08 Chevy Cobalt SS Turbo Coupe & Sedan

[TinmanMS6]

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With the cancellation of the Chevy Cobalt SS Supercharged (above) for 2008 and the impending arrival of the turbocharged HHR SS, speculation was rampant that GM planned to take that 2.0L turbocharged, direct-injected Ecotec and drop it in the Cobalt's engine bay. As has been shown in the past, automakers can try to keep things under wraps, but their fans find ways of digging up info, especially when that info is squirreled away on the web, and GM Inside News has organized everything neatly for us.

First up at cobaltss.net is a copy of the SAE Power Certification for a 2008.5 Chevy Cobalt powered by GM's L850 LNF engine. This is the same motor used in the Saturn Sky Red Line, Pontiac Solstice GXP, and the aforementioned Chevy HHR SS. Also via cobaltss.net, we get a link to an official GM Planned Emission Certification doc that also lists a Cobalt with the 2.0L LNF engine (the planned certification is BIN5/LEV2, by the way). So, that's it. The writing on the wall says that a Turbo Cobalt is coming.
[Source: GM Inside News, CobaltSS.net]

[shane02pro5]

Now if they just re-engineer everything else they'll be good-to-go!

[mikeyb]

That does not surprise me at all. The Opel/Vauxhall Astra OPC/VXR and Saab 9-3 uses this motor as well. So it was only time for Chevy to drop it into a Cobalt.

[CantCMe]

Now if they just re-engineer everything else they'll be good-to-go!

+1...you beat me to it.

[TinmanMS6]

The Astra Redline should be the car that this wishes it was.

[altspace]

...and still a "Cavalier" to me.

[mikeyb]

...and still a "Cavalier" to me.

Come of Josh, Its so much better then the old Crapalier.......

[TinmanMS6]

I used to get drunk and find Cavaliers to pee on. True story.

[altspace]

ok....but it's still a Chevy....hehe.

For those who know I am in no way car biased. Hell I've owned them all.

[TinmanMS6]

Heck, I've got two Chevys in my driveway, and I still hate them!

They're starting to turn things around, but, unfortunately, the Cobalt was designed well before the turn-around began.

[jred321]

sadly there's still a cobalt badge on the trunk

[Falango]

Come of Josh, Its so much better then the old Crapalier.......

Also known as the Cavaqueer.

[Rotary_Powered]

I don't know guys, It actually handles really well, has good grip, and even the s/c was fairly fast. Granted not MS3 acceleration but damn close, this next one should be as quick or quicker. I'd take one over an Si, or WRX, I'm a fan of coupes (not to say I don't love the MS3)

[mikeyb]

Also known as the Cavaqueer.

Hey watch it!!!

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Cobalt SS S/C 1:34.90 @ willow springs
Mazdaspeed 3 1:33.65 sec @ willow springs (edmunds for both comparison test)

In terms of speed they're pretty damn close, though the MS3 is a nicer package :)

[jred321]

there's no doubt performance wise it'll be a good car just like the SS/SC is. it's the package that wraps around that performance that is the problem

[Brian MP5T]

The supercharger was a great idea if the car was left stock. But the SS guys found a ceiling of 265 WHP, just like the MSP was limited to around 300 even with massive upgrades.

Now, with turbo, it should be much better.

[TinmanMS6]

Agreed. It might be fast, but if I had to drive to work in a Cobalt every day I'd drive it off a bridge.

[Alejo_NIN]

that car is as ugly as being kicked in the knee on a -15 degree morning....


ugh, i'll take an SI over that car any day!!!

heck, i'll even take a MS3...lol

[Hughes412]

The only thing that makes this car worse then the MS3 or the SI is that god awful wing they put on the back. That gave it the ricer look and automatically every one here hated it. That and it's not a mazda lol. This site is WELL known for thinking mazda is king (and I guess it should, after all it is a MAZDA forum). But truth be known, mazda is no better built or reliable as chevy or ford or dodge. Mazda has had it's share of hickups. The body style of the cobalt is alittle plain but it's not ugly. Chevy needs to take some tips form their partners overseas. As for speed, well the MS3 might not be the fastest anymore.

[mikeyb]

Have any of you driven a Cobalt SS S/C?

[jred321]

i haven't, nor do i have any desire to. performance-wise i'm sure it's great but the car does not interest me at all, not even enough for a trip to a dealer to look at it. what's that saying about polishing a turd? i had to drive a rental normal cobalt for a few days and that thing was a giant turd so driving the polished version doesn't interest me

[BlackCherry06]

The car mags pretty much slaughtered the SS SC where fit / finish / quality were concerned. They only praise they had for it was the engine. Putting a stellar engine in a shitwagon doesn't make for a desirable product. Mazda may not be on top of the heap either, but sitting a MS3 next to a Cobalt SS makes for an easy choice if you're interested in a great overall package. Inserting the DI turbo engine will help, but it's more icing...not better cake.

[Foolish]

When I heard they were turbo-ing the Me-too cruiser (HHR) after hearing they were getting rid of the SS/SC Cobalt, I thought that everyone at GM had completely lost their minds.
In a way, it's nice to see this. It means the cranial-rectal inversion problem at GM is not quite as bad as I thought.

[BlackCherry06]

It boggles my mind that there is even a market for a turbocharged HHR.

[MP3Performance]

Have any of you driven a Cobalt SS S/C?

I test drove one at HIN in chicago. There was an autocross set up and everyone could test them out. I didn't like it at all. The inside finish was mehhh, and the seat was unsuportive. The clutch had no feel (but that might have be due to other people beating on it) and the shifter felt like plastic. It did have a decent kick, but nothing special.

I remember my freind racing a ion with his RSX-S and it only got him off the line, but then the rsx pulled on the ion every gear after.

[TinmanMS6]

It boggles my mind that there is even a market for a turbocharged HHR.

You know, if it weren't so ugly, and the interior so crappy, I'd consider one. I happen to be at a point, though, where I need a wagon-type thing with some utility, but still want something fun to drive. I'll probably go to a dealership and test it out, but I'm not expecting much from it.

[jred321]

You know, if it weren't so ugly, and the interior so crappy, I'd consider one. I happen to be at a point, though, where I need a wagon-type thing with some utility, but still want something fun to drive. I'll probably go to a dealership and test it out, but I'm not expecting much from it.
*cough* forester xt *cough*

[mikeyb]

My cousin has a 06 SS S/C that is far from stock. He even swapped out the seats with Recaros. It does handle alot better then the standard SS S/C with GM performance suspension and Hotckis swaybars.

But the interior is very lacking in the fit and finish.

[mikeyb]

*cough* forester xt *cough*

Used 05 Legacy GT Limited instead.

[mikeyb]

Chevy fans have been speculating that, with the supercharged Cobalt SS now extinct, a new range-topper will soon employ the HHR SS's 260-hp turbo four. That's the same powerplant also found in the Pontiac Solstice GXP, Saturn Sky Red Line, and hopefully, a future Saturn Astra Red Line. The rumors have been confirmed, as an SAE dyno test chart has been leaked into our forums. We expect the new model to debut at the Detroit show in January. Click above to see the full chart and its lenthy torque plateau.




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It goes around the ring in 8:22.85


Officially Official: 2008 Chevy Cobalt SS Turbo with 260 HP bows at SEMA

Posted Oct 28th 2007 12:01AM by Alex Nunez
Filed under: SEMA, Coupes, Sports/GTs, Chevrolet, GM

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After biting our tongues for the last few days while (accurate) speculation surrounding the successor to the Chevy Cobalt SS Supercharged bounced around the web, we're finally able to come clean. This is the turbocharged 2008 Chevy Cobalt SS, and it's being introduced to the world at SEMA this week. Chevy went to great lengths to ensure that the SS badge means more than what it had become in recent years.

Coming in at 260 HP / 260 lb-ft, the SS/TC gains a full 55 horses over the now-defunct SS/SC. Power, of course, is sourced from the same 2.0L direct-injected, turbocharged, intercooled sledgehammer found under the bonnets of the Pontiac Solstice GXP, Saturn Sky Red Line, and forthcoming Chevy HHR SS. The GM Performance Division was tasked with making sure the improved Cobalt SS is well-sorted, and John Heinricy and company dialed in the FE5 sport suspension on the undulating twists and turns of the Nürburgring Nordschleife. The result, says GM, is a track-capable suspension that's still comfortable on the street, and which helps mitigate FWD performance foibles like torque steer.

Follow the jump for more, plus all the official GM press materials.

[Source: GM]

Gallery: 2008 Chevy Cobalt SS
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The standard transmission is the GM Powertrain Sweden F35 short-throw 5-speed manual with a "no-lift shift" feature. This, combined with the punchy turbo four, helps propel the Cobalt SS Turbocharged from 0 to 60 in a scant 5.7 seconds. In fact, GM set a Nürburgring class record for FWD sport compacts with the turbo Cobalt, lapping the Green Hell in 8:22.85. Better braking accompanies the added power with 4-piston fixed-caliper Brembos in front and vented discs with single-piston calipers in the rear. A driver-selectable competition mode with launch control can be enabled from the cockpit. Beyond that, the traction control system can be completely disabled.

Appearance-wise, the Cobalt SS Turbocharged sports a unique front fascia, model-specific rocker panels, forged 18" alloys, a polished exhaust outlet, and a choice of rear wings (low or high). Inside, a boost gauge peeks at the driver from the A-pillar while SS-exclusive sport seats and interior trim dress up the cabin. The Chevy Cobalt SS Turbocharged goes on sale in Q2 of 2008, and if the coupe doesn't strike your fancy, no worries: a sedan version will follow a couple of months later. Honda, Mazda and all the rest are now on notice. There's a new player at the table, and that SS medallion he's rocking is no longer costume jewelery.


PRESS RELEASES:
2008 CHEVROLET COBALT SS FAST FACTS

* Engineered and developed by GM Performance Division
* 2.0L Ecotec turbocharged and intercooled engine with 260 horsepower (194 kW)
* GM Powertrain Sweden five-speed transmission with short-throw shifter
* Nürburgring-tuned FE5 Sport suspension delivers 0.9 g grip
* Brembo fixed-caliper front discs and vented rear disc brakes
* SS-specific appearance with unique fascias and rear spoiler – including available high wing
* 18-inch high-polished forged aluminum wheels and Y-rated performance tires
* SS-specific interior with new sport seats, A-pillar boost gauge and more
* On sale: second quarter of 2008

TURBOCHARGED CHEVROLET COBALT SS GIVES A BOOST OF FUN TO THE COMPACT SEGMENT

LAS VEGAS – Celebrating the performance community that comprises SEMA, Chevrolet used the annual convention of all things high-performance to announce the 2008 Cobalt SS coupe. True to its legendary moniker, the Cobalt SS delivers a balance of track-proven performance capability, driving refinement and premium features – along with an undeniably fun and youthful character.

Developed by GM Performance Division (GMPD) and powered by a 260-horsepower (194 kW) turbocharged and intercooled 2.0L Ecotec engine, the Cobalt SS delivers 55 horses (41 kW) more than the previous Cobalt SS Supercharged, and its driving experience was validated on racetracks throughout North America and Europe, including Germany's legendary Nürburgring circuit.

"The Cobalt SS is the very essence of Chevrolet's fun spirit and serious performance," said Ed Peper, Chevrolet general manager. "The horsepower will put a permanent smile on your face and you'll find yourself wanting to turn around and zip through your favorite stretch of twisty roads again."

The Cobalt SS coupe arrives in dealerships in the second quarter of 2008. A Cobalt SS sedan, with all of the same high-performance features of the coupe, follows a couple of months later.

Maximum performance – on the street or track

The Cobalt SS was developed by GM Performance Division (GMPD), with a team of engineers and designers dedicated to crafting high-performance vehicles. It features powertrain and chassis enhancements that are similar to the new HHR SS, but with larger Brembo brakes, a slightly "taller" final-drive ratio and other variances that emphasize the Cobalt SS's pure performance ethic, as well as maximize its competitiveness on the track.

Engineered to offer more than merely a turbocharged rush of power, an all-new FE5 Sport suspension was developed and includes specific stabilizer bars, spring rates and damper tuning – all designed to complement the high-output turbocharged powertrain and mitigate afflictions such as torque steer. Driver-selectable modes help maximize performance whether on the street or track. The unique "no-lift shift" feature enables manual-transmission-equipped models to achieve the best acceleration time via an algorithm in the engine controller.

Ensuring the car stops as confidently as it accelerates and corners are four-wheel disc brakes with standard ABS. The front brakes are from Brembo and have a performance-oriented fixed-caliper design, which resist fade better than floating caliper designs; the rear discs are vented for better heat dissipation. Along with these high-performance attributes, the Cobalt SS comes standard with a host of safety features, including the StabiliTrak electronic stability control system and side-impact air bags.

With its balanced tuning, the Cobalt SS delivers a quick 0-60 time of approximately 5.7 seconds – thanks to the manual transmission's "no-lift shift" feature – and a sports car-like maximum lateral grip of 0.9 g. This combination enabled the Cobalt SS to set a new class record while circulating the famed Nürburgring racing circuit, posting a time of 8:22.85 minutes.

Unmistakable style

The Cobalt SS is distinguished on the exterior with several unique features, including a distinctive, air dam-style front fascia with integrated projector-beam fog lamps. The new fascia's grille and the Cobalt's upper grille sport a new, SS-specific diamond-mesh appearance.

SS-specific rockers and badging adorn the body sides, while a standard deck lid spoiler adds the requisite sporty touch to the rear of the car. The standard spoiler can be replaced with an optional high wing-style aero enhancement that gives the Cobalt SS the look of a racecar. Also at the rear is a prominent, bright-tip exhaust outlet.

Large, five-spoke 18-inch polished forged aluminum wheels and performance tires are standard and are tailored with the specific body enhancements to give the Cobalt SS a lower, performance-oriented stance – while also showing off the large Brembo front brake calipers. They're mounted on 225/40-series summer tires. Likewise, the available exterior colors enhance the sporty nature of the vehicle. They include Victory Red, Black, Ultra Silver Metallic, Imperial Blue, Rally Yellow, Sport Red Tintcoat and White.

Like the exterior, the interior is unique to the Cobalt SS, including SS-embroidered sport seats with suede-like UltraLux inserts, a specific gauge cluster, an A-pillar-mounted turbo boost gauge and a new shifter arrangement. Three interior color combinations are available: Ebony, Light Grey and Victory Red.

Chevrolet is one of America's best-known and best-selling automotive brands. With the largest dealer network in the United States, Chevy is the leader in full-size trucks and the leader in sales of vehicles priced $35,000 and above. Chevrolet delivers more-than-expected value in every vehicle category, offering cars and trucks priced from $9,995 to $83,175. Chevy delivers expressive design, spirited performance and great value with standard features usually found only on more expensive vehicles. More information on Chevrolet can be found at www.chevrolet.com.

GERMANY'S NÜRBURGRING RACETRACK WAS THE PROVING GROUND FOR THE '08 COBALT SS

DETROIT – The Cobalt SS is at home on the boulevard or starting grid, thanks to development at Germany's famed Nürburgring racing circuit – a winding, undulated road course of approximately 14 miles in length (22 km) and with more than 170 turns. It is considered by many professional racers and auto manufacturers as the ultimate test of a car's mettle.

In fact, the Cobalt SS set a lap record for front-drive sport-compact cars at the "'Ring," posting a time of 8:22.85 minutes – besting the previous record by more than 13 seconds.

"The Cobalt SS delivers an integrated driving experience that balances a strong, satisfying feeling of acceleration with a precise, responsive chassis," said John Heinricy, GM Performance Division executive. "It has been tuned to deliver confident handling and road manners, while also maintaining overall ride comfort."

GM Performance Division (GMPD) is responsible for the "go, stop and turn" capability of Chevrolet's high-performance SS models, and its team of enthusiastic engineers made sure that the new, 2008 Cobalt SS not only achieved stellar performance on the track, it delivered it with a grin-inducing level of driving satisfaction.

Specific performance features include:

* FE5 sport suspension
* Standard F35 five-speed manual transmission with short-throw shifter
* Quicker-ratio steering
* Brembo fixed-caliper front disc brakes
* Vented rear disc brakes
* Eighteen-inch wheels and performance tires
* Driver Information Center "Competition" mode with launch control function
* Available limited-slip differential

Chassis tuning

Conveying the Cobalt SS's turbocharged horsepower to the pavement is an FE5 sport suspension that includes a host of other chassis, steering and braking revisions – and a set of gorgeous, 18-inch forged aluminum wheels. The elements pull together to give the vehicle surprisingly agile ride and handling characteristics, as well as an enviable maximum lateral acceleration rate of 0.9 g – making it one of the best-handling cars in the segment.

"There was a concerted effort to tune the Cobalt SS for competitive track performance," said Heinricy. "This makes the car not only formidable in sanctioned competition, but it puts a finer edge on street performance."

The MacPherson strut independent front suspension uses SS-specific gas-charged twin-tube struts; unique steering knuckles with optimized geometry; 27 N/mm linear coil springs with specific damper tuning; stiffer control arm handling and stabilizer bar bushings; and a direct-acting, 24-mm solid stabilizer bar. At the rear, the SS's semi-trailing twist beam axle uses monotube gas-charged shocks with specific damper tuning, a 24-mm solid stabilizer bar, stiffer axle bushings and multi-rate coil springs (28-40 N/mm). StabiliTrak electronic stability control and traction control are standard.

More than cornering capability, the Cobalt SS's chassis – along with the available limited-slip differential – also is tuned to mitigate conditions often associated with high-performance front-wheel-drive vehicles, such as torque steer and axle hop. The result is smooth application of the car's full performance potential, quickening acceleration and/or lap times and ensuring a smooth, comfortable driving experience on the way to the office.

Quicker steering

An improved electric power steering (EPS) system is tuned to match the SS's handling prowess. The rack-and-pinion gear has a quick 14.8:1 ratio, which is 20-percent quicker than other Cobalt models, and the new EPS provides improved precision and a more viscous feel.

Brembo fixed-caliper brakes

Four-wheel disc brakes with ABS are standard. They consist of large, 12.4-inch-diameter (315 mm) Brembo front vented rotors with premium, high-performance, four-piston fixed calipers in the front and 11.5-inch-diameter (292 mm) rear vented discs with single-piston calipers.

During spirited drives, this gives the Cobalt SS a more precise and consistent braking feel that resists fading, even after repeated occurrences of hard braking, such as the driving experience on a racetrack.

The Brembo calipers are visible behind one of the Cobalt SS's most distinguishing features: a set of 18- x 7.5-inch polished forged aluminum wheels. The wheels ride on SS-specific 225/40-series Y-rated summer tires.

The standard anti-lock brakes are connected to the StabiliTrak electronic stability control system to enhance stopping and handling in emergency driving situations.

TURBOCHARGER FORCE-FEEDS THE COBALT SS 2.0L ECOTEC ENGINE FOR 260 HP (194 kW)

DETROIT – The Cobalt SS is powered by a turbocharged and intercooled 2.0L Ecotec DI engine that delivers 260 horsepower (194 kW) and 260 lb.-ft. of torque (353 Nm) with the standard five-speed manual transmission.

"Chevrolets are about fun and the SS models are the most fun of all," said John Heinricy, GM Performance Division executive. "With the Cobalt SS, fun is balanced with a serious degree of capability, on both the street and racetrack."

Features such as "no-lift shift" and other driver-selectable performance modes help the Cobalt SS achieve 0-60 mph performance in approximately 5.7 seconds and cover the quarter-mile in approximately 14.1 seconds, with minimal torque steer. The top speed is more than 160 mph.

2.0L Ecotec DI turbo engine details

The Cobalt SS's Ecotec 2.0L turbo engine is the same that powers the recently introduced HHR SS. It produces 2.1 horsepower per cubic inch of displacement (130 hp / 97 kW per liter) and is the most powerful engine in the Ecotec family. Gasoline direct-injection technology helps the engine produce more power while maintaining the lower fuel consumption of a small displacement port-injected engine.

With direct injection, fuel is delivered directly to the combustion chamber to create a more complete burn of the air/fuel mixture. Less fuel is required to produce the equivalent horsepower, especially at normal cruising speeds, of a conventional port-injection combustion system. Direct-injection technology works well with turbocharging and helps deliver a great balance of power and economy.

[J-protege]

Sweet, should be good SRT4 competion! Should be able to make this little guy run some pretty quick quarters.

Hopefully they can match it to some nice suspension and interior, but I think that may be where it will lose points.

We'll have to wait and see!

At least it comes with an LSD! Eat that Dodge :p

[Donas64]

This should be interesting. Finally the cobalt SS gets some bike to go wiht its bark. I personally like how those things look. At least now its on par with the MS3 powerwise if not in the fit and finish dept.

http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/articles/images01/cobalt_ss_preview_01.jpg

http://z.about.com/d/cars/1/7/P/q/gm_cobaltss_track.jpg

[Donas64]

Sweet, should be good SRT4 competion! Should be able to make this little guy run some pretty quick quarters.

Hopefully they can match it to some nice suspension and interior, but I think that may be where it will lose points.

We'll have to wait and see!

At least it comes with an LSD! Eat that Dodge :p

LSD = good

crappy cobalt interior = bad.

Firs thing I'd do if I got one is swap out that boy racer wing for a more suble decklid spoiler, and even though I kinda like the rims, I'd probably change those next. This thing will be a wicked little pocket rocket.

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[QUOTE=Donas64;3465075]
Firs thing I'd do if I got one is swap out that boy racer wing for a more suble decklid spoiler.../QUOTE]
They did make the wing smaller this year, no more huge ricer wing. Anyways maybe we'll get lucky and mazda will retune the MS3 for more power, or atleast release it an additional year when they see that there is still a market out there.


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I can't wait for Mazda 3 vs Chevy Cobalt round 2. The MS MS3 is a monster though, if the cobalt has performance stages again (and you get the handling package) those two cars are devastatingly fast (for their class)

[johnnyB5646]

I have always like this car, but I don't really know why. Glad to see that this market is developing into a real performance race, ecorockets FTW!

[Sveivo]

I don't know. I think it looks like crap, esp. in person.

[BlueWolfCry]

I like how it looks, but I would never get it over a ms3

[Donas64]

I have always like this car, but I don't really know why. Glad to see that this market is developing into a real performance race, ecorockets FTW!

Same here, always liked it, not sure why. Things I hate about it are its uber long doors, crappy interior (but better than a neons or calibers), silly taillight design and plain jane headlamps. But the overall shape and stance is handsome. And now that its got turbo power, things could get interesting in the econorocket wars.

VW has GOT to give the GTI more firepower. That chassis and car are almost perfect and its got a torque curve like none-other but its already massivly outgunned against its competition and R34 is too expensive.

[Rotary_Powered]

In Europe they have the GTI anniversary edition with 230 hp, They need to bring a retune to North America, the 2.0 is very conservatively tuned, all the GTI MKV guys do ECU/Chip upgrades as a first mod.

But yeah the exterior profile of the Cobalt is very pleasant. Maybe we'll get the AUS powered 3 next year :P

[coolmazda5]

Would like to see the SS sedan when it comes out. I actually liked the one I saw the other day (like the one below), except by the fogs. I hope they keep offering the old 5-spoke polished wheels (naughty), the new ones lost appeal somehow.
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[Donas64]

Would like to see the SS sedan when it comes out. I actually liked the one I saw the other day (like the one below), except by the fogs. I hope they keep offering the old 5-spoke polished wheels (naughty), the new ones lost appeal somehow.
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Yeah the new wheels are even worse looking than the old ones. I don't like the sedan though, only the coupe. Although both of them have an awkward body panel line near the back that angles up towards the tail lights that annoys me.

Lowering does wonders for the coupes looks as well. I would definatly consider one of these if the price was right. Probably not over an MS3 though.

http://www.carforum.net/gallery/data/500/medium/IMG_0002.jpg

[Hughes412]

I like how it looks, but I would never get it over a ms3

See now I can agree with that. You get the speed and the user friendly car. You can just do more with the MS3. But if I was a kid and looking for a fast cheap car with out the mom and dad feel I'd be all over the SS.

[Newf]

GM could disappear off the face of the earth, and I don't think I'd even notice.
That's how I feel about this car....yawn

[Donas64]

GM could disappear off the face of the earth, and I don't think I'd even notice.
That's how I feel about this car....yawn

don't hate, appreciate! Plus I don't want GM to fall of the face off the earth before I buy my pontiac G8 and whoop up on all you MS6 owning suckas! :)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/Pontiac_G8_concept_car.JPG/800px-Pontiac_G8_concept_car.JPG

(drive2)

Don't worry though, my wife wants a 6 so we'll still be in the mazda family!

[rodney]

i dont know but the cobalt ss's are super slow, a stock ms3 and a slightly modded cobalt ss , the ms3 would still murder no matter what

[TinmanMS6]

Did you read this thread? The new Cobalt SS is turbocharged with 260hp. I'm pretty sure that should keep up with an MS3, at least in a straight line.

[Donas64]

i dont know but the cobalt ss's are super slow, a stock ms3 and a slightly modded cobalt ss , the ms3 would still murder no matter what

Yes an MS3 would murder the Supercharge Cobalt SS.

This new turbocharged one, not so much.

[rodney]

Did you read this thread? The new Cobalt SS is turbocharged with 260hp. I'm pretty sure that should keep up with an MS3, at least in a straight line.

sorry didn't specify, i mean the super charged version my bad

[Rotary_Powered]

Yeah there's about a half second difference between the 1/4 and 0-60 times, so the MS3 was always on top be a couple of car lengths from the dig :) I wouldn't say murder per say, but given equal drivers there is no way one is beating an MS3. Equal drivers.

However from what I've seen the Stage 2 they offer is on par with the stock MS3. MS3 is still nicer and a better deal overall , I wouldn't look down on a s/c cobalt at the track either. Just my 2 cents. I'm always happy to see fast affordable cars made.

[Donas64]

Did you read this thread? The new Cobalt SS is turbocharged with 260hp. I'm pretty sure that should keep up with an MS3, at least in a straight line.

probably keep up in the twisties too. Even the supercharged cobalt got some praise for its handling.

[Rotary_Powered]

No kidding, it just broke the Ring record for it's class. Come on Mazda get on the ring and get the record (previously held by the Astra VRX)

[RODSCALIP5]

Im Glad GM has stepped up to the plate. Hopefully it does beat the MS3 in every comparison test. All it means is a better product from Mazda and less MS3s around SoCal. Hopefully this will also light a fire under FORDS ass....................Focus ST please.

[rodney]

focus? why would you want a focus? can you say POS and UUGLY

[RODSCALIP5]

focus? why would you want a focus? can you say POS and UUGLY

Really?

[rodney]

Really?

???(scratch)

[RODSCALIP5]

???(scratch)


Do a search on the 2008 Ford Focus ST.

[rodney]

i dont really want to its still a focus in my opinion sorry dude somebody had to tell you sooner or later

[rodney]

http://http://bp1.blogger.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/RtRxWluxjOI/AAAAAAAASUw/ob8EJAJevxE/s1600-h/focusSt_blackedition.jpg

this is gay

[rodney]

nvm i guess the pic didnt work

[RODSCALIP5]

i dont really want to its still a focus in my opinion sorry dude somebody had to tell you sooner or later


Trust me, you dont know what your talking about.

http://www.motorintro.com/actuales/_images/ford_images/focus%20st/focus_st_1.jpg
http://www.motorintro.com/actuales/_images/ford_images/focus%20st/focus_st_3.jpg


First the ST and then the RS and I wouldnt consider 300 hp AWD 6 speed gay.

[rodney]

dude its just my opinion, nothing against you or anything, to me a focus is just like seeing another cavilier

[Rotary_Powered]

Doesn't the Mazda 3 ride on the same C1 platform?


Edit: Looked it up
Axela= Mazda 3
"The Axela is based on Ford's global C1 platform, which was developed by Volvo and is shared with the latest European Ford Focus and Volvo S40. Chassis development was carried out by Mazda and suspension designed by Ford. Based on the styling of the MX-Sportif concept car, the Axela is available in two body styles, a four-door sedan, marketed as "coupé style" in Europe, and a five-door hatchback, branded the Sport version in Canada, Japan, and the United States."

[rodney]

i think it might be, but its still a focus

[Donas64]

i think it might be, but its still a focus

thats like saying an MS6 is still just a mazda6 or an SRt4 is still just a neon.

The focus ST is universally hailed as a great drivers car with a phenomenal chassis and it's quick to boot. I would just avoid that LOOK AT ME orange paint job.

Blue ST and call it a day!

http://www.allcarwallpapers.com/wallpapers/previews/ford-focus-st-3242.jpg

http://www.pumaspeed.co.uk/images/productlarge/Focus_st_turbo.jpg.jpg

http://www.tuningnews.net/news/061219/ms-design-ford-focus-st-race-01.jpg

[rodney]

hey im not here to cause an argument, im just stating my opinion

[Donas64]

hey im not here to cause an argument, im just stating my opinion

understood. I'd still take an MS3 over a focus ST but the focus is legit. In europe anyways. Here we get the watered down & neutered version.

[rodney]

lol

[TinmanMS6]

understood. I'd still take an MS3 over a focus ST but the focus is legit. In europe anyways. Here we get the watered down & neutered version.

Ours isn't even a watered down version. The Euro Focus is going on its second redesign since we got the version we've got here. They just keep refreshing the one here because they think we're idiots or something.

The Focus ST gets the Volvo T5 motor. The RS is supposed to have 300hp and AWD, possibly the same basic drivetrain as a Volvo S60R/V70R.

I'd hit a Focus RS silly.
(idhitit)

[mikeyb]

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/cobaltsslivelive1.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/cobaltsslivelive2.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/cobaltsslivelive3.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/cobaltsslivelive4.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/cobaltsslivelive5.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/cobaltsslivelive6.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/cobaltsslivelive7.jpg

[Foolish]

Hmmm.... That could get me behind the wheel of a Chevy... at least for a test drive.

[protegeV]

now THOSE wheels I can deal with!!! Nice on the brembos too as the S/Ced SS brakes suck. Ive driven plenty of them since I work at a Chevy dealership. Stock ones, modded ones, riced ones. The motor in them was strong, but the trans sucked, the clutch is only good for about 10K miles, and the interior...do I even have to mention it. It seems like if you touch any piece of plastic more than once(the I/P bezel, the radio bezel, the door pull handles, etc) the paint chips off. And we've been having tons of problems with the accessory systems...Radios, HVACs, SIR, etc.

Hopefully the new turbo version will be a step in the right direction and it'll be coming out right around the time I'll be shopping for a new car.

[Foolish]

hey im not here to cause an argument, im just stating my opinion

No offense, but I think you're missing the point. The Focus in Europe and the Focus in the states were the same car only for the first generation, then Europe got a good car and we got a re-style of the old car, and then another bad re-style of the old car. The only thing the '08 Euro-Focus and the '08 U.S. Focus have in common is the name!


They just keep refreshing the one here because they think we're idiots or something.

The '08 U.S. Focus is an absolute catastrophe! They really must think we're idiots. TTAC (http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=5866) tore that thing a new asshole, which is odd, 'cause it already looks like (I believe the phrase is) "a hat full of busted assholes!"

American manufacturers keep saying they give a damn about the small car market, and when Ford killed off the Escort and started selling the Focus (and especially the SVT Focus) it looked like they might have meant it. Then the Focus became the most recalled car in history and got a (deserved) reputation as a POS. Since then, they've just let it rot on the vine, even though the corporate mothership has proven, with the 3, the Euro-Focus and the Volvo C-30 that they can make decent small cars!

On topic: The Cobalt is a huge step up from the Cavalier, but unless the price difference is about $10,000, I don't see my self picking even this new and improved SS over the MS3.

[protegeV]

On topic: The Cobalt is a huge step up from the Cavalier, but unless the price difference is about $10,000, I don't see my self picking even this new and improved SS over the MS3.
well aside from that not being possible I think the SS may outperform the MS3 in a straight line, but Im still a little iffy on the suspension. I still dont know how they feel its acceptable to buils a "performance" fwd vehicle with a solid rear axle:rolleyes:

[TinmanMS6]

Yeah, the "new" Focus is a train wreck of bad "trendy" design ideas. They've pulled a Taurus, and let a product that sold well initially sit for way too long.

How long until we get a new 3? It's been around a little while now. I wonder what they'll do with the MS3 to keep it out in front of the competition. It should come out just in time to smoke all of these cars that have been aimed at beating the current model.

[Foolish]

well aside from that not being possible I think the SS may outperform the MS3 in a straight line, but Im still a little iffy on the suspension.

I don't even imagine it could be $10K less, I'm just saying that that's about what the price differential would have to be to get me to pick it over the 'Speed3!

...As for straight line speed: as a former Miata owner, and eternal Miata fanboy, straight line speed is of no interest to me.

I doubt we'll see another generation of 'Speed 3 any time soon. Mazda seems determined to build MS versions of cars just before the model is re-vamped or killed off, then bring out the new model and not build a 'Speed version. We haven't seen a second-gen MS-anything yet!

Ok, you could stretch and say the MS3 is a 2nd gen MSP, as the 3 replaced the Protege, but it's still kind of a reach. Point is, if Mazda keeps with their current MS plan, we won't see another Speed 3 until we see a completely new 3 platform.

[TinmanMS6]

Ok, you could stretch and say the MS3 is a 2nd gen MSP, as the 3 replaced the Protege, but it's still kind of a reach. Point is, if Mazda keeps with their current MS plan, we won't see another Speed 3 until we see a completely new 3 platform.

Well, I wouldn't say that's too much of a stretch. Same thing to me. Also, there are strong rumors of a new MSM, and there will be a new MS6.

[protegeV]

I don't even imagine it could be $10K less, I'm just saying that that's about what the price differential would have to be to get me to pick it over the 'Speed3!

...As for straight line speed: as a former Miata owner, and eternal Miata fanboy, straight line speed is of no interest to me.

I doubt we'll see another generation of 'Speed 3 any time soon. Mazda seems determined to build MS versions of cars just before the model is re-vamped or killed off, then bring out the new model and not build a 'Speed version. We haven't seen a second-gen MS-anything yet!

Ok, you could stretch and say the MS3 is a 2nd gen MSP, as the 3 replaced the Protege, but it's still kind of a reach. Point is, if Mazda keeps with their current MS plan, we won't see another Speed 3 until we see a completely new 3 platform.
yep, they're playing it safe. Give the new model 2 or 3 years to develop then IF and only IF its really popular, then they might make a performance version. Its not like the impreza/wrx/sti thing at all.

[TinmanMS6]

yep, they're playing it safe. Give the new model 2 or 3 years to develop then IF and only IF its really popular, then they might make a performance version. Its not like the impreza/wrx/sti thing at all.

That's not really the plan so much as: Once the model is starting to get older and interest wanes, throw a Mazdaspeed version in there to spice up sales.

[protegeV]

I don't even imagine it could be $10K less, I'm just saying that that's about what the price differential would have to be to get me to pick it over the 'Speed3!
well, considering a base cobalt coupe with just power options and alloy wheel is almost $16K I guess the SS aint gonna happen for ya, lol. With all these upgrades, I would expect to see a sticker for something like $21,995.

[rodney]

this is the last year for ms3 and there will be no more ms6's, but like someone said before, when they come out with the generations, give it 2 0r3 years and you will see a ms vehicle once again but not anytime soon... but i have also heard something about a new msm......

[TinmanMS6]

this is the last year for ms3 and there will be no more ms6's, but like someone said before, when they come out with the generations, give it 2 0r3 years and you will see a ms vehicle once again but not anytime soon... but i have also heard something about a new msm......

What are you basing this on? I am aware that they are not selling them this year, but I've heard from pretty reputable sources that there's a new one on the way after the redesign.

I don't think Mazda would make the mistake of not having any MS vehicles in the showroom at all. That would hurt sales quite a bit, I would think.

[rodney]

dude once mazda stops production on a mazdaspeed vehicle, that is the end of it, msp never comming back and was a turd anyways, msm never comming back, and ms6 never comming back, and soon to be ms3 never comming back

[TinmanMS6]

dude once mazda stops production on a mazdaspeed vehicle, that is the end of it, msp never comming back and was a turd anyways, msm never comming back, and ms6 never comming back, and soon to be ms3 never comming back

I don't believe that you're correct. The MSP, obviously, is not coming back. Mazda is not going to stop selling anything that sells well. The MS6 hasn't, but the MS3 has. It's not just going to go away.

[Foolish]

Mazda is not going to stop selling anything that sells well. The MS6 hasn't, but the MS3 has. It's not just going to go away.
I would like to think that they are that smart, but I have also heard repeatedly that the MS3 is done after the '08 model.

[TinmanMS6]

I would like to think that they are that smart, but I have also heard repeatedly that the MS3 is done after the '08 model.

As long as there is a 3, it would make perfect sense to make a MS3. It would be idiotic to kill something that is, at the moment, class-leading. I can't possibly believe that Mazda would do something that stupid.

The 3 may be getting a redesign for 2009, so it's possible that the MS3 is just going to take a break until they get the base model developed.

Oh yeah, and on topic: Cobalts are t3h suck.

[rodney]

mazda just likes to make these limited production cars for some reason, but they are good at what they do

[jred321]

mazda makes just enough MS models so a little glimpse of an aftermarket pops up. once they notice that people will actually start to mod and enjoy their cars they pull the plug thus killing any hopes of a substantial aftermarket. it's in their business plan. i saw it.

[rodney]

lol i believe thats probably true

[protegeV]

If they're really killing the MS3 and have already killed the MS6 then that is definitely true. I can;t believe this. I wanted to get an MS3 so bad, but if its only gonna last 2 or 3 model years, then why???

[Kooldino]

Apparently it runs the ring in 8:22

[TinmanMS6]

Apparently it runs the ring in 8:22

This is an awesome new trend. I'd like to know how fast everything runs the 'Ring.

"The redesigned Toyota Sienna runs the Nurburgring in 13:42, the fastest ever for a production minivan."

[-pixy-]

This is an awesome new trend. I'd like to know how fast everything runs the 'Ring.

"The redesigned Toyota Sienna runs the Nurburgring in 13:42, the fastest ever for a production minivan."

nice. (evil)

[Rotary_Powered]

It's the new 1/4 mile, the new 60-0 and 0-60, the new skid pad and slalom. The thing is apparently very good at handling, last I saw the MS3 did somewhere in the 8:4X's pretty good that's a big gap, but I heard the driver hadn't been on the ring that many times (though he is a pro driver). It was on autoblog a few months ago.

[Donas64]

Loving those new cobalt SS wheels. I definately like it over the MS3 in the looks dept. Still needs some cool projector headlamps though. Interior is still about 5 steps behind but the seats look good and its overall interior quality looks far better than the calibers. Toss in the fact that the ecotec is a proven motor and chevy might have a hit on their hands.

[rodney]

yea the ecotec is defenitly a proven motor there is a guy with a built cobalt ss with 600+hp in austin, tx and runs 11's so it is really been proven atleast in my eyes

[Brian MP5T]

yea the ecotec is defenitly a proven motor there is a guy with a built cobalt ss with 600+hp in austin, tx and runs 11's so it is really been proven atleast in my eyes

However, It's not stock so it's not the motor but the engine builder that should be impressing you..

The Stock SC is limited to 260 WHP then it hit's a brick wall..

[Hughes412]

However, It's not stock so it's not the motor but the engine builder that should be impressing you..

The Stock SC is limited to 260 WHP then it hit's a brick wall..

Umm, how many 600hp MSP's are there?

Oh yea, there are none.

I understand it's a built motor, but the foundation is cobalt! That does say a lot.

[coolmazda5]

Umm, how many 600hp MSP's are there?

Does Xenon929's 2004 2.3 Mazda3 Turbo (569Whp @29psi) count? Damn, it is not MSP and is modified already... :(

;)

[rodney]

Umm, how many 600hp MSP's are there?

Oh yea, there are none.

I understand it's a built motor, but the foundation is cobalt! That does say a lot.

i totally agree there are none

[rodney]

Does Xenon929's 2004 2.3 Mazda3 Turbo (569Whp @29psi) count? Damn, it is not MSP and is modified already... :(

;)

no one said that the 2.3 wasnt proven, he was just stating that about the msp's that really dont have that much potential, if you wanna hit 300whp in that thing you are going to have to spend a crap load of money

[Donas64]

no one said that the 2.3 wasnt proven, he was just stating that about the msp's that really dont have that much potential, if you wanna hit 300whp in that thing you are going to have to spend a crap load of money

amen to that. I'm really looking forward to some feedback on this new cobalt. The econobox wars just got hotter!

[Newf]

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/cobaltsslivelive7.jpg


And that there folks is the reason why I don't buy American. Cheap f'n crap
It could do 0-60 in 3 seconds, i would not care.

[mazdaspeedwerx]

msp haters. I have 230 hp and havnt spent that much money. probally $3000. all I need is a bigger turbo and I will be at 300 hp or more considering I still do not have my ems properly tuned for my setup now. I have driven the ss cobalt and really did not like it. it didnt have the presence as my msp. even with the turbo I wouldnt want one. the only thing I liked about the interior was that you could pick the seat insert colors. but it was still boring. but it is a step in the right direction again for chevy. maybe when the cobalt era ends chevy will come out with something I might buy

[Donas64]

And that there folks is the reason why I don't buy American. Cheap f'n crap
It could do 0-60 in 3 seconds, i would not care.

For an entry level vehicle, its not terrible, I mean its behind the competition but what are you expecting, a lexus? That interior is far and away better than the dodge calibers. I've seen much better, but I've also seen much worse.

[Sveivo]

I actually like the interior!

[jred321]

i think the interior is nicer than the MSP interior

[Donas64]

i think the interior is nicer than the MSP interior

I don' know if I'd say nicer, at least on par with.



http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/cobaltsslivelive7.jpg


vs.


http://www.edmunds.com/media/roadtests/comparison/2003/econosport/03.mazda.mazdaspeed.protege.int.500.jpg

[Rotary_Powered]

I'd say about on par.

[TinmanMS6]

Great, so it's on par with a 4-year-old car. That's fantastic. Let me know when it's on par with the MS3.

[Newf]

I'd say about on par.

I wouldn't say that at all. Don't just look at colors and design....notice quality of materials. That's the biggie, and Chevy is famous for using crap plastic. Heck, even the steering wheel looks like a toy

[Mallard]

I wouldn't say that at all. Don't just look at colors and design....notice quality of materials. That's the biggie, and Chevy is famous for using crap plastic. Heck, even the steering wheel looks like a toy

My MSP interior was on par with this SS in terms of quality of materials. The new SS also gets some new seats that are extremely nice. The SS's steering wheel is leather wrapped, just like the MSP, and you get the radio controls on the wheel as well as CRUISE CONTROL! No more locked knee after a long highway trip!

The new SS also has the option of a smaller wing, unlike the MSP did.

[1sty]

I wouldn't say that at all. Don't just look at colors and design....notice quality of materials. That's the biggie, and Chevy is famous for using crap plastic. Heck, even the steering wheel looks like a toy

If its like my wife's G5, then the interior is god awful hard plastic that looks like they sprayed undercoating on it.
the nice thing about it is that it is REALLY hard to scratch or scuff. Where as my Toyota's interior is damaged by breathing on it.
The Mazda was in between.

[jred321]

it's not like either of them is an amazing interior. they're both obviously $20,000 econo box interiors. both functional, simple, and nothing special.

[TinmanMS6]

it's not like either of them is an amazing interior. they're both obviously $20,000 econo box interiors. both functional, simple, and nothing special.

One of which is not even on sale, and the other of which has not been sold for over 4 years. The MS3, GTI, Civic Si, and WRX all have much better interiors. The only thing this can beat in interior is the Caliber SRT-4, because Chrysler makes The. Worst. Interiors. Ever.

[mikeyb]

http://images.motortrend.com/auto_shows/coverage/sema/112_2007_sema_show_05z+2008_chevrolet_cobalt_SS_tu rbocharged+front_three_quarter_view.jpg

http://images.motortrend.com/auto_shows/coverage/sema/112_2007_sema_show_06z+2008_chevrolet_cobalt_SS_tu rbocharged+front_view.jpg

http://images.motortrend.com/auto_shows/coverage/sema/112_2007_sema_show_02z+2008_chevrolet_cobalt_SS_tu rbocharged+rear_three_quarter_view.jpg

http://images.motortrend.com/auto_shows/coverage/sema/112_2007_sema_show_03z+2008_chevrolet_cobalt_SS_tu rbocharged+rear_view.jpg

http://images.motortrend.com/auto_shows/coverage/sema/112_2007_sema_show_01z+2008_chevrolet_cobalt_SS_tu rbocharged+side_view.jpg

[mikeyb]

I think this Cobalt SS will keep up with the MS3. But it will need the GM Performance sport suspension to be able to carve corners with the MS3.

You need this is not the only GM small car getting this new turboed ECO?

[BlackCherry06]

Wow..a set of wheels that are actually presentable. Is this a production model or a car-show queen to show what it COULD look like?

[mikeyb]

Wow..a set of wheels that are actually presentable. Is this a production model or a car-show queen to show what it COULD look like?

I hope its a production model. I love the fact that the boyracer spoiler is hopefully gone.

[Gasological]

What is it with american cars and the trend to a HUGE ass end? Think about sitting in that car. What can you see when backing up? Biggest reason I hated the mustang, no situational awareness.

[Donas64]

That cobalts lookin mighty handsome.

Good Sportcoupe looks? Check
Boy Racer 6ft spoiler gone? Check
Best set of stock alloy wheels I've seen in a long time? Check
Super Punchy 4 cyl Turbo motor? check

I'm liking tihs makeover a lot. Too bad I'd never buy one because I need to think about kids in the future and 2 doors just isn't gunna but it and the Cobalt sedan is still ugly.

[Donas64]

What is it with american cars and the trend to a HUGE ass end? Think about sitting in that car. What can you see when backing up? Biggest reason I hated the mustang, no situational awareness.

Thats what the aftermarket bacup camera is for :) (drinks)

[protegeV]

I hear the picnic table spoiler is still optional...but the way Ive seen dealers ordering them its more like its standard and the low-rise spoiler is the option :rolleyes:

[jred321]

What is it with american cars and the trend to a HUGE ass end? Think about sitting in that car. What can you see when backing up? Biggest reason I hated the mustang, no situational awareness.
maybe it's because americans have huge asses and they're making a political statement

[mikeyb]

I hear the picnic table spoiler is still optional...but the way Ive seen dealers ordering them its more like its standard and the low-rise spoiler is the option :rolleyes:

I've seen alot of the low-rise spoilers on these around my area. There is not maybe with the boyracer ones around.

[protegeV]

Ive only seen ONE with the small spoiler around at my dealership to about 12-15 with the huge one. Dont forget there is also a non-S/C ss that only comes with the smaller spoiler ;)

[mikeyb]

Ive only seen ONE with the small spoiler around at my dealership to about 12-15 with the huge one. Dont forget there is also a non-S/C ss that only comes with the smaller spoiler ;)

There was a non S/Ced SS coupe? I thought that was just the sedan? I know 4 SS S/Ced owners which have the low rise spoiler.

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

i'd drive a honda before that car, and i hate honda's

ms3>ss turbo
looks and performance off of speculation only. 14.1 quarter mile with a no lift shift...sounds max to me. whats the lowest stock MS3 time while powershifting!!?

[protegeV]

There was a non S/Ced SS coupe? I thought that was just the sedan? I know 4 SS S/Ced owners which have the low rise spoiler.
yeah, it has a 2.4L...and from the outside you can identify it by 17" wheels, No front or rear lower valance.

I know its a small pic, but here's one
http://www.agedstock.com/images/newvehicles/chevrolet/2007/cobalt/cob2.jpg

[mikeyb]

yeah, it has a 2.4L...and from the outside you can identify it by 17" wheels, No front or rear lower valance.

I know its a small pic, but here's one
http://www.agedstock.com/images/newvehicles/chevrolet/2007/cobalt/cob2.jpg

Well I've never seen one of those but the all the others I've with the low rise spoiler has the SS S/Ced badge on the pass side of the trunklid.

[protegeV]

Ive seen plenty non-SC SS around here. Sad thing is they arent any faster than a base 2.2, but they cost 6K more(dunno)

[autoxes]

okay, don't flame me, but I see the release of the Chevy Cobalt turbo as a positive thing. Let's reflect on the MuscleCar wars...

Various manufacturers all vied for the baddest street car around, big blocks, four speeds and wicked rear gear ratios abounded.

Lets hope that all the automanufacturers decide to do a repeat, because if so, we might just start to see stock cars with around 300 hp straight from the factory. It turns into a hp war, which in turn benefits us!

[protegeV]

w3rd. just b/c every single car that comes out isnt the greatest thing since sliced bread doesnt mean its not a bad thing in the end.

[Rotary_Powered]

okay, don't flame me, but I see the release of the Chevy Cobalt turbo as a positive thing. Let's reflect on the MuscleCar wars...

Various manufacturers all vied for the baddest street car around, big blocks, four speeds and wicked rear gear ratios abounded.

Lets hope that all the automanufacturers decide to do a repeat, because if so, we might just start to see stock cars with around 300 hp straight from the factory. It turns into a hp war, which in turn benefits us!
You are absoulutely right! I wish I could give you a cookie bro, lol.

All the hatorade is perfectly normal happens on every forum, with cars that are at the top of their class. When a newer, potencially quicker car comes out people subcounsciously worry and start finding flaws in the competior. Everyone wants their car to be the "alpha car".

When the MS3 came out the Cobalt S/C owners and SRT-4 (neon) owners screamed "well who wants an Ugly mini van looking wagon". And the shifter is "mushy" and "imprecise"

The Civic Si guys screamed about their better build quality and reliability, and the fact that their engines don't fall out....

Though the Si brakes fade quick, and is one of the slower cars in the segment.

Most people complain about the 3rd gear on the old SRT-4 and how cheap the interior was, and the crank up windows.

Now the new Cobalt Turbo comes out and people are looking for flaws, and there are some, the interior isn't as nice as some of it's competition and the build quality is very likely not as good as it's Japanese counterparts. People are even screaming "ugly coupe" sound just as bad as the people bad mouthing the MS3. I do agree the car is bland though.

That being said I'm a car guy (enthusiast)(drive2) So I respect any car that performs well in it's class, this car just set the record around the Ring one of, if not THE, most challenging courses in the WORLD, the record was broken significantly. I KNOW the MS3 can close. But who knows how close.

People argue that the ring is a bad example. Well look at short courses like willow springs the Old Cobalt S/C is only a second behind the MS3 with less hp, and without the brake and suspension upgrades in the new car, that has a better torque curve/power band.

Hell even some of the Cobalt S/C guys are complaining.

Logic>Than some people.

(Puts up level 10 flame shield, remember guys, I'm still a Mazda fan/driver/owner)

Now let's bash something we can all agree needs bashing.........the NEW SRT-4,LOL....

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

oh man! i hate the srt4 now.....a caliber psh

[jred321]

i hope there's a muscle car war soon too except with, you know, muscle cars :)

a positive about this coming out is you know they have to make the new camaro faster than it, hopefully in all categories

[Donas64]

You are absoulutely right! I wish I could give you a cookie bro, lol.

All the hatorade is perfectly normal happens on every forum, with cars that are at the top of their class. When a newer, potencially quicker car comes out people subcounsciously worry and start finding flaws in the competior. Everyone wants their car to be the "alpha car".

When the MS3 came out the Cobalt S/C owners and SRT-4 (neon) owners screamed "well who wants an Ugly mini van looking wagon". And the shifter is "mushy" and "imprecise"

The Civic Si guys screamed about their better build quality and reliability, and the fact that their engines don't fall out....

Though the Si brakes fade quick, and is one of the slower cars in the segment.

Most people complain about the 3rd gear on the old SRT-4 and how cheap the interior was, and the crank up windows.

Now the new Cobalt Turbo comes out and people are looking for flaws, and there are some, the interior isn't as nice as some of it's competition and the build quality is very likely not as good as it's Japanese counterparts. People are even screaming "ugly coupe" sound just as bad as the people bad mouthing the MS3. I do agree the car is bland though.

That being said I'm a car guy (enthusiast)(drive2) So I respect any car that performs well in it's class, this car just set the record around the Ring one of, if not THE, most challenging courses in the WORLD, the record was broken significantly. I KNOW the MS3 can close. But who knows how close.

People argue that the ring is a bad example. Well look at short courses like willow springs the Old Cobalt S/C is only a second behind the MS3 with less hp, and without the brake and suspension upgrades in the new car, that has a better torque curve/power band.

Hell even some of the Cobalt S/C guys are complaining.

Logic>Than some people.

(Puts up level 10 flame shield, remember guys, I'm still a Mazda fan/driver/owner)

Now let's bash something we can all agree needs bashing.........the NEW SRT-4,LOL....

BEST.........POST..........EVAR!!!! +1billion to you!

[VermZ06]

I don't care if cobalt will be "faster" than the MS3. The competition is good for everyone, this is what makes cars better and better. If anything this will just keep raising the bar for all of us who love these types of sport compacts. I mean look how many of us who used to have the MSP were craving for 200hp! Now we have 263 and still want more. These cars are fast and will keep getting faster...well until 2020 when we're back to 105 horsepower cars. Kudos to GM for giving the cobalt bigger balls...plus are the rest of these companies just going to sit around and have one company 'mazda' and now dodge I guess be the king of the front drive power? Nah...

[Hughes412]

I don't care if cobalt will be "faster" than the MS3. The competition is good for everyone, this is what makes cars better and better. If anything this will just keep raising the bar for all of us who love these types of sport compacts. I mean look how many of us who used to have the MSP were craving for 200hp! Now we have 263 and still want more. These cars are fast and will keep getting faster...well until 2020 when we're back to 105 horsepower cars. Kudos to GM for giving the cobalt bigger balls...plus are the rest of these companies just going to sit around and have one company 'mazda' and now dodge I guess be the king of the front drive power? Nah...

But hey, that'll be 105 WATER generated HP!(thumb)

[Hughes412]

Great post!



You are absoulutely right! I wish I could give you a cookie bro, lol.

All the hatorade is perfectly normal happens on every forum, with cars that are at the top of their class. When a newer, potencially quicker car comes out people subcounsciously worry and start finding flaws in the competior. Everyone wants their car to be the "alpha car".

When the MS3 came out the Cobalt S/C owners and SRT-4 (neon) owners screamed "well who wants an Ugly mini van looking wagon". And the shifter is "mushy" and "imprecise"

The Civic Si guys screamed about their better build quality and reliability, and the fact that their engines don't fall out....

Though the Si brakes fade quick, and is one of the slower cars in the segment.

Most people complain about the 3rd gear on the old SRT-4 and how cheap the interior was, and the crank up windows.

Now the new Cobalt Turbo comes out and people are looking for flaws, and there are some, the interior isn't as nice as some of it's competition and the build quality is very likely not as good as it's Japanese counterparts. People are even screaming "ugly coupe" sound just as bad as the people bad mouthing the MS3. I do agree the car is bland though.

That being said I'm a car guy (enthusiast)(drive2) So I respect any car that performs well in it's class, this car just set the record around the Ring one of, if not THE, most challenging courses in the WORLD, the record was broken significantly. I KNOW the MS3 can close. But who knows how close.

People argue that the ring is a bad example. Well look at short courses like willow springs the Old Cobalt S/C is only a second behind the MS3 with less hp, and without the brake and suspension upgrades in the new car, that has a better torque curve/power band.

Hell even some of the Cobalt S/C guys are complaining.

Logic>Than some people.

(Puts up level 10 flame shield, remember guys, I'm still a Mazda fan/driver/owner)

Now let's bash something we can all agree needs bashing.........the NEW SRT-4,LOL....

[mikeyb]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urwJVnWHjiI


Not as fast as the Nissan GT-R.

[TinmanMS6]

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/03/x08ch_cb012_opt.jpg

Everything looks better with proper lighting. The 2008 Chevy Cobalt SS just stepped into the studio for its glamour shots and they didn't come out half bad. Though the Cobalt itself is somewhat ancient compared to other small cars that have been significantly redesigned in the past few years, it still sells well and the Cobalt SS will likely be the cheapest cost of entry into the wonderful world of direct injection technology when it goes on sale. Its motor is the same one used in the Pontiac Solstice GXP, Saturn Sky Red Line and Chevy HHR SS. The turbocharged, direct-inject 2.0L four cylinder produces 260 horsepower and 260 pound feet of torque, though is tasked with towing around a lighter weight package than other inexpensive pocket rockets like the Dodge Caliber SRT-4 and Mazdaspeed3. Torque steer, of course, is always an issue, but the FE5 sport suspension package was tuned on the famed Nürburgring Nordschleife in Germany and GM promises a ride you can live with on a daily basis. As for the design, it's 95% Cobalt and 5% go-fast tomfoolery. That combination makes for a great sleeper car, as the Cobalt SS does not announce itself on arrival. The 10-split-spoke wheels, subtle (and still useless on a FWD car) rear spoiler, new fog lamps and side sills are extremely tasteful. No scoops and fender vents here, thank you very much.

[Bu11dogg2]

No AWD, no care.

all that power and no traction :spin:

[TinmanMS6]

It's the same power as, and less torque than the MS3. (shrug)

[TinmanMS6]

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[CantCMe]

Wonder how much it will cost...like the look of the interior.

[TinmanMS6]

HHR SS with the same mechanicals (same engine, I'm assuming the rest is the same) bases at $22,995. The regular Cobalt is much cheaper than the regular HHR, so I'd assume that the Cobalt would be cheaper here as well, but that might not be true.

[deadstock]

Nice interior. I'd rather have that than a Calibur srt-4...second thought I'd rather have the MS3 over both, but that's a given

[CantCMe]

I guess at around $21k that's a good deal. I wouldn't buy one, but for someone that's into Cobalts...

[Maxx Mazda]

Seeing it in person it's a much sweeter car, we just got one in here at my dealer for the autoshow... Pretty cool car.

[SwampAss]

No AWD, no care.

all that power and no traction :spin:



some of us make due with another 50hp :)



I like it! I can't wait to see how it does with aftermarket (or factory if offered) support.

[StreteSpd]

some of us make due with another 50hp :)

I like it! I can't wait to see how it does with aftermarket (or factory if offered) support.

What he said...it actually seems to have a good chassis, which counts for a lot more than anything else.

look here: Nurburghring Times (http://www.fastestlaps.com/track2.html)

When you get to the Cobalt at #93 on the all times list, look at 1) what's underneath it, and 2) how far you have to go before you reach another FWD car. It's not exactly my thing, I like a little more refinement in my cars, but it is a mighty good step in the right direction for GM, and, it would seem, very quick as well.

[coolmazda5]

The 10-split-spoke wheels, subtle (and still useless on a FWD car) rear spoiler, new fog lamps and side sills are extremely tasteful. No scoops and fender vents here, thank you very much.

Agreed. Just drop it 1in, add non-ricey HIDs and that little guy is on business.

Not bad, love the Brembos and the wheels, and actually like the seats, don't ask :D

[Foolish]

The next FWD car on the list is the Mazda3 MPS (MS3) at #138, 17 seconds slower.


Not bad, Chevy, not bad. But how much $$??

[coolmazda5]

Read as a comment from the web site. Damn Cobalt SS, that is a bad dude.


GM has Opel in Germany and Opel use the same ecotec engine in the Astra OPC... but with lower power, without high perfomance brembo brakes without limited slip diff... and the Opel Astra OPC has set in 2005 the FWD record at the Ring for production cars with 8:35min... now add 20hp more and lot more torque... brembo brakes and limited slip diff...

The Opel Astra OPC = Vauxhall Astra VXR and, if we were dreaming = Saturn Astra RedLine ;)

[probin94]

i like it....i liked the old ss'. the only thing i never liked about the cobalts including this on is the damn back of the car.




james

[coolmazda5]

Wow, it looks impressive for the price, decent fuel economy as well (yet I would still go for a MAZDASPEED3 regardless of its performance though (dunno)):

(Information posted credit goes to the CobaltSS(dot)net forums)





Start of Production is scheduled for April 7th, 2008.
Expect to see Cobalt SS Turbo’s to arrive in dealerships in late April to early May 2008.
The main competitors are Dodge Caliber SRT4, Mazda3 Speed & Honda Civic Si.
MSRP is $22,995.



2008 CHEVROLET COBALT SS TURBO

Overview

Model:
Cobalt SS

Body style / driveline:
5-passenger coupe, unitized frame,
front engine, front-wheel drive

Construction:
2-sided galvanized steel on exterior panels (except roof)

EPA vehicle class:
compact car

Manufacturing location:
Lordstown, Ohio

Key competitors:
Honda Civic Si, MazdaSpeed 3, Volkswagen GTI, Nissan Sentra SE-R spec V

Engine:
Ecotec 2.0L DI Turbo VVT

Type:
2.0L DOHC I-4

Displacement (cu in / cc):
122 / 1998

Bore & stroke (in / mm):
3.39 x 3.39 / 86 x 86

Block material:
cast aluminum

Cylinder head material:
cast aluminum

Valvetrain:
DOHC, 4 valves per cylinder; dual continuous variable valve timing

Ignition system:
individual coil-on-plug

Fuel delivery:
direct-injection with a variable high-pressure rail and electronic throttle control

Compression ratio:
9.2:1

Horsepower (hp / kW @ rpm):
260 / 194 @ 5300*

Torque (lb-ft / Nm @ rpm):
260 / 353 @ 2000*

Recommended fuel:
premium recommended but not required

Maximum engine speed (rpm):
6300 rpm

Emissions controls:
close-coupled catalytic converters, Quick-Sync 58x ignition system; returnless fuel rail; wide-range O2 sensor

Estimated fuel economy (city / hwy):
22 / 30


Transmission
GM Powertrain Sweden F35 5-speed manual

Gear ratios: (:1):

First:
3.38

Second:
1.76

Third:
1.18

Fourth:
0.89

Fifth:
0.70

Reverse:
3.17

Final drive ratio:
3.82:1


Chassis/Suspension

Front:
MacPherson independent strut-type with direct acting, 24mm solid stabilizer bar

Rear:
semi-independent torsion beam with montoube gas shocks; 24mm solid stabilizer bar

Steering type:
electric, power-assisted variable-speed rack-and-pinion

Steering ratio:
14.8:1 (variable)

Steering wheel turns, lock-to-lock:
2.75

Turning circle, curb-to-curb (ft / m):
39.4 / 12

Brakes

Type:
power 4-wheel disc with standard anti-lock; 38mm Brembo four-piston fixed calipers in front and 40mm single-piston rear calipers

Rotor diameter x thickness (in / mm):
front: 12.4 x 1.02 / 315 x 26 (vented)

Disc diameter x width (in / mm):
rear: 11.5 x 0.79 / 292 x 20 (vented)

Wheels/Tires

Wheel size and type:
18 x 7.5-inch split-spoke polished forged aluminum

Tires:
P225/40R18 Y-Rated high-performance

Dimensions

Exterior


Wheelbase (in / mm):
103.5 / 2628

Overall length (in / mm):
180.5 / 4585

Overall width (in / mm):
67.9 / 1725

Overall height (in / mm):
55.7 / 1415.4

Track (in / mm):
front: 58.6 / 1490
rear: 58.1 / 1476

Minimum ground clearance (in / mm):
TBD

Curb weight (lb / kg):
2975 / 1349

Weight distribution (% front / rear):
60 / 40




Interior
Coupe


FrontRear

Seating capacity:
2-3

Headroom (in / mm):
38.7 / 98435.7 / 905.7

Legroom (in / mm):
42 / 1066.532.2 / 817.5

Shoulder room (in / mm):
53 / 1346.549 / 1245.8

Hip room (in / mm):
49.5 / 1257.146.1 / 1171.8




Capacities

EPA passenger volume (cu ft / L):
87 / 2463.5

EPA interior volume (cu ft / L):
97 / 2747

Cargo volume (cu ft /L):
13.9 / 394

Trailer towing maximum (lb / kg):
not recommended

Fuel tank (gal / L):
13.2 / 49

Engine oil (qt / L):
5 / 4.7

Cooling system (qt / L):
9.2 / 8.7

[Maxx Mazda]

I'd swap the G5 GT rear end. I much prefer the G5 tails, etc.

[Pirana]

wao, still looks like a rent a car!!

[coolmazda5]

I'd swap the G5 GT rear end. I much prefer the G5 tails, etc.

Nah, *even* the Nissan Skyline has the Cobalt rear end taillights, I'll keep them (wink)

[TinmanMS6]

2975 lbs? That's a damn heavy Cobalt. Are they all that heavy?

[coolmazda5]

^^ Damn car, I'm hooked, it even looks like I friggin' gonna buy one :D

Regular Coupe:
Curb weight, estimated (lbs.) 2,681

Regular Sedan:
2,747

300+ lbs. more, maybe the forum post is not accurate? Isn't that much more than between the Mazda3 Hatchback and the MazdaSPEED3?

[SwampAss]

2975 lbs? That's a damn heavy Cobalt. Are they all that heavy?


My MS3 is 3100 and change.

[nealric]

I can't believe I am saying this, but I have found an American car that I would consider buying.

Very nice and 22/30mpg too!

[D-Cash24]

the red one looks pretty sharp, the rims and big brakes really help the look.

[clicknext]

I like it. I think it certainly comes at the right price. The interior looks really cheap to me, though. Seems like they tried to make it nice but in the end had to keep costs down.

[TinmanMS6]

The Cobalt SS was pretty good when it came out three years ago, but it's even better now.

"Better?" you say. "Impossible! The original Cobalt SS was supercharged and intercooled and had a big silly wing on the back. How could anyone, even GM Performance Division, improve on that?"

Well, they did and we just drove it, with (for all we know) the biggest, silliest wing in GM history blocking the view out the back window. So we now agree with Chevrolet general manager Ed Peper who said, "The horsepower will put a permanent smile on your face, and you'll find yourself wanting to turn around and zip through your favorite stretch of twisty roads again."

Indeed we did, Ed, zipping up the twisty confines of Granite Highway in the foothills of the mighty Sierra Nevadas then turning around and zipping right back down. We then zipped across the vast San Joaquin Valley to Buttonwillow racetrack and zipped around that for a couple of hours. We can now say the new Cobalt SS eliminates many of the compromises of the first model and adds performance you might not expect in a subcompact front-wheel drive. It is, amazingly enough, refined. (We'd say "zippy" but that would be overkill.)

Sure, it's only refined by the standards of front-wheel-drive performance subcompacts. When you really tromp on the throttle exiting a corner or doing a boy-racer drag-strip start, it'll still pull to one side or the other with mighty, spine-splitting torque steer. But it's pretty tough to avoid torque steer given that this new model puts 260 lb-ft of torque and 260 hp through the 18-inch forged-aluminum front wheels.

To get those big power numbers, the new 2008 Cobalt SS, which debuted at SEMA last November, substitutes a turbocharger for the original model's supercharger. The turbo does a more efficient job of forcing air into the 2.0-liter four-cylinder Ecotec block. So much better that horsepower goes up by 55 and torque jumps by 60 lb-ft, all the while returning 30 mpg on the highway and 23 mpg in city driving.

There doesn't seem to be much in the way of turbo lag with this unit, either. Engineers manage the boost so well with a variable wastegate that it comes across as a smooth slathering of power and torque all across the top of the band.

The only weirdness to the extra oomph is a sort of reverse torque steer when you suddenly lift off the throttle, but that could just as easily be due to the Torsen limited-slip differential suddenly grabbing hold.

In addition to the Torsen's mechanical grip on the drivetrain, a "brake limited-slip differential" grabs whichever front wheel is spinning to send torque to the wheel getting the better grip.

Further control was the aim when engineers programmed two hits of the traction control button, putting the car into "Competitive Mode."

This mode means a number of things. On the track, it seems to mean more torque steer, with a greater amount of wheelslip available. But it also engages the "No-Lift Shift" mode, which allows you to keep the throttle down and the boost up while shifting without risking damage to the engine or five-speed manual transmission.

It also switches on "Launch Control," which sounds like something from NASA but is really a 5100-rpm redline engagement (below the 6300-rpm standard redline) that is supposed to mean quicker, more consistent launches. In reality, the rpm seem to waver up and down while in this mode, and the engine darn-near bogged almost every time we did it or saw anyone else do it. We'd try launches without launch control, ourselves. Chevy says the Cobalt SS gets from 0 to 60 mph in 5.7 seconds.

But once the power gets down to the pavement, the whole car is kept in line with a number of "zippy" suspension upgrades. Several bushings were stiffened up, including the front control arm handling bushing controlling the front MacPherson struts, and the rear axle bushing keeping the rear trailing twist beam in place. New 24-mm stabilizer bars sit front and rear.

The electric power steering, put in to save 0.5 mpg, gets more amperage to handle the 10 percent-quicker 14.8:1 steering ratio of the new model. The extra electricity is aimed at making it feel more like a hydraulic unit, which it does, mostly.

The vented disc brakes measure 315 mm with four-piston fixed calipers in front, and 292 mm with single-piston calipers in the rear. Tires are 225/40 Y-rated ContiSport summer models mounted on 18x7.5-inch wheels. ABS and stability control are both standard, too. GM says the whole thing cranks 0.9 g on the skidpad.

The optional, massive wing on the car actually does something, providing 23 pounds of downforce at 70 mph and 115 pounds at 155 mph. Top speed of this car (with the standard, smaller wing) is 160 mph! You wouldn't want to do that with a plain-vanilla Cavalier.

GM hot shoe John Heinricy drove one of these cars--with the big wing--to a record 8:22.85-minute lap around the Nurburgring's Nordschleife, beating the old record for the subcompact class by 13 seconds.

We drove around Buttonwillow a little slower than Heinricy (though we did shift and brake at all the same places) and found the car to be a fun track-day squealer. It was safe enough that you really couldn't hurt yourself or the car unless you really tried to do so. A front-driver is never going to be as much fun as a rear-drive sports coupe, but there aren't any in this price range.

The sticker is $22,995, and almost everything you need to have fun is standard, from satellite radio to a 228-watt Pioneer audio system with a huge subwoofer. The new Cobalt, the one after this one, won't start production until June 2010, and you'll have to wait until at least then for the new, more robust six-speed manual and six-speed automatic in anything like this. You may have to wait a little longer for the next Cobalt SS model. But for now, this one is a fine commodity. It should be in showrooms within six weeks.

GM expects the SS to account for the same 10 percent or so of Cobalt sales, or about 10,000 units a year. And there is little worry inside GM that the sport compact market is shrinking.

"We've been doing tuner tours and events like Hot Import Nights since 2005, and our events continue to grow, with more people and more venues," Cobalt marketing manager Brian Brown said. "It's definitely bringing us the youthful buyer."

At 23 to 26 years old, the Cobalt SS buyer is the second-youngest demographic after the Scion tC, a statistic GM marketing people love.

[Igve2shtz]

I must say, MS3 owners will finally have a race. Add to that the (warranty friendly) GM stage upgrades, a great suspension, and I would consider buying the SS.

Not to mention, definite aftermarket support.

Am I the only one who actually liked the way the original Cobalt SS looked? I admit, it looks cheesy at first, but it grew on me.

[hollar1211]

still reminds me of a cavalier, and i still don't understand how the civic si, vw gti, and sentra are considered the same class with the cobalt ss and ms3. I undertsand because they're similar fwd sport compacts in the same price range, but giving up 60 hp and almost 100 ft/lbs of torque and non turbo really isn't the same class. the ms3 is still the most badass of the bunch.

[CHICO2003]

This car definitely looks better in person. Without the hideous wing, it has a clean, functional look. It's a shame the previous gen's saucer wheels didn't make it into this run. Those wheels were actually pretty sweet.

So apparently there will be an SS sedan available sometime in June. (I think I read that on C&D) then, and only then, will this car truly compete with the likes of the MS3. I'm sorry but... saying a 2 door coupe is in the same 'class' as a 4 door compact sedan/hatch is ridiculous. There's a huge difference in practicality. I mean, even if you don't cart around people a lot, having easy access to the back seat comes in handy. That said, the coupe DOES look a lot better than the sedan version... though, perhaps GM can turn that thing into something halfway decent.

Either way... this car is a hell of a steal. The interior doesn't look that bad... I dig the 3 spoke steering wheel and 2-tone color scheme. Seats look like they're pretty snug and the a-pillar boost gauge is about as non-rice as you can get (for an a-pillar gauge). Through in the non-lift shifting and crazy track capability and... it looks like the MS3 will finally have some competition. Can't wait for the rags to do some comparos....

[ZooZoom]

hope to encounter one on a real track in So.Cal. sounds like the setup will make for strong competition.

but of course it's really the driver's skill that wins the day! (upyours)

[CHICO2003]

It's a combination. You can put mario andretti behind the wheel of a yugo and he aint gonna beat boy racer and his... whatever the F. It's all about gaining an edge.

I will say that, as impressive as that Nurem.... the ring time is, it's about as irrelevant of a stat as you can get (for practical usage.)

I mean... unless you autocross at the parking lot for the mall of america... the fact that the car is 17 seconds faster than the MS3 (during an 8 min lap) means little to nothing... A) none of us will ever drive our cars there and B) none of us will ever drive our cars like that or... anywhere like that

So it shows its a capable car but it's hardly a bragging right over the MS3. 17 seconds during an 8 min lap is like a tenth of a second for a 0-60 time. big F'in deal!! When the performance numbers are that close... other factors come into play. looks, interior, refinement, utility... As much as I like/respect this new Cobalt... the MS3 still has it beat. In Sport trim, it's about the same price too.... But hey, I'll still consider it. Can't wait for them to show up at dealerships. Maybe GM will have some... incentives. The big companies (especially domestics) usually are better at that sort of thing.... but then again, for a car like this... probably not.

[mikeyb]

Quicker than a Corvette!

http://images.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0803_01z+2008_chevrolet_cobalt_SS+front_view.j pg

Okay, of course we're not referring to the 2008 Corvette (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2008/chevrolet/corvette/index.html). That would be a ridiculous statement, an utter lie. And we wouldn't do that to you. No, no, we're talking about the 1989 Vette that, back in a May 1989 road test, impressed power junkies with its 245-horse, 5.7-liter V-8 that could consume 60 in 6.5 seconds and the quarter mile in 15.0 at 94.6 mph. My, how times change-this cute Cobalt (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2008/chevrolet/cobalt/index.html) SS you see here, with a puny 2.0-liter four-cylinder spinning the front wheels and with help from a new "no-lift shift" launch control can, according to Chevy, scorch 60 in just 5.7 seconds and the quarter in 14.2 at nearly 100 mph. Legit? You should see it at the track.



When we say track, we really mean the "'Ring," as in Germany's Nurburgring. It was there the SS, with a time of 8:22.85 minutes, set a new record for front-drive sport-compacts, a class previously dominated by the Opel Astra (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2008/saturn/astra/index.html) OPC, which was over 13 seconds slower. For context, a Z06 obliterates the 'Ring in 7:43, but that's with nearly twice the power, rear drive, and tires as wide as a La-Z-Boy.

http://images.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0803_02z+2008_chevrolet_cobalt_SS+rear_view.jp g

The Cobalt's mojo comes courtesy of the aforementioned 2.0-liter-a 260-horsepower direct-injection turbo-and a heavily revised chassis, highlighted by stiffer springs and dampers, a larger rear anti-roll bar, 10-percent-quicker steering, Brembo four-piston front brakes, and 18-inch forged alloys wearing 225/45 Continentals. The package works, displaying predictable, confidence-inspiring traits at the track and, more important, grin-inducing grip (Chevy claims 0.90 g). Making that grin even wider are a top speed of 160 mph and estimated combined fuel economy of 26 mpg.

Nevertheless, at only $22,995, the SS could stand for Super Steal. Even loaded with the $495 limited-slip differential (a must for the track), $750 sunroof, and $195 big wing, the SS still goes for under $25,000. Better yet, an SS sedan is coming for 2009. Either way, you'll be grinning big as you pity those old Corvettes in the rearview.



Nevertheless, at only $22,995, the SS could stand for Super Steal. Even loaded with the $495 limited-slip differential (a must for the track), $750 sunroof, and $195 big wing, the SS still goes for under $25,000. Better yet, an SS sedan is coming for 2009. Either way, you'll be grinning big as you pity those old Corvettes in the rearview.

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[CHICO2003]

so what's the deal with the IC? front mount?

[coolmazda5]

Better yet, an SS sedan is coming for 2009


(naughty)

Red and black car pics, that trunk wing needs to go, wheels look great while on the move though.

GM NA seems to be starting to realign the path (if we forgive the HHR hiccup of course)

[mikeyb]

From the time I sat in the new race seats, I had a smile on my face. The seats are extremely comfortable; they hug you in and hold you tight in the car even in the sharpest turns. The seats are available in Ebony, Light Gray, and Victory Red. As of now, I was told that the Victory Red sets won’t be an option on black cars as was the case with the Supercharged SS.

The no lift shift takes a while to get use to, but once you get it, you will never want to shift a manual transmission the same way again. To shift gears, you don’t step off the gas, just press the clutch and slam the shifter into gears. It’s nice not to lose any boost while shifting.

I was pleasantly surprised with the awesome traction on these cars. The wheelhop was practically eliminated and you can definitely tell you are launching a different car. All the cars at the event were equipped with LSD; however, LSD will be an option when ordering. You will also be pleased to know that the car has improved engine mounts to reduce engine vibrations.

The Cobalt SS engineers closely monitored warranty work on the previous Supercharged Cobalt and as a result, the weaker spots got addressed such as the clutch and half shafts. This car was engineered with serious performance in mind. The car’s handling on the track is extraordinary. Brembo brakes will be standard on the Turbo Cobalt according to the engineering team.

This car has plenty of power; however it would be ideal for GM to develop stage kits to really put this car over the top. Unfortunately the engineers claim that there are no plans for stage kits at this time.

Many have asked if you can hear the bypass valve or the blow of valve (BOV) as most people refer to it. While it’s not extremely loud, you can definitely hear it.

I really enjoyed every moment with this car and there isn’t anything that I dislike about the car. The car is built to be a serious competitive performance machine and that is all that I expected from the new SS. If I did have a chance to improve anything on the car, I would definitely enhance the exterior appearance with more than the wheels and grills. I asked if there were any plans for a new functional hood, but I was told the focus of the car was performance and there are no plans for a hood option.

More at CobaltSS.net Forum Link: http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=100035


2008 CHEVROLET COBALT SS FAST FACTS
* Engineered and developed by GM Performance Division
* 2.0L Ecotec turbocharged and intercooled engine with 260 horsepower (194 kW)
* GM Powertrain Sweden five-speed transmission with short-throw shifter
* Nrburgring-tuned FE5 Sport suspension delivers 0.9 g grip
* Brembo fixed-caliper front discs and vented rear disc brakes
* SS-specific appearance with unique fascias and rear spoiler - including available high wing
* 18-inch high-polished forged aluminum wheels and Y-rated performance tires
* SS-specific interior with new sport seats, A-pillar boost gauge and more
* On sale: second quarter of 2008

With its balanced tuning, the Cobalt SS delivers a quick 0-60 time of approximately 5.7 seconds - thanks to the manual transmission's "no-lift shift" feature - and a sports car-like maximum lateral grip of 0.9 g. This combination enabled the Cobalt SS to set a new class record while circulating the famed Nrburgring racing circuit, posting a time of 8:22.85 minutes.





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[mikeyb]

I think this is alot better then the supercharged verison. I might have to go testdrove a used one.

I'm also waiting for this. Saturn Astra Redline based on the Astra VXR/OPC

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[CantCMe]

Wow...looks like Chevy has a winner on it's hands.

And that Astra is hot!!

[Donas64]

The Astra is very cool. Heres hoping for an Astra Redline.

Loved the old Cobalt SS supercharged. Love the new turbo one even more.

[elieleb1303]

i do like the interior, but the back is still hideous.
may as well just call it a cavalier

[tunersteve]

I have a few friends with them, and I actually like the new one. I hate the yellow one with the 'multi-piece' wheels. Aside from that, I actually like the wing on this car. It'll be the next SRT-4.

[07speed3]

i gotta give to chevy on this one, they definitly made the hobalt alot nicer...still wouldnt trade my MS3 for it though haha Im curiose to see how it will respond to mods, anybody know what turbo is in it? or what kinda boost there running?

[Maxx Mazda]

The one I drove only hit 12psi but that wason the lot, I had to let off right away cause I can't go rippin fast. The solstice GXP and HHR SS which share the engine hit 18-22 I believe. The turbo I dunno, it's wierd. The bpv is liek built into the turbo, it's crazy...

[07speed3]

The one I drove only hit 12psi but that wason the lot, I had to let off right away cause I can't go rippin fast. The solstice GXP and HHR SS which share the engine hit 18-22 I believe. The turbo I dunno, it's wierd. The bpv is liek built into the turbo, it's crazy...

wow hi PSI for stock...i wouldnt imagine there is much room to increase boost on the stock motor or turbo then?

[Maxx Mazda]

Sure there is, with a proper tune anything is possible. Don't forget, the SRT-4's were hitting 30psi on stock internals...

[07speed3]

Sure there is, with a proper tune anything is possible. Don't forget, the SRT-4's were hitting 30psi on stock internals...

ya you make a good point...its just a matter of how much the stock internals of the ecotec can handle befor it pops haha i have heard its a pretty strong motor though.

[07speed3]

got this from a cobalt forum thought it was interesting some more info...they got the same turbo as us!

-My Cobalt SS makes a variable ticking sound, is this normal?
Yes the clicking is normal from the engine. The LNF uses a cam driven fuel pump with a high pressure solenoid to provide the 2000+ psi of fuel pressure the direct injection system requires under load. The clicking is the solenoid opening and closing and is a common feature of all DI engines (Mazda 2.3L, BMW 3.0L, Cady 3.6L).

-My Cobalt SS is only reaching 14~17 psi, is this normal?
The LNF's Turbo builds boost to demand levels, so depending on your region you may never see the full 20 psi. Seeing 14~17 psi on average is normal and within functioning values. You're still making 260 HP without having to hit the max 20 psi.

-What turbocharger is in the Cobalt SS?
The Cobalt SS (along with all other LNF based cars) use the Borg-Warner K04 turbocharger. The trim level is unknown at this time. This particular model (however not the same trim levels) is used in some Audi/VW cars (TT/Passat) and is a popular upgrade for Audi/VW cars that use the smaller K03.

-What ECU does the Cobalt SS use?
The LNF engines use the new Bosch MED9.6 ECM.

-Does the Cobalt SS have a Wideband sensor?
Yes, the LNF engine uses a Wideband sensor as part of the control loop in keeping the engine in check. The sensors readouts can be monitored by various ODBII scanners.

-My car is making a lot of soot, is this normal?
Yes, like the ticking the soot is an unfortunate side effect of running a SIDI engine. Using a metal polish or long lasting auto wax on the tail pipe will help make cleaning easier.

and from snooping around it also seems like the trannies in them are basically gonna pop with anymore then 270lb/ft considering there set power limit according to GM is 260lb/ft.

[mikeyb]

We all know GM will have go fast parts for this new SS.

[07speed3]

We all know GM will have go fast parts for this new SS.

true but not until they figure out a way to build that trans. to hold it.

[CantCMe]

true but not until they figure out a way to build that trans. to hold it.

Hopefully they do...looks like they have a winner here.

[CHICO2003]

well they warranty it for 100k miles so....

[mikeyb]

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[Rotary_Powered]

coupe looks better. But that's not a bad competitor to the MS3, SRT-4, WRX, and ralli art.

[Maxx Mazda]

Go GM!

[SeR_Cyclops]

id pimp one!

[Donas64]

coupe looks 10x better. But the sedan has MASSIVE sleeper potential. De-badge that sucker and leave countless fools wondering how they just got SPANKED by a frumpy 4 dr cobalt! Priceless!

[coolmazda5]

I like the sedan much better (same goes for many models, including the BMW M series). Dunno, makes the performance accents look more meaningful (except maybe the G8 :D)

But, now, what up with the 27in wheel gap for the back wheels? I was driving today next to a Cobalt sedan with "12in" wheels-n-caps and noticed that the wheel gap is huge, yet thought the SS suspension and the bigger wheels will fix that... hmmm, well (eyeballs)...

Do we know if the sedan received the same suspension tuning treatment as the coupe?

1in lower please :)

[Donas64]

That wheel gap is for added off-road ability! Thats its secret weapon: AWD!

[CHICO2003]

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whiplash antenna FTMFL

[Foolish]

So, is the sedan turbo'd also, or is it like before, where the coupe was the SS/Supercharged, and the sedan was sold as an SS, which just meant "regular sedan with a stick." I harassed the saleschick at the autoshow in Atlanta a couple years back about that. I was disappointed to find that the SS sedan was just badge-performance!

[CantCMe]

To this day I still don't understand why people still use those damn antennas!

[Donas64]

So, is the sedan turbo'd also, or is it like before, where the coupe was the SS/Supercharged, and the sedan was sold as an SS, which just meant "regular sedan with a stick." I harassed the saleschick at the autoshow in Atlanta a couple years back about that. I was disappointed to find that the SS sedan was just badge-performance!


I want to say, this go round, the sedan is the real deal. Turbo and all.

[CHICO2003]

Probably the 2 biggest pet peeves I have with regards to (for lack of a better term) exterior fuckups are... whiplash antennas (or antennas of any kind really) I mean... wtf? the MSP is 5 years old and it's antenna system is far superior to even the majority of the cars on the road. including the mostly superior ms3! granted, that design is a lot better... but come on! integrated is the way to go!

2nd... god damn gas tank on the passenger side. I mean wtf??? Am I the only one who thinks it's a pain in the ass to get gas in a car with one on that side?

so yeah... for those 2 reasons i'd never consider this car.

Even though... it looks pretty damn sweet! (the coupe anyway) sedan is pure ass on a stick.

[Foolish]

so yeah... for those 2 reasons i'd never consider this car.


I can't say either of those things are deal-breakers for me. I mean really, the antenna? Who gives a shit?

Even though... it looks pretty damn sweet! (the coupe anyway) sedan is pure ass on a stick.

As for the sedan, I have a kid, so 4 doors would be the way to go. The looks? Pure rental car. As such, it would probably draw no additional attention from the Po-po, so I'm cool with that, too. I'd be all for de-badging a black SS/TC sedan, dropping it an inch and commuting in that bad-boy! Stealth. Pure stealth.

[mountjonas]

2nd... god damn gas tank on the passenger side. I mean wtf??? Am I the only one who thinks it's a pain in the ass to get gas in a car with one on that side?


dude, that's like, less than 10 feet of extra walking tops. really, you'd take a car off your list for that? i thought i was lazy(drive)

[tunersteve]

I kinda agree with Chico that antennas absolutely crap on the styling of an otherwise good looking car. Do you see concept cars with huge antennas? NO. They detract from the profile of the car a lot. Would it keep me from buying a car. Absolutely not.

I really do like the sedan as well, but I wish it still had the old style wheels. Those new ones look good on the coupe, but bad on the sedan.

[CHICO2003]

yeah... the older wheels are 10x better.

but as far as the gas tank thing goes... It's not that I'm lazy. I'm just a fan of logic. Everytime I fill up (which... is far too often these days) i'd be reminded of the idiotic engineering that went into designing which side the freakin gas tank would be on. I mean.. hello??? You drive on the driver's side you dumbasses!! (I'm talkin to the engineers... not you guys btw) At first I thought it was only Eurpean (which are often right hand drive) so I gave them a pass... but there's absolutely no excuse for a car that's born and bred in America not to have the tank on the proper side.

now is it a deal breaker? I suppose that would be pretty ridiculous... OCD's a bitch so I guess it all depends on how well the meds are workin that day. All I know is.. all things being equal, I definitely prefer it to be on the logical side.

The walking 10 feet thing... A lot of the gas stations I go to have self serve on the right and full serve on the left. (which is fitting I suppose since you find a lot of audis, mercedes, etc with the tanks on the right) so... unless I start going elsewhere for gas, I'm either going to have to back my car in or drape the disgusting hose across my car. Not good!

And yeah.. as far as the antenna goes. Not a big deal either since... if you've got satelite, there's no reason for having 'radio'... unless you're like me and listen to a lot of am sports talk... in which case... yeah, that chintzy ass antenna WOULD be a deal breaker for me. With the case of the MS3 (or any car that has the antenna on the middle top area) a stub or fin will usually do the trick. Some cars look good with the stubs on the side... The S2000 comes to mind... can't really think of any others. This car.... not so much.

[coolmazda5]

Interesting, first time I hear about the gas fill-up side been a problem :)

I used to own a Honda with the gas fill-up to the left while owning the Mazda5 which has the gas fill-up to the right. I just followed the arrow indicator in the dash to not screw up...

To make sure the hose reaches I just take a u-turn when needed (which BTW the Mazda5 does like a tricycle :D).

Anyway, never think of this feature until the first time I fill up after buying my cars (scratch), oh well, different strokes for different folks

[robin2660]

dude, that's like, less than 10 feet of extra walking tops. really, you'd take a car off your list for that? i thought i was lazy(drive)

Uh, not exactly. Most gas stations I've seen/been to allow you to pull up on either side, or approach from the other direction.

I though most cars had fuel input on the drivers side, the MS3 being one of the exceptions.

[mountjonas]

it all depends on how they're designed. if i recall correctly, they put the gas input on the opposite side of the exhaust.

[CHICO2003]

so what about dual exhaust? lol j/k

I remember back in the day... my parents had an LTD (I think it was an LTD) station wagon with the gas tank under the freakin license plate! lmfao now that's just wrong.

I think in the future... gas tanks will be accessible from underneath the car. I can imagine a world in which you pull up... the robotic fueler device then finds the... spot (NES Top Gun style) and a minute or 2 later... you're gone. of course... it'll probably be filling your car up with hydrogen atoms instead of fossil fuel....

[Rotary_Powered]

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The Cobalt Gets Its 15 Minutes
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We come to our first serious corner on Glendora Mountain Road, and the 2008 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Coupe delivers the unexpected. It turns into a tight left-hander with the haste and hunger of an import sport compact. Perhaps most surprising of all, it gives the impression of being happy to do it.

Instead of savoring the moment, we get back on the throttle. We hear the euphoric sigh of the turbocharger, followed by a throbbing exhaust note out the back. The sounds are distinct even to the distracted ear, and they refuse to harmonize. It's an old-school touch in a car full of new-school kit, and you realize there's quite a bit going on with the 2008 Chevrolet Cobalt SS.

It's an odd feeling, because with that familiar Chevy face and Pro Stock-size rear wing, you wonder if you're getting behind the wheel of last year's car. But give this 2008 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Coupe an hour of your time on a good road and it takes you somewhere completely different.
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Not the Same Old SS
The only hard visual evidence that we're driving a 2008 Chevrolet Cobalt SS is a set of new 18-by-7.5-inch wheels (0.5 inch wider than before).

Of course, then we go poking around under the Cobalt's hood and find the turbocharger that engineers from the GM Performance Division (GMPD) have secreted away in the back, which replaces the supercharger that used to be under the SS's hood. In addition, the 2.0-liter Ecotec four-cylinder gets continuously variable timing for its intake and exhaust valves this year. This turbocharged, intercooled Ecotec with direct fuel injection is the same engine introduced by the 2008 Chevy HHR SS.

The output gains over the former supercharged Ecotec are substantial. The 2.0-liter turbo develops 260 horsepower at 5,300 rpm and 260 pound-feet of torque at only 2,000 rpm. Compare this to 205 hp at 5,600 rpm and 200 lb-ft of torque way up at 4,000 for the supercharged Ecotec in the '07 Cobalt SS. Larger driveshafts and wheel bearings have been fitted to cope with the upgrade.

EPA estimates say the '08 Cobalt SS gets 22 mpg city/30 mpg highway. The Cobalt SS is available only with a five-speed manual gearbox, and we suspect that the six-speed manual isn't up to the torque loads. The car's final-drive ratio is also taller, now 3.82:1 versus 4.05:1.
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I Wanna Go Fast
The people who built the 2008 Chevy Cobalt SS just want to go fast. You can tell, because other than the 2008 Chevrolet HR SS, this is the only car under $25,000 that has launch control.

You pull the Cobalt SS onto the drag strip and switch the stability control into competition mode. At this point, the DIC (GM's awkward way of saying "Driver Information Center") flashes the happy message: "Launch Control." You put the clutch in, select 1st gear and push the gas pedal to the floor. The Cobalt's computer will immediately rev the engine to 5,100 rpm, and all you have to do is work the clutch. But you can't side-step it; you have to release it progressively but quickly. Get it right and the Cobalt SS makes a getaway with enough authority to churn the contents of your stomach.

To ensure the clutch has a shot at surviving the five-year/100,000-mile powertrain warranty period, the GMPD engineers tell us that they installed the largest, most robust clutch that would possibly fit and even downsized the flywheel to accommodate it. The engineers also did 600 launches on a single test car to verify their work.

For all its entertainment value, launch control is not the quickest way off the line, largely because it can't perfectly match wheelspin to actual surface conditions. Better acceleration numbers are possible with a less dramatic launch between 2,000 and 2,500 rpm that minimizes wheelspin.
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Faster Than a Mazdaspeed 3
The 2008 Chevrolet Cobalt SS uses up just 5.8 seconds accelerating to 60 mph, and it goes through the quarter-mile in 14 seconds flat at 103 mph. This is a night-and-day improvement over the supercharged Cobalt SS, which couldn't break 7 seconds for 60 mph and ran a 15.2-second quarter at 95.6 mph. In fact, the '08 Cobalt SS is, for the moment, the quickest car you can buy under $25,000.

Even the Mazdaspeed 3 can't keep pace with this Cobalt, as it posts a quarter-mile of 14.2 seconds at 100.1 mph and 14.5 at 98.7 mph. The Chevy's main advantage is that it weighs 200 pounds less. Also, you can upshift in the SS without lifting.

We're serious. GMPD created a "No-Lift Shift" software algorithm that kicks in when you're at full throttle and press in the clutch. It manipulates the engine's variable cam phasing and retards the ignition timing so the cylinder contents burn later in the cycle than they usually would, creating more energy to help the turbocharger maintain boost.

You have 3/10ths of a second to complete your shift while maintaining 95-100 percent throttle; otherwise, you experience a normal upshift with an interruption in boost. Our hottest shoes can execute a gearchange in half this time, so it's not hard to meet the time limit.

One Notch Down From Full Kill
Handling is the other half of the story about the 2008 Chevrolet Cobalt SS, which marks a shift in thinking for the chassis engineers at GM. This midcycle makeover represents a joint effort with Opel Performance Center (OPC), the tuner division of Opel that created the Astra VXR, and the upshot is that GMPD recalibrated the damping. There's more compression damping than before, but the rebound damping hasn't been dialed up a commensurate amount, so the car feels far more supple in the European style.

You feel this immediately in the '08 SS. The suspension doesn't isolate you from the corners, but instead lets you feel them while dispatching them in a controlled fashion. No matter how or where we drive this Chevrolet Cobalt, it feels highly composed but never harsh. The fact that we're saying this about a car with a torsion-beam rear suspension makes it all the more remarkable.

Roll stiffness has been increased by about 30 percent on the 2008 Cobalt SS, too, largely thanks in part to revised steering knuckles that change the front suspension geometry to raise the roll center — this effectively makes for a stiffer front end. Other upgrades include new lower control arms, stiffer antiroll bars, revised coil spring rates and wider 225/40R18 Continental ContiSportContact 2 tires.

While fine-tuning the 2008 Chevrolet Cobalt SS, GMPD chassis engineers kept a Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VII around the garage. They describe that car as "always being on full kill." The plan was to make this Cobalt "one notch down from full kill."

Show Us Your Numbers
Our Cobalt has the optional Torsen-type limited-slip differential (an absolute must with this much torque), and it works quite well with the car's standard brake-lock differential. Understeer is inevitable if you dive into a corner too hot, but it no longer defines the character of the Cobalt SS.

The 2008 Chevrolet Cobalt SS is nearly 2 mph quicker through the slalom than the old model, averaging 69.2 mph. The last Mazdaspeed 3 we tested went through at 69.3 mph, while the Saturn Astra, which shares the Cobalt's chassis but not its power, manages 69.1 mph. There's little difference in skid pad performance between the new SS and the old: 0.89g versus 0.87g. Here again, the Mazdaspeed 3 and Astra turn in numbers that are nearly identical to this.

Steering remains electric on the 2008 SS, and GMPD has quickened the steering ratio to 14.8:1. Really, you can't even tell it's electric, and we mean that in a good way.

Even the Cobalt's brakes impress us. The rotors are an inch larger front and rear on the '08 SS, and the rear discs are now vented instead of solid. And you can't miss the four-piston Brembo calipers up front. There's still a dead zone at the top of the pedal travel, but the pedal firms up nicely during harder efforts. Our best 60-to-0 stop at the test track is 115 feet. We've measured a Mazdaspeed 3 as short as 113.

Here's the Problem: Looks Matter
We can't stop talking about how well the 2008 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Coupe drives. GMPD has made up serious ground in the sport-compact wars with the 2008 Chevy Cobalt SS. This car is quicker than a Mazdaspeed 3. And the price difference is all of $20.

This is when we feel a twinge of sadness. The Cobalt SS has become a surprisingly cool car, but cool kids aren't going to give it a chance. The SS is stuck in a Cavalier-style body that just doesn't resonate with them. Poor interior packaging and down-market furnishings make it worse.

A full-blown Chevrolet Cobalt SS sedan is coming for 2009, and we expect that body style will prove more popular. But if it were up to us, we'd put all this stuff on the five-door Saturn Astra. Call it a VXR. Call it a Red Line. Either way, it'll outsell the 2008 Chevrolet Cobalt SS coupe.

[wishingfora ms3]

this car, even though looks very similar, has been changed in the certain aspects that urked me about the previous model. the seats look soooooo much better. and the wheels look a bunch better as well.
i will definately be considering this car as well when im buying my next.

[tsunami]

to bad it looks like poo...

[BlackCherry06]

MUCH better wheels IMO. If it offered a spoiler delete option, I'd consider one. Chevy should give serious consideration to an optional lip spoiler.

[Kymerik]

still ugly as sin, and lame bland interior...wouldnt touch it with a 50ft stolen pole

[Tinstar]

Scionda.

Part Scion, Part Honda.

Unfortunatley the ugly parts.

[Foolish]

MUCH better wheels IMO. If it offered a spoiler delete option, I'd consider one. Chevy should give serious consideration to an optional lip spoiler.

I believe the BAW (Big-Ass Wing) on the car in the pictures is optional. The stock wing is much more tasteful.

I actually kind of like the idea of a Cobalt SS Turbo sedan, in a bland color, de-badged and wingless as a super-sleeper commuter car. Looks like a rental, goes like a rocket! ;)

[Foolish]

This is the stock wing:
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[Donas64]

I"m a fan. I kinda like the looks (with spoiler delete) and now its got power to match it s chassis. The interior while not up to MS3 spec is at least as nice as my P5 which is good enough for me. But 2 doors is a deal breaker since it gets to be a hassle and the 4 door version, while a sleeper, just doesn't do it for me in the looks dept. So far the MS3 does the best job of being all things to all men.

[Donas64]

stock wing is much more tasteful

[wishingfora ms3]

i had no idea the tall spoiler was an option on these cars. i was under the impression that a cobalt with a tall spoiler was supercharged, or in this case turbocharged.

[TinmanMS6]

Actually, the old SS was available without the supercharger but with the big wing. Lamest. Idea. Ever.

[BlackCherry06]

Yeah, if they're gonna stick you with a spoiler, they should stick you with one that doesn't look like it belongs on a 737

[mikeyb]

Wow...I like it in the color blue.

[Rotary_Powered]

So I guess this will be the new SRT-4, I actually like the way the car (coupe ver) looks in blue. Fast as hell and with handling too. Hmmm not bad, not bad at all.

[1sty]

Hmmm.
.2 seconds faster vs a better interior, better exterior, 4 doors, hatch functionality, and far more room?
I'll take the MS3 any day over this.

[Spitfire70]

Hmmm.
.2 seconds faster vs a better interior, better exterior, 4 doors, hatch functionality, and far more room?
I'll take the MS3 any day over this.

X2

[Rotary_Powered]

Or about 20+ seconds on the Nurburg ring.....Just saying lol.

[coolmazda5]

Yummm, that looks like the Mazda Phantom Blue Mica ;). In all honesty I think Chevy did a very good job for a Cobalt, no doubt.

Steering quicker ratio? N00b question, Would be the same thing that the Mazda3 and Mazda5 have? I love that feature. The steering feels so "short" and precise compared to any other car in that price range (I was about to say "tight" but your dirty minds would work rather quick on the reply, lol)

[1sty]

Or about 20+ seconds on the Nurburg ring.....Just saying lol.


With the MS3s better handling and breaking, all be it minor, I would wager that you would not see a 20 second difference if the Colbalt would win at all.

[Rotary_Powered]

With the MS3s better handling and breaking, all be it minor, I would wager that you would not see a 20 second difference if the Colbalt would win at all.
http://www.hjo3.net/orly/gal1/orly_owl.jpg



8:22.85

Hate to break it to you bro, here's some more evidence, in the difference between the two http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

"The Cobalt SS is a very capable, very enjoyable track car. It lacks some of the refinement of the Volkswagen GTI, the space of a Mazdaspeed3, or the all-weather usability of a Subaru WRX, but makes up for it with endless brute power and an excellent chassis. If you're still not sold, just look at the car's Nürburgring class record of 8:22.85. That time smashed the Opel Astra OPC's record by 13 seconds and is 17 seconds faster than Mazda's own claim for the MS3. Not only that, it tops German magazine Sport Auto's lap times for the E36 BMW M3, the Audi S5, the Porsche Cayman S, the Lotus Exige, and the Honda S2000. The Cobalt's performance belies the fact that this little car is actually very economical; it managed to return 30 mpg on the EPA's highway cycle."
http://www.motivemag.com/pub/feature/first_steer/Motive_First_Drive_2008_Chevrolet_Cobalt_SS.shtml
So your right not 20 but 17.

[Donas64]

The difference on those times is so staggering, it has to be up to the driver. The ring is a long course and I find it hard to believe that a colbalt turbo or not is faster than an M3, Cayman S and an Exige around it. If thats true then WOW! color me impressed.

[mikeyb]

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Later this year (second quarter to be precise) the 2008 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Coupe will go on sale in the United States, and following the coupe by a few months as a 2009 Model Year Chevrolet will release the 2009 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Sedan. General Motors released a single preview image today.

The 2009 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Sedan was present at a 2008 Cobalt SS Coupe press driving event, but was not available for an actual driving session. The sedan will be powered by the same engine as the coupe, namely the 2.0 liter Ecotec engine sourced from Opel and produces 260 hp. The turbocharged engine is also found in the Pontiac Solstice, Chevy HHR SS, Opel Astra OPC and possibly even the upcoming Chevrolet Camaro if fuel prices continue to rise.

We are fully expecting performance for sedan to be very similar to the coupe, which should result in an approximate 0-60 mph time of 5.7 seconds. GM claims that the 08 Cobalt SS Coupe set a class record Nurburgring time of 8:22.85 minutes earlier this year, beating for instance the Mazda 3 MPS by 17 seconds.

The 08 Cobalt SS Coupe is priced at USD 22,995 so we are expecting the sedan to fetch a similar price at dealerships when it goes on sale, most likely the third quarter of 2008.

[CantCMe]

The coupe looks good to me.

[Foolish]

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Stealthy. Could be a very nice family hauler/commuter rocket. Just needs a small drop, and I'd like to do something about that front end...

[mazdamel2008]

My wife just went and bought a Cobalt-I told her at least go for the Sport since it is nicer and I dont like the 2.2 L Ecotec! Obviously, the SS wasnt available yet, But she traded her 2003 Chev Malibu LS (gold pkg, Leather , All power, moonroof)-that car was pretty much problem free until it rolled 100k Then the headgaskets both have And the fourcyliner...The Ecotec we had in our 2002 Cavalier Sport, was nothing but poblems...just for thought...

[CHICO2003]

Now that's loyalty!! Malibu shits the bed at 100k and your cav was nothing but problems.... yet, new Chevy here we come!! : ) Congrats... the good news for you is this car is a billion times better than either one of those abominations so you should be good.. though... as you probably know, the prevailing thought (at least here on this board) will be that you should have waited for the SS trim.

[jinzumkei]

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Stealthy. Could be a very nice family hauler/commuter rocket. Just needs a small drop, and I'd like to do something about that front end...

agreed. Very impressive car, but I just don't like the front end. Just a tad more style and refinement in the front end and it'd be a real winner.

It's nice to see the sports compact market getting more competition tho!

[turbo23]

I have to agree with the 1sty. The Mazda is just the complete package. The cobalt is right there with the mazda, but just lacks. Sure its .02 quicker or so, which should give its thanks to its no lift shifting, but overall its going to be all driver. As far as 20 seconds or whatever, 2 cars, similiar weight, similiar hp, basically similiar everything would have have a 20 sec gap. Driver, traffic, weather all come into play.

[Newf]

i do not care what Chevy/GM make, I'll never buy one. Good as competition so consumers get better deals all around, but that is it.

[Rotary_Powered]

So with employee pricing this thing became a bargain at 20,000 huh? nice

[mikeyb]

thats if you can find a Cobalt SS. There is not one in my area.

[Rotary_Powered]

really? weird. come down to MA :) For that price the car is more of a bargain. That price I could justify as oppose to 23 were the competition is harder.

[TinmanMS6]

5 coupes in my area.

...and 7 sedans.

[boostdog]

ya looks like the base ss in my area is 207XX...i say that's a bargin for the performance. But you have to think how this is going to KILLL the resale value....which is funny...of ones that have already been bought. it's just like the srt neon...fast and cheap.

[mikeyb]

I did not do an internet search. I drove around to the 6 local Chevy dealers.

[TinmanMS6]

I did not do an internet search. I drove around to the 6 local Chevy dealers.

You must've been bored. :p

[mikeyb]

You must've been bored. :p

I'm always looking at new cars. The only dealer I did not go to has a Yellow SS coupe on their lot.