Why cant our community be like this?!?!

[jaydubz]

Looks like the BMW guys really come through for one of their own. Our community is horribly self centered! Flame away after reading!

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/03/bmw-dealerships-pats-itself-on-back-for-delivering-m3-sedan-to-e/

[NCZ13]

i think if something like that happened our community would pull together.

i know the p5 guys would.

[jaydubz]

i think if something like that happened our community would pull together.

i know the p5 guys would.

But things like this are happening and the only thing most are doing are providing criticism! IE: Motor mount Failure, just read the thread that darksun put up. The lack of knowledge by Mazda reps, and negligent work that has been done. Blaming modifications non-related to issues as an excuse to not cover work.

The speed3 is a bench mark for Mazda right now and we are kinda getting the shaft, Alot of us are afraid to post our mods for fear of Mazda trying to pin the blame on us. I am just shocked that more are not fired up about this!

[MS3077]

But things like this are happening and the only thing most are doing are providing criticism! IE: Motor mount Failure, just read the thread that darksun put up. The lack of knowledge by Mazda reps, and negligent work that has been done. Blaming modifications non-related to issues as an excuse to not cover work.

The speed3 is a bench mark for Mazda right now and we are kinda getting the shaft, Alot of us are afraid to post our mods for fear of Mazda trying to pin the blame on us. I am just shocked that more are not fired up about this!


+1
It's all fun and games until in happens to you.

Yeah it's like Mazda is voiding warranties just because you have MODS on your car without justifying how it caused your problem, etc.

[Mocoso]

Oh cry me a river already... you REALLY think the BMW community isnt self centered?

Kinda hard to stand up for a fellow Mazda driver who has modded the hell out of the car and then cries foul when dealer wont cover warranty... and has the balls to call the rest of us self centered... news for you there is something called: "taking responsability for your actions" - you knew damn well you ran the risk of voiding warranty when you added the mods and that there was the possibility of getting the shaft even if it wasnt related... I may feel for you but Im not going to cause a firestorm because you lost the gamble..

Flame away if you want but WTF do you expect from horribly self centered crowd that we are....

[dkswim]

agreed you mod your car and they void your warenty. you knew the risk going in. now the factory offered mods is another story.

[Jesse MS3GT]

Oh cry me a river already... you REALLY think the BMW community isnt self centered?

Kinda hard to stand up for a fellow Mazda driver who has modded the hell out of the car and then cries foul when dealer wont cover warranty... and has the balls to call the rest of us self centered... news for you there is something called: "taking responsability for your actions" - you knew damn well you ran the risk of voiding warranty when you added the mods and that there was the possibility of getting the shaft even if it wasnt related... I may feel for you but Im not going to cause a firestorm because you lost the gamble..

Flame away if you want but WTF do you expect from horribly self centered crowd that we are....
Darksun only had an intake.

[SwampAss]

We're all a buncha stupid kids.

[jbiird317]

Flame away if you want but WTF do you expect from horribly self centered crowd that we are....

LOL you are a self centered bastard, but you are right...

If it were me that lost the warranty then yeah id be pissed too and maybe looking for some sympathy, but nothin this community can do besides that. Now id someone here picked up the ms3 for $15k brand new thanks to a dealer being greedy on ebay, hoping for a big sale and getting burned? Well damn right I would do something to help the buyer if i could....

[jaydubz]

Oh cry me a river already... you REALLY think the BMW community isnt self centered?

Kinda hard to stand up for a fellow Mazda driver who has modded the hell out of the car and then cries foul when dealer wont cover warranty... and has the balls to call the rest of us self centered... news for you there is something called: "taking responsability for your actions" - you knew damn well you ran the risk of voiding warranty when you added the mods and that there was the possibility of getting the shaft even if it wasnt related... I may feel for you but Im not going to cause a firestorm because you lost the gamble..

Flame away if you want but WTF do you expect from horribly self centered crowd that we are....

(mswerd)

You are the exactly the reason why this community is the way it is! Darksun only had an intake, is that enough torque to snap an engine mount? You are ridiculous!

Not once did I mention that Mazda should cover any and all work on modified cars, however I seem to be noticing a trend with Mazda when it comes to this particular model. There is no damn reason we cannot take our cars to Mazda and have quality work done by tech who know the exact oil to place in the car! Or did you not hear about that one!?!? Do a search and read a few threads Captain opinion!

Lets assume a well known issue such as the transmission griding between 2nd and 3rd continues to take place, now if you are anything like me then you know keeping things under the speed limit is a good thing! however say your transmission blows, Mazda then claims you were using the car and had bad shifts and will not cover it, is it fair that you should be covering that responsibility??? Maybe you did get on it a few times, would that be enough to blow a transmission? This of course is an example, one of which has already been demonstrated at my local dealership.

How dare you sit there and "state cry me a river" I certainly hope nothing like this takes place on your vehicle. If that is your attitude then point your opinion elsewhere where it can be helpful.


LOL you are a self centered bastard, but you are right...

If it were me that lost the warranty then yeah id be pissed too and maybe looking for some sympathy, but nothin this community can do besides that. Now id someone here picked up the ms3 for $15k brand new thanks to a dealer being greedy on ebay, hoping for a big sale and getting burned? Well damn right I would do something to help the buyer if i could....

Seriously, how is it any different? We basically have a company taking advantage of "shoddy" work and blaming it on simple bolt on products and thing completely non-related! To me that is being taking advantage of! Please understand that I am in no way shape or form stating that Mazda should cover the someone running a meth kit who pops a head gasket or fries his turbo, not at all! A person doing these things should not be covered under the warranty, but in the case of someone like Darksun who had a simple intake and probably had a few spirited drives. No way!

[jbiird317]

ok his case is definitely extreme... he is getting ripped off, how would you suggest we help him? Im seriously curious cuz i have no idea what we as a community could do to convince Mazda NA to cover his repairs. I agree with you that he is being ripped off, but us telling mazda that all of the modded car owners are still being covered under warranty will probably have the opposite effect you are looking for...mazda will still screw darksun and then have its dealerships crack down even harder on mod related repairs.

[jaydubz]

ok his case is definitely extreme... he is getting ripped off, how would you suggest we help him? Im seriously curious cuz i have no idea what we as a community could do to convince Mazda NA to cover his repairs. I agree with you that he is being ripped off, but us telling mazda that all of the modded car owners are still being covered under warranty will probably have the opposite effect you are looking for...mazda will still screw darksun and then have its dealerships crack down even harder on mod related repairs.

I suggest that we start a fire list for all owners like ourselves and Darksun and start putting together a list of dealerships who have had cases of voiding warranties. Each would be on a per case basis, but would be great info for someone reading it and looking to get their car serviced. This list would also include information about bad work or damage caused by bad workmanship.

In darksuns case, I would be more than happy to start forwarding information to various places such as motortrend.com and Autoblog.com in an attempt to make an example of the rip off job they are trying to give Darksun. However, with us divided and taking a "oh well, pay to play, Whatever" attitude we will accomplish nothing.

The point that I am trying to make with this rant is most of us bought the speed3 or speed6 because we are enthusiast and wanted a spacious car along with performance and reliability so far we have performance and spaciousness. The issue I have is the lack of quality that Mazda is trying to push off on the average customer like Darksun and his intake and the other fellow that installed a boost guage, which are very simple harmless modifications. Now most of you will be lucky enough to never face this, but the point is a fellow person much like ourselves is going through it right now and since it could have been anyone of us, maybe we owe just a little bit of time to it. I have personally written autoblog.com in hopes of starting something. I would emplore more of you to do the same.

We agree that darksun and others have been treated unfairly so I dont understand why more of us are not standing up and trying to bring more attention to this matter. Can you imagine if more motor mounts start to break, would any of you with 08 or 8.5 be satisfied with "cant cover it, engine rocked too hard due to intake"?

[evilmonkeyMSP]

going against Mazda NA is ALOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT different than going against a stupid dealership...

[TreFlip999]

Looks like the BMW guys really come through for one of their own. Our community is horribly self centered! Flame away after reading!

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/03/bmw-dealerships-pats-itself-on-back-for-delivering-m3-sedan-to-e/

Tell me your not serious...(gtfo)

[~JoJo~]

I just like how that dealership how "honerable" they are, and didn't mention anything about the lawsuit.

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Being the honorable dealership that Husker is, they agreed to honor the price of $60,000 for the BMW E90 M3. This vehicle typically would have been priced around $70,000. At Husker BMW, we honor all contracts. And in this case we covered the $10,000 for the vehicle to make our customer happy.

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[MS3077]

I suggest that we start a fire list for all owners like ourselves and Darksun and start putting together a list of dealerships who have had cases of voiding warranties. Each would be on a per case basis, but would be great info for someone reading it and looking to get their car serviced. This list would also include information about bad work or damage caused by bad workmanship.

In darksuns case, I would be more than happy to start forwarding information to various places such as motortrend.com and Autoblog.com in an attempt to make an example of the rip off job they are trying to give Darksun. However, with us divided and taking a "oh well, pay to play, Whatever" attitude we will accomplish nothing.

The point that I am trying to make with this rant is most of us bought the speed3 or speed6 because we are enthusiast and wanted a spacious car along with performance and reliability so far we have performance and spaciousness. The issue I have is the lack of quality that Mazda is trying to push off on the average customer like Darksun and his intake and the other fellow that installed a boost guage, which are very simple harmless modifications. Now most of you will be lucky enough to never face this, but the point is a fellow person much like ourselves is going through it right now and since it could have been anyone of us, maybe we owe just a little bit of time to it. I have personally written autoblog.com in hopes of starting something. I would emplore more of you to do the same.

We agree that darksun and others have been treated unfairly so I dont understand why more of us are not standing up and trying to bring more attention to this matter. Can you imagine if more motor mounts start to break, would any of you with 08 or 8.5 be satisfied with "cant cover it, engine rocked too hard due to intake"?


I agree! Some of these Mazda dealerships are being extremely anal about the speed 3 and something should be done. The example you gave about the intake causing a motor mount failure is a good one and something Mazda would try to pull on us. I bet if I took my car in for transmission problems I'll get denied warranty work because I have a stronger rear engine motor mount and short shifter. They would just look at it and void my warranty without proving it caused the problem. Fuckin assholes!(pissed)

[jaydubz]

Tell me your not serious...(gtfo)

If your not helping then your adding to the problem. Direct your comments else where.


going against Mazda NA is ALOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT different than going against a stupid dealership...

It has to start some place and this dealership seems to the perfect platform especially after what they pulled on Darksun. Would you not agree?

***Also please dont misquote me, I am not trying to take on Mazda NA, rather I am trying to bring to light the shoddy work and unfair practices along with the total disregard that these dealerships have for the Magnuson Moss Act.

[maestro]

Every manufacturer will be accused of sub par workmanship at some point. At least one dealer of each brand of car will be accused of being cheats, thieves, asshats etc.. Each and every person on this forum will try to, or will, pass off sub par work in their job at one point or another.
Get a clue!

An advertising "faux pas" has nothing to do with the manufacturer.
Different mods to cars are handled differently by individual dealerships. Welcome to the world where we have differences of opinion regardless of the basis of that opinion.

[jaydubz]

Every manufacturer will be accused of sub par workmanship at some point. At least one dealer of each brand of car will be accused of being cheats, thieves, asshats etc.. Each and every person on this forum will try to, or will, pass off sub par work in their job at one point or another.
Get a clue!

An advertising "faux pas" has nothing to do with the manufacturer.
Different mods to cars are handled differently by individual dealerships. Welcome to the world where we have differences of opinion regardless of the basis of that opinion.


You must have a difficult time following what I have previously posted, let me simplify it for you in order for easy consumption! Let me break it down this way! Follow closely Maestro.

1. Motor mount comply completely breaks in a sports car (or car sold as a sportier performance vehicle)

2. numerous cases of this have occurred and even made national headlines due to the severity of the poor workmanship.

3. Darksun, along with others have experienced this truly outrageous mishap

4 . Darksun goes to dealership who sees the scope of work, but also sees the intake he installed and decides to blame the engine dropping out of the car completely on that part which subsequently voids his warranty all together.

Now here is the million dollar question! Should Darksun have to pay for these damages? Would a simple intake allow the engine enough torque to shear itself cleanly off of a mount?

Heres another idea, poor quality part from Mazda along with possibly a mild mannered person (no offense Darksun) and this dealership wants to Void the entire warranty. Does this sound right to you?

There is opinion and then there is fact and manufacturers/dealership responsibility. Welcome to that real world Maestro!

[MS3077]

You must have a difficult time following what I have previously posted, let me simplify it for you in order for easy consumption! Let me break it down this way! Follow closely Maestro.

1. Motor mount comply completely breaks in a sports car (or car sold as a sportier performance vehicle)

2. numerous cases of this have occurred and even made national headlines due to the severity of the poor workmanship.

3. Darksun, along with others have experienced this truly outrageous mishap

4 . Darksun goes to dealership who sees the scope of work, but also sees the intake he installed and decides to blame the engine dropping out of the car completely on that part which subsequently voids his warranty all together.

Now here is the million dollar question! Should Darksun have to pay for these damages? Would a simple intake allow the engine enough torque to shear itself cleanly off of a mount?

Heres another idea, poor quality part from Mazda along with possibly a mild mannered person (no offense Darksun) and this dealership wants to Void the entire warranty. Does this sound right to you?

There is opinion and then there is fact and manufacturers/dealership responsibility. Welcome to that real world Maestro!

+1

[chacon101]

I don't know anything about Darksun's situation with his intake so does anyone know if it was a MS CAI? If not, doesn't it state on the warranty that if you mod the car at all, it will be voided?

I am not defended this lawyer driven statement in the warranty but there are a lot of idiots out there. Idiots who do mod the hell out of the car and then act like they have babied the vehicle and look all doe eyed when the motor blows. These "pioneers" are the ones who cause overall problems like this and the dealerships clamp down.

It's the same for insurance fraud which causes rates to go up.

Thank goodness for that law which states that they have to prove that the mod caused the problem because that HELPS protect...but isn't a fail safe. How much time do you have to be screwing around at a dealership when your car is not running and you need to get to work?

Jay, what you mentioned about a list of bad dealerships is a good idea but I think we need a list of good dealerships as well to be fair. Could that even be a sticky or would it just be too subjective? Oh, and since we're all self centered ass-munches, people would just screw up the list anyways, right? ;)

* a small story from when i was at a dealership recently. One thing is that they put the wrong type of oil in (I wanted FULL synth, not a blend) and the other is a guy who bought his son an rx-8. The car was fully modded with an exhaust, intake, all kinds of other fun little bits and the motor blew. The service guys were laughing about it because they checked the oil and it was total syrup. The car only had about 15k on it and the dumbass kid never changed the oil even once. The father was trying to be all loud and raise hell and from what I understand, was going to try to sue. What an ass. Oh, and the tires were totally bald too.

[jbiird317]

im telling you, going to mazda NA with a "fire list" of car owners who mod their cars and want to keep the warranty is not going to do anything positive. Then in the same breath you want to call out a bunch of dealerships who are denying this service, or in other words, upholding the warranty agreement that mazda wrote. youre not gonna win too many points there either.

I feel for you guys getting denied work, i really do. But this crusade will only bring down more people into your situation, not raise mazda's tolerance level.

[Darksun280]

Darksun only had an intake.

Intakes break faulty motor mounts be forewarned..........

[jaydubz]

im telling you, going to mazda NA with a "fire list" of car owners who mod their cars and want to keep the warranty is not going to do anything positive. Then in the same breath you want to call out a bunch of dealerships who are denying this service, or in other words, upholding the warranty agreement that mazda wrote. youre not gonna win too many points there either.

I feel for you guys getting denied work, i really do. But this crusade will only bring down more people into your situation, not raise mazda's tolerance level.

You are the saddest bunch I have ever corresponded with! Something blatantly wrong takes place and simply because it did not happen directly to you, you turn the other cheek instead of trying for what is right and fair!

This community is ridiculous i certainly hope none of you face any of the same issues that Darksun has. Heaven forbid you install a boost gauge, and your mount shatters as well, would it not be funny to have your warranty voided?!? Spineless Sheep!

If you truly feel for the others that have been wronged then come up with some helpful advice instead of worrying what Mazda may and may not do. Mazda is a business like any other, dealerships included when this information is brought to light and other consumers think twice about going to this particular dealership then maybe policy and tolerance may change.

[MS3077]

I agree but don't know what we could do about it.

[Darksun280]

If your not helping then your adding to the problem. Direct your comments else where.



It has to start some place and this dealership seems to the perfect platform especially after what they pulled on Darksun. Would you not agree?

***Also please dont misquote me, I am not trying to take on Mazda NA, rather I am trying to bring to light the shoddy work and unfair practices along with the total disregard that these dealerships have for the Magnuson Moss Act.

jaydubz man its ok you don't have to get into a fight with these guys for me. Other people will get burned judging by how mazda went so hard ant voiding me and that other guy by even trying to find internet posts on me i wouldn't be surprised if others get burned as well
honestly they probably have a case record on any number of people on her and whats even better i think this site sold me down river to them cause even though I have no location or anything to identify me in my profiles or posts mazda found my broken mount pictures and labeled them to me quiet quickly with out a licenses plate or any real identifying connections.....

[Darksun280]

You must have a difficult time following what I have previously posted, let me simplify it for you in order for easy consumption! Let me break it down this way! Follow closely Maestro.

1. Motor mount comply completely breaks in a sports car (or car sold as a sportier performance vehicle)

2. numerous cases of this have occurred and even made national headlines due to the severity of the poor workmanship.

3. Darksun, along with others have experienced this truly outrageous mishap

4 . Darksun goes to dealership who sees the scope of work, but also sees the intake he installed and decides to blame the engine dropping out of the car completely on that part which subsequently voids his warranty all together.

Now here is the million dollar question! Should Darksun have to pay for these damages? Would a simple intake allow the engine enough torque to shear itself cleanly off of a mount?

Heres another idea, poor quality part from Mazda along with possibly a mild mannered person (no offense Darksun) and this dealership wants to Void the entire warranty. Does this sound right to you?

There is opinion and then there is fact and manufacturers/dealership responsibility. Welcome to that real world Maestro!

Heres the real kicker the engine falling did more damage then the mount breaking. The mount and rubber in side it is 156 total i have 2 grand in other damages on top of it all caused by the engine drop from a poped out axle to a cracked tranny. no wonder mazda voided me so quick they dont want to own up to that kinda damage................

[Darksun280]

bewared when the motor falls on the axle it pops it out the case but chips the case and sends a crack north of where it exits from. its like they designed this car to shatter once one thing goes wrong....

[jaydubz]

jaydubz man its ok you don't have to get into a fight with these guys for me. Other people will get burned judign by how mazda went so hard ant viding me and that other guy by even trying to find internet posts on me i wouldn't be surprised if others get burned as well
honestly they probably have a case record on any number of people on her and whats even better i think this site sold me down river to them cause even though I have no location or anything to identify me in my profiles or posts mazda found my broken mount pictures and labeled them to me quiet quickly with out a licenses plate or any real identifying connections.....


Thanks Darksun, no offense but the situation is alot bigger than just yourself. Your situation unfortunately just happens to be one of the worst. Matter of fact I would deny the pics, because none of that is admissible in court considering that this is a public forum. They have absolutely no basis for not covering your work considering that the mounts are a known failure point!

Is there another dealership in your area that you can have the vehicle towed to?


I agree but don't know what we could do about it.

Coming together to help a fellow Speed3 owner like ourselves is a good start. So far there are alot of opinions and no actions.

[MS3077]

Thanks Darksun, no offense but the situation is alot bigger than just yourself. Your situation unfortunately just happens to be one of the worst. Matter of fact I would deny the pics, because none of that is admissible in court considering that this is a public forum. They have absolutely no basis for not covering your work considering that the mounts are a known failure point!

Is there another dealership in your area that you can have the vehicle towed to?



Coming together to help a fellow Speed3 owner like ourselves is a good start. So far there are alot of opinions and no actions.

I guess we could form some sort of petition or something?

[jaydubz]

I guess we could form some sort of petition or something?

Not even, we just need to start emailing good automotive sites like Autoblog.com.

http://www.autoblog.com/contact/comments/

it is as simple as that! Lets bring some attention to it, feel free to include a link to darksun's original post.

[Darksun280]

Good luck but honestly im so tired I dont even know if i have the energy to fight. Mazda doesn't even want give me an official letter on why there voiding me. They've been stalling for just about two weeks

[funkyman]

Its entirely the dealerships fault because the seller is supposed to protect it self by either putting a reserve price or schill bidding,either option will help sell the car close to asking price.They led to their own demise by not doing any research,bloody amatuers.

[jaydubz]

Its entirely the dealerships fault because the seller is supposed to protect it self by either putting a reserve price or schill bidding,either option will help sell the car close to asking price.They led to their own demise by not doing any research,bloody amatuers.


If you are quoting the autoblog.com article about the BMW dealership then thats fine, however I used it as an example of a community coming together and offering support and help to a fellow member, by now you are probably familiar with Darksun's situation.

I along with alot of other members feel that his situation is entirely unfair. A known failure took place and this dealership is claiming that an intake made the engine torque so much that it ripped itself from the engine mounts. Not sure if you are an engineer but when is the last time you heard of an intake producing that much HP? Sounds like it might be passing the buck to me!

[crashkelly]

I don't know anything about Darksun's situation with his intake so does anyone know if it was a MS CAI? If not, doesn't it state on the warranty that if you mod the car at all, it will be voided?

I am not defended this lawyer driven statement in the warranty but there are a lot of idiots out there. Idiots who do mod the hell out of the car and then act like they have babied the vehicle and look all doe eyed when the motor blows. These "pioneers" are the ones who cause overall problems like this and the dealerships clamp down.

It's the same for insurance fraud which causes rates to go up.

Thank goodness for that law which states that they have to prove that the mod caused the problem because that HELPS protect...but isn't a fail safe. How much time do you have to be screwing around at a dealership when your car is not running and you need to get to work?

Jay, what you mentioned about a list of bad dealerships is a good idea but I think we need a list of good dealerships as well to be fair. Could that even be a sticky or would it just be too subjective? Oh, and since we're all self centered ass-munches, people would just screw up the list anyways, right? ;)

* a small story from when i was at a dealership recently. One thing is that they put the wrong type of oil in (I wanted FULL synth, not a blend) and the other is a guy who bought his son an rx-8. The car was fully modded with an exhaust, intake, all kinds of other fun little bits and the motor blew. The service guys were laughing about it because they checked the oil and it was total syrup. The car only had about 15k on it and the dumbass kid never changed the oil even once. The father was trying to be all loud and raise hell and from what I understand, was going to try to sue. What an ass. Oh, and the tires were totally bald too.


+1,000,000

[crashkelly]

*jerk edit*


And to the guy who had the warranty problem for the intake...If this wasnt related to something that was issued in a RECALL I would totally say that's tough shit and you knew that was a possiblity...but I think they should fix your shit because that is a well know and documented problem to the point where they issued a recall.

[jaydubz]

sooo what's it like being attached to Jaydubz balls by your lips?Everytime the guy posts in any thread you are halfway up his ass with "I AGREE JAYDUBZ!"I convinced you guys are the same person or something...every thread he posts in you are on his nuts...


And to the guy who had the warranty problem for the intake...If this wasnt related to something that was issued in a RECALL I would totally say that's tough shit and you knew that was a possiblity...but I think they should fix your shit because that is a well know and documented problem to the point where they issued a recall.

LOL, whats wrong crash were you not satisfied with me making you look stupid on the other post that you figured you would try you luck on this thread? But I digress, this is not the way that I want to handle this issue. My whole reason for this rant was to try and bring attention to darksun's situation. All I am exhaustingly trying to say is this dealership is wrong, dead wrong and Darksun should not have to pick up the bill for a known fault. Lets put our differences aside and try to help Darksun, his situation is the reason we are all currently looking at this post.

[Darksun280]

sooo what's it like being attached to Jaydubz balls by your lips?Everytime the guy posts in any thread you are halfway up his ass with "I AGREE JAYDUBZ!"I convinced you guys are the same person or something...every thread he posts in you are on his nuts...


And to the guy who had the warranty problem for the intake...If this wasnt related to something that was issued in a RECALL I would totally say that's tough shit and you knew that was a possiblity...but I think they should fix your shit because that is a well know and documented problem to the point where they issued a recall.

I win in the end. I'm not gonna say why since mazda USA lurks all over this fucking board and I swear the owners know it and probably have a deal with Mazda USA selling us all down river one by one. But trust me I'll be fine.

[jbiird317]

LOL, whats wrong crash were you not satisfied with me making you look stupid on the other post that you figured you would try you luck on this thread? But I digress, this is not the way that I want to handle this issue. My whole reason for this rant was to try and bring attention to darksun's situation. All I am exhaustingly trying to say is this dealership is wrong, dead wrong and Darksun should not have to pick up the bill for a known fault. Lets put our differences aside and try to help Darksun, his situation is the reason we are all currently looking at this post.

and posting on autoblog is gonna solve these problems? We are a VERRRRY small portion of mazda's total business, im sure they are not losing any sleep over it... I would love to help out darksun and think he got ripped off, but im not willing to put other enthusiasts at a greater risk to benefit one person, no offense

[MS3077]

And to the guy who had the warranty problem for the intake...If this wasnt related to something that was issued in a RECALL I would totally say that's tough shit and you knew that was a possiblity...but I think they should fix your shit because that is a well know and documented problem to the point where they issued a recall.

You are totally out of control with your comments. If I happen to agree with someone I simply put a +1, has nothing to do with being on someone’s nuts, etc. I’m actually offended by your stupidity.

I said nothing to you for you to insult me. I'm I the only person who thinks this ass-jack is out of line???

Where is a Moderator when you need them? I don't believe this guy should be allowed on here insulting people.

[jbiird317]

Where is a Moderator when you need them? I don't believe this guy should be allowed on here insulting people.

im already taking actions, thanks tho

[MS3077]

I just think it's really fucked up that a dealership will void a warranty just because there are "MODS" on a car without justification.

It's like if your motor blows up and they find out you have a short shifter they'll void your warranty just because.

And for the people who say "oh well you modded it" aren't really helping the issue at hand.

We're all aware of the warranty agreement but there is a fine line between common sense and total disregard for what is the right thing to do.

[MS3077]

im already taking actions, thanks tho

Thank you.

[jaydubz]

You are totally out of control with your comments. If I happen to agree with someone I simply put a +1, has nothing to do with being on someone’s nuts, etc. I’m actually offended by your stupidity.

I said nothing to you for you to insult me. I'm I the only person who thinks this ass-jack is out of line???

Where is a Moderator when you need them? I don't believe this guy should be allowed on here insulting people.

He was indeed out of line! but I assure you when he has an issue with his vehicle he will be right back on this thread asking for help. Some people just want to go against the grain and try to make an invalid point.

However MS3077 I truly appreciate your support, unfortunately it drew fire from an unsavory person.


I win in the end. I'm not gonna say why since mazda USA lurks all over this fucking board and I swear the owners know it and probably have a deal with Mazda USA selling us all down river one by one. But trust me I'll be fine.

Darksun, I am truly glad and when possible maybe you can update ms3077 and myself.

[QUOTE=jbiird317;3781427]and posting on autoblog is gonna solve these problems? We are a VERRRRY small portion of mazda's total business, im sure they are not losing any sleep over it... I would love to help out darksun and think he got ripped off, but im not willing to put other enthusiasts at a greater risk to benefit one person, no offense[/QUOTE

We are an ant in in a giants shoe, however with enough persistence we will be noticed. As you can see a number of people have become involved in this thread simply due to constant movement. I feel that contacting autoblog would not have caused any negative repercussions, rather it would have brought to the forefront an already known problem in which a dealership was conducting unfair business practices. Bottom Line, Motor mounts should not break like that, and unless the car was in a front end accident (which it was not) Mazda should be covering it or absorbing most of the cost. If Mazda is reading this, dont skimp on the material quality in the mount next time!

[jaydubz]

If the speed3 could not be driven hard, then why would Mazda produce such a video promoting its handling and powerful characteristics? If they have an image they need to uphold it with quality! People buy because of image! Remember that! Either way great video! Too bad we didnt see any of the engines drop out of the cars, then we could have been forewarned by Mazda!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PL1m3XG5UxI&feature=related

[Darksun280]

If the speed3 could not be driven hard, then why would Mazda produce such a video promoting its handling and powerful characteristics? If they have an image they need to uphold it with quality! People buy because of image! Remember that! Either way great video! Too bad we didnt see any of the engines drop out of the cars, then we could have been forewarned by Mazda!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PL1m3XG5UxI&feature=related

If I go to court with them Im showing this video! LOL

[Betelgeuse]

Here's my 2 cents:

Anyone who has read my comments about modding know I'm not quick to point the finger at Mazda. I accept the fact that any kind of modification carry a certain amount of risk. For example, I installed my twm ss today and on their instruction booklet, on the back page it warns that the warranty can be voided. It's a chance I chose to take.

The fact is, the warranty can be voided for very benign mods. This is industry wide, not just Mazda. The 'act' will only do so much. In the end it comes down to who has the deeper pockets and the better lawyers.


However..... based on what I've seen so far, I will rest this mount problem totally on Mazda's lap. This is not a common issue with any other manufacturer and only modest power improvements have caused it fail completely. Some have failed on stock cars. That's unacceptable IMO. It is a very critical part and should be strong enough to handle the stock power levels and then some. I can't give them even an inch on this.

With that said, anyone who knows about the mount and decides to do the heavier mods DESERVE the possible consequences. I feel little simpathy for people who play russian roulette. I'm not referring to Darksun here, I think he got the short end of the stick.

With regards to this thread, I don't think going after individual dealerships and/or Mazda will solve anything in the short term. We need a quick solution. I believe putting this effort towards encouraging an aftermarket (or several aftermarket) companies to develop a stronger tranny mount (or complete set)is a better idea. I know there are some solutions on the horizon and there's already an engine brace but imo, that's not enough.

[jaydubz]

Here's my 2 cents:

Anyone who has read my comments about modding know I'm not quick to point the finger at Mazda. I accept the fact that any kind of modification carry a certain amount of risk. For example, I installed my twm ss today and on their instruction booklet, on the back page it warns that the warranty can be voided. It's a chance I chose to take.

The fact is, the warranty can be voided for very benign mods. This is industry wide, not just Mazda. The 'act' will only do so much. In the end it comes down to who has the deeper pockets and the better lawyers.


However..... based on what I've seen so far, I will rest this mount problem totally on Mazda's lap. This is not a common issue with any other manufacturer and only modest power improvements have caused it fail completely. Some have failed on stock cars. That's unacceptable IMO. It is a very critical part and should be strong enough to handle the stock power levels and then some. I can't give them even an inch on this.

With that said, anyone who knows about the mount and decides to do the heavier mods DESERVE the possible consequences. I feel little simpathy for people who play russian roulette. I'm not referring to Darksun here, I think he got the short end of the stick.

With regards to this thread, I don't think going after individual dealerships and/or Mazda will solve anything in the short term. We need a quick solution. I believe putting this effort towards encouraging an aftermarket (or several aftermarket) companies to develop a stronger tranny mount (or complete set)is a better idea. I know there are some solutions on the horizon and there's already an engine brace but imo, that's not enough.

Betelgeuse, I whole heartedly agree with you and thank you for the positive support. I think the thing a lot of people are confusing is that I am not trying to get Mazda or the Dealerships to say "ok well cover everything"! Matter of fact if you go out and put nitrous on your car thats your problem, if you go out and use a meth kit and you fry a cylinder due to lean out, thats your problem. If you run some sort of intake and your car sucks in something it should not have and your turbo pops then that is your problem.

However, if you put an intake or a boost gauge and the engine mount fails (even of you were driving spiritedly) then that is the manufacturers problem. Darksun did not wreck the car or meet in any sort of front end accident, he had an intake and probably was driving a sports car the way it was supposed to be driven. A few runs down on the track is not enough to crack and shear off an entire engine mount, seems to me if Mazda knew this engine rocked itself like a crackhead going through withdrawal then they should have beefed up the mount and not skimped on the materials. This is not a job for the consumer to deal with!

[Mocoso]

(mswerd)

You are the exactly the reason why this community is the way it is! Darksun only had an intake, is that enough torque to snap an engine mount? You are ridiculous!

N........ If that is your attitude then point your opinion elsewhere where it can be helpful.

Ill point my opinion elsewhere as soon as you stop starting threads with "our community is self centered" - whats ridiculous is you starting a thread by insulting all of us and then bitchin because we arent standing by you and your crusade... if you wanted our support you should have just started the thread indicating you felt Darksun got the shaft and his void was too extreme and asking the community to help and not by posting a BMW news story and claiming that community pulls together....you would have gotten a much different response

Frankly I dont care if you called us self centered but claiming BMW community is BETTER than ours is just damn insulting...and for the record I DO feel for Darksun and I AGREE its an extreme case but I havent read an effective way to help him that will change his situation and his best bet is to drill into Mazda and push the issue and take it to arbitration if needed....

[Darksun280]

his best bet is to drill into Mazda and push the issue and take it to arbitration if needed....

I wish I could be like Paul Walker and say "Pockets ain't empty cuz" but honestly after new developments it looks like getting all this fixed is going to cost me 2300 instead of the 1400 the dealer thought it would be.

[jaydubz]

Ill point my opinion elsewhere as soon as you stop starting threads with "our community is self centered" - whats ridiculous is you starting a thread by insulting all of us and then bitchin because we arent standing by you and your crusade... if you wanted our support you should have just started the thread indicating you felt Darksun got the shaft and his void was too extreme and asking the community to help and not by posting a BMW news story and claiming that community pulls together....you would have gotten a much different response

Frankly I dont care if you called us self centered but claiming BMW community is BETTER than ours is just damn insulting...and for the record I DO feel for Darksun and I AGREE its an extreme case but I havent read an effective way to help him that will change his situation and his best bet is to drill into Mazda and push the issue and take it to arbitration if needed....

Sprout wings and fly my friend, because if you truly had to sit here and try and justify if Darksun was getting the shaft then you're nick name should be Plank because of your thickness. C'mon, the guy had a mount that broke cleanly in half and the only Mod he had was an intake.

The comparison between the BMW community and ours is not the money, but rather the fact that they banned together and help one of their own who was treated unfairly. You my friend came on here and pointed fingers and offered no help in Darksun's direction. As in the case of the BMW situation, none of their members came on and said "oh well" Kinda like what you did along with others.

[Mocoso]

I wish I could be like Paul Walker and say "Pockets ain't empty cuz" but honestly after new developments it looks like getting all this fixed is going to cost me 2300 instead of the 1400 the dealer thought it would be.

So what in summary is Mazda's official take (not the idiotic dealers take)?
They even willing to split cost with you? Has Mazda officially told you that you are SOL or has it just been the dealer? (Sorry the self-centered plank in me cant keep up with the multiple threads on this topic)


Sprout wings and fly my friend, because if you truly had to sit here and try and justify if Darksun was getting the shaft then you're nick name should be Plank because of your thickness. C'mon, the guy had a mount that broke cleanly in half and the only Mod he had was an intake.

The comparison between the BMW community and ours is not the money, but rather the fact that they banned together and help one of their own who was treated unfairly. You my friend came on here and pointed fingers and offered no help in Darksun's direction. As in the case of the BMW situation, none of their members came on and said "oh well" Kinda like what you did along with others.

I clearly said I AGREE that its an extreme case but yet you twist it to add more insults.. which by the way keep getting funnier: now Im a self-centered plank! cant wait for the next addition...

Curious: how do you know the BMW community so well? have you owned one and participated in their community? cus if you have and you STILL think they are a bunch of friendly stick together groupies then your nickname should be "PLANK FOREST"

Im done trying to point out to you that you would have gotten a better response if you would have STARTED this thread with a call to help Darksun instead of calling us a bunch of self-centered planks but obviously you arent getting the point so Ill drop it and be done with it... why dont we focus on what you really wanted which is to help Darksun

[Darksun280]

So what in summary is Mazda's official take (not the idiotic dealers take)?
They even willing to split cost with you? Has Mazda officially told you that you are SOL or has it just been the dealer? (Sorry the self-centered plank in me cant keep up with the multiple threads on this topic)



I clearly said I AGREE that its an extreme case but yet you twist it to add more insults.. which by the way keep getting funnier: now Im a self-centered plank! cant wait for the next addition...

Curious: how do you know the BMW community so well? have you owned one and participated in their community? cus if you have and you STILL think they are a bunch of friendly stick together groupies then your nickname should be "PLANK FOREST"

Im done trying to point out to you that you would have gotten a better response if you would have STARTED this thread with a call to help Darksun instead of calling us a bunch of self-centered planks but obviously you arent getting the point so Ill drop it and be done with it... why dont we focus on what you really wanted which is to help Darksun

It went like this. Dealer called me and said there not covering it and mazda usa voided me. I called mazda usa and this girl Katie said they have no idea whats going on and called the dealer. two hours later Katie from mazda calls me back and said the dealer explained everything and the dealer wont change there mind and have voided me in the system. Katie says for more information call the dealer. I call the dealer and they first try and convince me my tires with 7400 miles on them are bald then say call mazda USA for more info.

[MS3077]

It doesn't take much to bald the stock potenza's, and few decent burn-outs is all it takes. I think it's stupid to judge how a car has been treated by the tires because it doesn't mean you've abused it. Is doing a few burn-outs abusing this car? I mean all it's doing is spinning the tires and burning the rubber. What's the big deal with the bald tires thing???

[jaydubz]

So what in summary is Mazda's official take (not the idiotic dealers take)?
They even willing to split cost with you? Has Mazda officially told you that you are SOL or has it just been the dealer? (Sorry the self-centered plank in me cant keep up with the multiple threads on this topic)



I clearly said I AGREE that its an extreme case but yet you twist it to add more insults.. which by the way keep getting funnier: now Im a self-centered plank! cant wait for the next addition...

Curious: how do you know the BMW community so well? have you owned one and participated in their community? cus if you have and you STILL think they are a bunch of friendly stick together groupies then your nickname should be "PLANK FOREST"

Im done trying to point out to you that you would have gotten a better response if you would have STARTED this thread with a call to help Darksun instead of calling us a bunch of self-centered planks but obviously you arent getting the point so Ill drop it and be done with it... why dont we focus on what you really wanted which is to help Darksun

LOL, Plank Forest, haha thats good, only took you a couple of days to come up with it. However If your done trying to get your misguided point accross then please infect another thread.

Well since you have changed your tone from your original post I do agree with you, this is not about anyone else but Darksun! The dealership is trying to site misuse of the car by claiming that the car was tracked or raced. Regardless if the car did a few runs down the track, a motor mount should not break like that!

[chacon101]

Well, bald tires means you have at some point either done a few burnouts and/or are nailing it through the first few gears. In this car it's sorta a non issue since it has so much power but it is just one indicator.

If you don't think that dropping the clutch and doing a burnout is abusing the car then what it? I know you can spin first through third pretty easy in this car but an actual burnout is a bit different.

During an actual burnout, the motor would be bouncing around quite a bit in the engine bay and there is also wheel hop.

I sorry to hear about your problems with your car Darksun. It's hard fighting a big company like that since you feel it's hopeless to actually get through to somebody who can make a good and logical decision. I wish you luck man.

[Darksun280]

Well, bald tires means you have at some point either done a few burnouts and/or are nailing it through the first few gears. In this car it's sorta a non issue since it has so much power but it is just one indicator.

If you don't think that dropping the clutch and doing a burnout is abusing the car then what it? I know you can spin first through third pretty easy in this car but an actual burnout is a bit different.

During an actual burnout, the motor would be bouncing around quite a bit in the engine bay and there is also wheel hop.

I sorry to hear about your problems with your car Darksun. It's hard fighting a big company like that since you feel it's hopeless to actually get through to somebody who can make a good and logical decision. I wish you luck man.
point is my tires aren't no where near being bald. its bullshit. If they can pass a state emissions check a dealer shouldn't beable to use them against you

[jaydubz]

Darksun can you forward me more pics of your car and the damage that happened along with the name of the dealership? Your car is indeed a 08 correct?

[Darksun280]

Darksun can you forward me more pics of your car and the damage that happened along with the name of the dealership? Your car is indeed a 08 correct?

those mount pics are the only ones i have and my car is still 120 miles away from me at the dealer that voided me.

[MS3077]

Well, bald tires means you have at some point either done a few burnouts and/or are nailing it through the first few gears. In this car it's sorta a non issue since it has so much power but it is just one indicator.

If you don't think that dropping the clutch and doing a burnout is abusing the car then what it? I know you can spin first through third pretty easy in this car but an actual burnout is a bit different.

During an actual burnout, the motor would be bouncing around quite a bit in the engine bay and there is also wheel hop.

I sorry to hear about your problems with your car Darksun. It's hard fighting a big company like that since you feel it's hopeless to actually get through to somebody who can make a good and logical decision. I wish you luck man.

I don't have wheel-hop when I do burnouts and I don't have to drop the clutch to do one. It's extremely easy to do burn-outs in this car. So my point is bald tires mean dick on this car.

[jaydubz]

those mount pics are the only ones i have and my car is still 120 miles away from me at the dealer that voided me.

Can you email these to me? I forgot the link that the picks were posted in and I am drawing a blank right now.

[speedtec]

Betelgeuse, I whole heartedly agree with you and thank you for the positive support. I think the thing a lot of people are confusing is that I am not trying to get Mazda or the Dealerships to say "ok well cover everything"! Matter of fact if you go out and put nitrous on your car thats your problem, if you go out and use a meth kit and you fry a cylinder due to lean out, thats your problem. If you run some sort of intake and your car sucks in something it should not have and your turbo pops then that is your problem.

However, if you put an intake or a boost gauge and the engine mount fails (even of you were driving spiritedly) then that is the manufacturers problem. Darksun did not wreck the car or meet in any sort of front end accident, he had an intake and probably was driving a sports car the way it was supposed to be driven. A few runs down on the track is not enough to crack and shear off an entire engine mount, seems to me if Mazda knew this engine rocked itself like a crackhead going through withdrawal then they should have beefed up the mount and not skimped on the materials. This is not a job for the consumer to deal with!



with that said from above.....

i know darksun was at the track in englishtown, i know he raced. i know he wiped the ####s off his back d/s window. he LIED to the dealer. he lied to mazda about his power output. he posted several power increases. he recieved one free warrentied turbo. and he and nor will another get one after the first "good will".

he raced it and did not drive it as per street regulations( speed limit, Stock mods, etc.) so i think he is souly responcible for ALL damages to the car. any power that breaks mounts, even if other have done it to. if it is not a TSP or an MSP or recall mazda is not responsible.

they had Four HEAD techs come and look and take pics of Darksuns car and several others. and if mazda feels that due to the circumstances listed above that it was track driven, AKA abused other then normal driving. then darksun280 is RESPONSABLE.... this is GAY as hell and you need to own up to all YOUR stupid Backyard and aftermarket butchery and PAY. im sick of it!!!!!


just drive it and if you mod it then respect the posibility the you may have your warrenty voided.

you want to go fast. THEN PAY THE PRICE!!!!! i DUE EVERY TRACK DAY!!!!!
STOP BLAMING MAZDA AND FIX IT YOURSELF. I HAVE A VW WITH OVER $30,000 IN IT. AND I DON;T RUN AND BITCH WHEN MY MOTOR BLOWS A RING OF TORCHS A HEAD BETWEEN CLYINDERS B/C IT LEANED OUT. GROW SOME FUCKING BALLS AND PAY FOR IT. OTHERWISE DON;T MOD IT IF OU CANNOT AFFORD IT. GOD DAMN PEOPLE. I CANNOT STANFD THIS THREAD. BUNCH OF WHINERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[speedtec]

LOL, Plank Forest, haha thats good, only took you a couple of days to come up with it. However If your done trying to get your misguided point accross then please infect another thread.

Well since you have changed your tone from your original post I do agree with you, this is not about anyone else but Darksun! The dealership is trying to site misuse of the car by claiming that the car was tracked or raced. Regardless if the car did a few runs down the track, a motor mount should not break like that!

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHHEHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


THE MOTOR MOUNT IS NOT FOR ANY TYPE OF POWER INCREASE. ONLY STOCK!!!!!!!!!!!! AND THAT MEANS DARKSUN280 AND NOT THE DEALER NOR MAZDA IS RESPONSIBLE. THEY ARE NOT. OWN UP THE DARKSUN280 POWER INCREASES, INTAKE, CHIP, SEVERAL DYNO RUNS WITH TUNING( AS PER OTHER THREADS) ETC. HE IS RESPONSIBLE AND SO WOULD YOU IF YOU DID THIS SAME SHIT. THIS IS GAY. I WOULD PAY FOR IT IF IT WAS MY CAR. I WOULD OWN UP TO IT. BUT HE IS NOT. DARKSUN280 IS NICE TO THE DEALER AND THEN HE IS A MEAN PERSON ON THE FORUMS. NICE MAN; REAL NICE. I THINK HE IS FULL OF IT. (nana)

[jaydubz]

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHHEHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


THE MOTOR MOUNT IS NOT FOR ANY TYPE OF POWER INCREASE. ONLY STOCK!!!!!!!!!!!! AND THAT MEANS DARKSUN280 AND NOT THE DEALER NOR MAZDA IS RESPONSIBLE. THEY ARE NOT. OWN UP THE DARKSUN280 POWER INCREASES, INTAKE, CHIP, SEVERAL DYNO RUNS WITH TUNING( AS PER OTHER THREADS) ETC. HE IS RESPONSIBLE AND SO WOULD YOU IF YOU DID THIS SAME SHIT. THIS IS GAY. I WOULD PAY FOR IT IF IT WAS MY CAR. I WOULD OWN UP TO IT. BUT HE IS NOT. DARKSUN280 IS NICE TO THE DEALER AND THEN HE IS A MEAN PERSON ON THE FORUMS. NICE MAN; REAL NICE. I THINK HE IS FULL OF IT. (nana)

[QUOTE=speedtec;378792]

Speedtec, your an idiot! Find the proof then if darksun has all that information out there. I bet you were the asshat that went scampering to the dealership like a little do boy. Once again the cars motor mount should not have sheared off like that and I find your comments ignorant and unfounded. Mazda is passing off the buck and you are the same one bending over and taking everything they have to offer. I hope you sell your speed and go back to your tractor you bumpkin!

[Darksun280]

Betelgeuse, I whole heartedly agree with you and thank you for the positive support. I think the thing a lot of people are confusing is that I am not trying to get Mazda or the Dealerships to say "ok well cover everything"! Matter of fact if you go out and put nitrous on your car thats your problem, if you go out and use a meth kit and you fry a cylinder due to lean out, thats your problem. If you run some sort of intake and your car sucks in something it should not have and your turbo pops then that is your problem.

However, if you put an intake or a boost gauge and the engine mount fails (even of you were driving spiritedly) then that is the manufacturers problem. Darksun did not wreck the car or meet in any sort of front end accident, he had an intake and probably was driving a sports car the way it was supposed to be driven. A few runs down on the track is not enough to crack and shear off an entire engine mount, seems to me if Mazda knew this engine rocked itself like a crackhead going through withdrawal then they should have beefed up the mount and not skimped on the materials. This is not a job for the consumer to deal with!



with that said from above.....

i know darksun was at the track in englishtown, i know he raced. i know he wiped the ####s off his back d/s window. he LIED to the dealer. he lied to mazda about his power output. he posted several power increases. he recieved one free warrentied turbo. and he and nor will another get one after the first "good will".

he raced it and did not drive it as per street regulations( speed limit, Stock mods, etc.) so i think he is souly responcible for ALL damages to the car. any power that breaks mounts, even if other have done it to. if it is not a TSP or an MSP or recall mazda is not responsible.

they had Four HEAD techs come and look and take pics of Darksuns car and several others. and if mazda feels that due to the circumstances listed above that it was track driven, AKA abused other then normal driving. then darksun280 is RESPONSABLE.... this is GAY as hell and you need to own up to all YOUR stupid Backyard and aftermarket butchery and PAY. im sick of it!!!!!


just drive it and if you mod it then respect the posibility the you may have your warrenty voided.

you want to go fast. THEN PAY THE PRICE!!!!! i DUE EVERY TRACK DAY!!!!!
STOP BLAMING MAZDA AND FIX IT YOURSELF. I HAVE A VW WITH OVER $30,000 IN IT. AND I DON;T RUN AND BITCH WHEN MY MOTOR BLOWS A RING OF TORCHS A HEAD BETWEEN CLYINDERS B/C IT LEANED OUT. GROW SOME FUCKING BALLS AND PAY FOR IT. OTHERWISE DON;T MOD IT IF OU CANNOT AFFORD IT. GOD DAMN PEOPLE. I CANNOT STANFD THIS THREAD. BUNCH OF WHINERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL at this dude. I wish I had saw this last night. Funny thing is I got my official letter from mazda and it said my warranty was voided for after market parts on my vehicle. NOT abuse. NOT for going to a track. Not for flying in outer space or whatever else you trying to come up with. If Mazda was so sure it was abuse that broke that precious mount why didn't they void me for that? where ths pictures from me at the track. Better yet the signs of abuse on the car. like rubber int he tire wells. They tried to say my tires were low but did they notice that just the out sides were low but the inner threads were fine. that was from not rotating them and uneven wear not abuse. What on my driver side windows proves that I was at the track? I haven't even fought them in court so you know less then you think.

First you say I was at the track then you say the intake and boost guage i have broke the mount. Then you say power increases i supposedly did to the car 2 months prior broke the car then you say the track broke my car. Then I get my official letter from mazda and it was for my intake and boost gauge. Your obviously in over your head and have ZERO information about whats going on.
You wanna explain why the dealer told me i had a crack down the whole side of my transmission then i get there and it was just a dime size hole in the top? Or why they tried to have me buy three parts for my car brand new even though the original ones were fine? You really want to get into this we can but your dealer did dirt too no matter how you look a it. At this point my car is paid for and im moving on with my life I got money so its not like im hurting but if you want to keep waking the dead then by all means its your move now......

I know who you are guy. Also does your dealer know your on here pushing one of there motors for sale? How'd you get that buddy? lol I would go delete that thread if I were you. LAWL!!!!

[Darksun280]

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHHEHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


THE MOTOR MOUNT IS NOT FOR ANY TYPE OF POWER INCREASE. ONLY STOCK!!!!!!!!!!!! AND THAT MEANS DARKSUN280 AND NOT THE DEALER NOR MAZDA IS RESPONSIBLE. THEY ARE NOT. OWN UP THE DARKSUN280 POWER INCREASES, INTAKE, CHIP, SEVERAL DYNO RUNS WITH TUNING( AS PER OTHER THREADS) ETC. HE IS RESPONSIBLE AND SO WOULD YOU IF YOU DID THIS SAME SHIT. THIS IS GAY. I WOULD PAY FOR IT IF IT WAS MY CAR. I WOULD OWN UP TO IT. BUT HE IS NOT. DARKSUN280 IS NICE TO THE DEALER AND THEN HE IS A MEAN PERSON ON THE FORUMS. NICE MAN; REAL NICE. I THINK HE IS FULL OF IT. (nana)

LOL!!!! you see that guys I had tunning. You all should be mad at me because I found a way to tune my car before all you guys especially for my intake. Oh yeah didn't mazda sell an intake as well?

LOL Joe your service manager was cool in the end. I was mad at them because I thought they voided me but it was mazda and not the dealer. katie from mazda usa told me it was them who voided my warranty so of course my anger would be directed towards them first. But As the weeks went by I learned what really happened. There cool my beef aint with them.

[Darksun280]

LOL at his VW with 30 thousand in mods in it. I wish you guys could see what this guy looks like in real life he's a tool......

[palerider]

LOL at his VW with 30 thousand in mods in it. I wish you guys could see what this guy looks like in real life he's a tool......

pics?

[jbiird317]

this thread is on lock watch... i dont have time to read the last few pages, but try and tone it down a bit guys. talking about ur problems is fine, but dont make it personal

[Darksun280]

this thread is on lock watch... i dont have time to read the last few pages, but try and tone it down a bit guys. talking about ur problems is fine, but dont make it personal

thats funny I didn't even turn it up a notch yet. seriously its a good read very entertaining. Let him come over to .org so we can talk it out there....

[jaydubz]

this thread is on lock watch... i dont have time to read the last few pages, but try and tone it down a bit guys. talking about ur problems is fine, but dont make it personal

Well to be perfectly honest it appears that Speedtec took this above and beyond the call of duty and was the person who borught up the claims to the dealership and Mazda. If you want to ban something, start by banning him!

Simply incredible the garbage that crawls it ways onto these boards!

Well it looks like my point has been proven, individuals like speedtec are the reason this community is the way it is!

[Darksun280]

Well to be perfectly honest it appears that Speedtec took this above and beyond the call of duty and was the person who borught up the claims to the dealership and Mazda. If you want to ban something, start by banning him!

Simply incredible the garbage that crawls it ways onto these boards!

Well it looks like my point has been proven, individuals like speedtec are the reason this community is the way it is!

I already said I think this site is in bed with mazda usa. Probably sell members down river all the time. I'd love to know how the dealer knew who darksun280 was when i have no location or anything in my thread? This site probably coughed up my ip address to them. Plus they can't use any thing said on this site against me. Hence the reason they voided me for an intake.....

[jbiird317]

Well to be perfectly honest it appears that Speedtec took this above and beyond the call of duty and was the person who borught up the claims to the dealership and Mazda. If you want to ban something, start by banning him!

Simply incredible the garbage that crawls it ways onto these boards!

Well it looks like my point has been proven, individuals like speedtec are the reason this community is the way it is!

yeah well there are jerks everywhere. cant avoid it. one bad apple doesnt really show that this community is crap though. Creating a thread like this doesnt help any tho either, if you think there is something wrong with the way things are done here, do somethign to help it, dont just point out the flaws...

[xandrake]

Qq?

[zoomzone]

going against Mazda NA is ALOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT different than going against a stupid dealership...


I was just curious if using ALOTTTTTTTTTTTTTT would be as effective. Or maybe ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOT. or ALLLLLOOOOOOTTTTT. Or aLlLlLlOoOoOoTtTtTt.

Ok, I quit being a smartass now....

[chacon101]

hypnotoad!!!

[evilmonkeyMSP]

lol (bird)

The O's work better for dramatics....duh...
I was just curious if using ALOTTTTTTTTTTTTTT would be as effective. Or maybe ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOT. or ALLLLLOOOOOOTTTTT. Or aLlLlLlOoOoOoTtTtTt.

Ok, I quit being a smartass now....

[evilmonkeyMSP]

lol wow....welcome to ignorance....

You guys need to come to terms w/ the fact that you are the ones putting yourselves at risk when you mod your car. Simple as that....you can think you know your way around the rules but in the end they have the final say. Thats the unfortunate reality...Car companies are getting smarter, they know where to look now and how to use that against you...

And any one at mazda has free rein to read any mazda dedicated forum site, not just this one, theres nothing stopping them. But to think we hand out IPs is upsurd...unless the admin recieves a supeona then nothing is going to get coughed up to hurt the members...



I already said I think this site is in bed with mazda usa. Probably sell members down river all the time. I'd love to know how the dealer knew who darksun280 was when i have no location or anything in my thread? This site probably coughed up my ip address to them. Plus they can't use any thing said on this site against me. Hence the reason they voided me for an intake.....

[Haltech]

Wow, this place gets lamer by the week. Some of you liberals need to pull your head out of your asses. Thats all i can really say. Don't but into other peoples business if you arent related to the problem. So much for a brotherhood.

[evilmonkeyMSP]

LOL wow, really? If it was his "business" then why the hell is he posting about it on here...

what do you want? all of us to hold hands and sing songs and go on that mazda should fix every problem that comes up on a car, no questions asked? How about we be real instead?


Wow, this place gets lamer by the week. Some of you liberals need to pull your head out of your asses. Thats all i can really say. Don't but into other peoples business if you arent related to the problem. So much for a brotherhood.

[Haltech]

LOL wow, really? If it was his "business" then why the hell is he posting about it on here...

what do you want? all of us to hold hands and sing songs and go on that mazda should fix every problem that comes up on a car, no questions asked? How about we be real instead?

You're one of the members who should be slapped upside the head for a "bad" attitude towards your brotheren.. If you really believe a few bolt on parts is going to affect a car, you're a moron. These cars are plagued with issues and mazda themselves need to own up to it. Now go take your slow ass car back to your side of the forum. it makes me sick a moderator gets away with posting like this.

[evilmonkeyMSP]

lol oh noes, you made fun of my car :(

i dont have a bad attitude towards my "brotherin" as you say, i have a bad attitude towards people who blame everything on someone else. Sure, Mazdas have issues and yes mazda should fix them when a defect is at fault, but modding your car and then bitching that your warranty got voided because you modded it is upsurd...thats the risk we take when we mod, you know it and i know it and yet everyone is surprised when shit like this goes down...


You're one of the members who should be slapped upside the head for a "bad" attitude towards your brotheren.. If you really believe a few bolt on parts is going to affect a car, you're a moron. These cars are plagued with issues and mazda themselves need to own up to it. Now go take your slow ass car back to your side of the forum. it makes me sick a moderator gets away with posting like this.

[Darksun280]

LOL wow, really? If it was his "business" then why the hell is he posting about it on here...


So you don't want anyone posting anything over here? I don't under stand. Is the forum here to help mazda owners communicate about there cars and the experiences they have with them be it good or bad or just so that the owners can collect a check from vendors?

[evilmonkeyMSP]

did i say that? no, but to say something is someones "business" as in personal but its posted on a public forum yet others should but out is ridiculous, thats the point i was making...


So you don't want anyone posting anything over here? I don't under stand is the forum here to help mazda owners communicate about there cars and the experiences they have with them be it good or bad or just so that the owners can collect a check from vendors?

[Darksun280]

lol oh noes, you made fun of my car :(

i dont have a bad attitude towards my "brotherin" as you say, i have a bad attitude towards people who blame everything on someone else. Sure, Mazdas have issues and yes mazda should fix them when a defect is at fault, but modding your car and then bitching that your warranty got voided because you modded it is upsurd...thats the risk we take when we mod, you know it and i know it and yet everyone is surprised when shit like this goes down...

so if you put an after market radio in your car and you throw a rod out the side of your block there should be no surprise when your warranty is voided for it? I'm just going by what your saying cause basically it sounds like your ok with what Mazda usa is doing on here but thats no surprise we already know your working with them.

[Darksun280]

I say get rid of all the vendors then. Why have them selling parts on this site if you know the people buying them are at risk. Or at least make a big ass disclaimer in each vendor section saying "Buying parts from this vendor and installing them on your vehicle will void your warranty no questions asked. Be fore warned before purchasing"

[evilmonkeyMSP]

no but when you put an intake or anything engine related on the car and something w/ the engine goes you give them all the leverage they need, thats what im saying...

and dont be retarded w/ your cute little excuse for a dig at the end there...
so if you put an after market radio in your car and you throw a rod out the side of your block there should be no surprise when your warranty is voided for it? I'm just going by what your saying cause basically it sounds like your ok with what Mazda usa is doing on here but thats no surprise we already know your working with them.

[Haltech]

Yea no kidding. This site promotes high performance parts, than allows mazda to come in here and screw the member. Its like, double the income from vendors and mazda!

[evilmonkeyMSP]

at what point do you leave it up the the consumer to have the intelligence to make that determination on their own?

thats like saying we should close all the fast food restaurants because the food isnt healthy...
I say get rid of all the vendors then. Why have them selling parts on this site if you know the people buying them are at risk. Or at least make a big ass disclaimer in each vendor section saying "Buying parts from this vendor and installing them on your vehicle will void your warranty no questions asked. Be fore warned before purchasing"

[evilmonkeyMSP]

you dont think mazda reads your own forum you've created to? dont be so blind and try stir up crap like the admins are paid by mazda to give out your info :rolleyes:


also, this isnt new....this shit happened w/ the MSP also...
Yea no kidding. This site promotes high performance parts, than allows mazda to come in here and screw the member. Its like, double the income from vendors and mazda!

[evilmonkeyMSP]

anyways, im done. you guys are being a bit one sided about everything, theres no use.

[Haltech]

you dont think mazda reads your own forum you've created to? dont be so blind and try stir up crap like the admins are paid by mazda to give out your info :rolleyes:

i guarantee they dont... their domain is BANNED...

[occschemguy]

my warranty was revocked do to posting my mods on this site also i wonder how many people have had this same problem.

[Killer]

my warranty was revocked do to posting my mods on this site also i wonder how many people have had this same problem.I dont buy it.

Evidently NONE of you have ever read the Magnusson Warranty Act.

No company can arbitrarily just void your warranty because of modifications. That is just bullshit. And if your dealer said that I would call the County District Attorney's office and file a complaint.

Even if your car blows up, the burden of proof is upon the manufacturer to prove your modifications caused the failure. They MUST honor your warranty otherwise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson-Moss_Warranty_Act

[Darksun280]

my warranty was revocked do to posting my mods on this site also i wonder how many people have had this same problem.

That makes two of us.

[Darksun280]

I dont buy it.

Evidently NONE of you have ever read the Magnusson Warranty Act.

No company can arbitrarily just void your warranty because of modifications. That is just bullshit. And if your dealer said that I would call the County District Attorney's office and file a complaint.

Even if your car blows up, the burden of proof is upon the manufacturer to prove your modifications caused the failure. They MUST honor your warranty otherwise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson-Moss_Warranty_Act

LOL you might as well crumple that act up and kick it to the curb cause TRUST me they ain't following that shit.

[SuperStretch18]

my warranty was revocked do to posting my mods on this site also i wonder how many people have had this same problem.

Are these all of your mods? If so, don't you think it more likely that THEY are the cause of your voided warranty? Do you really think you should have a warranty with all of the work you've done?

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2918564&postcount=85

[Darksun280]

Are these all of your mods? If so, don't you think it more likely that THEY are the cause of your voided warranty? Do you really think you should have a warranty with all of the work you've done?

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2918564&postcount=85

Well hell he can post them now they already voided his warranty. All i had was an intake before but If I was to roll up into that dealer lot the way my car is now the parts on my car would void the warranties of the cars directly to the right AND left of me just from proximity.

[ProtoType5]

Here's the quick version of the Mazda Warranty...


http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=shoppingToolsWarr anty&bhcp=1

It pretty much says...normal use......So I'm sorry about the expenses you all have to take in your own pocket, but it is and should have been clear that most of these mods would void the Mazda warranty..


Maybe the Manufacturers...ie COBB, ETS, and the like should be the ones that warranty their products to not destroy your engine....Shouldn't you really be pissed off at the companies making the aftermarket parts, and all the profits, that destroy your perfectly fine engine in the first place...


I think you've got you panties in a bunch over the wrong set of issues...perhaps with a bit more RnD, the aftermarket companies would realize that a CAI on the MS3 would cause problems with the turbo....

[SuperStretch18]

Well hell he can post them now they already voided his warranty. All i had was an intake before but If I was to roll up into that dealer lot the way my car is now the parts on my car would void the warranties of the cars directly to the right AND left of me just from proximity.

LOL. Nah, that post is from January 2007.

I'm not saying that it's good that this happened to anyone (especially for just an intake; are you serious?!?!). I'm just saying that a car as modified as that shouldn't even hope for a warranty. That said, that's probably the nicest MS6 I've ever seen!

[jbiird317]

i guarantee they dont... their domain is BANNED...

and theres no way that anyone from mazdausa could see your forums? at all..... hmmmmmm methinks you're making a bogus claim here

[Darksun280]

Here's the quick version of the Mazda Warranty...


http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=shoppingToolsWarr anty&bhcp=1

It pretty much says...normal use......So I'm sorry about the expenses you all have to take in your own pocket, but it is and should have been clear that most of these mods would void the Mazda warranty..


Maybe the Manufacturers...ie COBB, ETS, and the like should be the ones that warranty their products to not destroy your engine....Shouldn't you really be pissed off at the companies making the aftermarket parts, and all the profits, that destroy your perfectly fine engine in the first place...


I think you've got you panties in a bunch over the wrong set of issues...perhaps with a bit more RnD, the aftermarket companies would realize that a CAI on the MS3 would cause problems with the turbo....

LAWL!!!! My motor mount broke and dropped the motor. Should Cobb have planed for this in the testing of there SRI?

[Darksun280]

Actually I think in the instructions at the end it did say that use of there intakes causes motors to be dropped and axles snapped. Page 4

[jbiird317]

I say get rid of all the vendors then. Why have them selling parts on this site if you know the people buying them are at risk. Or at least make a big ass disclaimer in each vendor section saying "Buying parts from this vendor and installing them on your vehicle will void your warranty no questions asked. Be fore warned before purchasing"

This is absurd, you are clearly just being bitter now. There is a disclaimer saying that installign these parts MAY void manufacturer warranty. I promise you that every quality manufacturer will have such a disclaimer somewhere on their product or website.

[Darksun280]

and theres no way that anyone from mazdausa could see your forums? at all..... hmmmmmm methinks you're making a bogus claim here

Doesn't matter if they can see it. They still legally can't use anything seen on that site against any of its members like this one does to theirs......

[jbiird317]

Doesn't matter if they can see it. They still legally can't use anything seen on that site against any of its members like this one does to theirs......

and what makes that so much different than this site? enlighten me.....

just cuz you guys are convinced that mazda pays off this site does not make it fact.....

[ProtoType5]

My point was not personally directed at your situation, just at this flame fest in general...Seems like no-one in here can even consider being on the other side of this equation...

Seriously, I'm sorry you got voided...I think that in some cases it's BS....Could have towed it home or to storage first...if that was the only mod, could have saved you a lot of headaches.

[Darksun280]

This is absurd, you are clearly just being bitter now. There is a disclaimer saying that installign these parts MAY void manufacturer warranty. I promise you that every quality manufacturer will have such a disclaimer somewhere on their product or website.

I'm not bitter I make more then enough money to pay that 3100 to fix everything. hell I went out paid for the car then went and got a PS3 right after. Matter fact I like not having a warranty I was holding back before but now im having a blasty blast with the car. Point is its the principle of the situation. I had an intake the mount cracked I got voided and got a letter in the mail saying that the intake was the cause of the failure because it made me want to abuse the car. Yup that about sums up what the letter said.

[ProtoType5]

Dude, you are bitter. But you're RICH!!!

[Darksun280]

and what makes that so much different than this site? enlighten me.....

just cuz you guys are convinced that mazda pays off this site does not make it fact.....

the fact is they DID use information on this site against me. The kicker is they got mad I posted pictures of my broken mount online not even realizing the original poster had the EXACT failure I did and he was a full bolt on MS3 and got covered. Me with my Cobb SRI was walked on. what made that guy so special and not me. Maybe if I had more money they would have covered me.....

[Darksun280]

Dude, you are bitter. But you're RICH!!!

Yeah im pretty sexy too.

[Darksun280]

My point was not personally directed at your situation, just at this flame fest in general...Seems like no-one in here can even consider being on the other side of this equation...

Seriously, I'm sorry you got voided...I think that in some cases it's BS....Could have towed it home or to storage first...if that was the only mod, could have saved you a lot of headaches.

yeah shit happens but I honestly didn't think they would void me for an intake when they sell one themselves. I said those exact words out loud. Before the tow truck got there. I guess I was wrong cause the letter they sent me said different. And why should I tow my self somewhere else I didn't do anything wrong so why pay to tow to newyork. Thats the whole guilty until proven innocent idea im not trying to indulge with Mazda USA. its the other way around. Hence why that magson moss act gets walked all over...

[jbiird317]

I'm not bitter I make more then enough money to pay that 3100 to fix everything. hell I went out paid for the car then went and got a PS3 right after. Matter fact I like not having a warranty I was holding back before but now im having a blasty blast with the car. Point is its the principle of the situation. I had an intake the mount cracked I got voided and got a letter in the mail saying that the intake was the cause of the failure because it made me want to abuse the car. Yup that about sums up what the letter said.

im very proud that you have a high paying profession but that was not my point. Don't irrationally criticize this site's practices or make false claims without having a bit of fact to back it up.

as for your unique situation with mazda - it really sucks that mazda came on here and found your posts and used them against you. however this was not the fault of mazdas247, it was your fault. Same as if my warranty were voided it would be my fault. And yes, even though i too have the money, shelling out $3000 would still suck. No one is trying to take that away from you. I would love to see a copy of the letter though, seems like a few things are being omitted.

[Darksun280]

im very proud that you have a high paying profession but that was not my point. Don't irrationally criticize this site's practices or make false claims without having a bit of fact to back it up.

as for your unique situation with mazda - it really sucks that mazda came on here and found your posts and used them against you. however this was not the fault of mazdas247, it was your fault. Same as if my warranty were voided it would be my fault. And yes, even though i too have the money, shelling out $3000 would still suck. No one is trying to take that away from you. I would love to see a copy of the letter though, seems like a few things are being omitted.

yeah that freaking letter omitted alot of things too. You wouldn't believe it even If I did post it. it said voided for after market parts on the vehicle. It was like 5 lines long and most of it was intro..... I really thought after all that bull shit they would say they voided it for abuse but they spent all that time trying to get me to admit i beat on the car then they send a letter basically saying my intake and or BPV voided my warranty.

[occschemguy]

Are these all of your mods? If so, don't you think it more likely that THEY are the cause of your voided warranty? Do you really think you should have a warranty with all of the work you've done?

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2918564&postcount=85


first here is another guy who sepened info from the forums http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123665485&highlight=mazda+employees

yes the post was in january 07 and i took the car to the dealer for service in feb. 07 and said Mazda had clasified my car as w1 do to my posting on this forum and even sent him a print out from this forum of my post. i at that time posted a thread about mazda employees and banning them and got flamed for it.I tried to get antoine to delete my post and wouldnt Hmmm i wonder why not? oh ya but he deleted the thread on banning mazda employees.

[NCZ13]

wow this thread turned into a clusterfuck.

im going to have to side with the people that say your shit out of luck. while it wasnt your intake per say that caused motor mount failure, there is no denying that you were driving your car hard.

the magnuson moss act covers you, but not in a case like this.

anyone who think s dealership would void a warranty on the engine over an aftermarket head unit is just being immature. you know that a head unit and the engine arent related at all. so its pointless to make stupid comments like that.

[tunersteve]

Ok, I think you're looking at the wrong picture right now guys. Do you have any evidence at all to back this up?....NO. All there is right now is reasonable speculation that someone posted on here and you all go buck wild about it. It's like a bunch of little girls at the bus stop in middle school. If you can't prove it, then why bring it up in the first place.

Here's an example:
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123702905

The guy blew his engine, but wants to roll over. Members (including mods) are in there telling him 'No, go get your warranty claim' since he had no issues and kept the car running properly. Even Ken, who could have sold him a new engine, was trying to get him something and went above and beyond the scope that most people would consider reasonable.

Just one last thing. Remember when you mod a car, weigh the risks and rewards, and make sure that you're willing to accept the responsibility of those risks if they do arise.

[occschemguy]

first here is another guy who sepened info from the forums http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123665485&highlight=mazda+employees

Statement by antoine in thread -
I'm going to e-mail my contacts at MNAO and see if they can help to resolve this situation.

yes the post was in january 07 and i took the car to the dealer for service in feb. 07 and said Mazda had clasified my car as w1 do to my posting on this forum and even sent him a print out from this forum of my post. i at that time posted a thread about mazda employees and banning them and got flamed for it.I tried to get antoine to delete my post and wouldnt Hmmm i wonder why not? oh ya but he deleted the thread on banning mazda employees.

[Darksun280]

wow this thread turned into a clusterfuck.

im going to have to side with the people that say your shit out of luck. while it wasnt your intake per say that caused motor mount failure, there is no denying that you were driving your car hard.

the magnuson moss act covers you, but not in a case like this.

anyone who think s dealership would void a warranty on the engine over an aftermarket head unit is just being immature. you know that a head unit and the engine arent related at all. so its pointless to make stupid comments like that.

So my intake and my motor mount our directly related? Do you hear yourself? So since i own an intake i was driving my car hard? does this apply to all members who decided to purchase an intake be it a mazda one or outside vendor?

[NCZ13]

from what i remember earlier it was stated you posted time slips from the track..

now im pretty sure that if your driving your car at the track... chances are you arent shifting at 2.5 rpms...

the dealership probably saw your intake, saw the broken mount and used the combination of the two as a scapegoat to not to the work. quit your bitching annd your whining. your arguing with people who are sympathizing with your situation.

[NCZ13]

i would also like to add that most aftermarket parts come with some form of a disclaimer saying that this device is for off road use only.

[jbiird317]

enough fun for one day....lock

[jersey_emt]

I didn't read through this thread 100% completely so if another admin or supermod already posted this I apologize for repeating it.

Mazda Forums is a community run by Mazda owners and enthusiasts and for Mazda owners and enthusiasts. While just like any very large forum, we sometimes make decisions that are not popular ones, or ones that even cause a small minority of users to pack up and leave the community, even maybe for other Mazda forums, to suggest that we would help Mazda USA to void the warranties of our members by openly providing IP addresses to aid in identifying our members and their cars, is completely irrational and downright absurd (in addition to being completely disrespectful of the people who volunteer their time to keep the forums running as smoothly as possible).

Mazda Forums has not, and never will, supply Mazda USA, Mazda North American Operations, or any affiliate of Mazda with IP addresses of our members to aid in identifying members for the purpose of voiding their warranties due to modifications, 'abuse', or any other reason. The fact of the matter is that despite the laws that force Mazda to prove that an aftermarket part was the direct cause of a failure, they have voided and will continue to void warranties because of modifications or evidence of abuse. Being able to 'pay to play' is something that everyone needs to consider before they modify their car in any way, or bring it to the drag strip, autocross, or track. While the chances of getting your warranty voided due to something minor like an intake are fairly low, it isn't 0.0%.

Mazda Forums is committed to this community 100% and will continue to be committed to this community 100% in the future (despite what some members may think or any 'conspiracy theories' out there). There is only one situation where we would even think about divulging IP addresses or other personal information to Mazda or any third party for that matter -- a subpoena issued by a court with the legal power and jurisdiction to do so. Thinking anything to the contrary is simply crazy talk. And luckily for any members who live in the USA, this site is hosted on servers physically located in Canada, which means that it would be very difficult for Mazda USA to legally subpoena any private information about members. We have in fact been subpoenaed (I think) two times in the past, but did not have to actually divulge any information due to the fact that this site is Canadian.

-Justin

PS -- thread has been re-opened but will be locked if things get out of hand again.

[BlackJack]

^ +10000000000


If Mazda voids my warranty cause of my gauges, then so be it. I have other plans for this car and I know I will be responsible for what I do to the car and it will be voided anyway.

Also, I have never taken my car to Mazda, only for Recalls and TSBs. I did everything myself and I intend to keep it this way. If I have a problem, then I would take it to my family's mechanic shop. I trust them better than the dealership period.

[jaydubz]

^ +10000000000


If Mazda voids my warranty cause of my gauges, then so be it. I have other plans for this car and I know I will be responsible for what I do to the car and it will be voided anyway.

Also, I have never taken my car to Mazda, only for Recalls and TSBs. I did everything myself and I intend to keep it this way. If I have a problem, then I would take it to my family's mechanic shop. I trust them better than the dealership period.

Then you are probably pretty lucky to have a family member in the car repair business. However there are some that do not have that privilege and should not be subject to unfair business practices due to low quality parts or shoddy repair or recall work.

If you play then you must pay, yes! I would say that is the case for anyone installing meth or nitrous but a boost gauge?!? C'mon!

[MS3077]

Then you are probably pretty lucky to have a family member in the car repair business. However there are some that do not have that privilege and should not be subject to unfair business practices due to low quality parts or shoddy repair or recall work.

If you play then you must pay, yes! I would say that is the case for anyone installing meth or nitrous but a boost gauge?!? C'mon!

+1

Kind of off topic but I think Mazda upped the boost on the MS3 Car & Driver tested that ran 14flat@101.

[jbiird317]

thanks justin!!