Piss poor response from a stop!

[AzMz3]

I know there was a thread about it here before but don't see it any more.

It is pretty bad. To the point were we are considering trading up to something different.

I have had the updates done to help but I don't think that did much. I even installed the CP-E intake and Forge BPV. I know the aftermarket parts are not to blame as it only is worst with them off. Actually one of the best ways to test a part is to remove it after awhile and drive the vehicle stock.

Last I got an oil change at the dealerI asked about it and was told the aftermarket BPV was leaking...pretty much told me they didn't bother to check. It is not leaking and I tuned it with the disks they provide, running the blue spring.

Has anyone contacted Mazda about this. Seems as it is a pretty well know thing and a simple reprogram to fix.

I have never owned a vehicle that was this slow to get off the line.

[TheMAN]

you say it was worse when it was stock? so then put it back to stock so they can find out WTF is wrong with it instead of bitching

[bazooka joe]

edwin to the rescue!! ya, back to stock sounds like a start?(dunno)

[07LiquidCX7]

Only way to get this car off the line "fast" is with hot-braking. Mine gets off the line fine without it most of the time, but if I am trying to beat someone off the line at a stop light to make a turn or something... hot braking is the only way to get it there really quickly.

[CX-7owner]

I don't even know what to say to people having issues with lag off the line, I have literally no turbo lag, even with AWD, it just zips around.

Something is wrong, The Forge Valve could be leaking, it's not out of the ordinary, call up Forge and see what they have to say.

[AzMz3]

you say it was worse when it was stock? so then put it back to stock so they can find out WTF is wrong with it instead of bitching

I dont think I was bitching and thanks for the advice or lack of. I think I know alot more about the car and the mods than you do and don't think putting it back to stock is going to help.


edwin to the rescue!! ya, back to stock sounds like a start?(dunno)

Again don't see how putting it back to stock is going to help. Maybe if you guy could read alittle better you would know that I'm not the only one with this issue and was just looking to see if anyone has went and contacted Mazda as some suggested they were going to do.


Only way to get this car off the line "fast" is with hot-braking. Mine gets off the line fine without it most of the time, but if I am trying to beat someone off the line at a stop light to make a turn or something... hot braking is the only way to get it there really quickly.

Yeah this is something I don't want to do often. It is not about me beating someone off the line but being able to move if the need is there.
We recently had a close call and needed to get out of the way and couldn't, but luckily everything was avoided.

The Forge has been checked and everything is tightened up as it should. I can't add shims as they will make the turbo surge.

[Mazda3]

Again don't see how putting it back to stock is going to help. Maybe if you guy could read alittle better you would know that I'm not the only one with this issue and was just looking to see if anyone has went and contacted Mazda as some suggested they were going to do.



You are the only one having this problem after the latest updates. The latest update totally changed the vehicle. There is more than one update. Make sure your dealer had the latest update in their system when they did your car. Mine has virtually no lag at all. So if you are convinced you have ALL the latest updates then you have a problem of some sort that your dealer needs to fix.

I see you have a speed 3 as well, so you are familiar with this set-up. Hows the mid range power? Does it seem like the power is there? Maybe there's a problem with the turbo.

[AzMz3]

You are the only one having this problem after the latest updates. The latest update totally changed the vehicle. There is more than one update. Make sure your dealer had the latest update in their system when they did your car. Mine has virtually no lag at all. So if you are convinced you have ALL the latest updates then you have a problem of some sort that your dealer needs to fix.

I see you have a speed 3 as well, so you are familiar with this set-up. Hows the mid range power? Does it seem like the power is there? Maybe there's a problem with the turbo.


That is where I'm at now, I need to verify that all of the updates are made. I'm sure I have seen others say the updates really didn't do all that much and they still had noticable lag from a stop.

The power is there once you are going. We just took it to Vegas for New Years and it has some passing power. The power after 2000rpms is strong also. Love everything about it but the power of the line.

[07LiquidCX7]

^I'm sorry but I think you are stuck like chuck. Might have to look at another vehicle with more torque on the motor. These things are SLOW off the line, no matter what update you get. I mean it's a 4000lb vehicle with a 4 cyl that pushes maybe 180 hp before 2000rpm when the turbo kicks in. My e30 318is (1991) with it's 4 cyl and 134hp is waaaaaayyyyyy faster off the line than the CX-7. But then again it only weighs 2600lbs I believe. Looks like you might have to look at something with a v6 or v8. My wife and I love our CX7 but off the line, it acts almost as badly as her old Civic DX. We've learned to live with it. BTW manually shifting it helps for us.

I agree with you about not wanting to hot brake it too often. I've only done it once (in 5 months) and it was because I had to pass someone from a light.

[wongster]

mine turbo lag is actually very minimal after doing all the updates... i am now very happy with it...

[TheMAN]

I dont think I was bitching and thanks for the advice or lack of. I think I know alot more about the car and the mods than you do and don't think putting it back to stock is going to help.



Again don't see how putting it back to stock is going to help. Maybe if you guy could read alittle better you would know that I'm not the only one with this issue and was just looking to see if anyone has went and contacted Mazda as some suggested they were going to do.



Yeah this is something I don't want to do often. It is not about me beating someone off the line but being able to move if the need is there.
We recently had a close call and needed to get out of the way and couldn't, but luckily everything was avoided.

The Forge has been checked and everything is tightened up as it should. I can't add shims as they will make the turbo surge.
of course it's going to help!

you don't get it do you? your dealer blamed your mods as the cause of the poor drivability of your car... so stfu, put the shit back to stock (which you say was worse than with the mods), then bring it back and shove it in their face... since you claim it drives worse when it's stock, it should be over the top obvious to them that something is wrong

what is so hard to understand about that?
I don't care if you know more about your car or mods than I do, but you need to use common sense!

[Mazda3]

I'm sure I have seen others say the updates really didn't do all that much and they still had noticable lag from a stop.



It was the latest update that made the big difference. It wasn't released until Sept. 29th in Canada. The people that said it didn't make a difference were talking about the earlier updates.

[CX-7owner]

The latest update for me changed the way the the car responds, for the very noticeable better.
The holding of third gear is really great too.

[AzMz3]

of course it's going to help!

you don't get it do you? your dealer blamed your mods as the cause of the poor drivability of your car... so stfu, put the shit back to stock (which you say was worse than with the mods), then bring it back and shove it in their face... since you claim it drives worse when it's stock, it should be over the top obvious to them that something is wrong

what is so hard to understand about that?
I don't care if you know more about your car or mods than I do, but you need to use common sense!


Reading would definately help you. Maybe you should read up on the CX-7 as this is a common issue with a TSB. I just found a few people that had the TSB done and no better response from the car. Why are you responding in here anyway with nothing but a ignorant comment to put it back to stock when that is not the issue. Commonsense is lacking on your side of the family huh!

Understand this. Known issues. I had the Updates performed no change in the car and was asking if others still had the issues and have contacted Mazda. Since you don't know anything about the CX-7 STFU

Thanks and have a nice day!

[AzMz3]

It was the latest update that made the big difference. It wasn't released until Sept. 29th in Canada. The people that said it didn't make a difference were talking about the earlier updates.


I had the TSB done when the recalls first came out, I actually got the car the same day they were posted and in the service the following week.

I have still seen a few with the issue, maybe there is a recent update but I have yet to see a different one that what I had done. I just need to verify it was actually done on the vehicle and not just documented.

Thanks for the responses to those that understand. I'm pretty sure many know it is not a huge 5minute delay but what others have stated in the past.

As for the weight and power the CX-7 definately has the power to get off the line faster than it does. It is all in the programming that is limiting this.

Thanks again.

[07LiquidCX7]

As for the weight and power the CX-7 definately has the power to get off the line faster than it does. It is all in the programming that is limiting this

I'm not so sure about that. 4000lbs is hard to drag away from the line with a 180hp 4 cyl. Until 2000rpm and the turbo spools up, that's what you're stuck with. Every turbo setup is going to have lag, I actually feel pretty good about how quickly the turbo does kick in (about 2000rpm). I had the most recent flash and it helped noticeably but the vehicle is still a pig off the line. Even if you had access to the full 240hp from the get go, you wouldn't go anywhere very fast. You'd get a ton of wheelspin, or the TCS bogging the power away from the front wheels. Unless you have the AWD... then it would be cool, I have FWD. The car is just too heavy to put the power down anyway it's sliced.

Does anyone have the 60ft times of a CX7 quartermile time? That would put this to bed asap. My wife and I have just learned to drive it the way it is, not like we would drive our mustang GT, or my BMW. For example, if I am pulling into a busy street from a business driveway I'll give the gas just before the guy in front of the gap I want into is past me so that by the time he is past the CX7 will be around 2000 rpms and I'm off like any other car.

Now like you said... rolling starts are another matter, this thing has power in spades because it can put it to the ground. Not going to blow the doors off of anything, but definitely fun.

If you feel your CX7 is not performing to spec... then I would tend to agree with the others. Take it in for warranty service and tell them you are not picking up the vehicle until they have fixed the problem. While you are there test drive another CX7 and see how it compares to yours. Those are the only 2 things I can suggest.

[AzMz3]

I think most are now thinking this is an isolate issue. I don't feel there is anything different from mine then the others. The only difference is I think it could be better. It is not turbo lag that many think it is, it is limited by the ECU and TCS.
I'm not wanting to blow cars doors off at every light just alittle better throttle response.
I'll have the truck all day tomorrow and will look into a few things.

I'm not really looking for suggestions just to see if others on here are still unhappy with the results of the update like others I have seen.
I'm not one to live with something and make due with what it is. There are always options out there.

[CX-7owner]

It's an SUV with a turbocharger, you're asking for too much.
Mind Video taping it?

[hevysrf]

I have a very early build Black cherry AWD GT, it had some lag if you floored it from dead stop, but my wife and I always had small engine cars and it didn't bother us. Rolling start, and feathered pedal response were great. We just had the car to Mazda and it totally changed dead stop performance. very quick from dead stop. I also suggest going back to stock, this is a very complex engine, I don't think the aftermarket can out think Mazda. If you need some thing quicker Look at the new Speed 3, my dealer one one stickerd at about 23k, must be lighter and quicker. If you need more the only awnser is cubic dollars. MartyD

[TheMAN]

Reading would definately help you. Maybe you should read up on the CX-7 as this is a common issue with a TSB. I just found a few people that had the TSB done and no better response from the car. Why are you responding in here anyway with nothing but a ignorant comment to put it back to stock when that is not the issue. Commonsense is lacking on your side of the family huh!

Understand this. Known issues. I had the Updates performed no change in the car and was asking if others still had the issues and have contacted Mazda. Since you don't know anything about the CX-7 STFU

Thanks and have a nice day!
that's nice
I know about the TSB and performed them

the problem you have is, your dealer has done it, and then they refused to acknowledge that you claim to have a bigger problem due to your mods... like I said, you claim that this shit was worse when it was stock, so why not PUT IT BACK TO STOCK and bring it back to the dealer and tell them "I told you so"? they want to blame your mods and imply that they're willing to check out the car when it's stock, why don't you just stop with the bitching now and just do it? how is this concept so hard to understand that dealers don't want to touch modified cars? how is it so hard to understand that they'll look at the problem further when your car is stock? all you've done was being negative towards your car and suggestions to HELP YOU with your problem

you claim the problem was not fixed, and they blame you for your mods... so put it back to stock, and give them NO reason to weasel out of diagnosing your car under warranty... it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out! maybe there really is a problem with your car and they'll take care of it then! maybe they'll find out that it's "normal" and you're just overreacting to the problem.... furthermore, the ECU flashes have been continually updated on the CX-7 which means whatever new changes they made could further improve drivability... so whatever flash level is stated in the TSB is probably going to be older than what's out now

your refusal to be flexible in trying to get this matter resolved is why this thread is still going on


the CX-7 is going to drive like a slug before the turbo kicks in anyway... but it's NOT that bad as some of you make it sound... when it's off boost it'll just drive as slow as a 95hp econobox..... slow yes, but not enough to get you killed

[07LiquidCX7]

I'm not really looking for suggestions just to see if others on here are still unhappy with the results of the update like others I have seen.
I'm not one to live with something and make due with what it is. There are always options out there.

Oh I agree, don't just "settle." If you are unhappy with the performance it's either time to start looking at more extensive mods... like an aftermarket TMIC, or time to think about trading the vehicle for something with more torque. I watched a couple of cx7 reviews last night because I was curious what reviiewers were thinking, and they said the same thing. They loved the vehicle and that the only complaint was it didn't have much grunt off the line. I think it's just an inherent characteristic of a 4cyl turbo SUV that weighs 4000lbs. This is almost verbatim what they said in one of the reviews.

Good luck, I hope you're able to get what you want for power in the car, but if not I hope you're able to find something else you like.

[07LiquidCX7]

the CX-7 is going to drive like a slug before the turbo kicks in anyway... but it's NOT that bad as some of you make it sound... when it's off boost it'll just drive as slow as a 95hp econobox..... slow yes, but not enough to get you killed

Agreed... that's what I've been trying to say.

[goldstar]

Reading would definately help you. Maybe you should read up on the CX-7 as this is a common issue with a TSB. I just found a few people that had the TSB done and no better response from the car. Why are you responding in here anyway with nothing but a ignorant comment to put it back to stock when that is not the issue. Commonsense is lacking on your side of the family huh!

Understand this. Known issues. I had the Updates performed no change in the car and was asking if others still had the issues and have contacted Mazda. Since you don't know anything about the CX-7 STFU

Thanks and have a nice day!

Since TheMAN knows everything about all Mazdas, listen to what he has to say or be afraid, be very afraid. Expose your ignorance to TheMAN and he will smite you until you desist. Rejoice that TheMAN sees fit to correct your errant thoughts.

[Sleeper626]

theman doesnt know anything!!!!







J/K
put it back to stock and take it back and let them fix the car

[AzMz3]

that's nice
I know about the TSB and performed them

the problem you have is, your dealer has done it, and then they refused to acknowledge that you claim to have a bigger problem due to your mods... like I said, you claim that this shit was worse when it was stock, so why not PUT IT BACK TO STOCK and bring it back to the dealer and tell them "I told you so"? they want to blame your mods and imply that they're willing to check out the car when it's stock, why don't you just stop with the bitching now and just do it? how is this concept so hard to understand that dealers don't want to touch modified cars? how is it so hard to understand that they'll look at the problem further when your car is stock? all you've done was being negative towards your car and suggestions to HELP YOU with your problem

you claim the problem was not fixed, and they blame you for your mods... so put it back to stock, and give them NO reason to weasel out of diagnosing your car under warranty... it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out! maybe there really is a problem with your car and they'll take care of it then! maybe they'll find out that it's "normal" and you're just overreacting to the problem.... furthermore, the ECU flashes have been continually updated on the CX-7 which means whatever new changes they made could further improve drivability... so whatever flash level is stated in the TSB is probably going to be older than what's out now

your refusal to be flexible in trying to get this matter resolved is why this thread is still going on


the CX-7 is going to drive like a slug before the turbo kicks in anyway... but it's NOT that bad as some of you make it sound... when it's off boost it'll just drive as slow as a 95hp econobox..... slow yes, but not enough to get you killed

Actually you are one of them making it out to be worst than it is. And taking it way out of context.
Now I haven't complained or said anything to the dealer and even left alot of things out of this thread as I wasn't looking for a fix or to cry to anyone here. If you would have read it the post specificly asked if others had contacted mazda for a better fix. There are some with that still have the poor response that choose to live with it and there have been some that have moved on to something else.

Now I'll add what needs to be added to clear up your assumptions.
1st the truck had 1/2 the recalls and the TSB done at the dealership I bought it from.
During an oil change and having a tire replaced at a closer dealership I asked if they could finish the recalls and simply check to make sure the TSB was taken care of. When I picked up the truck I read the invoice and everything was done. But the only mention of the TSB was that the tech stared the aftermarket BPV was leaking boost. To me that looks like they didn't even check just heard the normal sounds of the CAI and BPV and concluded that the BPV is leaking. No where does it say they checked if the vehicle had the update for the TSB.

And as for it being worst stock simply means that the CAI and BPV actually made it feel better. Really not that hard to understand with out the extra info.

It may not be horrible but it is bad. HP has very little to do with it and I think is it more of the electronics of the car. Actually it is torque that gets it off the line. The 2.3L displacement and a high compression should still provide more torque then what we see coming off the line especially on a FWD vehicle.

Not overreacting at all. My posting of not needing to put the car back to stock is because I feel it is common and something that should and could be better. But you could be right and maybe there is a newer update that will fix it.


Now since you say you know about the TSB and perform them then let me ask you. Should there be a sticker/label as the TSB states to be added to the vehicle to let other techs know what updates have been done. I just looked and still have the factory sticker/lable with a 10/06 date on it. So therefore I'm alittle more skeptical of the TSB being done.

There is just something wrong when you need to power brake to get the the truck to move. I don't recall the AWD version or the similar Acura RDX.

[TheMAN]

they do NOT put the "authorized modifications" label over your factory id label door sticker! they are supposed to put that label elsewhere in the door jamb but many techs do not do so because they are lazy/don't care... really the sticker is such a trivial thing and doesn't really matter anyway

I still don't see what the big deal is... I haven't experienced the cx-7 to be completely gutless off the line... sure it's a slug but it gets moving if you do NOT floor it.. you have to ease on the gas in order to increase air velocity into the engine... just flooring it will just kill that and your volumetric efficiency goes to shit and you loose torque.... it's the same for any car that makes peaky power... my non-turbo protege does it, and when I feel it bog, I just back off the gas pedal a bit and it actually makes more torque afterwards!

[CX-7owner]

Flooring the CX-7 confuses the shit out of the DBW system, it lags before it does anything when you floor it from a stop.

[AzMz3]

I figured so much with the sticker. I got an oil change coming up so I'll ask agian to see if they will check if the TSB was made, I'll even put the stock BPV on.

Yeah flooring this really makes it 100x worst. Tried it a few times and you get a bigger bog and then depending on the street surface you hit DSC which bogs it again.
I learned along time ago with other auto trans that it is almost always better/fast to get off the line without flooring it and easing into WOT once it gets going.

Again it is not a BIG deal but is something me and my family would rather not live with it. I'll get the TSB checked. I was hoping I would have some time to do some datalogs with my scantool and see what actually is happening from a stop at WOT by flooring and easing into it.

Thanks again for the advice and understanding.

[Mazda3]

I figured so much with the sticker. I got an oil change coming up so I'll ask agian to see if they will check if the TSB was made, I'll even put the stock BPV on.

Yeah flooring this really makes it 100x worst. Tried it a few times and you get a bigger bog and then depending on the street surface you hit DSC which bogs it again.
I learned along time ago with other auto trans that it is almost always better/fast to get off the line without flooring it and easing into WOT once it gets going.

Again it is not a BIG deal but is something me and my family would rather not live with it. I'll get the TSB checked. I was hoping I would have some time to do some datalogs with my scantool and see what actually is happening from a stop at WOT by flooring and easing into it.

Thanks again for the advice and understanding.

With the latest update there shouldn't be a safety concern as far as lag. The CX-7 won't explode off the line, but mine does leave the line briskly.

The sticker doesn't matter. The software Mazda is current using automatically checks for updates as soon as they hook it up to your car. So all that has to happen is two things:

1) Make sure the dealer has downloaded the latest updates. If you don't trust them or they appear stupid make them show you the date of the last time they updated their system.

2) Make sure you see them hook the computer up to your vehicle and activate it. Once this occurs computer will do the rest. Most techs don't want to run updates they don't get paid enough for them, so make sure you see them do it.

Once we confirm you have the latest update them we can see if there is a seperate issue. The first PCM/TCM reflash Mazda released was a small improvement in response and shifting, but nothing earth moving. The latest reflash was a major difference. Even people who aren't car nuts like us will noticed their vehicle is running different. My wife asked if I was modding the CX behind her back after the last reflash.

[patty AT forge]

Double check the valve. Make sure that the 28mm side port is tight in the valve body and see if you can rotate the valve body in relation to the flange.

We have had some valves go out with out thread sealant on the side port, which allows for a small leak, and with the valve to flange lock ring too loose, which also allows for a leak.

[joevac10]

I know there was a thread about it here before but don't see it any more.

It is pretty bad. To the point were we are considering trading up to something different.

I have had the updates done to help but I don't think that did much. I even installed the CP-E intake and Forge BPV. I know the aftermarket parts are not to blame as it only is worst with them off. Actually one of the best ways to test a part is to remove it after awhile and drive the vehicle stock.

Last I got an oil change at the dealerI asked about it and was told the aftermarket BPV was leaking...pretty much told me they didn't bother to check. It is not leaking and I tuned it with the disks they provide, running the blue spring.

Has anyone contacted Mazda about this. Seems as it is a pretty well know thing and a simple reprogram to fix.

I have never owned a vehicle that was this slow to get off the line.

Dude, you probably didn't install it properly. If you know anything about TURBO cars, you know that there is a thing called TURBO LAG!!!! Oh and also it is a 4 cyl so, what do you expect man?? (thumb)

[AzMz3]

Dude, you probably didn't install it properly. If you know anything about TURBO cars, you know that there is a thing called TURBO LAG!!!! Oh and also it is a 4 cyl so, what do you expect man?? (thumb)

Newb I think I know how to install parts and to make sure they are working right. If you don't own one or know anything about the CX-7 please save the ignorant comments! Your assumptions show you know very little about anything so please leave it at that.


Double check the valve. Make sure that the 28mm side port is tight in the valve body and see if you can rotate the valve body in relation to the flange.

We have had some valves go out with out thread sealant on the side port, which allows for a small leak, and with the valve to flange lock ring too loose, which also allows for a leak.

I seen you post this before and went out and checked the valve that very day. All is well with it but I will be removing it when I take it in for the next oil change and have then see if the lastest update is what I got.

Thanks again.

[Mazda3]

Let's keep this thread on topic. The thread starter has a legitimate concern which some of us are trying to help him with. Further smartass comments are not welcome. He has shown his knowledge level to reasonably experienced, so this is not just another "lag" thread.

[hectik1]

Honestly, it is a turbo vehicle with an ATX and elctronic throttle control, what did you expect? I think it is pretty quick off the line considering all these things.

[07LiquidCX7]

^Agree this is a definite possibility, only if he has the current flash version.

But as you said (OP), you will know definitively after your next dealer visit whether or not you have the most recent update. When our dealer did my wife's car they didn't even tell me it had been done, but I could tell a difference with the off the line response instantly. LOL I could tell at the gas pump too. We used to get 20-25mpg depending on traffic. Now we get 18-22mpg. I hope you are able to get this straightened out. Best case scenario would be you find out you have an outdated flash and then you are happy with it after flash. Worst case you find out you have most recent flash and have to start thinking more aftermarket mods.

[AzMz3]

Honestly, it is a turbo vehicle with an ATX and elctronic throttle control, what did you expect? I think it is pretty quick off the line considering all these things.

Broken record....I think a few people have said this over and over!
To be fair there is another turbo SUV with lower compression that doesn't feel as slow off the line as the CX-7. Maybe some of you are just settling and think what you know about turbos and atx apply but if you look at the big picture you would probally understand alittle better.
The CX-7 is any thing but quick off the line.....hell that is even said in many reveiws of it.



^Agree this is a definite possibility, only if he has the current flash version.

But as you said (OP), you will know definitively after your next dealer visit whether or not you have the most recent update. When our dealer did my wife's car they didn't even tell me it had been done, but I could tell a difference with the off the line response instantly. LOL I could tell at the gas pump too. We used to get 20-25mpg depending on traffic. Now we get 18-22mpg. I hope you are able to get this straightened out. Best case scenario would be you find out you have an outdated flash and then you are happy with it after flash. Worst case you find out you have most recent flash and have to start thinking more aftermarket mods.

It would be nice if all it needs is the update and after all said and done the CX-7 can finally get out of its own way. But if not an upgrade to a different vehicle might be the thing to do. Getting into the CX-7 was something we didn't have a whole lot of time to do, so the whole process was rushed.

I'll keep everyone updated on the service and we still try to get some datalogs to see whats what.

[CX-7owner]

I'm still not seeing the issue, it's not even under 2000RPMS for less than a second with the right amount of throttle.
Get something with a V6, the CX-7 wasn't the right choice for you obviously.

[AzMz3]

On topic guys, I don't want to lock this thread, I would rather se it to the end.

[AzMz3]

I guess I need to make it more clear that I know how this vehicle drives and as far I as know no one here has driven my vehicle except me and my wife.
Was the update done or not has not been established yet. It might have and the poor off the line peformance is just not what I'm wanting.
This thread specificly ask for others that had the issue if they had contacted Mazda. Basically to see if they were still working on it or if the TSB was the only hope.

Either most here some how bought this car for me or I have offend you with the subject and now made you think you have a bad vehicle. If that is the case I don't know what to say.

Bottom line is I feel there is an issue, you haven't driven my car so your speculation means very little and is not helping when solutions were already established.
If your SUV drives like you want it too then great, I'm really not looking for any information on how your vehicle is driving or how you think mine is.

Hopefully that was a polite as it can be and no other un-needed or repeat comments will keep coming back.

[AWmustang]

Because none of use have driven your vehicle it is impossible for us to compare what you experience to what we experience.

I know that I am usually the first one across the intersection without even trying, so I don't feel that mine has piss poor response from a stop.

Maybe I have a particularly fast CX-7. Maybe you have a particularly slow one. Maybe our expectations are just very different... it's really impossible to say.

I know that when I was having problems with my Mustang that the dealer kept telling me was normal, I said, fine come with me in mine and then come with me in one you have sitting on the lot. That finally got results because he couldn't tell me it was normal when a random one from his lot didn't do the same thing.

[bazooka joe]

it seems like this is really a personal choice likes/dislikes issue more than anything? unless there is a real problem with the vehicle (which looks like it hasn't been determined)???

[Alpha Wolf]

I think there is a issue.

When I was making a left turn onto a 4 lane 45 mph zone there is a corner to my left. I pulled out easy as no one was in sight either way. As I got 1/2 way into the first lane I see the roof a car coming from my left going way over 45mph!

I feather the gas to the floor but the car just cruised over and he missed me by inches. So in these cases yes it is an issue.

But until they get the ECU to give you full boost and full throttle when your foot demands it (plug and play ECU unit) you can make it better but it will not go away.

I now turn the TCS off and never ease out there even when no cars are in sight as my way of coping. I am used to my other cars which go when floored. This one cruises for a while then goes..

(beer)

[StickShiftCamry]

At a stop light put it in "M" put it in 2nd push the TCS button. When the light turns green floor it then quickly put it in 1st while flooring = descent wheel spin for FWD owners.

[StickShiftCamry]

It's all about the programming, this motor can roast tires on a FWD, but they programmed it so u can't, this motor's computer programming is completely limited. I have no emotional connection w/ this car, if it weren't for my Killer Kicker system then I don't know. I always drive my Camry (V6 5spd Manual!), the sounds, the extreme full range 1st gear to 2nd gear peel outs. Whats happening to cars nowadays? This dude's new Acura TSX was so humiliatingly slower than my 10yr old Camry.

[AzMz3]

I have an appointment tomorrow for an oil change and to check to see if I had the TBS done.

I got to drive it tonight and yeah I would definately say it is piss poor off the line. It feels like there is something limiting the power of the vehicle and then it kicks in. I noticed if I was making a turn and driving normally part throttle it will break the tire loose and have the slip light flashing on the dash.
It reminded me of another car I had with traction control. With it on dirt, gravel or a smooth wet road the truck would just bog like it didn't have the power to go, very much like the cx-7 does all the time.

And I took off the Forge BPV and yeah the throttle response is bad now, I don't remember it being this bad when we got it.

This is my wifes primary vehicle and I just recently been driving it. I'm pretty sure others don't drive like this and if they do it is pretty sad.
There is no way I could beat anyone across the light if I tried in the truck.
So maybe there is a issues with it.

Hopefully it is a simple fix and I don't have to deal with service too much, we just went through the whole lemon process with another vehicle.

[AWmustang]

I think there is a issue.

When I was making a left turn onto a 4 lane 45 mph zone there is a corner to my left. I pulled out easy as no one was in sight either way. As I got 1/2 way into the first lane I see the roof a car coming from my left going way over 45mph!

I feather the gas to the floor but the car just cruised over and he missed me by inches. So in these cases yes it is an issue.

But until they get the ECU to give you full boost and full throttle when your foot demands it (plug and play ECU unit) you can make it better but it will not go away.

I now turn the TCS off and never ease out there even when no cars are in sight as my way of coping. I am used to my other cars which go when floored. This one cruises for a while then goes..

(beer)

What you are describing here might be the transmission that is quite slow to down shift when you gun it. If you manually down shift and floor it, you should get much better response.

I drive in pretty heavy traffic on my way home. the entrance I use is also an exit only lane and then immediately after the exit the right lane ends. So I must get across 2 lanes in a rather short distance. I leave it in manual and when I hit the gas it zooms right into the gaps. I've tried leaving it in auto and it does just what you describe. I hit the gas and it sits there as if it's contemplating whether it wants to go, by the time I get any decent movement I've missed the gap.

[AzMz3]

Just got back from service. It did need an update. But there was no change with the off the line throttle response or anything else.

The close call I had was very similar to what has been said. And until you have a close call you might think everything is fine and dandy. Normally this car drives great. So ends up being one of those things you either live with or do something about it. I might try a few things to see the outcome and I'll submit a letter to Mazda just to see what type of response I will get.

[AzMz3]

Finally replaced the CX-7 this weekend. A smaller vehicle just wasn't working out for us. Must have been V8 envy!

Now I can get some more quads and have some fun.

Already ordering some mods for it. Going to lower the rear with 2", add an intake, exhaust and a flash tool as soon as one comes out, and 22's will replace the stock 20's.

This is right after removing the running boards and all stickers.

It is an 08 F-150 FX-2 2WD 5.4L

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/6/web/738000-738999/738167_284_full.jpg

[CX-7owner]

I would have waited for the 09 F-150, it's going to be awesome.

[Killer]

Finally replaced the CX-7 this weekend. A smaller vehicle just wasn't working out for us. Must have been V8 envy!

Now I can get some more quads and have some fun.

Already ordering some mods for it. Going to lower the rear with 2", add an intake, exhaust and a flash tool as soon as one comes out, and 22's will replace the stock 20's.

This is right after removing the running boards and all stickers.

It is an 08 F-150 FX-2 2WD 5.4L

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/6/web/738000-738999/738167_284_full.jpg

Enjoy fillin' that thing up....(alright)

[bazooka joe]

nice truck!! i hope you didn't replace the 7 because you didn't like the gas mileage!!!

[AzMz3]

Gas milage? I never buy a vehicle and worry about gas milage. I'm looking forward to a flash tool too come out so I can put some 91oct in.
The truck is more for room and hauling a trailer full of quads.

We came from 3 SUV's, the last one was a lemon and being in a smaller car while the whole process took place we figured to give a smaller vehicle a try. The CX-7 is a great car and we would have kept it but got a great offer on the truck.

I haven't seen anything on the 09's that make me want one.

[offset_98]

Here's the '09 - the new 'bigger' engines don't come until '10 anyway.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/ford-f-150.html

[CX-7owner]

Yeah but you get the six speed auto, better interior, better styling(IMO), etc..

[Shaz]

AGREED +1. Somebody didn't do their homework.

[AzMz3]

AGREED +1. Somebody didn't do their homework.

(lol)
Homework! I probally know more about the 2009-2010 F-150 them most here. And as stated there was nothing that made me want to wait for the 09.
Flashy lights and gauge packages along with a million storage compartments is hardly something to wait for. (cabpatch)

[CX-7owner]

Trading in a relatively new car isn't smart, neither is buying a truck right before a major redesign.

[AzMz3]

Trading in a relatively new car isn't smart, neither is buying a truck right before a major redesign.

It is not the best financial(sp) thing to do, but thats not hurting us to make the decision not smart. After all we got the CX-7 very very cheap even as loaded as it was. GT model fwd Bose/Moonroof. I think we bought it with $4000 rebates + S-plan. I original plans were not to keep it too long but to just get something cheap to get by on.
And there were over $5000 rebates + some other dealers incentives + X-plan for the Ford. Got a great trade in value on the CX-7 so it was a no brainer.

A major redesign really has not say in it at all. If anything most are scared of a first year design and hold on sales. Especailly when there is nothing too major to change the deal or make someone wait.

I can keep the truck or trade it in when the 2010's come out and still be in very good shape.

It might not be smart for you if you can't afford it...but I can.

[CX-7owner]

I'm sure you can "afford it", but opening up so many new loans is hurting your credit profile, for instance, we got a CX-7, RX-8, and S80 in less than six months and my family's Fico dropped 70 points, and Chase lowered my fathers credit limit and raised the APR, not to mention it just doesn't look good(the hard inquiry pulls, installment debt, etc). Not to mention trading in a new car is just a waste, but it's a luxury that can be had if you "got it like that".

What was the trade in?

Oh and I highly doubt that Ford would fuck up on their best seller.

[AzMz3]

I'm sure you can "afford it", but opening up so many new loans is hurting your credit profile, for instance, we got a CX-7, RX-8, and S80 in less than six months and my family's Fico dropped 70 points, and Chase lowered my fathers credit limit and raised the APR, not to mention it just doesn't look good(the hard inquiry pulls, installment debt, etc). Not to mention trading in a new car is just a waste, but it's a luxury that can be had if you "got it like that".

What was the trade in?

Oh and I highly doubt that Ford would fuck up on their best seller.

I know all about credit and have excellent scores, the single loan application is not going to do too much to hurt anything we plan on doing in the future.
We have never had any credit card company drop our credit line or raise the APR. We have actually bought 3 new vehicles in 07 and our scores where pretty much the same for each loan.

Don't know what you mean about the Ford part, but there is nothing outstanding about the new 09 F-150 as I have said.

Like I said you might think it is a waste because of your situation but it was a win/win for us. It is not about "having it like that" but buying a car the smart way. We bought it just to get by until we wanted something else. Keeping it was an option but for the price we got it, it ended up doing just what we wanted.

Trade in value was $21500 which we were lucky we got it when the rebates/incentives + S-plan was pretty good. It worked out just like we wanted it too.

[SuperStretch18]

+1 on the credit score item... Even when I was shopping mortgages, I got several quotes before coming to a decision. My credit scores, interest rates, etc. were not impacted, though we did need to explain in writing why there were recent inquiries on my credit.

[CX-7owner]

When you're shopping for mortgages the first inquiry that is pulled only impacts the score for the next 45 days, the rest don't impact the Fico score, they just don't look good, even then when the first one is pulled, it's only a few points.

But we had 3 installment loans totaling near $100,000 dollars opened all within a relatively short time(six months), so Chase said that this was "risky" and did what they did, and my dad's Fico dropped like a brick due to the Inquiry's and the new debt, and a big old T/L that went below what the high balance was, and his name was on all three.

[bova80]

cause i'm sure an f-150 is going to be so fast off the line now. if you were so concerned about being fast off the line why don't you buy something that was meant to be driven fast, not a truck or suv.

[Mazda3]

Why are we bashing this guy and minding his financial business for him? He's not knocking Mazda and has a Mazdaspeed 3 parked in the driveway beside the truck. The Ford is a nice truck, he wanted something bigger. I'm assuming that the deal he got is $1000's cheaper than he would've got on the 09 and he's in a position to trade for the 2010 model if he feels like it anyway. For horsepower crazy guys like us it doesn't make sense to buy the 09 anyway.

On a side note your credit system works funny down there. In canada as long as you pay your bills and your debt service ratio is fine it doesn't matter how many new cars you buy.

[mikey1981]

throttle response seems to be the biggest complaint with this vehicle...my only question is...was everyone numb to the world when you test drove the car before you bought it? I realize we dont notice as much as we should when test driving, we tend to get overwhelmed with the newness and the coolness of the car...but, even on test drive, the throttle response is apparent when pulling out of the parking spot in the 7.

i remember when i first got this car, one of my first posts back in 2006 was about how i was travelling thru an intersection during work and almost got hit, due to the lag response.....i remember being told something along the lines of "if its that close, then i was doing something wrong and not driving safely"...the pure fact is, the initial throttle tip-in lag IS an issue, even with the tsb's and reprogramming...i may go out to a random dealer and drive an 08, to check it out, i actually still have a very very small soft spot for this truck.........but this is a dangerous situation for the unsuspecting driver like a mom w/kids who will prob be driving at a slower speed, and god forbid shes gotta slam on the gas to get outta the way of something etc this thing just isnt going to respond the way in which we normally would think

just my 2 cents, and checking in.....i think the OP should have noticed this issue on test drive, but in either case, if u gotta buy a FORD, id at least buy a late model year than a new redesign, and i think the OP made a decent choice.

[CX7_Scott]

very happy with mine. :)

Occasionally, If I come to a rolling-stop... you know; approaching a red light as it turns green, so you're still doing roughly 5-10mph... if I step on it then, WHOA! It rockets-away like crazy...! :)

[AzMz3]

Why are we bashing this guy and minding his financial business for him? He's not knocking Mazda and has a Mazdaspeed 3 parked in the driveway beside the truck. The Ford is a nice truck, he wanted something bigger. I'm assuming that the deal he got is $1000's cheaper than he would've got on the 09 and he's in a position to trade for the 2010 model if he feels like it anyway. For horsepower crazy guys like us it doesn't make sense to buy the 09 anyway.

On a side note your credit system works funny down there. In canada as long as you pay your bills and your debt service ratio is fine it doesn't matter how many new cars you buy.

Thanks for the reply.
I could never say the CX-7 was a bad vehicle or even the worst that we have had. It was a very nice vehicle and we would have keep it if we didn't get a good deal on the truck.

Our credit system works pretty much the same. Some are making it seem more complicated then it really is buy putting $100 installment loans in there with multiply inquireys.



cause i'm sure an f-150 is going to be so fast off the line now. if you were so concerned about being fast off the line why don't you buy something that was meant to be driven fast, not a truck or suv.

The truck is actually alot faster off the line and will be even better with a few mods. Even my Armada was alot quicker off the line than the CX-7.

The poor throttle response was just my gripe about the CX-7 which is actually a very popular gripe at that. No way was I saying the cx-7 was a horrible vehicle.

But too answer your question I did.

[VirginMazdaOwne]

At the risk of getting flamed here I just have to chime in...

I'm 37 and owned a lot of cars and of those all sorts.

I bought my 07 CX-7 brand new it’s the first turbo I've ever owned.

I pulled out in traffic one day and about crapped my pants.

I thought wow gutless response having test drove it with the dealer I never stomped on the gas so this was a surprise because I felt on test drive the car had some serious balls

So I went to this and other forums few things I learned

1. Get all the TSB done I did this before I got any mods done also they wouldn't just do it unless I had a problem/complaint that was specific. Didn’t need one they ran the VIN and I had a recall that was needed.

2. I put on the CP intake and the forge (doing the TMIC but that’s only if it ever flippen gets here)

3. The car does respond better but still flooring it will give you worse results try the 90-98% range (takes practice) it’s a huge difference from 100%

4. IMHO since the car is fly by wire (no throttle cable) so the crappy response is either a side effect or done on purpose for some reason why hell I don't know I leave that to Mazda

5. I have a FWD we had a light snow and I went up a hill and again about crapped my pants the car came to a dead stop with pedal to the metal and no rpms from the engine. Took me a second to figure out that the computer was over thinking. Backed down the hill took off the traction and powered right up the hill with no problem. This shouldn't be this way imho because I have driven other traction control cars but none of them reacted this bad with over compensation.

6. Dealers won't touch your car with mods when you have a problem or complaint and really I can't blame them it brings in more variables on an already complicated car.

7. I love my CX-7 and it's just taking time to feel her up(stoned)

[AWmustang]

#6 isn't necessarily true. There are several people on this forum who have stated their dealers have no problems with their mods.

#5... i have AWD and i agree the TCS is a bit too aggressive.

[VirginMazdaOwne]

#6 isn't necessarily true. There are several people on this forum who have stated their dealers have no problems with their mods.


Oh I'm sure there are some but if we put it on a pie chart I would put money that the ones that would be helpful would be a pretty small %

[satz]

hi all

I sympathise / empathise with the OP regarding the sluggish take off. I got all the updates done (here in Oz there haven't been many at all. I think just the one for the engine)

Anyway...that helped smooth out the acceleration from stop. I think it's pretty okay now...until the AC is switched on or the engine is heatsoaked

Then it's a near-disaster. Many times I've pulled out into traffic to overtake, and tried both gentle and hard acceleration but nothing happens until about 3000 rpm.

The worst situation is when it's a warm day (say above 80F) and the car has already been driven and then parked and you have to use the AC. The turbo heat affects everything and the take-off from standstill (and very low speed) is horrible AND DANGEROUS.

I still haven't found any solution. Not sure if it's the ECU running a slightly lean mix because it thinks the engine is already hot? or if intercooler heatsoak really affects the car that badly?

I've had a previous turbo car which had some lag when you floored it, but nothing as bad as this...and was no different when the car was cold or hot. (mind you that had an FMIC and was a slightly 'simpler' car electronics wise)

cheers

Satz