Broken 3rd gear x 3

[Kooldino]

So tonight I broke my third third gear.

I was accelerating mildly....at partial throttle running just a few psi. My one year old GTX 3rd gear gave out.

Before it, I broke two stock 3rd gears.

Back in June, I popped the stock 4th gear and replaced it with a cryo treated and micropolished 4th gear.

At this point, I'm running out of options. I may go with the Hiboost 3rd and 4th gear if I can get ahold of Juan.

[mike2225]

ouch that really blows, did you have the gtx gear cryo treated and micro polished?

[djarkitek]

thats sucks! transmission is turning into the #1 problem these days...

[Kooldino]

ouch that really blows, did you have the gtx gear cryo treated and micro polished?

No, but my OEM 4th gear is.

[Kooldino]

thats sucks! transmission is turning into the #1 problem these days...

Has been for me for 2 years now. :(

[turbolife]

Sucks man, sorry to hear... :(

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

is there any options outthere to fix these shitty ass transmission we have ? can we bolt on another tranny from another car ? theres got to be something out there to cure these problem, its getting worst than the shitty ass oem rods !!!

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

So tonight I broke my third third gear.

I was accelerating mildly....at partial throttle running just a few psi. My one year old GTX 3rd gear gave out.

Before it, I broke two stock 3rd gears.

Back in June, I popped the stock 4th gear and replaced it with a cryo treated and micropolished 4th gear.

At this point, I'm running out of options. I may go with the Hiboost 3rd and 4th gear if I can get ahold of Juan.


you can always talk to FOCUS, he seems to have the formula for an INSANE bullet proof Tranny !!!

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

I also had same problems.. poped 3rd gear and 4th.. and Went with TBK 3rd and 4th Gears, and cryo treated the entire transmission internals including the helical cut gears mentioned above, and its holding like a champ, i have 372whp at 15 psi and GT3582R Turbo and its all running exellent..

[Jaysanooch]

So tonight I broke my third third gear.

OH NO!...AGAIN! What a PITA! What other options is there? Rebuild it and de-tune your car? Or going with straight cut gears or dog box. I know you have better places to put that money towards....so this is a tough one.


I also had same problems.. poped 3rd gear and 4th.. and Went with TBK 3rd and 4th Gears, and cryo treated the entire transmission internals including the helical cut gears mentioned above, and its holding like a champ, i have 372whp at 15 psi and GT3582R Turbo and its all running exellent..

Knock on wood...your tranny keeps holding up but with that amount of power...how long is the big question. I think your only getting by because you haven't driven your car much. Kooldino has been pounding on 300whp for years....so imagine "372whp".

[Boosted03MSP]

That sucks Dana. I guess next 3rd you put in will have to be cryo treated like your 4th.

[nvmsp]

You seem like you got money, be the first to do a custom gear set for us(did that guy focus already do it?). Or somebody find a place that will do it, get a final price. Obviously there is a market for them.

The transmission is whats gonna hold me back from doing the last few final upgrades which are the big ones.

I might have to back out of the protege game if this problem can't be solved.
I don't plan on running 18psi or more, but I may once or twice when I have stronger rods just to see how it feels. just 9psi-10psi pulls hard as hell with a non-stock turbo and even with the stock one, so 15psi and up must be hell on the transmission. I plan on using abut 15psi to race and 10-12 daily. Thats more than enough but if the transmission keeps breaking, whats the point.?!

[Kooldino]

I also had same problems.. poped 3rd gear and 4th.. and Went with TBK 3rd and 4th Gears, and cryo treated the entire transmission internals including the helical cut gears mentioned above, and its holding like a champ, i have 372whp at 15 psi and GT3582R Turbo and its all running exellent..

Yeah, but how long will it last is the question....

[shane02pro5]

First I was just asking about 3rd & 4th

Hello Shane,

We have available a 3rd~4th gear set for the Mazda G-Series transmission
fitted to your vehicle. Like you, many of our customers have big issues
with the gears in these transmissions.

The Mazda G-Series gear sets are actually on special for customers in
the USA during the month of January for the very first time, so your
enquiry has been timed perfectly.

The pricing for the 3rd/4th synchromesh gear option is $1,530 AUD
(Normally $1,700 AUD). We only have straight cut gears in stock at the
moment with helical cut version made on an order basis. The lead time
for a helical set will be approximately 6~8 weeks.

We look forward to hearing back from you soon.

Regards,

Gerard Chan
Precision Automation and Robotics


Then I found out I could get my taxes started so $$$!!
And I asked about the full gearset!

Hi Shane,

We also have the synchromesh engagement 1st~4th gear set for the Mazda
G-Series gearbox on special this month for $3,420 AUD (Normally $3,800
AUD). Included in the pricing is the input shaft and gears. These
replace the same factory parts inside your transmission.
As an option, we can also supply double synchroniser versions of 3rd and
4th gears so that you can have the very best shifting transmission
available. If your tranmisssion is single synchromesh on 3rd gear, the
std Mazda 2nd gear synchromesh can be used with our 3rd and 4th gears.

There is also an option crown wheel and pinion upgrade kit available for
the FWD transmissions. These come in a number of final drive ratios and
are also on special for $1,210 AUD.

If you order the whole gear set and crown wheel/pinion kit together, the
pricing drops to $4,230 AUD, so you're saving an additional $400 AUD.

These kits are all in stock and ready to go.

Regards,

Gerard Chan
Precision Automation and Robotics
Ph: +61 2 9820 1100 Fax: +61 2 9820 1900
19 Saggart Field Road
Minto
NSW, 2566
Australia

I'm assuming I need a quaife in order to do the full set and don't if I only do 3rd & 4th. But I would most likely put in an order for Helical cut double synchro 1-4 and then an extra $$$$ for the quaife??!!

[nvmsp]

sounds kinda good.

[03.5MSP]

Sorry to hear about that Dana. Hope you get your car up and running soon.

[Focus]

I'm assuming I need a quaife in order to do the full set and don't if I only do 3rd & 4th. But I would most likely put in an order for Helical cut double synchro 1-4 and then an extra $$$$ for the quaife??!!

You can bolt the ring gear to the stock MSP diff, but if you're going that far, why not get the quaife...

[Maxx Mazda]

Shitty deal man, I broke something in mine too last year, STILL haven't touched it lol! I'll pull the cover off this weekend and start tearing it down...

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

Yeah, but how long will it last is the question....

well only time will tell Kooldino, the 2 days i had the car in my hands with that power, i raced the shit out of it for straight 2 days, power shifting and everything, i mean when you add cryo treatment the parts usually gets stronger and last longer without breaking, i hope it takes the longest time to break, and if they do, i´ll just install the Quife LSD, and those Australian Gear sets but in helical Cut Gears, since these is for daily driving, and don´t want loud ass noise while driving...

[Focus]

This is the PAR Gearset:

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Focus/gearset.jpg

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

This is the PAR Gearset:

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Focus/gearset.jpg

are those Straight cut gears FOCUS ?

[Focus]

yes

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

yes

have you tried them already ? how loud they are ? how much it was the whole thing ? since i have the lsd welded, i was not able to use the big ring right ?

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

First I was just asking about 3rd & 4th

Hello Shane,

We have available a 3rd~4th gear set for the Mazda G-Series transmission
fitted to your vehicle. Like you, many of our customers have big issues
with the gears in these transmissions.

The Mazda G-Series gear sets are actually on special for customers in
the USA during the month of January for the very first time, so your
enquiry has been timed perfectly.

The pricing for the 3rd/4th synchromesh gear option is $1,530 AUD
(Normally $1,700 AUD). We only have straight cut gears in stock at the
moment with helical cut version made on an order basis. The lead time
for a helical set will be approximately 6~8 weeks.

We look forward to hearing back from you soon.

Regards,

Gerard Chan
Precision Automation and Robotics


Then I found out I could get my taxes started so $$$!!
And I asked about the full gearset!

Hi Shane,

We also have the synchromesh engagement 1st~4th gear set for the Mazda
G-Series gearbox on special this month for $3,420 AUD (Normally $3,800
AUD). Included in the pricing is the input shaft and gears. These
replace the same factory parts inside your transmission.
As an option, we can also supply double synchroniser versions of 3rd and
4th gears so that you can have the very best shifting transmission
available. If your tranmisssion is single synchromesh on 3rd gear, the
std Mazda 2nd gear synchromesh can be used with our 3rd and 4th gears.

There is also an option crown wheel and pinion upgrade kit available for
the FWD transmissions. These come in a number of final drive ratios and
are also on special for $1,210 AUD.

If you order the whole gear set and crown wheel/pinion kit together, the
pricing drops to $4,230 AUD, so you're saving an additional $400 AUD.

These kits are all in stock and ready to go.

Regards,

Gerard Chan
Precision Automation and Robotics
Ph: +61 2 9820 1100 Fax: +61 2 9820 1900
19 Saggart Field Road
Minto
NSW, 2566
Australia

I'm assuming I need a quaife in order to do the full set and don't if I only do 3rd & 4th. But I would most likely put in an order for Helical cut double synchro 1-4 and then an extra $$$$ for the quaife??!!


do you guys do shipping for Spain ? it would be a hell of a deal since the Euro its insanely higher than the USA Dollars... i might be interested on buying these to have it when i up the boost and the actual tranny setup im running pops !!!

[03.5MSP]

Dana already has a quaife LSD. Now he just needs a little better gears.

[Focus]

4,230.00 Aud = 3,724.08 Usd = 2,538.48 Eur

[shane02pro5]

$5500 motor still owe $1400
$3000 gearset
$1500 quaife

Tax return $5000 maybe
things don't add up!
Single dad 2 kids and bills!

Oh and I need it all in 2 weeks when I put in my motor!

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

4,230.00 Aud = 3,724.08 Usd = 2,538.48 Eur

so, shipping for spain is posible then ? also,, focus. what exactly would i need to make my tranny bullet proof and to hold what im trowing at it, i want to up the boost more, but want to have a tranny that could hold it.. sorry for the threadjack, but i'll be most likely buying what ever i need for it. and since shane is selling if not mistaken, that's why im asking these questions. sorry Kooldino if you don't mind me asking these in your thread..

[2.0t03speed]

dog box for crossover? get it if you got 4k =)

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

dog box for crossover? get it if you got 4k =)


Quife: $ 1,525.00
ARP LSD Blot Kit: $ 175.00
Cross Dog Box $ 4,000.00
---------------
$ 5,700.00 + Who knows how much Shipping to Spain..


Labor is not a Problem, my all time best friend owns a Shop in here, so labor its Freebie !!!

[2.0t03speed]

yea but dog boxes are the shit

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

yea but dog boxes are the shit

but, do you need to send then your old tranny ? or how does it works..

[Focus]

Quife: $ 1,525.00
ARP LSD Blot Kit: $ 175.00
Cross Dog Box $ 4,000.00
---------------
$ 5,700.00 + Who knows how much Shipping to Spain..


Labor is not a Problem, my all time best friend owns a Shop in here, so labor its Freebie !!!

Shipping to Spain, should be $200 or less...

yea but dog boxes are the shit

Yes and no, they wear out extremely fast. Great for racing only.

but, do you need to send then your old tranny ? or how does it works..

No, they send you all the parts and you assemble yourself.

Par can make any type of gearset. Helical, staight cut or combination of the two. They also can make dog engagement gearset.

[shane02pro5]

I'm not the one selling I'm buying and I just received these emails from PAR today.

I'm still at a loss what to do! I am only looking for just over 300whp! My 3rd clanks so I'm avoiding it and my 2nd gear synchro is out and my motor will be coming soon I just want a solution by when I'm installing my new motor! Pricing is a little higher than the $2800 I was expecting since now I have to add a quaife to it!

[Maxx Mazda]

Does PAR offer any kind of warranty on their gearsets? I'm on tranny #3 now (chewed through GTX gears even) so I need a replacement...

[shane02pro5]

check em out www.par-engineering.com (http://www.par-engineering.com) under FAQ's

[Kooldino]

First I was just asking about 3rd & 4th

Hello Shane,

We have available a 3rd~4th gear set for the Mazda G-Series transmission
fitted to your vehicle. Like you, many of our customers have big issues
with the gears in these transmissions.

The Mazda G-Series gear sets are actually on special for customers in
the USA during the month of January for the very first time, so your
enquiry has been timed perfectly.

The pricing for the 3rd/4th synchromesh gear option is $1,530 AUD
(Normally $1,700 AUD). We only have straight cut gears in stock at the
moment with helical cut version made on an order basis. The lead time
for a helical set will be approximately 6~8 weeks.

We look forward to hearing back from you soon.

Regards,

Gerard Chan
Precision Automation and Robotics


Then I found out I could get my taxes started so $$$!!
And I asked about the full gearset!

Hi Shane,

We also have the synchromesh engagement 1st~4th gear set for the Mazda
G-Series gearbox on special this month for $3,420 AUD (Normally $3,800
AUD). Included in the pricing is the input shaft and gears. These
replace the same factory parts inside your transmission.
As an option, we can also supply double synchroniser versions of 3rd and
4th gears so that you can have the very best shifting transmission
available. If your tranmisssion is single synchromesh on 3rd gear, the
std Mazda 2nd gear synchromesh can be used with our 3rd and 4th gears.

There is also an option crown wheel and pinion upgrade kit available for
the FWD transmissions. These come in a number of final drive ratios and
are also on special for $1,210 AUD.

If you order the whole gear set and crown wheel/pinion kit together, the
pricing drops to $4,230 AUD, so you're saving an additional $400 AUD.

These kits are all in stock and ready to go.

Regards,

Gerard Chan
Precision Automation and Robotics
Ph: +61 2 9820 1100 Fax: +61 2 9820 1900
19 Saggart Field Road
Minto
NSW, 2566
Australia

I'm assuming I need a quaife in order to do the full set and don't if I only do 3rd & 4th. But I would most likely put in an order for Helical cut double synchro 1-4 and then an extra $$$$ for the quaife??!!



I'll have to call these guys.

[2.0t03speed]

so a 6 month warrenty

[nvmsp]

Too much money for me, well at least the LSD screw that I'll get a new welded mazda one.
What gears are they, what makes them better than stock. Whats the helical one, isnt that what people say is better? I need inormation people!

think I'll change out 1st-4th when/if the time comes along with new LSD. If I ever get that far with this car.

[shane02pro5]

Aircraft grade tool steel and the teeth are wider. Helical cut is the same as stock. Straight cut is what they have in stock but they are loud as hell! I'm still waiting to hear back whether I can just do 3rd & 4th straight cut since they have them now with the welded LSD.

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

Straight Cut Gears are no good for a daily driving car, since they make such a loud ass noise, i don´t think anyone here wants to hear that noise all day long, just imagine 5th gear on straight cut and a long trip... Its better to have Helical Cut Cryo treated gears i guess..

also what´s the point of helical cut gears if they are the same as stock ?

[2.0t03speed]

what he means is the stock gears are helical cut too. what they are made of and how big they are is entierly different.

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

what he means is the stock gears are helical cut too. what they are made of and how big they are is entierly different.

ok, i get it know.... i mean, i have 3rd and 4th gear from TBK Helical cut and Cryo treated, do i really need to be aware of anything else breaking in my transmission ? i also have Welded LSD with Cryo Treatment. shitty ass welding but, its holding, i need a little help here to know what i might need to change.

[2.0t03speed]

wait until it breaks then change it

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

wait until it breaks then change it

wait to break what ? the Gears were made to hold 600whp those are from the ones Hiboost sales, only 3rd and 4th are the only gears that gives problems ?

[Focus]

Straight Cut Gears are no good for a daily driving car, since they make such a loud ass noise, i don´t think anyone here wants to hear that noise all day long, just imagine 5th gear on straight cut and a long trip... Its better to have Helical Cut Cryo treated gears i guess..

also what´s the point of helical cut gears if they are the same as stock ?

OK, 5th gear doesn't change, it's on the outside of the casing, you use your old one. As for the noise, Par-engineering told me that you will not hear them over the exhaust.

As for the hiboost gears, I hope they do hold 600whp, but from pictures I have seen, I am not too sure.

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

OK, 5th gear doesn't change, it's on the outside of the casing, you use your old one. As for the noise, Par-engineering told me that you will not hear them over the exhaust.

As for the hiboost gears, I hope they do hold 600whp, but from pictures I have seen, I am not too sure.

well i really don´t think i could ever be near those numbers, its really ridiculous for a street car.. no fun at all to drive..but Focus one more question, since you know and seen in pictures the gears i have, do i have to worry about anything else in my tranny if i up the boost a little more ? is there something i should be aware off ?

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

these is what i have as for 3rd and 4th gears,, do i really need to be aware of anything else breaking ? 1st, 2nd, or 5th gears ?

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mazdaspeed2oo35/Mazdaspeed%20005.jpghttp://www.msprotege.com/members/Mazdaspeed2oo35/Mazdaspeed%20003.jpghttp://www.msprotege.com/members/Mazdaspeed2oo35/Mazdaspeed%20001.jpg

[Focus]

well i really don´t think i could ever be near those numbers, its really ridiculous for a street car.. no fun at all to drive..but Focus one more question, since you know and seen in pictures the gears i have, do i have to worry about anything else in my tranny if i up the boost a little more ? is there something i should be aware off ?

From all the information I have gathered, and I know there will be people arguing with me on this one, people that have engineering degrees and what not. BUT, no degree helps when it comes to real world tests by owners.

Let me say, as a stock transmission we have a good one, but not meant to hold power, just like most other transmissions, VW, etc...

The problem with the G series transmission for high power use is two fold.

First problem is oil circulation. The gears are mounted on sleeves or bushings, whatever you want to call them. Every time I have broken a gear, it is usually accompanied with scoring and/or burning on the accompanying synchro. Tells me there was a lack of oil.

Second problem, is the casings being weak, and flexing, thus causing more stress on the gears.

Both these areas can be addressed with a Par gearset. How ??

Well , the Par gearset uses needle bearings behind the gears, instead of sleeves or bushings. This helps with oiling since more oil can flow between needle bearings , and the gears spin more freely as well.

Second, by replacing 3rd and 4th gear by straight cut, you are eliminating the side load, (at least a good amount of it, if not all ), you get with helical, therefore, less flex of the casing.

Another thing that can contribute to case strength, is to ceramic coat it. People will argue about heat, but the tranny does not get that hot that it will affect it, unless of course you road race. And if you do road race, then it's a good investment to get a tranny cooler with a pump...

[Focus]

I hope this picture is not complete because there are parts missing:

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mazdaspeed2oo35/Mazdaspeed%20005.jpg

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

I hope this picture is not complete because there are parts missing:

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mazdaspeed2oo35/Mazdaspeed%20005.jpg

i really don´t know anything about transmissions, but that´s how TBK had them in their table for me to take the pictures of proof of the gears i have, i really don´t know if there is anything missing, can you be a little more specific about what´s missing ? and what else you think i might need to change in the future to have a long lasting Tranny ?

[Focus]

i really don´t know anything about transmissions, but that´s how TBK had them in their table for me to take the pictures of proof of the gears i have, i really don´t know if there is anything missing, can you be a little more specific about what´s missing ? and what else you think i might need to change in the future to have a long lasting Tranny ?

Two posts up.

Don't do anything yet until it breaks. Then you can plan it.

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

Two posts up.

Don't do anything yet until it breaks. Then you can plan it.

ok i got you.... is it worth the money a quife LSD ? or if my shitty welded LSD breaks should i get a revised one welded and cryo treated again ? big price difference

[vindication]

how is the engagement on the straight cut? would it be safe to get the PAR gear set with only 3rd & 4th gears being straight and rest helical or is it recomended all the same? Also what are the helical PAR gears rated for?

[Focus]

how is the engagement on the straight cut? would it be safe to get the PAR gear set with only 3rd & 4th gears being straight and rest helical or is it recomended all the same? Also what are the helical PAR gears rated for?

You can get whatever combination you like. Par gearsets, according to their site, are used by racers with 500hp.

[Maxx Mazda]

i really don´t know anything about transmissions, but that´s how TBK had them in their table for me to take the pictures of proof of the gears i have, i really don´t know if there is anything missing, can you be a little more specific about what´s missing ? and what else you think i might need to change in the future to have a long lasting Tranny ?

Where's the Shift collar (that the fork attaches to?) I sure hope they didn't put those spring keys in there upside down either, they're marked REALLY hard to see, but if they did that thing is gonna come apart like yo momma's legs on prom night!

[JoseProte83]

Now I have doubts about mounting my car.... Sniffffff May sell all and buy a Turbo 2...

[Kooldino]

Sorry to hear about that Dana. Hope you get your car up and running soon.

That won't happen. I've got customer's motors and transmissions to build first. (whip)

[Kooldino]

Dana already has a quaife LSD. Now he just needs MUCH better gears.

*fixed

[Kooldino]

$5500 motor still owe $1400
$3000 gearset


^Just FYI, to all of those who are interested in a PAR setup, I may be offering these in the near future. They will be available as the entire new gearset as well as drop in replacements for our stock 3rd and 4th gears. The latter should cost under $1400 to your door.

[mike2225]

Well put me on that list,I have 80k on my tranny and will be in desperate of these gears once my motor is back together and i turn up the boost!

[2.0t03speed]

^Just FYI, to all of those who are interested in a PAR setup, I may be offering these in the near future. They will be available as the entire new gearset as well as drop in replacements for our stock 3rd and 4th gears. The latter should cost under $1400 to your door.

sweet let me know when u start selling them.

[31R]

That would be great! I think that would complete a lot of members builds, for sure it would complete mine. Thanks!

^Just FYI, to all of those who are interested in a PAR setup, I may be offering these in the near future. They will be available as the entire new gearset as well as drop in replacements for our stock 3rd and 4th gears. The latter should cost under $1400 to your door.

[FuLcRuM]

How about doing a bulk buy on the Par gearsets?

I inquired awhile ago and if we get 10 people to go in we get a pretty signifigant discount. I have all the numbers at home but they are even better then these January Sales numbers.

I think all we really need is 3rd and 4th since those are the weakest 2 gears but I'm also interested in just getting the complete set and being done with these crappy trannies.

I also agree with Focus that were gonna have to just break down and get the strait cut gears. Mine is a DD as well but honestly most of my driving is in 5th so as long as we leave that Helical (and don't boost on it) we should be good up to 500+ HP.

There are probably 2 or 3 of us with Probes that would also get in on these if you guys wanna try and do a BB.

If we do the complete 1-4 setup we can also play with our ratio's, I know Id like 1st to be around 3:1

[boostdprotegelx]

How about doing a bulk buy on the Par gearsets?

I inquired awhile ago and if we get 10 people to go in we get a pretty signifigant discount. I have all the numbers at home but they are even better then these January Sales numbers.

I think all we really need is 3rd and 4th since those are the weakest 2 gears but I'm also interested in just getting the complete set and being done with these crappy trannies.

I also agree with Focus that were gonna have to just break down and get the strait cut gears. Mine is a DD as well but honestly most of my driving is in 5th so as long as we leave that Helical (and don't boost on it) we should be good up to 500+ HP.

There are probably 2 or 3 of us with Probes that would also get in on these if you guys wanna try and do a BB.

If we do the complete 1-4 setup we can also play with our ratio's, I know Id like 1st to be around 3:1

damn dude... looks like we're in the same position.. i'm getting the money ready !!!

par gearset..woot..

i talked to them. and what they told me for what i wanted was roughly 4k...ouch... but we'll see.

[FuLcRuM]

damn dude... looks like we're in the same position.. i'm getting the money ready !!!

par gearset..woot..

i talked to them. and what they told me for what i wanted was roughly 4k...ouch... but we'll see.

We probably don't NEED the Pinion gear, just 1-4 strait cut with the double syncros and needle bearings. That should be closer to the 3k mark, maybe a tad less if we get 10 people in on it. (thumb)

[Rush]

.. NO, I will NOT be the person who lays under your MP3 to hold the tube up while you pour in new tranny fluid, so that I wind up with my arm dyed bright turquoise again!

:p

[505zoom]

Crap. Not what I was hoping to hear.

[shane02pro5]

I'm certain the 1-4 set requires the ring gear for the differential since the pinion gear it meshes with is part of the pinion shaft. Maybe I'm wrong but that's what I understood. All this transmission terminology is melting my brain!!

We probably don't NEED the Pinion gear, just 1-4 strait cut with the double syncros and needle bearings. That should be closer to the 3k mark, maybe a tad less if we get 10 people in on it. (thumb)

[Focus]

I'm certain the 1-4 set requires the ring gear for the differential since the pinion gear it meshes with is part of the pinion shaft. Maybe I'm wrong but that's what I understood. All this transmission terminology is melting my brain!!

Comes with the ring gear, if you buy the full gear set...

[shane02pro5]

In post 66 Fulcrum mentioned not needing to replace the the pinion gear which meshes with the ring gear. Suggesting just dropping in 1-4 gearset with stock LSD and pinion gear.

[Focus]

OK, little update. I made a phone call to Gerard from Par-Engineering, he will get on here and help answer some questions that people have...

[FuLcRuM]

Hi Shane,

We also have the synchromesh engagement 1st~4th gear set for the Mazda
G-Series gearbox on special this month for $3,420 AUD (Normally $3,800
AUD). Included in the pricing is the input shaft and gears. These
replace the same factory parts inside your transmission.
As an option, we can also supply double synchroniser versions of 3rd and
4th gears so that you can have the very best shifting transmission
available. If your tranmisssion is single synchromesh on 3rd gear, the
std Mazda 2nd gear synchromesh can be used with our 3rd and 4th gears.

There is also an option crown wheel and pinion upgrade kit available for
the FWD transmissions. These come in a number of final drive ratios and
are also on special for $1,210 AUD.

If you order the whole gear set and crown wheel/pinion kit together, the
pricing drops to $4,230 AUD, so you're saving an additional $400 AUD.

These kits are all in stock and ready to go.

Regards,


I am assuming from this earlier post (and emails I've recieved from PAR) that the Pinion and crown are in addition to the 1-4 set. Id be very happy if they are part of it though.

Is the pinion (or crown forget which is which) part of the output shaft or is it pressed on?

[Focus]

The pinion is part of the output shaft.

[FuLcRuM]

I guess we can just wait for Gerard but the 1-4 set must not come with the output shaft, we just reuse our stock one.

I have chipped a tooth on my crown but that was only cause it picked up bits of 3rd the last time I blew it.

[Kooldino]

.. NO, I will NOT be the person who lays under your MP3 to hold the tube up while you pour in new tranny fluid, so that I wind up with my arm dyed bright turquoise again!

:p

How about if it's dyed pinkish red instead? I no longer use lightweight shockproof. I replaced it with heavyweight shockproof. :)

[spoolintruck]

I am interested in 3rd and 4th, i dont plan on making enough power to hurt anything other than those 2 gears.

[Jaysanooch]

I am interested in 3rd and 4th, i dont plan on making enough power to hurt anything other than those 2 gears.

Same here!

[gmc]

Hi Guys,

As requested, I've just joined your forum to answer some of the questions that you may all have. It's a great community that you all have formed here.

To confirm, here are the options and variants of the G-Series gear sets:

1st~4th dog engagement, straight cut (racing use only)
1st~4th synchromesh engagement, straight cut (Optional helical)
(Stock 5th gear is used with all versions. Billet 5th gear set is available as an option)

Crown wheel and pinion optional (available in a number or ratios including custom)

3rd & 4th gears can be supplied in single and double synchromesh versions
3rd & 4th gears can be supplied in needle roller or std versions
All gears can be supplied in straight cut or helical (optional) versions

All of the options do not attract any extra cost. The only extra cost will be the purchase of new Mazda double synchromesh assemblies if your transmission is single and you choose the double synchromesh gears. We will supply the Mazda part numbers to make it easy.

The only lubricant that we recommend to use with out gear sets is the NEO Synthetic 75w90HD or 75w90RHD gear oil. It's made in the USA and used in all forms of professional upper echelon motorsport. These are a GL5/GL6 API rated lubricants.

I've multi-quoted many of the questions with our response/comments below.

do you guys do shipping for Spain ? it would be a hell of a deal since the Euro its insanely higher than the USA Dollars... i might be interested on buying these to have it when i up the boost and the actual tranny setup im running pops !!!

We ship our products all over the world by normal postal service or UPS for Expedited delivery. If purchased as part of a big group deal, we can drop ship directly to each person, or to a single person for distribution.

yea but dog boxes are the shit

We only every recommend dog engagement gear sets for customers who use their vehicles for racing use only. Some customers like the dog sets for street use, but 95% of normal street drivers will experience accelerated dog wear due to the extremely different shifting techniques required compared to a normal synchromesh engagement transmission.

but, do you need to send then your old tranny ? or how does it works..

We usually supply the parts to replace the OEM items into your transmission. The fitment can usually be performed by any reputable transmission overhaul shop if they have experience overhauling the G-Series. The only technically challenging part is the need to grind the pinion shaft to a set OD for certain gears if you would like to fit the needle roller bearings. We make a large number of variants to suit different customer's requirements.

Does PAR offer any kind of warranty on their gearsets? I'm on tranny #3 now (chewed through GTX gears even) so I need a replacement...

PAR offers a 6 months parts and workmanship warranty. This does not include abusive shifting which may damage stock synchroniser and shifting parts which may in turn damage the gear set.

Straight Cut Gears are no good for a daily driving car, since they make such a loud ass noise, i don´t think anyone here wants to hear that noise all day long, just imagine 5th gear on straight cut and a long trip... Its better to have Helical Cut Cryo treated gears i guess..

also what´s the point of helical cut gears if they are the same as stock ?

Our straight cut gears have minimal noise due to the precision and minimal backlash set by our production team. As mentioned previously in other posts, The advantage of the straight cut gears is the minimal stress placed on the transmission housing compared to the helical version. We have had many customers rip the end of the transmission housing apart when pushing extreme horse power.

As an option, we can also supply a housing reinforcement kit which slips into the housing and reinforces the bearing retainers/cups. Fitment of this kit requires precision machining of the transmission case on CNC equipment though.

The helical gears we manufacture use a massive tooth profile compared to the stock OEM item. This provides much more strength and torque capability. The only downside is the extra noise generated. The factory item is cut with a very fine profile in order in the interest of NVH and comfort levels. We also use material that is much stronger than the stock items with all parts specially case hardened and shot peened for the best reliability and strength.

how is the engagement on the straight cut? would it be safe to get the PAR gear set with only 3rd & 4th gears being straight and rest helical or is it recomended all the same? Also what are the helical PAR gears rated for?

The PAR 3rd and 4th gear sets can be fitted along side the other stock transmission without any issues. They're designed to exactly fit within the parameters of the factory components that are being replaced.

I'm certain the 1-4 set requires the ring gear for the differential since the pinion gear it meshes with is part of the pinion shaft. Maybe I'm wrong but that's what I understood. All this transmission terminology is melting my brain!!

The 1st~4th gear set can be supplied with and without the crown wheel and pinion option.

Comes with the ring gear, if you buy the full gear set...

The crown wheel and pinion shaft is an optional extra to the base gear set.

Is the pinion (or crown forget which is which) part of the output shaft or is it pressed on?

The pinion shaft is the output shaft. The pinion gear that meshes and drives the differential crown wheel/ring gear is cut into the end of the shaft.

This is the PAR Gearset:

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Focus/gearset.jpg

This picture is of the very first generation Mazda G-Series gear sets. They have since been updated with the very latest tooth profiles and many improvements upon the continuing feedback from many of our customers, from both the street and racing community.

Here are photos of the very latest synchromesh engagement gear set version which was just assembled yesterday.

[boostdprotegelx]

sweet stuff man.. ok so...pricing???

[FuLcRuM]

The only lubricant that we recommend to use with out gear sets is the NEO Synthetic 75w90HD or 75w90RHD gear oil. It's made in the USA and used in all forms of professional upper echelon motorsport. These are a GL5/GL6 API rated lubricants.



The Mazda manual specifies GL-4, I've heard that GL-5 contains sulfer and can cause premature wear or damage to the brass syncro's.
Is this info correct or have the syncros changed over the years and this is no longer an issue?


Our straight cut gears have minimal noise due to the precision and minimal backlash set by our production team. As mentioned previously in other posts, The advantage of the straight cut gears is the minimal stress placed on the transmission housing compared to the helical version. We have had many customers rip the end of the transmission housing apart when pushing extreme horse power.

As an option, we can also supply a housing reinforcement kit which slips into the housing and reinforces the bearing retainers/cups. Fitment of this kit requires precision machining of the transmission case on CNC equipment though.


This is presicely the reason to get strait cut gears. It also sounds like the noise level is at least slightly increased with your helical, so we all may as well go strait cut anyway. (dunno)


We usually supply the parts to replace the OEM items into your transmission. The fitment can usually be performed by any reputable transmission overhaul shop if they have experience overhauling the G-Series. The only technically challenging part is the need to grind the pinion shaft to a set OD for certain gears if you would like to fit the needle roller bearings. We make a large number of variants to suit different customer's requirements.



Can you do this machining for us before they are shipped?
Do you provide the bearings?

[gmc]

The Mazda manual specifies GL-4, I've heard that GL-5 contains sulfer and can cause premature wear or damage to the brass syncro's.
Is this info correct or have the syncros changed over the years and this is no longer an issue?



This is presicely the reason to get strait cut gears. It also sounds like the noise level is at least slightly increased with your helical, so we all may as well go strait cut anyway. (dunno)



Can you do this machining for us before they are shipped?
Do you provide the bearings?

Not all GL5 lubricants are brass synchronizer safe. The Neo lubricant is both synchronizer safe and designed for all types of LSD units. It's actually rate up to the now defunct GL6 rating for high offset pinion gears.

The cases have to be machined, so the only options are for us to purchase new cases and machine them before shipping, you send your case or you arrange for a machine shop to perform the work for you in the USA.


The pricing has been posted previously by shane02pro5. To confirm, the pricing is as follows.

1st~4th synchromesh engagement gear set - $3,420 AUD (special for January)
Includes input shaft, and 1st~4th gears. Double synchronizer 3rd gear & or 4th gear is a no cost option. (4th gear double synchro version is Nil stock)

Optional crown wheel and pinion shaft - $1,210 AUD (special price for January)

Gear set + crown wheel and pinion shaft - $4,230 AUD (special price for January)

3rd/4th synchromesh engagement gears - $1,530 AUD (special price for January)

3rd synchromesh engagement gears - $850 AUD
Double synchromesh & or needle roller versions are a no cost option.

4th synchromesh engagement gears - $850 AUD
Double synchromesh & or needle roller versions are a no cost option.

[gandarilla]

How can I contact Par Engineering? I want a set 3rd &4th straight cut of this asap... Ianblake98@hotmail.com

Also do I have to machined the main shaft to fit this gears ?

[gmc]

I've sent you an e-mail.

If you want the needle roller 3rd and 4th gears, you will have to have your pinion shaft machined/ground to the correct dimensions. Otherwise, they gear will fit straight on.

[LinuxRacr]

Keep in mind that today

3,420.00 AUD = 3,057.81 USD

Also please note the vendor rules if you decide to conduct business here: Vendor Rules (http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54156)

[vindication]

and €2,068.80 :)

[MakeMeGoFast]

Keep in mind that today

3,420.00 AUD = 3,057.81 USD


wait the US dollar is actually better than something else.......(wow)

[Maxx Mazda]

I'll ask the obvious question here, but what's the (rough) associated cost on custom ratios? I want custom ratios for 1, 2 and 5. 1 needs to be taller, 2 taller by a hair, and 5 I want to be a granny gear.

I know the Puerto rico guys are running alot of custom ratios, and if a straight cut box is (honestly) not that loud, I'll go for it. Like I said, I'm on my 3rd trans. already, somethign has to be done.

On a note to PAR, you should really mass produce and (please) stock a few sets at a time. The Protege community has been waiting a LONG time for an "end all" transmission solution, and it would be beneficial to stock a few sets, as the orders will come pouring in quickly.

[FuLcRuM]

There are no additional charges for custom ratio's.

These are the ratio's I was thinking of.

1- 3
2- 1.83
3- 1.26
4- 0.95
5- 0.68
Using a 4.38 Final, or raise 4th and 5th a tad and use the 4.11 final. (dunno)

I'm currently using the stock 2.0 ratio's in my PGT and love 5th. It signifigantly reduces my RPM in combination with the 4.11 final. Our stock is .79 with a 4.38
I wouldn't want to go much taller then what i'm running now as I can't shift into 5th until 50MPH.

[Kooldino]

If anyone from the US (or Canada) wants a PAR setup, PM me with exactly what you want, as it looks like I'm going to be putting in an order with them.

[MakeMeGoFast]

Kooldino if you havent already, I'd spread the word over on Probetalk, I've seen you over there, and they have the same problems we do.

[B1GHAM]

Dana Im only a hop-skip away from ya (well, sorta) but Ill lend a hand on the weekend so we can get the beast back on the road.

[Kooldino]

There are no additional charges for custom ratio's.

These are the ratio's I was thinking of.

1- 3
2- 1.83
3- 1.26
4- 0.95
5- 0.68
Using a 4.38 Final, or raise 4th and 5th a tad and use the 4.11 final. (dunno)

I'm currently using the stock 2.0 ratio's in my PGT and love 5th. It signifigantly reduces my RPM in combination with the 4.11 final. Our stock is .79 with a 4.38
I wouldn't want to go much taller then what i'm running now as I can't shift into 5th until 50MPH.


According to the Protege FAQ, or stock ratios are:

1st gear
3.307:1
3.454:1
2nd gear
1.842:1
1.833:1
3rd gear
1.310:1
1.310:1
4th gear
0.970:1
0.914:1
5th gear
0.755:1
0.680:1
Final Drive
4.105:1
3.409:1
Reverse
3.166:1
3.454:1
For a high powered STREET car, I'd personally recommend something in the ballpark of:

1-2.8 (41 MPH @ 6500RPM)
2-1.55 (75 MPH @ 6500RPM)
3-1.26 (92 MPH @ 6500RPM)
4-.97 (120 MPH @ 6500RPM)
5-.755 (154 MPH @ 6500RPM)

My calculations assume that you're running a 215/45/17.

Basically, decently longer gears on the low end to help with traction, and marginally longer gears on the top end to help the range of the gearbox. I know my ratios might look odd to some, but for a 300+hp FWD Protege, you really need 1 and 2 to be as long as possible. With that amount of power, you don't have a chance in hell to get traction with a stock gear ratio, and you're going to be spinning tires until 3rd gear. Why not take some mechanical advantage away and trade wheel spin for acceleration?

PS - Here's a nice ratio calculator:
http://www.f-body.org/gears/

[spoolintruck]

I've sent you an e-mail.

If you want the needle roller 3rd and 4th gears, you will have to have your pinion shaft machined/ground to the correct dimensions. Otherwise, they gear will fit straight on.


I need a 3rd and 4th for my car. Are they billet? How much horsepower can they handle? I will be driving my car daily and dont know which gears to get helical, or straight? Is it neccesary to get the needle bearing conversion for those? what will be the cost shipped to 68152??

[Kooldino]

Kooldino if you havent already, I'd spread the word over on Probetalk, I've seen you over there, and they have the same problems we do.

Good call.

[Kooldino]

Dana Im only a hop-skip away from ya (well, sorta) but Ill lend a hand on the weekend so we can get the beast back on the road.

Gracias!

[MakeMeGoFast]

It could be the answer to their 500 gazillion page Transmission Brainstorm thread......lol

[djarkitek]

so is there some kind of possible final cost for these?

[FuLcRuM]

It could be the answer to their 500 gazillion page Transmission Brainstorm thread......lol

I've already posted in that thread about the PAR gears.

I'm on ProbeTalk, if you just join up and start advertising you will get your posts removed and possible Banned. You'll have to sign up as a vendor if you want to sell anything. They are pretty strict over there.

Also Probe owners tend to be cheap. There are a few of us who might actually pony up the dough for these but not many. Like I said earlier 2 or 3 is about all id expect. Maybe once these make it into some cars and have a chance to prove themselves you'll get more interest. (dunno)

[Jaysanooch]

Basically, decently longer gears on the low end to help with traction, and marginally longer gears on the top end to help the range of the gearbox. I know my ratios might look odd to some, but for a 300+hp FWD Protege, you really need 1 and 2 to be as long as possible. With that amount of power, you don't have a chance in hell to get traction with a stock gear ratio, and you're going to be spinning tires until 3rd gear. Why not take some mechanical advantage away and trade wheel spin for acceleration?


I agree 100%.

Just to shoot something out there...but I've always said german car's have the best transmissions..."gear ratio" wise. Would someone know what gear ratio's Porsche or Bmw used in the late 90's.

[FuLcRuM]

For a high powered STREET car, I'd personally recommend something in the ballpark of:

1-2.8 (41 MPH @ 6500RPM)
2-1.55 (75 MPH @ 6500RPM)
3-1.26 (92 MPH @ 6500RPM)
4-.97 (120 MPH @ 6500RPM)
5-.755 (154 MPH @ 6500RPM)

My calculations assume that you're running a 215/45/17.

Basically, decently longer gears on the low end to help with traction, and marginally longer gears on the top end to help the range of the gearbox. I know my ratios might look odd to some, but for a 300+hp FWD Protege, you really need 1 and 2 to be as long as possible. With that amount of power, you don't have a chance in hell to get traction with a stock gear ratio, and you're going to be spinning tires until 3rd gear. Why not take some mechanical advantage away and trade wheel spin for acceleration?


How about we comprimise some:
1 - 2.8 (41mph@6500)
2 - 1.8 (64mph@6500) I think your 2nd was to tall, RPM drop put us below our TQ curve.
3 - 1.26 (92mph@6500)
4 - 0.97 (119mph@6500)
5 - 0.69 (168mph@6500) I'm running a 0.72 now and love it. A tad lower RPM would be even better.

I agree on taking power from the low gears, 1st is useless, 2nd is ok up to 6lbs on my car (about 225HP @ wheels), 3rd will hold about 8-9lbs and 4th I go all the way to 13 (my Max boost). AVC-R works very well (lol2)

[Maxx Mazda]

You know what? Even if the gears stay the same and we drop the final drive (would require eplacing output shaft as well) we could do this...

[cityracer]

I'm a probe owner, and will start saving for this upgrade. The only thing holding me back from power tuning my set up has been my fear of not having a reliable trans. Which happened to break third just this last monday... We found this thread pretty quickly after it started. :)

PS-thanks for the pics Fulcrum. I shared all this with my mechanic who is installing the quaife. We are in final reassembly now. should we be overly concerned about adjusting backlash? Kind of don't have the tools necessary to check this...

[gmc]

The standard ratios that we have off the shelf are 3.11, 1.833, 1.24 and 0.9. Final drive ratios stocked are 4.13 and 4.43.

Here are some videos on Youtube of our straight cut gear sets in FWD applications. They will give you a good idea of how loud the straight cut gear sets are from inside and outside the car.

Nissan SR20 FWD synchromesh engagement straight cut gear set.
Inside the car drag racing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qmJ5-wwVDM)
From outside the car drag racing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm_tz7nnxfY)
Early 2000 series SR20 FWD synchromesh engagment straight cut gear set in stripped out race car (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQI8diUAoZg)

Nissan SR20 FWD dog engagement straight cut gear set.
Inside the car - driving techniques (including clutchless shifting) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKoVykuzVQ4)

Honda B-Series dog engagement straight cut gear set.
Anthony Dinallo - EG Civic 2007 IDRC Sport compact Finals (0.207, 9.836, 154.65) (http://www.dragracingtv.com/blog/2007/honda-drag-racing-at-the-idrc-sport-compact-finals-2007/)
Polish FWD Record holder 2007 - runway drag strip (untreated) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upRNMRTpUtw)

I'll ask the obvious question here, but what's the (rough) associated cost on custom ratios? I want custom ratios for 1, 2 and 5. 1 needs to be taller, 2 taller by a hair, and 5 I want to be a granny gear.

On a note to PAR, you should really mass produce and (please) stock a few sets at a time. The Protege community has been waiting a LONG time for an "end all" transmission solution, and it would be beneficial to stock a few sets, as the orders will come pouring in quickly.

Custom ratios are a no-cost option.

We have had these gear sets available since 2005 with the latest revision gear sets in production for the last 24 months and they're a normally stocked item off the shelf. We currently have 50 sets of 3rd/4th synchromesh sets in production in addition to what we have in stock. We're doing performing a stock check later today, after which I'll post up our current stock situation.

I need a 3rd and 4th for my car. Are they billet? How much horsepower can they handle? I will be driving my car daily and dont know which gears to get helical, or straight? Is it neccesary to get the needle bearing conversion for those? what will be the cost shipped to 68152??

All of our products are made from the highest quality billet stock. The needle bearing conversion is an option, we make and stock both std and needle roller versions of all gears.

Shipping to the USA by Postal Courier service is around $120 AUD and around $94 AUD by Air Mail.

You know what? Even if the gears stay the same and we drop the final drive (would require eplacing output shaft as well) we could do this...

We have a number of final drive ratios which will allow you to move all of the ratios around. In addition to this, we can also manufacture a custom final drive ratio set if required.

[Kooldino]

How about we comprimise some:
1 - 2.8 (41mph@6500)
2 - 1.8 (64mph@6500) I think your 2nd was to tall, RPM drop put us below our TQ curve.

That's way too short. I'm even considering going for a longer second gear than I previously listed. Second gear is a complete joke in my car. A 1.8 second gear is barely any different than stock, and will still be useless to me.

3 - 1.26 (92mph@6500)
4 - 0.97 (119mph@6500)
5 - 0.69 (168mph@6500) I'm running a 0.72 now and love it. A tad lower RPM would be even better.

I like the punch my car still has in 5th gear. The only way that I'd want a taller-than-stock 5th gear is if I lengthened out 4 as well.

I agree on taking power from the low gears, 1st is useless, 2nd is ok up to 6lbs on my car (about 225HP @ wheels), 3rd will hold about 8-9lbs and 4th I go all the way to 13 (my Max boost). AVC-R works very well (lol2)

Note that with the longer gears, you'll build more boost in the lower gears than you would with stock length gears.

[Kooldino]

You know what? Even if the gears stay the same and we drop the final drive (would require eplacing output shaft as well) we could do this...

This is true.

[FuLcRuM]

That's way too short. I'm even considering going for a longer second gear than I previously listed. Second gear is a complete joke in my car. A 1.8 second gear is barely any different than stock, and will still be useless to me.

How far up can we take 1st before it starts to lagg to much? 2.5, 2.2? I have no idea. My main problem with going to a taller 2nd is the RPM drop, even the stock setup drops to far. That's why I want to bring 1st up but not move 2nd much. Our redline is 7k in the probe and even shifting there 2nd picks up around 3500, most turbos aren't fully spooled by then.


I like the punch my car still has in 5th gear. The only way that I'd want a taller-than-stock 5th gear is if I lengthened out 4 as well.

Do you guy's normally boost in 5th? It's considered a huge NO NO to boost Probes/Escorts in 5th as they blow even easier then 3rd. Sometimes I'll slowly build a couple pounds if I don't feel like shifting but never shift hard into 5th while accelerating.

Note that with the longer gears, you'll build more boost in the lower gears than you would with stock length gears.
I can build 13 pounds in 2nd now, I use my AVC-R to keep the boost down so I can maintain traction. I do have a smaller turbo though, most Probes use slightly to massivly larger then what I have.

What boost levels do you guy's typically run?

[LinuxRacr]

I've been boosting in 5th gear since 2002, and have never blown 5th. Hell, I rarely down shift on the highway to pass it is so good. I have killed 2nd and 4th gear before, but never 5th.

[nvmsp]

Ok so let me ask this. I can live with that noise while shiftin it's really not a big deal.

What would need to be modified to run all 1st - 4th straight cut gears?

[shane02pro5]

The pricing has been posted previously by shane02pro5. To confirm, the pricing is as follows.

1st~4th synchromesh engagement gear set - $3,420 AUD (special for January)
Includes input shaft, and 1st~4th gears. Double synchronizer 3rd gear & or 4th gear is a no cost option. (4th gear double synchro version is Nil stock)

Optional crown wheel and pinion shaft - $1,210 AUD (special price for January)

Gear set + crown wheel and pinion shaft - $4,230 AUD (special price for January)

3rd/4th synchromesh engagement gears - $1,530 AUD (special price for January)

3rd synchromesh engagement gears - $850 AUD
Double synchromesh & or needle roller versions are a no cost option.

4th synchromesh engagement gears - $850 AUD
Double synchromesh & or needle roller versions are a no cost option.[/QUOTE]

[boostdprotegelx]

According to the Protege FAQ, or stock ratios are:

1st gear
3.307:1
3.454:1
2nd gear
1.842:1
1.833:1
3rd gear
1.310:1
1.310:1
4th gear
0.970:1
0.914:1
5th gear
0.755:1
0.680:1
Final Drive
4.105:1
3.409:1
Reverse
3.166:1
3.454:1
For a high powered STREET car, I'd personally recommend something in the ballpark of:

1-2.8 (41 MPH @ 6500RPM)
2-1.55 (75 MPH @ 6500RPM)
3-1.26 (92 MPH @ 6500RPM)
4-.97 (120 MPH @ 6500RPM)
5-.755 (154 MPH @ 6500RPM)

My calculations assume that you're running a 215/45/17.

Basically, decently longer gears on the low end to help with traction, and marginally longer gears on the top end to help the range of the gearbox. I know my ratios might look odd to some, but for a 300+hp FWD Protege, you really need 1 and 2 to be as long as possible. With that amount of power, you don't have a chance in hell to get traction with a stock gear ratio, and you're going to be spinning tires until 3rd gear. Why not take some mechanical advantage away and trade wheel spin for acceleration?

PS - Here's a nice ratio calculator:
http://www.f-body.org/gears/

i want your calcs for my gears...straight cut 1-4.. and w/e.. i think i can find a way to pull 3500.00....

but..what about time from payment till delivery?

[shane02pro5]

It will be a little less in US its around $3100US

[FuLcRuM]

Guy's Here is the info I got from Gerard the last time I inquired,


For orders of 10+, we can offer you the following pricing.

1st~4th billet gearset (10+) - $2,700aud
Crownwheel and pinion (10+) - $780aud



If we can all agree on a gearset and get 10 of us, we should be able to get the 1-4 set for less then $2500. I think that is doable

I sent PM's to all 11 people from Probetalk that were interested in these sets to come check out this thread.

[boostdprotegelx]

gearset i'll agree on.... using danas' calculations and i want straight cut 1-4

[tomt64]

Im from ProbeTalk also and I am definitely interested in 1-4th gearset.
Is there an extra cost for helical gears?
Would anyone know if they would be weaker than a straight cut gear?
Could someone tell me in a nutshell a single compared to double syncromesh gear?

Sorry for the noob questions... our weakest gear is 5th, so I would honestly love to be able to go at a higher speed at the end of 4th gear [120mph+] but still be able to cruise in 5th gear at 65-70mph if possible.

[FuLcRuM]

Im from ProbeTalk also and I am definitely interested in 1-4th gearset.
Is there an extra cost for helical gears?
Would anyone know if they would be weaker than a straight cut gear?
Could someone tell me in a nutshell a single compared to double syncromesh gear?

Sorry for the noob questions... our weakest gear is 5th, so I would honestly love to be able to go at a higher speed at the end of 4th gear [120mph+] but still be able to cruise in 5th gear at 65-70mph if possible.

If you go back a couple pages Gerard posted some links of cars with the PAR gears. Honestly the strait cut's are not that bad. Apparently they have done a great deal of work on the tooth profiles.

The cost is the same for strait or helical, also the same for custom ratio's and the dual syncro's.

Helical gears are actually stronger then strait cut, the problem is that the helical gears create a side load (trying to push the shaft out the side of the case), so even with stonger gears if you put enough power down you'll punch the shafts out the side of the case. I've seen pictures of exactly this from the Ausi guy's. Also Gerard mentioned that there helical gears do create some noise, not as much as the straits but more then a factory set. (dunno)

Aparently the Protoge guy's don't have problems with 5th. I wonder if it may have something to do with their shorter input and output shafts (they don't have that last little set of gears we have). In any case they don't break, and offer .75 or .68 fifth, so I think we could get a 1-4 PAR gearset then get ahold of a Protoge .68 fifth for a nice low cruise like we all want. (thumb)

[boostdprotegelx]

yeah i'm feeling along w/ danas calcs.. the whole dual synchros i love. so i want 1-4 straight cuts, dual synchros and danas calcs.. i'll be happy..

[FuLcRuM]

Ok, how about these ratios?

1st - 2.8 (43mph @6800)
2nd - 1.65 (73mph)
3rd - 1.26 (96mph)
4th - .96 (126mph)

Again these are using a 4.11 final and 215/45/17 tires. Probes would be a few MPH faster since we run a 225/45/17.

Using these ratio’s if you shift from 1st to 2nd @ 4000RPM you hit 2nd @ 2357RPM if shifting @ 6800 you hit 2nd @ 4007RPM.
This should pickup just before peak TQ in 2nd, and still allows you to hit almost 75mph in 2nd gear.
There is no point in even worrying about 5th since it’s not included, the Protégé guys can use their stock .75 5th and us Probe owners can use either the 2.0L .72 or the Protégé .68. Just an FYI the Probe GT stock 5th is .795.

[boostdprotegelx]

i think that would probably work pretty well.. a longer 5th would be cool for long drive...lower rpm

Ok, how about these ratios?

1st - 2.8 (43mph @6800)
2nd - 1.65 (73mph)
3rd - 1.26 (96mph)
4th - .96 (126mph)

Again these are using a 4.11 final and 215/45/17 tires. Probes would be a few MPH faster since we run a 225/45/17.

Using these ratio’s if you shift from 1st to 2nd @ 4000RPM you hit 2nd @ 2357RPM if shifting @ 6800 you hit 2nd @ 4007RPM.
This should pickup just before peak TQ in 2nd, and still allows you to hit almost 75mph in 2nd gear.
There is no point in even worrying about 5th since it’s not included, the Protégé guys can use their stock .75 5th and us Probe owners can use either the 2.0L .72 or the Protégé .68. Just an FYI the Probe GT stock 5th is .795.

[turbo5dave]

hey im also for pt and if we could do around 2500 im in but has to be able to work with the quaife diff i already have. May take a little bit longer the jan to come up with money due to baby being due end of month.

[03.5MSP]

i think that would probably work pretty well.. a longer 5th would be cool for long drive...lower rpm


Yeah a longer 5th would be nice. Every time I take a longer drive I always wish 5th was a little longer.

[mardarati]

how much power can this set up handle?
The full set

[shane02pro5]

Anything more on getting a group buy going? I'm stuck waiting to get my taxes done like most others with kids until Feb 11th. I'm leaning toward 1-4 at the mentioned ratio that they have in stock! 6-8 weeks isn't going to cut it for me so I need something off the shelf!

I think the power rating was mentioned around 500whp!

[FuLcRuM]

If you can't wait you should just go ahead and order the regular set and get the January Discount.

I really would like to see a Bulk Buy happen but no one has stepped up yet to start it. I suppose I could do it buy being a newbie on this board I figured youd rather have someone you know, plus I'm not familiar with your BB rules/proceedurs. (dunno)

A bulk buy will probably take a good 3-4 months since we would need to allow some time for everyone to get the money and PAR to actually make and ship the parts.

[shane02pro5]

My big problem is I have to finish paying off my motor before it can ship to me and income tax is on hold until Feb 11!

[low_psi]

Someone might want to call TriPoint or Tindol and see if they used the PAR gearsets. I know Tripoint used EMCO and still destroyed transmissions, they may have tried PAR aswell before switching to the Xtrac box. Just a thought before everyone drops coin on parts that may not be the "end all" solution.

[Focus]

Someone might want to call TriPoint or Tindol and see if they used the PAR gearsets. I know Tripoint used EMCO and still destroyed transmissions, they may have tried PAR aswell before switching to the Xtrac box. Just a thought before everyone drops coin on parts that may not be the "end all" solution.

Well according to this thread:

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123655717&highlight=PAR

The sold them and didn't break them !!!

[boostdprotegelx]

SPEEDCIRCUIT- set up the group buy.

[CantCMe]

Wow...so what's the best solution for guys with added power? How much would it cost for someone to build a strong tranny for our cars?

[shane02pro5]

$1000 a set, man that would be real nice!!! But 1st gear is the only one that had a good ratio on the sets they were using and it was over a year ago!

Well according to this thread:

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123655717&highlight=PAR

The sold them and didn't break them !!!

[mardarati]

I'm going to order 3-4 for the jan discount now, but i'm looking to build a solid tranny in the next few month's or so i'm in for the bulkbuy 1-4 just keep me posted(cool)

[Jarod7920]

Hey i am a memeber of probe talk and as Krish has stated few of them will spend money on quality parts. I am in on the gears but i think some agreement needs to be made on the ratios. The ration calculator you are using does not seem to be correc though, because if you put in stock probe ratios the speeds dont add up to what the car actually hits at 7k. I just dont want to have to shift into fifth gear in the quarter and need something longer for all gears. 40mph would be nice in first gear!

[low_psi]

Well according to this thread:

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123655717&highlight=PAR

The sold them and didn't break them !!!

Ah yes, I was thinking those were EMCO gearsets that Jeff had posted up. Still, he never said they won't break. Was this something they told you personally? I don't think they even used the G-series transmission in the 6's for a whole season before switching to the Xtrac. It wouldn't hurt for someone to call and talk to these teams before buying the PAR parts.

The club racing teams I've talked to still have not found a gearset that will last and they are in the 230-270whp range. The PAR set has been around for awhile, so it would surprise me if they don't know about/test it. I don't know why everyone is jumping on these all the sudden....

[Focus]

Ah yes, I was thinking those were EMCO gearsets that Jeff had posted up. Still, he never said they won't break. Was this something they told you personally? I don't think they even used the G-series transmission in the 6's for a whole season before switching to the Xtrac. It wouldn't hurt for someone to call and talk to these teams before buying the PAR parts.

The club racing teams I've talked to still have not found a gearset that will last and they are in the 230-270whp range. The PAR set has been around for awhile, so it would surprise me if they don't know about/test it.

Problem is not wih the teams, but more along mazdamotorsports lines. They only carried the emco, which are just replacement gears and do not address the gearbox problems...

But yes, someone PM jeff, his input would be welcome.

[FuLcRuM]

I am in on the gears but i think some agreement needs to be made on the ratios. The ration calculator you are using does not seem to be correc though, because if you put in stock probe ratios the speeds dont add up to what the car actually hits at 7k. I just dont want to have to shift into fifth gear in the quarter and need something longer for all gears. 40mph would be nice in first gear!

you are talking about http://www.f-body.org/gears/ right?

It seems pretty accurate to me, using the stock ratio's I get 90mph in 3rd. That seems right to me (although it's been awhile since I've had stock ratio's). I remember when Id run the 1/4 I could hold it in 3rd just past redline and trap about 91mph.

They have slightly smaller tires on the Protege and a 4.11 final so I have been basing the speeds off thier numbers, just so we are all talking about the same thing.

Do you not like that last set of raio's I posted?

1 - 2.8
2 - 1.65
3 - 1.26
4 - 0.962
(yupnope)

[FuLcRuM]

But yes, someone PM jeff, his input would be welcome.

I just saw this from Jeff posted in his sale thread of the PAR gears.


Originally Posted by FrankenProbe
Hi Jeff,

does PAR still take orders or make gears for the g-series box? I almost dare not mention the 'd' word, but I need some straight cut gears for a drag race box (~500 ft-lb).

To be honest, I don't think this would work out for you. These PAR gear sets lasted longer than stock but because of the vibration, they eventually would break. Our motors would rev up towards high 7k - low 8k rpm range.


Sounds like we may still have problems if were pushing high HP. (dunno)

[low_psi]

Problem is not wih the teams, but more along mazdamotorsports lines. They only carried the emco, which are just replacement gears and do not address the gearbox problems...

TriPoint also used the PARs though, per Jeff's FS thread. I'm not trying to argue with you I just think people are jumping onto the PAR bandwagon without understanding everything. You have more experience than I with these gearboxes, no question.

It seems some people are forgetting your post on the root issues of gear failures. People who expect a helical gear w/ an OEM bearing design to last are leaving themselves open to failure according to your analysis.

[Focus]

TriPoint also used the PARs though, per Jeff's FS thread. I'm not trying to argue with you I just think people are jumping onto the PAR bandwagon without understanding everything. You have more experience than I with these gearboxes, no question.

It seems some people are forgetting your post on the root issues of gear failures. People who expect a helical gear w/ an OEM bearing design to last are leaving themselves open to failure according to your analysis.

I agree with you. Hence why PAR made the changes to the casing as well. The offer cups to insert on the casing to adreess the problem of side thrusts.

If you are using the OEM bearing design, you need to look at straight cut, that will eliminate a lot of the side load.

[Kooldino]

SPEEDCIRCUIT- set up the group buy.

I'm trying...they're not the fastest with replying to my emails.

[boostdprotegelx]

I'm trying...they're not the fastest with replying to my emails.

yeah man. i know. lol. well.. when you get all pricing and w/e..you know what i want. just holla. i'm saving for that..instead of our previous idea.

[gmc]

As an update, here is a listing of both the 3rd/4th gear variants that we carry and current stock levels:

8 x LASSS-3-124 (Synchromesh/Straight Cut/3rd Gear/1.24:1/Single Synchro/Std Bearing)
7 x LASSS-3-124-N (Synchromesh/Straight Cut/3rd Gear/1.24:1/Single Synchro/Needle Roller Bearing)
0 x LASSS-3-124-D (Synchromesh/Straight Cut/3rd Gear/1.24:1/Double Synchro/Std Bearing) ***
6 x LASSS-3-124-DN (Synchromesh/Straight Cut/3rd Gear/1.24:1/Double Synchro/Needle Roller Bearing)

0 x LASSS-4-090 (Synchromesh/Straight Cut/4th Gear/0.90:1/Single Synchro/Std Bearing) ***
4 x LASSS-4-090-N (Synchromesh/Straight Cut/4th Gear/0.90:1/Single Synchro/Needle Roller Bearing)
0 x LASSS-4-090-D (Synchromesh/Straight Cut/4th Gear/0.90:1/Double Synchro/Std Bearing) ***
0 x LASSS-4-090-DN (Synchromesh/Straight Cut/4th Gear/0.90:1/Double Synchro/Needle Roller Bearing) ***

*** All items with zero stock will be available within a 2 week period. Moving on from now, all stock for all models of all products will be replenished within a 2 week period.

We're also extending our standard gear breakage product warranty out to 12 months for all products sold from 2008 onwards from the previous 6 months, so customers can have total peace of mind. The only stipulations is professional installation and a good quality 100% synthetic GL-5, preferably GL-6 gear oil (synchro compatible for synchromesh products). Our only recommendation is NEO Synthetic 75w90HD or 75w90RHD gear oil which is made in the USA. Gear oil change intervals should be 10,000~15,000miles or every 12 months. Of course failure related to abusive and abnormal shifting (eg. flatshifting and gear synchro grinding) which may cause other parts of the transmission to fail, affect our products is not covered.

I've attached a picture of the reinforcement kit fitted to a G-Series housing.

[FuLcRuM]

Gerard,

Just to clairify, if we do NOT get the reinforcement kit then there is NO machining neccissary on the housing to fit your gear set. Correct?

Getting the strait cut gears should reduce streses on the case enough where we shouldn't need the reinforcment kit, but it would still be good insurace. Correct?

Thanks for anwsering all our questions. :D

[Maxx Mazda]

Gerard,

Just to clairify, if we do NOT get the reinforcement kit then there is NO machining neccissary on the housing to fit your gear set. Correct?

Getting the strait cut gears should reduce streses on the case enough where we shouldn't need the reinforcment kit, but it would still be good insurace. Correct?

Thanks for anwsering all our questions. :D

That's what I gathered from what he said before...

[mardarati]

after years of tranny's PAR(bow) best option so far

[gmc]

Gerard,

Just to clairify, if we do NOT get the reinforcement kit then there is NO machining neccissary on the housing to fit your gear set. Correct?

Getting the strait cut gears should reduce streses on the case enough where we shouldn't need the reinforcment kit, but it would still be good insurace. Correct?

Thanks for anwsering all our questions. :D


Yes, that is correct.

[Kooldino]

I have 3 sets of 3rd and 4th gears on order with PAR. One of them is for my own car, so that leaves two sets remaining. Once they ship (in a couple of weeks) I'll put them on the website.

[Maxx Mazda]

I have 3 sets of 3rd and 4th gears on order with PAR. One of them is for my own car, so that leaves two sets remaining. Once they ship (in a couple of weeks) I'll put them on the website.

Fuck. I wanted the whole shebang...

[boostdprotegelx]

Fuck. I wanted the whole shebang...

really?? that's what i'm getting. youll need a quaife, and some other shit... yay...6k

[Maxx Mazda]

really?? that's what i'm getting. youll need a quaife, and some other shit... yay...6k

When you're as far as we are, what's another 6K? :D

[boostdprotegelx]

When you're as far as we are, what's another 6K? :D



another 6 k..rofl. but it's worth it.

[shane02pro5]

Guys read back to post 79 where Gerard replied to my question on the 1-4 set. The pinion gear is cut into the output (pinion) shaft that meshes with the ring gear (crown wheel) on the differential which has the larger tooth profile. If you do this upgrade it would require at least an un-welded msp lsd or quaife. If you are light on funds right now like me from what I'm understanding if it's being offered as an upgrade the 1-4 set will swap right in using our input and output (pinion) shafts. This is what I'm planning with needle bearings and double synchros on 3rd & 4th. Then when money permits I will do the quaife and pinion crown wheel upgrade.

[gmc]

The 1st~4th gear set is supplied with input shaft, 3rd~4th gears (1st~2nd is cut into the input shaft like the factory shafts) and 1st~4th pinion gears.

This set can be fitted with or without the crown wheel and pinion option.

The factory crown wheel rivets have to be drilled/pressed out and the new crown wheel attached with suitable bolts.

[shane02pro5]

That should clear things up!

[Jarod7920]

you are talking about http://www.f-body.org/gears/ right?

It seems pretty accurate to me, using the stock ratio's I get 90mph in 3rd. That seems right to me (although it's been awhile since I've had stock ratio's). I remember when Id run the 1/4 I could hold it in 3rd just past redline and trap about 91mph.

They have slightly smaller tires on the Protege and a 4.11 final so I have been basing the speeds off thier numbers, just so we are all talking about the same thing.

Do you not like that last set of raio's I posted?

1 - 2.8
2 - 1.65
3 - 1.26
4 - 0.962
(yupnope)


Ya i like those ratios, i mean i plan to rev the car out to 7500 at least maybe just shy of 8k so those would work well for me. I just dont really want to have to shift into 5th gear any more.

[shane02pro5]

Gerard

What ratios do you have in stock on 1st & 2nd I didn't see them listed anywhere?

Also I am still waiting for my damn taxes. The IRS has things on lockdown for some until Feb 11th and I will be ordering a full 1-4 set the next day after filing when I get my check.

Is there any chance to extend out the sale to get the good pricing! After getting you're info from Focus I have been throwing the PAR name everywhere I can to hopefully get some more interest going. I would love to get into a group buy to get an even better price after just spending $5500 on my motor but I can't afford to wait that long with no 3rd gear and bad 2nd gear synchro!

[03.5MSP]

I have 3 sets of 3rd and 4th gears on order with PAR. One of them is for my own car, so that leaves two sets remaining. Once they ship (in a couple of weeks) I'll put them on the website.

Hey Dana did you order the stock gear ratios or the ratio u calculated?? Just curious.

[shane02pro5]

Finally got my taxes done and pick up my check tomorrow!

Ordering 1-4 set Monday or Tuesday when it clears the bank WOOHOO!

Waiting to hear back from Gerard on what ratio they have for 1st & 2nd in stock.

[spoolintruck]

Please let me know how it all works out? I would rather pay more for some piece of mind after some of these are bought and installed! I ant to fix my car, but if parts are still going to break i am going to get rid of it!

[shane02pro5]

I'm about to order but can someone tell me what these ratios will translate to at 6500rpm's

3.11:1@6500=_____mph
1.83:1@6500=_____mph
1.24:1@6500=_____mph
0.90:1@6500=_____mph

or give me the formula and I will calculate it!

Thanks

[Focus]

I'm about to order but can someone tell me what these ratios will translate to at 6500rpm's

3.11:1@6500=_____mph
1.83:1@6500=_____mph
1.24:1@6500=_____mph
0.90:1@6500=_____mph

or give me the formula and I will calculate it!

Thanks
http://www.f-body.org/gears/

[MakeMeGoFast]

Stronger gears would be in order for a high RPM application, no?

[shane02pro5]

I don't know what kind of senior engineer I consider myself by asking this question but what would be my axle ratio?? Are we the same as listed by Fulcrum 4.11?

[shane02pro5]

Looks right I think using the 4.11 and 215/35/18 tires
36
62
91
125

[Kooldino]

Hey Dana did you order the stock gear ratios or the ratio u calculated?? Just curious.

Stock ratios for 3 and 4.

[Kooldino]

Stronger gears would be in order for a high RPM application, no?

Well, torque would be the biggest factor, but yeah...if I was going to spin a motor fast and hot, I'd consider some better gears to go with it.

[loyal2thegame]

i am lookin for on of these for a long time.
Par engineering, you make something for about 700HP ?

[shane02pro5]

Payment made my PAR 1-4 Set should be here in about a week!
(band)

[FuLcRuM]

So is anything happening with a Bulk Buy? I also want these but money is tight. :(

[loyal2thegame]

If there is a Bulk Buy for all 4 Gears count me in.( as Long as they can hold on to 600-700 Ponys )

[gmc]

i am lookin for on of these for a long time.
Par engineering, you make something for about 700HP ?

700hp ATW will require a dog engagement gear set if used for drag racing. The synchromesh engagement will be ok for street use if your gear changing style is very smooth. ie. clutch out before power is introduced. Flat/Speed shifting can push some serious shock load through the gears resulting in a much shortened lifespan.

[Signature Sound]

i am lookin for on of these for a long time.
Par engineering, you make something for about 700HP ?

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU RUNNING???

[loyal2thegame]

700hp ATW will require a dog engagement gear set if used for drag racing. The synchromesh engagement will be ok for street use if your gear changing style is very smooth. ie. clutch out before power is introduced. Flat/Speed shifting can push some serious shock load through the gears resulting in a much shortened lifespan.

I still want to be able to cruise with the car once in a while.
i want the car to go home runnin. not on a trailer.
so Synchromesh.

[loyal2thegame]

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU RUNNING???

KL + NOS + GT37R

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

KL + NOS + GT37R

do you have a web-site or a thread where we can see your build ? your current setup sounds impressive, is these for a track drag racing, or is your daily driven one ? street use ? what kind of car we are talking about here ?

[loyal2thegame]

Street use.
MX6.
I don't have a site on the New build. but here you can see the old one.
with the T3/T4.
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2137643

[mardarati]

Well i hope that you get those tranny gears with that set up.(lol2)

[Signature Sound]

KL + NOS + GT37R

REALLY? What else... cuz that dont appear to be 700 ponies to me. BOV, piping size, shared intake runners... too many things say about half that. How bout a dyno video??

[boostdprotegelx]

gawd i can't wait for my gears!

[shane02pro5]

My gearset is here! Man was that fast but I also had to have PAR order the Double synchro assemblies from Japan so that will be a few more days. Still have a few more things to get ordered that may have to wait until pay day!

I'll pick up my camera at lunch and post pics. I'm getting too anxious!!!!

[FuLcRuM]

REALLY? What else... cuz that dont appear to be 700 ponies to me. BOV, piping size, shared intake runners... too many things say about half that. How bout a dyno video??

The most I've ever seen from a KL is about 500HP. There was a Dyno sheet on that one. There have also been a couple in the 400+ area, but not many.

Never heard of anyone over 600 before. Unless you count that Australian Race car with the twin turbo's, complete rebuild and custom IM, It was over 800HP. It's now in another car with over 1000HP.

[shane02pro5]

Here's a pic with some of my old 02 tranny parts for comparison.

[Maxx Mazda]

Looks sweet man! Did you go with the double synchros or not? I only see one in the picture lol

[shane02pro5]

Double synchros on 1,2 &3 since they didn't have any 4th in stock so I just did single there and all have needle bearings. Gerard had to order the synchros for me from Japan since when I looked them up through Montgomery Mazda online they crossed over to our OEM synchros as a replacement.

FYI 3 double synchros came out to $340US with the $3240 PAR set along with my bank charged $99 for a currency exchange fee?? So came out to more like $3700 plus I'm waiting for quotes on new bearings and seals and 3/4 shift fork!

[Focus]

Double synchros on 1,2 &3 since they didn't have any 4th in stock so I just did single there and all have needle bearings. Gerard had to order the synchros for me from Japan since when I looked them up through Montgomery Mazda online they crossed over to our OEM synchros as a replacement.

FYI 3 double synchros came out to $340US with the $3240 PAR set along with my bank charged $99 for a currency exchange fee?? So came out to more like $3700 plus I'm waiting for quotes on new bearings and seals and 3/4 shift fork!

Adds up quick , huh ? Make sure you get a professional transmission shop to put it all together.

[shane02pro5]

I'll be doing this myself and although I don't have all the tranny terminology down I am the Sr. Design & Manufacturing Engineer and part of the day Machinist for a Mold tool and Die shop. I have everything I need and will be much more careful and precise than any of the monkeys I could have do it.

[Focus]

I'll be doing this myself and although I don't have all the tranny terminology down I am the Sr. Design & Manufacturing Engineer and part of the day Machinist for a Mold tool and Die shop. I have everything I need and will be much more careful and precise than any of the monkeys I could have do it.

In that case, build yourself the tools you need to measure the tolerances as per this guide:

http://www.mazdaspd.com/resources/Transmission_Rebuild.pdf

I really urge you to triple check the tolerances, as not enough tolerance or too much will lead to destruction of the gearset...


BTW, if you do decide to build the tools for this, make two sets becuase I defiantely would buy a set from you !!!!

[shane02pro5]

It looks like the only thing I'll need to actually make is the adapters to torque the input and output shaft for bearing pre-load for shims! Dial indicator and a lathe and feeler guages.

[Kooldino]

So is anything happening with a Bulk Buy? I also want these but money is tight. :(

I'll have 3 sets of 3rd and 4th gears soon enough.

[Kooldino]

Here's a pic with some of my old 02 tranny parts for comparison.

Lookin good!

[Focus]

It looks like the only thing I'll need to actually make is the adapters to torque the input and output shaft for bearing pre-load for shims!

Exactly the set I am looking to get. Mazda wants $500, outrageous...

[shane02pro5]

It looks pretty easy! I'm thinking of using my old tranny 5th gear and tack welding a deepwell socket to it. Bam done! Both shafts have the same spline!

[nvmsp]

Thats alot of damn money. Hope these gears work out for everyone. Damn. $4,000 almost, not installed... ouch.

[Focus]

It looks pretty easy! I'm thinking of using my old tranny 5th gear and tack welding a deepwell socket to it. Bam done! Both shafts have the same spline!

I was talking more about the spacers to bring the diff up from the bottom casing to measure the shims needed, and the spacers that seperate the upper and bottom casing...

[boostdprotegelx]

lol at 4k...

for my trans build i am getting 1-4 straight cut, 5 helical- longer gear ratios based on danas calculations, double synchros, quaife differential. ROFL @ 6k plus.

[loyal2thegame]

REALLY? What else... cuz that dont appear to be 700 ponies to me. BOV, piping size, shared intake runners... too many things say about half that. How bout a dyno video??

I never said i was makin 700 HP.
i need the tranny to gonna try and reach that amount.
that will be my goal.

this thread is made for the 3rd gear that is broken.
don't mind if you guys stick 2 that.

thanks

[Hambino]

Weird, Dana your car isn't even fast or anything.

[03.5MSP]

Weird, Dana your car isn't even fast or anything.

I know, he made up all those numbers. Ha ha, you know im kidding Dana. Imagine what his car would be like if he was running his stage 2 head. ZOOM-ZOOM

[mardarati]

shane what gear ratio's did you get?

[shane02pro5]

This is what they had in stock

QUOTE=shane02pro5;3634903]I'm about to order but can someone tell me what these ratios will translate to at 6500rpm's

3.11:1@6500=36mph
1.83:1@6500=62mph
1.24:1@6500=91mph
0.90:1@6500=125 mph

or give me the formula and I will calculate it!

Thanks[/QUOTE]

[Kooldino]

I know, he made up all those numbers. Ha ha, you know im kidding Dana. Imagine what his car would be like if he was running his stage 2 head. ZOOM-ZOOM

Haha, I'm planning on it.

I'll probably eventually pull my current engine and sell it, and build myself a new supertrick engine. :)

[boostdprotegelx]

Haha, I'm planning on it.

I'll probably eventually pull my current engine and sell it, and build myself a new supertrick engine. :)

dude..you can't even build...(lick)

[shane02pro5]

^Please don't say that!!

[boostdprotegelx]

^Please don't say that!!

that just happened...

but seriously..he built my car basically. and i going to be building another for me!

HE"S BUILDING MY TRANS!!!!!(godown)

[shane02pro5]

This may be helpful to him if he doesn't already have it. This was posted by Focus yesterday but just incase he didn't see it!

http://www.mazdaspd.com/resources/Transmission_Rebuild.pdf

[Kooldino]

^I've had that for awhile. Good looking out though.

[Maxx Mazda]

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123697064

[Kooldino]

PAR gears have finally arrived!

[2.0t03speed]

post pictures bish!!

[B1GHAM]

so... whens the install then dana?

this something you going to be doing over time or looking to slap together asap? I definately wanna make it up in the next 2-3 weeks so lmk whats up.

[Kooldino]

The gearshafts are assembled at this point, hoping to install the trans over the weekend.

[Kooldino]

PAR gears FTW...

I have 3rd and 4th straight cut in my car, stock ratios.

I have the following available

3rd:

Straight cut
Stock ratio
Needle roller bearing
stock synchro setup

Straight cut
Stock ratio
Needle roller bearing
double synchro setup (synchros are an additional $120)


4th:

Straight cut
Stock ratio
Needle roller bearing
stock synchro setup

Straight cut
Stock ratio
Needle roller bearing
double synchro setup (synchros are an additional $120)

[boostdprotegelx]

bump for joooo

[Focus]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v387/jonathanwong/thumb_thisthreadisworthlesswithoutp.gif

[2.0t03speed]

PAR gears FTW...

I have 3rd and 4th straight cut in my car, stock ratios.

I have the following available

3rd:

Straight cut
Stock ratio
Needle roller bearing
stock synchro setup

Straight cut
Stock ratio
Needle roller bearing
double synchro setup (synchros are an additional $120)


4th:

Straight cut
Stock ratio
Needle roller bearing
stock synchro setup

Straight cut
Stock ratio
Needle roller bearing
double synchro setup (synchros are an additional $120)

whats the prices going to be for each of them?

[Maxx Mazda]

So, now that they're in the car (I assume you've put some miles on them) how's the noise from the straight cutness?

[shane02pro5]

To me it's not nearly as loud as I expected. When you romp down on it they scream a bit like a supercharger maybe half as loud as romping on it in reverse. 1st gear is definately the loudest. People look at me like HOLYWHATTHE!

[Kooldino]

So, now that they're in the car (I assume you've put some miles on them) how's the noise from the straight cutness?

Oh, you can definitely hear them. 3rd is louder than 4th.

[Kooldino]

whats the prices going to be for each of them?

I'll have that sorted out soon enough.

[2.0t03speed]

let me know

[Kooldino]

In car crappy cell phone clip of 3rd and 4th.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EpvS3c4EvI

[Focus]

So it's not too loud...

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

Wow for me it's too loud. you can tell they are Straight cut gears !!

[Kooldino]

BTW, PAR highly recommends this (http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123701686)gear oil, and will give you a 1 year warranty on your gears if you use it.

I really like it, so I became a dealer for it.

[LinuxRacr]

It would only be loud if you had to stay in those gears for a long length of time...

[shane02pro5]

Cruising I can barely hear them in any gear.

[Kooldino]

It would only be loud if you had to stay in those gears for a long length of time...

True.

[Kooldino]

Cruising I can barely hear them in any gear.

How does the whine on yours compare to the whine on mine?

[shane02pro5]

I'd say the same at WOT but cruising (maintaining one speed) I don't hear them over my exhaust.

[Kooldino]

Interesting.

[shane02pro5]

I'll get some new batteries for my screwed up camera and do an in-car soundclip. new batteries are good for about one picture or one clip. I was going to post this a long time ago when I first got her running but you can't hear shit!

[shane02pro5]

Maybe I just got used to it. On my way home I noticed they were definitely louder than the exhaust but not too annoying and much more quiet than a supercharger.

[2.0t03speed]

dino how much did you pay for 3rd and 4th?

[Kooldino]

I'll get some new batteries for my screwed up camera and do an in-car soundclip. new batteries are good for about one picture or one clip.

Spend the extra money on the lithium batteries that are made for digital cameras. They will last FAR longer.

I was going to post this a long time ago when I first got her running but you can't hear shit!


yeah, i just hear exhaust.

[shane02pro5]

Had to reduce the video quality or the file was too big, but here's one hittin it a little hard and one goin easy.
(rockon)

[Jaysanooch]

Had to reduce the video quality or the file was too big, but here's one hittin it a little hard and one goin easy.
(rockon)

What tranny oil are you using?

[Kooldino]

I think he's running the NEO oil that I sell:

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123701686

[shane02pro5]

Yes Neo!

[Kooldino]

Yes Neo!

What do you think of it?

I'm happy with it so far. Gonna try the motor oil next.

[shane02pro5]

I do like it! It feels smooth as butter! How much will you be selling the motor oil for and will it be 10w30 or what?

[Kooldino]

It will be competitively priced.

I'll probably sell 10 40 and 5 30

[Kooldino]

dino how much did you pay for 3rd and 4th?

Pricing is $865 per gear pair shipped within the continental us.

[Kooldino]

Anyone interested?

[Jaysanooch]

Timing couldn't be worst for me Dino...maybe July or August, those are good month$ for me. I hope you sell them fast and you should but if you still have a set by then...like I told you before, I'm down.

[mardarati]

what is the difference between single and a double snychro ?Info will be greatly appriciated thank you

[Kooldino]

The double synchro is designed for better, faster shifts.

[MakeMeGoFast]

Anyone interested?


Can I put a set on layaway

[mardarati]

Gerard metioned that might have some in stock?Double snychros i was looking tru your web site did not see them

[Kooldino]

Yes, I have them with the double synchros in stock.

[Signature Sound]

so its recommended that 2nd, 3rd and 4th be changed right? $865 per pair with double syncros that comes to $2595 + shipping. Dont forget the lube, Add that on to what the shop is going to rape you with... for a grand total of...

3.2 million dollars!!!!

[shane02pro5]

Kooldino has on hand 3rd & 4th sets which are the most commonly broken. 1st & 2nd gear are cut into the input shaft like stock so thats much more $$$$ See my pics a few pages back. It's really not too bad I'm sure it's less than your stereo setup!!!