Test Drove New Srt4

[MS3Chik]

ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS GARBAGE. The csrt4 sucks..it feels like you are driving a truck..okay b4 i start bashing....
i get to the dealer.. i have a look around..it looks pretty good imo..they should have put 18s on it but oh well.. you cant even hear the thing it is so quiet.. it has a muffler and cats (not like the older srt4s with resignators) the interior is pretty nice..it looks smaller than the mazda tho..the shifter is pretty nice and they have good details.. the boost gauge is cool it boosts 10lbs constantly but has turbo lag like mother..then i took it through a turn and i thought the thing was going to flip over..if you are over 5'5 i wouldnt recommend getting in one. im 5'3 and i felt like i was squished..then the dealer asked if he can go for a ride in my mazda and said what i great pull it had and how well it could handle.. he kept assking me what i had done to it and he wouldnt believe that all i had was a cai..it was 27k for the thing..decent car but once you've driven the mazda there is no comparrison..

[Powerslave]

yeah decent but no comparo to the speed, thats NOT real leather on the seats its PLASTIC!!

[desperado-c]

.... you cant even hear the thing it is so quiet.. it has a muffler and cats (not like the older srt4s with resignators) ....

I'd have thought the lack of a resignator would make it sound more purposeful and gung ho, so to speak. Who needs all sighing and all the whining about how it's just worth it to really try. Definitely not what one looks for in a performance-oriented car.

[flipstylex]

It's a unique car not worth that price, but an option for people with a different taste . can't wait to see one on the road, then i'll do the ricer flybye on the next exit ;)

[Sacrilicious]

It's a unique car not worth that price, but an option for people with a different taste . can't wait to see one on the road, then i'll do the ricer flybye on the next exit ;)

(pukey)(blarf)

[tunersteve]

I think by different taste she meant either:
1 - Chrysler employees
2 - E-thugs who own Neon SRT-4s
3 - Blind folk

[NCZ13]

i read the boost gauge has horrible placement...

is it really that hard to see?

[Young Roids]

Everytime I looks at a caliber I am happy I did not get an srt4.

[6262MS3]

I'd have thought the lack of a resignator would make it sound more purposeful and gung ho, so to speak. Who needs all sighing and all the whining about how it's just worth it to really try. Definitely not what one looks for in a performance-oriented car.

I think the old srt4's had no muffler at all, just the cats and a resonator. From the looks/sounds of things I'm glad I didn't wait for the csrt4 to come out before making my decision!

[DusterAZ]

i read the boost gauge has horrible placement...

is it really that hard to see?

Doesn't look that hard too see, pretty similar to putting it in your vent on the MS3.

http://www.motivemag.com/Content/uploads/1/SRT4_2_left.jpg

[BlackCherry06]

2 kudos from me: The seats look very comfortable and supportive, and I love the center-mounted tach. Other than that....no thanks.

[tunersteve]

That cruise control lever looks like the biggest afterthought in that whole interior. Steering wheel has that cheap Chrysler plastic texture. Seats do look comfortable though.

[CantCMe]

Calibers suck.

[desperado-c]

I think the old srt4's had no muffler at all, just the cats and a resonator. From the looks/sounds of things I'm glad I didn't wait for the csrt4 to come out before making my decision!

Oh, I fully appreciate the use of resonators. The throaty, lower frequency sound is just what I look for in an exhaust. What I fail to appreciate is the use of resignators. I just don't understand why anyone would want an exhaust that makes the car sound like it's not even willing to try.

[turbolife]

Oh, I fully appreciate the use of resonators. The throaty, lower frequency sound is just what I look for in an exhaust. What I fail to appreciate is the use of resignators. I just don't understand why anyone would want an exhaust that makes the car sound like it's not even willing to try.

:)

[MS3Chik]

i saw the boost gauge pretty good and im up to the steering wheel..the look on the steering wheel is "carbon fiber".. wow..not comfy at all..i felt so packed in the car and i only weigh 110..that car is going to be for someone thats not into driving or having fun..just for someone that can say that they have a turbo car or an srt4

[Donas64]

I think by different taste she meant either:
1 - Chrysler employees
2 - E-thugs who own Neon SRT-4s
3 - Blind folk

(rlaugh)

[laloosh]

you guys need to go over to caliberforums and educate yourselves on the potential of this engine

[MS3Chik]

it needs the potential to actually move

yea it makes 400 hp but it needs that to keep up

[tunersteve]

you guys need to go over to caliberforums and educate yourselves on the potential of this engine

I'm sure there's potential for that engine...but is it worth driving around in the biggest turd on four wheels to come out in the last few years? I'll keep my dignity, thank you very much.

[CX-7owner]

The engine might be good for modding but they failed in nearly every other aspect, no LSD, poor suspension tuning, etc..

Also, if I read correctly
12.823 @ 114.58__________407 Hp / 460 Tq__________Mods
Wow I can taste the fail.

[laloosh]

more like 12.5 @ almost 118.

The 407whp was on nitrous, the 12.5 was also using nitrous in only 3rd and 4th.

of the nitrious the car made 349whp and wetn 12.79 @ 114.

All this dignity stuffy u guys are tlaking about is based purly on opinion.
Face the facts, the caliber is a force to be reconded with and will go faster then the ms3 due to a better engine and a normal ecu.

[CX-7owner]

It's a one trick pony, wow! Give me two.

It will get slapped up on the track by cars with much less power.

[Natedog_37]

more like 12.5 @ almost 118.

The 407whp was on nitrous, the 12.5 was also using nitrous in only 3rd and 4th.

of the nitrious the car made 349whp and wetn 12.79 @ 114.

All this dignity stuffy u guys are tlaking about is based purly on opinion.
Face the facts, the caliber is a force to be reconded with and will go faster then the ms3 due to a better engine and a normal ecu.


Ok it might be fast in the stright line.

Now get the cow of a SUV to go turn around a track....

[MS3Chik]

no nitrous.. less hp goes 12s with the ms3.......

[MS3Chik]

Ok it might be fast in the stright line.

Now get the cow of a SUV to go turn around a track....

oh man i cant even imagine..i was so scared going around that baby of a turn..its so funny bc getting in the car you dont even have to squat down lol..

[Sierra117]

you guys need to go over to caliberforums and educate yourselves on the potential of this engine

If I've said it once, I've said it a million times. Almost all Mopar fare is the same way. Amazingly awesome motor, shit car. Great idea, horrible execution.

[laloosh]

no nitrous.. less hp goes 12s with the ms3.......

yea, im the one who did it remember. ET doesnt mean shit, its a matter of traction. i trapped 112mph as my best with no nitrous, the trapped 114.xx off the bottle and 117.xx on the bottle


as for as the 'lets see that car go around the track....yea cause about 2 percent of this board does actual track racing.

[jaydubz]

I still commend SRT for taking a turd of a car and doing what they did to it. The car will definetely appeal to some but not all, I dont like it but I will not wave the MS3 flag that high because I remember when the engine bolt recall took place people on other forums bashed the MS3 quality.

I say wait till the Aftermarket catches up! I remember people laughing at the SRT Neon, saying it was nothing but torque steer untill stage 1,2,3 packages left people in the dirt.

I am just saying be on the look out to the horizon, this competition will be great it will force mazda to stay even competative in this market segment.

[Donas64]

you guys need to go over to caliberforums and educate yourselves on the potential of this engine

Man you won't find a bigger defender of the Neon SRT4 than me. TILL THIS DAY I want to buy one. I actually like how it looks, I could live with the handling and I know the motor is capable of amazing things. Its a proven big power motor. Sure the interior was tupperware-heaven but I still loved that thing.

But the Caliber is a joke. Its handling is a joke, its styling is a joke, I just don't get who it would appeal too. I mean it looks mean from some angles but overall, I don't see anything that would make me consider one over an MS3 or heck even a GTI.

I'm really looking forward to the turbocharged Cobalt SS though.

[Foolish]

as for as the 'lets see that car go around the track....yea cause about 2 percent of this board does actual track racing.

While your point is certainly valid, I suspect the people knocking the SRT Caliber for being straight line fast only are, like me, not drag-strip people. I do race autocross, (when I have time for it) I want to start doing track days on road courses and I love chucking my street car around exit ramps, twisty roads and tight turns so handling is more important to me than power.

The SRT4C has power and.... the potential for more power. Having little to no desire to go drag racing, for me that would just mean seeing more of this:
(five-0)
and my insurance company doing this to me:
(killit)

I'll take something like a Miata or RX-8 over "that motor with potential" any day!

[MS3Chik]

thats funny...

[Betelgeuse]

While your point is certainly valid, I suspect the people knocking the SRT Caliber for being straight line fast only are, like me, not drag-strip people. I do race autocross, (when I have time for it) I want to start doing track days on road courses and I love chucking my street car around exit ramps, twisty roads and tight turns so handling is more important to me than power.

The SRT4C has power and.... the potential for more power. Having little to no desire to go drag racing, for me that would just mean seeing more of this:
(five-0)
and my insurance company doing this to me:
(killit)

I'll take something like a Miata or RX-8 over "that motor with potential" any day!


I love straight line power but I also love the practicality of the ms3. I'm sure the caliber will fit that bill as well but I can't get over the looks. That aside, these cars (ms3 and caliber) are not best suited for straight line speed above a certain hp figure, so I could care less if they make 500 or 1000hp with the SRT-4, it'll just be wheelspin heaven on the street. An ms3 putting down 350-400 whp is already overkill imo and those numbers aren't that far away.

Big power is for the RWD / AWD cars but more so RWD. If the SRT-4 was based on a RWD platform, that would be something to get excited about. It's the 'right' engine in the 'wrong' car.

[Betelgeuse]

yea, im the one who did it remember. ET doesnt mean shit, its a matter of traction. i trapped 112mph as my best with no nitrous, the trapped 114.xx off the bottle and 117.xx on the bottle



For the mods they had listed, to trap 2mph more than you did with yours is nothing that spectacular to be honest. But I agree, there are probably less obstacles with tunning/modding that engine.

[MS3Chik]

more like 12.5 @ almost 118.

The 407whp was on nitrous, the 12.5 was also using nitrous in only 3rd and 4th.of the nitrious the car made 349whp and wetn 12.79 @ 114.
All this dignity stuffy u guys are tlaking about is based purly on opinion.
Face the facts, the caliber is a force to be reconded with and will go faster then the ms3 due to a better engine and a normal ecu.

all im doing is comparing the cars stock for stock..not who has a butt load of money and make it as fast as you can pissing contest..stock for stock imo the ms3 wins all the way..the caliber will not win.
if someones got money they will make anything look like it has potential..

[boostdog]

all im doing is comparing the cars stock for stock..not who has a butt load of money and make it as fast as you can pissing contest..stock for stock imo the ms3 wins all the way..the caliber will not win.
if someones got money they will make anything look like it has potential..

stock for stock they are so close it's a drivers race in the 1/4 really..the ms3 does handle better on an autox course i'll give it that. really from the start of the srt4's this has been the case..amazing straight line ability..what do you expect?

look for dcr's caliber ( the one that laloosh was reffering to) to go much much faster when they get the drive by wire issue worked out...which in turn will help alot of people as it most likely will be a 1st mod.

[tunersteve]

Life isn't about straight line performance...it's about living daily with a vehicle.

[Foolish]

Life isn't about straight line performance...it's about living daily with a vehicle.

True. However fast you make a Caliber, it's still going to be a Caliber, and you just can't outrun ugly! :D

[tunersteve]

True. However fast you make a Caliber, it's still going to be a Caliber, and you just can't outrun ugly! :D

That's exactly what I was getting at. Every morning I wake up and look out and see my MS6 (used to be my Protege), and think "damn, I really enjoy my car". I don't think I'd feel that way if I had a Caliber. It would be more like "what the hell was I thinking"...the same feeling you get when you sleep with an fat chick after a long night of drinking.

[palerider]

...the same feeling you get when you sleep with an fat chick after a long night of drinking.

Come on now...fucking a fat chick can be great fun. Just make sure she doesnt know any of your friends.

[boostdog]

Life isn't about straight line performance...it's about living daily with a vehicle.

my wife drives an sxt caliber and while the interior is lacking it's actually a very managable car for daily driving...it does extremely well in snow in ice as we just had a storm and she was very very impressed how well it handled in that type of weather...now will the srt be the same i don't know but as a daily driver it's a nice car.

[Foolish]

my wife drives an sxt caliber ...as a daily driver it's a nice car.

Fair enough.

I think there are several different opinions happening here that don't necessarily even conflict with each other.

We have:

1. It's much scarier to corner in than an MS3.
2. It's got massive potential to go fast in a straight line.
3. Some of of us want more than "fast in a straight line" from our cars.
4. It's ugly.
5. It's too SUV-ish.
6. It can be a practical car.
7. The SRT guys know how to make "fast" happen.

Really, these aren't even contrary ideas, just different ones. I agree wholeheartedly that the Caliber is/has the potential to be really fast, I just don't care. It is interesting to read a direct comparison to an MS3 from an MS3 owner, though. I'd like to read about a SRT4C owner's test drive of an MS3!

[laloosh]

Fair enough.

I think there are several different opinions happening here that don't necessarily even conflict with each other.

We have:

1. It's much scarier to corner in than an MS3.
2. It's got massive potential to go fast in a straight line.
3. Some of of us want more than "fast in a straight line" from our cars.
4. It's ugly.
5. It's too SUV-ish.
6. It can be a practical car.
7. The SRT guys know how to make "fast" happen.

Really, these aren't even contrary ideas, just different ones. I agree wholeheartedly that the Caliber is/has the potential to be really fast, I just don't care. It is interesting to read a direct comparison to an MS3 from an MS3 owner, though. I'd like to read about a SRT4C owner's test drive of an MS3!

1. opinion
2. fact
3. opinion
4. opinion
5. opinion
6. opinion
7. fact

2 out of 7, not bad

[D_Roc7822]

I thought the funny thing about all that in the 1st post was that the dealer practically begged him to drive the speed3 and was in shock when he found out that it just had a CAI. I thought that was pretty funny. Cause you know the dealer has drove the CSRT4 too and I think that speaks volumes about this as well.

[Foolish]

2 out of 7, not bad
I said they were opinions!

Besides, #3 is a fact. Some of do want more than "fast in a straight line" from our cars.

[laloosh]

straight line or curvy road

aka opinion

[Knox Joe]

straight line or curvy road

aka opinion

not what he said...

reading comprehension > j00

[laloosh]

not what he said...

reading comprehension > j00

some of us want more than fast in a straight line.

Wanting more than 'fast in a straight line' is an opinion or preference

[MS3Chik]

more ppl keep their cars stock and just car about the stock driving ability..i really dont care what you can do to "make" the caliber run better than the ms3..big whoop..hondas with thousands of dollars can kick my camaros and mustangs ass..do i care..no..its just about what you can have fun with..you cant compete with eveycar out there..

get what im saying..

[TreFlip999]

the gauges are hot..thats about it

[BlackCherry06]

Since it's already a pig, I think AWD, at least offered as an option would make it a lot more appealing. What sense does it make to offer AWD on an SXT and not on the beast of the bunch? Bad dog, Dodge....Bad dog.

[laloosh]

most people don't buy these lil sport compact to keep them stock. Look at this board. There are probably like 5 people bone stock on here

[tunersteve]

Can someone pull up comparo tests between the Caliber and MS3? Let's see what the media can say about this. I'm not saying their perfect, but hell, they do this for a living.

[laloosh]

caliber lost them all, out trapped every car

[CX-7owner]

Yeah, they all said the SRT4 sux and the MS3 is full of win.
Even the numbers proved it, the skidpad numbers we're embarrassing next to the MS3's.

[tunersteve]

C&D Hot Hatch Comparo Test (http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/14232/subaru-wrx-v-dodge-caliber-srt4-v-mazdaspeed-3-v-volvo-c30.html)

Check out the test data from each vehicle.

[CX-7owner]

^^^ Lost to the MUCH less powerful C30 ^^^

It was also a version 1.0 that has the base suspension.


Lightest at 3134 pounds, the C30 was the slowest from 0 to 60 mph at 6.3 seconds—Houston, we have wheelspin!—but the quickest from 5 to 60 at 6.5 seconds. The Volvo was also fleetest in the 30-to-50 top-gear slog. You say you want usable power more than big horsepower numbers? The C30 serves it up, no waiting. Lift your foot, and it also vanishes, no waiting. The engine shuts down abruptly when the fat boost blows off.

Also, 0-130, the SRT4 wins, by .2

[Hikaru9]

I think by different taste she meant either:
1 - Chrysler employees
2 - E-thugs who own Neon SRT-4s
3 - Blind folk

Please pardon my youthful ignorance.
What's an e-thug? o_O

[tunersteve]

http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/download/HotHatchComparo_chassis.pdf

http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/download/HotHatchComparo_powertrain.pdf

http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/download/HotHatchComparo_final.pdf

Oh, an E-thug is someone who shit talks via forums. Apparently its a problem with the Neon folk. We have some on here, but they tend to be much worse.

[boostdog]

Since it's already a pig, I think AWD, at least offered as an option would make it a lot more appealing. What sense does it make to offer AWD on an SXT and not on the beast of the bunch? Bad dog, Dodge....Bad dog.

interesting you say this...there is a post on the caliber forum where a member posted that when he calls dodge and told them he has an srt that is being built...they always asked him is it an awd or a fwd model....now I wonder why they would do that? it would be nice if it were awd!

and you know the ms3 and the csrt weigh almost the same right? so you drive a pig too i guess?!?

[MS3Chik]

^^^ Lost to the MUCH less powerful C30 ^^^

It was also a version 1.0 that has the base suspension.

Also, 0-130, the SRT4 wins, by .2

lmao!

[MS3Chik]

hey not everyone wants to mod their cars..wow a cai..but seriuosly..nitrous, fuel system, tune, exhaust, dp, turbos..it gets expensive and when you brake your only dd this is what happens...
you have to sit and wait till a new short block comes in. put it all in and wait wait wait..ive pulled 3 motors from my dd camaro, 2 from my mustang, one from a z28 maro, and never to be my mazda speed just to get 12s..ive learned that when im going to track a car,,its going to be a track car and thats what my new mustANg is for..
once you start modding you dont stop
i had to wait a month to get my dd mustang back on the road.. it was a 11.1 car and it got my nowhere

you go from this:
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g168/eyedream31/cars/IMG_1432-vi.jpg
to this:
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g168/eyedream31/cars/DSC01677.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g168/eyedream31/cars/DSC01671.jpg

[MS3Chik]

now if you have money or sponsers, or another car..then shoot go for it..

[Knox Joe]

some of us want more than fast in a straight line.

Wanting more than 'fast in a straight line' is an opinion or preference


1. It's much scarier to corner in than an MS3.
2. It's got massive potential to go fast in a straight line.
3. Some of of us want more than "fast in a straight line" from our cars.
4. It's ugly.
5. It's too SUV-ish.
6. It can be a practical car.
7. The SRT guys know how to make "fast" happen.



Pretty sure that "some of us want more than fast in a straight line" is indeed a fact.

I know I do, so even if it's just me, it makes that statement a complete fact.


I'll give $1000 to whomever can beat my MSP down a backroad in a stock Caliber SRT-4.

[CX-7owner]

interesting you say this...there is a post on the caliber forum where a member posted that when he calls dodge and told them he has an srt that is being built...they always asked him is it an awd or a fwd model....now I wonder why they would do that? it would be nice if it were awd!

and you know the ms3 and the csrt weigh almost the same right? so you drive a pig too i guess?!?

Uhh, no he drives an MS6.

[detsilverms3]

isnt this whole power argument void when it comes to a comparison between our car and the csrt4? we have 20ftbls more torque and in the long run i'd rather have that torque than the horsepower. horsepower doesnt mean jack if you dont have the torque to back it. look at hondas, you know? when i had my focus all i had was an intake, exhaust and a tune with that alone i would spank si's all day long. (though admittedly thats kinda like the special olympics) but point being is that horsepower wise i had less power but more torque that was always the difference. its the same anywhere you go though and i have this talk with my girlfriend and her "camaro" friends a lot.

[boostdog]

Uhh, no he drives an MS6.


oh i thought he had an ms3..my bad..but still his statement makes no sense as both cars weigh almost the same.

[boostdog]

isnt this whole power argument void when it comes to a comparison between our car and the csrt4? we have 20ftbls more torque and in the long run i'd rather have that torque than the horsepower. horsepower doesnt mean jack if you dont have the torque to back it. look at hondas, you know? when i had my focus all i had was an intake, exhaust and a tune with that alone i would spank si's all day long. (though admittedly thats kinda like the special olympics) but point being is that horsepower wise i had less power but more torque that was always the difference. its the same anywhere you go though and i have this talk with my girlfriend and her "camaro" friends a lot.

i understang your point but you can also look at tq and hp this way -

tq gets you off the line and hp keeps you going. the fact that stock it makes less tq and make more hp really is relavent...both cars in the 1/4 are very close in performance...autox = diff story but for the drag strip junkies like myself the srt in the end has a better platform to build from if that's what you want.

[Sierra117]

look at hondas, you know?

Honda Mugen Type RR. 280hp, 170ftlbs tq. Epic Failure.

[CX-7owner]

Lol, when does all of that torque come into play, 7500RPMS?

[laloosh]

Pretty sure that "some of us want more than fast in a straight line" is indeed a fact.

I know I do, so even if it's just me, it makes that statement a complete fact.


I'll give $1000 to whomever can beat my MSP down a backroad in a stock Caliber SRT-4.

stock for stock, mod for mod your msp will get shit on by a caliber on any kind of track or backroad

people underestimate the value of brute power. Road tracks have like what? 10-15 turns in them the rest of the 2-4 mile lap is straight away or "power" areas. yea you can hold a long sweeper 2 mph faster, but at the end of the straight ure goign 10-15mph slower

150whp msp vs a 260whp caliber on a road coarse is not even going to be close

[CX-7owner]

stock for stock, mod for mod your msp will get shit on by a caliber on any kind of track or backroad

people underestimate the value of brute power. Road tracks have like what? 10-15 turns in them the rest of the 2-4 mile lap is straight away or "power" areas. yea you can hold a long sweeper 2 mph faster, but at the end of the straight ure goign 10-15mph slower

150whp msp vs a 260whp caliber on a road coarse is not even going to be close
Laloosh, do you want an cailber?

[laloosh]

no i just hate fanboi's. Credit should be given where its due. I start this shit on every forum, just because i happen to own a ms3, doesnt mean im going to be quiet about topics like this.

[CX-7owner]

no i just hate fanboi's. Credit should be given where its due. I start this shit on every forum, just because i happen to own a ms3, doesnt mean im going to be quiet about topics like this.

Stock for Stock the MS3 wins, the Caliber fails in more than one place, sure it's engine is makes great stock power, and it's more moddable but in every other aspect the SRT4 fails compared to the MS3, Stock for Stock the MS3 is superior because it's not all about straight line power, even then the SRT4 has no real upper hand.

[Betelgeuse]

i understang your point but you can also look at diff story but for the drag strip junkies like myself the srt in the end has a better platform to build from if that's what you want.


Better platform? no, better engine right now? Maybe. Until we see we some fully tuned DISIs, one can only speculate.

[clos561]

I like the ms3 and i dont like the caliber..car is fast for sure like laloosh stated...some people like and some dont...check this out and tell me the car doesnt have potential....any car have "potential" motor swaps w/e, but like laloosh said, this car isnt something we should disregard...you could end up staring at the caliber srt4 tailights in the near future

i thought this video was pretty cool

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BoXxIXNgUkg

[detsilverms3]

i understang your point but you can also look at tq and hp this way -

tq gets you off the line and hp keeps you going. the fact that stock it makes less tq and make more hp really is relavent...both cars in the 1/4 are very close in performance...autox = diff story but for the drag strip junkies like myself the srt in the end has a better platform to build from if that's what you want.

i get that but you can put power into anything doesnt mean it will hold up in the long road. be it autox or drag. why would you choose a company that as far as i can remember has always had problems with their long term wear and tear. dodge trannies and rearends here in detroit are a long standing joke. i've been in their research and development facility and though it is impressive even those guys will tell you that, that motor has really yet to prove itself. if you wanna buy one be my guest but i've been to auburn hills and let me tell you i wouldnt if i were you.

[4g63et]

Junk!

[Knox Joe]

stock for stock, mod for mod your msp will get shit on by a caliber on any kind of track or backroad

people underestimate the value of brute power. Road tracks have like what? 10-15 turns in them the rest of the 2-4 mile lap is straight away or "power" areas. yea you can hold a long sweeper 2 mph faster, but at the end of the straight ure goign 10-15mph slower

150whp msp vs a 260whp caliber on a road coarse is not even going to be close

Uh, my MSP is closer to 250 whp, bub.

[Knox Joe]

no i just hate fanboi's.
(potkettle

:rolleyes:(jerkit)

What are you portraying yourself to be right now? LMFAO @ j00

I guarantee my MSP would not get beat by a Caliber.

[laloosh]

Uh, my MSP is closer to 250 whp, bub.

so u added 100whp to a msp(btw zoom zoom boom with ure weak ass internals), add 100whp to a caliber and u still will get owned...i said mod for mod....bub

im far from a caliber fanboi....go over on caliberforums and read up on my posts.

[winniep]

I HATE the way the Caliber looks. Interior trim plastic for roof rails? Too bad I will be watching these ugly mofos gain like 2 car lengths on me. I hate to say it, but as far as the power you can make with stock internals (read Mazda is weak....) we will be shamed by the SRT. That really sucks. I do love my MS3 and would not trade it for a Caliber, but rest assured, we will be spanked by a many a Crapiber. I know that if the motor can handle even somewhat close to what the Neon SRT (owned one and miss it.....) could, we are toast. Look into a rebuild kit and fuel pump for the MS3 to keep up. Of course I say that, no one has really pushed the "limits" (big turbo and stuff) of the MS3 since we have found a fuel solution. Not that I know of anyway. I do know that when the aftermarket, especially people like AGP, jump on this turd of a car, we are in for MAJOR competition. On a lighter note, I may have just found myself the deal of a lifetime on a wrecked 05 SRT-4.

[Betelgeuse]

^^^Dude, if a Caliber puts train lengths on me, I'll just point and laugh. There's very little it can do to get my respect. The car to watch is the new Cobalt SS. That's gonna be some serious all-round competition.

[Donas64]

^^^Dude, if a Caliber puts train lengths on me, I'll just point and laugh. There's very little it can do to get my respect. The car to watch is the new Cobalt SS. That's gonna be some serious all-round competition.

yeah, I'm stoked about that bad boy.

[Speedy3]

so u added 100whp to a msp(btw zoom zoom boom with ure weak ass internals), add 100whp to a caliber and u still will get owned...i said mod for mod....bub

im far from a caliber fanboi....go over on caliberforums and read up on my posts.

Actually, it's only .1 Liter larger than ours and doesn't utilize direct injection. Also, Wards claims that the engine is held back by the 2.4 L base engine liabilities.

http://wardsauto.com/reports/2008/tenbest/10_best_engines_nominees/

This means to me that heavily modding this car is like heavily modding our car; risk of throwing a rod.

One thing I did notice about the CSRT-4 is that their power/torque numbers are wheel numbers, and are accurate to their claims.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=122859?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..3 .*

[jonathan4740]

[QUOTE=laloosh;3629208]so u added 100whp to a msp(btw zoom zoom boom with ure weak ass internals), add 100whp to a caliber and u still will get owned...i said mod for mod....bub

hey laloosh, i'm not trying to be a smartass, i see what you are trying to say about not disregarding another vehicle, but the 150 hp is for a stock 3... the speed3 is closer to 250. you can't compare the regular 3 to the srt caliber... speed3, sure.

[laloosh]

did u see the 407whp caliber? Stock engine

[laloosh]

[QUOTE=laloosh;3629208]so u added 100whp to a msp(btw zoom zoom boom with ure weak ass internals), add 100whp to a caliber and u still will get owned...i said mod for mod....bub

hey laloosh, i'm not trying to be a smartass, i see what you are trying to say about not disregarding another vehicle, but the 150 hp is for a stock 3... the speed3 is closer to 250. you can't compare the regular 3 to the srt caliber... speed3, sure.

msp = mazdaspeed protege
ms3 = mazdaspeed 3

[jonathan4740]

missed that detail, sorry. i was under the impression the discussion was between ms3 and caliber srt4

[laloosh]

it was, untill some1 with a msp chimmed in

[Speedy3]

http://www.atpturbo.com/root/releases/release010608.htm

374 HP, God knows how much torque!

[laloosh]

http://www.atpturbo.com/root/releases/release010608.htm

374 HP, God knows how much torque!

aka bull shit on the stock fuel system and no tunning what so ever. Either that or those dynos are fhp no whp

[Speedy3]

aka bull shit on the stock fuel system and no tunning what so ever. Either that or those dynos are fhp no whp

What is fhp? I'm confused by your response. They went overboard with a GT3071R turbo. What is wrong with their dyno?

[Speedy3]

so u added 100whp to a msp(btw zoom zoom boom with ure weak ass internals), add 100whp to a caliber and u still will get owned...i said mod for mod....bub

im far from a caliber fanboi....go over on caliberforums and read up on my posts.

Actually, it's only .1 Liter larger than ours and doesn't utilize direct injection. Also, Wards claims that the engine is held back by the 2.4 L base engine liabilities.

http://wardsauto.com/reports/2008/te...ines_nominees/

This means to me that heavily modding this car is like heavily modding our car; risk of throwing a rod.

One thing I did notice about the CSRT-4 is that their power/torque numbers are wheel numbers, and are accurate to their claims.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...topanel..3 .*

[laloosh]

fhp is fly wheel hp

that csrt4 does not have the same engine as the regular caliber.

the csrt4 has already surpassed 400whp with ease

[Speedy3]

fhp is fly wheel hp

that csrt4 does not have the same engine as the regular caliber.

the csrt4 has already surpassed 400whp with ease

From what I understand, it is the same as a M3 s vs a MS3=2.3 Liter engine. Same block and internals. Caliber R/T vs Caliber SRT-4 = 2.4 liter engine. Same block and internals. It is a limited engine in terms of max HP/T compared to stock.

[Speedy3]

Did you forget about 569 WHP 2.3 L Duratec?:

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123681247

[laloosh]

Did you forget about 569 WHP 2.3 L Duratec?:

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123681247

thats a built motor
please stop trying to proove me wrong, its annoying

[Knox Joe]

so u added 100whp to a msp(btw zoom zoom boom with ure weak ass internals), add 100whp to a caliber and u still will get owned...i said mod for mod....bub

im far from a caliber fanboi....go over on caliberforums and read up on my posts.
LMAO, My motor hasn't blown yet, 20k miles with mods so far, so just go ahead and keep making yourself look like more of a Caliber fan boy.

How can I get owned if I don't ever drag or roll race? (rofl)

Straight line racing is really effen gay. I don't give two shits if that fugly box on wheels can win a roll race.

lmao @ j00, still


j00--->(blowjob)<--- Caliber

No effen way a Caliber is going to keep up with my MSP down any back road, any day, any how. Sorry.

[Knox Joe]

its annoying

(potkettle)

[boostdog]

LMAO, My motor hasn't blown yet, 20k miles with mods so far, so just go ahead and keep making yourself look like more of a Caliber fan boy.

How can I get owned if I don't ever drag or roll race? (rofl)

Straight line racing is really effen gay. I don't give two shits if that fugly box on wheels can win a roll race.

lmao @ j00, still


j00--->(blowjob)<--- Caliber

No effen way a Caliber is going to keep up with my MSP down any back road, any day, any how. Sorry.

so if you don't give an ef bout the caliber in a straight line yet you say you'd kill it...what has your car done on autox track? since that's obviously where you think it is the better vehicle right? where have you run the car? what track?

[clos561]

dam everyone hating on laloosh now? (no)

[AutoXRacer]

OK, this is getting annoying... This is all talk and no action.

Someone, find a SRT-4 Caliber owner and a MS3 owner, preferably both cars stock and go to a drag strip and an autocross course.

Whoever wins, wins... End of story...

Then there will be discussions on which car is better to mod and which yields more power... (blah)

This is what you guys will need to learn!!!

There will always be a faster car than yours no matter what. There will always be a better handling car than yours. There will always be a better driver than you. Always will, no matter how much money you spend in your car...

Just wait for the magazines to do a shoot out with these cars...

Who cares which is faster, more powerful, better handling...as long as you are happy with what you have...

The end... (lol2)

[Knox Joe]

what has your car done on autox track? since that's obviously where you think it is the better vehicle right? where have you run the car? what track?

Nope, not auto-x. I don't auto-x, too boring (around here, small lots), I drive Deal's Gap, and other backroads.

See my avatar? That's the place, and my old workplace (www.dealsgap.com). 318 turns, 11 miles.

Don't give two shits about straight line performance at all. Sorry.

I used to smoke SRT-4's almost on a daily basis (I worked at Deal's Gap for a long time) in my regular 1997 Dodge Neon sport, so I am not impressed with any SRT4 at all. Not a Dodge hater, I own one, they just don't handle.

My car is just now done, so I will be attending a couple track days at Road Atlanta later this year.

[tunersteve]

Um...I posted the C&D comparo yesterday.


OK, this is getting annoying... This is all talk and no action.

Someone, find a SRT-4 Caliber owner and a MS3 owner, preferably both cars stock and go to a drag strip and an autocross course.

Whoever wins, wins... End of story...

Then there will be discussions on which car is better to mod and which yields more power... (blah)

This is what you guys will need to learn!!!

There will always be a faster car than yours no matter what. There will always be a better handling car than yours. There will always be a better driver than you. Always will, no matter how much money you spend in your car...

Just wait for the magazines to do a shoot out with these cars...

Who cares which is faster, more powerful, better handling...as long as you are happy with what you have...

The end... (lol2)

[boostdog]

Nope, not auto-x. I don't auto-x, too boring (around here, small lots), I drive Deal's Gap, and other backroads.

See my avatar? That's the place, and my old workplace (www.dealsgap.com). 318 turns, 11 miles.

Don't give two shits about straight line performance at all. Sorry.

I used to smoke SRT-4's almost on a daily basis (I worked at Deal's Gap for a long time) in my regular 1997 Dodge Neon sport, so I am not impressed with any SRT4 at all. Not a Dodge hater, I own one, they just don't handle.

My car is just now done, so I will be attending a couple track days at Road Atlanta later this year.


now I am not doubting that your car is handing beast at all here, but in reality you have no proof of how well your car would stack up to the caliber. If i were you i'd save face here and state that you think you'd beat it....don't you think that's more accurate since really it's an assumption at this point.


that would be like me saying my wrx would out handle a ferrari enzo at deal's gap because it handles well. in reality i have never run against one to really see...and since I, like you, have no DATA to compare times to...it's all speculation.

[boostdog]

Um...I posted the C&D comparo yesterday.

these cars like 99.999% of every car that is tested by magazines always handles better and goes faster stock in peoples hands that drive them everyday. real world tests are where the real #'s are going to be. case in point are laloosh and driver311's ability to take the ms3 stock to faster times in the 1/4 than any magazine did.

[Knox Joe]

now I am not doubting that your car is handing beast at all here, but in reality you have no proof of how well your car would stack up to the caliber. If i were you i'd save face here and state that you think you'd beat it....don't you think that's more accurate since really it's an assumption at this point.


that would be like me saying my wrx would out handle a ferrari enzo at deal's gap because it handles well. in reality i have never run against one to really see...and since I, like you, have no DATA to compare times to...it's all speculation.

I would, but there's no doubt in my mind that my MSP will out handle a stock Caliber SRT-4.

Oh, and you're probably not too far off about your WRX. I have kept up with a group of Ferraris in my aforementioned Dodge Neon. Had pics, but there gone with my old phone.

[boostdog]

I would, but there's no doubt in my mind that my MSP will out handle a stock Caliber SRT-4.

Oh, and you're probably not too far off about your WRX. I have kept up with a group of Ferraris in my aforementioned Dodge Neon. Had pics, but there gone with my old phone.

on the street i guess anything is possible but honestly...do you think you'd keep up with that same group of ferrari's on a autox track?

I dare so you would not.

[Knox Joe]

Eh, auto-x isn't my thing. Dodging cones just didn't appeal to me much. Maybe it's the courses here, but I do not really enjoy it.

I do know that on a mountain pass just about nothing can touch this car. I've had little "touge" battles with quite a few cars that "should" be faster, and weren't, now maybe it's my driving that's got me confident in my car, but the car does play a large part.

[detsilverms3]

well we'll see when those vehicles start hitting the roads in numbers. as of right now we all have no real world basis to go on. but i will tell you all again, straight from the horses mouth in Auburn Hills dont expect too much from the srt4 in the long run. even with the money they through into it they'd rather be building the srt8's and 10s than build the 4s the right way. it wont hold up in the wear and tear department that i can almost say for sure. And I saw someone here post something about the SS Cobalt, when was the last time chevy (let alone gm) did anything with a turbo on any vehicle that was worth a f*** other than the HD's and even then Ford always has them beat. secondly the ecotecs were blowing up without forced induction when i was working in shops let alone having a supercharger or turbo. beware of the defects that will show up with the Cobalt and HHR SSs. I swear you guys need to come to detroit and just put your ears to the ground and listen to what the engineers around here say. it's really scary. not to you guys dont know what you're talking about though. i'm just surrounded by the big three here.

[laloosh]

deal's gap boy, on a road coarse, what do you call the area's btwn the turns? Think hard on this one. REason you burn car on deal's gap is because you knwo the road better then them. people dont push their cars to the limit on the street in fear of getting arresting or going off into a tree or oncoming car.

[clos561]

deal's gap boy, on a road coarse, what do you call the area's btwn the turns? Think hard on this one. REason you burn car on deal's gap is because you knwo the road better then them. people dont push their cars to the limit on the street in fear of getting arresting or going off into a tree or oncoming car.

+1

[Knox Joe]

deal's gap boy, on a road coarse, what do you call the area's btwn the turns? Think hard on this one. REason you burn car on deal's gap is because you knwo the road better then them. people dont push their cars to the limit on the street in fear of getting arresting or going off into a tree or oncoming car.

When my car carries more entry and exit speed every single turn, I always will always be faster than that damn dodge SRT-4 mini van every time, even on a road course with long straights, sorry.

You have to remember I said my car, not a stock MSP, so get that straight, because there's no effen way a Caliber SRT-4 is going to come close to my MSP on any type of technical backroad, just like I said. Whether I know the road or not.

I don't beat every car I've raced on roads that I know like the back of my hand. I've smoked plenty of "fast" cars on unfamiliar roads.

I also don't push my car to the limit, so I don't know where you going there. (shrug)

[laloosh]

so yea, ure comparing your modded msp to a stock caliber. ive said this before, mod for mod, stock for stock, you will get OWNED by a caliber on a road coarse with equal drivers.

btw just incase you dont think im some newb. i have more road course experience/autox experience.

heres a lil clip from a newspaper about my last 185whp specv set up for autox.

Autox: Taken from www.themclub.net
"Chris Laprus was dominating Class E in ’02 Sentra Spec-V accomplishing very fast 47.078 and taking 1st. Jason’s Herrera ’98 M3 developed technical problem just before the start, which made him switch to Edgar’s Cabrera ’98 Integra-R and move to class E from his usual C, where he finished 2nd with 47.924. Peter Day was close 3rd just 0.107 behind Jason.

trust me, equal drivers, equal tires, u will get owned mod for mod stock for stock

[CX-7owner]

The Caliber got OWN3D by the GTI, a porky VW with way less output and a softer suspension, posted a lap time a second faster, I doubt a stock MSP would have any problems mopping up a Caliber, but that's not even the case, we're talking about HIS modded MSP, not a stock MSP.

[bova80]

When my car carries more entry and exit speed every single turn, I always will always be faster than that damn dodge SRT-4 mini van every time, even on a road course with long straights, sorry.

You have to remember I said my car, not a stock MSP, so get that straight, because there's no effen way a Caliber SRT-4 is going to come close to my MSP on any type of technical backroad, just like I said. Whether I know the road or not.

I don't beat every car I've raced on roads that I know like the back of my hand. I've smoked plenty of "fast" cars on unfamiliar roads.

I also don't push my car to the limit, so I don't know where you going there. (shrug)


guarentee there are tons of cars that would smoke you. is your suspension stock or modified? why don't you go race an rx-8 through some twisties and see who gets their ass handed to them.

[Haltech]

hey not everyone wants to mod their cars..wow a cai..but seriuosly..nitrous, fuel system, tune, exhaust, dp, turbos..it gets expensive and when you brake your only dd this is what happens...
you have to sit and wait till a new short block comes in. put it all in and wait wait wait..ive pulled 3 motors from my dd camaro, 2 from my mustang, one from a z28 maro, and never to be my mazda speed just to get 12s..ive learned that when im going to track a car,,its going to be a track car and thats what my new mustANg is for..
once you start modding you dont stop
i had to wait a month to get my dd mustang back on the road.. it was a 11.1 car and it got my nowhere

you go from this:
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g168/eyedream31/cars/IMG_1432-vi.jpg
to this:
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g168/eyedream31/cars/DSC01677.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g168/eyedream31/cars/DSC01671.jpg

A real tune with SCT software would prevented that...(boom07)

[Haltech]

Until we get a real ECU solution, we are stuck at where we are now. Hopefully, Cobb will open the doors and from that point on, we will be making the same power as the CSRT4 guys. IT may be an ugly looking vehicle, but it will be fast and the tuners out there are already familiar with the ECU, not to mention 5X the aftermarket support.

People may not like my Lightning but i can mop up 70% of what shows up at the track with it and drive it home when im done. The point im making is, this is a fun car to drive and mod, but its definately not going to survive the track 3 times a week like my truck. Ill be happy with 375whp in my MS3 if they day comes. With the fines and punishment for street racing these days, its stupid not to goto the track to get it out of your blood. Just the MS3 cant hold up to that punishment for long periods of time.

[MS3Chik]

A real tune with SCT software would prevented that...(boom07)

there was sct tunes in it..(boom01)
its after running it for 1 1/2 that wears it down

[boostdog]

Until we get a real ECU solution, we are stuck at where we are now. Hopefully, Cobb will open the doors and from that point on, we will be making the same power as the CSRT4 guys. IT may be an ugly looking vehicle, but it will be fast and the tuners out there are already familiar with the ECU, not to mention 5X the aftermarket support.

People may not like my Lightning but i can mop up 70% of what shows up at the track with it and drive it home when im done. The point im making is, this is a fun car to drive and mod, but its definately not going to survive the track 3 times a week like my truck. Ill be happy with 375whp in my MS3 if they day comes. With the fines and punishment for street racing these days, its stupid not to goto the track to get it out of your blood. Just the MS3 cant hold up to that punishment for long periods of time.


how do you know? has it been proven yet? i have yet to see much on the ms3 breaking with aftermarket parts making alot of hp to prove this claim.

[Haltech]

how do you know? has it been proven yet? i have yet to see much on the ms3 breaking with aftermarket parts making alot of hp to prove this claim.

Oh come on.. no MS3 pushing 300+ horsepower with high RPM launches is going to survive hard drag strip use week after week. Ive got over 3700 HARD passes in my truck over the course of 6 years and even i sufferent from rear end problems! The MS3 doesnt have the strongest axles and tranny (boom02)

[Betelgeuse]

The MS3 doesnt have the strongest axles and tranny (boom02)

And you know that how?

[Eddie Wetzel]

Just wait for the magazines to do a shoot out with these cars...
(lol2)


Car and Driver already did a comparo. $25K shootout actually. It included the new Volvo C30, The CSRT4, MS3, and the new WRX..

Long story short.

Caliber was fastest in some things, MS3 was fastest in others.

The Caliber ended up LAST, BUT...BIG BUT... everything it REALLY lost points on was subjective. That means looks! They said it handled great on the highway for lane change and it handled great in the twisties. They just hate how it looks and thought the interior was cheap.

The MS3 ended up FIRST! Mostly because they liked the way it looked better. They liked the interior also saying it was well appointed and sophisticated. They also mentioned how it handled.


But, if you look at the break down of points awarded you will see the biggest disparity was in the LOOKS and INTERIOR points. NOT ANY of the performance points.

[laloosh]

it trapped the highest and had the highest lane change mph

[Betelgeuse]

C&D test sheet scores:

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/14234/2007-mazdaspeed-3.html
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/14236/2008-dodge-caliber-srt4.html

srt-4

skidpad - .84g
70-0 - 176 ft
5-60 - 6.6 sec
50-70 - 9.9 sec
lane change - 58.1 mph
0-60 - 5.8 sec
0-100 - 14 sec
0-130 - 27.2 sec
quarter - 14.4 @ 101

ms3

skidpad - .87g
70-0 - 160 ft
5-60 - 6.7 sec
50-70 - 7.2 sec
lane change - 57.6 mph
0-60 - 5.6 sec
0-100 - 14.2 sec
0-130 - 27.4 sec
quarter - 14.2 @ 100




Looking at the test sheets, the ms3 won for obvious reasons. And the people here screaming about how much better the caliber is in a straight line, well, it's a driver's race period.

[tunersteve]

Guys, I posted these exact same links yesterday, go back a few pages and look. IMO this thread is getting a bit out of control, straying from the topic.


C&D test sheet scores:

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/14234/2007-mazdaspeed-3.html
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/14236/2008-dodge-caliber-srt4.html

srt-4

skidpad - .84g
70-0 - 176 ft
5-60 - 6.6 sec
50-70 - 9.9 sec
lane change - 58.1 mph
0-60 - 5.8 sec
0-100 - 14 sec
0-130 - 27.2 sec
quarter - 14.4 @ 101

ms3

skidpad - .87g
70-0 - 160 ft
5-60 - 6.7 sec
50-70 - 7.2 sec
lane change - 57.6 mph
0-60 - 5.6 sec
0-100 - 14.2 sec
0-130 - 27.4 sec
quarter - 14.2 @ 100




Looking at the test sheets, the ms3 won for obvious reasons. And the people here screaming about how much better the caliber is in a straight line, well, it's a driver's race period.

[laloosh]

or you can see what the car did in about 3 weeks after being out

http://www.dcrsrt.com/Video/Caliber%2012's%202%20of%202.wmv

[Betelgeuse]

Guys, I posted these exact same links yesterday, go back a few pages and look. IMO this thread is getting a bit out of control, straying from the topic.


Soooo... do you want a cookie? Or maybe a thankyou? This is the second time you repeated this. And why clutter the thread with the quote? I went a little further and made it easier for people to compare both cars. I'm not dissing your contribution.

[MS3Chik]

it trapped the highest and had the highest lane change mph

that was by 1. he could have spun a little bit more than the ms3 and that rasied the mph

[laloosh]

look at other reviews where bone stock the car ran 103 or 104mph, did they spin a lil 2?

[MS3Chik]

yea

[MS3Chik]

the more you spin the more mph you get

[laloosh]

look up my posts before u preach to me about drag racing lol
your not going to pick up 3-4mph because you spun

[MS3Chik]

i dont give a shit what you post..i drag race also..if you knew that you wouldnt be posting about stupid mph gains

[laloosh]

i dont give a shit what you post..i drag race also..if you knew that you wouldnt be posting about stupid mph gains

mph is what determins power, traction is what determins et

try again

stupid mph gains....lol

[MS3Chik]

your getting the mph up also with your rpms..race something faster than 11s then talk me

[tunersteve]

Soooo... do you want a cookie? Or maybe a thankyou? This is the second time you repeated this. And why clutter the thread with the quote? I went a little further and made it easier for people to compare both cars. I'm not dissing your contribution.

All I'm saying is people need to go and read through the thread...not continue to contribute things that we already know. This thread isn't really going anywhere, it's just turning into a "MS3 > Caliber" thread, where opinions are running rampid. To each his own I guess. Its just beginning to sound childish.

[laloosh]

lol at you thinking this is my only toy. Stop, your embarssing yourself.


explain to me how spinning gains 3-4mph on a stock car?

[MS3Chik]

like i said...when you race something faster than 11s

[laloosh]

i do, its go two wheels and it will piss all over the mustang your bf built

try posting in 4-5 days

[MS3Chik]

All I'm saying is people need to go and read through the thread...not continue to contribute things that we already know. This thread isn't really going anywhere, it's just turning into a "MS3 > Caliber" thread, where opinions are running rampid. To each his own I guess. Its just beginning to sound childish.

just a little bit....
i highly recommend ppl to test drive them.its really interesting. you are expecting alot and then its really not

[MS3Chik]

i do, its go two wheels and it will piss all over the mustang your bf built

id like to see that happen.. your bike runs 8s?

[laloosh]

like i said, post in 4-5 days

[MS3Chik]

huh

[Betelgeuse]

Face it, it's a driver's race people. The 1 mph difference in trap could go either way. Look at the 0 - 130 time , both cars are pretty much neck and neck. Rather than argue about that why not observe the much better braking and skidpad on the ms3.

[laloosh]

no1 said it wasnt a drivers race stock for stock. We are talking about the modability of this engine.

[MS3Chik]

i dont care if the caliber ran 12s..i can really care less...

[laloosh]

huh

think a lil harder about this one.

4-5days

[laloosh]

i dont care if the caliber ran 12s..i can really care less...

the caliber trapped 117.xx, what did ure low 11 second mustang trap? let me guess 124ish?

[MS3Chik]

dude where are you coming at? that gt was my old dd car.. i have 2 dif cars now?? why are you comparing the caliber to my cars? i thought we were talking about you and ur bike

[Betelgeuse]

no1 said it wasnt a drivers race stock for stock. We are talking about the modability of this engine.


Well yeah of course but how long has the SRT-4 been out? It really shouldn't be a surprise that there's stuff out for it already.


I don't think it's fair to judge the DISI given the little time it's been on the streets.

[laloosh]

u posted a picture of your mustang that ran low 11s and broke. you say trap speed doesnt mean shit, your 11 second mustang probably trapped a low 120s, this caliber thats been out for a month trapped 118 and will trap alot higher sooner. your mustang ran low 11s this thing ran mid 12s....you see where im getting at here?

[laloosh]

Well yeah of course but how long has the SRT-4 been out? It really shouldn't be a surprise that there's stuff out for it already.


I don't think it's fair to judge the DISI given the little time it's been on the streets.

the caliber srt4 has been about about a month. DCR ran 12.5 @ 118 3 week after purchasing the car lol. The csrt and nsrt are different engines

[MS3Chik]

stop getting butt hurt about everything else that everyone says...you need to get off that high horse and get over yourself..really

it is annoying
you brought your info to the table..awesome

now..man how about that stuid test drive
oh yea i took my bf to the same dealership yesterday and they wouldnt let him test drive it..lol

[MS3Chik]

u posted a picture of your mustang that ran low 11s and broke. you say trap speed doesnt mean shit, your 11 second mustang probably trapped a low 120s, this caliber thats been out for a month trapped 118 and will trap alot higher sooner. your mustang ran low 11s this thing ran mid 12s....you see where im getting at here?

no i dont..i dont care.. my mustang only had 365 hp also...so how much does that say dumb ass

[laloosh]

stop getting butt hurt about everything else that everyone says...you need to get off that high horse and get over yourself..really

it is annoying
you brought your info to the table..awesome

now..man how about that stuid test drive
oh yea i took my bf to the same dealership yesterday and they wouldnt let him test drive it..lol

you have boobs, perk them up and they'll let u drive it.

Get over myself? lol. Show me where im being cocky.

[Betelgeuse]

the caliber srt4 has been about about a month. DCR ran 12.5 @ 118 3 week after purchasing the car lol. The csrt and nsrt are different engines


Yeah but the aftermarket was already established way before the caliber was out. Different? How different can they be? You really think that these companies waited to get their hands on the caliber and then did everything from scratch? Sorry no way.

[laloosh]

no i dont..i dont care.. my mustang only had 365 hp also...so how much does that say dumb ass

like i said, post in 4-5 days.

btw 365hp and low 11s in a mustang doesn't work....did u actually do anything to mustang or did you bf just throw u the keys

[laloosh]

Yeah but the aftermarket was already established way before the caliber was out. Different? How different can they be? You really think that these companies waited to get their hands on the caliber and then did everything from scratch? Sorry no way.

google dcr

[MS3Chik]

like i said, post in 4-5 days.

btw 365hp and low 11s in a mustang doesn't work....did u actually do anything to mustang or did you bf just throw u the keys

shows how much you know

what are you gunna have me banned??

[laloosh]

no, a 365hp mustang will not go low 11s. To go low 11s you need to be trapping over 120, trapping over 120 in a mustang requires more than 365hp. once again...trap speed, something your bf didnt teach you yet.

btw why would i have you banned. im not a mod here, nor do i care enough.

[MS3Chik]

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g168/eyedream31/cars/11111.jpg
y do you have to say "that cant be done" you dont know.. anything can happen..its called hgood combos..dyno numbers dont mean anything..i had a great converter in that car that made it move out..be ignorant and rude..it shows what kiind of person you are..i wished you lived around me then i can show you a few things about cars and racing..oh for not letting post (get over yourself once again..someone actually knows about someting and you ban them..way to go!)
get over yourself..you are ignorant and dont know crap..im done with you..its like talking to a dog

[laloosh]

so um u posted a dyno chart, whats your point. That mustang did not trap 120 to go low 11s.

Its liek talking to a bitch, you know a female version of a dog

[tunersteve]

Here's all the posts with the reference "mazdaspeed" in them.

http://www.caliberforums.com/forums/search.php?searchid=135958

[Betelgeuse]

google dcr

DCR is dedicated to the SRT-4 so it's a no brainer they'll make stuff for the caliber like they did for the Neon. I still don't see the big surprise here. They probably had the specs on the engine from Dodge way before hand.

http://www.dcrsrt.com/

[laloosh]

who cares where they got the specs. Fact is fact
1.5 year and we cant even drive our fucken cars in cold weather
3 weeks and their biggest concern is traction.

[Betelgeuse]

All I'm saying is people need to go and read through the thread...not continue to contribute things that we already know. This thread isn't really going anywhere, it's just turning into a "MS3 > Caliber" thread, where opinions are running rampid. To each his own I guess. Its just beginning to sound childish.

This thread was started by someone who wasn't impressed with the Caliber on a Mazda forum. Of course there will be a lot more ms3>caliber than the other way round. People are just posting their opinions just like you. When they start calling each other names, that's when things get childish. So far I haven't seen that.

[Ben Nast]

The Caliber has a great motor and thats it. Bottom line. My 04 srt4 has a great motor too and I am keeping that for my straight line dragster. I think over all the majority of "opinions" out there will be the Csrt4 is a cheesy tub on wheels with a great motor. As for my ms3 I got that as an all around fun daily driver to keep basically stock and under warranty. I have loved and followed the srt4 from the begining but I dont know what it is about the csrt4I would be embarrased to own one. Even most of the people on the Srt4 forums would agree with me except for maybe neondan and a few others. If all one cares about is straight line power for cheap and thats it, than the Csrt would be perfect.

[Betelgeuse]

who cares where they got the specs. Fact is fact
1.5 year and we cant even drive our fucken cars in cold weather
3 weeks and their biggest concern is traction.

Who cares? I do big time. I wish Mazda had a dedicated company like that and were willing to work with them and share info. We wouldn't be having these problems. Anyway I believe the issues will be solved in due time. Just a little patience man.

[laloosh]

i have patience, hence me still owning this car. This whole thing was started with me saying people dont give the csrt credit where credit is certainly due

[clos561]

who cares where they got the specs. Fact is fact
1.5 year and we cant even drive our fucken cars in cold weather
3 weeks and their biggest concern is traction.

yea but, they have more mods and they have alot more tuning experience and time to get the car right...no company has stepped up with a ms3 like they have for the caliber...we are doing private mods paying for dynos and tuning sessions...they do it when ever they want...i heard something ridiculous like they did 50+ pulls on the dyno first night they had it and did alot of tuning...thats not something everyone can do...i proly will never do taht many runs on this car jstu like most of us on this forum with our ms3's

- i give them credit for sure (i just read ur last post)

[laloosh]

it doesnt matter, fact is they got it done.

alot of people here should visit caliberforums.com
read up on whats actualy done to the car

[CX-7owner]

i have patience, hence me still owning this car. This whole thing was started with me saying people dont give the csrt credit where credit is certainly due

Due where? The CSRT-4 is a piece of shit, with a "brake lock differential"(braindead. It has an easier engine to mod, that's all it has going for it, and it's not much.

[laloosh]

people like, need to go to caliberforums.com
educate yourself on what your speaking about, then speak

[sanblaster]

Settle down already. Can't have a srt-4 without people going ape shit.

[Betelgeuse]

i have patience, hence me still owning this car. This whole thing was started with me saying people dont give the csrt credit where credit is certainly due

Credit has already been given to the neon a long time ago. That car was very likable. I can't extend the same respect to the Caliber. For one it's hideous, yes I know that's subjective but it's a big deal to me. Secondly, it's pretty much a mini SUV which I despise. It's got the stance, the huge wheels, the big fugly truck grill, and an interior layout that I don't care for. It doesn't brake or handle that well either. There's just too much going wrong for it IMO.

[MS3Chik]

what did everyone think when they first test drove the ms3? i didnt really like it until the second test drive..mostly bc ive never driven a fwd car b4 and i had to get used to it..

my dealer guy took me through these " zoom zoom" hills..it was fun

[laloosh]

i liked it cause i had enough of my dsm lol. Having a truck DD and having my 91 dsm, stepping foot inside the ms3 was like heaven lol. IT actually worked.....then it got cold(rei)

[Ben Nast]

What happens to the ms3 in the cold? Mine works fine. Are you talking about traction?

[clos561]

1st test drive and i bought the car the same night...i love my car, i know what is done to the car but im just saying...and i know what u mean, regardless of time spent on the car the got it done but still, consider the time they put into it. Its hard for me to explain exactly what i mean.. i dunno

[clos561]

anyone have the link for the caliber forums that has the caliber mods on it?

[CX-7owner]

http://www.caliberforums.com/

[clos561]

ehh yea i know that but i cant find the thread

[Betelgeuse]

what did everyone think when they first test drove the ms3? i didnt really like it until the second test drive..mostly bc ive never driven a fwd car b4 and i had to get used to it..

my dealer guy took me through these " zoom zoom" hills..it was fun



I always liked the 3 hatch so it was easy for me. I had a mazda 6s before and it was ok but I was looking for something smaller, faster, better on gas, and practical. I considered the Civic SI but was disappointed with the performance, then I looked at possibly getting an SRT-4 but they were being discontinued and no way in hell was I gonna buy one used:(.

My co-worker had a wrx and loved it so decided to possibly get a wrx wagon, even went to test drive one but decided against it after reading about the possible tranny issues. Then came the ms3 which sealed the deal.

[jp4130]

you guys need to go over to caliberforums and educate yourselves on the potential of this engine


more like 12.5 @ almost 118.

The 407whp was on nitrous, the 12.5 was also using nitrous in only 3rd and 4th.

of the nitrious the car made 349whp and wetn 12.79 @ 114.

All this dignity stuffy u guys are tlaking about is based purly on opinion.
Face the facts, the caliber is a force to be reconded with and will go faster then the ms3 due to a better engine and a normal ecu.

Man you really need to go and get youself a camaro; get an automatic while your at it, then you won't have to drive your car at all, just piont it straight.
Why are you driving the speed, all you care about is trap speed. This is really not a drag car.


yea, im the one who did it remember. ET doesnt mean shit, its a matter of traction. i trapped 112mph as my best with no nitrous, the trapped 114.xx off the bottle and 117.xx on the bottle


as for as the 'lets see that car go around the track....yea cause about 2 percent of this board does actual track racing.

Man you really do not get what mazdas are about. They are the most road raced vehicles in north america. People who drive mazdas love to drive a car that handle amazingly with proper steering feel.


deal's gap boy, on a road coarse, what do you call the area's btwn the turns? Think hard on this one. REason you burn car on deal's gap is because you knwo the road better then them. people dont push their cars to the limit on the street in fear of getting arresting or going off into a tree or oncoming car.

Post a pic of your tires, I'm betting the outside shoulder of your tires is in amazing shape, scared of driving one of the best roads out there like Deal's Gap? Go get that camaro, while your at it install a chain link steering wheel.
I bet your bike's tires have the same immaculate shoulder ware.


guarentee there are tons of cars that would smoke you. is your suspension stock or modified? why don't you go race an rx-8 through some twisties and see who gets their ass handed to them.

Dude i believe him. I've embarresd acuru nsx's, sti's and many other in my ms3in the twistys. They have faster cars but no guts i guess.



look up my posts before u preach to me about drag racing lol
your not going to pick up 3-4mph because you spun

Go get that camaro man, then head the strip.


you have boobs, perk them up and they'll let u drive it.

Get over myself? lol. Show me where im being cocky.


so um u posted a dyno chart, whats your point. That mustang did not trap 120 to go low 11s.

Its liek talking to a bitch, you know a female version of a dog

Dude you mother must not have taught you to respect women, did she?


who cares where they got the specs. Fact is fact
1.5 year and we cant even drive our fucken cars in cold weather
3 weeks and their biggest concern is traction.

My car works great in the cold.
I think what mean to say is:
Those who do not have the kwnowledge or skills to proplery tune this car can not drive them in the cold.
I bet you will not screw up tuning that comaro your going to get.

[laloosh]

first of all newb did u read my magazine quote?
you say im all about straight line and you want to see my tires...
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j299/laloosh04/th_MOV00533.jpg (http://s83.photobucket.com/albums/j299/laloosh04/?action=view&current=MOV00533.flv)
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j299/laloosh04/DSC00526.jpg
here my first run of tri states a couple years back in my autox stx prepped specv.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j299/laloosh04/th_chrisrun1.jpg (http://s83.photobucket.com/albums/j299/laloosh04/?action=view&current=chrisrun1.flv)
i go all out on the first run, hence the crash at the end, btw i won tri states that year lol

do you still want to see my tires?
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j299/laloosh04/Bikesexy.jpg
notice the tiny chicken strip on the FRONT tire. it would be gone, but i prefer not pushing my luck on the bike, its a pebble away or a squirel away from crashing 10gs and ending up in the hospitol...no thx

the reason why im ont serious with this car in autox is because its too damn heavy imo

2nd of all, mod your car, then see how it drives in the cold weather. Read up, most of the 'tuning' on this board is done by 3 people, im one of them...once again, way to own yourself.

3rd of all, my pm box isnt full yet, let know if you need any tips....lol at people like you thinking all i do is drag race. who's next to get owned?(idhitit)

[happy and angry]

Wow you sure "owned" him alright.

[laloosh]

yea high five buddy...(cricket)

people assume to many things on these boards without actually doing ANY research on topics

[happy and angry]

I think what I was saying is that maybe you should put your dick back in your pants and the ruler away instead of being a cocky prick.

[laloosh]

stupidity annoys me.....sorry
im not a cocky prick untill my rep or comments get questioned. Soon enough people will believe that i don't make up shit or lie, no reason

[happy and angry]

No worries, it annoys all of us. But honestly, this jackass is talking about how much shoulder wear you have on your tires, as if taking dumb risks with his car/life and driving like an idiot on public roads somehow proves something other than that he's an idiot. Is he really worth your time?

Just don't wanna be on a forum that other people look at as being "that" forum, ya know?

[laloosh]

(drinks)

[MS3Chik]

i really liked the regular 3 wagon also..so i was gunna get that and then i was builing and pricing online and i saw the little advertisement for the speed3 with the headers poppping out of it..lol.that sold me on it

[jp4130]

stupidity annoys me.....sorry
im not a cocky prick untill my rep or comments get questioned. Soon enough people will believe that i don't make up shit or lie, no reason

Awsome you do really use your car for more than drags.
I was serious about seeing your tires man, Thing is I have
read post ofter post pertaining to 1/4 mile and hp,
I've seen nothing else. You really come off as one
of those sraight line only guys. It is rad to see that
you really do "Drive" your cars like they were meant to be driven.
Theres to many people with fast cars who could not even tell
what heel toe is.
(2thumbs)

[Knox Joe]

guarentee there are tons of cars that would smoke you. is your suspension stock or modified? why don't you go race an rx-8 through some twisties and see who gets their ass handed to them.

Been there, done that. There were RX-8 meet ups at the Gap. I've smoked plenty of them.

[Knox Joe]

first of all newb did u read my magazine quote?
you say im all about straight line and you want to see my tires...
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j299/laloosh04/th_MOV00533.jpg (http://s83.photobucket.com/albums/j299/laloosh04/?action=view&current=MOV00533.flv)
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j299/laloosh04/DSC00526.jpg
here my first run of tri states a couple years back in my autox stx prepped specv.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j299/laloosh04/th_chrisrun1.jpg (http://s83.photobucket.com/albums/j299/laloosh04/?action=view&current=chrisrun1.flv)
i go all out on the first run, hence the crash at the end, btw i won tri states that year lol

do you still want to see my tires?
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j299/laloosh04/Bikesexy.jpg
notice the tiny chicken strip on the FRONT tire. it would be gone, but i prefer not pushing my luck on the bike, its a pebble away or a squirel away from crashing 10gs and ending up in the hospitol...no thx

the reason why im ont serious with this car in autox is because its too damn heavy imo

2nd of all, mod your car, then see how it drives in the cold weather. Read up, most of the 'tuning' on this board is done by 3 people, im one of them...once again, way to own yourself.

3rd of all, my pm box isnt full yet, let know if you need any tips....lol at people like you thinking all i do is drag race. who's next to get owned?(idhitit)

Wow, you're slow.(jerkit)

Why the hell should anyone listen to you??? LMFAO!!!!!!

I could smoke you in my car and on my bike, anyday of the week.

Definitely won't be taking any of your comments or advice seriously now.(fuoops)

Also, R6s don't cost 10 grand, anywhere.

[Betelgeuse]

No worries, it annoys all of us. But honestly, this jackass is talking about how much shoulder wear you have on your tires, as if taking dumb risks with his car/life and driving like an idiot on public roads somehow proves something other than that he's an idiot. Is he really worth your time?

Just don't wanna be on a forum that other people look at as being "that" forum, ya know?


This is the reason threads are locked, why resort to name calling?

[Betelgeuse]

stupidity annoys me.....sorry
im not a cocky prick untill my rep or comments get questioned. Soon enough people will believe that i don't make up shit or lie, no reason


You might autx, but based on your comments on every forum I've seen you post on, you're more about straight line performance. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm the same way and bought this car because I know it's fast.

However I know better than to think it's a good platform for drag racing because it's not. It can be made to be fast but there are a much better cars out there for that purpose. It's a good all-round performer.

[bova80]

Been there, done that. There were RX-8 meet ups at the Gap. I've smoked plenty of them.

bull shit. get one that is mod for mod with you and it will kick the shit out of you. so will plenty of speeds. you probably have a fully modified suspension and are going against stock cars. does you protege have perfect 50/50 weight distribution, i dont think so. have fun eating a tree next time you go do you back road runs. hope the cops are sitting there waiting for you too. if you car is so good why don't you go enter it into some races and mop up? oh wait they are to "boring" for you. give me a break. i bet you can probably beat an sti or the new nissan gtr on that road too right? maybe even a formula 1 car.

[happy and angry]

Awsome you do really use your car for more than drags.
I was serious about seeing your tires man, Thing is I have
read post ofter post pertaining to 1/4 mile and hp,
I've seen nothing else. You really come off as one
of those sraight line only guys. It is rad to see that
you really do "Drive" your cars like they were meant to be driven.
Theres to many people with fast cars who could not even tell
what heel toe is.
(2thumbs)What does any of this stuff matter? What does shoulder wear prove? What does using heel and toe demonstrate?

[Sacrilicious]

look, we all know the msp handles very well, but come ON now...a well-designed FR car will whip the msp any day of the week (all things equal). obviously, a superior driver can turn the tables, but as far as the cars go, let's not make the msp a car that it is not. mod and tune it all you want, but a good FR car has way more potential than any of our FF cars...

[laloosh]

gap boy;

look up the price of an r6. its 9400 bucks, add tax tittle reg, powercommander, dual compund pps, exhaust, and a filter.....its over 10gs
once again you fail.

you might be faster than me on a bike, i wont ever argue that, cause i still have fear on the street. in a car however, lol good luck buddy. Wanna meet up at vir? you against me, my ms3 vs your msp. if i get you by over a second, you buy tires, if ure within a second of me, i buy tires.

owning a bike, you should know the street and track are two different things. i know a bunch of fast guys on the street that look silly at a track.

[tsunami]

locked due to douchebaggery...

if i get around to it i will open it up after a pruning....

can't we all just get along and agree to disagree??? dear lord people!