GT3071R Bolt On Turbo Kit for Mazdaspeed 3

[redrocketz]

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123698403

Yeah you read that correctly. No custom fabrication needed anymore for the DP!

[trufanatic]

PLEASE STOCK UP! my order is gonna be there end of march!....any word about the 2871? since they have the exhaust housing done the 2871 shouldnt be a prob! AMEN! THANKS PG!

[driver311]

I thought everyone knew this was already on my car!


















LOl just playin, I wish. Though you know it will be very very soon.

[mrlilguy157]

uhhhh randy is taking the plunge.

i am taking the plunge. on phone with ken rightn ow.

[nypest]

uhhhh randy is taking the plunge.

i am taking the plunge. on phone with ken rightn ow.

Im looking for the 2871 any ETA ??

[mrlilguy157]

should have mine by the end of next week. they're in stock ready to go.

[nypest]

should have mine by the end of next week. they're in stock ready to go.

Well(fu) then lol..... Good for you man Lots of details(headbang)

[driver311]

be prepared for some slipping clutches past 15psi. LOL

[Derek88]

uhhhh randy is taking the plunge.

Sweet. I get to see one in person!

Randy is the best guinea pig ever, he's helping me mod my car without even knowing! Thanks bud!

I cant wait to see one of these installed.. and numbers... and track times... and customer impressions...(cool)

[palerider]

I can confirm that I ordered this and the inlet....(cool)

What a great day.... working fuel pump installed and dynoed today. New turbo shipped tomorrow.... turbo manifold going out this week....

Makes up for the fact I found out I drive like shit yesterday. The cure for poor times is 100 more hp I guess..lol

[DFv2]

And how do we plan to tune the car? I know of a few MS3's that have blown up because of the relatively poor tuning options available and bigger bolt-on turbo's now being on the market. Chicken before the egg guys...we cant ever FIGURE OUT what closes the throttle plate in the upper RPM's, how is a bolt-on ATP turbo a good idea at this point? I'm honestly curious...

[palerider]

And how do we plan to tune the car? I know of a few MS3's that have blown up because of the relatively poor tuning options available and bigger bolt-on turbo's now being on the market. Chicken before the egg guys...we cant ever FIGURE OUT what closes the throttle plate in the upper RPM's, how is a bolt-on ATP turbo a good idea at this point? I'm honestly curious...

ATPs dynos lead one to believe that it is indeed possible. And PGs MS6 has been running this turbo since the summer....

Im game to be the guinea pig. If it blows itll be because I get stupid with the boost. Id like to see what it does with stock boost, cdfp, and the stock ecu.

And also.... who has blown up an MS3?

[MS3-oholic]

I know of a few MS3's that have blown up because of the relatively poor tuning options available and bigger bolt-on turbo's now being on the market.

I know of only one MS3 with a bown motor and that was a manufacturing defect. It's funny how you make a statement like that on your First Post.

[Hypnotized]

I just want updates

[channah]

so is this turbo completely safe as a bolt on? no internals needed?? and itll get our cars at about 450 hp? very interested

[Grim~]

so is this turbo completely safe as a bolt on? no internals needed?? and itll get our cars at about 450 hp? very interested

i wouldnt say 450 hp on stock internals

[mrlilguy157]

definately not 450hp on stock internals. the highest i will go is 360whp or 370whp on stock internals. After that, depending on how it feels, I'll build the motor or leave it at that. I have a feelings that 350whp+ is going to feel INCREDIBLE, on a front wheel drive car, approaching 400whp on a street car daily is danger zone (kenny loggins playing in my head: sp?) It'll be fun, and the cams will be nice too, some day.

[udontknowjack]

be prepared for some slipping clutches past 15psi. LOL

the owner of that atp test car already said new clutch is in order

[udontknowjack]

I know of only one MS3 with a bown motor and that was a manufacturing defect. It's funny how you make a statement like that on your First Post.

(iagree)

[palerider]

the owner of that atp test car already said new clutch is in order

You know this guy?

Tell him to join the damn board. It might be nice having him around with all the stuff ATP is pumping out lately

[udontknowjack]

You know this guy?

Tell him to join the damn board. It might be nice having him around with all the stuff ATP is pumping out lately

i did ask him about the board...he said after he get home from work he dont touch the computer at all....(dunno)....i also told him how everybody on the board talkin shieet about atp....

[northmiler89]

And also.... who has blown up an MS3?


I did and at least one other guy on here. PM me if you want details.

I would super highly stress the need for upgraded rods and the NEED for a fuel pump. Remember that 18psi on this turbo is going to move alot more air than the stocker. At least get the FP.. please..blowing an engine is a pain in the ass and just super inconvienent.

[TRSpeed3]

I like the GT35R

[palerider]

I did and at least one other guy on here. PM me if you want details.

I would super highly stress the need for upgraded rods and the NEED for a fuel pump. Remember that 18psi on this turbo is going to move alot more air than the stocker. At least get the FP.. please..blowing an engine is a pain in the ass and just super inconvienent.

Ive got a fuel pump.... and I think anybody would be a complete fool to run a BT without it. The rods I think make sense too.... if youre going to go over 350 to the 380 range the atp guy was talking about.

But he said the clutch couldnt handle it.... so Im thinking anything over 350-360 were gonna have a whole new set of issues..... engine internals being just one.

[palerider]

I like the GT35R

And I like Angelina Jolie.

[TRSpeed3]

And I like Angelina Jolie.

I dont like her much....Theres no speed with a GT35R is there????(wiggle)

[palerider]

I dont like her much....Theres no speed with a GT35R is there????(wiggle)

Brother...I think if you put that turbo on your car, in about two days there STILL wont be a speed with a gt35r... Make sure you order full body armor if you make that move...lol

Seriously though.... Id just like to see what happened with it. Do eeet, I fully support you decision!!!!

[TRSpeed3]

Brother...I think if you put that turbo on your car, in about two days there STILL wont be a speed with a gt35r... Make sure you order full body armor if you make that move...lol

Seriously though.... Id just like to see what happened with it. Do eeet, I fully support you decision!!!!

SO u wanna see me put a GT35r and see how much power i can get before i blow????hahahha....Lulz....Dont worry in a little while i will post up some pics and some info on my car....(boom01)

[northmiler89]

SO u wanna see me put a GT35r and see how much power i can get before i blow????hahahha....Lulz....Dont worry in a little while i will post up some pics and some info on my car....(boom01)

Ya.. get that thing finished asap. You robbed my build so it better come out illtastic. :)

[whooosh]

I know of 2 members that "tried" the GT35r
both cars do not/did not run properly

Maybe since the MS3 will have better tuning options(not yet), you may be able to pull it off in due time though.

[palerider]

SO u wanna see me put a GT35r and see how much power i can get before i blow????hahahha....Lulz....Dont worry in a little while i will post up some pics and some info on my car....(boom01)

Im not exactly slumming over here either. But you better have a fully built motor on there....

Im not one of those goofy "the cars gonna blow" guys. But I just dont think the car will be fun to drive if thats the turbo and you dont have internals.

[TRSpeed3]

Ya.. get that thing finished asap. You robbed my build so it better come out illtastic. :)

I didnt rob your build ur in another state...lulz...they start last week of march

[TRSpeed3]

Im not exactly slumming over here either. But you better have a fully built motor on there....

Im not one of those goofy "the cars gonna blow" guys. But I just dont think the car will be fun to drive if thats the turbo and you dont have internals.

dont worry i wont let it blow....and if it dose i know the VP of operations for mazda for southeast he grew up with my pops...(glare)

[northmiler89]

yea but his build is completely different. Standalone EMS, Custom manifold, pretty much fully built engine, tuning, custom dp, the works. Not just strapping a vband onto the dp and bolting in a gt35r..

[TRSpeed3]

yea but his build is completely different. Standalone EMS, Custom manifold, pretty much fully built engine, tuning, custom dp, the works. Not just strapping a vband onto the dp and bolting in a gt35r..

SSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!stop spilling the beans soo early....(stooges)

[northmiler89]

SSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!stop spilling the beans soo early....(stooges)

There is soo much more.. thats hardly giving away anytihng (2thumbs)

[TRSpeed3]

There is soo much more.. thats hardly giving away anytihng (2thumbs)

lulz so when are u comming to florida???????when are u getting your kit???why did your car blow???get on aim...(lol2)

[Haltech]

I dont know why everyone is getting their panties in a bunch over the fucking rods. Its this simple, rods will go through the block when you get detonation. These are DI, have a higher lean rate and there isnt one single problem the MS3 has experience that the MS6 has. So fuck it, time to prove the naysayers wrong. If a Lightning can hold 500hp all day long at the wheels with a big ass Kenne Bell blower and tune with its sorry ass weak rods, this engine isnt going to have a problem. As long as you got that MRLILGUY fuel pump and keep this boost below 20 on that monster, you guys are going to hit 400hp with little effort. For those who are ultimately paranoid, add some methanol.

The drivetrain on the other hand, is going to be your weak point. Get a beefy clutch and go easy on the trans from gears 1-2 & 3. From what ive seen of the internals on this trans, the synchros look quite weak from 1-3, but get beefier from 4-6.

[TRSpeed3]

I dont know why everyone is getting their panties in a bunch over the fucking rods. Its this simple, rods will go through the block when you get detonation. These are DI, have a higher lean rate and there isnt one single problem the MS3 has experience that the MS6 has. So fuck it, time to prove the naysayers wrong. If a Lightning can hold 500hp all day long at the wheels with a big ass Kenne Bell blower and tune with its sorry ass weak rods, this engine isnt going to have a problem. As long as you got that MRLILGUY fuel pump and keep this boost below 20 on that monster, you guys are going to hit 400hp with little effort. For those who are ultimately paranoid, add some methanol.

The drivetrain on the other hand, is going to be your weak point. Get a beefy clutch and go easy on the trans from gears 1-2 & 3. From what ive seen of the internals on this trans, the synchros look quite weak from 1-3, but get beefier from 4-6.
Internals is for more piece of mind...Also for a higher boost application....i like to play safe......

[mrlilguy157]

I dont know why everyone is getting their panties in a bunch over the fucking rods. Its this simple, rods will go through the block when you get detonation. These are DI, have a higher lean rate and there isnt one single problem the MS3 has experience that the MS6 has. So fuck it, time to prove the naysayers wrong. If a Lightning can hold 500hp all day long at the wheels with a big ass Kenne Bell blower and tune with its sorry ass weak rods, this engine isnt going to have a problem. As long as you got that MRLILGUY fuel pump and keep this boost below 20 on that monster, you guys are going to hit 400hp with little effort. For those who are ultimately paranoid, add some methanol.

The drivetrain on the other hand, is going to be your weak point. Get a beefy clutch and go easy on the trans from gears 1-2 & 3. From what ive seen of the internals on this trans, the synchros look quite weak from 1-3, but get beefier from 4-6.

I like you Kevin, but the lightning is only putting 62.5hp out per cylinder, where as we're looking at 100hp a cylinder. I don't know how high I'm willing to go. If I find a good dyno that I like, maybe MAYBE maybe I'll throw in some race gas and shoot for 400whp.

360-370whp daily is more on my agenda at this point. I don't wanna be scared to drive my car.

[AutoXRacer]

I little off topic, but what does race gas do for you on the stock maps...?

[Mid_Life_Crisis]

I little off topic, but what does race gas do for you on the stock maps...?

Lets him crank the boost up.

[mrlilguy157]

race gas is higher octane (110) and is much less likely to detonate -

[Woody54]

this thread makes me want a speed3 (bang)

[nypest]

I dont know why everyone is getting their panties in a bunch over the fucking rods. Its this simple, rods will go through the block when you get detonation. These are DI, have a higher lean rate and there isnt one single problem the MS3 has experience that the MS6 has. So fuck it, time to prove the naysayers wrong. If a Lightning can hold 500hp all day long at the wheels with a big ass Kenne Bell blower and tune with its sorry ass weak rods, this engine isnt going to have a problem. As long as you got that MRLILGUY fuel pump and keep this boost below 20 on that monster, you guys are going to hit 400hp with little effort. For those who are ultimately paranoid, add some methanol.

The drivetrain on the other hand, is going to be your weak point. Get a beefy clutch and go easy on the trans from gears 1-2 & 3. From what ive seen of the internals on this trans, the synchros look quite weak from 1-3, but get beefier from 4-6.


(headbang)

[AutoXRacer]

Lets him crank the boost up.


race gas is higher octane (110) and is much less likely to detonate -

So if you run stock boost and have no adjustability in tuning (stock ECU)...race gas is useless...

Basically, the stock ECU will not take advantage of the higher octane gas...right?

[Dream]

So if you run stock boost and have no adjustability in tuning (stock ECU)...race gas is useless...

Basically, the stock ECU will not take advantage of the higher octane gas...right?


Correct, and your bearing's will thank you.

[AutoXRacer]

Correct, and your bearing's will thank you.

Bearings...? Why? (huh)

Welcome to Race Fuel 101... (lol2)

[nypest]

So if you run stock boost and have no adjustability in tuning (stock ECU)...race gas is useless...

Basically, the stock ECU will not take advantage of the higher octane gas...right?

Race gas isnt usless here! The higher octane will prevent the on-set of detonation. ***If you were to pick up knock

[Sierra117]

Sweet, another race gas discussion. And I'm not being sarcastic there, I really do like race gas discussions, lol. I dunno why. maybe the same reason I like red heads over blondes, and LOVE red heads over blondes.

Sans tuning, race gas won't do anything for you. Its too bad most people don't know that. I've run into people who claim with stock 15 second cars they've been able to run 13s on 110 octane, lol.

[nypest]

Sweet, another race gas discussion. And I'm not being sarcastic there, I really do like race gas discussions, lol. I dunno why. maybe the same reason I like red heads over blondes, and LOVE red heads over blondes.

Sans tuning, race gas won't do anything for you. Its too bad most people don't know that. I've run into people who claim with stock 15 second cars they've been able to run 13s on 110 octane, lol.

im not saying it will increase HP!

im saying it helps make for cooler combustion and less detonation which is always better IMO..... The HP comes from the ability to run more boost due to the higher octane.

[AutoXRacer]

maybe the same reason I like red heads over blondes, and LOVE red heads over blondes.

Molly Ringwald... (blarf)

I prefer blondes myself... (naughty)

[Dream]

I was always told by my tuner (Jorge from P&L) that running race gas ona pump gas map will not net you any more HP and it will take a toll on your bearings. He said something to the fact that race gas and pump gas burn at different rates and running race gas on a pump gas map will result in your bearing's getting pounded. I dont know how to explain it very well, but they way he explained it made sence.

[redrocketz]

I was always told by my tuner (Jorge from P&L) that running race gas ona pump gas map will not net you any more HP and it will take a toll on your bearings. He said something to the fact that race gas and pump gas burn at different rates and running race gas on a pump gas map will result in your bearing's getting pounded. I dont know how to explain it very well, but they way he explained it made sence.

Jorge is a pretty smart guy. I would listen to what he says, now on that note mixing race gas and regular together for a few runs down the track isn't going to do anything harmful to your engine. P&L is where we took Jason's car to tune it.

[nypest]

I was always told by my tuner (Jorge from P&L) that running race gas ona pump gas map will not net you any more HP and it will take a toll on your bearings. He said something to the fact that race gas and pump gas burn at different rates and running race gas on a pump gas map will result in your bearing's getting pounded. I dont know how to explain it very well, but they way he explained it made sence.

Race gas net's in HP due to the fact that your able to run higher boost due to the octane jump having some sense that detonation will hold off due to the cooler burn (not always ofcourse).

[nypest]

Jorge is a pretty smart guy. I would listen to what he says, now on that note mixing race gas and regular together for a few runs down the track isn't going to do anything harmful to your engine. P&L is where we took Jason's car to tune it.

hmmm i like that

[DFv2]

I know of only one MS3 with a bown motor and that was a manufacturing defect. It's funny how you make a statement like that on your First Post.

Oh, I'm sorry - I don't live on the boards, nor do I get all my info from THIS board. Christ the ************ crowd pulled the same shit when I offer up info that doesn't jive with the popular opinion.

I've personally met 2 MS3 owners who've blown their motors from going to a larger turbo with improper tuning. One guy rebuilt his motor in Stamford CT and is still running the 30R but with stock-ish boost. You act like if you didn't see/read it here it hasn't happened...? Maybe you guys chat about it here but its actually happening "out there". And by blown, I mean high EGT, melt, not hole-in-block. Its a fueling/timing issue.

BTW, nice board ;)

[Sierra117]

im not saying it will increase HP!

im saying it helps make for cooler combustion and less detonation which is always better IMO..... The HP comes from the ability to run more boost due to the higher octane.

Oh, I knew what you were saying. I was just saying that some people don't get it.

[Dream]

Jorge is a pretty smart guy. I would listen to what he says, now on that note mixing race gas and regular together for a few runs down the track isn't going to do anything harmful to your engine. P&L is where we took Jason's car to tune it.


Jorge is pretty much that man! He tuned my STi like 5 times with 5 different setups (second)

He will be tuning my MS3 as well, if he decides to get the tuning software.

[DFv2]

Race gas net's in HP due to the fact that your able to run higher boost due to the octane jump having some sense that detonation will hold off due to the cooler burn (not always ofcourse).

Or more directly if the ECU isn't pulling timing due to knock, it'l net some power.

[mazdaspeedjay]

any info on using this turbo with a basicly stock car. i.e. just a DP but stock exhaust and just the 3 " inlet what mods were done to the car on that 365HP pull ?. Any info on the 3" inlet causing problems with the maf readings and such. what are you guys using to tune this for the time being. CP-E stand back ? i'm still waiting for cobbs programmer to come out like everyone think that will work well with this set-up. I'm just really curious about this turbo and who is using it since the thread got changed to people talking about race gas.

[nypest]

any info on using this turbo with a basicly stock car. i.e. just a DP but stock exhaust and just the 3 " inlet what mods were done to the car on that 365HP pull ?. Any info on the 3" inlet causing problems with the maf readings and such. what are you guys using to tune this for the time being. CP-E stand back ? i'm still waiting for cobbs programmer to come out like everyone think that will work well with this set-up. I'm just really curious about this turbo and who is using it since the thread got changed to people talking about race gas.

There are a few guys running the atp inlet with sucess. I trird it but didnt like the fitment with the SRI so i returned it.

[redrocketz]

Jorge is pretty much that man! He tuned my STi like 5 times with 5 different setups (second)

He will be tuning my MS3 as well, if he decides to get the tuning software.

he used an Xede with great success. granted he used our computer though. We did a joint tuning on Jason's car with him.

[Dream]

he used an Xede with great success. granted he used our computer though. We did a joint tuning on Jason's car with him.

I would be willing to bet he's one of the best Cobb tuners in the county, and he's only about 7 hours from my house (rofl)

[redrocketz]

I would be willing to bet he's one of the best Cobb tuners in the county, and he's only about 7 hours from my house (rofl)

they are about 45 minutes from us we use them for the AWD dyno.

[staples187]

I think it will be interesting to see people ordering the turbo in the future and to see what the motor can actually handle with a proper tune. Trial and error is the only way to prove the amount of abuse the DISI can take. TurboXS blew their motor at 330whp and now people are saying you can run stock internals up to 350-370whp.

Then again, there's a speed 6 with the same turbo making close to 340whp with stock internals and not having any problems so far.

I'm really considering biting the bullet and doing the turbo upgrade, but am weary of pulling the motor to build it since it's going to be a total bitch.

[palerider]

TurboXS blew their motor?

[Haltech]

Yup, it was awhile ago.. goes to show you that the MS6/MS3 have different ECU controls and parameters.

[palerider]

But turboxs had a 3 not a 6....right?

[TRSpeed3]

So the race is on to see how has the fastest MS3...

[Dream]

So the race is on to see who can blow there car up the fastest...

Fixed that for you (shocked)

[TRSpeed3]

Fixed that for you (shocked)

Lulz on a good fix.....

[2.0t03speed]

hmmm im interested to see how much the motors gonna be able to hold.

[staples187]

TurboXS blew their motor?

Yeah, like Haltech said, it was a while ago. Like I've said before the thing that gets me is every person that blew their motor had the fuel cut defender on their car including TurboXS' project car.

[driver311]

Hey guys, Dream says dont run racegas so dont do it. Ill just keep on doing it and going faster than the rest of ya! LOL Race gas is gods gift to those who dont settle for what pump gas has to offer. Ive ran 100s of gallons in the last three cars Ive owned and nothing but good results here. Not to mention the 10s of thousands of evo and srt owners that dump that shit into their tank everyday and turn the wick up. Those guys must all have bad bearings! (cryhard)

[mrlilguy157]

well. i think the only 2 people in the current running for the fastest ms3 is me and palerider ;D

[driver311]

We will see about that! Maybe with me piloting his car. LOL

[Derek88]

We will see about that! Maybe with me piloting his car. LOL

You and Jon need to come to NC and shut the Caliber guys up... I'll drive someone to the track unless you all want to pile in Randy's car... then I might have him from a roll...(laugh)

[palerider]

well. i think the only 2 people in the current running for the fastest ms3 is me and palerider ;D

I cant believe nobody else has jumped on this....just on impulse alone..lol

[Haltech]

Hey guys, Dream says dont run racegas so dont do it. Ill just keep on doing it and going faster than the rest of ya! LOL Race gas is gods gift to those who dont settle for what pump gas has to offer. Ive ran 100s of gallons in the last three cars Ive owned and nothing but good results here. Not to mention the 10s of thousands of evo and srt owners that dump that shit into their tank everyday and turn the wick up. Those guys must all have bad bearings! (cryhard)

Any moron who tells me not to run racegas is obviously someone i dont ever want touching my car. Race gas vs regular fuel isnt any worse for your bearings. What should be stated is running RICH and drenching your rings in fuel is what will cause you problems with the bearings.

Ive run more race gas through my truck than regular fuel. Its been fine for 5 years..

Some things about the import scene are annyoing and one of them is the misconception of information.

[Davidb]

My ms3 loves race gas :)

[palerider]

Screw race gas. Im lucky to put 93 in my car half the time. Ive been using 87 to help me save for that turbo I have ordered. Once the turbo goes on.... I'll only have 2-3 more months of using the cheap stuff. Then it will be like I got the turbo 1/2 price.

[redrocketz]

are you seriously running 87 in your car? that is not wise and you save what maybe $3 a tank...

[Dream]

Hey guys, Dream says dont run racegas so dont do it. Ill just keep on doing it and going faster than the rest of ya! LOL Race gas is gods gift to those who dont settle for what pump gas has to offer. Ive ran 100s of gallons in the last three cars Ive owned and nothing but good results here. Not to mention the 10s of thousands of evo and srt owners that dump that shit into their tank everyday and turn the wick up. Those guys must all have bad bearings! (cryhard)


I guess Jorge doesnt know what he's talking about then.(jerkit) Your ghetto ass way of cranking the boost and running race gas with no tune is just that, ghetto. Will you make more power? Yes. Will your motor blow up? Probably not. Is it the RIGHT way to go about upping the boost on a car? NO. Anybody that thinks differently should really sell there cars and buy a civic. Good luck to you guys.

Edit, also. I ran 110 oct. race gas in my STi 90% of its life, but I was TUNED for it. Race gas is the shizzle, I had a 100whp difference from my pump to race gas map. Just do it the smart way people!

[palerider]

are you seriously running 87 in your car? that is not wise and you save what maybe $3 a tank...

come on Zach...lol My sense of humor runs dry. Wasnt anybody posting so I figured Id draw a response with that one... hopefully a chuckle too.

[Haltech]

I guess Jorge doesnt know what he's talking about then.(jerkit) Your ghetto ass way of cranking the boost and running race gas with no tune is just that, ghetto. Will you make more power? Yes. Will your motor blow up? Probably not. Is it the RIGHT way to go about upping the boost on a car? NO. Anybody that thinks differently should really sell there cars and buy a civic. Good luck to you guys.

Edit, also. I ran 110 oct. race gas in my STi 90% of its life, but I was TUNED for it. Race gas is the shizzle, I had a 100whp difference from my pump to race gas map. Just do it the smart way people!

Ill say it publically. He doesnt know what the fuck he is talking about. Ive been drag racing longer than you have been driving. Ive NEVER had bearing issues using race gas and that statement just makes me want to punch you in the throat. You CAN crank the boost up on these cars without a tune because they run RICH! This is Direct Injection incase you forgot.

Its ok Dream... your name fits you perfectly.. you can only DREAM of being a true car enthusiast.

Race gas can serve 2 purposes.. Increased timing and boost or used as a safety margin. You import guys kill me sometimes.

[staples187]

I don't understand why can't we understand the higher the octane the better it conbusts therefore making the engine run cooler and less of a chance of detonation. The only reason you would TUNE to use race gas is to get the most power possible, but you can still safely run 110 off the showroom floor without any issues. Unless I'm mistaken, then chime in.

[driver311]

Ill say it publically. He doesnt know what the fuck he is talking about. Ive been drag racing longer than you have been driving. Ive NEVER had bearing issues using race gas and that statement just makes me want to punch you in the throat. You CAN crank the boost up on these cars without a tune because they run RICH! This is Direct Injection incase you forgot.

Its ok Dream... your name fits you perfectly.. you can only DREAM of being a true car enthusiast.

Race gas can serve 2 purposes.. Increased timing and boost or used as a safety margin. You import guys kill me sometimes.


This is why me and you would get along just fine. This Dream guy spits out nothing but what others tell him. Ive been tuning, building, and racing import cars for over 10 years now. If used right race gas is very beneficial. Though my childish ways of looking at things is whats gonna put me ahead of guys like Dream who have no balls and drag race with their tail between their legs to fill the void. LOL.

Ps. I love you guys I just hate, when someone says, he said she said. Try it for yourself Dream and see yourself. Throw some 110 in your car. Turn the boost up to 22psi and see how much faster it pulls. Id be willing to bet my ass that 22psi on 110 is safer than 18psi on pump. In fact Im pretty positive. Now throwing race gas in at 14psi is probably a waste. No need and no benefit. But around 18-24psi you would have less chance of pulling timing and having any chance of detonation. Plus you could run a leaner afr and gain even more power. Thats the point of it. Not to just throw it in there. Im sure 90% of us are smarter than that. When Im on pump I tune for around 11.5ish. When on race gas I tune for 12.5ish. That little bit adds whp trust me.

[driver311]

I don't understand why can't we understand the higher the octane the better it conbusts therefore making the engine run cooler and less of a chance of detonation. The only reason you would TUNE to use race gas is to get the most power possible, but you can still safely run 110 off the showroom floor without any issues. Unless I'm mistaken, then chime in.

You are very right. You can throw that shit in there bone stock and not hurt a thing. Probably wouldnt gain anything, but it might just help a tad. I had it in there with testpipe and bc and ran 108 traps at 22-18psi. So I know it works.

[Ziggo]

As long as it isn't leaded you are not doing any harm. The 110 octane I have seen at motorcycle trackdays has all been leaded, but the guys tuned to use it never had cats anyways.

In any case, increasing the octane rating of the gas you are using is pretty much useless if thats the only thing you are doing. The higher the octane rating; the less energy it contains. It burns slower and is harder to ignite, thus making it great for keeping the detonation bogyman away, but if you haven't tuned the car then you shouldn't have to worry about detonation anyway.

[Dream]

Ill say it publically. He doesnt know what the fuck he is talking about. Ive been drag racing longer than you have been driving. Ive NEVER had bearing issues using race gas and that statement just makes me want to punch you in the throat. You CAN crank the boost up on these cars without a tune because they run RICH! This is Direct Injection incase you forgot.

Its ok Dream... your name fits you perfectly.. you can only DREAM of being a true car enthusiast.

Race gas can serve 2 purposes.. Increased timing and boost or used as a safety margin. You import guys kill me sometimes.

So basically what your saying is throw some race gas in and turn the boost up and your safe? Please clarify for me? Punch me in the throat? What do you have some kind of anger problem? Sure they run rich stock, Mazda did that on purpose so idiots like you guys dont blow up, then you map clamp, crank the boost and throw in some leaded race fuel and think your ok. And I think its funny that the cars that have blown up on here, they blame it on Mazda, man. defect. LOL

Now I see why people like Cobb and other vendors refuse to come to this site. Ricers.

[chriscecc914]

So basically what your saying is throw some race gas in and turn the boost up and your safe? Please clarify for me? Punch me in the throat? What do you have some kind of anger problem? Sure they run rich stock, Mazda did that on purpose so idiots like you guys dont blow up, then you map clamp, crank the boost and throw in some leaded race fuel and think your ok. And I think its funny that the cars that have blown up on here, they blame it on Mazda, man. defect. LOL

Now I see why people like Cobb and other vendors refuse to come to this site. Ricers.

stick a map clamp, crank the boost up and throw some leaded race fuel in an evo and a mazda and see which one blows quicker. Not blaming it all on mazda but the parts they put into these motors could be a lot better quality.

[Dream]

This is why me and you would get along just fine. This Dream guy spits out nothing but what others tell him. Ive been tuning, building, and racing import cars for over 10 years now. If used right race gas is very beneficial. Though my childish ways of looking at things is whats gonna put me ahead of guys like Dream who have no balls and drag race with their tail between their legs to fill the void. LOL.

Ps. I love you guys I just hate, when someone says, he said she said. Try it for yourself Dream and see yourself. Throw some 110 in your car. Turn the boost up to 22psi and see how much faster it pulls. Id be willing to bet my ass that 22psi on 110 is safer than 18psi on pump. In fact Im pretty positive. Now throwing race gas in at 14psi is probably a waste. No need and no benefit. But around 18-24psi you would have less chance of pulling timing and having any chance of detonation. Plus you could run a leaner afr and gain even more power. Thats the point of it. Not to just throw it in there. Im sure 90% of us are smarter than that. When Im on pump I tune for around 11.5ish. When on race gas I tune for 12.5ish. That little bit adds whp trust me.

Dude, im not disagreeing with you here! Of course if you throw in some 110 and crank the boost its going to be faster, im not disagreeing with you at all about that. I guess I come from the world of tuning Subaru's and I ALWAYS tuned for my mods. I never just threw on a b/c and turned it up, I just didnt feel safe about that. They even ran RICH in stock form. Different strokes for differnt folks I guess.

[Derek88]

I guess I come from the world of tuning Subaru's and I ALWAYS tuned for my mods..

We would too if we could. Since we can't what Driver has done is the best he/we can do with out scenario. It works.(inout)

[Dream]

We would too if we could. Since we can't what Driver has done is the best he/we can do with out scenario. It works.(inout)

Hence the reason I wait until a good ecu solution is available. (braindead

[TRSpeed3]

well. i think the only 2 people in the current running for the fastest ms3 is me and palerider ;D

Dont sell yourself short....Dont know what i got going on...lulz(spank)

[mazdaspeedjay]

You said everyone that has blown their motors were running boost cut defenders ? Were these the ATP or whom ever spacer that goes in between the MAP sensor and your screwed if you over boost or was anyone running map clamps that are adjustable when they blew their motors?

um and about the whole caliber thing mentioned before. i'd love to see a MS3 vs caliber shoot out day at a 1/4 mile track and not this crap i've been readin in motor trend and motor week where they take two stock cars. i'm talking about forum vs forum guess it would be smart to break everything into a couple classes like stock ( says itself no mods just stock ) , semi stock ( i.e. bolt ons only no turbo ugrades nitrous or meth ) , and a renegade class" couldn't think of a better name " ( this class is anything goes , nitrous , meth inj. , turbo ugrades ,etc. ) i'd drive anywhere to see that and like driver311 i use to own a srt4 prior to my speed 3. I was actually going to buy the caliber srt4 till my dealership got it and i drove it and it was nothing like the speed 3 and not worth the money. i work at a dealership that sells both the mazdaspeed line up and the dodge srt line up and both compared i did like my old neon srt4 but the caliber compared to my speed 3 i've driven both and much happier when i drove the speed 3 but i'm not starting not want to start a whole which is better the caliber or 3 so please don't change topics i'm just giving my opinion and i saw someone mentioned something like this a couple pages ago.

[redrocketz]

it's usually called outlaw class for all out cars...

[Haltech]

So basically what your saying is throw some race gas in and turn the boost up and your safe? Please clarify for me? Punch me in the throat? What do you have some kind of anger problem? Sure they run rich stock, Mazda did that on purpose so idiots like you guys dont blow up, then you map clamp, crank the boost and throw in some leaded race fuel and think your ok. And I think its funny that the cars that have blown up on here, they blame it on Mazda, man. defect. LOL

Now I see why people like Cobb and other vendors refuse to come to this site. Ricers.

Ricers? I know that comment wasnt meant toward me... On the other hand, since you seem to know dicksquat about these engines, cranking the boost to 18 psi does nothing to cause harm.

I do have an anger problem towards people like you who constantly make asinine statements based off what they hear, not what they know.

Why would i run leaded race gas when i can get 109 unleaded? I have yet to see one MS3 blow up.. they have all been MS6's, so what does that tell you?

Problem is youre a wanna be. You probably drive a corolla for gods sake. Come back when you got a car with some balls, than you can line up with my pickup and see how well you do.

This is truly why this forum sucks major balls.

[Haltech]

Dude, im not disagreeing with you here! Of course if you throw in some 110 and crank the boost its going to be faster, im not disagreeing with you at all about that. I guess I come from the world of tuning Subaru's and I ALWAYS tuned for my mods. I never just threw on a b/c and turned it up, I just didnt feel safe about that. They even ran RICH in stock form. Different strokes for differnt folks I guess.

Subies blow up if they arent tuned. They arent direct inject.. Same goes for Cobras, Lightnings, Z28's, SRT-4s or whatever else out there using traditional fuel injection. DI has a higher lean rate and these cars are pigass rich from the factory. Again, do your homework and research before spouting off.

[Haltech]

stick a map clamp, crank the boost up and throw some leaded race fuel in an evo and a mazda and see which one blows quicker. Not blaming it all on mazda but the parts they put into these motors could be a lot better quality.

Welp, tons of guys are doing it with MS3's and no kaboom. Perhaps your MS6 guys are having all the bad luck.

[mrlilguy157]

:(

<3

[palerider]

You said everyone that has blown their motors were running boost cut defenders ? Were these the ATP or whom ever spacer that goes in between the MAP sensor and your screwed if you over boost or was anyone running map clamps that are adjustable when they blew their motors?

um and about the whole caliber thing mentioned before. i'd love to see a MS3 vs caliber shoot out day at a 1/4 mile track and not this crap i've been readin in motor trend and motor week where they take two stock cars. i'm talking about forum vs forum guess it would be smart to break everything into a couple classes like stock ( says itself no mods just stock ) , semi stock ( i.e. bolt ons only no turbo ugrades nitrous or meth ) , and a renegade class" couldn't think of a better name " ( this class is anything goes , nitrous , meth inj. , turbo ugrades ,etc. ) i'd drive anywhere to see that and like driver311 i use to own a srt4 prior to my speed 3. I was actually going to buy the caliber srt4 till my dealership got it and i drove it and it was nothing like the speed 3 and not worth the money. i work at a dealership that sells both the mazdaspeed line up and the dodge srt line up and both compared i did like my old neon srt4 but the caliber compared to my speed 3 i've driven both and much happier when i drove the speed 3 but i'm not starting not want to start a whole which is better the caliber or 3 so please don't change topics i'm just giving my opinion and i saw someone mentioned something like this a couple pages ago.

something like this may be in the works at some point. I think were game for it. The local dcr guys threw out a pretty strong challenge but when we answered...... weve heard nothing but crickets.

[Anklh]

Hey, not all of us are as "all-knowing" as some of you. Why not think before you post and tone down the "E-thuggery".

I for one visit occasionally to learn and check out what is going on with products and could not care less about the other cars peeps have. Those are for other forums.

To the ones with knowledge of the Mazdaspeed 3, and want to share in a calm and respectful manner, thank you.\

I am a dreamer too, but with the resources to make it real.

[Dream]

Ricers? I know that comment wasnt meant toward me... On the other hand, since you seem to know dicksquat about these engines, cranking the boost to 18 psi does nothing to cause harm.

I do have an anger problem towards people like you who constantly make asinine statements based off what they hear, not what they know.

Why would i run leaded race gas when i can get 109 unleaded? I have yet to see one MS3 blow up.. they have all been MS6's, so what does that tell you?

Problem is youre a wanna be. You probably drive a corolla for gods sake. Come back when you got a car with some balls, than you can line up with my pickup and see how well you do.

This is truly why this forum sucks major balls.

lawl, you must be blind then. All 6's that blew up? What, do you live under a rock? And you never answered any of my questions. All you did is flex your e-penis and brag about how old you are! And for the record, my 500whp STi would have made your turd lighting seem as if it was tied to a stump. Your sig even says it, the flying brick. Come on dude, I think you need to do the research. You suggest upping boost with no tuning, go to any tuning shop and say that and you will get laughed at. (jerkit)

I think this thread has gone far enough off topic, im done posting in it!

[redrocketz]

there have been some popped MS3's. I've talked to a few on the phone pricing out some options for them.

[Haltech]

lawl, you must be blind then. All 6's that blew up? What, do you live under a rock? And you never answered any of my questions. All you did is flex your e-penis and brag about how old you are! And for the record, my 500whp STi would have made your turd lighting seem as if it was tied to a stump. Your sig even says it, the flying brick. Come on dude, I think you need to do the research. You suggest upping boost with no tuning, go to any tuning shop and say that and you will get laughed at. (jerkit)

I think this thread has gone far enough off topic, im done posting in it!

Yawn, another STi owner claiming to make 500hp and the turd gets blown out of the hole by a pickup truck making 900 pounds of torque. Check your PMs.. ill send you a link to a video of me crushing an EVO thats been modded. i let off half track and blowing through the traps at a 12.24.

If i believed in no tuning with upping boost, i wouldnt be at 22 psi on a twin screw blower, now would i?

A bone stock lighting can go 4 psi over stock with no tune, making safe power. An MS3 can go to 18 psi without a sweat.

Bring your bug eyed STi over to my hometrack here in CA. Ill race ya for pinks in my flying brick...

[Haltech]

there have been some popped MS3's. I've talked to a few on the phone pricing out some options for them.

Hasnt been much talk on the forums about it... what were the conditions that made them pop?

[jp4130]

stick a map clamp, crank the boost up and throw some leaded race fuel in an evo and a mazda and see which one blows quicker. Not blaming it all on mazda but the parts they put into these motors could be a lot better quality.

The 4G63 would is less likely to blow than probably any other I4 out there. It is also quite crude in comparison to the disi motors when it comes to technology. The mazda motor may not be steel block idestructable like the 4G63, however it is a quality piece and at the forefront of technology with Direct injection.

[whooosh]

Hey guys, Dream says dont run racegas so dont do it. Ill just keep on doing it and going faster than the rest of ya! LOL Race gas is gods gift to those who dont settle for what pump gas has to offer. Ive ran 100s of gallons in the last three cars Ive owned and nothing but good results here. Not to mention the 10s of thousands of evo and srt owners that dump that shit into their tank everyday and turn the wick up. Those guys must all have bad bearings! (cryhard)

enjoy the octane boys...

FORMULA 1
Toulene
R+M/2...114
Cost...$2.50/gal
Mixtures with 92 Octane Premium
10%...94.2 Octane
20%...96.4 Octane
30%...98.6 Octane
Notes: Common ingredient in Octane Boosters in a can. 12-16 ounces will only raise octane 2-3 *points*, I.e. from 92 to 92.3. Often costs $3-5 for 12-16 ounces, when it can be purchased for less than $3/gal at chemical supply houses or paint stores.
FORMULA 2
Xylene
R+M/2...117
Cost...$2.75/gal
Mixtures with 92 Octane Premium
10%...94.5 Octane
20%...97.0 Octane
30%...99.5 Octane
Notes: Similar to Toulene. 12-16 ounces will only raise octane 2-3 *points*, I.e. from 92 to 92.3. Usually mixed with Toulene and advertised as *race formula*.

FORMULA 3
Methyl-tertiary-butyl-ether (MTBE)
R+M/2...118
Cost...$3.50/gal
Mixtures with 92 Octane Premium
10%...94.6 Octane
20%...97.2 Octane
30%...99.8 Octane
Notes: Oxygenate. Very common in octane booster products. Has lower BTU content than toulene or xylene, but oxygenate effect makes the gasoline burn better and produce more energy.

FORMULA 4
Methanol or Ethanol
R+M/2...101
Cost...$0.60 - $1.75/gal
Mixtures with 92 Octane Premium
10%...94.3 Octane (Methanol)
10%...94.7 Octane (Ethanol)
20%...Not Recommended
Notes: Methanol is wood alcohol. Ethanol is grain alcohol and found in Gasohol in 10% ratios. Both alcohols are mildly corrosive and will eat gas tank linings, rubber and aluminum if used in excessive ratios. Main ingredient in "Gas Dryers", combines with water.

FORMULA 5
Isopropyl Alcohol and Tertiary Butyl Alcohol
R+M/2...101
Cost...$0.60-$1.50/gal
Mixtures with 92 Octane Premium
10%...94.5 Octane
20%...Not Recommended
30%...Not Recommended
Notes: Similar to Methanol/Ethanol. Isopropyl Alcohol is simply rubbing alcohol.


MAKE YOUR OWN OCTANE BOOST
How to make your own octane booster (this is the basic formula of one of the popular octane booster products). To make eight 16 ounce bottles (128 oz = 1 gal):

100 oz of toulene for octane boost
25 oz of mineral spirits (cleaning agent)
3 oz of transmission fluid (lubricating agent)

This product is advertised as "octane booster with cleaning agent *and* lubricating agent!". Diesel fuel or kerosene can be substituted for mineral spirits and light turbine oil can be substituted for transmission fluid. Color can be added with petroleum dyes.

[SPEED3TYPE2]

my buddy on here "speedboy88" got the bigger turbo we are installing this weekend gona take pics and vids. he currently runs 13.4 @ 111mph with tbe and cia and turbosmart bov. without slicks. hes about to buy some slciks from driver311 and put on the turbo and go to the track, i'll get it all on vid...:)

[mrlilguy157]

cool... pics would be appreciated!

[SPEED3TYPE2]

cool... pics would be appreciated!

there will be plenty bro!!

[sanblaster]

Warnings will be issued if you can't chill the f out. Enough already.

[mrlilguy157]

Warnings will be issued if you can't chill the f out. Enough already.

sorry - who was this directed towards?

[sanblaster]

This will be directed to all members who have a hard time discussing a topic without resorting to threats or name calling. This will stop immediately.

[SPEED3TYPE2]

This will be directed to all members who have a hard time discussing a topic without resorting to threats or name calling. This will stop immediately.

who you talken to?

[tru-boost]

i'm running 20psi on the stock turbo all day long !! i'm sure it is not efficient during excessive abuse like auto x or road racing. but for short bursts on the street or on the drag strip its all good !

[jbiird317]

who you talken to?

anyone and everyone who is arguing about this topic by insulting other members rather than having a normal discussion, cmon guys, its the internet, don't take it so serious....

[SPEED3TYPE2]

ive been playing with the stadback, i just set it to 10psi to see if I get better gas milage. I always get about 20mpg, im gonna go fillher up and run 10 psi to see if get better milage..just for s & g

[SPEED3TYPE2]

anyone and everyone who is arguing about this topic by insulting other members rather than having a normal discussion, cmon guys, its the internet, don't take it so serious....

oh ok .. I was thinken i havent been rude to anyone...

[zoomspeed3zoom]

Has anyone successfully installed the new turbo yet, and if so what kind of gains are you seeing?

[cashmoney93]

will this work for the Speed 6 as well?

[mrlilguy157]

Has anyone successfully installed the new turbo yet, and if so what kind of gains are you seeing?

i should have mine this week, installed over the weekend, i'll be sure to let you know the butt dyno, but not really, because my new intercooler wont be here until the following week :(


will this work for the Speed 6 as well?

I don't see why it wouldnt, but I cant make you any guarantees.

[palerider]

When is your turbo supposed to arrive? This week? I never heard if they shipped or not.

Well Ive got to wait until the manifold gets here too, before I start ripping stuff off. I have 2 days scheduled at my shop the 10th and 11th to get this all on and tuned. Maybe you'll beat me to it.

[TRSpeed3]

Damn u guys and getting your turbo's put on sooner...cant wait to see pics and dyno numbers...

[trufanatic]

with the current fueling available... i see mid to high 300's just slapping on a bigger turbo and manifold.

[TRSpeed3]

with the current fueling available... i see mid to high 300's just slapping on a bigger turbo and manifold.

I agree as well but tunning has a big factor....depends on how agressive u tune the car....when i had my GTO i had two maps one was 385whp and the crazy agressive tune was 410whp.....The 410whp was race map only there was no way i would drive that car daily like that...idle was crazy and timing was advanced and that map was a gas hog....

[trufanatic]

we will need a fine tune...but as rich as we run we can most definately do 340-350 easliy without a tune.

[redrocketz]

we will need a fine tune...but as rich as we run we can most definately do 340-350 easliy without a tune.

and that is how chris popped his motor...

[tru-boost]

chris ???? what member is that ?

[redrocketz]

criscecc something he put the turbo on and went out for a run and got maybe a block or 2 before it went zoom zoom boom on his ass then I built him a motor.

[tru-boost]

must be a MS6 ??? i never heard about it. did he have a fuel pump upgrade ??
i am a strong believer of "no tuning needed" on this car. its just boost. feed it fuel and all is good.

[Dream]

must be a MS6 ??? i never heard about it. did he have a fuel pump upgrade ??
i am a strong believer of "no tuning needed" on this car. its just boost. feed it fuel and all is good.


And here your saying put a larger turbo on and dont tune for it, hmmmm. (uhm)

[tru-boost]

yep i would. with a cdfp and intank pump. not without either one. why would just a new turbo require the ecu to be modded ? it is just creating boost right ? the engines sensors will see all the correct info right ? the will read the MAF and o2's and adjust as needed... just like it does on my car with
20psi. the issue arises when yo start maxing out your MAF or running out of fuel. i am willing to bet that member went lean and blew up. with a proper fuel system it would not have happened. ods are he held big boost up top and ran out of fuel. i'm sure it didnt happen at low-mid RPM. if anythin the car will run richer in the mid range beacuse the big turbo will spool up slower.

everything you know or think you know means nothing on this car. its not a WRX. this is by far the best ECU i have ever dealt with.

[Dream]

I see your view, and I have mine I guess. Thanks for not getting all pissy and start getting a sandy vagina like some would.

[staples187]

I've decided that I'm probably not going to run a bigger turbo in this car as I'm going to make this a daily driver. I am on the other hand looking for a weekender and have come across a balls to the wall clean S13 240 making about 410WHP. GT28, SR20DET with head work, bottom end, and a lot of other goodies. I just think with that type of power in a speed 3 it's going to be hard to get it to the ground. Also, the amount I'm going to have to spend on it will be close to what I'll pay for another car and I know I won't get nearly what I put into it down the road.

[trufanatic]

criscecc something he put the turbo on and went out for a run and got maybe a block or 2 before it went zoom zoom boom on his ass then I built him a motor.

i have spoken to chris a while back, he did mention that he didnt even romp on it and it basically just blew in two blocks. i've done my datalogs, our injectors are sitting at 42-45% dutycycle so we have fuel. Fine tuning will help, but simple mechanics...with the fuel we have available this car WILL put 330+ on the ground without a tune(praying the ECU lets us). I've heard the term "pig rich" since ive been screwing with cars for 12yrs now but by far the MS3 takes the cake for the biggest fuel hog i've ever owned.

on a side note, Chris' car would be the sickest in the Speed community hands down! but this friggin ECU is a joke, i really hope some vendor like AEM, Haltec or nemesis takes a look at him and develops a full or inline standalone for his car.....too much work to go to waste. i'd love to have a 5-600awhp monster.

[mrlilguy157]

i have spoken to chris a while back, he did mention that he didnt even romp on it and it basically just blew in two blocks. i've done my datalogs, our injectors are sitting at 42-45% dutycycle so we have fuel. Fine tuning will help, but simple mechanics...with the fuel we have available this car WILL put 330+ on the ground without a tune(praying the ECU lets us). I've heard the term "pig rich" since ive been screwing with cars for 12yrs now but by far the MS3 takes the cake for the biggest fuel hog i've ever owned.

on a side note, Chris' car would be the sickest in the Speed community hands down! but this friggin ECU is a joke, i really hope some vendor like AEM, Haltec or nemesis takes a look at him and develops a full or inline standalone for his car.....too much work to go to waste. i'd love to have a 5-600awhp monster.

i was under the impression that ATP put a bigger spring rate wastegate on his turbo on accident

if you're driving a big turbo car around the block, not romping on it, you'd be out of boost, which means no pressure and next to no chance of blowing the block.

maybe he forgot to put oil in? i dont know, but i don't believe that he was just cruising down the street and "pop". no boost on a 3071/3076r vs no boost on a k04 = just that, no boost, no difference.

[Rotus8]

i have spoken to chris a while back, he did mention that he didnt even romp on it and it basically just blew in two blocks. i've done my datalogs, our injectors are sitting at 42-45% dutycycle so we have fuel. Fine tuning will help, but simple mechanics...with the fuel we have available this car WILL put 330+ on the ground without a tune(praying the ECU lets us). I've heard the term "pig rich" since ive been screwing with cars for 12yrs now but by far the MS3 takes the cake for the biggest fuel hog i've ever owned.

42-45% dutycycle is just about maxed out on a direct injection engine. You can only inject during intake and compression, so 50% is all you get. (freak)

[mrlilguy157]

42-45% dutycycle is just about maxed out on a direct injection engine. You can only inject during intake and compression, so 50% is all you get. (freak)

i'll post a response to this later. i'm in class at the moment.

[trufanatic]

i'll post a response to this later. i'm in class at the moment.

im waiting for this one.... i for one didnt agree 100% with the previous statement

for reference:

http://cars.about.com/od/thingsyouneedtoknow/a/directinjection.htm

[ericrapp]

42-45% dutycycle is just about maxed out on a direct injection engine. You can only inject during intake and compression, so 50% is all you get. (freak)

That is one I'll need to to see myself. You might well be correct.

[palerider]

i'll post a response to this later. i'm in class at the moment.

well?(cricket)

[Rotus8]

i'll post a response to this later. i'm in class at the moment.
I'm ready for this too. I have been wrong before...

[winniep]

OK, in which case the dealer will NOT fix my smokescreen issue, somebody chime in and let me know of ANYTHING else I will need to make this car tunable to DD status. I will go pretty conservative on the tune as well.

GT 3071 bolt on turbo
Corksport downpipe (have)
Corksport midpipe (have)
CDFP
Xcede PnP (since Cobb will drag their feet on the tuning software...)
3" turbo inlet
ATP SRI (shame my Cobb won't work with inlet, I love that intake)
Aftermarket BPV (have)
ETS 3.5" TMIC (have and hoping it will work until I can afford a FMIC)
oil catch can
boost gauge (have)
AEM wideband
A good dyno session with a reputable tuner

Am I missing something? I am hoping that I can limp it to the tuner without hitting boost and be OK. If this is not the case, I'm sure I can round up a truck and trailer. Like I said, I REALLY hope my dealer will work with me, but you know how that goes. I am assuming that the smoking turbo won't hurt to be on the car another 3 months or so, because that is the time frame I am looking at to have all of these parts in my garage. I can take 3 months of getting laughed at at stoplights...........

[winniep]

And while I'm at it, I will go ahead and throw in a PG turbo manifold. When I am done with the install, I won't EVER want to remove all of that crap again. Although, the Corksport DP will be MUCH easier to remove than the stocker was.

[trufanatic]

OK, in which case the dealer will NOT fix my smokescreen issue, somebody chime in and let me know of ANYTHING else I will need to make this car tunable to DD status. I will go pretty conservative on the tune as well.

GT 3071 bolt on turbo
Corksport downpipe (have)
Corksport midpipe (have)
CDFP
Xcede PnP (since Cobb will drag their feet on the tuning software...)
3" turbo inlet
ATP SRI (shame my Cobb won't work with inlet, I love that intake)
Aftermarket BPV (have)
ETS 3.5" TMIC (have and hoping it will work until I can afford a FMIC)
oil catch can
boost gauge (have)
AEM wideband
A good dyno session with a reputable tuner

Am I missing something? I am hoping that I can limp it to the tuner without hitting boost and be OK. If this is not the case, I'm sure I can round up a truck and trailer. Like I said, I REALLY hope my dealer will work with me, but you know how that goes. I am assuming that the smoking turbo won't hurt to be on the car another 3 months or so, because that is the time frame I am looking at to have all of these parts in my garage. I can take 3 months of getting laughed at at stoplights...........

you should be more than set with what you have listed above and the good thing is you already have the important parts.

to start off: manifold, turbo, downpipe/midpipe and a decent intake is what you'll need

[TRSpeed3]

OK, in which case the dealer will NOT fix my smokescreen issue, somebody chime in and let me know of ANYTHING else I will need to make this car tunable to DD status. I will go pretty conservative on the tune as well.

GT 3071 bolt on turbo
Corksport downpipe (have)
Corksport midpipe (have)
CDFP
Xcede PnP (since Cobb will drag their feet on the tuning software...)
3" turbo inlet
ATP SRI (shame my Cobb won't work with inlet, I love that intake)
Aftermarket BPV (have)
ETS 3.5" TMIC (have and hoping it will work until I can afford a FMIC)
oil catch can
boost gauge (have)
AEM wideband
A good dyno session with a reputable tuner

Am I missing something? I am hoping that I can limp it to the tuner without hitting boost and be OK. If this is not the case, I'm sure I can round up a truck and trailer. Like I said, I REALLY hope my dealer will work with me, but you know how that goes. I am assuming that the smoking turbo won't hurt to be on the car another 3 months or so, because that is the time frame I am looking at to have all of these parts in my garage. I can take 3 months of getting laughed at at stoplights...........
your missing CBE/Pistons/Rods/clutch/head stud kit/manifold/colder plugs

[exxed]

your missing CBE/Pistons/Rods/clutch/head stud kit/manifold/colder plugs

I think the point is to see if the stock block can handle this kind of power. If it can, ProtegeGarage is going to get rich.

[northmiler89]

I think the point is to see if the stock block can handle this kind of power. If it can, ProtegeGarage is going to get rich.

not in that case.. he was asking if that is what he needed to make it a safe reliable dd.. he will need those parts to do so.. He isnt asking what he shouldnt do so he can test the limits, he is asking what he should do so the car becomes "reliable"

read.

[TRSpeed3]

not in that case.. he was asking if that is what he needed to make it a safe reliable dd.. he will need those parts to do so.. He isnt asking what he shouldnt do so he can test the limits, he is asking what he should do so the car becomes "reliable"

read.

Thanks...

[tru-boost]

the duty cycle thing has thrown me for a loop too, i must admit. when you say 45% duty cycle i understand 100% what that means on a standard FI car, but DI is way different. does that mean they are working at 45% during the brief period they get to spray, or is it like a standard car and that number relates to how long the injectors are open during all 4 stages of combustion ?? if that is the case and 100% would mean the injector never closes that would mean 45-50% is absolutly maxxed. i am stumped.

[trufanatic]

I think the point is to see if the stock block can handle this kind of power. If it can, ProtegeGarage is going to get rich.

honestly, i have never seen a forced induced car that cant handle 80-100+ whp over stock trip..... EVER but i might be wrong.
(old turbo dodges(wowzerz), 4g63, srt, ej20, ej25, sr20det. these are all motors from the last 10 years or so all capbale of close to 500hp. why would mazda cut a corner and skimp on the MZR?


There is too much tecnology dumped into the MZR for it not to hold up to some decent power. We gotta remember that out of 5000+ owners, we've probably had 10-12 that i kno about that blown....what about everyone else?

as soon as we get past the ECU we'll be ok.

[Rotus8]

the duty cycle thing has thrown me for a loop too, i must admit. when you say 45% duty cycle i understand 100% what that means on a standard FI car, but DI is way different. does that mean they are working at 45% during the brief period they get to spray, or is it like a standard car and that number relates to how long the injectors are open during all 4 stages of combustion ?? if that is the case and 100% would mean the injector never closes that would mean 45-50% is absolutly maxxed. i am stumped.
There is the added complexity of the fuel pump pressure, which can be controlled by the ECU - more pressure means more gas for a given duty cycle.

[trufanatic]

There is the added complexity of the fuel pump pressure, which can be controlled by the ECU - more pressure means more gas for a given duty cycle.

tru tru. the SRT4 has a static fuel pressure of 1600 psi and our is close to 1800psi i believe...the SRT's though are able to run a return line start fuels system with a RRFPR. i hope something like that is in our future, all else fails just give us bigger injectors.

[tru-boost]

There is the added complexity of the fuel pump pressure, which can be controlled by the ECU - more pressure means more gas for a given duty cycle.

i understand that, but that still doesnt tell us how much we can squeeze out of our injectors. what i want to know is how is the duty cycle for DI rated.
if the injecters were at 100% would that mean 100% non stop spray (which is not how DI works) or that they are at 100% duty within their proper spray period ? i have a feeling mrlilguy is gonna come school us on this..... i hope he does cuz i sure as hell dont know ! me personally, i think new injectors are in order. from some of the logs from laloosh and dadasracecar i have seen they still run real lean when running through the gears. and they have upgraded CDFP's ! the car will command 9.5:1 AFR but not drop below 13:1 in many cases. that tells me there is still a fuel delivery problem somewhere.

[trufanatic]

direct injected car from my reading have lean periods in the combustion process. wiki or google "engine direct injection". the technology was meant to run pretty lean somewhere in the combustion cycle. lastly, i dont see the VW and Audi guys having any problems and they have been DI for years.

[ericrapp]

What little I know is, not to use injectors beyond 75-80% cycle, and I thought they open and close in relation to the combustion point during the 4 stroke cycle. With disi I thought one was able to move injector opening moments to our advantage. I am only trying to become more educated on these subjects thanks

[exxed]

honestly, i have never seen a forced induced car that cant handle 80-100+ whp over stock trip..... EVER but i might be wrong.
(old turbo dodges(wowzerz), 4g63, srt, ej20, ej25, sr20det. these are all motors from the last 10 years or so all capbale of close to 500hp. why would mazda cut a corner and skimp on the MZR?


There is too much tecnology dumped into the MZR for it not to hold up to some decent power. We gotta remember that out of 5000+ owners, we've probably had 10-12 that i kno about that blown....what about everyone else?

as soon as we get past the ECU we'll be ok.

Almost none of those engines you listed can handle 500hp on the stock block. I also have an sr20det, the most you should run on a stock block on that motor is 350ish whp, which is even sorta pushing it. ej20's can't come close to 500hp on the stock blocks. 4g63 is gonna have crank walk at that power level on a stock block. Hell, even the tt 300zx with its extremely strong 6 cylinder engine can't really handle 500whp, i think scc's blew up in the low 400's. Srt4's also can't handle 500hp on the stock block for a very long time. And that is crank horsepower, no way any of those cars can touch that with whp, like really, it would be a bad idea.

We also aren't talking about 80-100whp over stock, you can make that with bolt on's with this car. they are stating 450 chp, which is like 390whp, about 150whp more than stock. I would be shoked if the engine could handle that much power.

To tell you the truth, I think 400whp in this car is retarded, any fwd car for that matter, you end up with two completely useless gear and one pretty useless gears. But I know alot of people are really into dragging.

[redrocketz]

my buddy ran 512whp on his stock engine SRT-4 for roughly 10K miles and had no trouble until he got greedy and cranked it up more. And you can make 500awhp on stock bottom end EVO's. AMS does it all the time by us.

[ericrapp]

So how about 365 whp, can we have that, on stock internals please!

[redrocketz]

with a really good tune possibly if we can get to 330 on a speed6 it isn't out of the realm of possibility.

[Sierra117]

Nobody ever lists the KA24DE...sigh. Supras can handle ungodly amounts of power on the stock block...

I'd really like to find the limits of our stock block...Who wants to give me money to find out?

[mrlilguy157]

Nobody ever lists the KA24DE...sigh. Supras can handle ungodly amounts of power on the stock block...

I'd really like to find the limits of our stock block...Who wants to give me money to find out?

30minutes before physics exam...

supra's automatic tran's can handle close to 700hp, lol.

1.8t vw's can handle about 350whp on stock internals.
2.0t fsi motors (JC's mainly) is at about 360whp on his stock block, and thats a 2.0l vs our 2.3l.

[ericrapp]

Nobody ever lists the KA24DE...sigh. Supras can handle ungodly amounts of power on the stock block...

I'd really like to find the limits of our stock block...Who wants to give me money to find out?

I'd like that. What kind of money are we talking about here.

[Sierra117]

I'd like that. What kind of money are we talking about here.

Money to buy a brand new motor if/when mine blows up...

[exxed]

my buddy ran 512whp on his stock engine SRT-4 for roughly 10K miles and had no trouble until he got greedy and cranked it up more. And you can make 500awhp on stock bottom end EVO's. AMS does it all the time by us.

I really doubt your buddy made that kind of power on an srt4 stock motor for that long unless he stayed off the gas alot of the time or if that was a dyno queen number on nitrous and he was really making about 400 off the bottle. And stock bottom end is not the same as stock top end, and I would hardly say they do that "all the time".

[exxed]

Nobody ever lists the KA24DE...sigh. Supras can handle ungodly amounts of power on the stock block...

I'd really like to find the limits of our stock block...Who wants to give me money to find out?

That's because KA's top end cant handle that much power, the bottom end is pretty strong. Don't get me wrong, you can build a strong turbo ka for about 2k, but whats the point, its still not carb legal and an sr20det cost 1,000 and for that extra 1k can make 300whp. Plus, they rev ALOT higher, which is nice for both drifting and road courses in cars with turbo lag.


And the supra is a completely different animal, the most powerful I6 ever built, that and the rb, but it may actually be stronger than the RB.

Wanna make 500whp on a stock engine? get an LSx.

[Sierra117]

That's because KA's top end cant handle that much power, the bottom end is pretty strong. Don't get me wrong, you can build a strong turbo ka for about 2k, but whats the point, its still not carb legal and an sr20det cost 1,000 and for that extra 1k can make 300whp. Plus, they rev ALOT higher, which is nice for both drifting and road courses in cars with turbo lag.

Neither is an SR20DET swap, LOL. And I know someone making 500whp on a stock internal KA24DE with a T04. And revving higher is an excuse for people who don't have torque.

[/hijack]

[yup24z]

I really doubt your buddy made that kind of power on an srt4 stock motor for that long unless he stayed off the gas alot of the time or if that was a dyno queen number on nitrous and he was really making about 400 off the bottle. And stock bottom end is not the same as stock top end, and I would hardly say they do that "all the time".


Plenty of people are running their srt's to 500hp+ on the stock block. Those motors are stout man... Seems like they're a dime a dozen these days...

[redrocketz]

I really doubt your buddy made that kind of power on an srt4 stock motor for that long unless he stayed off the gas alot of the time or if that was a dyno queen number on nitrous and he was really making about 400 off the bottle. And stock bottom end is not the same as stock top end, and I would hardly say they do that "all the time".

assume all you want but there was no laughing gas on his car just a big old 3076r. I saw the car on the dyno and off he beat the shit out of that car too. 4 input shafts and 2 trannies before the motor popped.

[trufanatic]

Almost none of those engines you listed can handle 500hp on the stock block. I also have an sr20det, the most you should run on a stock block on that motor is 350ish whp, which is even sorta pushing it. ej20's can't come close to 500hp on the stock blocks. 4g63 is gonna have crank walk at that power level on a stock block. Hell, even the tt 300zx with its extremely strong 6 cylinder engine can't really handle 500whp, i think scc's blew up in the low 400's. Srt4's also can't handle 500hp on the stock block for a very long time. And that is crank horsepower, no way any of those cars can touch that with whp, like really, it would be a bad idea.

We also aren't talking about 80-100whp over stock, you can make that with bolt on's with this car. they are stating 450 chp, which is like 390whp, about 150whp more than stock. I would be shoked if the engine could handle that much power.

To tell you the truth, I think 400whp in this car is retarded, any fwd car for that matter, you end up with two completely useless gear and one pretty useless gears. But I know alot of people are really into dragging.

no disrespect but i dunno what planet you are from but people are doing 430-450awhp out of the ej20 and ej25(safely) for years, 4g63's have been doing 450-500whp on stock bottom end, talk to buschur and AMS. I've owned a gt30 SR20det GTi-R nissan pulsar 390awhp all day. i've also owned a SRT-4 417whp, current owner has been @ 482 for the past three years...breaking axles left and right and tearing up the 03' tranny but its still going. so as i was saying....all these motors are capable of 500hp and i think everyone else basically agreed with me.

We can do it, there are quite a few speed6's that are over 300+whp with a gt30, times that by 15-20% depending on the power you make and that should equate to somewhere around 330+whp for us. There should be no doubt that we're safe, all i want from this car is 330-360whp. Shit anything over 330 makes the car useless in the first three gears but having that kind of power is a reassurance.

[ispypsi]

i guess i can't escape the sr vs ka arguments, even on a damn mazda board :-\

there is always going to be a select few people who have ridiculous numbers, and even out of that group, there is a smaller few who have pretty good longevity at those high levels. i find it funny though, when most people just want to have stupid high numbers, when there are guys out there touching 10s with ~400whp. [coughdrivermodcough]

what i am interested in, is to learn more about DI and what it will take for it to sustain a respectable, but not excessive, amount of power. i think 350whp (with torque numbers hovering around 400ft-lbs) is more than enough to propel any MS3 to easy 11 second timeslips (with driver mod), and is perfect for a road course. (note: i like having about 20-30hp more than i need on a road course, allows for some throttle modulation)

[Sierra117]

i guess i can't escape the sr vs ka arguments, even on a damn mazda board :-\

Its the whole JDM thing.


what i am interested in, is to learn more about DI and what it will take for it to sustain a respectable, but not excessive, amount of power. i think 350whp (with torque numbers hovering around 400ft-lbs) is more than enough to propel any MS3 to easy 11 second timeslips (with driver mod), and is perfect for a road course. (note: i like having about 20-30hp more than i need on a road course, allows for some throttle modulation)

+1. On our front driver with our gearing, I would be perfectly happy with around 350 wheel, and 400-410ftlbs. I wouldn't want any more unless I was building the tranny and running slicks to handle it all.

However...I also wouldn't mind going the AMS/Burschur Evo route. Big power numbers with good times.

[exxed]

i guess i can't escape the sr vs ka arguments, even on a damn mazda board :-\

there is always going to be a select few people who have ridiculous numbers, and even out of that group, there is a smaller few who have pretty good longevity at those high levels. i find it funny though, when most people just want to have stupid high numbers, when there are guys out there touching 10s with ~400whp. [coughdrivermodcough]

what i am interested in, is to learn more about DI and what it will take for it to sustain a respectable, but not excessive, amount of power. i think 350whp (with torque numbers hovering around 400ft-lbs) is more than enough to propel any MS3 to easy 11 second timeslips (with driver mod), and is perfect for a road course. (note: i like having about 20-30hp more than i need on a road course, allows for some throttle modulation)


I agree completely.

[exxed]

Neither is an SR20DET swap, LOL. And I know someone making 500whp on a stock internal KA24DE with a T04. And revving higher is an excuse for people who don't have torque.

[/hijack]

Yeah, my point was neither are carb legal, so I don't see the point of a boosted ka, but to each his own.

[exxed]

no disrespect but i dunno what planet you are from but people are doing 430-450awhp out of the ej20 and ej25(safely) for years, 4g63's have been doing 450-500whp on stock bottom end, talk to buschur and AMS. I've owned a gt30 SR20det GTi-R nissan pulsar 390awhp all day. i've also owned a SRT-4 417whp, current owner has been @ 482 for the past three years...breaking axles left and right and tearing up the 03' tranny but its still going. so as i was saying....all these motors are capable of 500hp and i think everyone else basically agreed with me.

We can do it, there are quite a few speed6's that are over 300+whp with a gt30, times that by 15-20% depending on the power you make and that should equate to somewhere around 330+whp for us. There should be no doubt that we're safe, all i want from this car is 330-360whp. Shit anything over 330 makes the car useless in the first three gears but having that kind of power is a reassurance.


You have a link of an ej20 making 450 awp on the stock block? Never seen it on a stock block before, never even seen close to it, on a 100% stock block. And stock bottom end, again, is not stock block.

All I remember from a 500whp srt4 is the first video I saw on srtforums when the car went boom about 20 minutes after install. But who knows, I could be wrong,but just about every car with that kind of power has a built motor that I have seen on those forums. If your gonna spend money to go that big, might as well do it right.

[mrlilguy157]

We can do it, there are quite a few speed6's that are over 300+whp with a gt30, times that by 15-20% depending on the power you make and that should equate to somewhere around 330+whp for us. There should be no doubt that we're safe, all i want from this car is 330-360whp. Shit anything over 330 makes the car useless in the first three gears but having that kind of power is a reassurance.

worst. math. ever. 300/10 (10%) = 30hp. At 15/20%, that'd be 45-60hp.

350whp+

we'll see.

[detsilverms3]

You have a link of an ej20 making 450 awp on the stock block? Never seen it on a stock block before, never even seen close to it, on a 100% stock block. And stock bottom end, again, is not stock block.



come here to michigan and i'll show you six or seven without flinching.

and as far as your carb thing too, not every state in the country has carb laws that are enforced. here i could no cats all day for the next ten years and not worry about emissions and i know that a lot of states have different rules and regulations that allow for newer cars to not get tested for 5 years. but anyway continue....i'm sure you had a point some where.

[Dream]

Im a Subie guy and im not sure I have seen a EJ20 (WRX 2l block) put out 450whp either, am I reading this right? The EJ257 (STi, LGT, 06+WRX) 2.5 block will crank out near 500whp on the stocker.

[jbiird317]

If your gonna spend money to go that big, might as well do it right.

I agree whole heartedly. While I am not looking to upgrade my turbo or crank out 350+HP just yet, if I was, I think there is no sense in not doing it the right way. You guys can argue as much as you want about whether or not this motor (or any motor) can handle all this power on a stock block, the point is, why risk it and waste your money only doing half the job? If you go forged at the same time you will exponentially reduce the risk of blowing a hole in the block and increase the overall quality of the car. Just doesn't make sense to me to do it any other way...

[trufanatic]

Im a Subie guy and im not sure I have seen a EJ20 (WRX 2l block) put out 450whp either, am I reading this right? The EJ257 (STi, LGT, 06+WRX) 2.5 block will crank out near 500whp on the stocker.

im from an island where all we drive are jdm vehicles, nothing american because they are too expensive to import. Read my thread, u will notice that i said 430-450awhp for the subies and then said 500hp...big difference between whp and hp. i have MANY Sti buddies here in miami that have stock block Sti's in that range, actually thats a typicallity with GT35 or FP red upgrades. And do some looking around, the ej20 thats used in the JDM STi is one ROBUST mofo.

This is coming from a gear head who at 16 got a 2000 evolution 6 TME for his birthday, i've dealth with my share of cars...trust me

[Sierra117]

This is coming from a gear head who at 16 got a 2000 evolution 6 TME for his birthday, i've dealth with my share of cars...trust me

I wish my 'rents were that cool. I got a Rav4.

[trufanatic]

You have a link of an ej20 making 450 awp on the stock block? Never seen it on a stock block before, never even seen close to it, on a 100% stock block. And stock bottom end, again, is not stock block.

All I remember from a 500whp srt4 is the first video I saw on srtforums when the car went boom about 20 minutes after install. But who knows, I could be wrong,but just about every car with that kind of power has a built motor that I have seen on those forums. If your gonna spend money to go that big, might as well do it right.

again no disrespect but how many turbo cars have you owned?

i personally knew the owner of that 03' solar yellow srt-4, he was the first person to hit that kind of horsepower on the srt's static fuel system with a FPR and using stock injectors and a SAFC II..absolutely no engine management. Next, he was in 500hp trim for close to 3 months before it blew with numerous track passes and im 100% sure you didnt get that 20 minute BS story from the srtforums, if so i dare you to refer me to a thread: 80% of srt's that have 450hp plus do NOT have built blocks. lastly, do some trolling @ the sti, evom, sr20 and srt forums before you say anything else anymore wrong than you already have. This is how rumors and lies get started on the net.

Anyway just some background and fyi i've owned: srt4, galant vr-4, 4g63 swapped conquest tsi, Evolution 6 TME, Evolution 5(uncles), Evolution III gsr, nissan GTi-r sunny(moms) and pulsar, Rb25det r33 skyline(grand dads), 91 procharged mustang, 2 supercharged Tbirds, 1 Cougar xr7 SC and 3 talon tsi's. My ms3 is the only car i've ever financed and i'm apart of just about all the car communities related to the vehicles i listed above, so i can reassure you that the last thing you'll ever get from me is statistics or hearsay and i will admit when im wrong about things or when im unsure but when its comes to the platforms we're discussing...im usually not.


come here to michigan and i'll show you six or seven without flinching.

and as far as your carb thing too, not every state in the country has carb laws that are enforced. here i could no cats all day for the next ten years and not worry about emissions and i know that a lot of states have different rules and regulations that allow for newer cars to not get tested for 5 years. but anyway continue....i'm sure you had a point some where.

x2...the boys here in miami play hard and i'll never sleep on any sti or wrx from a roll

[tru-boost]

aahhhh...... enough with the crap that has no relation to our cars what so ever ! mrlilguy.... come school us on DISI injection .

[trufanatic]

aahhhh...... enough with the crap that has no relation to our cars what so ever ! mrlilguy.... come school us on DISI injection .

ditto. i've been waiting two days homie...usually your a post whore. i guess class is keeping you busy.

[ericrapp]

Boy that was quite a ride.! And fun too. now really, what can the long block do?

[trufanatic]

Boy that was quite a ride.! And fun too. now really, what can the long block do?

me?

if you are talking about my evo, it came from japan with just over 330awhp and was slightly modded when we brought it over, my grand dad never wanted me to own a really fast car. The caribbean is a turbo lovers dream because we dont drive american cars, just cheaper to import. Reason i messed with so many cars is my grand dad use to own an import company and on many a weekend when i went to the lot and saw something i like i'd basically just take the keys and a dealer plate until the car was sold. I was spoiled! i kno.

[ericrapp]

yea you were!

[Demi]

yea you were!

Not to pick on you and WAY OT but this has to stop
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[trufanatic]

Not to pick on you and WAY OT but this has to stop
Main Entry: 1yea
Pronunciation: \ˈyā\
Function: adverb
Etymology: Middle English ye, ya, from Old English gēa; akin to Old High German jā yes
Date: before 12th century
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you are so wrong, we all know what he was saying. short hand and typos are a peeve of mine also but i dont bother people.(scratch)

[ericrapp]

Not to pick on you and WAY OT but this has to stop
Main Entry: 1yea
Pronunciation: \ˈyā\
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Verily, I say unto ye and thine ilk; heretofore my transgressions into the swirling tempest will leesen as I ascend the spritual stairway that leadeth me to most apprapos diction And now I bid you good day sir and may the graces of merriam webster be with you anon


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[ericrapp]

me?

if you are talking about my evo, it came from japan with just over 330awhp and was slightly modded when we brought it over, my grand dad never wanted me to own a really fast car. The caribbean is a turbo lovers dream because we dont drive american cars, just cheaper to import. Reason i messed with so many cars is my grand dad use to own an import company and on many a weekend when i went to the lot and saw something i like i'd basically just take the keys and a dealer plate until the car was sold. I was spoiled! i kno.

Why ,spoiled you were dear sir and ya das ist ser gut herr tru

[Moonpie.Express]

^^^^

Yea!

[ericrapp]

Geez you guys I thought I used it right thank you for the heads up! peace>

[Demi]

you are so wrong, we all know what he was saying. short hand and typos are a peeve of mine also but i dont bother people.(scratch)
Say what you want but this is a huge mile stone in furthering this forum.....ahem*. :D

^^^^

Yea!

Lol


Geez you guys I thought I used it right thank you for the heads up! peace>

See? He gets it, i was just giving the heads up. Sorry if it came off a bit anal but I see it everywhere.