who wants a CDFP upgrade?

[mrlilguy157]

Who all has money and is ready for a CDFP upgrade? I'd like to know what the scene is looking like right now... Post up and I wanna make a list. I'm gauging interest because I might be offering upgrades soon... $549/$899 through PG.

The list begins... NOW (silly)

[driver311]

Id for sure be interested if I didnt already have one. The pump is a huge improvement over stock when you have bolt ons.

[Haltech]

Special price considerations for you bros? lol

[mrlilguy157]

ha. where is everybody tonight?

[Sierra117]

Can I get a Texas hook up? Lol.

[mrlilguy157]

PM sent. You're pretty local.

[ms6_ftw]

Whats the difference goig to be between the pump you're offering and PG's? Has PGs changed since the initial prototype?

[Haltech]

He IS the original PG pump. Search and you will see where this all transpired :)

[mrlilguy157]

Whats the difference goig to be between the pump you're offering and PG's? Has PGs changed since the initial prototype?

PG's status is temporarily on hold as they are switching manufacturers for the initial design. What I am offering is the same exact kit that was used in producing Paleriders, Laloosh's, chriscc (build a beast), driver311... etc.

They're not changing overall design (as far as I know), but they are switching company's which manufacture the parts.

I would hold liability for any damage to the pumps for seizure, and would replace the pump if it seized. The only seizure really possible is in the up position, and if that occurs, you'd go into limp mode. No big deal, I sent out new kit, everything is all good again...

Thank you Kevin

[driver311]

I have a pump now and it is working great.

[Haltech]

PG's status is temporarily on hold as they are switching manufacturers for the initial design. What I am offering is the same exact kit that was used in producing Paleriders, Laloosh's, chriscc (build a beast), driver311... etc.

They're not changing overall design (as far as I know), but they are switching company's which manufacture the parts.

I would hold liability for any damage to the pumps for seizure, and would replace the pump if it seized. The only seizure really possible is in the up position, and if that occurs, you'd go into limp mode. No big deal, I sent out new kit, everything is all good again...

Thank you Kevin

(evil) No prob bro.

[Captain KRM P5]

we have not decided 100% yet to switch suppliers. i am leaning towards it, but the latest few pumps that shipped out seem to be in working order. i would like if possible to stick with the current supplier and work out my issues with them, but that depends on them.

perhaps i am misreading this, but by using the exact same parts we're using, you're implying our assembly is at fault moreso than the parts themselves. if thats your opinion i have no problem with that, but i would rather you let us know what - if anything - you feel we are doing wrong which would cause these pumps to fail when it is pretty clear that improper machining is the cause. perhaps thats not the message you intended to convey, but it is how i interpreted it.

your help in getting our pump to market was instrumental despite the well advertised drama involved in doing so, and i value your input and help on its continuance. if you would rather do your own with the parts we've been seeing problems with, i have no issue with that or any other kind of competition, just be careful with the parts and people supplying them to you.

[mrlilguy157]

we have not decided 100% yet to switch suppliers. i am leaning towards it, but the latest few pumps that shipped out seem to be in working order. i would like if possible to stick with the current supplier and work out my issues with them, but that depends on them.

perhaps i am misreading this, but by using the exact same parts we're using, you're implying our assembly is at fault moreso than the parts themselves. if thats your opinion i have no problem with that, but i would rather you let us know what - if anything - you feel we are doing wrong which would cause these pumps to fail when it is pretty clear that improper machining is the cause. perhaps thats not the message you intended to convey, but it is how i interpreted it.

your help in getting our pump to market was instrumental despite the well advertised drama involved in doing so, and i value your input and help on its continuance. if you would rather do your own with the parts we've been seeing problems with, i have no issue with that or any other kind of competition, just be careful with the parts and people supplying them to you.

thanks Ken for your comment, PM sent (rockon)

[Vengure]

I'd be interested in one. Do I get that next door neighbor price (peep)

[shucky]

Driver after yours seized on the dyno you got a replacement? How long has it been on? Thanks ...

[palerider]

Driver after yours seized on the dyno you got a replacement? How long has it been on? Thanks ...

My first pump never seized....in fact the characteristics were VERY good except some strange lean codes in low rpms. It is well documented that some of our cars goes lean with a hump around 2500-3000 rpms. Mine made this worse... I now have a tuning solution, and its going to go back on with the intent to tune it if necessary.

Mines the only one to respond like this to my knowledge. It may be MS CAI Ive got on there or just my particular setup. Thoughts would be welcome!!

Ken graciously sent me a second pump to try... I did not get it on so I sent it to Driver311. After 3 days it is my understanding that the second pump, on Driver311's car, is doing fine.... he can vouch for this though. Im excited for him!!!!

PG has been fantastic in their support of this for us out here with these pumps. And now to support Jon(mrlilguy) in his endeavors on his own is just amazing to me....wow. I have never once felt like I was alone, "stuck", trying to figure this out. Kudos to PG and the whole community for sticking together here. I just cant stress enough the ridiculous support and communication I got from the whole staff at PG....

These things really make quite a difference on our cars. Everybody stay on board here... its a HUGE upgrade and a mod that I think everybody will eventually want if their really trying to get the most out of their car.

Mine goes back on this week... Ive tweaked the ECU sensor position, and will be testing it on the dyno as well. I'll be posting my results along with everybody else.

[Sierra117]

The only thing I wonder, and I don't think it would influence me either way has many have stated they will be tuning with the AP and sharing maps, is if I get this, how would it affect the use of a Cobb AP? I mean, I would think it would be a great combo, tuning+a new pump. But thats just me.

[shucky]

Can anyone else comment on Pale's experience? Why would adding a cdfp make the "lean hump" worsen? I also have the MS CAI so just wondering if it needs to be pulled off or what if I upgrade the cdfp ...

[shucky]

Pale, are you the only one so far with a MS CAI and the upgraded pump? Do you have a CEL when these lean codes surface? Thanks...

[Haltech]

Cobb AP wont affect the operation of this pump. Later down the road when they offer the tuning package that allows us to make our own changes, we should see parameters for adjusting the fuel pump to our needs. This will help us fine tune these beasts. Believe me, 10 months down the road, some of us will need this.

[Derek88]

Pale, are you the only one so far with a MS CAI and the upgraded pump? Do you have a CEL when these lean codes surface? Thanks...

He did have a CEL, throwing 2 lean codes (if I remember). Some sensor was cocked to one side which made his pump malfunction.

[mrlilguy157]

anks for the input and comments guys... I'm in between classes right now but just checked up on this thread. As always, shoot me a pm if anybody has questions or concerns, and leave me a voicemail at 214.957.0461 if youd like to chat. I'll get back to people when I can, and have a better post when I get to a computer.

Jonathan Martin

[Captain KRM P5]

He did have a CEL, throwing 2 lean codes (if I remember). Some sensor was cocked to one side which made his pump malfunction.

this is correct. if the sensor is angled wrong or turned during installation it can easily cause poor drivability which is what palerider was experiencing.

we have sent three new pumps out in the last week, two have reported back with success but the third person has yet to contact me with results. once he does so and does so with positive results i will feel more confident re-starting the program.

[tru-boost]

I have a pump now and it is working great.

driver.... did the pump get rid of your cut issues ?
since we have very similar mods, i really want to know. if after the pump you still cut with high boost in the cold, i need to look for a new solution. on the other hand if this fixed it all..... i'll be needing a new pump !!

[palerider]

He did have a CEL, throwing 2 lean codes (if I remember). Some sensor was cocked to one side which made his pump malfunction.

lol... two codes the first night... two the second day... and I lost count the third(maybe 9 or 10) I got one about every time I cranked it and drove. But strangely the driving characteristics of the car remained somewhat normal. Maybe a little fuel cut right before boost and then ran like a mofo and rich once boost hit. Its like the more the ECU adjusted for it.... boost rocked and the lean spot got worse.

The CELs were all p2187 and p2177.... lean codes.

The sensor was cockeyed a little. We noticed that when we installed it but didnt think it mattered. Later Redrocketz from PG mentioned in a subsequent conversation he had with Auto tech that it could be a problem. I hope this may help by straightening it.... but it may not.

The standback I have is the one Laloosh had with his pump. He left his maps in there and it was extremely interesting to me. In the rpm ranges that I was getting codes/ fuel cut/ stutter.... maybe 2500-2900... he was adding 7 units on 15 psi map and 13 units of fuel on the 18 psi map. Laloosh correct me if Im wrong here.... Or if you read this and have any thoughts.

My idea is that maybe this lean spot, untuned, with my car, and the MS CAI... it was enough to send it over the edge.

Either way... I dont think this is a quality control problem per say. These pumps basically were brought to market on the experiences of two cars. If you read these boards and see how finicky these babies are to damn near everything from a TMIC to BOV to CAI.... it only stands to reason that our ECUs might respond differently on different setups/ weather/ etc to this mod.

It was NOT rushed to market. I feel honored to be in the middle of this thing. I bought this car to mod it into a weapon.... and as fast as the market could support it. Im not interested in a flow chart. I wanted to see for myself what extra flow would do. It makes the car fucking faster, for longer. Thats what it does. The rest is just part of the challenge I guess.

Its been fun being on the front lines here.

[palerider]

this is correct. if the sensor is angled wrong or turned during installation it can easily cause poor drivability which is what palerider was experiencing.



Thursday Ive got the whole afternoon blocked off at my shop. Dyno time, reinstall, more dyno time, tuning, etc...

Snow and sleet is on the forecast here in NC .... but Im supposed to check with them tomorrow as well. Either way, we'll find out soon.... and you all know im pretty damn verbose. I'll post my results:)

[redrocketz]

Thursday Ive got the whole afternoon blocked off at my shop. Dyno time, reinstall, more dyno time, tuning, etc...

Snow and sleet is on the forecast here in NC .... but Im supposed to check with them tomorrow as well. Either way, we'll find out soon.... and you all know im pretty damn verbose. I'll post my results:)

feel free to call if you have ANY Questions/problems

[mrlilguy157]

feel free to call if you have ANY Questions/problems

Ditto

[driver311]

driver.... did the pump get rid of your cut issues ?
since we have very similar mods, i really want to know. if after the pump you still cut with high boost in the cold, i need to look for a new solution. on the other hand if this fixed it all..... i'll be needing a new pump !!


yes the pump helped tremendously. NO more sputter and Im at 18-20psi.

[dadasracecar]

The lean spot is the whole reason I started the Optimum AFR for DI thread. BMWs seem to have the same thing except their tuners don't care and I don't think any of them are smart enough to care... Here are the examples:http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29708

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105342

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105080

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104489

I started the same thread at e90 forums and Shiv said you could run over stoic with DI!

In any event the lean hump at very low rpm was not fixed completely by the pump. It was lessened but I still get high 13s at 18 psi around 2700. It quickly drops to 12 but it's still there. The need for a pump was first identified by forrestang and ATL(IIRC) when they put 3071s on their cars and saw injPW doubling and FP dropping around 3.5-4K.

IMO the lean spot down low is just a function of DI technology. I haven't seen any Audi/VW dynos with AFR but the BMWs have one hell of a lean spot that would scare the hell out of me.

[shaodome]

The lean spot is the whole reason I started the Optimum AFR for DI thread. BMWs seem to have the same thing except their tuners don't care and I don't think any of them are smart enough to care... Here are the examples:http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29708

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105342

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105080

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104489

I started the same thread at e90 forums and Shiv said you could run over stoic with DI!

In any event the lean hump at very low rpm was not fixed completely by the pump. It was lessened but I still get high 13s at 18 psi around 2700. It quickly drops to 12 but it's still there. The need for a pump was first identified by forrestang and ATL(IIRC) when they put 3071s on their cars and saw injPW doubling and FP dropping around 3.5-4K.

IMO the lean spot down low is just a function of DI technology. I haven't seen any Audi/VW dynos with AFR but the BMWs have one hell of a lean spot that would scare the hell out of me.

I'm still learning as much as I can about DI....

Obviously DI has a much higher detonation threshold than port injection, which is frankly the only reason I can figure Mazda bothered to go this route (other then them being on the eccentric side of car manufacturing). Since you are spraying the fuel in such a short window it is hard for it to detonate, and if it does, it occurs pretty much at the time normal combustion was supposed to happen anyways right?

The engine might be more tolerant of the lean condition, but max power is still falling in the 12ish:1 afr range because we are still burning gasoline here.

I wouldn't go as far to say the lean spot is a function of DI...just a lean spot in the fuel maps. For those of you with a tuning solution, did you pickup/lose any power by smoothing out the lean spot? Is that same spot there on stock Speed 3s?

[nypest]

this is correct. if the sensor is angled wrong or turned during installation it can easily cause poor drivability which is what palerider was experiencing.

we have sent three new pumps out in the last week, two have reported back with success but the third person has yet to contact me with results. once he does so and does so with positive results i will feel more confident re-starting the program.

hurry hurry

[dadasracecar]

I just looked at the dynos on the mrlilguy site. Not that impressed I have to say - minimal, if any, gains. There is enough error in a dyno from run to run to account for most, if not all, of the differences. Not that I got any gains from my pump either. The cdfp are only needed for big turbo guys that can't get the fuel they need - just like cp-e said - or if you have a faulty stock fuel pump.

[Mid_Life_Crisis]

Obviously DI has a much higher detonation threshold than port injection, which is frankly the only reason I can figure Mazda bothered to go this route (other then them being on the eccentric side of car manufacturing). Since you are spraying the fuel in such a short window it is hard for it to detonate, and if it does, it occurs pretty much at the time normal combustion was supposed to happen anyways right?


It's more than just the short length of spraying time. The fuel being injected under such high pressure means that it has an extreme expansion rate when it enters the cylinder. This expansion absorbs residual heat in the cylinder, which is a major factor in the resistance to detonation. In addition, they aim the spray and time it in such a way that when the spark ignites it there is a much more uniform flame front, which further reduces detonation and increases the burn efficiency, which results in more power. That high pressure expansion also means that the gasoline atomizes (changes from liquid to a gaseous state) better, so you get a more consistent air/fuel mix, which again leads to a more even burn and uniform flame front, which means more power. All this resistance to detonation is what allows us to get away with high initial compression ratios and relatively high (for stock) boost pressures at the same time.

[ericrapp]

It's more than just the short length of spraying time. The fuel being injected under such high pressure means that it has an extreme expansion rate when it enters the cylinder. This expansion absorbs residual heat in the cylinder, which is a major factor in the resistance to detonation. In addition, they aim the spray and time it in such a way that when the spark ignites it there is a much more uniform flame front, which further reduces detonation and increases the burn efficiency, which results in more power. That high pressure expansion also means that the gasoline atomizes (changes from liquid to a gaseous state) better, so you get a more consistent air/fuel mix, which again leads to a more even burn and uniform flame front, which means more power. All this resistance to detonation is what allows us to get away with high initial compression ratios and relatively high (for stock) boost pressures at the same time.

Excellent response,thanks. Do you recall the high fuel pressure on line and at injectors? I thought these #s extreme but i've forgetten. Is this directly related to this DI application, mspeed 3 6?

[Conso]

gonna need it if u plan to do intake/tbe to prevent fuel cut!

[shaodome]

It's more than just the short length of spraying time. The fuel being injected under such high pressure means that it has an extreme expansion rate when it enters the cylinder. This expansion absorbs residual heat in the cylinder, which is a major factor in the resistance to detonation. In addition, they aim the spray and time it in such a way that when the spark ignites it there is a much more uniform flame front, which further reduces detonation and increases the burn efficiency, which results in more power. That high pressure expansion also means that the gasoline atomizes (changes from liquid to a gaseous state) better, so you get a more consistent air/fuel mix, which again leads to a more even burn and uniform flame front, which means more power. All this resistance to detonation is what allows us to get away with high initial compression ratios and relatively high (for stock) boost pressures at the same time.

Awesome info (headbang) Thanks!

[tru-boost]

the CDFP is a must have in my book. anyone who wants to mod should get one ? even if it adds nothing but a "safety net". the most important thing when tunig is having enough fuel to feed the fire . we have THE EXACT SAME PUMP the audi/VW guys have. the stock fuel pump is limited to 200hp @4k RPM.... if you are happy with that, then i guess you dont need one. me, on the other hand.... that simply wont do for me. where did i get this wonderful info you may ask ? it is right on the APR website. this is what they do....fuel pumps, there info is as accurate as its gonna get. the chart speaks for itself.

http://goapr.com/VW/products/fsi_fuel_pump.html

[oskinosmee]

Who all has money and is ready for a CDFP upgrade? I'd like to know what the scene is looking like right now... Post up and I wanna make a list. I'm gauging interest because I might be offering upgrades soon... $400/$750 just like PG, while they're on hold working with a new supplier.

The list begins... NOW (silly)

I want one(nana)

[tru-boost]

i am already on the list......i've been on it for some time now. i hope to have my pump very soon .

[dadasracecar]

the CDFP is a must have in my book. anyone who wants to mod should get one ? even if it adds nothing but a "safety net". the most important thing when tunig is having enough fuel to feed the fire . we have THE EXACT SAME PUMP the audi/VW guys have. the stock fuel pump is limited to 200hp @4k RPM.... if you are happy with that, then i guess you dont need one. me, on the other hand.... that simply wont do for me. where did i get this wonderful info you may ask ? it is right on the APR website. this is what they do....fuel pumps, there info is as accurate as its gonna get. the chart speaks for itself.

http://goapr.com/VW/products/fsi_fuel_pump.html

Yeah, but the stocker is capable of 350 hp at redline on that same chart... Mrlilguy's dynos show that without a bigger turbo the pump is not necessary. Based on the Mrlilguy's results, the difference between stock and upgraded pump is in the noise. Essentially they performed identically. You need a bigger/more efficient turbo to really realize the gains. I should know. I have apr's/cp-e's pump on my car.

[tru-boost]

the pump made little difference...true, but for a reason. mrlilguys car doesnt make enough power for it to matter. i bet on a car with a full TBE that spools up and makes power a lot sooner, it would come into play. that is how the CDFP works, it relies on engine speed to create pressure. so yeah... the stocker can support 350 HP at 7k rpm. does your car make power that high ??? mine sure as hell doesnt ! we need more fuel in the low/mid range. the CDFP gives it to us through the whole range, so it works out just fine. i bet once i get my downpipe on and continue running the 20psi that i have been, it will make a substantial difference.
the reason for the HP looking the same on all the dynos is simple too. i'm sure everyone knows how dynos calculate HP. it really only measures the TQ and then based on the engine RPM it calculates the HP. the problem with the MS3/6 is that the power falls off so damn early. that makes it very hard to have decent PEAK gains. the longer an engine can hold its TQ, the higher the HP will be ALWAYS ! the fact that our car is all midrange kills the HP numbers. from the dynos mrlilguy posted i saw a very noticable gain in midrange TQ in EVERY run with the pump. also if this throttle plate issue ever gets addressed, the stock pump will never be able to keep up until redline. i have seen a few cars hit 290-310HP by 5k rpm. if the car actually held that power to redline they would be 360-375HP cars easily.
just my thought. a good fuel system is the FOUNDATION of building any performance car. it seems like a common sense, must have mod to me.
mine is on the way soon...thanks MRLILGUY !!

[laloosh]

i guess me and driver had faulty stock pumps? lmao

the reason mr lil guys or dadaracecars pump didnt make a difference is because they are both not making enough power. Simple as that.
for the record. you dont not have to be big turbo to get this pump. i was running out of fuel at 15 psi with i/tbe on cold days.

[mrlilguy157]

I got a PM the other day from a fellow mazdaspeeder about northmiller blowing up his motor.

from the looks of things, i think he needed more fuel, but maybe thats cause i'm biased :D

[laloosh]

I got a PM the other day from a fellow mazdaspeeder about northmiller blowing up his motor.

from the looks of things, i think he needed more fuel, but maybe thats cause i'm biased :D

funny how his power drop aroudn 4900 is a pretty much where my car was cutting out....ironic but wait he must have had a bad stock fuel pump as well(evil)

[tru-boost]

bahhh humbug..... who needs fuel right !! leaner is faster, thats what i always say ! can you make my stock pump flow less fuel MRLILGUY ???

[mrlilguy157]

YOU BET NEIL!! In fact, I'll send out a pump, no piston or bore. That way, fuel won't go into the cylinders, it'll flow into the head and down into the pan. Sounds lean to me....

teehehe.

[dadasracecar]

You guys are funny. All you guys do is spread this BS about how the upgraded cdfp is going to save the world and prevent engines from blowing and give shit tons of horsepower for weeks. I argue to the contrary and say that you need a bigger turbo to make use of the pump. I then show dyno proof of it and you make up all kinds of excuses why I'm wrong and that I'm full of shit.
Then mrlilguy is going to do a cdfp swap on the dyno and show the world how everything is better with the pump, blah, blah, blah. He does his dyno thing and lo and behold gets the same answers, i.e. no gains. Nobody mentions a thing.

I come back and point it out and here we go again. Same bullshit backed up only by "facts" of laloosh's trap speeds and inane youtube videos. LMAO. Jokers.

[Flogbox]

the pump made little difference...true, but for a reason. mrlilguys car doesnt make enough power for it to matter.

From the dynos mrlilguy posted i saw a very noticable gain in midrange TQ in EVERY run with the pump.

Loosh gained 6mph (ran 106mph) from the intake/tbe/17psi which represents how much power over stock on your US dyno's? 70hp give or take meaning roughly 310hp ATW correct?? So therefore what you guys are saying is by adding the pump and 1psi you will gain another 6mph (Loosh quoted 112mph and even higher lately) which would equate to at least another 70hp ATW taking power to nearly 400hp ATW correct?

According to Tru-boost the massive difference in power between lilguy and Loosh is purely down to lilguy using a race pipe vs Loosh with a TBE? So if lilguy puts one in he should see a gain of roughly 80-90hp correct (uhm)?.

Is it possible to see a dyno from Loosh? lilguy's dyno showed no real benefit, i would think Loosh would be the poster boy for this pump yeah?

On the second point, you need to learn to read graphs properly. Spend a few minutes comparing the stock pump power runs between mods. There are major discrepancies between power runs done on stock pumps which make the difference look a lot bigger than it actually is.

[dadasracecar]

LOL getting a dyno from Laloosh...

[driver311]

LOL getting a dyno from Laloosh...

Id chip in $10 bucks to make it happen!!! Put some sunoco 110 in it Chris and dyno the shit outa it!!!!!!!!!!!!(chair)(rockon)

[Flogbox]

Driver311 - How about you? You mentioned a few times you were getting on the dyno but nothing came about it. You have the upgraded pump and you said you have unlimited access to a dyno.

So how about it?

[laloosh]

i have ZERO desire to pay out of my pocket to shut certain people up.

Cough up the money and ill go dyno at the place where darksun dynoed.
i believe it 75 bucks for 3 pulls, dada you can hold all the money if you want lol.

btw out of curosity whats the dyno gonna proove to all of you? i've never dynoed this car so i dont have a baseline. What your going to see is somethign that says 320 and 380, what then? Will that make you happy?

[Flogbox]

btw out of curosity whats the dyno gonna proove to all of you? i've never dynoed this car so i dont have a baseline. What your going to see is somethign that says 320 and 380, what then? Will that make you happy?

A fair question.
I’ll say this first before going into details below (as it’s fairly lengthy and not all will read it). I feel lilguy or PG should pay for your car to be dyno’d (showing boost, not A/F), not you. If they don’t fork up the US$75 or whatever it is then that to me is a big red flag. If you refuse (which is your right), well what can i say....

What it comes down to is exactly what claims about this pump are true?
We have been led to believe the results from your car is what we will get in our own car. I think everyone can agree that’s a fair enough comment.
Per your posts, you gained 6mph so roughly a 70hp gain and can rev to 6500rpm easily. Awesome.

Instead, what we saw was minimal power gain, no holding revs longer than the stock pump, better A/F’s. Pretty much the same results as Dadas which everyone gave him shit for. There was the excuse that lilguy wasn’t modded enough. He was running 2psi more than you but had a race pipe, not TBE. I don’t believe for a second that adding a TBE + CDFP will give this car 100hp+ ATW as that’s what this person is claiming. The same person that did not accurately compare the graphs.

I’ll come straight out with it and say I find it rather interesting that neither PG nor lilguy have paid for Loosh to have his car dyno’d pre/post pump as your car is the basis for all their claims. It seems they're happy to sell the pump on the pretence that your results is what one should expect but yet won't pay to have it dyno'd? Them failing to do so either means they know they cannot replicate your results or they know something about your car that we don't.

Secondly, other upgraded pump owners have posted they are having their car dyno’d but then when it comes to posting results they’ve conveniently made trips out of town, couldn’t do it, forgot, dog ate the dyno etc and we never hear anything again. Lilguy is the only one to have actually posted the dyno results of which he could not replicate the claims.

Believe me I want this pump to work, I want it to do for me what it did for your car. On the other hand I’m not a complete idiot, if people want to sell a product it will be subject to scrutiny. If you have a product and make claims that it will do blah blah blah, you also need to provide the evidence that it does what you say it does. Not say to me oh but it feels different when you're on the road...what 100hp different? Come on (encourage Unfortunately Loosh you are stuck in the midst of all this.

This board continually scruitinises CPE, how is this any different?

[Hatchd]

Maybe this is the missing link (laugh)

[palerider]

I'll get dynos up this week. I would have before but as everybody knows.... my pump wasnt in order. So really "the other guys who havent posted dynos" is ...... Driver. Ive spoken with him and I think the cold weather is causing him problems replicating his previous runat 311whp. I know the weather screwed me on my last dyno runs. I only showed 12whp gain, and I added DP, FMIC, 2 psi on the standback, BOV.... but the dyno gave me a 6% CF penalty over my baseline because it was "nice and cold".... which we all know that the car hates. Fuck dynos really.... I know my car is faster.

Should we start arguing that DPs and boost arent worth the money because they didnt show much on my dynos...lol?

I think before and after dynos are going to be misleading. The ecu has to adjust to this thing a little. I think multiple WOT runs at a track like the day Laloosh got his 111 trap is going to be benefited more with the pump on.

You know what else... dont buy the pump if you dont want it. Just dont.

I had the thing on my car and even with it being fucking out of touch with my ecu.... I could tell a difference. Hell... my neighbor who is a well known Honda driver/ racer could tell a very noticeable difference in my car in boost. It was significant.

BTW.... dada..... I think its a little funny that your alluding that you think Laloosh had a bad pump before. Is it your hypothesis.... that anybody with his setup and a "good stock pump", should be capable of trapping 111? Thats nonsense to me personally.

Again....I'll post my findings this week. Supposed to be great weather, maybe I'll find something more conclusive than mrlilguy.... after all..... Ive got a TBE:) In the meantime... I dont think we should hammer Dada's argument too much. We havent replicated Lalooshs car. Its possible that Dadas right AND Laloosh is right. I dont think the pump will benefit everybody immediately.... but that doesnt mean it wont be very significant for everybody eventually.

Bottom line..... why are these things so hot in the VW world. Its because modded DISI engines need them for power. Simple.

[laloosh]

im not running nitrous, anybody who's from jersey is more then welcome to check my car up and down.

[Captain KRM P5]

I’ll come straight out with it and say I find it rather interesting that neither PG nor lilguy have paid for Loosh to have his car dyno’d pre/post pump as your car is the basis for all their claims.

i have offered to front money to dyno for any car running this fuel pump, publically and privately, on and off the forums. i have made this offer several times now and have made it on the pretense that i would help pay for it regardless of the end results.

[laloosh]

well somebody start a fund and ill go dyno if its what you guys wanna see. today is 62 degree outside and the car is straight out crazy compared these cold temps we had.

[Captain KRM P5]

there will have to be two dynos - one before and one after the fuel pump install - for the results to be at all valid in anyway.

[laloosh]

i dont have a stock pump, and i kind of don't want to load my car up in 4th gear on a dyno when its running out of fuel and stuttering.

[whooosh]

I have an extra stocker
(kiss)

[laloosh]

alright, well thats 1 problem
2 left
money for the dyno
and me fucking up my car to proove a bunch of non believers when i really could care less

[tru-boost]

i voulenteer to help you pick up the rods and mop up the oil after trying to pump 20psi on your well modded car with the stock pump ! only cuz your my bud !

[laloosh]

i voulenteer to help you pick up the rods and mop up the oil after trying to pump 20psi on your well modded car with the stock pump ! only cuz your my bud !


yea thx pal lol

[whooosh]

i voulenteer to help you pick up the rods and mop up the oil after trying to pump 20psi on your well modded car with the stock pump ! only cuz your my bud !


lol

all jokes aside
dynos for tuning/dyno owners can make you happy or sad

ET's and traps are the proof

[laloosh]

lol

all jokes aside
dynos for tuning/dyno owners can make you happy or sad

ET's and traps are the proof

hey hey i knew i always liked you...
but wait im running a 50 shot of nitrous to get the trap i get.(outie)

[Sierra117]

lol

all jokes aside
dynos for tuning/dyno owners can make you happy or sad

ET's and traps are the proof

+1...We really need a rep option on this forum. Dyno numbers are good for piss fights, and not much more. Give me trap speeds and ETs anyday.

Whats the difference between a 900hp Supra and a 1500hp Supra? About a quarter of a second.

[laloosh]

there is no difference they both run 11s at 140 lol

[AutoXRacer]

alright, well thats 1 problem
2 left
money for the dyno
and me fucking up my car to proove a bunch of non believers when i really could care less


i voulenteer to help you pick up the rods and mop up the oil after trying to pump 20psi on your well modded car with the stock pump ! only cuz your my bud !

Then why not revert the ECU to stock...? Let the computer do its job properly... Test it in stock boost, with and without upgraded pump...??

Dynos might not yield anything, but it would be interesting to see...(dunno)

[laloosh]

i am running the stock ecu. all my car has is i/tbe/ic/pump and its holding 19psi

[palerider]

i am running the stock ecu. all my car has is i/tbe/ic/pump and its holding 19psi

what did the dashhawk say your hp was?

[laloosh]

im not sure i think it was 415 but thats not at the wheels.

[palerider]

im not sure i think it was 415 but thats not at the wheels.

There everyone....... I just saved Laloosh 100 bucks and ended all the controversy.

[laloosh]

i dont know why im the posterchild for this pump. Its not my product and simply state my results and get nothign but shit.

[AutoXRacer]

i am running the stock ecu. all my car has is i/tbe/ic/pump and its holding 19psi

I don't get it... All this talk about gaining boost (PSI) when modding...and I haven't gained a thing. Mine is solid at 15.6 all day long. Sure it spikes, but it levels itself to 15.6...
(huh)

I don't get it... (boom01)

I'll be going up to NJ in the summer for a friends wedding... I'll have to check out Laloosh's setup... lol

[nypest]

all my car has is i/tbe/ic/pump and its holding 19psi

lmao YOU NEED TO PUT THAT IN YOUR SIG

[palerider]

i dont know why im the posterchild for this pump. Its not my product and simply state my results and get nothign but shit.

Come on man... having the fastest street time in the country by a mile, with what was the only working fuel pump for months is why.

As more pumps get dynoed and cars get modded.... and times keep dropping... you wont hear it as much. Youre getting shit from one side and your a hero on the other.

[nypest]

i dont know why im the posterchild for this pump. Its not my product and simply state my results and get nothign but shit.

Your one of the few that have it........... Yup im still waiting

Edit: have a working one

[laloosh]

my car held 15 with i/tbe/pump/stock boost. After the ets 3.5 its holding 18-19 and not really spiking at all. It begins to fall around 6k to 16ish-17ish

[nypest]

my car held 15 with i/tbe/pump/stock boost. After the ets 3.5 its holding 18-19 and not really spiking at all. It begins to fall around 6k to 16ish-17ish

That 3.5 core must make all the difference cause my 2.75 holds 17 all day !!

[AutoXRacer]

Damn my 3.25...must be the damned size!!!! (bang)
Hmm (scratch)...might my BPV be leaking... (huh)
I'll be soon acquiring a new BPV...maybe I'll get my 2 PSI gain there...??? (lol2)

[nypest]

Damn my 3.25...must be the damned size!!!! (bang)
Hmm (scratch)...might my BPV be leaking... (huh)
I'll be soon acquiring a new BPV...maybe I'll get my 2 PSI gain there...???

Happened to me ! installed the forge BPV and got my boost back (yippy)

[mrlilguy157]

http://www.mrlilguycdfps.com/listing/DSCN0302.jpg

[nypest]

http://www.mrlilguycdfps.com/listing/DSCN0302.jpg

shiznat(drinks)

[mrlilguy157]

getting closer...

[nypest]

getting closer...

i want the one on the bottom left :D

[tru-boost]

mine is the cute one on the left !!

[mrlilguy157]

i don't know how many pumps I can do...

ive got a motor ripped apart and my apartment room REAKS of gasoline. I slept in the fumes last night, and woke up with a bit less intelligence

:D

neil - buy the head sitting on top of my dresser.

[ericrapp]

i have offered to front money to dyno for any car running this fuel pump, publically and privately, on and off the forums. i have made this offer several times now and have made it on the pretense that i would help pay for it regardless of the end results.

I would just like to comment that opinions and discussion are a great part of the forum. But because this part is a piece of the puzzle in tuning this car not THE piece. The manufacturer owns the responsibility for providing factual data. I assume they had an application in mind and felt it would be viable. Now the captain has made the gesture of providing dyno time. Thats cool! But these cars are in different stages of tune. It might be hard to figure out without base line " as was mentioned earlier" and mod by mod runs. So flogbox good dialogue and lets see some graphs from you hot rods regardless of how you got there. Thanks and look forward to more fun from y'all.

[redrocketz]

i don't know how many pumps I can do...

ive got a motor ripped apart and my apartment room REAKS of gasoline. I slept in the fumes last night, and woke up with a bit less intelligence

:D

neil - buy the head sitting on top of my dresser.

hah we have one of those sitting here also. I think it's the 4th one I've built... this one is getting everything you can throw at it.

[Flogbox]

Ken has kindly offered to pay for the dyno and states he has offered several times. How come you have refused his offer? I have just seen all of you skip completely past Ken's post (shrug)

Just so i understand this correctly.
You will do ghetto mapclamp mods, you will happily boost up the car but not pay for any professional dyno tuning, you will throw up video's on youtube of you hammering the living daylights out of the car (BTW i loved those clips and they were impressive!), you will do a million datalogs of you consistently hitting fuel cut in your car and you will run 400hp with standard rods when the engine can throw a rod at 350hp. But you feel it's to dangerous to do 1 dyno run with a stock pump where it might hit the fuel cut..... are you taking the piss now?

I don't know why you guys are suddenly scared of dyno's? This site is covered with them and when a new product comes out the first thing people ask is how much power was gained....that requires a dyno. Why, with this product are you saying a dyno does nothing?

When you guys can replicate the results and are all trapping 111+ on street tyres with just I/TBE/CDFP/17psi, you can say whatever you like. At the moment it's a bit like those fuel pills where it works wonders on one car but no one else can replicate the results.

[laloosh]

once again whats the benafit of by getting a dyno?
The car doesnt need tuning. Map clamps arnt ghetto. What do you think the cpe and xede are? You guessed it, map clamps. I have no means of tunning, nor do i need tunning at this point. Im nto here to sell you or any1 anything, so a dyno is:
A: a waste of my money
B: Dangerous as i know my car runs out of fuel with the stock pump.

Hitting fuel cut and running out of fuel are two different things

[Captain KRM P5]

like the different versions of the the bible, everyone is going to have thier own gospel they stick to. some people go with dyno to dyno results. some people say the track is the true indication. and there are some who aren't going to be happy with whatever anyone but they themselves provide of thier own volition. you can make some of the people happy some of the time, but never all of the people all of the time. we live in a world of nay-sayers, fandboys and forums for better or for worse.

if laloosh doesn't want to dyno his car i can't force him to. its not my car. he is happy with with his 12.8s on snow tires and frankly i don't blame him. it wasn't that fast without the pump and now it is. does he have more mods than some people, sure. but its unfair to say the pump does 'nothing' based on that. load on a dyno is much tougher than load on the street and there is some paranoia involved in that. tru-boost has offered his car up for dyno runs now that he will have the pump and we'll probably go that route as hes local and willing. he has intake, turbo manifold, test pipe and step colder plugs just to keep the information fresh and out there in peoples' minds. i'm all for open information.

what i am against is rumormongering and misinformation. any insinuation that i'm against having dynos or information out there regardless of the result is flat out wrong. i've been borderline accused of things like that in this thread and making cheap chinese manifolds in another, both claims being totally meritless and its a tad irritating. i don't know what i've done to arouse any level of mistrust from anyone in this community. the offer was and is on the table for me to help foot the bill for proving or disproving mods we're involved with or been involved with. i don't know of many other vendors who are going to send money to a customer a few hundred miles away with no promise of positive results, for the sake of community interest.

[mrlilguy157]

hah we have one of those sitting here also. I think it's the 4th one I've built... this one is getting everything you can throw at it.

fun stuff. I feel like my price is fair on the block. Im suprised no one is taking the plunge on going forged, but I guess there is no point to do so without a pump first.

you should buy the transmission and head from me zach, actually, buy everything from that part out.

[laloosh]

unless neil is running out of fuel and stuttering, his dyno will proove nothing different from dadas or mrlilguys.

[redrocketz]

why would I need it. The cars I have and the car I will be buying won't use this engine at all. we have a full engine including the head here. granted I can get a hold of people that can get things made from that engine but right now I'm not gonna personally front the cash for it.

[laloosh]

why would I need it. The cars I have and the car I will be buying won't use this engine at all. we have a full engine including the head here. granted I can get a hold of people that can get things made from that engine but right now I'm not gonna personally front the cash for it.

lol, arn't you a full time employee at PG?

[mrlilguy157]

i just want monies. I have an itch for a big turbo and an xede.

[redrocketz]

lol, arn't you a full time employee at PG?

yes, why? I'm the one you were talking to when we thought your fuel pump got lost from UPS


i just want monies. I have an itch for a big turbo and an xede.

atleast your getting an Xede.

[Flogbox]

Loosh - Fair enough if you don't want to dyno. Just wondering have you upgraded the rods in your engine yet? If not, just be careful as surely you are in a danger zone right now?



what i am against is rumormongering and misinformation. any insinuation that i'm against having dynos or information out there regardless of the result is flat out wrong. i've been borderline accused of things like that in this thread and making cheap chinese manifolds in another, both claims being totally meritless and its a tad irritating. i don't know what i've done to arouse any level of mistrust from anyone in this community. the offer was and is on the table for me to help foot the bill for proving or disproving mods we're involved with or been involved with. i don't know of many other vendors who are going to send money to a customer a few hundred miles away with no promise of positive results, for the sake of community interest.

Seeing as you brought it up. The sales and massive 'hype' about this pump have all been based around 1 car. Of which no one has been able to replicate the results. However the pump is continued to be sold under the pretense this is the results the pump will give. I'd be interested in hearing your definition of 'rumormongering and misinformation'?

If someone is going to sell a product, i would imagine the first thing they would do is have hard data to support the product. So far i think i've made maybe 5 posts in 2 threads about the pump and managed to upset all of the pump supporters. All i have done is read you back the data and evidence to date.

The corrective action to be taken would be to state clearly what this pump is supposed to do. That way no one can be confused and no one can second guess the claims, agreed? (wink)

[laloosh]

yes, why? I'm the one you were talking to when we thought your fuel pump got lost from UPS



atleast your getting an Xede.

i just found it funny how mrlilguy asked you to buy his parts being that you work at a performance shop and im sure you guys have your share of "hook ups"

i havnt upgraded the rods or anything for that matter.....yet anyway. if it blows it blows, the car has 4 parts on it running stock boost, i could bring it back to stock minus the tbe in an hour

[mrlilguy157]

Loosh - Fair enough if you don't want to dyno. Just wondering have you upgraded the rods in your engine yet? If not, just be careful as surely you are in a danger zone right now?



Seeing as you brought it up. The sales and massive 'hype' about this pump have all been based around 1 car. Of which no one has been able to replicate the results. However the pump is continued to be sold under the pretense this is the results the pump will give. I'd be interested in hearing your definition of 'rumormongering and misinformation'?

If someone is going to sell a product, i would imagine the first thing they would do is have hard data to support the product. So far i think i've made maybe 5 posts in 2 threads about the pump and managed to upset all of the pump supporters. All i have done is read you back the data and evidence to date.

The corrective action to be taken would be to state clearly what this pump is supposed to do. That way no one can be confused and no one can second guess the claims, agreed? (wink)

as this has been stated before in other threads: the pumps primary purpose is to flow more fuel at the adequate pressure levels required in order to stay out of fuel cut, which also allows for more fuel to be available as modifications are added to the car.

and zach, I was sold on the xede before I bought the car (it was the only option) and as seen, it has put down the best numbers to date. Also, you guys up in IL know the unit very well, and will be doing my tuning when I drive up to meet you guys in the summer, if not significantly earlier, depending how all of this goes.

[ericrapp]

Nice ending captain!

[Captain KRM P5]

Seeing as you brought it up. The sales and massive 'hype' about this pump have all been based around 1 car. Of which no one has been able to replicate the results. However the pump is continued to be sold under the pretense this is the results the pump will give. I'd be interested in hearing your definition of 'rumormongering and misinformation'?

If someone is going to sell a product, i would imagine the first thing they would do is have hard data to support the product. So far i think i've made maybe 5 posts in 2 threads about the pump and managed to upset all of the pump supporters. All i have done is read you back the data and evidence to date.

The corrective action to be taken would be to state clearly what this pump is supposed to do. That way no one can be confused and no one can second guess the claims, agreed? (wink)

1. there was more than one car that feedback was taken from, on and off the forums, before we even started to retail the pump. i have stated this numerous times. laloosh provided not only his times but standback data logs to reflect his improvements. i have never put these graphs on my website, i have never posted in the controversial thread on mazda 3 forums, i don't believe i have personally promoted the pump using his results other than saying i was impressed with them. on the flip side, i have never attacked results posted by dadasracecar nor disagreed with him.

2. i've also said since the pump drama began that every pump or part would stand on its own based on the data and results, regardless of what they were, in the pumps favor or otherwise. i think i've said this enough in private messages, emails, posts and voicemails to where it should be cut and pasted to my clipboard, etc.

3. i've personally put my neck out to apologize for pump failures, i've admitted where mistakes were made, acknowledged them publically rather than conceal them, turned them over - along with the responsbility of them - to other parties, in part because of threads like this. if you classify that level of openness as a misinformation campaign then i suppose that is your opinion and position. i am now the retailer/reseller and nothing more. if there is any information, correct or otherwise, honest or not, to be presented i will not be the party responsible for it. assuming and stating that i am is at best rumormongering and at worst lying. what i will do, and to be a broken record once more, is offer to assist in seeing proper information displayed to the public in the manner that they think will give them the best insight. if that means paying for dyno runs, i will do that. if laloosh does not want to do it, he should not be crucified for it. i have said we have another party willing to dyno. if the dynos came back the same, i would say so. if the pump caused a power loss, i would say so. if the pump blew the engine on the dyno, i would say so.

interpret all of that as you like.

[Flogbox]

I didn’t actually point at you for the ‘rumourmongering’ and ‘lying’ (your words, not mine). An interesting choice of words to. The perspective you put on them sounded like……say the hype that’s put on here by the many posters with/without pumps perhaps?

I agree that you have been impartial throughout the process and I also have taken note that you have been quiet regarding the pumps. So I have to ask, what made you suddenly leap from the shadows and use words like ‘rumourmongering’, ‘lying’ and ‘misinformation’ which are clearly aimed at myself? All I did was state back the information/results people have digested on this board……very simple, very easy questions.....so what does that tell you about the things people have been saying on here? You seemed perfectly happy to sit silent whilst other people made this into the savior of all mods, yet when I ask a few very simple questions that question the results…. ‘rumourmongering’, ‘lying’, misinformation’……. What did i say to insult you? I assure you i had no intention of doing so.

As for ‘crucifying Loosh’ who was doing that? He feels a fuel cut on the dyno is more risky than hammering the car with over 400hp from the engine with stock internals. Fair enough, it’s his car and he has every right to do whatever he wants :cool:

I am more than happy to wait for other people's dyno's this week to see the replicated results (2thumbs)

Palerider – I sincerely wish you the best with your testing this week. I have all my fingers and toes crossed your car can produce the results we are all dying to see (2thumbs)

[Captain KRM P5]

What did i say to insult you? I assure you i had no intention of doing so.

As for ‘crucifying Loosh’ who was doing that?


i don't mean to come across at you personally, don't take it that way at all. its more a combination of things said by many people across many mediums. consider it partly me venting my own frustrations on matters. so, nothing personal intended at all.

i'm sure laloosh will be happy to tell you how he feels he has been attacked on this or any other forums. semi-lol there :)

[Flogbox]

Well i apologise if I insulted you in any way.

This is an important step for everyone and emotions run high because a lot is counting on this pump. To top it off you US guys are having a lot of dramas with the car. I understand that must add an extreme amount of frustration. I know of the countless hours your shop has put into these cars to help find a fix, especially with that guys MS6. It’s hard work, expensive work and most often thankless work.

[laloosh]

for the last time. Theres a difference btwn hitting fuel cut and running out of fuel....read before u comment.

[palerider]

I think its a little funny where this thread is going.

We all agree that the car runs out of fuel/ fuel cuts... on the stock map with at most four mods..... maybe less.

intake, ic, tbe, boost

For all the guys who arent going to take it past an intake, in the summer time, then maybe the cdfp is all hype. But for all the guys that do, then this mod is the next step. Even more than engine management.

Its just stupid to argue whether this thing is hype or not. The VERY first thing the caliber guys did is increase fuel capability. ALL the VW manufacturers list the cdfp as a way to add 30hp to a stage 2 VW. Laloosh, Driver, Mrlilguy, and myself noticed improvements.... at the track, seat of the pants, and general performance of the car. Even over on the VW boards this same discussion is going on. People arent just making this shit up.

If anything.... the only thing that points against the pump is Mrlilguys very strange dyno runs. Low and all over the place really..... I had a hard time gauging gains on damn near anything he added or subtracted. If we were to use his recent dynos as advertisement....I might not even want mod my car. Damn go look at em.... an iced intercooler gave the best damn gains of the day. Better than boost, sri, rp, fp, you name it. Fucken go ice.

I can understand Dadas concern. His dyno on a completely different car/ecu didnt really give him much. Thats legit. But even he states the obvious... that its eventually going to be needed anyway.

Plus now we have guys maybe blowing the first couple engines with the lean spots on WOT runs. Jesus.... theres no hype here. Everybody who is modding a DISI engine knows you have to upgrade the damn thing. EVERYBODY. Why else are 4 VW manufacturers, and at least 3 ms3 manufacturers promoting it.

Its a mandatory mod... possibly the single most important one after intake/rp.

[Sierra117]

The fuel pump is to our cars as the turbo back/radiator/cooling mods is to the FD3.

[Captain KRM P5]

The fuel pump is to our cars as the turbo back/radiator/cooling mods is to the FD3.

i don't know if i would go quite that far. those cars were time bombs without those modifications, lol. not so much with the ms3.

[Grim~]

i am a firm believer that this pump works,all i need is the money to buy it

[AutoXRacer]

I'd be willing to dyno pre and post fuel pump mod...but I have never experienced fuel cut/run out of fuel/nor boost cut since the temps out here in Florida are quite warm and the car no longer spins wheels on 2nd...temps have to be below 80 roughly in order to spin. I don't think this mod will affectively help me make more power.

All this talk about fuel cut, running out of fuel, etc will go away once the weather starts warming up I believe...

[shucky]

Pale, you ever re-install your pump? Where is lilguy's website, cant find it?

[nypest]

here (http://www.mrlilguycdfps.com/Site/Welcome.html)

[palerider]

Pale, you ever re-install your pump? Where is lilguy's website, cant find it?

Ive got it....

My tuners been out of town until tonight. Install and dynos this week if all goes as planned.

Trust me Im tired of this shit I just want it on already... but I almost feel like I owe it to the community to find out how the hell it does for me.

[ericrapp]

Gentlemen, from someone who might know next to nothing, Doesn't every one datalog the a/f ratio to tune the car? If you are running out of fuel at say high RPMs, wouldn't the car report a lean trend? Sorry for naive question. just wondering

[mrlilguy157]

not in the top end, in the midrange.

http://www.mrlilguycdfps.com/Site/Media_files/ProjectedHPFlowChart.gif

[palerider]

not in the top end, in the midrange.

http://www.mrlilguycdfps.com/Site/Media_files/ProjectedHPFlowChart.gif

Thats based off APR and autotechs own info right?

[cld12pk2go]

subscribed

[koston33]

Hey anyone have a dyno sheet with this new pump would love to see the change.

[Captain KRM P5]

it is unlikely you will see much horsepower gain from just the pump. its been stated countless times the pump is not designed to add power, its more in place to allow people to run more bolt ons, more boost, engine management and have the ability to tune more fuel for those mods. you will certainly see drivability gains from it, datalogs with the standback show more fuel pressure, and the car will definetely feel much better with this pump. but in terms of an actual dyno gain from just a pump, i do not think people should expect that or should buy a pump thinking its going to add a whopper of a WHP increase.

[mrlilguy157]

it is unlikely you will see much horsepower gain from just the pump. its been stated countless times the pump is not designed to add power, its more in place to allow people to run more bolt ons, more boost, engine management and have the ability to tune more fuel for those mods. you will certainly see drivability gains from it, datalogs with the standback show more fuel pressure, and the car will definetely feel much better with this pump. but in terms of an actual dyno gain from just a pump, i do not think people should expect that or should buy a pump thinking its going to add a whopper of a WHP increase.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

Fuel cut comes from pressure drop. This keeps pressures high and allows plenty of power and fuel to enter the motor whenever you need it.

[koston33]

Yes, I'm sorry I should have made it more clear. With other mods as well. I just heard that the torque curve doesn't fall after 55000 rpms but the boost remains all the way to red line.

[Sierra117]

Yes, I'm sorry I should have made it more clear. With other mods as well. I just heard that the torque curve doesn't fall after 55000 rpms but the boost remains all the way to red line.

Yup.

[mrlilguy157]

Yup.

PM sierra117 or SLS MS3. They both have upgrades and know how the car feels. The added torque and the curves of power are different, in a positive way.

blue line is with the upgraded pump, red line is the stocker. LMK any questions through PM's. I can't really promote selling publically in threads.

http://www.mrlilguycdfps.com/dynographs/SRI_TP_3rd.jpg