Should we have concern? *Caliber SRT4 content*

[lazyboi808]

(nailbyt)


http://thumbs.streetfire.net/da102a2e-fba1-4050-8480-9a1c0153d1ed.jpg (http://videos.streetfire.net/video/da102a2e-fba1-4050-8480-9a1c0153d1ed.htm)Darrell Cox Racing's CSRT-4 runs 12.5 at 117Mph 349hp/393tq (SAE/5) Intake Exhaust, WGA, injecors, tune... and 407hp/460tq (SAE/5) 35 wet shot (http://videos.streetfire.net/video/da102a2e-fba1-4050-8480-9a1c0153d1ed.htm)


jk..lol(wedge)

[wishingfora ms3]

dont u guys have someone on here with similar times without nitrous?

[Captain KRM P5]

why is this a concern? a fast turd is still a turd at the end of the day. will it be easier to get power out of an SRT than a mazdaspeed? yes of course, its a domestic vehicle with traditional fuel injection so you're going to see alot of go fast goodies for these shitboxes right out of the gate.

does it matter? i don't think so. they can't handle worth a lick, they're uglier than dirt, they're minivan tall and made of the same grade materials inside and out as a fisher price toy from the late 80s. from that standpoint, mazdaspeed3s finish so far ahead of them in every respect its nothing to worry about.

if you are stoplight to stoplight or straight up drag racer, then i suppose yes, you have something to worry about. me personally, i think the mazdaspeed so far out classes this angle ridden heap its not even funny.

[CX-7owner]

why is this a concern? a fast turd is still a turd at the end of the day. will it be easier to get power out of an SRT than a mazdaspeed? yes of course, its a domestic vehicle with traditional fuel injection so you're going to see alot of go fast goodies for these shitboxes right out of the gate.

does it matter? i don't think so. they can't handle worth a lick, they're uglier than dirt, they're minivan tall and made of the same grade materials inside and out as a fisher price toy from the late 80s. from that standpoint, mazdaspeed3s finish so far ahead of them in every respect its nothing to worry about.

if you are stoplight to stoplight or straight up drag racer, then i suppose yes, you have something to worry about. me personally, i think the mazdaspeed so far out classes this angle ridden heap its not even funny.

Don't forget that brake lock differential, which is superior to the real thing, Dodge says(freak). We have nothing to worry about, that ugly POS has thousands poured into it, looks like it was on slicks(had different wheels upfront), anywhere else besides the engine modability and the MS3 is superior, our engine is superior, though, way more refined.

[LordWorm]

hahah that thing is a tub....

Its not on slicks as best as i can tell.... but certainly is running different rubber up front...probably drag radials or some chubby street tires.....

Seems to me that the biggest limiting factor on the MS3 is the injection system. Considering that turbo converted 3's can make astronomical power... has anyone considered converting back to a conventional injection system? or is this just so unfeasable as to make it stupid?

[Fudgie]

So Ken........ how do you really feel?????????:D





why is this a concern? a fast turd is still a turd at the end of the day. will it be easier to get power out of an SRT than a mazdaspeed? yes of course, its a domestic vehicle with traditional fuel injection so you're going to see alot of go fast goodies for these shitboxes right out of the gate.

does it matter? i don't think so. they can't handle worth a lick, they're uglier than dirt, they're minivan tall and made of the same grade materials inside and out as a fisher price toy from the late 80s. from that standpoint, mazdaspeed3s finish so far ahead of them in every respect its nothing to worry about.

if you are stoplight to stoplight or straight up drag racer, then i suppose yes, you have something to worry about. me personally, i think the mazdaspeed so far out classes this angle ridden heap its not even funny.

[boost_me]

why is this a concern? a fast turd is still a turd at the end of the day. will it be easier to get power out of an SRT than a mazdaspeed? yes of course, its a domestic vehicle with traditional fuel injection so you're going to see alot of go fast goodies for these shitboxes right out of the gate.

does it matter? i don't think so. they can't handle worth a lick, they're uglier than dirt, they're minivan tall and made of the same grade materials inside and out as a fisher price toy from the late 80s. from that standpoint, mazdaspeed3s finish so far ahead of them in every respect its nothing to worry about.

if you are stoplight to stoplight or straight up drag racer, then i suppose yes, you have something to worry about. me personally, i think the mazdaspeed so far out classes this angle ridden heap its not even funny.


++++++++++++1
wow...! i hope those mini van guys aren't reading this... lmfao!!!

[Betelgeuse]

why is this a concern? a fast turd is still a turd at the end of the day. will it be easier to get power out of an SRT than a mazdaspeed? yes of course, its a domestic vehicle with traditional fuel injection so you're going to see alot of go fast goodies for these shitboxes right out of the gate.

does it matter? i don't think so. they can't handle worth a lick, they're uglier than dirt, they're minivan tall and made of the same grade materials inside and out as a fisher price toy from the late 80s. from that standpoint, mazdaspeed3s finish so far ahead of them in every respect its nothing to worry about.

if you are stoplight to stoplight or straight up drag racer, then i suppose yes, you have something to worry about. me personally, i think the mazdaspeed so far out classes this angle ridden heap its not even funny.

Well said! The engine is great, it's everything around it that's the problem.

[SwampAss]

Caution, fanboi agitating content below:



I saw the SRT4 Caliber in person yesterday for the first time. I think it looks better than the MS3. I didn't test drive it. But all in all it's a sharp looking ride. I love the big honking intercooler you can see through the grill. It's flippin bad assed.

[Betelgeuse]

Caution, fanboi agitating content below:



I saw the SRT4 Caliber in person yesterday for the first time. I think it looks better than the MS3. I didn't test drive it. But all in all it's a sharp looking ride. I love the big honking intercooler you can see through the grill. It's flippin bad assed.

Well it will appeal to some people, just like the aztec or the older scion xb.

[SwampAss]

how dare you compare me to someone who likes the Aztec! (nervous) heh

[Betelgeuse]

how dare you compare me to someone who likes the Aztec! (nervous) heh

haha, if you like the looks of the Caliber you might as well like the Aztec. To me it looks like the bastard child of an Aztec that took it up the tailpipe from a horny Dodge ram.

[SwampAss]

you go to hell! You go to hell and you die! :-p

[Betelgeuse]

http://www.thetorquereport.com/2007_dodge_srt4-thumb.jpg

http://image.automotive.com/f/miscellaneous/2008-dodge-caliber-srt4-to-tune-couple-relationships/7230855+w629+cr1+re0+ar1/2008-dodge-caliber-srt4-rear-leftjpg.jpg

http://www.edmunds.com/media/reviews/top10/05.trucks.worst.residual.value/05.pontiac.aztek.500.jpg

http://www.automedia.com/NewCarBuyersGuide/photos/2005/Pontiac/Aztek/SUV/2005_Pontiac_Aztek_ext_1.jpg


YUCK!!!(evil)

[jville]

Its still a chrysler product. Being a mechanic i deal with the differences in quality materials and workmanship all day. There is not comparing the two, you wanna compare apples to apples compare it to a pt cruiser, or an big rig because its just as ugly as both. Mopar=More problems not more power

[RADAR THIS]

http://www.thetorquereport.com/2007_dodge_srt4-thumb.jpg

http://image.automotive.com/f/miscellaneous/2008-dodge-caliber-srt4-to-tune-couple-relationships/7230855+w629+cr1+re0+ar1/2008-dodge-caliber-srt4-rear-leftjpg.jpg

http://www.edmunds.com/media/reviews/top10/05.trucks.worst.residual.value/05.pontiac.aztek.500.jpg

http://www.automedia.com/NewCarBuyersGuide/photos/2005/Pontiac/Aztek/SUV/2005_Pontiac_Aztek_ext_1.jpg


YUCK!!!(evil)


+1

[numbnuts22715]

that thing is hideous, inside and out.
Who cares if he runs a 12.5.
Laloosh ran the 12.9 with a lot less power(im assuming anyway) and a lot less mods. Shitty winter tires as well, no competition.

[Totmacher]

Hi Pot, Meet Kettle :rolleyes:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c160/lazyboi_808/box8center7mf0.jpg
http://www.thetorquereport.com/2007_dodge_srt4-thumb.jpg

[bbychvz]

looks like he had launching issue's.

[1QWIK7]

Thats the ugliest car i have ever seen. I think the reason why people ACTUALLY BUY them is because they rather get something in the same class for the dollar thats NOT a japanese car.

So when they do this and this to it, they can say, "american power".

Im all for american power as well but this car looks ugly, i dont care if it runs 10s stock. Its the biggest box of shit i have seen.

[Betelgeuse]

Hi Pot, Meet Kettle :rolleyes:



You need to see an optometrist if you think those look anything alike.

[MakeMeGoFast]

Am I the only one who noticed the gay background music?

[palerider]

Hi Pot, Meet Kettle :rolleyes:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c160/lazyboi_808/box8center7mf0.jpg
http://www.thetorquereport.com/2007_dodge_srt4-thumb.jpg

Rwutt-row....we got company Scooby...lol Good to see you over here, James. But I have to agree with the other posters in that there is not much comparison in the way the cars look.

However.... I think the Caliber is actually kinda cool. It looks like a little monster truck. Fact is... Srt4 guys simply have always been about straight line speed. High power.. unbreakable engines... slicks.... american truckracing ftw!! The SRT is kinda cool in that its different and fast. Even looks a little boss. In person the interior isnt half bad either.

The MS3 is a better car for me... IMO. Better on the track, nicer interior, handles better, still competitive in a straight line.... Both cars are cool.

Finally.... everybody get your jabs in now at the Caliber. Because in a few months when the new Cobalt hits then were gonna have our hands REALLY full. the car can handle, and that is gonna invade our turf for real. But neither the Cobalt or the MS3 is gonna have the king of power title as long as the SRT4 is at the party. It'll win hands down. thats what it was made for.

Lots of nice options for everybody...... and more coming. I wish I had one of all of them.

[jville]

Thats the ugliest car i have ever seen. I think the reason why people ACTUALLY BUY them is because they rather get something in the same class for the dollar thats NOT a japanese car.

So when they do this and this to it, they can say, "american power".

Im all for american power as well but this car looks ugly, i dont care if it runs 10s stock. Its the biggest box of shit i have seen.

And to think their "american power" is all based off ideas/parts from DSM.
like i said Mopar=More problems not more power.

[CX-7owner]

The SRT-4 in that video has a serious problem hooking up, I bet it's because of the fact that it lacks a real LSD.

[Young Roids]

Am I the only one who noticed the gay background music?

lol, I was like WTF!?

[HiggyGT]

Rwutt-row....we got company Scooby...lol Good to see you over here, James. But I have to agree with the other posters in that there is not much comparison in the way the cars look.

However.... I think the Caliber is actually kinda cool. It looks like a little monster truck. Fact is... Srt4 guys simply have always been about straight line speed. High power.. unbreakable engines... slicks.... american truckracing ftw!! The SRT is kinda cool in that its different and fast. Even looks a little boss. In person the interior isnt half bad either.

The MS3 is a better car for me... IMO. Better on the track, nicer interior, handles better, still competitive in a straight line.... Both cars are cool.

Finally.... everybody get your jabs in now at the Caliber. Because in a few months when the new Cobalt hits then were gonna have our hands REALLY full. the car can handle, and that is gonna invade our turf for real. But neither the Cobalt or the MS3 is gonna have the king of power title as long as the SRT4 is at the party. It'll win hands down. thats what it was made for.

Lots of nice options for everybody...... and more coming. I wish I had one of all of them.

Well said.

[Eddie Wetzel]

You guys are hating an aweful lot on the Caliber SRT4.

WHy?

One of you said how TALL it is. If you look at the specs, it's about 1"-2" taller than an MS3! It's NOT that much taller! It's not "minivan tall" as someone mentioned. Look it up. It's also not as wide as the MS3, which means it is bound to have more body roll. However....... it handles great. The lane change test in R&D was very good.

You guys should stop be so foul mouthed towards it. Most of the time, when that happens it's only because of 2 reasons.... jealousy.... or fear.

[CX-7owner]

You guys are hating an aweful lot on the Caliber SRT4.

WHy?

One of you said how TALL it is. If you look at the specs, it's about 1"-2" taller than an MS3! It's NOT that much taller! It's not "minivan tall" as someone mentioned. Look it up. It's also not as wide as the MS3, which means it is bound to have more body roll. However....... it handles great. The lane change test in R&D was very good.

You guys should stop be so foul mouthed towards it. Most of the time, when that happens it's only because of 2 reasons.... jealousy.... or fear.

Oh PLEASE, I hate it and I don't even own what's competition to this ugly POS, it looks Minivan tall and feels like an SUV with the poor seating position.

The black plastic trim up on top isn't helping either, it just brings attention to the tall boxy profile the body has.

[Eddie Wetzel]

you have driven one?

So you know how quickly it gets up and goes... you spun the tires, felt the torque?

You have taken into the twisties and felt how well it handles?

and what is ugly to you may not be to someone else.... just take your girl for example! hahaha just kidding! just had to say it.

but seriously. because you hate it doesn't mean ANYTHING bro. It doesn't mean it's a POS, or ugly. And you can't honestly say it's minivan tall without giving some numbers. and as soon as you do that you are going to force me to get my ass up and get the magazine with the specs on them both. which will prove it's only 1"-2" taller than an MS3.

so, WHY r u hating on it so much? Is it jealousy or fear?

[jville]

you have driven one?

So you know how quickly it gets up and goes... you spun the tires, felt the torque?

You have taken into the twisties and felt how well it handles?

and what is ugly to you may not be to someone else.... just take your girl for example! hahaha just kidding! just had to say it.

but seriously. because you hate it doesn't mean ANYTHING bro. It doesn't mean it's a POS, or ugly. And you can't honestly say it's minivan tall without giving some numbers. and as soon as you do that you are going to force me to get my ass up and get the magazine with the specs on them both. which will prove it's only 1"-2" taller than an MS3.

so, WHY r u hating on it so much? Is it jealousy or fear?

Fear, jealousy? Are you serious? Like I said b4, being a mechanic i deal with the VAST differences in quality parts/workmanship everyday. From MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCES the dodge chysler products are of a lesser quality than anything mazda offers let alone anything else on the import market in the same area. It just so happens that dodge also made it ugly and even more easy to hate on. Everybody step right up i'm sippin and serving Hate-er-ade for the dodge caliber.(drunk)

[palerider]

You guys are hating an aweful lot on the Caliber SRT4.

WHy?

One of you said how TALL it is. If you look at the specs, it's about 1"-2" taller than an MS3! It's NOT that much taller! It's not "minivan tall" as someone mentioned. Look it up. It's also not as wide as the MS3, which means it is bound to have more body roll. However....... it handles great. The lane change test in R&D was very good.

You guys should stop be so foul mouthed towards it. Most of the time, when that happens it's only because of 2 reasons.... jealousy.... or fear.

It handles good for a truck...lol. This sucker DOES NOT handle good. Its not even in the same ballpark as us. The power and setup, make it difficult to pass on two lane. Ive heard that straight from the horses mouth. My tuner is the "red sheds" tuner and trust me.... they have serious issues even making sure the damn thing can stay straight on the dragstrip. Watch the video. Its jerking all over the place. Its a drag truck/ crossover.... compare it to the CX7 if you want.

[Young Roids]

I am jelouse of a a couple things about it like the front mount intercooler and better straight line performance. But there is no way I want to be seen in one much less buy one.

[3.slow]

My friend had the srt4 neon and he popped the motor TWICE before 24k miles. I like the idea of turbo 4 bangers going at it. The more competition there is, the better. I just wish they made something in RWD for pete's sake.

[lazyboi808]

lol..........................im not worried lol....

[Aaron2112]

one thing to add the csrt4 put up .84g on the skid pad a Tacoma x runner puts up a .90g on the skid pad...thats a truck for gods sake.

[happy and angry]

Wow another penis measuring contest about the MS3 and the Caliber SRT-4 as if it means/proves anything. I really do want to read all these delightfully witty and insightful posts on the subject.

[dkswim]

i think chevy eill be able to make the most power going off the basis thet chevy will have there racing parts available out of the box for it. i think the chevy will be a little cooler seeing how it is a 2 door coop. that CSRT-4 was owned and tuned by the guy that has one of the fastest NSRT-4 the srt will be easier to tune but hay we have a beter interior and we dont look like poo.

[boostdog]

i think chevy eill be able to make the most power going off the basis thet chevy will have there racing parts available out of the box for it. i think the chevy will be a little cooler seeing how it is a 2 door coop. that CSRT-4 was owned and tuned by the guy that has one of the fastest NSRT-4 the srt will be easier to tune but hay we have a beter interior and we dont look like poo.


lol..man for a second i thought i was on a honda forum..lol! straight line ability.. the caliber has more to offer...really it's what ever your into..want to autox buy an ms3..want to drag race buy a csrt. the csrt will go faster...heck dcr only had the car 2 weeks and were running those times...where are the ms3 vendors? why have hardly any of them stepped up to the plate like dcr and a host of other vendors? if the car is so damn good and is so nice why has the aftermarket taken years to do anything with it? really these are ?'s that i have been wanting answers to for a long time with this car.

[CX-7owner]

lol..man for a second i thought i was on a honda forum..lol! straight line ability.. the caliber has more to offer...really it's what ever your into..want to autox buy an ms3..want to drag race buy a csrt. the csrt will go faster...heck dcr only had the car 2 weeks and were running those times...where are the ms3 vendors? why have hardly any of them stepped up to the plate like dcr and a host of other vendors? if the car is so damn good and is so nice why has the aftermarket taken years to do anything with it? really these are ?'s that i have been wanting answers to for a long time with this car.

What's your point anyway?
You don't have one.
DCR is SRT happy and if they want to pour money in something that can't even hook-up right, do so.

[Oneurt]

you have driven one?

So you know how quickly it gets up and goes... you spun the tires, felt the torque?

You have taken into the twisties and felt how well it handles?

and what is ugly to you may not be to someone else.... just take your girl for example! hahaha just kidding! just had to say it.

but seriously. because you hate it doesn't mean ANYTHING bro. It doesn't mean it's a POS, or ugly. And you can't honestly say it's minivan tall without giving some numbers. and as soon as you do that you are going to force me to get my ass up and get the magazine with the specs on them both. which will prove it's only 1"-2" taller than an MS3.

so, WHY r u hating on it so much? Is it jealousy or fear?

Eddie I've read the exact article comparing both the MS3 and the SRT4, and that again is just an opinion. You don't need to be so critical about it. The exact same thing is happening over at the srt4 boards too, bashing the MS3. As for his comment about the minivan appearance, well quite frankly to him it just looks that way, so why can't you just let it go and leave it as his opinion of the car.

Sure during the lane change test it beat the MS3, but the MS3 has better stopping distance, roadholding, and well not cheap interior plastics. It did get praise for its good stability through corners though. But the in the end the car still felt cheap, and unrefined.

So if you want to bash this opinion its the opinion of a magazine.

As for the Cobalt, doesn't it sit in a different category of car since it is a coupe. It would be compared to the likes of the Civic or something like that..

Either way that Cobalt will have some nice power with factory performance upgrades, but have they improved on the interior quality...?

[boostdog]

What's your point anyway?
You don't have one.
DCR is SRT happy and if they want to pour money in something that can't even hook-up right, do so.

apparently you can't read..beacuse my point was stated many times...look at the sentences that end with ?'s(hi)

[CX-7owner]

Just because you asked questions doesn't mean you had a point.

[boostdog]

Just because you asked questions doesn't mean you had a point.

your ignorant(chair)

[CX-7owner]

You're ignorant(chair)

You're;) ignorant, the Aftermarket hasn't opened up on the MS3 because Vendor's don't see the potential to make big money.

[clos561]

dont u guys have someone on here with similar times without nitrous?

+1, laloosh and driver311 ftw...

[Sierra117]

Big deal, it ran a 12.5. I have enough of a limit that I could call up Ken and say "Hey, I want my MS3 to be faster", give him my credit card number, and run a faster time. And then these guys will spend more. Then I'll spend more. And the cycle continues. With the right amount of money, any car can be made fast, and thats what happened in this situation. These guys just spent the money first.

[clos561]

Big deal, it ran a 12.5. I have enough of a limit that I could call up Ken and say "Hey, I want my MS3 to be faster", give him my credit card number, and run a faster time. And then these guys will spend more. Then I'll spend more. And the cycle continues. With the right amount of money, any car can be made fast, and thats what happened in this situation. These guys just spent the money first.

this is very ture, like i told laloosh too, the also have time and free dyno to run and tune on whenever they want, unlike the typical modder which pays for tuning and is limited, plus they have alot of experience and a TEAM of guys.

[Eddie Wetzel]

Eddie I've read the exact article comparing both the MS3 and the SRT4, and that again is just an opinion. You don't need to be so critical about it. The exact same thing is happening over at the srt4 boards too, bashing the MS3. As for his comment about the minivan appearance, well quite frankly to him it just looks that way, so why can't you just let it go and leave it as his opinion of the car.

Sure during the lane change test it beat the MS3, but the MS3 has better stopping distance, roadholding, and well not cheap interior plastics. It did get praise for its good stability through corners though. But the in the end the car still felt cheap, and unrefined.

So if you want to bash this opinion its the opinion of a magazine.

As for the Cobalt, doesn't it sit in a different category of car since it is a coupe. It would be compared to the likes of the Civic or something like that..

Either way that Cobalt will have some nice power with factory performance upgrades, but have they improved on the interior quality...?


I know it. HAHA. I've been on forums forever, I had a showcar and put lots of time and money into it. I have been part of forums for years, and it's fun to see people get all riled up, and to rile them up by saying something. You and I know the bottom line bro.... it's whatever YOU want, not what others think. But it's a good hoot to watch and read people on forums "go off" on people, or rather, words that go against them. I was merely playing Devil's Advocate!


And someone mentioned about DCR dumping money into something they can't hook up right? How did you figure that? Tuners already have over 400 HP and 12.5 traps! How do you think it's not "hooked up" right? From the factory? It's just as fast as the MS3, so where is it not HOOKED UP right? It has lots more aftermarket support than the MS3, so how is it not hooked up right?

Maybe the reason they have such a hard time making it go straight is the fact it has 400HP ON THE FRONT WHEELS! duh. (smash)

again, (laugh), just being the devil's advocate here to start shit! I don't own either car! Haven't driven either, and only sat in the CSRT, and it was uncomfortable for a guy as big as myself (6'2", 225,wide shoulders).

[CX-7owner]

Are you retarded, I said it couldn't HOOK UP(launch), the MS3 has no such problem because of the LSD&better DBW, the MS3 can pull 12 second quarter miles without nearly as much money spent, and without the major pulling to one side off the line, if there weren't any professionals behind the wheel the CSRT-4 would have probably smashed into the side wall.

[clos561]

csrt4 has optional lsd...(hippy)

[Chicoloco]

But the in the end the car still felt cheap, and unrefined.

(braindead

suure.

[CX-7owner]

csrt4 has optional lsd...(hippy)

Where?

[boostdog]

csrt4 has optional lsd...(hippy)

no it does not..it comes standard with the brake proportion lsd..which is inferior to the lsd that the ms3 has.

[boostdog]

Are you retarded, I said it couldn't HOOK UP(launch), the MS3 has no such problem because of the LSD&better DBW, the MS3 can pull 12 second quarter miles without nearly as much money spent, and without the major pulling to one side off the line, if there weren't any professionals behind the wheel the CSRT-4 would have probably smashed into the side wall.


lol...it was tracking not torque steering..I thought/asked the same thing and per dcr it was not torque steer but rather tracking side to side in the groove of the track. give it 6 months and you'll be seeing a completely diff car that'll be running 11's...And i would not be suprised if it were on the stock turbo..it already has the hp/tq ..just need to get past the dbw issue.

[clos561]

no it does not..it comes standard with the brake proportion lsd..which is inferior to the lsd that the ms3 has.

my bad, i was thinking 08 cobalt, yea i remembered this thing is brake diff (doh)

[Kosh]

why is this a concern? a fast turd is still a turd at the end of the day. will it be easier to get power out of an SRT than a mazdaspeed? yes of course, its a domestic vehicle with traditional fuel injection so you're going to see alot of go fast goodies for these shitboxes right out of the gate.

does it matter? i don't think so. they can't handle worth a lick, they're uglier than dirt, they're minivan tall and made of the same grade materials inside and out as a fisher price toy from the late 80s. from that standpoint, mazdaspeed3s finish so far ahead of them in every respect its nothing to worry about.

if you are stoplight to stoplight or straight up drag racer, then i suppose yes, you have something to worry about. me personally, i think the mazdaspeed so far out classes this angle ridden heap its not even funny.

Hey man, don't put down Fisher Price late 80's gear. That was a great time to be a child!

[Betelgeuse]

lol..man for a second i thought i was on a honda forum..lol! straight line ability.. the caliber has more to offer...really it's what ever your into..want to autox buy an ms3..want to drag race buy a csrt. the csrt will go faster...heck dcr only had the car 2 weeks and were running those times...where are the ms3 vendors? why have hardly any of them stepped up to the plate like dcr and a host of other vendors? if the car is so damn good and is so nice why has the aftermarket taken years to do anything with it? really these are ?'s that i have been wanting answers to for a long time with this car.


Dcr and Dodge are in bed together. Their website says it all - they're an SRT performance company. The end.

Mazda does not have that and probably would if it was they thought it might be profitable.

Mazdaspeeds are produced for only 2 years at a time. Not many companies would be willing to make parts for such a limited production car. The ms3's current support is kind of a surprise and speaks volumes about the car itself. Who knows, Mazda might take note and design the future Mazdaspeeds a little more mod friendly or extend their production lifecycle.

Yeah we'll see 11 second Calibers no doubt but I can guarantee we'll see 11 second ms3s as well. The Caliber will get there first, big deal.

[dandan2]

i think we should be more concerned on the new cobalt ss than the anything mopar!!!

[Betelgeuse]

i think we should be more concerned on the new cobalt ss than the anything mopar!!!

Agreed, that new Cobalt looks promising.

[detsilverms3]

And to think their "american power" is all based off ideas/parts from DSM.
like i said Mopar=More problems not more power.

i dont know if you know this but the whole DSM was bought by a japanese company. Diamond Star Motors was an Illinois based company if i remember what my DSM friends were saying correctly. but i will agree with the later have of your comment. Anyone who knows anything about Mopar knows the problems of their quality.

[palerider]

lol...it was tracking not torque steering..I thought/asked the same thing and per dcr it was not torque steer but rather tracking side to side in the groove of the track. give it 6 months and you'll be seeing a completely diff car that'll be running 11's...And i would not be suprised if it were on the stock turbo..it already has the hp/tq ..just need to get past the dbw issue.

+1

I made the assumption that this was the case as well. I spent the afternoon at dcr talking with the guys and the issue is definitely tracking because of the tires/ wheels being used on the car right now. This is not a torque steer issue.

And this car really isnt as modded as everybody has made it out to be. Fuel has been overhauled. But really all the rest is pretty easy simple stuff. And there is a ton of stuff they still can do.

I like the thing. I wouldnt trade my MS3 for one but Id certainly enjoy owning a Caliber as well. Seeing the car in person.... it really grows on you. Its a little monster. Reminds me of a nasty gremlin version of a Durango and its gonna win the war of the 40-120 street cred war.....that seems for sure. When Mopar starts dumping shit into the market for it...its gonna be game over for the disi. Its just to simple to mod and the support will be all over it.

All were gonna be left with is comparos at Laguna, and the interior stuff. Well that never bothered srt guys before and it wont now either.

[flipstylex]

well, it's a fast sailboat. I'll stick to my speed boat :)

[Captain KRM P5]

i dont know if you know this but the whole DSM was bought by a japanese company. Diamond Star Motors was an Illinois based company if i remember what my DSM friends were saying correctly. but i will agree with the later have of your comment. Anyone who knows anything about Mopar knows the problems of their quality.

diamond star motors is a joint venture plant started by mitsubishi and chrysler. chrysler sold thier stake to mistubishi outright but chrysler still produces vehicles and engines there on a contractual basis. side note, chrysler builds all calibers/compasses at the belvidere, il plant which is about a 45 minute drive from my house. they just laid off the entire 3rd shift so perhaps sales of thier compact brick aren't what they thought they'd be?

[Eddie Wetzel]

Maybe the reason they have such a hard time making it go straight is the fact it has 400HP ON THE FRONT WHEELS! duh. (smash)






CX-7........ i addressed that "HOOK UP" issue that you mentioned.

[Totmacher]

Consistant 2.0X 60 foots on drag radials, I would't consider that "problems hooking up".

Have any of you gone up from 225 series tires to 275 series tires (about 2.5" wider)? Tracking, not Tq Steer.

I love these cost/Mod comments, all the info on the car is out there, it's no secret.

Man some of you are funny lol

[niz55]

Lots of parts on our cars is from ford. Thats kinda of kool, cause i like ford. Ha!(bike)(bike)(bike)

[Frosty]

Looks like some of you are concerned. I didn't get the speed to be the fastest guy on the block. If that was the case I would have to get a new Z06 since my neighbor has a new GT500. Then again, that claim can be debated once mods are thrown in the mix.

I'm not concerned with the caliber. Its just another car on the road to me.

[Captain KRM P5]

Consistant 2.0X 60 foots on drag radials, I would't consider that "problems hooking up".


2.0 60 fts on drag radials really aren't that impressive no offense. i've seen better times done on street tires.

[Aricjm15]

Consistant 2.0X 60 foots on drag radials, I would't consider that "problems hooking up".

LOL I would. I can get a 2.0 on street tires.

Drag tires should put you sub 2.0 seconds. If they don't you either A)Suck at life and need more practice at your launch (we have all been there) OR B) your car has major traction issues.

[CX-7owner]

Consistant 2.0X 60 foots on drag radials, I would't consider that "problems hooking up".

Have any of you gone up from 225 series tires to 275 series tires (about 2.5" wider)? Tracking, not Tq Steer.

I love these cost/Mod comments, all the info on the car is out there, it's no secret.

Man some of you are funny lol

Man your SRT-4 is pathetic, Over 400 HP and it can't break 11 seconds, how sad.

[Killer]

I see this thread goin' nowhere fast.

[boostdog]

Man your SRT-4 is pathetic, Over 400 HP and it can't break 11 seconds, how sad.

it's all due to the drive by wire issue...I believe that is the next issue they need to tackle and the power it's making will put it there.

and how fast does your ms3 go in ...ohhhh wait...sorry your cx-7 go in the 1/4?

[jville]

Lots of parts on our cars is from ford. Thats kinda of kool, cause i like ford. Ha!(bike)(bike)(bike)


Not on the speed versions. 100% Japanese.

[clos561]

This should be good for the times u ran...i would consider these phases pretty modded, and this is not including ur phase 4 which includes a wetshot, tuning and slicks. I personally have not ran 12's in anything. Maybe u need a better driver? how much does all this cost anyways? DCR phases 1-4? not for you but if i had a csrt4 and i wanted to buy all ur stuff. how much $ would i need?

Phase 3

Dyno Graph/Info Thread

Track Time Info Thread


Darrell Cox Racing Fuel Return Kit
-Fuel Return kit utilizing Aeromotive Regulator and push to connect fuel fittings. At this time you must tap your Fuel Rail, but in the future a replacement DCR Billet Fuel Rail with braided stainless steal hoses will be available. - Product available SOON, contact DCR

RC 750 cc Injectors
-We wear preparing ourselves for future upgrades, but at this power level, RC 650cc Injectors would have sufficed. - Product available, contact DCR

Darrell Cox Racing Waste Gate Actuator
-16lb spring, adjustable WGA. Will be available in the future with choice spring weight. - Product available SOON, contact DCR





Phase 2

Dyno Graph/Info Thread


Darrell Cox Racing Big Filter Kit
-Product/R&D carryover from the Neon and running 7 second 1/4 mile passes with the Hot Rod car and street SRTs. The oil cooler is removed because of the small oil passages through the cooler which restrict oil flow to the oil pump and engine at high HP levels and demands. This also allows you to run a MUCH larger K&N Oil Filter. - Product available, contact DCR

Darrell Cox Racing 180 Degree Thermostat
-The all aluminum block allows for some awesome heat dissipation, but aluminum also absorbs the heat very fast. The DCR 180 Thermostat is used to get the temps under controller much sooner thus reducing chances of harmful spark knock. - Product available, contact DCR

Mopar Blow Off Plate
-Vents the air to atmosphere vice recirculating it back into the turbo inlet. The setup DCR uses varies slightly from your off the shelf Mopar BOV from any other vendor. - Product available, contact DCR

Darrell Cox Racing Cat(s) Delete Pipe
-DCR O2 housing & Down pipe all in 1. Starts at 3.5" off the turbo outlet, necks down to 3" and maintains a solid un-bent 3" to the factory 3" mid Pipe. All Stainless Steel. Available with and without high flow CAT. - Product available, contact DCR

Darrell Cox Racing Muffler Delete Pipe
-Provided kit to remove the exhaust from the Muffler Back. Includes Exhaust Tip. - Product available, contact DCR

Darrell Cox Racing 3" Short Ram Air Intake
-DCR True 3" Air Intake with large K&N Filter. Includes DCR 16lb Small Battery to make roon for air intake and mounting hardware. - Product available, contact DCR

Darrell Cox Racing Water Injection
-Simple DCR Water Injection Kit to spray your choice of fluid (we used the washer fluid that the car was delivered from Dodge with) via the factory washer fluid reservoir. Just like adding 6-10 points of octane! Can be done via trunk mount kit. - Product available, contact DCR

Darrell Cox Racing Solid Motor Mounts & Hardware
-DCR Filled Mounts with included upgraded hardware. - Product available, contact DCR

[niz55]

Not on the speed versions. 100% Japanese.

your wrong dude. Is not 100% japanes. Look under your gas tank. Their is a little electronic device that says ford motor company. (usa)

[boostdog]

clos561 - the things on that list aren't needed to run/make the power they are..the blow of plate/ big filter kit / and the thermostat are not nessasary but could be added. the stock injectors too may not be needed, but i'll let darrly chime in on that and pricing, butreally what you have listed are basic mods on any srt4 to make 300-350 whp. intake exhaust and a return line are basic upgrades that can be had very cheaply in all reality.

[clos561]

Yea i know, they are going to go big with this car, most people will never get on their level of mods, like he said 750cc injectors were not needed but they are planning for the future mods... that thing is gona run really fast very soon

[CX-7owner]

your wrong dude. Is not 100% japanes. Look under your gas tank. Their is a little electronic device that says ford motor company. (usa)
The MS3 is built in Japan, it uses some FoMoCo stamp outs, that's about it.
(whip)

[CX-7owner]

it's all due to the drive by wire issue...I believe that is the next issue they need to tackle and the power it's making will put it there.

and how fast does your ms3 go in ...ohhhh wait...sorry your cx-7 go in the 1/4?

Oh wait, we're not talking about my car.

Hows that Caliber doing?
You said I'm ignorant but anyone that would by a Caliber over other compacts clearly has a narrow mind.

Drive by Wire issue, tracking, etc.. all excuses, the fact is it can make over 400HP but it can't break the quarter mile in less than 11 seconds.
(shrug)What a great SRT4.

[happy and angry]

Stop being an elitist Mazda douchbag making the rest of us look bad by association.

[CX-7owner]

Stop being an elitist Mazda douchbag making the rest of us look bad by association.
(blowup) Stop being such a tight ass prude.

If they want to come over here and troll I'll be that asshole.

[kingpinMS3]

Not on the speed versions. 100% Japanese.
are you retarded?

Mazda took a TON of parts out of the ford parts bins for our cars. case and point, our brakes come directly off a volvo

[happy and angry]

Stop acting like the badge on the front of your car makes you better than an SRT4 owner. WHO. CARES.

[CX-7owner]

Stop acting like the badge on the front of your car makes you better than an SRT4 owner. WHO. CARES.

YOU. DO. APPARENTLY!

[kingpinMS3]

Stop acting like the badge on the front of your car makes you better than an SRT4 owner. WHO. CARES.

what does make me better than an SRT-4 owner is lack of dangerous understeer and my cars chassis isn't sourced from an SUV.

[happy and angry]

Really? I was fairly certain I was saying that the badge doesn't matter! By all accounts the SRT4 is a fast little package, and stock for stock quicker in a straight line than the MS3 by a very slim margin. But yea, you're right, it's a trashy ugly car and everyone that buys them and mods them are losers and anyone that can't break into 11's with 400 WHP god they are just so damn stupid why would they even buy the damn car, what were they thinking.

What uselessly divisive, misinformed, stupid arguments you make. Please be to the shutting up about how crap everyone else's cars are just because you don't like their ride.

[happy and angry]

what does make me better than an SRT-4 ownerNOTHING makes YOU better than an SRT-4 owner, you ridiculous boob. You have a car you think is better than an SRT-4. Bravo! Here I am, clapping for you and your pimpin' great ride while you shit on someone elses choice in vehicles. Congrats!

[kingpinMS3]

NOTHING makes YOU better than an SRT-4 owner, you ridiculous boob. You have a car you think is better than an SRT-4. Bravo! Here I am, clapping for you and your pimpin' great ride while you shit on someone elses choice in vehicles. Congrats!

actually, i made the decision to buy a mazdaspeed3 because the caliber has a dangerous(read: deadly, literally) amount of understeer that could send me careening into a wall at 120MPH

i don't know about you, but that decision alone does make me a better person.

[CX-7owner]

Really? I was fairly certain I was saying that the badge doesn't matter! By all accounts the SRT4 is a fast little package, and stock for stock quicker in a straight line than the MS3 by a very slim margin. But yea, you're right, it's a trashy ugly car and everyone that buys them and mods them are losers and anyone that can't break into 11's with 400 WHP god they are just so damn stupid why would they even buy the damn car, what were they thinking.

What uselessly divisive, misinformed, stupid arguments you make. Please be to the shutting up about how crap everyone else's cars are just because you don't like their ride.

Someone skipped that very clearly needed English class, that's unfortunate.

What stupid, trollish bullshit you come up with because you clearly have a snake up your ass about something, I can make as many uselessly, misinformed arguments as I want. And that burns you the fuck up because you feel the need to come and post "it doesn't matter! stop it!" like a little girl.

[happy and angry]

Haha, okay!

Well, uh, I bought an MS3 because the 911 I was looking at has a dangerous (read: deadly, literally) amount of oversteer that could send me careening into a wall at 120 mph. I don't know what that says about dumb Porsche drivers, but that decision alone does make me a better person!

So, what other vehicles are blacklisted as having all their owners being idiots? 80's IROC's, obviously. J-bodies, probably. 3rd and 4th gen Mustangs, yea, sure. Uh, anyone that buys an SUV, those things are just roll-prone.

Oddly enough, every review of the SRT4 I've read has it listed as having mild understeer, just like our car. And if you're worried about careening into a wall at 120 MPH because of understeer, maybe it's time you learn your braking points better instead of blaming the damn car for something you can control.

Jesus, this is the most elitistly stupid thread on these entire forums that I've read, and it's revolting. Most people on here are pretty friendly about cars in general without being badge-elitists, but you guys are being retarded.

[boostdog]

actually, i made the decision to buy a mazdaspeed3 because the caliber has a dangerous(read: deadly, literally) amount of understeer that could send me careening into a wall at 120MPH

i don't know about you, but that decision alone does make me a better person.

funniest thing i have read all day!

this one is going into the quote...awesome!!!

[happy and angry]

I can make as many uselessly, misinformed arguments as I want.You can, and that's sad.

[CX-7owner]

You can, and that's sad.

You know what's so sad, you feel the need to try and control people over the internet.

SO sad.

[happy and angry]

I take issue with idiocy and misinformation, both of which you are having an absolute field day with. To be honest, you can sit there and think the little silver M on the front of your car makes you smarter and better than people who are just so plebian that they buy a domestic, and I even support your right to be an arrogant prick on the internet! But maybe you could try a little harder and be less misinformed and less elitist?

[CX-7owner]

I take issue with idiocy and misinformation, both of which you are having an absolute field day with. To be honest, you can sit there and think the little silver M on the front of your car makes you smarter and better than people who are just so plebian that they buy a domestic, and I even support your right to be an arrogant prick on the internet! But maybe you could try a little harder and be less misinformed and less elitist?

Hey news flash dickhead, we had a 2003 Ford Taurus up until recently, and a Olds Bravada.

How misinformed are you?

We even own a Volvo, which IS FoMoCo.

It's not about it being domestic, but for the sake of argument, you think that's my primary reason, it's NOT, it's a POS all on it's own.
Someone needs to crown you king of information because you have it all right.

[kingpinMS3]

I take issue with idiocy and misinformation, both of which you are having an absolute field day with. To be honest, you can sit there and think the little silver M on the front of your car makes you smarter and better than people who are just so plebian that they buy a domestic, and I even support your right to be an arrogant prick on the internet! But maybe you could try a little harder and be less misinformed and less elitist?

boy you couldn't be more wrong, but of course you can't have too high of expectations from a canadian.

[clos561]

i just pooped

[happy and angry]

it's a POS all on it's own.Right. Same 0-60 times and same 1/4 mile times as the MS3 give or take a 10th, and it's a POS. Gotcha. Please demonstrate how it is a POS in a manner that isn't entirely subjective.
boy you couldn't be more wrong, but of course you can't have too high of expectations from a canadian.Your basis for judging yourself "better" than an SRT-4 owner was because of understeer, the same general handling characteristic our car has. You called it "dangerous" when people who have actually reviewed it describe it as:

Hustling the Caliber around the track is surprisingly easier than expected, with quick, precise steering and firm suspension willing to cling to a turn far longer than your butt senses it is safe to do so. It understeers predictably when pushed hard and deep into a turn (http://www.motivemag.com/pub/feature/comparison_tests/Motive_Vs_Turbo_Toyboxes.shtml)and:

The body remains flat on its firm springs and anti-roll bars (http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/14236/2008-dodge-caliber-srt4.html)It certainly has it's share of problems, like handling bumps poorly during cornering, and I'm not a fan of the psuedo-LSD, but calling it dangerous because it understeers "predictably" is just ignorant.

Ignorant sums up almost everything people have been bitching about in this thread. "It can't hook up at 400 WHP." Neither will the MS3 - Driver311 is already having serious traction issues at just over 300 WHP. "It understeers." So does our car if you overcook a corner. "It's ugly." Subjective, some people obviously like it. "The interior is crap!" Again, subjective/a product of the base vehicle it is built off, and not a measure of performance in any event. I don't think it's as good a package as the MS3 is, and that's why I didn't buy one, but you guys are being idiotic in suggesting that people who bought the SRT-4 are dumb. And it is even more idiotic to suggest that the car is a POS when stock for stock it is as fast as our car in a 1/4 mile.

[Eddie Wetzel]

Right. Same 0-60 times and same 1/4 mile times as the MS3 give or take a 10th, and it's a POS. Gotcha. Please demonstrate how it is a POS in a manner that isn't entirely subjective.Your basis for judging yourself "better" than an SRT-4 owner was because of understeer, the same general handling characteristic our car has. You called it "dangerous" when people who have actually reviewed it describe it as:
and:
It certainly has it's share of problems, like handling bumps poorly during cornering, and I'm not a fan of the psuedo-LSD, but calling it dangerous because it understeers "predictably" is just ignorant.

Ignorant sums up almost everything people have been bitching about in this thread. "It can't hook up at 400 WHP." Neither will the MS3 - Driver311 is already having serious traction issues at just over 300 WHP. "It understeers." So does our car if you overcook a corner. "It's ugly." Subjective, some people obviously like it. "The interior is crap!" Again, subjective/a product of the base vehicle it is built off, and not a measure of performance in any event. I don't think it's as good a package as the MS3 is, and that's why I didn't buy one, but you guys are being idiotic in suggesting that people who bought the SRT-4 are dumb. And it is even more idiotic to suggest that the car is a POS when stock for stock it is as fast as our car in a 1/4 mile.

(bow)(bow)(bow)(yippy)(yippy)
(cabpatch)(cabpatch)

you said it better in one post then i managed to in numerous.

WELL SAID!

[CX-7owner]

Subjective on the interior?
The level of materials is considerably cheaper compared with the MS3.

The POS comes in with the lack of LSD, Black mirror covers, black trim up on top of the roof, a Gauge that inaccurately measures G-Forces and acceleration times. Handling that trails it's main competition, those brakes also are sub par compared to the MS3's braking.

What is it about "well it's as good as the MS3 because it's very SLIGHTLY faster in the quarter mile" IT'S FULL OF FAIL ELSEWHERE!

[CSRT4]

boy you couldn't be more wrong, but of course you can't have too high of expectations from a canadian.

First of all, that is totally uncalled for! Where someone is from has no bearing on anything related to this topic! You actually come out on top looking like the asshat for calling someone out on where they are from. Last Time I checked, the US economy is in the toilets while Canada's is booming. Maybe we arent so stupid after all! Oh and for the Record, Canada is on top of the States, sorta makes you the bitch now doesnt it......

Secondly, After driving the Mazdaspeed3 and the CSRT4 within 20 minutes of each other I found the CSRT4 to be a much better driving experience. The Speed3 has a vague shifter, unsettled ride, and a cramped interior with No sunroof availibe!?!?!? However, the LSD and the DBW are very nicely dialed in for the car.
The Caliber is a nice platform, aside from the BLD (Brake Lock Differential). With nice clean shifts, nice ride, impressive grip and great powerband with an exhaust note to go with it.
The MS3 stickers for $4,000 more than My caliber did with the same options except my Caliber has a 0-60 and 1/4 mile timer, as well a a g-force reader built into the Cluster, oh ya and you can get a sunroof!. Given the cost difference the Speed3 prices itself out of the market in Canada, Im not going to pay $4,000 more for a car that really looks no different than a regualar Mazda3, doesnt have 19'' wheels, and seats that arent as body hugging as the SRT has.

[CSRT4]

Let me add on saying that the Braking in the Caliber SRT4 is better than the MS3 just get the brakes warmed up! The black sections on the roof are for areodynamics, who cares if they are black? Accents the colour of my Caliber just right! Oh and a bouns of the CSRT, we will be the last ones laughing when you can get Stage 1 and 2 kits from the dealer which gives more power and DOENST void the Warrenty, Mazda doesnt have you covered there!

[CX-7owner]

First of all, that is totally uncalled for! Where someone is from has no bearing on anything related to this topic! You actually come out on top looking like the asshat for calling someone out on where they are from. Last Time I checked, the US economy is in the toilets while Canada's is booming. Maybe we arent so stupid after all! Oh and for the Record, Canada is on top of the States, sorta makes you the bitch now doesnt it......

Secondly, After driving the Mazdaspeed3 and the CSRT4 within 20 minutes of each other I found the CSRT4 to be a much better driving experience. The Speed3 has a vague shifter, unsettled ride, and a cramped interior with No sunroof availibe!?!?!? However, the LSD and the DBW are very nicely dialed in for the car.
The Caliber is a nice platform, aside from the BLD (Brake Lock Differential). With nice clean shifts, nice ride, impressive grip and great powerband with an exhaust note to go with it.
The MS3 stickers for $4,000 more than My caliber did with the same options except my Caliber has a 0-60 and 1/4 mile timer, as well a a g-force reader built into the Cluster, oh ya and you can get a sunroof!. Given the cost difference the Speed3 prices itself out of the market in Canada, Im not going to pay $4,000 more for a car that really looks no different than a regualar Mazda3, doesnt have 19'' wheels, and seats that arent as body hugging as the SRT has.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/14232/subaru-wrx-v-dodge-caliber-srt4-v-mazdaspeed-3-v-volvo-c30.html

Wow, great seats with more bolstering, an inaccurate gauge, and an SUV interior interior feel, bigger, heavier wheels on a performance wagon, the SRT-4 is perfect for you.

You can have sunroof installed anywhere, it's not rocket science, lots of dealers have sunroofs installed after delivery.

But that's all it has? Some retarded meter, more seat bolstering (the MS3's seats offer a lot of bolstering, you must be pretty "wide") and the fact that it has subtle differences from a regular three? When are you installing a park bench on the back of your SRT-4?

[CX-7owner]

Let me add on saying that the Braking in the Caliber SRT4 is better than the MS3 just get the brakes warmed up! The black sections on the roof are for areodynamics, who cares if they are black? Accents the colour of my Caliber just right!

You're right, they must be for areodynamics, whatever the fuck that is.


EVEN if they we're there for "areodynamics" which I highly doubt, it's still cost cutting because it's black and not painted, I guess they left the mirror's black for "areodynamics" too? (smash)

[CX-7owner]

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/14232/subaru-wrx-v-dodge-caliber-srt4-v-mazdaspeed-3-v-volvo-c30.html
SRT-4=fail.

[happy and angry]

The POS comes in with the lack of LSDAn electronic LSD, actually.
Black mirror covers, black trim up on top of the roofAgain, you're questioning the styling - entirely subjective.
a Gauge that inaccurately measures G-Forces and acceleration timesIn the same way that a DashHawk inaccurately measures acceleration times, or the G-meter built in to many cars is inaccurate.
Handling that trails it's main competitionBut is still a huge step up from the stock Caliber
those brakes also are sub par compared to the MS3's braking.Longer distances, but better brake fade.

I don't know if you know how to read. Compare what you said:
What is it about "well it's as good as the MS3 because it's very SLIGHTLY faster in the quarter mile"
to what I said in my last post:
I don't think it's as good a package as the MS3 is, and that's why I didn't buy oneThe point is, it's a car. It's a fast little hatch that appeals to some people for a lot of little reasons, not the least of which is the performance. It's an entirely subjective subject, and yet you are acting offended that people are buying them. Get over yourself.

[Derek88]

I saw one of these for the first time in person yesterday. I like it. It may not can handle like an MS3, look quite as good, or have the fit and finish, but as a tuner car I think it's great.

I dont like it more than a MS3, but I do like it a lot! If I get ripped a new one by one, it wont bother me one bit!

[CSRT4]

You really have no room to talk, you drive a CX-7 which is even more of a bloated pig that the Caliber. No driver feedback, Plebian styling, uninspired interior.....Big whoop it has the Same motor as the Speed3 its 10 times uglier then the CSRT4. You can have all the Zoom Zoom you want in something that looks like it should be driven by a menopausal soccer mom who is heading to her friends place to Drink Arbor Mist, and talk about thier bunions!

[CX-7owner]

An electronic LSD, actually.Again, you're questioning the styling - entirely subjective.In the same way that a DashHawk inaccurately measures acceleration times, or the G-meter built in to many cars is inaccurate.But is still a huge step up from the stock CaliberLonger distances, but better brake fade.

I don't know if you know how to read. Compare what you said:
to what I said in my last post:The point is, it's a car. It's a fast little hatch that appeals to some people for a lot of little reasons, not the least of which is the performance. It's an entirely subjective subject, and yet you are acting offended that people are buying them. Get over yourself.

I'm sorry, are you calling what SRT calls a "BRAKE LOCK DIFFERENTIAL" an "electronic LSD"? They've clearly stated that their BLD is superior to the mechanical LSD found on the MS3.

I'm appalled that people think that the SRT-4 is better because it can run slightly faster trap times.

The black plastic is more cheapness coming from lopar.

We're not talking about the Dashhawk so don't mention it.

We're not talking about the the base Caliber, so don't mention it.

[CX-7owner]

You really have no room to talk, you drive a CX-7 which is even more of a bloated pig that the Caliber. No driver feedback, Plebian styling, uninspired interior.....Big whoop it has the Same motor as the Speed3 its 10 times uglier then the CSRT4. You can have all the Zoom Zoom you want in something that looks like it should be driven by a menopausal soccer mom who is heading to her friends place to Drink Arbor Mist, and talk about thier bunions!

Are we talking about the CX-7?
No.
But you feel the need to mention it because you think the Caliber is better than the CX-7, In reality since you have no real argument as to why the CSRT-4 is better than the MS3 you bring up the CX-7 and compare it to the SRT-4? Something that isn't a competitor?
(rlaugh)
Go back to the SRT forums.

I'm sure the first night you brought that Dodge home all the people in the trailer park came drooling.

[CSRT4]

Actually Canada isint infected with mass amounts of Trailer Parks like the States is. Youre right though, when I brought it to my Condo complex, my neighbour's looked over the car for well over an hour. Even the guy down the hall from me who owns a Mazdaspeed6 was Really impressed with the car. I took him for a rip in it last week, and he said it was like a rollercoaster. his words were "This thing is a blast, more refined then my Sons srt4 Neon, but still retains its roots"

And for the Record, you dont own a Speed3 so why the hell are we listening to you???

[CX-7owner]

Actually Canada isint infected with mass amounts of Trailer Parks like the States is. Youre right though, when I brought it to my Condo complex, my neighbour's looked over the car for well over an hour. Even the guy down the hall from me who owns a Mazdaspeed6 was Really impressed with the car. I took him for a rip in it last week, and he said it was like a rollercoaster. his words were "This thing is a blast, more refined then my Sons srt4 Neon, but still retains its roots"

And for the Record, you dont own a Speed3 so why the hell are we listening to you???

Can't you answer that for yourself?

[happy and angry]

I'm sorry, are you calling what SRT calls a "BRAKE LOCK DIFFERENTIAL" an "electronic LSD"?No, but Dodge is, and the BSD attempts to do the same thing. As I've already said, I don't like their solution to the torque steer problem, but it works.
I'm appalled that people think that the SRT-4 is better because it can run slightly faster trap times.Who said anything about "better"? Do I need to quote you what I've already said, AGAIN?
The black plastic is more cheapness coming from lopar.Subjective, and irrelevent to the SRT-4's merits as a fast vehicle.
We're not talking about the Dashhawk so don't mention it.I like how you gloss over my larger point that nearly every single built in accelerometer/g-meter are "innaccurate". The innaccuracies of the SRT-4 computer aren't an SRT-4 thing, they are a market wide thing.
We're not talking about the the base Caliber, so don't mention it.The SRT-4 is built off the base Caliber, just like our MS3 is built off the base 3. The flaws and foibles of these vehicles are in large part dependant on the ones they are derived from. We can't just ignore that and call the SRT-4's interior ugly without making it clear that it's the same interior as the Caliber. It's not like they redesigned an entirely new UGLIER interior for the SRT-4 or something.

As for the article you keep linking to (the one I linked to that discusses the SRT-4's predictable handling), where in the comparison does it say "SRT-4 = LOSE, WORST CAR EVER, ALL PURCHASERS OF THIS DODGE R DUM?" I mean, does it say that? Does it have anything positive to say about the Caliber SRT-4? I mean, if you're going to hold up a Car and Driver comparison to prove the point that the car SUX TOTAL BAWLS DUDE, surely it agrees with your position of WORST VEHICLE EVAR? Doesn't it?

[Killer]

OK....lets try to be nice...m'Kay?

[AutoXRacer]

Man, you guys are brutal...

Personally, I don't care who's faster, who's got better handling, etc... (blah)
The reason I bought my MS3 is because I liked it; it fit me like a glove.
I personally prefer the finish of the MS3... All personal reasons.

If I see a CSRT-4 on the street taunting me, I will try to smoke it...all in the name of friendly competition. Then pull into a parking lot and talk about our cars. :)

Its just a car guys... Group hug!!!(group)

[Chicoloco]

I think someone was hit with teh ban hammer :-S

[boostdog]

Man, you guys are brutal...

Personally, I don't care who's faster, who's got better handling, etc... (blah)
The reason I bought my MS3 is because I liked it; it fit me like a glove.
I personally prefer the finish of the MS3... All personal reasons.

If I see a CSRT-4 on the street taunting me, I will try to smoke it...all in the name of friendly competition. Then pull into a parking lot and talk about our cars. :)

Its just a car guys... Group hug!!!(group)

I feel the same way! nicely put(rockon)

[shane02pro5]

Seriously it is possible to have your own opinions with a bit of respect and not act like children!! The Canadian comment was way out of line! Keep that crap for elementary school!

Look how many Pt Cruisers and HHR's are running around. Even Azteks had their days in the market!

[PeterSellers]

Jesus, some of the mazda fanboys posting in this thread are a complete disgrace. Pull the mazda logo out of your ass for 2 seconds, plz. (burp)

[Frosty]

Jesus, some of the mazda fanboys posting in this thread are a complete disgrace. Pull the mazda logo out of your ass for 2 seconds, plz. (burp)

Seriously! Since when do mazdaspeed guys start acting like srt guys? (screwy)

[clos561]

since the srt guys bought a mazdaspeed?

[kingpinMS3]

Seriously! Since when do mazdaspeed guys start acting like srt guys? (screwy)
cuz it's hilarious getting mongoloids mad.

[happy and angry]

Jesus, some of the mazda fanboys posting in this thread are a complete disgrace. Pull the mazda logo out of your ass for 2 seconds, plz.I was trying so hard to do it for them, but they seem to enjoy having it there.

[Aaron@Realtune]

lol...it was tracking not torque steering..I thought/asked the same thing and per dcr it was not torque steer but rather tracking side to side in the groove of the track. give it 6 months and you'll be seeing a completely diff car that'll be running 11's...And i would not be suprised if it were on the stock turbo..it already has the hp/tq ..just need to get past the dbw issue.



It wont even take 6 months. (wink)

So much hating going on. Its really silly to me to see how butt hurt some of these people on here are.


The reality is, the CSRT4 has an amazing power plant, and the Ms3 crowd will have a serious hard time keeping pace. Whether you guys like the Caliber or not....thats the bottom line.

However, youll see us selling something that will really help you MS3 guys very shortly (cabpatch)

[shane02pro5]

P5-T's (first)(inout)

[laloosh]

lol at this entire thread, my opinions have been stated in the other thread that got locked.


Way to make this board look like shit.

[mckraut]

Wow did this thread get out of hand...

My 2 cents, I bought the MS3 because it was a better fit for me and at the time I was looking (last July), I could take it home right then and there.

What is it they say? "Different strokes for different folks"

[jbiird317]

closing this thread for some pruning (if it can be salvaged). It would be wonderful if you all could learn to accept other members opinions as what they are: opinions. What is it they say, "opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one." Well lets try to prove that not everyone on here is an asshole and discuss these topics civilly....thanks.