Scion TC Ques

[Hypnotized]

Guys i was in a discussion today with some car people at work today and I they said that a modded Scion TC with a blower etc etc can give the MS3 a run. I doubted this at first but after further dicussion it sounds like that car has the potential. Does anyone have friends with one that can clue me in? Im just curious because I dont hear much talk about this car at all.

[bbychvz]

Well with the supercharger it's 205bhp
our car is 263bhp we win ... also I think both cars weigh the same.

But I have heard that the engine is almost bullet proof therefore if you turbo charge the car some guys report getting close to 300 WHP

again this is only "what I heard".

[justanothermp5]

yes it has the potential, theres one that was featured in a magazine not to long ago, was pretty sick, and it was turbo'ed and supercharged
sick sick SICCCKK!!! 2.4 liter engine with that on it? prob blow past the MS3
but just a blower or turbo prob pretty close, the scion weighs more then the ms3 i belive so that might be a factor

[justanothermp5]

take a look : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WskDefCOtgs&feature=related

[SwampAss]

I trust no one with after market turbos and superchargers. They seldom stop at that. Usually when someone puts that much money and time into something, they go all out.

[Hypnotized]

Well the particular car we were talking about has a supercharger, pulley, header, exhaust plus ecu.

[oskinosmee]

my brother has a 07 tc and with a 75shot he is car and a half behind me. Those things are a ok with me. BTW his mods are I/CBE/Pulley/75shot. Pretty nice but i only paid 5k more for my car.
TC weighs 2900LBS
Speed 3 3150LBS

[Hypnotized]

I thought we would get more power with modding the MS3 then the TC. Just wanted to see what everyones thoughts were.

[jville]

I know someone with a Garret T3/4 turbo setup, and it won't get out of its own way. It got whooped by a stock saturn redline ion.

[oskinosmee]

I thought we would get more power with modding the MS3 then the TC. Just wanted to see what everyones thoughts were.

You could take a supercharged one easy. My brother said the TRD supercharger is junk they only run high 14s to low 15s.

[NCZ13]

the autotragic tCs making even less to the wheels than the manual ones. i read somewhere a guy dynoed at just under 130 or something with an auto.

[Hypnotized]

I thought those cars had good internals. I was guessing low 14's on a moderately modified one.

[oskinosmee]

I thought those cars had good internals. I was guessing low 14's on a moderately modified one.

Not supercharged. Nitrous and turbo are in a whole different catagory.

[boosted3]

Why is it that videos showing 12 second cars are well over a minute long?
I don't need to see you stage or burn out... 15 seconds is fine.

[Hypnotized]

Low 12's are nice though.

[Sierra117]

You could take a supercharged one easy. My brother said the TRD supercharger is junk they only run high 14s to low 15s.

+1. On another forum I frequent, one of the members has a tC. He said he was gonna go the full TRD route...till he learned that with the TRD Blower it can barely break 15s, LOL!

[iknospd3]

what's up guys i wrecked my 05 scion tc last jan which is why i got the ms3 but these are the mods i had on the car and what it ran
trd supercharger, NST 65mm pulley, trd springs and struts, hotchkis front and rear sway bars , trd axel back exaust , apr front splittler
14.57 was the fastest 1/4 mile time i got heres a few pix of the car & supercharger

[Aaron2112]

Its BULL, My friend has one. With the TRD super charger. It currently makes about 215 Whp. its fast but a cobalt ss with a tbe and a smaller pully has beat it silly. it wont give the MS3 a run through the twisties either the underbody is a toyota Celica which isnt that stiff. Oh and they arent intercooled out of the factory either, you better believe that thing gets HOT the supercharger is hotter to touch than his header but that thing is heat wraped.

AH he doesnt have tbe forgive me its a full exhaust though from the new header back.(thats the ss, i know both owners)

[Bochet]

boo, it's a centrifugal blower on the tC. lame. do the tCs run the 1ZZ-GE engines or the 2ZZ? The 2ZZ-GE with a PD blower would be like a backwards Exige.

[subparpunk03]

Neither, the tc uses the 2AZ-FE I4 from the ol' camry. The new corolla xrs is gonna use that engine too.

The zz engine family is run in the corolla, matrix, celica and mr2-s.

There are some mr2-s's out there with 2zz engine swaps and rotrex superchargers. They are NASTY. they'll destroy an elise/exige without blinking an eye.

[subparpunk03]

oh and also I think the trd blower is a roots style, not centrifugal.

[Aaron2112]

its centrifugal, not roots.

[subparpunk03]

You're right. The trd supercharger for the 1zz corolla, and the greddy supercharger for the celica are both roots, I was thinking of those. The tc one is def centrifugal.

I stand corrected.

I do not miss my toyota days.... turbo mazda ftw!

[blkspdfreak]

my buddy had a t3/t4, intercooler, 3" exhaust into an apexi muffler, msd, fuelrail, bigger injectors and some other parts and he was boosting up to 18 psi and beating evo's. its quick but he sold it because he didnt think it was going to hold up much longer.

[jaydubz]

Anyone asking this question about the TC must not know too much about this car. It has pencil thin rods, which are known to snap with high end mods such as turbo or superchargers, the TRD super charger is a step in the right direction but will only net the car a just under 200hp, which is safer for the TCs weaker parts. They are good looking cars, but far from fast, I am 100% even a modified version would not pose a threat to a stock MS3

[oskinosmee]

Anyone asking this question about the TC must not know too much about this car. It has pencil thin rods, which are known to snap with high end mods such as turbo or superchargers, the TRD super charger is a step in the right direction but will only net the car a just under 200hp, which is safer for the TCs weaker parts. They are good looking cars, but far from fast, I am 100% even a modified version would not pose a threat to a stock MS3

Weak? They got better internals then our cars i bet, if not better then pretty close. Try putting a turbo on a regular 3 and boost 15psi and see what happens.

[jville]

Weak? They got better internals then our cars i bet, if not better then pretty close. Try putting a turbo on a regular 3 and boost 15psi and see what happens.

He was refering to a MS3. Any stock N/A motor boosted 15psi is gunna be stressed beyond breaking point.

[jaydubz]

Weak? They got better internals then our cars i bet, if not better then pretty close. Try putting a turbo on a regular 3 and boost 15psi and see what happens.

Your kidding right?!?! What would lead you to believe that?

[oskinosmee]

They have forged internals and have been proven to be able to handle it. Check out the scion forums there are quite a few TC's with 500whp on stock internals. They dont say how long it runs but they are there. From my brother having one and seeing it get pushed, please dont doubt there engines as they are very strong way stonger than you guys think.

[Renzokuken]

Those TC guys are always trying to run up on me. For some reason i feel there is quite an overabundance of these in my town, I havent run into one that can even come CLOSE. Regardless, Im sure the car has "potential" but were talking big money upgrades, like forged parts and crap like that.

[jaydubz]

They have forged internals and have been proven to be able to handle it. Check out the scion forums there are quite a few TC's with 500whp on stock internals. They dont say how long it runs but they are there. From my brother having one and seeing it get pushed, please dont doubt there engines as they are very strong way stonger than you guys think.

then why would toyota put such a beefy motor in a heavy chassis and not add more power? I am sure the car is a great car for average use, maybe even light modding, but it is a Camry motor meant for longevity and fuel efficiency. Your brother may think he has a rocket but there is a reason you dont see a ton of these cars around with 250 or 300 hp.

[oskinosmee]

then why would toyota put such a beefy motor in a heavy chassis and not add more power? I am sure the car is a great car for average use, maybe even light modding, but it is a Camry motor meant for longevity and fuel efficiency. Your brother may think he has a rocket but there is a reason you dont see a ton of these cars around with 250 or 300 hp.

There is more than you think every single one you see with a front mount will prolly pull on you. Dont believe me try and see, camry motor the damn V6 camry is faster in a 1/4 mile than our car say motor trend. So saying its a camry is a honor. I'm not trying to bash your ride or anything but they deserve more credit than you give.

08 Tc $18,500+ $5,000 for turbo kit and supporting mods=$23,000 with at least 300whp.
Trust me buddy there are so many here in MD.
Check this out http://youtube.com/watch?v=0ClTjZcEG3s

[smakdown61]

then why would toyota put such a beefy motor in a heavy chassis and not add more power? I am sure the car is a great car for average use, maybe even light modding, but it is a Camry motor meant for longevity and fuel efficiency. Your brother may think he has a rocket but there is a reason you dont see a ton of these cars around with 250 or 300 hp.

Toyota is very known for overbuilding their engines...especially the v6. The 3VZ-FE in the mid 90s camry's could hold 450whp on stock internals (forged steel crankshaft and giant cast rods). The 5VZ that the stuck in the 3rd gen runners was only rated at 185 hp, but was also tested to withstand 450 stock and over 900hp built.

[Renzokuken]

They have forged internals and have been proven to be able to handle it. Check out the scion forums there are quite a few TC's with 500whp on stock internals. They dont say how long it runs but they are there. From my brother having one and seeing it get pushed, please dont doubt there engines as they are very strong way stonger than you guys think.

I take that back, they come with forged internals, WOW. Thats nice must be great for modding, but with just those TRD upgrades and the S/C Still no competition, BUT yeah, Im sure if they threw a big snail on there and go 20 psi then were shit out of luck.

[oskinosmee]

I take that back, they come with forged internals, WOW. Thats nice must be great for modding, but with just those TRD upgrades and the S/C Still no competition, BUT yeah, Im sure if they threw a big snail on there and go 20 psi then were shit out of luck.

100% agree TRD S/C TC is junk and will never keep up with a stock MS3

[Captain KRM P5]

i've been to plenty of shows where stock engine TCs are making 300 to 400whp with no internal modification. the engine is tough.

[mrlilguy157]

noice. i've got a big TC friend. he's got a hott car and wants to go turbo sometime. who's got the best kit out there?

[Captain KRM P5]

noice. i've got a big TC friend. he's got a hott car and wants to go turbo sometime. who's got the best kit out there?

this is something you should PM me about :D

[Aaron2112]

It wont do it i watched a race yesterday. My buddy Juan ran his TC which has a lot of mods and is running about 215 hp against the Speed3 that drives by my school. he lost...badly.

Oh and yeah the toyota engine is tough as nails. ive had one apart and its not at all bad.(my school is for mechanics, im learning to be one, and we have toyota t-ten in the school so ive been around these care a lot now)

[kneedragger241]

Ever hear the saying that goes something like "you can mod a Civic to go faster than a Ferrari, but at the end of the day it's still a Civic"?

So someone throws a bunch of money at a Scion TC because once modded, it has the potential to be as fast as a stock MS3 and that's supposed to prove something? All it proves is that someone spent a lot of money to make a slow car go fast when they could have just bought the faster car to begin with.
Since the focus seems to be on potential, why not do a comparison where the same amount of money is spent modding both cars to reach their respective potentials?

[oskinosmee]

Why does almost everyone in this thread think that the MS3 is gods gift to cars? Dont get me wrong i love mine but i know its not nowhere near the best. You guys are just too cocky just like the SRT and cobalt SS/redline guys.

[ragindark]

http://www.dragtimes.com/Scion-tC-Timeslip-4223.html

2005 Scion tC 2 Door Coupe

1/4 Mile ET: 12.592
1/4 Mile MPH: 111.120
1/8 Mile ET: 8.147
1/8 Mile MPH: 87.460
0-60 Foot ET: 1.949

Mods:

Engine: 2AZF-TE
Turbos: GARRETT GT35R BALLBEARING
Boost Control: Turbo Smart E-Boost
Boost Pressure (psi): 13psi
Intercooler: Scion Speed 3
Headers (downpipe): Scion Speed
Midpipe: Scion Speed
Exhaust: Scion Speed Dual
Computer ECU Chip Upgrade: Stock/SDS EFI
Battery: Spiral Cell
Spark Plugs: NGK #8 Iridium
Fuel Pump: Walbro 255lph
Clutch/Torq Conv: Clutch Masters Twin Disc
Differential: Phantom Grip
Flywheel: Clutch Masters Aluminum
Shifter: TWM Short Shifter
Suspension: Tein Coilovers Electronic Adjust
Wheels: 19X8 PIIA Super Rozza
Brake Rotors/Pads: Wilwood 6 piston calipers 13
Tires: Nitto

[Aaron2112]

Ive heard the phrase it might be a srt4 but at the end of the day its still a neon.

And in all truth the Scion Tc with all the mods probably comes close to the same price as the MS3 a little over but they start at around 17k where the MS3 is at 22 and good luck getting one out the door for less than 25. so pour in the money to the lil toyota and you have a car thats better in the insurance companys eyes and is fast enough to spank a lot of cars out there.

still not my style but hey it takes all kinds. As far as MS3 being gods gift to all cars it simply isnt, its just his gift to the hatch world.

[1sty]

The reality is that ANY car, and I dont give a damn which one, that is produced to produce 170 hp will not sustain an increase to 300 hp with a BAJESUS of modifications. Even if the engine can take it, the tranny wont, or the axle wont, or the cooling system wont, or the fuel pump wont, or the clutch wont.

So here is the real test: If you have a stock Mazdaspeed3 and you want to judge it against a modded car, race it 5 times in a row. I promise you that the modded car is gonna be hurting if even capable of finishing all 5 races.
An off the shelf turbo system is almost never comprehensive enough to make a car really sustain that power increase. Nor is it usually installed correctly and backed up by a proper EMS.

Why is reliability so easy to outright ignore for increased power?

Using the previous example of the civic and ferrari
The Ferrari will run a 1/4 mile or 4 mile course all damn day. The Modded civic will not last half the day.

[Aaron2112]

true the modded car may not if the mods are done only to the engine a wise car owner looking to beef up thier car will do things to the components that hook that engine power to the wheels so in contrast to that if its done right it just might outrun the other cars.
And on that note dont expect the Tc with the TRD supercharger to outlast an MS3 ever, they arent intercooled so the air going in is always hot, hot, hot. and even though that motor is strong it sure as hell aint that strong.

[1sty]

Unless we are talking tens of thousands of dollars, no one does what it takes to make a car solid for mods like a turbo that doubles the cars power output. Most everyone just fixes crap as it breaks. The reason that the TRD system does not have more power is because the car cant take it. The engine...nothing else can. Also with Toyota selling millions of cars a year based on their reputation of reliability, they are not going to compromise that reputation.

[Aaron2112]

ehh torque dampners some axles and a clutch/flywheel upgrade will keep you in the race. the engine will need to stay fairly stock so true not to much boost can be made cause stock internals wont handle it. but 300 hp out of the scion with the mods listed above will be a long runner. its still ugly though

[1sty]

not without an EMS and a good tune

[jville]

ehh torque dampners some axles and a clutch/flywheel upgrade will keep you in the race. the engine will need to stay fairly stock so true not to much boost can be made cause stock internals wont handle it. but 300 hp out of the scion with the mods listed above will be a long runner. its still ugly though

LOL they are still ugly. (upyours)