Mazda Issues Stop Sale on MS3 CAI

[///M Compact]

Based on what I read on the other board-and confirmed by at least one Mazdaspeed dealer-Mazda issued a bulletin on 3/14/08 instructing dealers to stop selling the MS3 CAI until further notice and that more information would be forthcoming. Has anyone heard of anything similar? I just ordered mine on 3/12/08 so I guess I'll wait until I learn more before I install it...(bang)

[jaydubz]

interesting, must be a few hydro locks happening! Might be a redesign in the works or they may completely sell the item as is and have you sign something when you buy it to them from any liability

[Betelgeuse]

When I had mine it was pretty good and I never had any hesitation issues like some others. It seems like the weather factors in heavily on how this car performs with bolt-ons.

*edit* aahhh! Jaydubz beat me to it! Could also be related to issues with water ingestion or fouled-up mafs. Seems like more than few people have had maf issues after driving through heavy rains. Just guesses. I'd really like to find out more about this. I'll probably ask the service advisor the next time I go in for an oil change.

[AutoXRacer]

If anyone gets info on this please post it up!!!!!

(subing)

[ForceFed]

interesting, must be a few hydro locks happening! I highly doubt this is the issue.
If you hydrolock your motor during normal driving..you deserve it.

[enganear]

I highly doubt this is the issue.
If you hydrolock your motor during normal driving..you deserve it.

Cars and factory authorized mods sold to the public must be "blonde-proof".
-enganear

[TurboWagon]

If anyone gets info on this please post it up!!!!!

(subing)

PLEASE! I put mine on not too long ago. No problems yet but if there is something they aren't telling us, I am going to be mad.

[Conso]

plz..i drove through 6 inches of water a couple weeks ago and i didn't hydrolock, prolly either a redesign or that dealship came across one w/ a defect or something who knows, i got mine in spring of 07 and havn't had a problem yet

[redrocketz]

we just ordered some and they didn't tell us anything so I don't know what is up with that.

[assman]

lol I went in today just to see what the prices were and the parts dept was closed. I guess it doesnt matter anymore unless Canada is not affected.

[jaydubz]

plz..i drove through 6 inches of water a couple weeks ago and i didn't hydrolock, prolly either a redesign or that dealship came across one w/ a defect or something who knows, i got mine in spring of 07 and havn't had a problem yet

LOL, then consider yourself very lucky my friend! With a CAI it is only a matter of time and the puddle!

[StealthWyvern]

LOL, then consider yourself very lucky my friend! With a CAI it is only a matter of time and the puddle!

I personally believe its a little of commen sense is needed when owning a CAI. I have one on my car and had it on for a little under two years and haven't had a problem. However I dont go though big puddles wide open or at all.(I know I don't own a MS3 but the same common sense applys either way)

[Haltech]

LOL, then consider yourself very lucky my friend! With a CAI it is only a matter of time and the puddle!

Really? What evidence do you have to back this up than?

[dparm1984]

Hydrolock only occurs when you submerge the filter, this is a fact. And at water that deep, it's probably going to enter the cabin and you risk having the car swept away.


This makes me nervous, as I just put it on last weekend. Can anyone else substantiate this? Swapping the stock airbox in only takes a few minutes, fortunately.

[///M Compact]

Can anyone else substantiate this?

You have a PM.

[ForceFed]

LOL, then consider yourself very lucky my friend! With a CAI it is only a matter of time and the puddle!
Puddle...If you Hydro lock..you are likely well into 12"+ of water..and As I said before..If you drove into something that deep....You deserve it.

Whats funny is that one member made an off the wall , unsubstantiated comment concerning hydrolock..and all you guys freak out thinking thats the problem....(boom06)

This place is absolutely funny...you guys will believe anything someone throws out there.

[buttdart]

ekkk, no wonder the dealer agreed to throwing in the MS3 intake at no extra charge on exactly 3/14/08. i will be sure to question this on monday when i pick up my new car.

[billyrohm]

Sub

[Betelgeuse]

Puddle...If you Hydro lock..you are likely well into 12"+ of water..and As I said before..If you drove into something that deep....You deserve it.



Sometimes it's hard to tell the actual depth of the water, esp. when the road surface is uneven. I can't tell you how many times I drove into deeper water than expected. It can happen to anyone but more so, those who live in rainy areas. IMO, the best way to prevent hydrolock with a cai is avoid standing water period. The problem is, that's not always easy to do.

[Andrade08]

The MS3 intake isn't CARB approved for the 08 models yet. It was OK for the 07s because it had the Emissions papers/numbers but they had to refile for the 08 model year. This is what I am betting the problem is. The dealer can't sell and install some thing on a new car that does have a 50 state legal CARB number.

[jaydubz]

Sometimes it's hard to tell the actual depth of the water, esp. when the road surface is uneven. I can't tell you how many times I drove into deeper water than expected. It can happen to anyone but more so, those who live in rainy areas. IMO, the best way to prevent hydrolock with a cai is avoid standing water period. The problem is, that's not always easy to do.

EXACTLY! Looks like forcefed has never been to florida!

[dparm1984]

Or Arizona...damn monsoon rains are scary.

[kura808]

uhh if ur afraid of hydrolock get either the injen sock thingy
http://injen.com/docs/products/listing.asp?pcc=rp
or
the aem bypass valve
http://www.aempower.com/ViewCategory.aspx?CategoryID=20
i'm sure they'll work for ur guys cais cause they come in different sizes and what not.

[AutoXRacer]

uhh if ur afraid of hydrolock get either the injen sock thingy
http://injen.com/docs/products/listing.asp?pcc=rp
or
the aem bypass valve
http://www.aempower.com/ViewCategory.aspx?CategoryID=20
i'm sure they'll work for ur guys cais cause they come in different sizes and what not.

Can't use the AEM bypass on FI applications. I tried looking into that and there is a note on their website...

I've got the sock for a little more piece of mind. Though I don't think it will help you if you submerge the filter. Its great for splash incidents...

[kura808]

o i see. i learned something new today hehe

[dparm1984]

let's get this off the beaten-to-death discussion of hydrolock and back towards learning why sales were suspended..........

[stevekt]

Hmm... This was a mod I was planning with my next oil change. Any more details?

[2ManyCars]

The MS3 intake isn't CARB approved for the 08 models yet. It was OK for the 07s because it had the Emissions papers/numbers but they had to refile for the 08 model year. This is what I am betting the problem is. The dealer can't sell and install some thing on a new car that does have a 50 state legal CARB number.

Could be but the dealer I purchased my 2008 from sold me the CAI.

[AutoXRacer]

Hmm... This was a mod I was planning with my next oil change. Any more details?

Go ahead and get the mod... I have a 2008 and I bought the MS CAI and have no issues. The reason is that the MS CAI carries a part number only approved for the 2007 model. When you look up the part number, its only listed for the 2007 model year. But there is no change between both model years...as far as the intake is concerned...

[dkswim]

subscribed.

[dparm1984]

Talked to the parts guy at my local dealer. He said they did indeed get the stop order on Friday afternoon but there were no details released since then.

It simply says "don't sell or install the CAI for the Speed3 and Speed6", and that "further details are coming".

He'll call me as soon as he knows something.

[GhostMercury]

dam they would do this right before i get my car

[///M Compact]

Talked to the parts guy at my local dealer. He said they did indeed get the stop order on Friday afternoon but there were no details released since then.

It simply says "don't sell or install the CAI for the Speed3 and Speed6", and that "further details are coming".

He'll call me as soon as he knows something.

Thanks for the update. At least I haven't installed mine.

[AutoXRacer]

I wonder if there will be a recall on it or something...?

[///M Compact]

I wonder if there will be a recall on it or something...?

I hope that it's just some CARB nonsense; other than that, I don't know what it would be...(pissed)

[redspeed]

I wonder if there will be a recall on it or something...?

Recall!!? For what? the filter? (rofl2)

[elieleb1303]

of course they decide to stop selling this after i just installed it lol
but i mean im sure its nothing big. people have had them for a while and i havent heard of any problems.
im sure its no big deal

[Conso]

lol just get the cai, use common sense and u wont hav any problems, just remember to clean it, and considering it comes w/ a dryflow i giv props to mazda, dryflow ftw

[AutoXRacer]

Recall!!? For what? the filter? (rofl2)


No, but maybe they have realized the maf tube size is causing lean spots in the bottom end of the RPM range and potentially harming the reliability of the engine... I don't know, just throwing that out there...

[dparm1984]

Well the ECU has tables it picks and chooses from, unless they're saying the tables themselves do not work correctly with the CAI. I would be really surprised if that were the case, but thank God for reflashable ECUs.

[crossbow]

It's not like mazda designed the mazdaspeed cai. AEM did...and they don't have the best track record of doing proper research when it comes to mazda vehicles. See the mazda6 forums if you need a list of check engine lights, or the "unannouced" product revision with no letter to previous owners who purchased the first gen intakes.

(For those unaware...pretty much every single mazdaspeed product isn't a mazda product. They're all just relabeled aftermarket parts sold as mazdaspeed with a price hike.)

At least injen realized their mistake and did something about it.

Its definitely possible this is either CARB, a change in the 2008.5 intake system, or lean codes popping up in some vehicles.

My guess? It probably has nothing to do with the car, problems, or carb, and everything to do with an argument over cost between Mazda and AEM, just like what happened with Bosal and Mazda.

[dparm1984]

Interesting, but not surprised that MS contracts it to someone. I wonder who makes the MS exhausts.

Got a link to the Bosal situation? I never heard the full story on that.

[Ben Nast]

This sucks! After hounding my wife for months, she finally said I could get one and now this!

[dparm1984]

Dealer says that it's suspended because of how it causes CELs for a lean code. This might be tied in with the lack of a MAF straightener.

[///M Compact]

I sure wish that I'd waited a bit longer to order it... (pissed)

[dparm1984]

Yeah really, I just put mine in about two weeks ago.

The parts guy at my dealer seems pretty cool, so I'll just keep in touch with him to see if the kit gets revised or recalled.

[TurboWagon]

This sucks! After hounding my wife for months, she finally said I could get one and now this!

Im not married or anything like that. But what was stopping you from getting it, putting it on and not telling..... ;)

But about the lean code. I have had mine on for about 2 weeks as well and never thrown a code. I also bought it through PG. I wonder, if there is a recall, if it will be as simple as going to the dealership and getting the problem solved?

I pretty much got the MS CAI so shit like this wouldn't happen. At least Mazda knows something is going on and are doing something about it though.

[Mid_Life_Crisis]

At least Mazda knows something is going on and are doing something about it though.

How touchingly optimistic (not to mention naive) you sound. Mazda has suspended selling new kits. This does not mean for a second that they will do anything for the poor schmucks who already bought one. Remember how long it took them to "man up" and admit that there was a problem with the transmission mount.

[AutoXRacer]

I've had mine installed since Nov 07 and I haven't had any CELs what so ever either...

[Mid_Life_Crisis]

I've had mine installed since Nov 07 and I haven't had any CELs what so ever either...

I'm one of the lucky ones in that respect. I have had mine in as a CAI for several months and as an SRI for the last couple of months and (crosses fingers) no CELs yet. It probably helps that I am completely up to date on all recalls and S/As.

[TurboWagon]

How touchingly optimistic (not to mention naive) you sound. Mazda has suspended selling new kits. This does not mean for a second that they will do anything for the poor schmucks who already bought one. Remember how long it took them to "man up" and admit that there was a problem with the transmission mount.

Yeah, which was the reason I would NEVER buy a car the first year it is available, you never know what problems could arise and I would rather wait for the "guinea pigs" to discover that for me. But yes, I am optimistic about Mazda but I dont see a problem with that. Not everyone is out to get you and what will thinking that way accomplish?

As far as having them resupply new parts (if necessary) I DO have doubt about that. Yet, I have been lucky like a few of us and never received a CEL so hopefully mine will be okay. But if they do redesign the kit, good luck with the resale of any "old" MS CAI kit with all this mess flying around about lean codes and boost spikes.

[whitey4311]

Had mine on my MS3 since May of 07 and no problems at all. I just did the 20k cleaning a bit early to check it over at 17k miles and it was perfect. I ran my finger in the pipe and it was 100% clean. The inside of the filter was spotless and tons of black stuff came out with washing it so its doing its job well.

Not sure why there would be an issue but I sure dont have one and am not worried about it.

[Pondo]

i don't want to disrespect anyone here but all you guys are retarded. Theres no way you're going to hydro lock your car unless you submerge it deep enough for water to enter into the car.

And if this happens? WTF are you doing crossing a river? this ain't a Toyota truck.

[crossbow]

Well bosal story is basically this (you can search on 6club forums).

Bosal made the mazdaspeed exhausts that were on the rev it up Mazda 6's. They were available as mazdaspeed parts for a short while, then supposedly they had a fight with mazda over pricing, and decided not to work with mazda anymore. Soon after, a mass influx of ebay sales occured, with mazdaspeed exhausts. Those owners with bosal exhausts noticed the only difference between the two, were the mspeed exhausts had a mspeed logo on them.

In terms of whose making what. I "think" this was the final tally.

Clutch (Anyone remember this? I sure hope its not spec!)
Sways/Springs- Ebiach
Short Throw Shifter -B&M
Exhaust-"Was Bosal"
Flywheel-Exedy
Intakes-AEM
(CP-E actually tried to get theres in, but couldn't meet mazda's production demands)

As for the whole "Mines fine, i haven't gotten a cel". The correct statement is "I haven't had a cel..yet." We've had members go 30k miles on leaning intakes without a cel, then finally get a bunch..usually right when they get emissions checked (pending codes can cause a readiness test failure). It takes two lean codes to throw a cel, 1st is hidden as a pending code. Many owners would drive around with pending codes unawares, as nobody ever seems to buy a scanner to check their own car..even after spending thousands on aftermarket parts.

This does go to show that SOP is still in effect at the AEM camp. Lean out the A/F ratio to make additional power to make your intake better then the competition. Of course you always hope they aren't leaning it out at the wrong point in the curve.

[GhostMercury]

so then are they redesigning it or stoping production totally??? the warrentied aftermarket parts is what makes this car

[redrocketz]

hah we just got a couple from Mazda yesterday.

[zoomzone]

Juat in case anyone wants to see the official parts bulletin, here it is.

[GhostMercury]

wtf. give us info mazda

[tunersteve]

I see they also stopped sale of the CAI for the MS6. Sucks since I was supposed to get one for my birthday next month. Bastards.

[AutoXRacer]

Anyone interested in buy a slightly used MS CAI...? (lol2)

[tunersteve]

Can one of the dealers e-mail them ASAP to find out the reasoning. I've heard its for one of two things: hydrolock issues or emissions testing. Can anyone confirm that?

[AutoXRacer]

Can one of the dealers e-mail them ASAP to find out the reasoning. I've heard its for one of two things: hydrolock issues or emissions testing. Can anyone confirm that?
If its either, then I don't care!!!! (lol2)(drive2)

[Captain KRM P5]

tunersteve if you want that intake i have ONE i was able to snag from my dealership. parts manager was told not to sell it to me and he told mazda NA to "go f**k yourself" while i was there.

spoke with the master tech at my local dealership. word from the regional reps is that the intake would, depending on what else was on the car and what climate it was in, would run a lean off-idle code or hesitate. i've probably sold more of these intakes than anyone and the majority of them have not caused any problems (or customers don't tell me about them).

[drledford93]

I have one of the "custom" CAIs that was assembled from Spectre components. I've been throwing the "lean at idle" code for months now when the weather is cold, but no hesitation whatsoever. What redspeed (who originally did this) said is that the ID of this intake is 3" vs the stock 2.75", thus the code. I'm getting the adapter soon and it should resolve the problem.

Just my $0.02.

Daniel

[tunersteve]

tunersteve if you want that intake i have ONE i was able to snag from my dealership. parts manager was told not to sell it to me and he told mazda NA to "go f**k yourself" while i was there.

spoke with the master tech at my local dealership. word from the regional reps is that the intake would, depending on what else was on the car and what climate it was in, would run a lean off-idle code or hesitate. i've probably sold more of these intakes than anyone and the majority of them have not caused any problems (or customers don't tell me about them).

Ken, you've got PM.

[itzl0l]

ive had my ms cai for about 12k miles now....never any problems at all. I think it has to do with carb cert. for the 08's

[GhostMercury]

well hopefully they redesign because i REALLy want one for my ms3

[tubebrner]

Damn, I bought one slightly used on here a few months ago but I still haven't put it on because its f**king cold. I was going to put it on next weekend. Now I don't know what to do. Hurry up and tell us what's up Maaaazda

[tunersteve]

Anyone have any more info on this?

[TheMAN]

dude, chill out
either me, zoomzone, or ken will have info as it becomes available
I checked for new TSBs and recalls at least once a week and now I will check the parts flashes as well

[Captain KRM P5]

i spoke with the techs again and they affirm it is because of random cars throwing "lean off idle" codes under certain conditions, ie - cold weather. i do not think mazda is going to void the warranty of anyone who has bought these intakes prior to the 'stop sale' order nor do i think they will leave any of thier customers high and dry.

[tunersteve]

dude, chill out
either me, zoomzone, or ken will have info as it becomes available
I checked for new TSBs and recalls at least once a week and now I will check the parts flashes as well

I appreciate the help, but you could really do without the attitude.

[Captain KRM P5]

i spoke to my regional rep today and he is confident the intakes will be back on the market. expect an ECU reflash to accompany it though. this could all change mind you, but this is the gist of it i heard today.

[AutoXRacer]

i spoke to my regional rep today and he is confident the intakes will be back on the market. expect an ECU reflash to accompany it though. this could all change mind you, but this is the gist of it i heard today.

A reflash...? In terms of making the car run richer?
Hmm (scratch), this wouldn't be a MPS (Australia) type reflash? (huh)

[blake_peanut]

i spoke with the techs again and they affirm it is because of random cars throwing "lean off idle" codes under certain conditions, ie - cold weather. i do not think mazda is going to void the warranty of anyone who has bought these intakes prior to the 'stop sale' order nor do i think they will leave any of thier customers high and dry.

Hey Ken or anyone else, are these coming in as CEL's? Or some pre yada yada code that doesn't show up as a CEL, that someone mentioned earlier in this thread? I'm in Ontario and it's been in the minus' since I purchased the car in late December with the MS CAI. I have had no problems to speak of, no CEL's, no stuttering, fuel cut off etc. "Knocks on wood" I was thinking of going with the COBB Intake when I get my CPE DP in a few weeks, because of all this hype with hydrolock, splashes of water getting on the filter, maf damage (corrosion). I don't want to start shit haha, but opinions? Stay with MS or go Cobb?

Hmmm...might be a little harder to sell the MS CAI than I originally thought.

[GhostMercury]

i spoke to my regional rep today and he is confident the intakes will be back on the market. expect an ECU reflash to accompany it though. this could all change mind you, but this is the gist of it i heard today.

this would be totally sweet but hopefully the reflash doesn;t take away from any of the gains. But as long as they put the intakes back on the market

[mysleeper6]

subbin'

[speedi3]

sub'd

[SSMS3]

10k+ miles with no issues (so far)

[redheaddstpch1d]

20k Miles with no problems!

[mazda_speedfox]

Anyone have an idea of when these will be back on market?

[xbox4414]

Wow, this is interesting. So does this mean a ECU reflash will be available to all? If they do remarket the CAI with flash.

[Renzokuken]

Puddle...If you Hydro lock..you are likely well into 12"+ of water..and As I said before..If you drove into something that deep....You deserve it.

Whats funny is that one member made an off the wall , unsubstantiated comment concerning hydrolock..and all you guys freak out thinking thats the problem....(boom06)

This place is absolutely funny...you guys will believe anything someone throws out there.

Welcome to the internet.

[robin2660]

I was at the dealer today and asked. The parts guy told me it is still available, and he could have it for me in short order.

[GhostMercury]

my dealer is still selling it also

[Captain KRM P5]

the warehouses will not ship these and and have emailed dealers stating this. yes they are in stock at the warehouse but the email i have from mazda says they are not filling dealer orders.

of course if your dealer has them on the shelf, they can pretty much do whatever they want

[GhostMercury]

figures. and my dealsership wants to charge me 399 for it

[Pirana]

CARB is for California only....not the remaining states.

[redrocketz]

CARB is for California only....not the remaining states.

True but quite a few states use the same standards now.

[Captain KRM P5]

if i ran a GREAT deal on injen intakes with CARB certification and in black coating would you guys be interested?

[Ziggo]

I am in California and had it installed today. Parts + Labor for 400$

If there is an emissions issue it is under warranty, so I couldn't really care less. Service desk said he had nothing that told him to stop installing them. Not that I really trust that, but I did ask.

[08cosmic3]

I thought you could no longer get one. I want one. Where did you get yours?

Scott.

[xbox4414]

Honestly, I think the MS CAI is now overrated. I hastily bought one and now wish I went with a Cobb SRI. Much cheaper and the gains are the same. I know a lot are scared about warranty problems however I have many mods done and my dealer has said nothing, just simply if a problem is mod related they will stop and tell me about it and still will not charge me for diagnosis. So for those wanting a MS CAI I suggest going Cobb or if a CAI is a must I'm sure vendors on the site can still get them.

[samsel450r]

my ms cai has been on my car since its has had 12 miles on it... now i have 10500 im getting lean codes and my car runs like crap..it only runs good if i go throught the gears at higher rpm and when its FLOORED lol... and it stalls on cold starts..

[2ManyCars]

my ms cai has been on my car since its has had 12 miles on it... now i have 10500 im getting lean codes and my car runs like crap..it only runs good if i go throught the gears at higher rpm and when its FLOORED lol... and it stalls on cold starts..

Could it perhaps be some other problem(s)? Judging from the picture it looks like your use of the car falls into the "spirited driving" category. :) Maybe somethin' else is broke...

[samsel450r]

lol no.......... i had to get rid of those tires i hated the stock tires they never would hook...i scanned it again today and it just said the p2177 code

[dkswim]

you might need to disconnect the battery. do you still have the factory air box. p2177 system too lean off idle bank 1.

[jengajoe]

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[tunersteve]

It sounds like most guys are MS3 owners that are throwing codes. Wonder how long it's gonna take to get this corrected.

[samsel450r]

you might need to disconnect the battery. do you still have the factory air box. p2177 system too lean off idle bank 1.

ive disconnected the battery a few times and i do a a cel on..

[dread]

take it to the dealer.

[samsel450r]

i should prolly put on my cat and bov first....

[GhostMercury]

yea that would be a good idea. but obviously the cai is recalled for a reason

[WagonMan]

yea that would be a good idea. but obviously the cai is recalled for a reason
Recalled has a very specific meaning in the automotive world. Last time I checked recall notices have not gone out to MSCAI owners.

[fastdreams]

my ms cai has been on my car since its has had 12 miles on it... now i have 10500 im getting lean codes and my car runs like crap..it only runs good if i go throught the gears at higher rpm and when its FLOORED lol... and it stalls on cold starts..

Wait so you have:
"ms cai, street unit boost tubes, hks ssqv bov, atp bcd, turboxs BC,
turboxs test pipe... one step colder plugs...replaced both resinators and muffler with straight pipe."

It's funny you're blaming your CAI for your lean code when you have those mods.

The CAI is only a very small part of your problem. I'd start with the blow-off valve, throw it in the garbage and install a bypass valve like the system is designed for, unless you're running the "BOV" in recirc mode (if it has one).

Go back to stock + the CAI I bet your car runs great, albeit with less max horsepower.

[GoFast]

i dont know about this whole cai lean thing. I have had mine on since i had about 1000 miles on my 07 and i am now at 23k + and havent had a single code pop up and that is in all kinds of weather from a blistering vegas summer to a frigid chicago winter.

[GoFast]

Wait so you have:
"ms cai, street unit boost tubes, hks ssqv bov, atp bcd, turboxs BC,
turboxs test pipe... one step colder plugs...replaced both resinators and muffler with straight pipe."

It's funny you're blaming your CAI for your lean code when you have those mods.

The CAI is only a very small part of your problem. I'd start with the blow-off valve, throw it in the garbage and install a bypass valve like the system is designed for, unless you're running the "BOV" in recirc mode (if it has one).

Go back to stock + the CAI I bet your car runs great, albeit with less max horsepower.

+1,000,000

[GhostMercury]

my dealership still sells it so idk why some do and some dont

[dread]

a guy in another thread said there is a new tsb for system lean at idle cel 2187. Its a reflash.

[GhostMercury]

anybody have confirmation on this reflash?

[Sierra117]

Wait so you have:
"ms cai, street unit boost tubes, hks ssqv bov, atp bcd, turboxs BC,
turboxs test pipe... one step colder plugs...replaced both resinators and muffler with straight pipe."

It's funny you're blaming your CAI for your lean code when you have those mods.

The CAI is only a very small part of your problem. I'd start with the blow-off valve, throw it in the garbage and install a bypass valve like the system is designed for, unless you're running the "BOV" in recirc mode (if it has one).

Go back to stock + the CAI I bet your car runs great, albeit with less max horsepower.

There are a few guys running full turbo backs, upgraded TMICs or Front Mounts, with more boost, and a different BOV in recirc or BPV running just fine. I would think in the case mentioned here, the problem may indeed just be the intake.

[GhostMercury]

but those guys have map clamps.

[buttdart]

from my friend who is parts manager at mazda dealer....


"I just got off of the phone with Mazda about the CAI.

As far as they can tell me it at least has been confirmed that the issue is due to a CEL coming on because of the Mass air flow sensor throwing faulty signals for air fuel mixture.

There will be a re-flash issued for the owners that currently have the intake on their cars and one available with the new intakes being sold.

I will try to keep this thread updated when i find more information out"

[GhostMercury]

sweet, a reflash would be nice as long as they just add fuel, and dont take away from the nice gains we see with the CAI

[GhostMercury]

just got back from my dealership and they dont know shit. but they are saying the exhaust is being held also. has anyone else heard about this?

[Darkhorse]

just called the dealership and they said they could order it and it could be in within a day? hmmm strange?

[Ferdball]

just called the dealership and they said they could order it and it could be in within a day? hmmm strange?

Are dealers privy to email? What about telefax? Snail mail? Is it too much to ask that these so-called "Dealer Networks" communicate enough to have more info than a guy who calls himself "Ferdball" on the Internet? My god people, who did we buy our cars from?

[buttdart]

when i was up at the dealer today talking to the guy that told me the info in my above post, he said they have 3 intakes in stock but couldn't sell them. :(

[samsel450r]

Wait so you have:
"ms cai, street unit boost tubes, hks ssqv bov, atp bcd, turboxs BC,
turboxs test pipe... one step colder plugs...replaced both resinators and muffler with straight pipe."

It's funny you're blaming your CAI for your lean code when you have those mods.

The CAI is only a very small part of your problem. I'd start with the blow-off valve, throw it in the garbage and install a bypass valve like the system is designed for, unless you're running the "BOV" in recirc mode (if it has one).

Go back to stock + the CAI I bet your car runs great, albeit with less max horsepower.

its funny how ur wrong cause my car is back to stock except the intake and exhaust i put the cat back on and stock bvp and my hks was recirculated and still runs like crap and has the 2 cel codes.... theres one more thing im going
to try before i take it to the other dealer and it is putting my muffler back on cause now that i think of it the cels came on a few hours after i took the muffler off...

[dread]

taking your muffler off wouldn't cause a cel. You probably have a bad purge valve. Mine has failed 3 times already, so I am on my 4th purge valve in 12,000 miles. Go buy a purge valve and put it on see what happens.

[justa4banger]

Hmm ... well this was a good read.

I know my MS3 has had the MS CAI on it for over 10k miles and i haven't had a single issue with stalling, hesitation, CELs or nada. this car has been extreme cold and blistering hot, had 87 oct to 93 octane in it. I know the CAI changes the way the maf reads, thus the nice power gains, plus the fact it just flows more air.

I'm sure under the right conditions it throws a lean code, now the question is how lean is it? and how long does it last?, Where in the rpm band is this happening? whats the threshold for throwing a lean code? if its happening down low in the rpms at the onset of boost, then i'm not worried. if its happening in the upper RPM's then there is a slight concern.

I'm sure mazda will get this straightened out and everyone will be happy again.

oh thanks for the laugh from all the "experts" on hydro-locking a the motor. it was amusing to say the least.

[Adammazda06]

just got back from my dealership and they dont know shit. but they are saying the exhaust is being held also. has anyone else heard about this?


the exhaust should be available. my dealership just put one on the other day, and there was not any trouble getting the exhaust. stock was low on it, and this one came from a canada warehouse. i called part technical to check for updates and the only info they have is "it isn't a safety issue". that's all they could say. they are still waiting on an update from the accessories group

[tunersteve]

Just a quick update for those of you who are still interested in this:

I had one ordered through Mazda parts (dad works there) and after placing the order, got this response from the rep:

'Cold Air Intake GRMS-8M-H32 (According to PDS, the part is on inspection hold)'

followed by this:
'Here is the status on GRMS-8M-H32 . . .
Yes, it is. Engineering is working on the root cause and correction. I don’t expect resolution for another couple of weeks'

No details yet, or ETA.

[redrocketz]

Just a quick update for those of you who are still interested in this:

I had one ordered through Mazda parts (dad works there) and after placing the order, got this response from the rep:

'Cold Air Intake GRMS-8M-H32 (According to PDS, the part is on inspection hold)'

followed by this:
'Here is the status on GRMS-8M-H32 . . .
Yes, it is. Engineering is working on the root cause and correction. I don’t expect resolution for another couple of weeks'

No details yet, or ETA.

hey we have a speed6 intake sitting here on the shelf if you really want it.
I'm thinking that this has something to do with the TSB and reflash for the lean codes they just released from what I heard from insiders they were going to make a reflash to reconcile this very issue and now they did.

[GhostMercury]

well hopefully it gets out to the public soon. I want my MS CAI and my bose to be fixed. Then i will fall in love with the car AGAIN

[tunersteve]

hey we have a speed6 intake sitting here on the shelf if you really want it.
I'm thinking that this has something to do with the TSB and reflash for the lean codes they just released from what I heard from insiders they were going to make a reflash to reconcile this very issue and now they did.

It's on order from Mazda @ wholesale, so I have to pass. I appreciate the offer though. The price I got it for is a steal IMO, otherwise I would have ordered and had it installed by now. I'm assuming I'll probably get one of the first once they 'revise' it.

[fb4life5002]

i have had the MS CAI for about 6 months and i have had no problems at all.

[fb4life5002]

i talked to this guy at street unit about the mazdaspeed cold air intake and he said they stop selling it because it causes the motor to run lean. i dont know if i believe him or not. what are your thoughts

[GhostMercury]

read the thread....what do you think is talked about in here. (I swear some people have never been on a forum)

[tunersteve]

I was able to get one, got it earlier and installed it. Their still working on it, but if I hear anything else I will post here.

[eddelgado]

So another week has passed anything new? Is the hold still in place? Is it a CARB issue or a lean issue? If lean is there a flash?

Ed

[mazpro]

I stopped by my dealer and the parts guy said they have them for sale and in stock. asked him about the hold and he didn't see anything so if I wanted one it's 399+tax.

Im thinking about picking it up, i got a coupon for 10% off since i just picked up the car.

[tunersteve]

I stopped by my dealer and the parts guy said they have them for sale and in stock. asked him about the hold and he didn't see anything so if I wanted one it's 399+tax.

Im thinking about picking it up, i got a coupon for 10% off since i just picked up the car.

That's expensive man. I know you can find it cheaper.

[mazpro]

That's expensive man. I know you can find it cheaper.

yeah, protege garage has them for like $300 but don't you have to buy it @ the dealer so you can use the warranty?

[zoomzone]

I stopped by my dealer and the parts guy said they have them for sale and in stock. asked him about the hold and he didn't see anything so if I wanted one it's 399+tax.

Im thinking about picking it up, i got a coupon for 10% off since i just picked up the car.

They can have as many as they want in stock, but they have been ordered to stop sales of them. I would give you 20% off, but I want to keep Mazda happy, and not be responsible for any warranty claims because I broke a rule.

[tunersteve]

yeah, protege garage has them for like $300 but don't you have to buy it @ the dealer so you can use the warranty?

I don't think you have to buy it at the dealer, I think you have to have it installed by the dealer for them to honor the warranty.

With that being said, it's a ploy to get more money out of you IMO. Install isn't that bad, and they might give me less hassle since its a MS product.

[mazpro]

They can have as many as they want in stock, but they have been ordered to stop sales of them. I would give you 20% off, but I want to keep Mazda happy, and not be responsible for any warranty claims because I broke a rule.

makes sense but the parts guy offered to sell it to me so i guess he didn't care (thumb)


I don't think you have to buy it at the dealer, I think you have to have it installed by the dealer for them to honor the warranty.

With that being said, it's a ploy to get more money out of you IMO. Install isn't that bad, and they might give me less hassle since its a MS product.

I don't mind the install, ive installed turbo kits; but i just want to make sure so that the dealer doesn't give me shit about not buying and having it installed by them. i guess I'll stop by today and ask my service guy.

[///M Compact]

My service advisor didn't have any problem with me installing the MS CAI. His opinion is that as long as it's a Green MS item I'm cool...

[MS3077]

I have the Cobb sri and the dealer doesn't give me a hassle

[GhostMercury]

I have the Cobb sri and the dealer doesn't give me a hassle

you post this all over the forum. but what you never seem to understand is that NOT EVERYONE goes to your dealership. EVERY dealership is different and just because your dealership is ok with cobb dont tell people it is ok in general. becase it is not. I dont wana see some poor sap listen to you and not get warranty work because of it

[///M Compact]

you post this all over the forum. but what you never seem to understand is that NOT EVERYONE goes to your dealership. EVERY dealership is different and just because your dealership is ok with cobb dont tell people it is ok in general.

X2

My dealer doesn't like non-MS stuff. That said, they do good work and I have free 5K mile oil changes for as long as I own the car. Could I slap on a Cobb SRI and fight with them over Magnuson Moss? Sure, but FOR ME it just isn't worth the hassle.

[MS3077]

you post this all over the forum. but what you never seem to understand is that NOT EVERYONE goes to your dealership. EVERY dealership is different and just because your dealership is ok with cobb dont tell people it is ok in general. becase it is not. I dont wana see some poor sap listen to you and not get warranty work because of it

I didn't say nor imply that "every" dealer is cool with any MOD! However, I do think a lot of ppl on this forum are a little scared to MOD their cars because of miss-information due to folks like yourself swearing by the MS products and warranty voiding if it doesn't say "Mazdaspeed" on it.

My point is this: Just talk to your service people first and then decide if you have to go the MS part route because if you don't you might be wasting a lot of money and quite possibly hydro lock if you live in a rainy/ stormy climate like myself.

[MS3077]

I didn't say nor imply that "every" dealer is cool with any MOD! However, I do think a lot of ppl on this forum are a little scared to MOD their cars because of miss-information due to folks like yourself swearing by the MS products and warranty voiding if it doesn't say "Mazdaspeed" on it.

My point is this: Just talk to your service people first and then decide if you have to go the MS part route because if you don't you might be wasting a lot of money and quite possibly hydro lock if you live in a rainy/ stormy climate like myself.

+1

[GhostMercury]

+1 to yourself??

[MS3077]

+1 to yourself??

Yes.

[Ferdball]

Keep that up and you'll grow hairy palms.

[MS3077]

Keep that up and you'll grow hairy palms.

Who are you talking to and what are you talking about??

[tunersteve]

I just wanna say that this hydrolock nonsense is just that. That wasn't the issue that the CAI got stopped in the first place, so let it rest.

If you wanna go out and buy one its your choice. Everyone has their reasons, whatever they may be. If not, there's Fujita, Injen, AEM (which is the same as the MS), CP-E, or Cobb. You've got options. If you're worried about the intake having a warranty, it still goes back somewhat to the whole 'Pay To Play' fundamentals.

To quote the instructions from the CAI:

'Note: Mazdaspeed Accessories carry a different warranty than Genuine Mazda Accessories. Review the applicable warranty statement with your Mazdaspeed dealer. This product is sold under the Mazdaspeed Green Warranty Satement.'

To quote the MS Green warranty:
'Mazdaspeed "Green" Performance accessories must be specifically approved by Mazda for their particular application. These parts are warranted for the first 12-months/12,000 miles from date of purchase, excluding labor.'

[Ferdball]

Who are you talking to and what are you talking about??

You. Joke. I guess its not funny.

[Thaibos2008]

I talked to the parts service department and they said that the check engine light was coming on after using the MS CAI. They said that too much air flow was passing the oxygen sensor. So I guess it was an air flow problem.

[buttdart]

still waiting for the release. :(

[///M Compact]

I just wanna say that this hydrolock nonsense is just that. That wasn't the issue that the CAI got stopped in the first place, so let it rest.

+1

[MS3077]

I don't remember anybody saying that "Hydro lock" was the reasoning behind stopping the sale of the MS CAI. However, hydro lock can, has, and will happen to people with a CAI. All it takes is driving thru a pretty decent size pot hole filed with water and BOOM there goes your motor. To each his own.

*off topic - Anybody hear anything on when the cobb AP is going to be released??

[slo03.5msp]

BTW to anyone wondering, I am a service writer and as far as mazda NA is concerened if it doesn't have mazdaspeed on it you will have a very difficult time getting things fixed. Ms3077 it's cool that your service department doesn't care. However on any major warranty claim a Mazda NA rep has to come out to validate it and if they saw your cobb anything, you better get your checkbook out.

[Sacrilicious]

BTW to anyone wondering, I am a service writer and as far as mazda NA is concerened if it doesn't have mazdaspeed on it you will have a very difficult time getting things fixed. Ms3077 it's cool that your service department doesn't care. However on any major warranty claim a Mazda NA rep has to come out to validate it and if they saw your cobb anything, you better get your checkbook out.

this is really good to know, man...thanks for the added insight! :D

[///M Compact]

I don't remember anybody saying that "Hydro lock" was the reasoning behind stopping the sale of the MS CAI. However, hydro lock can, has, and will happen to people with a CAI. All it takes is driving thru a pretty decent size pot hole filed with water and BOOM there goes your motor. To each his own.

Since you are clearly an expert on intake warranty coverage and hydrolock, can you cite me to any MS3 owners on this board(or the other two, for that matter) who have trashed their motor by driving their CAI equipped car through a "decent sized pothole filled with water"?

[///M Compact]

BTW to anyone wondering, I am a service writer and as far as mazda NA is concerened if it doesn't have mazdaspeed on it you will have a very difficult time getting things fixed. Ms3077 it's cool that your service department doesn't care. However on any major warranty claim a Mazda NA rep has to come out to validate it and if they saw your cobb anything, you better get your checkbook out.

Yet another person on this thread who actually knows what he's talking about.
But I'm sure a few folks(who have trouble just spelling "Mazda") will tell you that you are dead wrong...

[MS3077]

Since you are clearly an expert on intake warranty coverage and hydrolock, can you cite me to any MS3 owners on this board(or the other two, for that matter) who have trashed their motor by driving their CAI equipped car through a "decent sized pothole filled with water"?


I never claimed to be a warranty / hydro lock expert. As far as people on the forum who have destroyed their motor via driving thru a large puddle of water, I don't keep track of that crap. If you don't believe me try it and see what happens, eventually you'll be forking over around 7k or whatever it cost for a 2.3L DISI motor.

Why don’t you post a thread: Who has are knows someone with a CAI that destroyed a motor via hydro lock. I don’t think you’ll be so happy with the results of that one buddy.

[MS3077]

BTW to anyone wondering, I am a service writer and as far as mazda NA is concerened if it doesn't have mazdaspeed on it you will have a very difficult time getting things fixed. Ms3077 it's cool that your service department doesn't care. However on any major warranty claim a Mazda NA rep has to come out to validate it and if they saw your cobb anything, you better get your checkbook out.

Only thing I'll be getting in that case are the keys to my rental car :)

I would have stock airbox back on in like 15min, not a problem. Anything else you got for me?

[MS3077]

Yet another person on this thread who actually knows what he's talking about.
But I'm sure a few folks(who have trouble just spelling "Mazda") will tell you that you are dead wrong...

They only "know what they're talking about" when you happen to agree with them.

[MS3077]

Why do I feel like I'm getting ambushed?

[Ferdball]

Why do I feel like I'm getting ambushed?

You're being a little hostile. Why don't you chill out a bit. We're all here for the same reason.

[///M Compact]

I never claimed to be a warranty / hydro lock expert. As far as people on the forum who have destroyed their motor via driving thru a large puddle of water, I don't keep track of that crap. If you don't believe me try it and see what happens, eventually you'll be forking over around 7k or whatever it cost for a 2.3L DISI motor.

Let's see... You don't claim to be an expert and you don't "keep track of that crap" yet you still tell everybody about it as if it were an undisputed fact.
Wow.
Thanks for clearing that up...

[///M Compact]

Why don’t you post a thread: Who has are knows someone with a CAI that destroyed a motor via hydro lock. I don’t think you’ll be so happy with the results of that one buddy.

Let me get this straight; you want me to prove YOUR assertion?
This is getting more surreal by the minute...

[MS3077]

Let me get this straight; you want me to prove YOUR assertion?
This is getting more surreal by the minute...

I've already made my point. I've stated facts, it's not my problem that you don't want to believe them. No more needs to be said as you are acting like a clown now. Have a good night!

[MS3077]

Let's see... You don't claim to be an expert and you don't "keep track of that crap" yet you still tell everybody about it as if it were an undisputed fact.
Wow.
Thanks for clearing that up...


I don't need to prove anything to you. I gave you advice; it is yours to do as you want with it. I'm sorry but if you think that a CAI is immune from hydro lock you are a fool sir. And yes driving thru deep puddles can cause this issue and this isn't something that I would feel comfortable with, if you are good luck!

[Betelgeuse]

BTW to anyone wondering, I am a service writer and as far as mazda NA is concerened if it doesn't have mazdaspeed on it you will have a very difficult time getting things fixed. Ms3077 it's cool that your service department doesn't care. However on any major warranty claim a Mazda NA rep has to come out to validate it and if they saw your cobb anything, you better get your checkbook out.

That's why I'll spend a whole 20-25 minutes and pull my cobb intake out and stick my stock airbox back in before going in for major warranty work.

Also just having a Mazdaspeed sticker isn't always enough. According to the warranty booklet, it has to be installed by an authorized dealer. If you have no proof of that, they can still deny coverage (or be difficult).

[MS3077]

That's why I'll spend a whole 20-25 minutes and pull my cobb intake out and stick my stock airbox back in before going in for major warranty work.

Also just having a Mazdaspeed sticker isn't always enough. According to the warranty booklet, it has to be installed by an authorized dealer. If you have no proof of that, they can still deny coverage (or be difficult).

+1

[orng1]

interesting.

[elieleb1303]

wow, everyone is so hostile lol
as far as the ms cai intake goes, it does NOT have to be installed by a dealer, nor do you need proof of it.

if u guys read the warranty, and someone already pointed this out, it is a green warranty item, which means as long as its approved by mazda (which the intake is), then its covered by warranty. it says nothing about having to be installed by a dealer. needing to be installed by the dealer is only for the other warranty levels, i forget the colors..

[MS3077]

wow, everyone is so hostile lol
as far as the ms cai intake goes, it does NOT have to be installed by a dealer, nor do you need proof of it.

if u guys read the warranty, and someone already pointed this out, it is a green warranty item, which means as long as its approved by mazda (which the intake is), then its covered by warranty. it says nothing about having to be installed by a dealer. needing to be installed by the dealer is only for the other warranty levels, i forget the colors..

-1 for bum scoop.

[mazpro]

wow, everyone is so hostile lol
as far as the ms cai intake goes, it does NOT have to be installed by a dealer, nor do you need proof of it.

if u guys read the warranty, and someone already pointed this out, it is a green warranty item, which means as long as its approved by mazda (which the intake is), then its covered by warranty. it says nothing about having to be installed by a dealer. needing to be installed by the dealer is only for the other warranty levels, i forget the colors..

awesome, that's what I wanted to hear. that means I can just buy it online and install it myself.

[Betelgeuse]

wow, everyone is so hostile lol
as far as the ms cai intake goes, it does NOT have to be installed by a dealer, nor do you need proof of it.

if u guys read the warranty, and someone already pointed this out, it is a green warranty item, which means as long as its approved by mazda (which the intake is), then its covered by warranty. it says nothing about having to be installed by a dealer. needing to be installed by the dealer is only for the other warranty levels, i forget the colors..


When I had mine installed about a year ago, I'm pretty sure it was a blue warranty item. Maybe they changed it or I was mistaken but hopefully someone with the CAI documentation can double check that. I sold mine a while ago.

In either case, coverage on parts and labor is only for the first 12k miles. After that it gets very vague as to what's covered. And I know hydro lock isn't covered AT ALL.

[///M Compact]

I don't need to prove anything to you. I gave you advice; it is yours to do as you want with it. I'm sorry but if you think that a CAI is immune from hydro lock you are a fool sir. And yes driving thru deep puddles can cause this issue and this isn't something that I would feel comfortable with, if you are good luck!

Well, thanks for all the "facts" and "advice". Your knowledge and experience with these issues is simply amazing. That said, I think I'm going to follow Dilbert's sage advice:

http://www.bumperart.com/ProductImages/2004012130_Display-35.gif

[tunersteve]

Blue Warranty MAZDASPEED "Blue" Performance Accessories must be installed by a MAZDASPEED Dealer on a US specification vehicle and be specifically approved by Mazda for the particular application. These parts are covered under the Mazda Replacement Parts and Accessories Limited Warranty and are warranted for the first 12 months/12,000 miles from the date of installation or the duration of the New Vehicle Limited Warranty, whichever is longer. Should the parts be purchased but not installed by a MAZDASPEED Dealer, they will be covered for the first 12-months/12,000 miles from the date of purchase, excluding labor charges. Parts or accessories replaced/installed under warranty, are covered for the time remaining in the New Vehicle Limited Warranty.

Green Warranty MAZDASPEED "Green" Performance Accessories must be specifically approved by Mazda for their particular application. These parts are warranted for the first 12-months/12,000 miles from the date of purchase, excluding labor.

Orange Warranty MAZDASPEED "Orange" Performance Accessories are sold "as is" without any warranty of any kind. All implied warranties, including all warranties of merchantability of fitness for a particular purpose, are excluded. Purchaser acknowledges that no representations have been made regarding these parts, including but not limited to any representations as to their quality of performance, and purchaser shall be responsible for and bear all costs of repair of replacement due to any defect in or failure of these parts or any damage to other components. Purchaser acknowledges that vehicles equipped with MAZDASPEED "Orange" Performance Accessories shall not be operated on public highways. MAZDASPEED "Orange" Performance Accessories are intended solely for the use on vehicles participating in race/off-road competition events. Purchaser acknowledges that all Mazda vehicle/parts/accessory warranties are voided if the vehicle is used in a competitive event. Purchaser also acknowledges that there will be no warranty coverage for any part or accessory that fails as a result of the installation of a MAZDASPEED "Orange" performance part. Purchaser accepts all responsibility for all vehicle modifications and all potential risks. MAZDASPEED "Orange" Performance Accessories have been designed and are intended for race/offroad applications only. Federal and many state laws prohibit the removal, modification of, or rendering inoperative any part or vehicle system affecting emissions or safety.
What Is Not Covered
Damage or corrosion due to accidents, misuse, or alterations.
Damage or surface corrosion from the environment such as acid rain, airborne fallout (chemicals, tree sap), stones, salt road hazards, hail, wind storm, lightning, floods and other natural disaster.
Normal wear, tear or deterioration such as discoloration, fading, deformation, blurring, etc.
Replacement parts or accessories installed on any Mazda Vehicle registered or normally operated outside of the United States, Canada, Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam, Saipan or American Samoa.
Replacement parts, or accessories installed on a Mazda Vehicle in which the odometer has been altered, or on which the actual mileage cannot be readily determined.
Replacement parts or accessories used in applications for which they are not designed.
Replacement parts or accessories installed improperly by dealers, Importer/Distributor other than Mazda.
Any replacement part or accessory without proof of purchase or replacement date.
Non-Mazda replacement parts or accessories which Mazda Dealers may sell or install on your Mazda Vehicle.
If the vehicle has been classified a total loss and/or sold for salvage purposes or branded for any other reasons.
Removal of the vehicle from the warranty covered market for which it was produced.

[eddelgado]

So after several pages of arguments and multiple sequential posts with no useful info we can assume that there has yet to be any official info from MAZDA about the CAI and why they have placed it on hold?

Ed

[elieleb1303]

So after several pages of arguments and multiple sequential posts with no useful info we can assume that there has yet to be any official info from MAZDA about the CAI and why they have placed it on hold?

Ed


correct. pretty much one guy arguing with everyone and +1-ing himself. but then again, if he can +1 himself, he must be pretty godly..

[MS3077]

Well, thanks for all the "facts" and "advice". Your knowledge and experience with these issues is simply amazing. That said, I think I'm going to follow Dilbert's sage advice:

http://www.bumperart.com/ProductImages/2004012130_Display-35.gif

Do you think I care to prove anything to you???

I've given you the facts if you don't want to believe them that is entirely up to you.

It's funny, you're so pathetic that you have to resort to "insulting" me.

[slo03.5msp]

As soon as any information in regard to the mazdaspeed cai is released I will be sure to update. Honestly do you guys really think we don't know when cars have been altered and returned to stock form? You really need to give us more credit. We are not that dumb!

[tunersteve]

Alright, this is starting to get a little out of hand. Clean it up or the mods are gonna lock it down. No reason for personal attacks (MS3077, M Compact)

This thread needs to get back to the facts: The CAI is still on hold, no one knows when they'll re-issue it, what the new changes are gonna be, and exactly why it was pulled in the first place. We've got info from some reliable sources, but nothing was officially published by Mazda.

[elieleb1303]

off topic, but tunersteve did u get ur tint done yet?

[///M Compact]

No problem; I'm heading over to the tool-free forum...

[eddelgado]

So what is this latest info from sources. As far as I have been able to determine the two options are:

a - The intake is not CARB approved.

b - The intake has a larger diameter in the MAF area that leads to a leaner mixture which can throw a code. If this is thought to be the case there is an expectation that a new flash will be made available.

So which is it or is there something else new?

Ed

[///M Compact]

b- I've heard that a CAI specific reflash is definitely in the works...

[tunersteve]

No problem; I'm heading over to the tool-free forum...

Were you referring to me?

[tunersteve]

b- I've heard that a CAI specific reflash is definitely in the works...

Yes, I've also heard more prominently that B is the correct reason for the stop sale, and that they were working on a solution, most likely a reflash after install to help with the CEL problems.

[///M Compact]

Were you referring to me?


No, it's obvious that you possess opposable thumbs...

[tunersteve]

No, it's obvious that you possess opposable thumbs...

Haha, thanks, I'll consider that a compliment then...

[///M Compact]

I'm tired of waiting, I'm putting my MS CAI on this weekend if I can find the time...

[PeterC]

Any chance Mazda releases an SRI instead of a CAI? That would be fantastic. I would love to have that under factory warranty.

[GhostMercury]

This would be a good idea for mazda and hopefully a new design to fix the cel problems. Though a reflash would work just fine. As long as it doesn't decrease the amount of power made from the CAI.

[MS3077]

Where is the proof that it makes anymore power than a SRI?

[tunersteve]

Where is your proof that it makes anymore power than a SRI?

Since it's located in the lower portion of the inner fender, it pulls in colder air than it would if it were in the engine bay itself. The lower the intake air temperature, the better, increasing horsepower. Same principle that intercoolers work by. Lower initial air temps improve the efficiency of the turbo and motor itself.

[hilmar2k]

Since it's located in the lower portion of the inner fender, it pulls in colder air than it would if it were in the engine bay itself. The lower the intake air temperature, the better, increasing horsepower. Same principle that intercoolers work by. Lower initial air temps improve the efficiency of the turbo and motor itself.

That is all absolutely true......if you are sitting at a red light. ;)

[MS3077]

CAI's are way over-rated in a turboed car.

[GhostMercury]

!!!!!!!Who cares which is better. Honestly people look at the title of this thread, its not about your dam cobb SRI, Its about information on the stop sale issued for the Mazdaspeed Cold Air Intake. Stop fighting like little girls, and posting information about CAI's that are not Mazdaspeed. Lets get information on the stop sale guys!!!!!!!!!

[camrycev6]

CAI's are way over-rated in a turboed car.

Sorry I know this is still off topic, but I just have to say this statement is absolutely incorrect.

For NA vehicles, a CAI provides minimal increases because the overall pressure / density is much lower than a FI vehicle. For FI vehicles, since you are operating at much higher pressures, the higher density achieved by colder air has an exponential increase in performance. It really is simple physics. Check out the dynos for your proof. My numbers are in my sig.

Now that we have dispelled that rumor... back on topic. I will be looking forward to reading any new data on the MS CAI stop-sale.

[Betelgeuse]

Since it's located in the lower portion of the inner fender, it pulls in colder air than it would if it were in the engine bay itself. The lower the intake air temperature, the better, increasing horsepower. Same principle that intercoolers work by. Lower initial air temps improve the efficiency of the turbo and motor itself.

In theory yes, but from experience no (I had both and ran them back to back on the same day). Besides, someone did a dyno recently and differences were so minute as to not really matter although, imo, the SRI actually pulled better in the lower gears.

[MS3077]

Sorry I know this is still off topic, but I just have to say this statement is absolutely incorrect.

For NA vehicles, a CAI provides minimal increases because the overall pressure / density is much lower than a FI vehicle. For FI vehicles, since you are operating at much higher pressures, the higher density achieved by colder air has an exponential increase in performance. It really is simple physics. Check out the dynos for your proof. My numbers are in my sig.

Now that we have dispelled that rumor... back on topic. I will be looking forward to reading any new data on the MS CAI stop-sale.

I'm talking about CAI's vs SRI's in turboed cars.

[mazpro]

!!!!!!!Who cares which is better. Honestly people look at the title of this thread, its not about your dam cobb SRI, Its about information on the stop sale issued for the Mazdaspeed Cold Air Intake. Stop fighting like little girls, and posting information about CAI's that are not Mazdaspeed. Lets get information on the stop sale guys!!!!!!!!!

(yes) keep in on topic guys.

[funkyman]

CAI's are way over-rated in a turboed car.

Yes i could have told you guys not get a MSP CAI as opposed to lets say INJEN or COBB ,just because of the fear of waranty issues or for the fact that it is a Mazdapart,but it is still designed and made by an OEM company like AEM.You are overpaying for the same or possibly performance wise a less inferior part.Anyway good luck folks.

[Ferdball]

Yes i could have told you guys not get a MSP CAI as opposed to lets say INJEN or COBB ,just because of the fear of waranty issues or for the fact that it is a Mazdapart,but it is still designed and made by an OEM company like AEM.You are overpaying for the same or possibly performance wise a less inferior part.Anyway good luck folks.

Did you have any issues getting your TSB work done?

[funkyman]

Tsb?

[Ferdball]

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123703295

[GhostMercury]

that has nothing to do with the cai

[Ferdball]

that has nothing to do with the cai

Some dealers are reluctant to do the TSB service unless you can prove that you meet the symptoms. They will find any reason not to do it. Depending on the dealer, they will deny service if you have a non-Mazdaspeed intake.

[mysleeper6]

I told my service guy that i was planning on putting an AEM intake on my MS6. As clueless as he was about the TSB, he did at least know that the MS intake was made by AEM and commented "so you'll be ok warranty-wise".

[ms3kar]

Any updates or time frame on when the MS CAI might be available again?

[tunersteve]

Any updates or time frame on when the MS CAI might be available again?

Looks like its extinct. Here's the latest:
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3839115#post3839115

[MS3077]

They should've just made it a SRI from the beginning and there would have been no issues.

[camrycev6]

I am not having any issues with mine.

[MS3077]

Yet.

[camrycev6]

Ok... I have almost 15,000 miles. And it has been on since 600 miles. I suppose if I have an issue later I would understand if it is after 20,000 miles.

[Ferdball]

Mine runs rich.

[camrycev6]

So does mine, but does that really hurt anything other than our fuel economy?

[Ferdball]

Other than a black tailpipe, no. It's actually safer to run rich.

[camrycev6]

Yeah...that is a minor inconvenience.

[Supermex]

Other than a black tailpipe, no. It's actually safer to run rich.

Running rich for long periods of time will foul up your spark plugs quicker and you will lose a lot of peformance.
With a CAI is good to go with a colder plug NGK's are good and cost effective and will burn the fuel fuller providing better performance and will take care of the black stein on the tail pipe.

I made a contraption (spell check) once with a CAI
I simply removed (cut) section of pipe on the middle the CAI about 6" or so and reconected them with clamps.
During the dry season I runned full CAI.
During the raining season or when I was cut in a flash storm like many here in Florida I stoped under a bridge or gas station and removed the section of tail pipe and placed a filter in it's place. automatic SRI.
It worked fine for a long time till I sold the car.

[ericrapp]

That is pretty smart stuff right there,

[dkswim]

i havnt had any problems with my CAI and i dont envision having any problems with it. roughly 14000 miles in car.

on that note dose anyone want to buy a MSCAI used?

[MS3077]

i havnt had any problems with my CAI and i dont envision having any problems with it. roughly 14000 miles in car.

on that note dose anyone want to buy a MSCAI used?

LMFAO! You are a real peice of work... :)

[AutoXRacer]

I've had my MSCAI for over 15,000 miles now on my 2008 with no issues what so ever...

Now, whats this I hear about colder plugs burning more fuel, etc...?
Where can I get more info on this...? Hmmm....(scratch)

[Gmac03]

colder plugs don't burn more fuel, they are colder for a reason. The higher the number on the plug, the colder the plug.

In my high hp turbo car I run a 7series plug.

Most stock cars, na, run a 5, in a turbo car I would recommend a 6.

I highly doubt you will see any change in fuel economy from changing the heat level on the plug. If it is fouled than thats one thing.

But typically you want a colder plug for high heat turbo cars, so you don't get predet, or even worse just burn one of the plugs right off, then you have those pieces of metal rumblin around with your piston and valves. not good.

Gmac

[john blutarski]

+1 colder plugs = less chance of det

[camrycev6]

You shouldn't be worried about pre-detonation at all as long as you are running 91 octane or better. If my car pre-detonated at 91 or better I would have Mazda running around to make me a happy man. There is NO reason the car should pre-detonate under stock or approved Mazda upgrade conditions.

[ericrapp]

More boost and or advanced timing, the colder plugs. would then help, IMo. The Mazda tune, she is a funny thing. every one should pull their plugs, do the free mod while in there and see if you are too hot or cold or rich or lean. You young fella's should know, if you can not wide band the o2. it's all you have to see the air fuel burn result. Again, my North East Coast Old guy Sticky tires opinion

[elieleb1303]

More boost and or advanced timing, the colder plugs. would then help, IMo. The Mazda tune, she is a funny thing. every one should pull their plugs, do the free mod while in there and see if you are too hot or cold or rich or lean. You young fella's should know, if you can not wide band the o2. it's all you have to see the air fuel burn result. Again, my North East Coast Old guy Sticky tires opinion

uhhh.... (dunno)

[ericrapp]

uhhh.... (dunno)

If you do not use a wide band sensor as you modify a car, how can you be sure you are not running into a lean condition under load or at all. Some people can tell you from experience that not having not enough fuel or too lean will do bad things to the internals of a motor. My point should have been that if you do not wide band your car, to be sure it is running safely, you should 'read' your spark plugs. That is what us old folks used to do. To check the spark and fuel results of modifications to the engine. And yes rich is safer, but the car is not running to its potential. Sorry for mix up elie

[Ferdball]

I'm basing my statements on my dyno runs. They all show that it is too rich beyond 4000 RPM's during a WOT run.

[elieleb1303]

If you do not use a wide band sensor as you modify a car, how can you be sure you are not running into a lean condition under load or at all. Some people can tell you from experience that not having not enough fuel or too lean will do bad things to the internals of a motor. My point should have been that if you do not wide band your car, to be sure it is running safely, you should 'read' your spark plugs. That is what us old folks used to do. To check the spark and fuel results of modifications to the engine. And yes rich is safer, but the car is not running to its potential. Sorry for mix up elie


no worries, thanks for the clarification! (thumb)

[Dr.Sound]

CAIs are absolutely useless on turboed cars.
all it does is mess with your MAF and sends false readings to the ECU.
this is the fact, and is most likely why mazda doesnt want to be behind a part like that......

....now if u run speed density, or MAP then that's another story. unfortunately MS3s dont.

CAI is a waste of money IMHO. get a good drop in filter and it will give you better results without interfering with MAF readings.

and to those who will puke at me with "dyno this, dyno that"
show me 40-50 back to back runs on a dyne, then we'll talk. consistency is what u want in a street car, NOT being able to have a good run once a week.

[AutoXRacer]

CAIs are absolutely useless on turboed cars.
all it does is mess with your MAF and sends false readings to the ECU.
this is the fact, and is most likely why mazda doesnt want to be behind a part like that......

....now if u run speed density, or MAP then that's another story. unfortunately MS3s dont.

CAI is a waste of money IMHO. get a good drop in filter and it will give you better results without interfering with MAF readings.

and to those who will puke at me with "dyno this, dyno that"
show me 40-50 back to back runs on a dyne, then we'll talk. consistency is what u want in a street car, NOT being able to have a good run once a week.

(stfu)
I wouldn't make statements like this until you first hand know what you are talking about...

Mazda themselves claim a 30HP increase from their CAI and CBE...gains mostly coming from the intake. Cobb, BEGi, CP-E, AEM, Injen, etc all have shown gains...consistent gains... I was one at first was skeptic about intake gain claims for this car...until you first hand experience the difference you won't believe it... Its a known fact that the MS3 stock intake is the MOST restrictive intake out there...

Fact, upgrading your intake on a MS3 will yield you HP; and not some measly 5HP either!!!! Enough horsepower the cause traction issues...

You're about to get piled on... (wedge)

(lol2)

[Pirana]

oh yeah!! Turbo Magazine tackle this same issue and the result was that no matter if you own a turbo or n/a car, lowering the air intake temp will yield more power. Period.

[dkswim]

not to mention the fact we stay on boil another 500-1000 rpm longer with CAI/SRI

[dparm1984]

I had my car at the dealer today for the fuel pump TSB, and the service manager looked up the intake recall...said it only applies to the ones made in the last 4-5 months. Apparently the "older" ones don't have the same problem, but I wasn't aware that there's been any revision to it?

He said I can keep it and as long as there's no CEL it's fine. Even if they found it was causing a CEL it would be covered by Mazda.

So I guess I'm in the clear. :-)

[whitey4311]

I had my car at the dealer today for the fuel pump TSB, and the service manager looked up the intake recall...said it only applies to the ones made in the last 4-5 months. Apparently the "older" ones don't have the same problem, but I wasn't aware that there's been any revision to it?

He said I can keep it and as long as there's no CEL it's fine. Even if they found it was causing a CEL it would be covered by Mazda.

So I guess I'm in the clear. :-)

Good info, thanks.

Seems if all that is true then I to am in the clear. My CAI is about 1 year old and has never given me a problem.

[MS3077]

The techs at the dealerships normally don't know dick about dick from what I've read.

[ericrapp]

oh yeah!! Turbo Magazine tackle this same issue and the result was that no matter if you own a turbo or n/a car, lowering the air intake temp will yield more power. Period.
There are arguments as to the difference in intakes; SRI, CAI, affecting the temps. But all of these flow more volume than the stock. And Turbos love lots of air and no resistance on the backside. All motor a bit different. And yes cooler air is a good thing in a performance vehicle.

[Andrade08]

One thing to remember with SRI or CAI is the intercooler. On a 65* day the coldest your intake temps will be is................65*. Doesn't matter what the temp is going into the turbo...no matter if it's 75* because of a CAI or 100* with an SRI......... it will be 65* after the intercooler.
MS CAI on this car is for keeping the warrenty and good looks.
I have both the Cobb SRI and the MS CAI. I run the MS CAI because for some odd reason I get better MPG with it?????

[dkswim]

i have bothe and im sticking with the cobb. i havnt had problems with either.
testing has showed that while car is in motion the diffrence in air temps of the cai vs the sri are negligable. i didnt belive it untill i used my dashhawk and noticed no diffrence. when your sitting at a light the sri heats up faster but the cai heats up as well. i just switched over to the cobb sri (cobb AP) and the sound is about the same. i was more at ease when we had a big rain this week driving around then i was with my cai. granted the chances of hydrolock are low with a CAI its still higher then a SRI.

[MS3077]

i have bothe and im sticking with the cobb. i havnt had problems with either.
testing has showed that while car is in motion the diffrence in air temps of the cai vs the sri are negligable. i didnt belive it untill i used my dashhawk and noticed no diffrence. when your sitting at a light the sri heats up faster but the cai heats up as well. i just switched over to the cobb sri (cobb AP) and the sound is about the same. i was more at ease when we had a big rain this week driving around then i was with my cai. granted the chances of hydrolock are low with a CAI its still higher then a SRI.

+1

[Street Sleeper]

hey, whats the latest on this? is there more info on another thread?

so, i just found out about the recall today (i've only had my car 2 weeks). i was going to get the MS cai. both dealerships here in austin wont sell them. they told me it was because water drips down the tube into the filter, getting water in the car. i asked him about the sock cover, but he said they dont work fully. so they are going to redesign or something. might be part, but maybe not the whole story. also issue with throwing codes.

i went to mazdausa.com and they price it at $305. the dealership was asking $389 or something crazy like that. he did say they would match the price though!

So, im itchin for a cai bad. but i want to keep my warranty, and now have to rethink which cai i want to get...will a 3rd party parts site still ship it if they have it in stock? im shying away from the ms cai now with these issues- shall i go with cobb or another brand and just put it on?

i can always take it off and put stock back on if i go to the dealership for repairs or something so they dont see the aftermarket cai. anyone else do this??

[camrycev6]

CAIs are absolutely useless on turboed cars.
all it does is mess with your MAF and sends false readings to the ECU.
this is the fact, and is most likely why mazda doesnt want to be behind a part like that......

....now if u run speed density, or MAP then that's another story. unfortunately MS3s dont.

CAI is a waste of money IMHO. get a good drop in filter and it will give you better results without interfering with MAF readings.

and to those who will puke at me with "dyno this, dyno that"
show me 40-50 back to back runs on a dyne, then we'll talk. consistency is what u want in a street car, NOT being able to have a good run once a week.


Well several people have already said it, but I was add my 2 cents. You are completely incorrect here. In fact, CAI / SRI adds more power to a FAI vehicle than a naturally aspirated one.