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TinmanMS6
01-28-2008, 01:16 PM
According to the latest Kelley Blue Book Marketing Research study, the vast majority of in-market new-vehicle shoppers do not see diesel as a likely mainstream fuel source in the future.

The January 2008 results reveal that only six percent of shoppers think diesel is most likely to succeed in becoming a mainstream vehicle powertrain type, compared with 40 percent saying hybrids, 20 percent saying hydrogen fuel cell and 17 percent citing flexible-fuel systems.

Interest in diesels is steadily declining among in-market new-vehicle shoppers, while interest in hybrids continues to grow. The gap between shoppers' interest in diesels versus hybrids has greatly widened particularly in the last month, with the nine-point gap in December 2007 jumping to a 17-point gap in January 2008. When asked about their perceptions of diesel engines, nearly half of in-market new-vehicle shoppers say they are dirty and noisy. In addition, the latest study shows that shoppers increasingly believe that diesel-powered vehicles get poorer fuel mileage than conventional gasoline engines, and fewer consumers are seeing diesels as fuel-efficient.

"Many automakers are looking toward diesels as a very workable solution for the future, especially in light of the recently passed energy bill, but the results of this study should give them pause and make them realize they need to do a better, more thorough job of winning over the American consumer," said Jack R. Nerad, executive editorial director and executive market analyst for Kelley Blue Book and kbb.com. "Clearly many Americans still think of the dirty diesels of the past and are not aware of the benefits of new clean-diesel technology. Some manufacturers, such as Volkswagen with its 'Diesolution Tour,' are doing their part to ensure consumers are educated about today's diesels. However, not enough is being done by the auto industry as a whole to help American consumers understand the benefits of modern-day diesel technology."

While diesel consideration and favorability are declining in the eyes of in-market new-vehicle shoppers, hybrids continue to gain favor. In addition to hybrids being seen as the most viable mainstream powertrain choice, interest in hybrids has steadily increased in recent months, with 61 percent of shoppers saying they are interested in hybrids in the latest study. When asked about the premium they are willing to pay for a gas/electric hybrid over a traditional gasoline-powered version of the same vehicle, this month shoppers are willing to pay an average premium of $3,135, up from an average premium of $2,645 a month ago in December 2007.

When asked about which hybrid vehicles they would consider for their next purchase or lease in the latest study, in-market new-vehicle shoppers cite the Honda Civic as most popular with 35 percent. The next most-popular models are the Ford Escape and Toyota Highlander, each garnering 23 percent. Toward the bottom of the consideration list is the vehicle that arguably put hybrids on the mainstream map -- the Toyota Prius -- which only garnered 12 percent of the consideration.

"As auto manufacturers look toward development of future products and technologies, it's important for them to track, trend and understand current perceptions among in-market new-vehicle shoppers," said Rick Wainschel, vice president of marketing research and brand communications for Kelley Blue Book. "Knowing where shoppers stand on these issues also can help manufacturers devise successful marketing campaigns to ensure proper education about new technologies and ultimately, success in the sales of their future products."

TinmanMS6
01-28-2008, 01:18 PM
It took a remarkable amount of restraint for the title of this thread not to be "Study shows new-car shoppers are retards."

evilmonkeyMSP
01-28-2008, 01:20 PM
when i think of diesels I still think of trucks and old mercedes LMAO

orlandomsp
01-28-2008, 01:22 PM
Seems over half of new car shoppers are retarded. (braindead

1Sleepy93
01-28-2008, 01:46 PM
No one ever sees a "clean diesel" because more than likely they assume it's gas powered. Dirty diesels are easy to spot however, with their huge plumes of sooty smoke. That's my $0.02

Oh and most shoppers are retarded. :p

dmitrik4
01-28-2008, 04:36 PM
It took a remarkable amount of restraint for the title of this thread not to be "Study shows new-car shoppers are retards."

my initial reaction as well.

however, car companies could do a better job advertising the benefits of diesel. most people would be shocked that they could have a Jetta-ized car pulling down 40+ mpg.

TinmanMS6
01-28-2008, 04:49 PM
my initial reaction as well.

however, car companies could do a better job advertising the benefits of diesel. most people would be shocked that they could have a Jetta-ized car pulling down 40+ mpg.

I think it's kind of a chicken and egg thing. Nobody's going to talk up diesels because they don't have one on the market, but nobody wants to bring one to market because the uninformed buyer doesn't want them.

RacerXGirl
01-28-2008, 05:41 PM
Doesn't Mercedes have the Bluetec diesel?

TinmanMS6
01-28-2008, 05:42 PM
Doesn't Mercedes have the Bluetec diesel?

Yeah, they do, but they don't market them very actively. I believe at this moment, though, Mercedes and Jeep (Grand Cherokee) are the only companies with diesels in the market other than HD trucks.

seanmcsean
01-28-2008, 08:51 PM
The days of the noisy dirty diesel have long since passed. America needs to wake up.

I'd buy a diesel honda fit the moment it hit our shores.

Raynman
01-28-2008, 09:14 PM
The days of the noisy dirty diesel have long since passed. America needs to wake up.


Amen, brother. Turbo diesels will save us all.

protojason
01-28-2008, 09:17 PM
I was shopping for a jetta tdi before i fell into a hellova deal on my protege5 back in 2003. Did a lot of reading and was sold on diesel...

Course, it's my mazda that turned me into a 'car guy'. (and at 13.5k new it was half the price of the jetta) It's definitely an uninformed mass of people taking that survey in my opinion. I've wondered how long it will be until they couple diesel with hybrid technology instead of gas.

Mercedes blutec seems interesting....

My grandfather has a 77 Mercedes 240d. Merc has a pretty good reputation as bullet proof diesel engines. . .. it just so happens this one isn't turbo'd. Yup....that's all of 65 horsepower baby! I drove it....you floor that thing and it feels like you should have your foot out the door pushing it flintstone style to help it along...

I still think it's a neat car though. I see biodiesel ala mythbuster style in it's future. (glare)

--jason

downtube
01-28-2008, 10:52 PM
there's a reason they call it a jetta TDI instead of a jetta diesel.

shopper: "diesel, ick. TDI, that sounds cool!"

Foolish
01-28-2008, 11:01 PM
Study_shows_new-car_shoppers_do_not_think_of_diesels_as_mainstream

They needed a study to know this?

Also, this:


The gap between shoppers' interest in diesels versus hybrids has greatly widened particularly in the last month, with the nine-point gap in December 2007 jumping to a 17-point gap in January 2008.
...is a BS statistic. Did the perception of diesels actually change that much in a month or did they just poll different people? Seriously, which seems more likely?

flipstylex
01-28-2008, 11:16 PM
diesel, ? isnt that for trucks and mercedes ..... what is diesel ???

TinmanMS6
01-28-2008, 11:21 PM
I've wondered how long it will be until they couple diesel with hybrid technology instead of gas.

You know, that sounds like a good idea, but then you think about how much extra you pay for a diesel, and how much extra you pay for a hybrid, and it doesn't seem like such a good proposition anymore. That's not even approaching the subject of the complexity of the vehicle at that point, and how many things there are to break.

Raynman
01-29-2008, 12:02 AM
Diesel? Isn't that for trucks and mercedes?

Not anymore (http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/04/detroit-08-preview-v12-diesel-powered-audi-r8-tdi-to-be-unveil/).

protojason
01-29-2008, 12:48 AM
diesel, ? isnt that for trucks and mercedes ..... what is diesel ???

Heh...didnt a diesel win the 24hrs le mans this time around? Check out this sound. . .

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=725508734205477101

--jason

happy and angry
01-29-2008, 12:20 PM
Diesels don't sell well in North America because the first few diesels that hit the market in the late 70's weren't very refined or just plain garbage. For example, the 5.7 GM Diesel motor in the 70's and 80's. It was a rebuilt Olds 350, but they didn't reinforce it enough. Diesels run much higher compression, and are built to handle the extra stress, but not this one! Failure rates were very high.

They also used to be loud, smelly, and dirty. Used to be. 25 years ago.

These are not problems anymore, but diesels still have a lot of trouble getting market share outside of the truck segment because the big three won't try and sell/advertise any.

On average diesels get about 30% more MPG, and diesel as a fuel is about 30% more powerful by volume than gas. This (and twin turbos) is why a relatively small V6 in the BMW 335D can put out 420 lb/ft of torque from about 1700 to 5000 RPM wear it redlines.

People being just plain ignorant about some of the advantages of diesel is absolutely maddening, especially when it remains pigeonholed as a bad fuel because of 25 year old technology.