1.6 Intake

[IAMHOLLYWOOD]

So whats the best intake for a 1.6L Protege Engine?
SRI or CAI. ive been looking but i dnt know anything about any of them. so if people could help me out, that'd be great(scratch)

[red95_240sx]

there are no good CAI for the 1.6L. But simota and weapon-r r the best bets for function. Search more, you will see that there is alot of porblems with the 1.6L with intakes. Search about the celica MAF too.

[IukekiniProtege]

for the 1.6l do not expect gains from the intake, unless you want a gain in sound. Injen CAI if you can find one is very nice for looks and sounds amazing. However, with the stock MAF expect hesitation, jumpy idle, and possibly a CEL. Cosmo makes a CAI which looks very similar to the Injen, but I can not vouch for the quality of it. If you go with a cold air intake you may want to invest in an AEM DryFlow Filter seeing how where the filter is placed it is very likely that water will reach the filter. And $40 now is better then $2,000+ for a new motor later.

Link to the other MAF option, which will allow you to use CAI that are bigger then 2.25" in diameter:
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123681962

as for short rams I think red99pro has you covered for your options.

[NCZ13]

for the 1.6l do not expect gains from the intake, unless you want a gain in sound. Injen CAI if you can find one is very nice for looks and sounds amazing. However, with the stock MAF expect hesitation, jumpy idle, and possibly a CEL. Cosmo makes a CAI which looks very similar to the Injen, but I can not vouch for the quality of it. If you go with a cold air intake you may want to invest in an AEM DryFlow Filter seeing how where the filter is placed it is very likely that water will reach the filter. And $40 now is better then $2,000+ for a new motor later.

Link to the other MAF option, which will allow you to use CAI that are bigger then 2.25" in diameter:
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123681962

as for short rams I think red99pro has you covered for your options.

the AEM dryflow has nothing to do with whether or not it sucks up water.

dryflow refers to the fact you dont have to oil the filter for it to catch the particles in the air.

hydrolocking your engine would be extremely hard, you would literally have to drive through a 2 foot puddle

[IukekiniProtege]

have u ever submerged a dryflow filter then a crap one from like autozone, very little water comes into the dryflow filter and takes much longer so it does make a difference. The only reason why you dont have to oil it is because its is made of a synthetic material that repels water and cleans much easier as is. Also, if you live in the NE or anywhere that gets snow and they salt the rods, good luck with a crap filter that has metal holding it together, it will last maybe a month before the coating wears off the metal it rusts and starts falling apart.

[Witchdoktor]

So whats the best intake for a 1.6L Protege Engine?
SRI or CAI. ive been looking but i dnt know anything about any of them. so if people could help me out, that'd be great(scratch)

intakes on a 1.6 are a complete waste of money. you won't notice any gains. some intakes are 2.5", our stock pipe is 2.25" meaning you'll run into issues (hesitating, jerking, rough idle and cel P0171). some people swear a celica maf solves the issue but even if it does that's more money on top of the price of the intake and for what gains? nothing.

[red95_240sx]

gains in sound.

[Witchdoktor]

this is true. "pssss pssss"

[luwe]

i suggest placing a drop-in k&n filter

[mpsam]

does it really solve the problem with the celica maf??

[red95_240sx]

its all about the seal and piping size. i got my intake to work with mazda sensor

[IukekiniProtege]

redpro your about the only one ever to get a larger intake to work properly with a mazda maf. Honestly the celica one is a good deal. It runs great with a 2.5" intake and you dont have to mess with different tricks and what ever with seals. If you want to keep the mazda MAF just make or buy an intake(simota) that is 2.25". Otherwise upgrade the MAF and it will run properly.

[red95_240sx]

i do have a celica MAF now for months.

The intake i have is a weapon-r. i believe its 2.25, and i also had 2 stacks of inner tube patches cut over it.

[Protege99LX]

I'm not sure if this should be posted in the How To section but if it needs to be moved, go ahead.

When I first tried to install a Spectre short ram intake (3" diameter) from O'Reillys on my 1.6L, I had a great deal of trouble even getting the car to run or even start at all. When I tried to start it up, it would sputter and die like it was getting too much air. After much experimenting, i gave up and put the stock intake system back on. I later figured out that you could drop a cone filter in right before the stock air-box and gut out the filter to make it work. While this made me happier, it just didn't quite do it so i started to so some more research about the MAF and pipe sizes. I discovered that the MAF for the 1.6L is looking for a 2.25 inch pipe diameter. So I went down to Home Depot and bought some rubber tubing with an outer diameter of 3" and an inner diameter of 2.25". Then i slipped it inside of the MAF adapter i bought from O'Reillys and cut out a hole for the MAF. I put the filter back on, cranked it up and it worked perfectly. So i went back to O'Reillys and bought some more tubing to convert it to a CAI and ran it down into the fender well. It has worked well for months now. I am sad to say however that the hesitation issue around 2500 and 3500 rpm was not resolved but i could notice an overall increase in performance. I just purchased an Injen CAI from another member on the forum and I plan to try the same thing on the Injen. Ill post pictures of both set ups when I get a chance. If you decide to try this, let me know how it works for you. If this works on the Injen, it would open up a bunch of different intakes for the 1.6L guys. Also, a couple weeks ago I installed the axle back exhaust off the MSP (not the racing beat one). Perfect fit, great look, awesome sound, and a noticeable performance gain. I think it reduced some of the back pressure created by the CAI. Anyway, hopefully this simple intake mod will work for you guys. Good luck, and let me know your results. :)

[ghostbusters]

isnt the weapon r 2.25 diameter piping? this should not cause hesitation should it?, does it?

[red95_240sx]

no its the seal on it u have to worry about.

[red95_240sx]

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123707640

hes got one for sale

[silver_astina02]

My custom CAI works fine - 2.25" pipe for MAF adaptor and 3" pipe for rest. I havent experienced any hesitation or whatsoever. The only issue is that it screams at full throttle.

[red95_240sx]

hewls chea. hiss at idle???

[silver_astina02]

naa it is quiet at idle with a quiet hiss

[red95_240sx]

??????????well...mines is loud.

[ghostbusters]

does the weapon R intake cause the hesitation problem?, i'm interested in purchasing the one being sold...does anyone know? and if the seal is the issue, can the bottom of the maf sensor be lined with a thin layer of silicone to ensure a proper seal is formed???

[red95_240sx]

u may have to make a gasket with bicycle inner tube patching if the seal is bad, but i think they redsesigned the flange.

for thirds/fourths, the weapon-r piping is correct diameter, and should not cause hesitation.

[ghostbusters]

yeah, from what i saw online, the maf sensor adaptor is 2.25 inches right? so once i get the weapon R i should be fine?

[ghostbusters]

red99pro, u had a weapon R intake for sale previously right?, did it cause hesitation problems?

[edumspeed]

My car has a cai/ram air that I made w some APC plastic parts (2.5"). The first time I installed it the engine had trouble to accelerate. I made a reducer pipe on the Maf adapter w a piece of pvc and foam sandwiched inside it. And since my Maf was already on the verge of death, I replaced it w a Celica unit, the best $80 bucks I've spent on this car. It made a big difference, specially w the ram air tubbing connected. No low end hesitation and a great sound at wot. I've had this combination for two years. No problems. It pulls better at med/high rpm, since these engines, to be honest, have their powerband.

[red95_240sx]

yeah when i put mines on out the box, i had problems until i made a gasket out of inner tube patching. has been working for bout 2 years now. i got the celica maf for no reason, expecting smoother performance.

[red95_240sx]

you see how its sandwhiched between the MAF and the flange. Use some manicure scissors to cut the circles for the MAF and the sscrews.

http://www.toprotege.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37912&page=7

[Protephile]

Shameless plug for me!
I have the Simota SRI in stock for $65.00 plus $15.00 shipping.

[red95_240sx]

^or that. i never saw u aorund anymore

[Protephile]

^or that. i never saw u aorund anymore

I'm still here every day :)

[Mazdawarbird]

....hence my selling my 1.6 (smash). 2.0ES FTW!(rlaugh)

[ghostbusters]

hey protephile, does the simota cause the hesitation issue?, if not, do you take paypal?, and can u post a pic of the intake please

[Protephile]

hey protephile, does the simota cause the hesitation issue?, if not, do you take paypal?, and can u post a pic of the intake please

Yes, I take Paypal. akawest@comcast.net.
No hesitation with this intake. Here is an installed pic
sent by a forum member:

[RX729]

Does someone have a link to the Celica MAF upgrade...?

[IukekiniProtege]

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123681962 it was still on the first page for the 1.6l thread. If you have questions or concerns feel free to ask me

[IAMHOLLYWOOD]

so wait, for the simota intake, do you need the celica MAF?

[IukekiniProtege]

that would be a negative squirrel. The Celica MAF is only needed with intakes that are 2.5" in diameter, the simota intake is 2.25" same as stock so the stock MAF works fine. However, the celica maf works in the stock intake fine too, so i would imagine it works in the simota intakes just not needed.

[99zomzom]

i still have the stock air box system and was asking if it would be a good or bad idea to remove the snorkle box for more air.

[red95_240sx]

i think

[IukekiniProtege]

you wont see any gains, ut will give u a bit of a deep growl when on the throttle, but wont hurt anything.

[protege06]

intakes on a 1.6 are a complete waste of money. you won't notice any gains. some intakes are 2.5", our stock pipe is 2.25" meaning you'll run into issues (hesitating, jerking, rough idle and cel P0171). some people swear a celica maf solves the issue but even if it does that's more money on top of the price of the intake and for what gains? nothing.





im using a celica MAF with an injen CAI ...hehe no problems..... seriously kine no hesitation ....not even a cel poped up

[silver_astina02]

A K&N drop in would be fine with little mod at the grill so that cold air can be sucked into the intake...I do have a custom true CAI (using 2.25" tubing for MAF so no CEL or whatsoever) but, in comparison with K&N, I didnt notice any gains in either MPG or power except a hoover sound at WOT.

[red95_240sx]

awesome

[protege06]

ok hmm well dont get an injen cold air....my bracket to hold it still keeps on breaking.... i re welded it twice haha no need em i guess.... but yeah if you do watch out!!1

[99zomzom]

alright thanks, IukekiniProtege and silver astina02, i dont know if anyone saw the other thread i made, but another method to mod the air box is remove the bottom portion and zip tie the filter to the top half. I think this might be a bad idea but tell me if it isn't.

[silver_astina02]

sounds like warm air intake to me... a simple mod would be taking off the plastic bit above the header and run a flexible tube (3") from the airbox inlet to the hole where all CAIs use. This will give you cold air without the hoover sound. I have done this before my CAI. This would give you better throttle response without looks and sound of CAI.

[red95_240sx]

wats the hoover sound? like a levitating space ship?

[99zomzom]

That sounds great silver, ill do that for sure. Did u get the pipe at home depot?

[edumspeed]

Autozone sells a plastic one w robber connectors @ $20, and it's black , cuz the home depot ones are aluminum. I used that before w the factory box and worked pretty well, but I wanted something louder (besides the fact that my air box was falling apart)

[IAMHOLLYWOOD]

Autozone sells a plastic one w robber connectors @ $20, and it's black , cuz the home depot ones are aluminum. I used that before w the factory box and worked pretty well, but I wanted something louder (besides the fact that my air box was falling apart)

pictures please!?

[GabeyBabey08]

Cosmo Racing does have a nice CAI that fits perfect once you get it under the fender, i installed it in about an hour and it runs really nice and has a strong sound to it. It does not create and pulling or anything so if your looking for a direct fit thatd be the best choice

[evil_y2k_twin]

I also have the Cosmo Racing CAI. It's pretty much a Injen knockoff. works well sounds good.

After this pic was taken I replaced the blue couplers with brand spankin new black ones. The intake before hand was silver, I painted it and now it's looks really good.
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w68/evil_y2k_twin/IM000583.jpg

[IAMHOLLYWOOD]

i tihnk im gonna be picking me up a simota from protophile.

evil_y2k_twin, jw does that work fine w. the stock MAF?

[evil_y2k_twin]

i tihnk im gonna be picking me up a simota from protophile.

evil_y2k_twin, jw does that work fine w. the stock MAF?


I haven't had a problem.

[IAMHOLLYWOOD]

does anyone know the piping diameter for the exhaust on a 01 1.6l protege

[evil_y2k_twin]

does anyone know the piping diameter for the exhaust on a 01 1.6l protege

it should be the same as the 1.8 and 2.0 exahust. I think 1 3/4?

[edumspeed]

pictures please!?

Here's mine, custom made w cheap APC stuff lol.
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/53/l_433c05e6f40747b1bc46f4da7f69b460.jpg

[red95_240sx]

holy coupling batman.

but clean bay. maybe ill clean mines this weekend. itll probly get back dirty.

were u find the MAF adapter? autozone too?

[edumspeed]

holy coupling batman.

but clean bay. maybe ill clean mines this weekend. itll probly get back dirty.

were u find the MAF adapter? autozone too?

Yeah, lol. Those things come w crappy plastic clamps and they failed miserably, so i bought those couplers @ $5 each, so no big deal. Yes, the adapter can be found in Autozone & Pep Boys, but be aware that you need to downsize the inside for it to work. I used pvc tubbing and held it with a small piece of foam around it w a hole for the maf of course.
I'll eventually get rid of it when I can afford the turbo kit I want, maybe next year, or the next...!? or a decently priced intake, since the fools around here pretend to charge $250 for a short one, screw them.

[edumspeed]

I cleaned and painted the engine bay when the tranny and front struts were out for the clutch and the suspension install. On that pic is quite dirty. Wait till I wash it and repaint the valve cover.

[Caedmon7777]

I have a Cosmo Racing CAI and I am still having CEL light come on for Engine running too lean. I changed out the MAF and still no success of getting rid of the CEL. Any suggestions?

[edumspeed]

Maybe you have one busted O2 sensor, or even both. I have to replace them in my car bec before the maf install I had a CEL for the second sensor, and now have the same code you are getting when I scanned the car again at Autozone.

[edumspeed]

This is the reducer I mentioned for the cheap APC MAF adapter I'm using:
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/14/l_09a6fb437c684fabab767a7a39e7006d.jpg

[Sly_Guy_03DX]

sorry just wondering, but did you reset you ECU. Because you will need to do that. In order to do that unplug your battery and tap you break 30 times or hold you break pedal for 30 seconds either one that should reset the ECU and then you let you car run for 15 mins.

[RX729]

Just installed my intake...
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb302/rx729/RX729%20New%20Parts/IMG_4833.jpg
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb302/rx729/RX729%20New%20Parts/IMG_4832.jpg
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb302/rx729/RX729%20New%20Parts/IMG_4830.jpg
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb302/rx729/RX729%20New%20Parts/IMG_4831.jpg
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb302/rx729/RX729%20New%20Parts/IMG_4829.jpg

[mig360mBJ]

RX729 put the filter closer to the headlight.It will be a little cooler and get more air.

[red95_240sx]

RX729 put the filter through that hole into the front bumper.It will be a little cooler and get more air.


fixed

[$Associate$]

hey guys i got a 2.25 diameter cosmo sri only used for one day with the celica gt-s maf. if anyone is interested in purchasing check out the foir sale section. its for a 1.6 by the way

[IukekiniProtege]

why did u go with the celica MAF on a 2.25" intake? the stock one would have worked just as well if not better. the celica MAF is for 2.5" intakes anyways good luck on the sale

[$Associate$]

haha my bad its 2.5 diameter i was just thinking about the stock piping i just put back on. lol

[ghostbusters]

yup, saw it, looks nice, i like my custom intake plenty, works great

[$Associate$]

yea i gotta drop some pics of my custom sri i made. i used the stock accordian and just cut the maf housing where it meets the airbox, from there i ordered in a 2.25 k&n cone filter, and it sounds amazing, nobody sees it comin till u really floor it

[IAMHOLLYWOOD]

just bough the simota from protophile...

[IAMHOLLYWOOD]

if u have a 1.6 buy the somota from protephole. its great!

[phatprotege]

if u have a 1.6 buy the somota from protephole. its great!

Well I discovered today that I have fallen victem to the cracked dry rotted stock rubber intake hose...

I did try to check on purchasing the simota from protephile and it appears he is out of stock at the moment.

I am sporting the duct tape fix for now... but I am wondering if the replacement hose is as expensive as I have heard?
Has anyone replaced just the rubber portion of the stock setup with aftermarket items successfully? (uhm)

[red95_240sx]

epoxy

[IukekiniProtege]

New one is $30 from onlinemazdaparts.com
link:
http://www.trademotion.com/partlocator/index.cfm?action=getJointLocator&siteid=214264&chapter=&Sectionids=0,2453&groupid=2454&subgroupid=8207&componentid=0&make=22&model=Protege&year=2000&graphicID=5416190&callout=9&catalogid=2&displayCatalogid=0

[phatprotege]

New one is $30 from onlinemazdaparts.com
link:
http://www.trademotion.com/partlocator/index.cfm?action=getJointLocator&siteid=214264&chapter=&Sectionids=0,2453&groupid=2454&subgroupid=8207&componentid=0&make=22&model=Protege&year=2000&graphicID=5416190&callout=9&catalogid=2&displayCatalogid=0

Thank you for the reply!
I was actually able to find it on: http://www.buyourmazdaparts.com/index.php?cc=1
With free shipping it came to $26.48 shipped...

I will let you know how the service from them is! (shrug)

[IukekiniProtege]

sounds good, nice to know of a new site. thanks