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amascio
03-10-2008, 06:25 PM
I have had it with this first to second gear grinding that my Speed has, and I think I am not alone.

After driving about 15 miles in cold weather the gear lube finally warms up (and thins out) enough to drive the car without worrying too much about grinding the gears.

It took me awhile to get up the nerve to go totally out of spec with the gear oil (70/80 MTL vs 75/90 MT 90) but after getting better shifting with a 50/50 mix of MTL and MT90 I deciided to give the straight MTL a shot.

I just changed out the MTL in my 330ci and it had NO wear metal in it at all at 30k service interval. I drained it into a white pan and in bright sunlight I couldn't see the first bit of filings, chunks or otherwise. It'd take a Blackstone oil analsys to find the wear metals, if there are any.

Now, I hammer the Bimmer way worse than I do my speed so based on how well the MTL did in the BMW, I put the MTL in the speed.

Right off the bat, the shifting is much better - smoother engagements with little resistance to going into gear. Now, if I try to make it grind the 1--2 shift, I can but it takes something like a slow, low RPM roll out in first followed by a hard tug into second to do it - with these trannies there's no getting away from that. Other than that it's really smoother shifting.

So I'm testing the MTL theory and I'll get back as I encounter some cold weather and the miles pile up. I'll be checking for rattle or other possible bad side effects.

FWIW the 50/50 mix that came out was clean as could be - no visible debris and no apparent heat stress. The saga continues .....

fostersafb
03-05-2009, 07:50 PM
Any updates on the MTL? I recently switched over to MT90 and now the gearbox actually feels worse than with the factory fill. The synchros seem sluggish and during normal driving at 60+ degrees I grind often.

///M Compact
03-05-2009, 09:24 PM
You might want to try Ford Full Synthetic Manual Transmission Fluid (http://www.fcsdchemicalsandlubricants.com/supplier/product.asp?product=Full%20Synthetic%20Manual%20Tr ansmission%20Fluid&category=Transmission%20Fluid). At $19/quart it's not cheap but it is a GL-4 75W-90 lubricant and it improved the hot and cold shift quality of my MS3's transaxle to a dramatic degree.

fostersafb
03-05-2009, 09:43 PM
You might want to try Ford Full Synthetic Manual Transmission Fluid (http://www.fcsdchemicalsandlubricants.com/supplier/product.asp?product=Full%20Synthetic%20Manual%20Tr ansmission%20Fluid&category=Transmission%20Fluid). At $19/quart it's not cheap but it is a GL-4 75W-90 lubricant and it improved the hot and cold shift quality of my MS3's transaxle to a dramatic degree.

Where can this be ordered from? Ford Dealership?

///M Compact
03-06-2009, 12:06 AM
Where can this be ordered from? Ford Dealership?

Most Ford dealers have it in stock.

ElGaspo
03-06-2009, 11:09 AM
It took me awhile to get up the nerve to go totally out of spec with the gear oil (70/80 MTL vs 75/90 MT 90) but after getting better shifting with a 50/50 mix of MTL and MT90 I deciided to give the straight MTL a shot.


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Right off the bat, the shifting is much better - smoother engagements with little resistance to going into gear. Now, if I try to make it grind the 1--2 shift, I can but it takes something like a slow, low RPM roll out in first followed by a hard tug into second to do it - with these trannies there's no getting away from that. Other than that it's really smoother shifting.



VEEEEEERY interesting...anyone else tried this?

LBV
03-06-2009, 02:06 PM
You might want to try Ford Full Synthetic Manual Transmission Fluid (http://www.fcsdchemicalsandlubricants.com/supplier/product.asp?product=Full%20Synthetic%20Manual%20Tr ansmission%20Fluid&category=Transmission%20Fluid). At $19/quart it's not cheap but it is a GL-4 75W-90 lubricant and it improved the hot and cold shift quality of my MS3's transaxle to a dramatic degree.

Thx for the opinion ... I was gonna give this a go in the spring anyway but good to hear someone else's opinion already.