do the reflash next week.

[speedi3]

Reread my post they will replace the pump and do the reflash next week.

IC. These dealers are all different. Mine said flash first then if there are problems we will order a pump. As long as you get it... it doesn't matter.

[jasonl33w]

I have a question, I have an 07 us spec speed3 that falls in the range of the fuel pump tsb, but i'm in Germany, anybody know, or have a competent dealer that could give some information on if it is possible get the software update to a german dealer? The dealers I have talked to in the states, and here have no idea, I still need the obdII recal update as well, they replaced my valve, but did not get the software flash.

And is there any benefit in only replacing the fuel pump? or do I NEED the flash too?

thanks for any help

[Shane5425]

doesnt the eurospec mps 3 have more power..... get them to flash it to eurospec if it does...

[jasonl33w]

they said they didn't want to do that because mazda germany says its a different motor, or it has different parts and that the software might not work with it..so if they mess up my car, they don't have access to the original one to flash it back...
does anybody know if it is possible to get technical specs/differences between euro and us model's?

[dread]

euro spec has less power and there is no way you can flash a euro spec with a US map. If Mazda thinks its necessary they will make a flash available for euro spec cars. Otherwise don't worry about it. If your not having problems with your car you don't need a flash. Its not going to give you any benefits

[bast525]

I got my reflash done today and I find that my power will now hold through to 6,100RPM. I took mine in because I found a lack of power once the engine was warmer. Anyone else experience positive effects after reflash?

Agreed... I"ve been noticing this on hard pulls in 3rd and 4th gear... power does not fall off nearly as abruptly, and does seem to hold SLIGHTLY longer. There were times before the flash when I would WOT in 3rd, maybe trying to pass on the freeway or something, and I wouldnt' be watching the tach, and I'd know when to shift IMMEDIATELY as it would feel like the engine just QUIT. Now I actually have to watch the tach... It doesn't just hit a wall like it used to, and if I'm not paying attention I don't even notice it until I hit the rev limiter :)

If I had cash to waste I'd hit the same dyno I got my baseline at and see what's going on. But now even after a couple weeks of having the flash it still feels much better than it did

[Ferdball]

Agreed... I"ve been noticing this on hard pulls in 3rd and 4th gear... power does not fall off nearly as abruptly, and does seem to hold SLIGHTLY longer. There were times before the flash when I would WOT in 3rd, maybe trying to pass on the freeway or something, and I wouldnt' be watching the tach, and I'd know when to shift IMMEDIATELY as it would feel like the engine just QUIT. Now I actually have to watch the tach... It doesn't just hit a wall like it used to, and if I'm not paying attention I don't even notice it until I hit the rev limiter :)

If I had cash to waste I'd hit the same dyno I got my baseline at and see what's going on. But now even after a couple weeks of having the flash it still feels much better than it did

I wanted to wait a while before I said anything, but mine feels the same. I'm going to do a dyno run on 5/10 to make sure. I have a baseline from the same dyno.

[funkyman]

If these ECU`s can be flashed why don`t the tuners flash them thenbased on their various mods.

[blake_peanut]

Sub - mine falls under it, see if I get it done or not...seems it doesn't really matter.

[Shane5425]

If these ECU`s can be flashed why don`t the tuners flash them thenbased on their various mods.

the tuning is encrypted, its not like just loading a program on a pc.. there is software and hardware on the consumer market being developed as we speak but nothing is released yet..

[DaveMS307]

My car was built in 07 before the cut off in the TSB, but they would only redo the ECU flash and not the pump. Said if it doesn't fix it, then they'll order a pump.

Gotta say the flash made a HUGE difference. Throttle response is much better - no falling on it's face before it goes now. But I think it is still hesitating after a longer drive in upper gears.....

I'm going to give it a few days and see if the computer relearns, etc.

[boost_me]

(iagree)


well i got the pump and flash...

only mods on the car now are MSCAI and FORGE BPV, took my turbo XS DP+Race pipe off because they also did my inspection and i know it wouldn't pass with no cats...

anyway car feel MUCH better... isn't falling on its face like it did before the DP @ 5k rmps...

most importantly no more CELS damn lean this and throttle stuck open that.. BS.. i'm HAPPY!

after the rain stops i'm throwing my DP+Test pipe back in...

[knowledge007]

the tuning is encrypted, its not like just loading a program on a pc.. there is software and hardware on the consumer market being developed as we speak but nothing is released yet..

I wouldn't have even entertained his question.

[funkyman]

I wouldn't have even entertained his question.
Not a friendly comment from a neighbour hey?(confused)

[Shane5425]

I wouldn't have even entertained his question.

wasnt entertaining, just informing..

[knowledge007]

wasnt entertaining, just informing..

Your not getting the point...no prob. Anyway, still experiencing some hesitations during startup. Everything else has gone away including my rich codes.

[08cosmic3]

I had the pcm reprogram done recently and so far have not noticed any change and I still have rough idle. I have not taken it out and opened it up through the gears yet, so I don't know if the stumbling will reoccure. How can I tell if they even loaded the right update or that they loaded anything at all. I'm sceptical about dealerships and the service departments.

I gave them a copy of the service bulletin and they noted on my invoice that I found the bulletin online.

[MS3077]

I had the pcm reprogram done recently and so far have not noticed any change and I still have rough idle. I have not taken it out and opened it up through the gears yet, so I don't know if the stumbling will reoccure. How can I tell if they even loaded the right update or that they loaded anything at all. I'm sceptical about dealerships and the service departments.

I gave them a copy of the service bulletin and they noted on my invoice that I found the bulletin online.

If you just got it done give it some time for the ECU to adapt.

[Gmac03]

How about this, I brought the car in and had them look into me needing the reflash.

They hooked it up, looked into it and they said I didn't need anything.

Funny thing is, I drive away, get on it and it seems like I have a significant loss of power.

They didn't touch anything under the hood, what the hell is up?

Just doesn't rip like it did prior to me bringing it in.

Gmac

[controlo]

How about this, I brought the car in and had them look into me needing the reflash.

They hooked it up, looked into it and they said I didn't need anything.

Funny thing is, I drive away, get on it and it seems like I have a significant loss of power.

They didn't touch anything under the hood, what the hell is up?

Just doesn't rip like it did prior to me bringing it in.

Gmac


that sounds to me like they just did a reflash to make sure. give your car a day or so of driving and it'll rip once more!!! :)

[AutoXRacer]

The service department at dealers are total tools...
They are totally clueless when it comes to cars...along with their techs.
I always thought the service department at dealers where the most knowledgeble people about theirs cars... NOT!!!!(hand)

[funkyman]

The service department at dealers are total tools...
They are totally clueless when it comes to cars...along with their techs.
I always thought the service department at dealers where the most knowledgeble people about theirs cars... NOT!!!!(hand)

You said it no matter what dealership BMW,Aston Martin where ever.They are clueless.One thing they scratched my shift knob pretty badly,obviously the mechanic or driver was wearing a ring or two but i complained and got a new one which apparently was 244usd or something as if i care.

[whitey4311]

I went today and they said a TSB does not mean that it needs to be done. It is for the techs to review for when a car comes in with the symptoms listed on the report.

Mine had none of the symptoms and no problems so they drove it to confirm this and said there is nothing needed to be done. So I got my oil change and off I went.

I called another dealer to confirm that this one wasnt being lazy and they told me the same story. TSB is merely a tool for the techs to use when solving an issue with a car. It becomes a TSB when multiple cars have the same issue but it does not mean that all cars in the build year listed will have the problem.

Made sense to me and if it aint broke fit it until it is or leave it alone, lol.

[Davidb]

I went today and they said a TSB does not mean that it needs to be done. It is for the techs to review for when a car comes in with the symptoms listed on the report.

Mine had none of the symptoms and no problems so they drove it to confirm this and said there is nothing needed to be done. So I got my oil change and off I went.

I called another dealer to confirm that this one wasnt being lazy and they told me the same story. TSB is merely a tool for the techs to use when solving an issue with a car. It becomes a TSB when multiple cars have the same issue but it does not mean that all cars in the build year listed will have the problem.

Made sense to me and if it aint broke fit it until it is or leave it alone, lol.


That is bs...i'm a lexus tech and they are lazy. If someone wants a reflash i'm going to do it...that is easy money to a tech. Its hard to find good techs and good dealerships. But the tsb is there for reference but if its under warranty then why the hell not do it(if availble) and get paid for doing it and making the customer happy all at once. I don't understand all these stories that i'm hearing about techs not wanting to do reflashes...

[Shane5425]

i dont think its really the techs, its prolly more of the service writers..

[Super Unique]

there is wisdom to finding a good dealer service dept, with a tech that you can trust. Go out of your way to be flexible and ensure the same, good tech works on your car each time.

I have been known to actually tip a good tech for a good job from time to time. I have also sent letters to dealership owners informing them of how well, or how bad their staff is doing.

[whitey4311]

The service writers went back to ask the tech about it and that was what was told to me.

Like I said I called the dealer I bought it from that is 40 minutes away and they confirmed this as normal procedure. They said that there must bt tons of TSB's and that it would be crazy to address each one of them even though there is no symptoms.

It made sense to me that if the car is fine why mess with it so I let it go. If I have issue or a CEL then it would make sense for them to dig deeper.

Maybe lazy or maybe honest in not billing Mazda for BS work just so they can make a few bucks.

[Davidb]

if the customer wants it and if its availible for your car then its not bs work. i look for new tsb's everyday...its good to stay on top of things so you know what is going on. i guess im to much into customer service....

plain and simple the techs just dont want to deal with it.


The service writers went back to ask the tech about it and that was what was told to me.

Like I said I called the dealer I bought it from that is 40 minutes away and they confirmed this as normal procedure. They said that there must bt tons of TSB's and that it would be crazy to address each one of them even though there is no symptoms.

It made sense to me that if the car is fine why mess with it so I let it go. If I have issue or a CEL then it would make sense for them to dig deeper.

Maybe lazy or maybe honest in not billing Mazda for BS work just so they can make a few bucks.

[Nliiitend1]

If nothing else, as the owner of your warranty you deserve to have the most up-to-date ECU flash available for the car, IMO.

It only takes them a moment to do it and honestly doesn't even cost the dealership much labor at all...

That's how I feel about it anyway. Any dealer that wants my future business should at least provide me with the reflash regardless of symptoms.

[whitey4311]

I see your points but what are you gaining if there is nothing wrong to begin with?

If my car is running great I dont think I want to start messing with it. If I had symptoms at all I would push the subject a bit more and I am sure they would do what is necessary. I just dont have anything to complain about so I feel stupid asking them to fix something that isnt broke.

Besides how do you know the techs even did what they said on your cars? Their reflash could be checking to see if you need one and saying its done when they discover it is up to date.

[blacksheepms3]

quick question everyone. At what rpm our cars should be idling?

[MS3077]

quick question everyone. At what rpm our cars should be idling?

Right about 750rpms.

[Max Freed]

I was able to get the reflash, and I pretty much agree with what others have said about how the car seems to hold power to redline better. My car was already running great before, but it seems to have just a tad more midrange punch and better top end.

One other I have noticed is that it also eliminated the minor backfire I would get in between shifts during WOT (not flat shifting). I have a CAI and 3" CBE.

[blacksheepms3]

Right about 750rpms.

it was idling at around that rpm and it got me worried cause i thought it's supposed to be at 1k like other cars i know. now it idles at 1k and i thought it was normal. the car dont shake, I dont think it's rough idling. I contacted by dealer and told them about the TSB, the guy told me i dont need to come in if there's no CEL...i told him my build date falls within range of TSB. I will call them again once it gets warmer and push more for them to atleast check my fuel pump production date, I will tell them i have "intermittent" (copied from another memeber here) power loss up top.

[whitey4311]

I can see the comfort in knowing they checked the fuel pump but why lie about symptoms if you have none? When the motor mount/bolt issue was around I was scared as hell but in the end it was a Campaign/recall so it was corrected. TSB's are not a necessity to be addressed and I doubt you will get them to check it with out them doing all possible to duplicate what you say by test driving it.

I just did all this and in the end figured it was stupid to pretend the car was acting up and decided to leave it alone. I will watch it real close and now that I am on the last 1k life of my tires I will drive the shit out of it and pay close attention. Other then that unless something really is wrong I am not going to have them monkey around in there just for fun.

Besides do you really think they are going to open it up for fun? The service douche bag said to me it is an 8 hour job so bet your ass they will test drive it first and run diagnostic looking for a CEL before they just take your word for it.

For them to just do it I imagine it would take you being very demanding and not back down or they just arent going to do it. Beyond that it would then take a manager to get involved because 2 dealers close to me dont just perform work for a TSB when you have no symptoms.

I confirmed this with a friend who is a mechanic and he said most cars have tons of TSB's but it doesnt mean yours has anything wrong with it. He says its for the retarded techs who are too stupid to problem solve so they just read through all the TSB's and try things until one works, lol.

Besides I bet those who had it done and had no real symptoms would never know the difference if it was really done or not. In other words they could have said they did it and all they did is a simple check and put it back. Either way I really doubt you notice any performance change.

[ericrapp]

They, the Dealership can look at codes or see if it was already flashed. My salesman has been very helpful. Apparently if I throw a lean code regardless of exhaust and IC and MSCAI. They will assist me.

[blacksheepms3]

I can see the comfort in knowing they checked the fuel pump but why lie about symptoms if you have none? When the motor mount/bolt issue was around I was scared as hell but in the end it was a Campaign/recall so it was corrected. TSB's are not a necessity to be addressed and I doubt you will get them to check it with out them doing all possible to duplicate what you say by test driving it.

I just did all this and in the end figured it was stupid to pretend the car was acting up and decided to leave it alone. I will watch it real close and now that I am on the last 1k life of my tires I will drive the shit out of it and pay close attention. Other then that unless something really is wrong I am not going to have them monkey around in there just for fun.

Besides do you really think they are going to open it up for fun? The service douche bag said to me it is an 8 hour job so bet your ass they will test drive it first and run diagnostic looking for a CEL before they just take your word for it.

For them to just do it I imagine it would take you being very demanding and not back down or they just arent going to do it. Beyond that it would then take a manager to get involved because 2 dealers close to me dont just perform work for a TSB when you have no symptoms.

I confirmed this with a friend who is a mechanic and he said most cars have tons of TSB's but it doesnt mean yours has anything wrong with it. He says its for the retarded techs who are too stupid to problem solve so they just read through all the TSB's and try things until one works, lol.

Besides I bet those who had it done and had no real symptoms would never know the difference if it was really done or not. In other words they could have said they did it and all they did is a simple check and put it back. Either way I really doubt you notice any performance change.


it's not fun at all to go there and possibly waste my time, but i'd want what i paid for. Maybe the performance can be better if they change the pump. Why not get it checked, if it doesnt need it then good it doesnt need it. But i want my pump production date checked. It's sort of true...intermittent loss of power up top, probably caused my fuel pump that cant maintain pressure.

[ericrapp]

it's not fun at all to go there and possibly waste my time, but i'd want what i paid for. Maybe the performance can be better if they change the pump. Why not get it checked, if it doesnt need it then good it doesnt need it. But i want my pump production date checked. It's sort of true...intermittent loss of power up top, probably caused my fuel pump that cant maintain pressure.
Absolutely on all counts!

[08MicaSpeed3]

After finding this thread I checked my build date (06/07) and VIN... I fall into the range for the needed Re-flash only but when I called the dealership I bought my car from and they tell me they know nothing about the TSB, like can't find it at all. I don't really notice "rough idle" on my car but I have what feels like a hiccup during acceleration. I have only thrown a CEL once shortly after I bought the car and haven't seen it since then. I have no mods on the car at all. Any suggestions?

[08cosmic3]

I printed the TSB and took it with me to the dealer. I did have rough idle at times.

[blacksheepms3]

I printed the TSB and took it with me to the dealer. I did have rough idle at times.

what did they say about it?

edit: sorry I went a page before and saw ur post. So did they gave u a hard time because u got the bulletin from online? or did they do the job anyway?

[08cosmic3]

They did the flash without complaining. They did note on my invoice that "Customer found bulletin online". I guess thats a signal to Mazda that I'm one of the forum guys.

I think that dealers hate that we know more about our cars than they do. They have a MUCH harder time lying to us than before the internet.

I have a 2004 Toyota Sienna that has an issue with the door stop straps breaking. Toyota tried to make it go away but too many Sienna owners got together on the forum and now Toyota has had to extend the warranty for this issue. I went in for regular service and talked to the service manager about the potential problem and he tried to tell me it only affect a very few cars. I informed him that it ONLY effects All 2004-2007 Siennas. I knew way more than he did about the problem or he was trying to pull the wool over my eyes.

The forums are a great way to stay ahead of the service departments. Most will flat lie to you. They don't like these forums.

[whitey4311]

I just dot know guys. I called 2 dealers and they said no way does a TSB mean anything other then notes to the techs so they can research issues a car may have and get an idea of a fix. They both said no way would they just perform a TSB with out an issue or being able to drive the car are reproduce the issue.

I asked mechanic friends and they told me the same thing and said the longer a car is out on the market the more TSB's there are. Apparently soon there will so many and its obvious that you wont have all those symptoms to require such a fix. Its only for cars that have a problem and unlike a Campaign they wont just "do the work" to make you happy.

[MS3077]

Mine was done without the techs "proving" anything was wrong with my car. I told them it was a sporadic issue with power loss only occasionally. They took my work for it and preformed the reflash and now the car runs better as others have mentioned. Just keep pushing the issue if you want it done if they give you a hard time over it.

[08cosmic3]

I was having rough idle issues. The Flash takes 10 minutes from what I hear and I was at the dealer for only 30 minutes. If the dealer service department wants my future business then they will make me happy. The dealer service departs charge an arm and a leg for their work, so they will make me happy if they want to see me again.

[MS3077]

I was having rough idle issues. The Flash takes 10 minutes from what I hear and I was at the dealer for only 30 minutes. If the dealer service department wants my future business then they will make me happy. The dealer service departs charge an arm and a leg for their work, so they will make me happy if they want to see me again.

Yeah I got mine done in conjuction with an oil change and I think I waited something like 30 -45 min at most. It's a really simple thing for them to do

[DKo5]

I just had my MS3 in for its service interval and asked about it - saying that there was a TSB issued and that I believed my VIN was in the range. He didn't know anything about it, and they didn't even check despite me asking them to. :(

[DaveMS307]

Mine's in getting the new fuel pump today....

I hope it finally fixes the crappy running issues...

[whitey4311]

Well I will press the issue of the Reflash and probably have to drive the 30 minutes to a dealer where I have a reputation with the service writer. The guy is cool with me and shouldnt have an issue taking care of it but it seems you have to know them to get shit done.

I will call him tomorrow and see what he says but the same dealer with a different service writer told me it is only if I have issues.

When I think about it there may be something though. Today I got it to ping again in 6th gear under a light load at about 60-70 mph. It sounds like a fast tick then if I go back to 5th gear or let up on the gas it stops. I thought it was just from being in too high a gear and under too much load but am not sure.

As far as power it seems fine to me and I assume when they speak about loss of power it really chokes. Mine doesnt do that at all but in 5th and 6th on a hot day it doesnt seem like it wants to haul ass either. I did a little fast off the line up to 3rd gear and it ripped with a bit of tire chirping so it has its balls still.

Does this sound like anything bad with the ping or ticking or is that just over loading the engine?

I will make that call and more then likely take it in Sat early AM when that guy is there. He is the one that got my rotors turned for free under warranty when I had some steering wheel shaking just before 12k miles.

[ericrapp]

I would like them to have a look at my soft codes before I go any further. Just to see what is what. I could throw the wideband on now but there is no point if I can not make my own adjustments. That is the further part. Let us know what they can do for you 4311, and Dave please get back to us with details about the fuel problem. Thanks

[whitey4311]

I called the dealer and the service writer lady seems like she knows her shit. She said if I down shift and the pinging goes away its not a problem other then my driving technique. She said the car is built to drive and to not be in the high gears when I put my foot in it. She said down shift and hammer it then run through the gears or it will retard and give me that noise.

She said if I ever find anything wrong or think I have the symptoms in that TSB they would love to do the work since that is how they get paid. I dont have any of those issues and it seems I need to stop granny shifting to save tire life and get on it a bit more.

[Gmac03]

I would like to meet this lady.

Gmac

[MS3077]

Mazdaspeed3's with 20k+ tire life= fail

[sp23mayhem]

hey there, im currently debating getting my stock ecu reflashed by piasini. Im in Australia and have an sp23mazda 3 which is a 2.3ltr model.

I have a few questions maybe members here could help out, ive also started a thread here but havent got many responses. Sp23 piasini Ecu.

I was wondering if the base functioning of the ECU will kick in??? Most ECU tunings look at A/F ratios and ignition timing. Now the stock ECU will always "tune" the engine though timing and A/F ratio depending on the fuel being used; it has it's own knock sensor and advanced/retards timing to a particular amount of knock. Does this mean that we can "tune" the timing in an advanced state, hence pushing the knock up a bit, hence the stock ECU senses the increased knock then retards the timing again????? Effectively this would be the stock ECU undoing the tuning that was done.

[dion51]

took mine in today. reflash new pump and a new turbo actuator. had no probs with my mods at all! get car back on tuesday!

[MS3077]

took mine in today. reflash new pump and a new turbo actuator. had no probs with my mods at all! get car back on tuesday!

*Off topic - Love the wheels! Powder coated? Looks black? How much$

[dion51]

they are painted mazda black mica. 300 from a friend of mine!

[SharkDiver]

That makes me want to do mine like that..It looks nice..

[ericrapp]

took mine in today. reflash new pump and a new turbo actuator. had no probs with my mods at all! get car back on tuesday!
Man that is all right, I wish we all had that kind of service. I am about to test my dealership, I am a bit um apprehensive....

[MS3077]

they are painted mazda black mica. 300 from a friend of mine!

Nice work!