What do u think about the new 2009 Mazda 6?

[the gamper]

Follow the link for tons of pics for wagon, hatch and sedan.


http://www.motorauthority.com/news/sedans/revealed-2008-mazda6/

http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/Mazda/6/off1/mazda_6_small.jpg

[the gamper]

Follow the link for lots of pics

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/sedans/revealed-2008-mazda6/

http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/Mazda/6/off1/mazda_6_small.jpg

[BlackCherry06]

I like it overall...the rear 3/4 view reminds me of Lexus GS/IS, which IMO is not a bad thing. If there was something I'd send back for a re-do, it'd be that Camry Solara grille. I'm VERY anxious to see the MS6 if they do one.

[BLACKMS3]

I like it, when's the new MS6 coming out???

[the gamper]

I like it, when's the new MS6 coming out???

Word is that it will not be until mid to late 2008. I had heard that it will be a 2009 model, but the article suggests that it is a 2008.

I still have not heard any concrete info on whether it will get the 3.5 or 3.7 V6, anyone confirm one way or the other? Good to hear though that it will be lighter than the outgoing model.

I see a lot of Nissan Altima in the side profile, but not bad company to be in.

[BlackCherry06]

Well, the Mazda 6 bowed in 2003 and the MS6 didn't come along until 2006. If they do one, I suspect we have a while to think about it and speculate what it's packin. :-)

[nate0123]

wow, very handsome, cohesive designs

if I were in the market for a car in that segment, the new 6 would be an obvious choice

[Foolish]

Not crazy about the grill, it looks too much like the ugly-ass new WRX.

Otherwise, I really like 'em, especially the wagon! I hope they bring stick wagons to the states, they killed off the manual in '06, and the entire wagon in '07, so I sort of doubt we'll see '08 manual wagons, but I can hope!

[freekwonder]

Wow I really like it. Might have to find a way to trade up when the new MS6 comes out.

[ZoomZoomH]

wow that looks sweet

[CantCMe]

Pretty nice...

[davecoyne]

Well, I have to take back my other comments from the prior thread. I do really like the looks of the new 6. I am also happy they are returning to covers over the cupholders.

[mazpro]

I really like it (thumb)

I don't know why, but it didn't look too good on the pictures from the other thread.

[TX Speed 6]

Word is that it will not be until mid to late 2008. I had heard that it will be a 2009 model, but the article suggests that it is a 2008.

I still have not heard any concrete info on whether it will get the 3.5 or 3.7 V6, anyone confirm one way or the other? Good to hear though that it will be lighter than the outgoing model.


Well... still nothing concrete but Car and Driver had mentioned they heard it would be the 3.5l, twin turbo, for 09 on the speed 6. Its what they are going to use on the new MKS or whatever the heck its called. Thats all I've heard so far.

[kickniteasy]

I really like it.....reminds me a lot of a lexus IS, very sporty but classy design, well done mazda!

[CHICO2003]

Now THAT's how it's done. (I'm talking to you Honda.)

[whitemp5seattle]

I like!

[MS3ICA]

very nice!!!! , now lets see the new speeeeeed version :)

[cleanme]

Here are some hi-res versions http://www.bcopping.com/frontaut.jpg
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http://www.bcopping.com/front.jpg
http://www.bcopping.com/frontwheel.jpg
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http://www.bcopping.com/side.jpg
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http://www.bcopping.com//topblur.jpg
http://www.bcopping.com//topfront.jpg

Looks pretty good to me!

[mountjonas]

Now THAT's how it's done. (I'm talking to you Honda.)
seriously...

i think it looks great. i'd really love it of they brought over the wagon in a standard transmission.

anyone know if this is based off the new mondeo platform?

[2URBO6]

The exterior is nothing to drool over but I have seen some interior pics and they are nice! It has gauges similar to the 3's and the center console is way more attractive.

Here are some more pics:

http://www.km77.com/00/mazda/6/g02.asp

[the gamper]

seriously...

i think it looks great. i'd really love it of they brought over the wagon in a standard transmission.

anyone know if this is based off the new mondeo platform?

It is based on the Mondeo platform. It is larger than the outgoing model but is also lighter. I am still wanting concrete answer to whether the standard V6 model will get the 3.5 or 3.7 V6. The 3.7 would put it right at the top of the competition. However, the 3.5 would likely leave it somewhere behind the Nissan VQ engines, Toyota's 3.5 Camry, Honda's V6 Accord and even GM's 3.6 as found in the Aura, upcoming Malibu.

With a lighter car, a few tricks and gearing Mazda could possibly be in the mix with the 3.5. But I would hate to see a repeat of the Mazda6 getting bested by all the other midsized V6s as happened when the current version came out with the 3.0.

[Mazda3]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!
Where do I sign!!
Love the front end and grille!!

And Lighter!! That should quiet down some of the haters. The new 6 will be lighter and out handle the current version. Together with a longer wheelbase and more room. This will replace our Mazda 3 in the garage next summer when the lease is up, it will look good beside the CX-7 :)

[mountjonas]

i'd sacrifice a little power for driving dynamics and style. i'm sure the mazdaspeed6 would give it hp bragging rights.

[camrycev6]

I think it looks nice...reminds me of the new Camry...just slightly better.

[Mazda3]

The exterior is nothing to drool over but I have seen some interior pics and they are nice! It has gauges similar to the 3's and the center console is way more attractive.

Here are some more pics:

http://www.km77.com/00/mazda/6/g02.asp

Cosmetics are always subjective I guess. I think the Exterior is amazing. Looks like the Infiniti G35 except more aggresive. The gauges are out of the CX-9.

[nate0123]

I think it looks nice...reminds me of the new Camry...just slightly better.this thing is light years better looking than that train-wreck of a new camry

[BlackCherry06]

I will say this....it looks a helluva lot better than the new Accord. Is the 3.7 currently being used in anything? Future engine for the CX-9?

[Mazda3]

It is based on the Mondeo platform. It is larger than the outgoing model but is also lighter. I am still wanting concrete answer to whether the standard V6 model will get the 3.5 or 3.7 V6. The 3.7 would put it right at the top of the competition. However, the 3.5 would likely leave it somewhere behind the Nissan VQ engines, Toyota's 3.5 Camry, Honda's V6 Accord and even GM's 3.6 as found in the Aura, upcoming Malibu.

With a lighter car, a few tricks and gearing Mazda could possibly be in the mix with the 3.5. But I would hate to see a repeat of the Mazda6 getting bested by all the other midsized V6s as happened when the current version came out with the 3.0.

Your right!!
Mazda needs to not stop at 90% like they usually do and finish the job. The 3.7L with 278 HP would totally trump card the competition. Mazdas past record would indicate they will make the mistake of stopping short and going with the 3.5L 263 HP engine. Lets all hope somebody pulls their head out of their ass and finishes the job!!!

[Parad0x01]

Man a v6 twin turbo MS6? I would trade mine sooo fast!

[2URBO6]

Cosmetics are always subjective I guess. I think the Exterior is amazing. Looks like the Infiniti G35 except more aggresive. The gauges are out of the CX-9.
I haven't checked out the CX-9 yet... Looks great and glad to see the 6 is getting it. Both the Nav display and the MP3 changer look nice in the console too.

[Mazda3]

I will say this....it looks a helluva lot better than the new Accord. Is the 3.7 currently being used in anything? Future engine for the CX-9?

The 2008 CX-9 has a 3.7L with different cams thats rated at 273 HP and 270 TQ.

The 3.7L with the regular cams would be 278 HP and 263 TQ which would rock in this lighter 6, especially with a 6 spd Manual transmission.

[Mazda3]

Man a v6 twin turbo MS6? I would trade mine sooo fast!

2010 model year my friend :)

[Perro del Sol]

This will be the 2009 model, there will be no Speed 6, two years only for all Speed vehicles.

[camrycev6]

this thing is light years better looking than that train-wreck of a new camry

I wouldn't go light years better, maybe light seconds.

[crashkelly]

from the first pic it looks just like a toyota solara...IMO the current speed6 looks way better

[camrycev6]

At least someone sees something similar to what I am seeing...

[Killer]

Nice conservative redesign. I wonder what engine options they will have???

[Mazda3]

I don't see any Camry there. I see Infiniti G35 if anything, except more agressive. Looks fantastic!!! Way better than the existing 6 and speed 6.

[Mazda3]

Nice conservative redesign. I wonder what engine options they will have???

2.5L 4cyl with 180 HP in base model for sure. Waiting to see if someone at Mazda will grows some balls and finish the job by going to the 3.7L V6, instead of be conservitive and putting in the 3.5L. My connections either don't know or won't tell, they are playing dumb. I don't know if they will release the NA specs or just the European specs at Frankfurt next week.

[nate0123]

I wouldn't go light years better, maybe light seconds.light years

not to mention, weighing in less than the current 6, and with the trademark mazda road feel and handling... it's a no-brainer!

[camrycev6]

light years

not to mention, weighing in less than the current 6, and with the trademark mazda road feel and handling... it's a no-brainer!

Woah...don't get me wrong! I only said it look similar to the Camry... I think it would handle and be a heck of a lot better overall.... I did buy a Mazda too you know...twice.

[nate0123]

Woah...don't get me wrong! I only said it look similar to the Camry... I think it would handle and be a heck of a lot better overall.... I did buy a Mazda too you know...twice.
me too ;)

[Mazda3]

4 times!! :)

[nate0123]

give me time, I'll buy more eventually :)

[camrycev6]

If you count the stolen one...I guess I really bought three!

[Killer]

2.5L 4cyl with 180 HP in base model for sure. Waiting to see if someone at Mazda will grows some balls and finish the job by going to the 3.7L V6, instead of be conservitive and putting in the 3.5L. My connections either don't know or won't tell, they are playing dumb. I don't know if they will release the NA specs or just the European specs at Frankfurt next week.Thanks!(cool)

[Seminole]

More pictues: http://www.autoblog.com/2007/09/06/2008-mazda6-breaks-early/


Sorry if it's been posted, I didn't go thru all 4 pages.

[chriscecc914]

I really like it.....reminds me a lot of a lexus IS, very sporty but classy design, well done mazda!

+1 thats exactly what i thought. looks like the is250

[Mazda3]

I have just confirmed with my sources, that the new 6 will get the 3.7L V6 with 278 HP!!!

Ford apparently didn't want to provide 3.5L v6's, because they were having trouble keeping up with the demand for their product. So this forced Mazda's hand. The 6 will get the Japanese built 3.7L engine. The 6 will get the original cam set-up with 278 HP, 263 TQ. Not the 273 HP, 270 TQ version in the CX-9.

Finally Mazda is doing it right the first time even if it was forced on them!!!

[daonly1around]

to make this ubber sweet they would need to make it independent rear and RWD!!!

[daonly1around]

i think the flares make it look like the new IS, but other than that i really don't see it resembling much of anything. heck the headlights kinda remind me of the 8's just turned on an axis (shrug)

[wannabe]

from the first pic it looks just like a toyota solara...IMO the current speed6 looks way better

indeed. and i'm hoping it stays that way because i can't afford to trade up...

[wannabe]

I have just confirmed with my sources, that the new 6 will get the 3.7L V6 with 278 HP!!!

Ford apparently didn't want to provide 3.5L v6's, because they were having trouble keeping up with the demand for their product. So this forced Mazda's hand. The 6 will get the Japanese built 3.7L engine. The 6 will get the original cam set-up with 278 HP, 263 TQ. Not the 273 HP, 270 TQ version in the CX-9.

Finally Mazda is doing it right the first time even if it was forced on them!!!

so a new 6s will have more hp than my speed....damn it.

[orlandomsp]

The new 6 looks killer! At this rate, a mazdaspeed wagon (please mazda) or sedan would have to be my next car.

[RedP5er]

From Car and Driver:

Unfortunately, the U.S. model, which may see the light of day at either November’s L.A. auto show or the Detroit auto show in January, will wear different sheetmetal. We're also told that it could ride on a completely different platform that the Euro-spec car. According to Mazda, this is because the North American car needs to “look bigger.” Car buyers, it says, think the current car looks too small in relation to other mid-size sedans.

http://www.caranddriver.com/autoshows/13664/2009-mazda-6.html?al=192

So we won't be getting this gorgeous Mazda6...(bang)

[daonly1around]

we should all threat to sale our cars over and over again dirt cheap to make the resale value of mazdas drop if they decide to not bring this car to the U.S.

[nate0123]

From Car and Driver:

Unfortunately, the U.S. model, which may see the light of day at either November’s L.A. auto show or the Detroit auto show in January, will wear different sheetmetal. We're also told that it could ride on a completely different platform that the Euro-spec car. According to Mazda, this is because the North American car needs to “look bigger.” Car buyers, it says, think the current car looks too small in relation to other mid-size sedans.

http://www.caranddriver.com/autoshows/13664/2009-mazda-6.html?al=192

So we won't be getting this gorgeous Mazda6...(bang)
What?!?!?

look bigger? those things look plenty big! not every car has to be a crown victoria

(fu)

[Donas64]

I think it looks nice...reminds me of the new Camry...just slightly better.

I'd like some of what you're smoking please :)

the camry looks like a freakin LADA compared to the new 6.

[Donas64]

I don't see any Camry there. I see Infiniti G35 if anything, except more agressive. Looks fantastic!!! Way better than the existing 6 and speed 6.

I see some lexus IS350.

[ottawaP5]

From Car and Driver:

Unfortunately, the U.S. model, which may see the light of day at either November’s L.A. auto show or the Detroit auto show in January, will wear different sheetmetal. We're also told that it could ride on a completely different platform that the Euro-spec car. According to Mazda, this is because the North American car needs to “look bigger.” Car buyers, it says, think the current car looks too small in relation to other mid-size sedans.

http://www.caranddriver.com/autoshows/13664/2009-mazda-6.html?al=192

So we won't be getting this gorgeous Mazda6...(bang)

I knew it was too good to be true! They better keep the same styling if they make it bigger. I don't get it, the current 6 is a perfect size. We don't need bigger.

[Donas64]

From Car and Driver:

Unfortunately, the U.S. model, which may see the light of day at either November’s L.A. auto show or the Detroit auto show in January, will wear different sheetmetal. We're also told that it could ride on a completely different platform that the Euro-spec car. According to Mazda, this is because the North American car needs to “look bigger.” Car buyers, it says, think the current car looks too small in relation to other mid-size sedans.

http://www.caranddriver.com/autoshows/13664/2009-mazda-6.html?al=192

So we won't be getting this gorgeous Mazda6...(bang)

For the love of car enthusiasts everywhere don't do it MAZDA!!!!

[orlandomsp]

Well, if true, this is a huge disappointment to say the least.

[mountjonas]

cock teasing bitches, i tell you...

[orlandomsp]

cock teasing bitches, i tell you...

(werd)

[wannabe]

I knew it was too good to be true! They better keep the same styling if they make it bigger. I don't get it, the current 6 is a perfect size. We don't need bigger.

it is weird though, people i know who drive small cars say that my speed is huge.
people that drive mid-size say my car is small...so i guess it is kinda in between...

[Mazda3]

From Car and Driver:

Unfortunately, the U.S. model, which may see the light of day at either November’s L.A. auto show or the Detroit auto show in January, will wear different sheetmetal. We're also told that it could ride on a completely different platform that the Euro-spec car. According to Mazda, this is because the North American car needs to “look bigger.” Car buyers, it says, think the current car looks too small in relation to other mid-size sedans.

http://www.caranddriver.com/autoshows/13664/2009-mazda-6.html?al=192

So we won't be getting this gorgeous Mazda6...(bang)

This is not an accurate statement. While the NA version will possibly have some "slightly" different cosmetics it will be the same platform and the same size as the one in the pics. When I say slight, I mean the grille might be different or something like that, but the car will be the same.

[Antonio DiMarco]

From Car and Driver:

Unfortunately, the U.S. model, which may see the light of day at either November’s L.A. auto show or the Detroit auto show in January, will wear different sheetmetal. We're also told that it could ride on a completely different platform that the Euro-spec car. According to Mazda, this is because the North American car needs to “look bigger.” Car buyers, it says, think the current car looks too small in relation to other mid-size sedans.

http://www.caranddriver.com/autoshows/13664/2009-mazda-6.html?al=192

So we won't be getting this gorgeous Mazda6...(bang)

Jesus, why is it that everyone likes to over generalize Americans as fat and lazy i.e. requiring large cars to move their buts around. The car I see is beautiful, hopefully someone at Mazda will realize that they shouldn't try to compete with Camry and Honda. They need to follow their own path. Look at the 3. It's 10 times better than the Honda and Toyota conterparts. I say forget making the American 6 bigger and stay the course. Who knows Mazda maybe surprised by how many smart, lithe Americans there are over here :-)

[RedP5er]

This is not an accurate statement. While the NA version will possibly have some "slightly" different cosmetics it will be the same platform and the same size as the one in the pics. When I say slight, I mean the grille might be different or something like that, but the car will be the same.

I really really really hope you are right. I understand some cosmetic changes are necessary to make it road legal in the US. Mazda, please don't mess this up.

[bazooka joe]

there goes the weight savings!!!!!!!!!!!!!(notcool)

[ottawaP5]

Is the model shown roughly the same size as the current 6?

[mazpro]

did anyone read the second page? (usa)(gun)

As for the Mazdaspeed 6, which is also gone for ’08, let's just say it’s on hiatus until the new 6 gets its legs. We see a direct-injection, turbocharged V-6 with all-wheel drive in its future, similar (although probably not identical) to the system found in the upcoming Lincoln MKS. The all-wheel-drive variant will likely appear along with a hybrid within a year of the U.S. version’s debut.

Expect even more acute handling, as well as a choice of more-potent four-cylinder and V-6 engines under the hood, the latter being the corporate 3.5-liter of about 260 horsepower (as found in many other FoMoCo products).

[xgeoffx801]

i hear they're dropping the speed version.http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070821/FREE/70820007&SearchID=73291025791639

[Killer]

i hear they're dropping the speed version.http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070821/FREE/70820007&SearchID=73291025791639

Welcome to page one of the thread.

[Raynman]

i hear they're dropping the speed version.http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070821/FREE/70820007&SearchID=73291025791639

Mazdaspeed versions are released near the end of a product life. Expect a Mazdaspeed version to return near the end of the 2nd generation 6's life.

[the gamper]

I read about the possibility for different sheetmetal and seperate platform last night and have been fuming ever since. If we get some craptastic carryover with new sheetmetal instead of this beauty the rest of the world gets, I am done with Mazda.

I really dont think a seperate platform would be cost effective for Mazda. The Accord does it, (Euro Accord is Acura TSX), but the Accord sells in huge volumes 250K per year, the 6 is nowhere near that.

I am worried though becuase the reason Americans have been deprived of some of Ford's best products like the Mondeo, Euro Focus, etc is because the platforms are deemed too expensive for American tastes. If that is the case here, the only way to make a totally seperate model for North America cost effective is to recycle and stretch the current platform and give it similar sheetmetal to what we have seen with the World Model. In the end it may be an improvement over the current model, but if I read one review of a Euro spec Mazda6 vs a North American Spec 6 and the authors gush at how much better the Eurospec version is, Mazda can keep their car, no way I am buying some second hand watered down version. I might be getting upset over nothing, but this is really make or break for Mazda with alot of its fans.

Give us the real deal Mazda!

[altspace]

It all started here. MAZDA specific auto news.

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123679289

[Foolish]

I have a very hard time believing that they'll do a different model for the U.S.

Mazda just generally doesn't have a lot of different models in production. It would be a huge waste of resources, money and effort for them to split the 6 into two completely different bodies/platforms for different markets.

I think someone is mistaken about this.

[mazpro]

I have a very hard time believing that they'll do a different model for the U.S.

Mazda just generally doesn't have a lot of different models in production. It would be a huge waste of resources, money and effort for them to split the 6 into two completely different bodies/platforms for different markets.

I think someone is mistaken about this.

yeah, I am thinking the same thing. they have never done this anyways, it's always been basically the same car just different options and names

[wongpres]

Headlight detail, grille detail, front bumper detail, and taillight detail will all be different for N. American-spec. Rear license plate will be mounted on the trunk (e.g. current Mazda6).

The N. American-spec Mazda6 sedan rear is like the new IS with CX-9 taillights.

[2005sp23]

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070821/FREE/70820007/1530/FREE

autoweek is saying the US will only get the sedan, no more hatchback or wagon... anyone heard otherwise? i love the look of the wagon and it would definitely be on my list of replacement cars if it were avail. w/ a manual tranny. if they don't bring it over, there basicallly won't be any mid-size wagons for sale in the US anymore since the legacy wagon was cancelled also (the only have the outback now)

the hatch was another thing that made the car unique against accords/camrys. oh well.

maybe we'll end up in a CX-5 if those are nice and reasonably priced...

[Foolish]

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070821/FREE/70820007/1530/FREE

autoweek is saying the US will only get the sedan, no more hatchback or wagon...


That would seriously piss me off. The wagon is the best looking of the three!

[brucy]

Just saw a spy shot on thecarconnection.com that was took in Detroit and i have to say that the car looks pretty similar to what we saw in the pictures
revealed yesterday.

[Rotary_Powered]

Jesus, why is it that everyone likes to over generalize Americans as fat and lazy i.e. requiring large cars to move their buts around.... I say forget making the American 6 bigger and stay the course. Who knows Mazda maybe surprised by how many smart, lithe Americans there are over here :-)
Sad but somewhat true :( Still we already have larger cars, so just leave sexy lightweight Mazdas be!
wikipedia.....
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l115/Latino_Drifter/Bmi30chart.png

[ebmp5]

Nice!!!

[kickniteasy]

Sad but somewhat true :( Still we already have larger cars, so just leave sexy lightweight Mazdas be!
wikipedia.....
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l115/Latino_Drifter/Bmi30chart.png

hahahaha, owned!

[chuyler1]

After looking at the photos, I've got mixed opinions about it. The interior isn't bad but I am partial to the 06 interior. I like the 3 round vents in my MS6 and would be disappointed with the plain old square vents in this new model. Although 2-tone colored dash lights are the fad right now they are horrible for night driving. Blue is too distracting and I'd much prefer all red lighting.

As far as the exterior goes, I find it much less bold and sporty compared to the original 2003 release of the Mazda6. The lines are smoothed out and there is very little 'edge' to it except for the fender flares over the front wheels which to me looks silly at certain angles. I just don't think this car screams "zoom zoom" like the previous model.

[misbehave]

I see BMW/Lexus/Acura sweating.

[misbehave]

4 times!! :)

Since November 2002, my hidden last name has become MAZDA!

[misbehave]

From Car and Driver:

Unfortunately, the U.S. model, which may see the light of day at either November’s L.A. auto show or the Detroit auto show in January, will wear different sheetmetal. We're also told that it could ride on a completely different platform that the Euro-spec car. According to Mazda, this is because the North American car needs to “look bigger.” Car buyers, it says, think the current car looks too small in relation to other mid-size sedans.

http://www.caranddriver.com/autoshows/13664/2009-mazda-6.html?al=192

So we won't be getting this gorgeous Mazda6...(bang)

We should all stop wanting bigger cars, man!

[ottawaP5]

I see BMW/Lexus/Acura sweating.

I don't think this car will put a dent in those sales...it will be more for the Accord/Camry market. Someone who drives/wants an Acura/BMW/Lexus isn't going to consider Mazda, no matter how nice the car is.

[Newf]

if this is what we get.....hmmmm, might be another mazda in my future. Good timing as I was about to jump ship. But, if the car is much bigger then the existing 6, I'm going to have a really hard to time convincing the woman to get it. She already thinks the 6 is too big for us. Of course, if I have reliability issues with this MS6 as well, I'll be saying goodbye to Mazda and never looking back.

The 08 Honda is BUTT FUCKING UGLY next to this.

[Shawn704]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y283/prettyhairshawn/MazdaLengthCompa.jpg

I did this size comparison to the Volvo S80, which also sits on the EUCD platform. It doesn't seem that much longer than the current model because the S80 is 191 inches long with a 111.3 wheelbase. I shrunk both pictures to the same size using the wheels as the reference point, the Volvo's are 18 inches and I'm assuming the Mazda's are 18inches also.

[wongpres]

I've posted the euro-specs and notes about the N. American model of the Mazda6 from the Frankfurt press release here:

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3383289&postcount=7

[Raymo853]

My hopes are dashed at the news the US market will not get either the wagon or five door AND this whole re-design of the sheet metal & end caps to make it look bigger for US tastes.

[RHAGEL]

I have to say that I am pretty damn excited. Looks great, still has a manual tranny, a nicely powered v-6 and is actually lighter. To me it looks like a Mazda 3 meets Lexus IS. Good job Mazda.

[ccMSP]

Did this quick comparison of a North American test mule and the European model just released. From the side shot it looks like the NA model may be a little longer in the front and rear, its hard to tell because the angle is slightly off. From the back the license plate location is different and the exhaust tips are like the CX-9's. I can't really tell much from the front, so hopefully that wont differ very much.

http://www.msprotege.com/members/ccMSP/6_Side.jpg
http://www.msprotege.com/members/ccMSP/6_SideRearSm.jpg

[nate0123]

Aww damn, they DID make it a lot longer, but it's all in the overhangs! (rant)

The proportions are so nice in the European model, but those overhangs are going to kill the whole look - it's gonna look like another Avalon or Maxima with endless overhangs that do nothing but take up space and make the car more difficult to maneuver and park

I guess this will not be a car to lust after



http://z.about.com/d/cars/1/0/s/9/pp_05avalon_ftq.jpg

[fourthmeal]

1986 RX-7
1986 B2000
1999 Protege ES
2007 MS3
2008 Trib

That's 5 so far!

Guys, this car is very attractive. Especially the muscular, RX-8-like fender flares, and the clean look of the grille. Don't know if anybody noticed it, but the smoothed parrallelogram look of the grille's holes is a match to the headlights, taillights, and front bumper treatments. very nice.

[nate0123]

1986 RX-7
1986 B2000
1999 Protege ES
2007 MS3
2008 Trib

That's 5 so far!

Guys, this car is very attractive. Especially the muscular, RX-8-like fender flares, and the clean look of the grille. Don't know if anybody noticed it, but the smoothed parrallelogram look of the grille's holes is a match to the headlights, taillights, and front bumper treatments. very nice.
did you miss the part about us not getting this model in north america?

[fourthmeal]

did you miss the part about us not getting this model in north america?


I'm a believer that they are going to simply elongate the beak and the ass...the elegance should be close.

[nate0123]

http://www.msprotege.com/members/ccMSP/6_Side.jpg

in this comparison the "beak and ass" are clearly longer - and I think the "elegance" won't be close, unfortunately

[daonly1around]

i dont get it, why did they redesign a car but keep the same wheels from previous models?

[Killer]

i dont get it, why did they redesign a car but keep the same wheels from previous models?

More than likely new wheels will be added before actual release and sale.

[daonly1around]

More than likely new wheels will be added before actual release and sale.

they better, because those are fugly

[Foolish]

Probably needs bigger bumpers for the us market, like the P5 rear bumper in the US vs. JDM.

[fourthmeal]

Good point. Silly americans with our 5 star ratings cravings, instead of a nicer look.

[Kooldino]

Looks like a nice step up.

[nate0123]

Good point. Silly americans with our 5 star ratings cravings, instead of a nicer look.
Yea, but if Mazda wanted the North American model to look like the European model, I'm sure they could have reverse engineered it to meet whatever standards N.A. has.

According to CarandDriver, the difference is to satisfy the perceived desire of Americans wanting a "larger-looking" car. Total crock, as far as I'm concerned. You don't have to be everything to everyone.

[misbehave]

And I thought the current trend is people buying more smaller cars.

[ch77]

Perhaps the US needs bigger bumpers because no one watches the road when they are driving - it's simple if you think about it. My dad has been rear-ended 4 times in the past 2 months, and he's an excellent driver. I don't know if statistics would agree with me, but I tend to think we have some of the worst drivers here in the US - on average.

The MS6 is the best looking 6 anyway.

[chuyler1]

No matter how you run the stats, the US falls into the bad driver category. We drive more miles than any other nation. Bumpers won't save us...driver education and re-education will. Novice drivers need more training and old drivers need refresher courses and road tests to make sure they are still competent behind the wheel. ...but that's a topic for another thread.

[anarchistchiken]

Looks like a cross between a 3, a Lexus, and a G6. Meh, maybe it'll grow on me.

[misbehave]

No matter how you run the stats, the US falls into the bad driver category. We drive more miles than any other nation. Bumpers won't save us...driver education and re-education will. Novice drivers need more training and old drivers need refresher courses and road tests to make sure they are still competent behind the wheel. ...but that's a topic for another thread.

100% agree. The sales figure of SUV and Camry is the proof.
The only 2 countries that have worse driver than US I know of is only China and Mexico.

[wongpres]

Here's an image of the new Mazda Atenza Sport that will be launched at the Tokyo autoshow later this month.

This is the sport-package version of the Mazda6, with the sport grille, sport front & rear bumpers, and spoiler

This is not the same as what will be the N. American-version (but again, similar).

[Raynman]

Mazda Tokyo Motor Show site:
http://www.mazda.com/motorshow/

Here's the rear view:
http://www.mazda.com/motorshow/img/ttl_index.jpg

Not sure how I feel about the tail lights, but I'm definitely feeling the bumper finisher. I like the wing design, and I must say that the hatchback curves still gets me every time. I definitely like how the fender flares out at the wheel arches. It seems more pronounced in the Tokyo release. I think the foglight sliver trim is too busy and distracting, and I can't say that I like the snowflake wheels Mazda has been producing of late. Overall, I like this one better than the Frankfurt model.

Now if we can only get some info on how it performs...

[Donas64]

Here's an image of the new Mazda Atenza Sport that will be launched at the Tokyo autoshow later this month.

This is the sport-package version of the Mazda6, with the sport grille, sport front & rear bumpers, and spoiler

This is not the same as what will be the N. American-version (but again, similar).

smokin!

I'm in love again.

[CalgaryMS6]

Damn, that's hawt.

[chuyler1]

That grill is much more my style...very similar to the speed6. However it is a hatch...which makes me wonder if North America will get it at all since they have discontinued the wagon and hatch here. I'd also expect the North American version to end up with a 3" monster truck wheel gap just like the MS6.

[CantCMe]

+1

[BrandM by Mazda]

Did someone say they knew where the NA debut was going to be? I should probably know this but... The LA Autoshow is next month, the question is if they are going to be ready in time. I can't wait to see what it looks like in person.

[mrlilguy157]

looks like a big lexus is

[CX-7owner]

While the front is really great, the rear looks like a Sebring!

[wongpres]

More pictures of the new Mazda Atenza family:

http://www.carview.co.jp/tms/2007/preview_car/mazda_atenza/default.asp

[mazpro]

video of the new Mazda 6...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdqJ4XzmDuo

[mattyp747]

here is the video:

http://www.braptv.com/play.php?vid=98

and the pics:

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9073/mazda6500iw3.jpg

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/7263/mazda6026ls3.jpg

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/8972/autoblogmazda6041up5.jpg

The wagon looks AWSOME :D but the sedan looks pretty average in my opinion, the front looks like a cross between an RX8 and a Toyota Camry...

[Supervirgo]

I may be the only one here that thinks this, I don't like it at all! I am not a fan of the bulbous fenders with headlights on them. I do not like the CX-7 or the CX-9. Just my opinion dont shoot me. I think the rims are sharp though might try to find them on ebay in a few years or so for my speed6

[Raynman]

They get kinda sidetracked a bit but the boys at Top Gear like the current 6 and the next gen 6:

http://www.topgear.com/content/videos/videos/130/chooseconnection.html

[Donas64]

They get kinda sidetracked a bit but the boys at Top Gear like the current 6 and the next gen 6:

http://www.topgear.com/content/videos/videos/130/chooseconnection.html

They loved the MS6 also. Or mazda MPS as it's called across the pond. The wife and I test drove a 6 over the weekend. A red 6s 5 door and she very much liked it. But no new cars until the current ones are paid off.

[Killer]

that wagon is sweet. The lease is up on our 6i next march...I hope we get that wagon here!

[Spinout]

In this link there is alot of pictures.
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2008-mazda6-2/

I think that this new Mazda 6 is very nice.
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/09/autoblog-mazda-6-003.jpg

[scnzzz]

To tell you the truth, the wagon looks hot, and it's great that it's lighter. My problem with the new one is this. THe new 6 (sedan) looks too much like its competition (which, in all honesty, is not Lexus and Infiniti, but Honda/Toyota/Nissan, and shoot me now for the sacrilege, but also the new Aura/Malibu). The current generation is truly distinguished and looks obviously more like a driver's car than it's current competition - the new one fails that test IMO.

And if Mazda overproduces these like the current gen, I fear that this will be even more of a (pretty) fleet car.

[chuyler1]

I agree, the profile of the wagon looks mad hot, especially that black one a few posts up. I'm not crazy about the larger grill though and the bottom half of the front facad looks too busy. I guess I'd have to see it in person but when I first saw photos of the 2003 Mazda6 I was sold in an instant. Not so with this model.

[mountjonas]

Any pics of the US 6? It's going to be a totally different car, no?

[chuyler1]

Yes...it will be fat and ugly from what I have heard :(

[berad]

UGH!!!! It looks like a Toyota Solara....wtf>!?

[3+5]

You nailed it, Berad. I knew it was too familiar looking, but that's it, the Solara. Luckily it isn't as weird looking, but IMO:
I find the front fenders are ok, but the trim is awful. Too busy with the overlapping geometric light surrounds, too much chrome, looks like little bits of stuff would fall off it. Grille's way too big, too. Overall I don't like it, but I agree the wagon has got a great shape.

[CantCMe]

I'm still hoping this is the next MazdaSpeed6...
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/12/tas_ms6_1280_low_2.jpg.jpg

If it is, I can start paying for it RIGHT NOW!!!

[jaydubz]

If Mazda was smart they would continue to develop the DISI 2.3 and offer that as the upgraded engine. The DISI is a great platform and would establish the car as very robust performer. Not sure what Mazda would use as a base model engine but the DISI right off the bat would be a good choice compared to the thirsty for sourced V6.

[Raynman]

If Mazda was smart they would continue to develop the DISI 2.3 and offer that as the upgraded engine. The DISI is a great platform and would establish the car as very robust performer. Not sure what Mazda would use as a base model engine but the DISI right off the bat would be a good choice compared to the thirsty for sourced V6.

I don't think Mazda will source the Ford D35 engine. It just doesn't make a lot of business sense. Chances are they're going to use their own 3.7L MZI which they developed from the D35 and will be producing at Mazda's own plant.

[wannabe]

3.7 would be cool as shit.

[ZOOMit]

I agree, it does resemble the solara/lexus. And to me the interior looks like the newest civics...Which isnt a bad thing. The newest Honda Accord looks like a BMW. To each his own I guess. Still looks awesome, but how much does it weigh? Looks like they packed on the pounds.

[Raynman]

Still looks awesome, but how much does it weigh? Looks like they packed on the pounds.

The Euro and JDM models weigh just about the same as the previous generation L3 powered 6's.

[redspeed]

Man I like it a lot! And the wagon just looks sexy.

http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/Mazda/6/off1/Mazda_6_Frankfurt_042.jpg
http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/Mazda/6/off1/Mazda_6_Frankfurt_041.jpg

[chisss]

forget it cuz it's not coming to the US

HIROSHIMA, Japan — Mazda Motor Corp.'s launch of the new Atenza for Japan does not foreshadow what is on tap for the 2009 Mazda 6 in the U.S., Mazda North American Operations spokesman Jeremy Barnes told Inside Line.

"The Mazda 6 will be designed and engineered for the U.S." Barnes said. "It will be on sale later this year as an '09 model." He added that the Atenza, which was unveiled in Japan on Tuesday, "doesn't hint at what we'll get in the U.S." He would not divulge specifications, only saying that "the car we'll get in the U.S. will continue to be built in Flat Rock [Michigan]."

The Japan version of the Atenza is similar to the one launched in Europe late last year. The home market gets an Atenza that is available in three body styles: a sedan, a five-door hatchback and a sport wagon. It is equipped with the MZR 2.5-liter four-cylinder engine mated to either a five-speed or six-speed automatic transmission. The new Atenza is larger than its predecessor, but with a reduced overall vehicle weight. Prices on the Atenza range from the equivalent of $19,350 for the sedan to $24,950 for a top-of-the-line sport wagon model.

What this means to you: At least we know what not to expect here. — Anita Lienert, Correspondent

[Killer]

forget it cuz it's not coming to the US

HIROSHIMA, Japan — Mazda Motor Corp.'s launch of the new Atenza for Japan does not foreshadow what is on tap for the 2009 Mazda 6 in the U.S., Mazda North American Operations spokesman Jeremy Barnes told Inside Line.

"The Mazda 6 will be designed and engineered for the U.S." Barnes said. "It will be on sale later this year as an '09 model." He added that the Atenza, which was unveiled in Japan on Tuesday, "doesn't hint at what we'll get in the U.S." He would not divulge specifications, only saying that "the car we'll get in the U.S. will continue to be built in Flat Rock [Michigan]."

The Japan version of the Atenza is similar to the one launched in Europe late last year. The home market gets an Atenza that is available in three body styles: a sedan, a five-door hatchback and a sport wagon. It is equipped with the MZR 2.5-liter four-cylinder engine mated to either a five-speed or six-speed automatic transmission. The new Atenza is larger than its predecessor, but with a reduced overall vehicle weight. Prices on the Atenza range from the equivalent of $19,350 for the sedan to $24,950 for a top-of-the-line sport wagon model.

What this means to you: At least we know what not to expect here. — Anita Lienert, Correspondent If you would perhaps read before posting you would realize that we all (Except you) know that the US version will indeed be different.

[chisss]

ok forget it... no need to be so harsh... jeez...

[Raynman]

The question is how different? I, for one, think it won't be that drastically different. Departing too much from the original design gets in the way of achieving economies of scale - something that Mullally has been keen to achieve. I don't think Mazda is keen on making the same pitfalls that Ford encountered with regard to multiple versions for multiple markets.

[Killer]

ok forget it... no need to be so harsh... jeez...

I was harsh because you cross posted this same article 3 times across the board. with the title "No new 6 or Atenza for the US"...that is why I was harsh.

:)

[Killer]

The question is how different? I, for one, think it won't be that drastically different. Departing too much from the original design gets in the way of achieving economies of scale - something that Mullally has been keen to achieve. I don't think Mazda is keen on making the same pitfalls that Ford encountered with regard to multiple versions for multiple markets.

Agreed.

[Mazda Premacy]

it's comming out in taiwan and only comes with a 2.0 or 2.5L engine in automatic. sedan and hatch version.

wonder what kind of mods there is for the 2.5 engine?

[SNike05]

Very nice reminds me of a lexus, i'm sure its been said.

[whitemp5seattle]

saw a few new 6 sedans in Israel last week when I was there for work...they're beautiful!

[misbehave]

Check out these under shot pics of the new Mazda6.
http://carview-img01.bmcdn.jp/cvmaterials/magazine/photo_impression/2008/mazda_atenza/15_l.jpg
http://carview-img01.bmcdn.jp/cvmaterials/magazine/photo_impression/2008/mazda_atenza/41_l.jpg
http://carview-img01.bmcdn.jp/cvmaterials/magazine/photo_impression/2008/mazda_atenza/42_l.jpg

[tunersteve]

I've heard they'll be hitting the streets soon in my neck of the woods so I'll keep a camera ready and let you know if I see anything.

[RedP5er]

The question is how different? I, for one, think it won't be that drastically different. Departing too much from the original design gets in the way of achieving economies of scale - something that Mullally has been keen to achieve. I don't think Mazda is keen on making the same pitfalls that Ford encountered with regard to multiple versions for multiple markets.

I think it would be quite different. Early spy pics and other info indicate that the US version will larger, with longer overhang. I truly hope that it isn't true but I am not keeping my hopes up.

[Raynman]

I think it would be quite different. Early spy pics and other info indicate that the US version will larger, with longer overhang. I truly hope that it isn't true but I am not keeping my hopes up.

Well heres the thing: Park a first gen USDM 6 next to a first gen JDM Atenza and one would notice that they're not drastically different from each other despite the USDM version being a bit longer. I would think it would be the same case with the second gen.

http://www.dieselstation.com/wallpapers/Mazda-6/Mazda-6-012.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/raynman/mazda%206/IMG_2693.jpg

[RedP5er]

Well heres the thing: Park a first gen USDM 6 next to a first gen JDM Atenza and one would notice that they're not drastically different from each other despite the USDM version being a bit longer. I would think it would be the same case with the second gen.


Oh, no doubt about it for the first gen and the US version is longer mainly due to bumper size. However, my point is that it most likely wouldn't be the case for the 2nd gen. The US version will look similar to the European and Japanese version, but larger (i.e. longer wheelbase) to accommodate Americans' need (bigger behind).

To quote info posted by chisss earlier:


HIROSHIMA, Japan — Mazda Motor Corp.'s launch of the new Atenza for Japan does not foreshadow what is on tap for the 2009 Mazda 6 in the U.S., Mazda North American Operations spokesman Jeremy Barnes told Inside Line.

"The Mazda 6 will be designed and engineered for the U.S." Barnes said. "It will be on sale later this year as an '09 model." He added that the Atenza, which was unveiled in Japan on Tuesday, "doesn't hint at what we'll get in the U.S."


The statement is pretty vague, so we'll see. Again, I do think we are getting a larger 6. If that's really the case, thumbs down to Mazda.

Another indication about the larger US version:

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3383289&postcount=7


North America
There will be a dedicated new Mazda6 for the North American market, designed and engineered specifically for North America.


This is posted on page 7 of this thread. They don't look the same size to me.

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3389496&postcount=97

[martind511]

Hi, I just found this forum as I am totally new to Mazda and was trying to find out a bit more information about the 2008 Mazda 6 and I find it really weird that the US hasn't got this car yet???? (I thought everything came out in the US first). I had a test drive of the new 6 the other day as I am due a new company car and I have ordered a new 2008 Mazda 6 Sport 5-door hatchback with the 2.0 Diesel Engine. It looks really great in the flesh and cruises quite happily at 100mph on the motorway (which is where the car will spend most of its life). Anyway, I will post pics when I get it.

[redspeed]

Hi, I just found this forum as I am totally new to Mazda and was trying to find out a bit more information about the 2008 Mazda 6 and I find it really weird that the US hasn't got this car yet???? (I thought everything came out in the US first). I had a test drive of the new 6 the other day as I am due a new company car and I have ordered a new 2008 Mazda 6 Sport 5-door hatchback with the 2.0 Diesel Engine. It looks really great in the flesh and cruises quite happily at 100mph on the motorway (which is where the car will spend most of its life). Anyway, I will post pics when I get it.

Oh yeah, we need pics!

[Cerberus51]

I'm sure it's been said but that is the 2009 Mazda 6 not 2008

[Raynman]

A longer wheelbase means a modifying the already revised CD3 platform, which in turn is a step away from achieving economies of scale and better cost structures.

You might be right, but man that would be a tough sell to Mazda and the Ford mothership especially when Mullally is desperately trying to find cost efficiencies.


Oh, no doubt about it for the first gen and the US version is longer mainly due to bumper size. However, my point is that it most likely wouldn't be the case for the 2nd gen. The US version will look similar to the European and Japanese version, but larger (i.e. longer wheelbase) to accommodate Americans' need (bigger behind).

To quote info posted by chisss earlier:



The statement is pretty vague, so we'll see. Again, I do think we are getting a larger 6. If that's really the case, thumbs down to Mazda.

Another indication about the larger US version:

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3383289&postcount=7



This is posted on page 7 of this thread. They don't look the same size to me.

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3389496&postcount=97

[Shawn704]

A longer wheelbase means a modifying the already revised CD3 platform, which in turn is a step away from achieving economies of scale and better cost structures.

You might be right, but man that would be a tough sell to Mazda and the Ford mothership especially when Mullally is desperately trying to find cost efficiencies.

Maybe the revised CD3 is made more flexible. The CUVs and Mazda 8 (Japanese MPV) version of the CD3 all have flexible wheelbases ranging from 116.1 inches in the Mazda8 to 111.2 inches in the Ford Edge, the CX-9 is at 113.2 inches. While at it, the EUCD platform is also flexible, almost every single EUCD based Volvo or European Ford all have varying wheelbases.

[unwritten-dinas]

Sorry guys, i never posted much here and less now since my Mazda 323 (Protege) was totalled 2 months ago, anyways here in Dominican Republic (Caribbean) we have had the new 2009 Mazda6 since March 13 when it was officially released. Here is a link to one selling here at a local dealer

http://super-carros.com/reg/do/usados_ficha.aspx?id=87664&listurl=usados_advlist.aspx%3flian%3dphobos%26prov ince%3dignore%26marcaUH%3d40%26marcaU%3d91%26model oU%3d770%26cartype%3dignore%26vs_price_rd_min%3d0% 26vs_price_rd_max%3d9000000%26vs_ano_min%3d1980%26 vs_ano_max%3d2008%26page%3d

That one is the entry-level with the 2.0L

Here's of another one at other local dealer but this is the full version with 2.5L

http://super-carros.com/reg/do/usados_ficha.aspx?id=85033&listurl=usados_advlist.aspx%3flian%3dphobos%26prov ince%3dignore%26marcaUH%3d40%26marcaU%3d91%26model oU%3d770%26cartype%3dignore%26vs_price_rd_min%3d0% 26vs_price_rd_max%3d9000000%26vs_ano_min%3d1980%26 vs_ano_max%3d2008%26page%3d


Here in D.R we get cars with JDM/EDM specs, but always left-hand drive so we usually get less-powerfull engines that you guys dont as well as the ones you get. Hope you like the pics, personally i've been inside the car and it feels AWSOME.

[misbehave]

Sorry guys, i never posted much here and less now since my Mazda 323 (Protege) was totalled 2 months ago, anyways here in Dominican Republic (Caribbean) we have had the new 2009 Mazda6 since March 13 when it was officially released. Here is a link to one selling here at a local dealer

http://super-carros.com/reg/do/usados_ficha.aspx?id=87664&listurl=usados_advlist.aspx%3flian%3dphobos%26prov ince%3dignore%26marcaUH%3d40%26marcaU%3d91%26model oU%3d770%26cartype%3dignore%26vs_price_rd_min%3d0% 26vs_price_rd_max%3d9000000%26vs_ano_min%3d1980%26 vs_ano_max%3d2008%26page%3d

That one is the entry-level with the 2.0L

Here's of another one at other local dealer but this is the full version with 2.5L

http://super-carros.com/reg/do/usados_ficha.aspx?id=85033&listurl=usados_advlist.aspx%3flian%3dphobos%26prov ince%3dignore%26marcaUH%3d40%26marcaU%3d91%26model oU%3d770%26cartype%3dignore%26vs_price_rd_min%3d0% 26vs_price_rd_max%3d9000000%26vs_ano_min%3d1980%26 vs_ano_max%3d2008%26page%3d


Here in D.R we get cars with JDM/EDM specs, but always left-hand drive so we usually get less-powerfull engines that you guys dont as well as the ones you get. Hope you like the pics, personally i've been inside the car and it feels AWSOME.

Post pics when you do get one please! :)

[unwritten-dinas]

Post pics when you do get one please! :)

Pics are on links i posted

[Max626]

so there not on the streets yet? If so i swore i saw one last week ....

[EDM6-zoom zoom]

I went to mazda on saturday they told me that they will have the 2009 mazda 6 this week. I was like cool and they were like should i call you when it gets here. I was like yea i will like to take it for a test drive, but i told them i am still wateing on that mazda speed 6 so dont stop looking for one for me. They said we will try to find one for me but i guess we will see.

[rapter]

OK wait a min, yeah 2009 Mazda 6 is coming out for sure. GOT IT.
but In all the mazda mags, they said that they are not sure if the Mazdaspeed 6 is gonna be EVEN made for 2009 or 2010. i mean that WOULD be sweet tho. and some ruomors going around that if they do make a mazdaspeed 6 that it wont be in Amercia, only in japan and Europe.
This is because the models are actually alittle bit dffierent the american one is a tad bigger, so they said it wont be worth it to make another sperate speed 6 just for america.
CAUSE I WANNA BUY one, but if this is true ill just the 2007 msp 6 which still looks really nice

But i found a Picture of the new mazdaSPEED 6 for 2009 if it comes out.

[wannabe]

there will probably NOT be a mazdaspeed version in the US, at least in the next couple years.

i feel like a broken record...

[Killer]

there will probably NOT be a mazdaspeed version in the US, at least in the next couple years.

i feel like a broken record...(rofl2)

[Raynman]

But i found a Picture of the new mazdaSPEED 6 for 2009 if it comes out.

That's not a Mazdaspeed6.

Read for more details:
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123698685&page=21
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123698685&page=22

Like Wannabe, I too feel like a broken record.

[tunersteve]

I feel ya man...(deadhorse

[rapter]

That's not a Mazdaspeed6.



Like Wannabe, I too feel like a broken record.

oh ok thanks for clarifying that for me man, so basically what is been said, which i can agree with is that this technically might not be a speed 6 or well it isnt casue there are no engine upgrades.
its just a mazda atenza/6 with a body kit.
and some nice rims. ( it still looks really nice tho).
and does anyone know if the new mazda 6, V6 engine is the ford engine, or is it mazdas?

so if i want a really speed 6, the 2007 model would be really the only one to go, but the new mazda 6 has 270 hp as well, V6 model and liter from what i heard. so whats gonna be faster, the speed 6 or the new Mazda 6 v6.????

[tunersteve]

oh ok thanks for clarifying that for me man, so basically what is been said, which i can agree with is that this technically might not be a speed 6 or well it isnt casue there are no engine upgrades.
its just a mazda atenza/6 with a body kit.
and some nice rims. ( it still looks really nice tho).
and does anyone know if the new mazda 6, V6 engine is the ford engine, or is it mazdas?

so if i want a really speed 6, the 2007 model would be really the only one to go, but the new mazda 6 has 270 hp as well, V6 model and liter from what i heard. so whats gonna be faster, the speed 6 or the new Mazda 6 v6.????

Driving both, the MS6 is still quicker. Edmunds times support this. 0-60 for the 2009 is 6.4, where the MS6 is about 5.4 or less. The 09 is a smoother acceleration, but its also an automatic.

[nate0123]

so if i want a really speed 6, the 2007 model would be really the only one to go, but the new mazda 6 has 270 hp as well, V6 model and liter from what i heard. so whats gonna be faster, the speed 6 or the new Mazda 6 v6.????
unless you like automatics, the new 6 V6 isn't even an option

[tunersteve]

unless you like automatics, the new 6 V6 isn't even an option

Granted I'm not one to drive an auto (haven't owned one yet), but the new 6's auto isn't all that bad. In manumatic, its very responsive, and it allows you to rev it pretty high even in D. I've driven plenty of slushboxes that were far worse than this.

[Raynman]

and does anyone know if the new mazda 6, V6 engine is the ford engine, or is it mazdas?

There's no clear answer to that one given that both companies share a lot of development with the engine. The engine in the 2G Mazda6 is essentially a Ford D35 that has been bored an extra 3mm to yield a displacement of 3.7L. Dubbed the MZI by Mazda, this power plant was first introduced in the CX-9. As far as I know, only Mazda's Ujina plant in Hiroshima, Japan produces the MZI.

so if i want a really speed 6, the 2007 model would be really the only one to go, but the new mazda 6 has 270 hp as well, V6 model and liter from what i heard. so whats gonna be faster, the speed 6 or the new Mazda 6 v6.????

Traditionally, Mazdaspeed vehicles are good indicators of the performance of the next gen vehicle. For example, the MS6 was around 270 hp and the 2g Mazda6 is around the same number.

Which one is faster? Tough to tell. There's not a lot of data on the 2G 6. Besides, the 2g Mazda6 is FWD and automatic (V6), while the MS6 is AWD and manual.

[Mazda3]

The stick and awd will definately get the Speed6 to 60 faster with a good driver, but after 60 MPH its probably pretty close.

Edmunds is the only ones to publish recorded times for the 09 V6 so far. They ran 0-60 in 6.4sec and 1/4 mile in 14.6sec. Edmunds is typically a little slower than Mototrend, they will probaly lay down 14.4-14.5sec. Most magazine ran the Speed6 14.0-14.3sec. Speed6 should be a little quicker down low.

Now as far as ride and handling they would be 2 completely different experiences.

[wannabe]

That's not a Mazdaspeed6.

Read for more details:
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123698685&page=21
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123698685&page=22

Like Wannabe, I too feel like a broken record.

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3966953&postcount=316


lol Ray. i <3 you man :)

[wannabe]

Traditionally, Mazdaspeed vehicles are good indicators of the performance of the next gen vehicle. For example, the MS6 was around 270 hp and the 2g Mazda6 is around the same number.


hm. i never noticed that, but you are correct. the msp was about 160 hp, the mazda3 with the 2.3 is 156.
the msm was 170 the newest mx5 is 166

so it looks like its always a couple less than the previous generation mazdaspeed version.

[Raynman]

lol Ray. i <3 you man :)

Come here, you!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/TwoMenHugging.jpg/800px-TwoMenHugging.jpg

Wait...no...

[rapter]

hm. i never noticed that, but you are correct. the msp was about 160 hp, the mazda3 with the 2.3 is 156.
the msm was 170 the newest mx5 is 166

so it looks like its always a couple less than the previous generation mazdaspeed version.

Yeah i never really noticed that either. hmmm!

Yeah the msp 6 willl probably be a bit faster just cause of awd and manual, not to mention turbo always gives it that extra kick.

And hey there is nothing wrong with Automatic, my protege is automatic. lol
when your lazy like me, its still fun.
i had a supercharged 626 in manual, and yeah it was fun.

but still yeah thats too bad they wont make the V6 in manual.

So does anyone KNOW what the next MAZDAPSEED will be?

[the gamper]

Without doing a full write up, the new 2009 Mazda6 V6 is no Speed6 in terms of handling. The manual shift mode is not worth the effort IMO, response time just isnt fast enough. The ride is difintely well controlled, steering and handling are still more precise than the average midsizer. Still I wouldnt say it is miles ahead of anything in its class. It is huge inside compared to the previous generation. It would be interesting to see this vs the new Accord. It is a very attractive car for sure, inside and out. It is difficult to tell how they accelerate compared to the Speed6, but I would say the Speed6 with an average driver would take it 10 out of 10 times from a stoplight. AWD would do wonders for this car. Give it AWD and a manual option in the V6, I think I would have no trouble making the upgrade.

My Speed6 and my tester.

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o229/jimesq/Mazdas.jpg
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o229/jimesq/Mazda62.jpg

[misbehave]

I still like the current one better (for now at least).

[CHICO2003]

Well, in all fairness, you can't exactly compare the new 6 to the old MS6. That would be like comparing a 3 to the MSP. Of course the MSP is faster and handles better. But overall, which car is better? Leaving aside such subjective things like looks and collectibility lol, the 3 is superior. (and I own an MSP!) Just like the new 6 is superior to the old. It's really not even close. If you own a 6 or MS6... put your bias aside and see the new car for what it is. A HUGE step up from the previous generation. Not everything is graded in terms of 0-60 times and slidpad ratings.

[pmh67]

I have a 2007 Speed 6 and just today at work saw the 09 6 with the V6...very nice looking but I'm the type of guy which likes low production numbers and speed/handling + AWD over other attributes...

I would be interested in a comparison between the new 09 Maxima to the 09 Mazda 6....

[nate0123]

If you own a 6 or MS6... put your bias aside and see the new car for what it is. A HUGE step up from the previous generation. Not everything is graded in terms of 0-60 times and slidpad ratings.I stopped by a mazda dealer just to see one in person. That thing will not be on my radar any more than an Avalon would be. The current 6 is well-proportioned, cleanly styled, and has a sporty demeanor. The new one is a stretched and bloated bastardization of an initially appealing design. It isn't bias; I bought the current 6 because I like it, not the other way around.

[Viralphrame]

The only next-gen 6 style that I've remotely liked was the concept MS Atenza artwork floating around earlier this year. Too bad it'll never happen.

[tunersteve]

Well, in all fairness, you can't exactly compare the new 6 to the old MS6. That would be like comparing a 3 to the MSP. Of course the MSP is faster and handles better. But overall, which car is better? Leaving aside such subjective things like looks and collectibility lol, the 3 is superior. (and I own an MSP!) Just like the new 6 is superior to the old. It's really not even close. If you own a 6 or MS6... put your bias aside and see the new car for what it is. A HUGE step up from the previous generation. Not everything is graded in terms of 0-60 times and slidpad ratings.

After driving both they definitely aren't close, but the new one is a step in the right direction. Like you said, from being an MS6 owner, I'm impressed by the level of refinement they have, especially behind the wheel. It's a competitively designed vehicle that WILL steal sales from the Accord/Camry/Maxima crowd. It's packed with features and a comfortable SPORTY TOURING CAR.

[Donas64]

Wife and I stopped by the dealership to look at a new 6 in person. There was also a titanium MS6 on the lot and we were both in agreement that we knew which one we'd drive away with. MS6 bar none. The new 6 is a quality well put together piece but the styling is lightly awkward, it got too big, it doesn't have the toned taut look of the car it replaces. Great car and deserves to do well, but not for me. Not over an MS6 anyway. Now vs an accord or camry, I'm so there (not over a maxima though)

[DKo5]

Just picked up a silver i GT for the wife today. Gotta say, its as nice as any 3-series BMW I've sat in, minus some of the hard plastics on the doors. For a NA 4banger its got enough pick-up for getting groceries and its definitely big enough for family trips. While most people on these forums are considered more "car people" than most, I think the new 6 really "fixes" the shortcomings of the previous gen - assuming Mazda's goal with the line is to take on the Camry/Accord/Altima trifecta. I drove all 4 before getting the 6 for her - for the price you can't beat it, hands down.

Would I consider one for myself? Never. Well, at least until they throw a turbo, AWD, better suspension, etc. on there. For now I'll stick on with my MS3 :)

[chuyler1]

That sounds to me like the verdict. It's a success for the masses, but doesn't fit the Zoom Zoom excitement of owning a Mazda of the past. I'll hold onto my MS6 for while.

[the gamper]

Well, in all fairness, you can't exactly compare the new 6 to the old MS6. That would be like comparing a 3 to the MSP. Of course the MSP is faster and handles better. But overall, which car is better? Leaving aside such subjective things like looks and collectibility lol, the 3 is superior. (and I own an MSP!) Just like the new 6 is superior to the old. It's really not even close. If you own a 6 or MS6... put your bias aside and see the new car for what it is. A HUGE step up from the previous generation. Not everything is graded in terms of 0-60 times and slidpad ratings.


Dont get me wrong, it is a nice car for sure. An upgrade in over the standard previous version for sure. It competes very well against other midsizers, maybe best in class in many respects. The interior of the Speed6 was a nice upgrade over the standard models, so the new Mazda6 isnt such a huge leap, but still a nicer overall interior. I am actually considering the new 6, apparently I can get crazy money for my Speed6 in trade taking into account that I bought a 100K mile bumper-bumper warranty. Probably wont happen though.

I happened to drive a brand new Maxima with the sport package back to back with the new Mazda6. I have to say that the new Maxima is something else for a FWD car. Love the paddle shifters. If they didnt want so much for them, I would probably take one over a new 6. But, I think the new 6 is a better value.

[chuyler1]

No one gets crazy money for a trade in, no matter what the car is. Dealers have their limits as to what they will offer. You are better off trying to sell it to a private party than to trade it in. But still, give up AWD+turbo+6-spd tranny for an autotragic V6? No thanks.

[DKo5]

That sounds to me like the verdict. It's a success for the masses, but doesn't fit the Zoom Zoom excitement of owning a Mazda of the past. I'll hold onto my MS6 for while.

Compared to the segment the 6 was originally meant to tackle it IS zoom-zoom. Everything else in the class is boring, uninspired, sloppy, floaty, etc. The new 6 is none of those, comparatively.

You absolutely can't compare a normal 6 to a Mazdaspeed variant. How would an '08 Mazda6 V6 compare to a MS6? You'd obviously still "hold onto your MS6 for a while".

We'll see what you guys are saying when they do make a new MS6 ;)

[Donas64]

Compared to the segment the 6 was originally meant to tackle it IS zoom-zoom. Everything else in the class is boring, uninspired, sloppy, floaty, etc. The new 6 is none of those, comparatively.

You absolutely can't compare a normal 6 to a Mazdaspeed variant. How would an '08 Mazda6 V6 compare to a MS6? You'd obviously still "hold onto your MS6 for a while".

We'll see what you guys are saying when they do make a new MS6 ;)

not the new maxima

[DKo5]

not the new maxima

I wouldn't put the Maxima in the same category. Starting just shy of $30k for a base model when a 6 S GT is $28k? Feature for feature, dollar for dollar the new 6 steps all over it as a normal everyday family car.

[Antonio DiMarco]

I wouldn't put the Maxima in the same category. Starting just shy of $30k for a base model when a 6 S GT is $28k? Feature for feature, dollar for dollar the new 6 steps all over it as a normal everyday family car.

Yeah I don't know what Nissan is thinking with pricing the new Maxima. You're in BMW and Audi territory at that price. I'm guessing it would even cannabilize Infiniti, although I think I'd choose an Infiniti over the Maxima. And I think Nissan Quality has gone down since Renault took them over. We used to own a 98 Pathfinder that was a rock but then the newer Pathfinders were a few steps down in overall quality. I remeber driving one and thinking it felt like a Chevy.

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

I really don't like this new 2009 Mazda 6 at all, we have them here in Spain already and is really ugly, is too big. I like better the Actual Mazda 6

[Donas64]

I really don't like this new 2009 Mazda 6 at all, we have them here in Spain already and is really ugly, is too big. I like better the Actual Mazda 6

I'm with you. Not ugly. Just not athletic and lithe like the previous gen. Only thing I like better is the new motor. The interior is nicer too but heck, the MS6 interior is very nice also.

[EMS541A]

As far as looks, I personally think the new Six is preeeetttyy boring... I mean, I'd almost say I'm 'meh' when it comes to it, but it's almost closer to 'ugh'. The front looks terrible; the spacer is hideous and the headlights make me cringe. And personally I think the MS6's front is one of its best features; the back on the other hand is pretty medicore. But the new Six's rear end is almost an improvement, if it looked a little less fat and had different tail lights.

I guess I shouldn't even really talk because I'm pretty biased... there's no possible way I would have even considered a new 6 performance wise either. No AWD... No manual in the V6... Worse gas mileage...

I bet it doesn't even sound like a vaccuum cleaner on steroids, either!

[Mazda Premacy]

on the internet and commercials the 6 looks nice.

in person omg WTF, looks like crap compared to the older version.

only thing i like is the rear opening up like a hatch back and it retains the sedan look. i like it for stereo reasons, easy to get loud lol :D

[nate0123]

on the internet and commercials the 6 looks nice.

in person omg WTF, looks like crap compared to the older version.
(mswerd)

in the ads it looks like a (barely) mini Lexus LS460

http://www.wintonsworld.com/cars/a-cars-2007/car-pics-07/lexus-ls-460-6.jpg

in person :wtf:

maybe I just need to see one with all the option / appearance packages

[CantCMe]

It DOES look like a LS460...

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

The new 6 will never look as good as the MS6, not until they come out with some sick Mazdaspeed Edition, until then is a POS.,..

[Donas64]

not quite a POS, just going in a different less fun direction.

[Mazda Premacy]

ms6 ftw! don't need to do much and it will look hot. new 6 u need to spend more benjamins to make it look hot, if that's even possible lol.

[katsmp3]

new forum -> http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=337

[CHICO2003]

Obviously looks are subjective so I won't try to convince anyone of anything there. I will, however, submit exhibit A for your viewing... MT did a nice job providing various pics of the 2 generations and, although the MS6 isn't represented, that's really not that big of a deal. In fact, one can easily make the argument that, with it's fugly snowflake wheels, chintzy honeycomb hideout grille and notable lack of side sills, the non-ms6 actually looked better. But again, that's debateable...

anyway...

http://www.motortrend.com/photo_gallery/112_0805_2009_mazda6_comparison_gallery/photo_01.html


Personally... how anyone can say the previous gen looks better is beyond me. It's not even close. And yes.. I've seen one in person.

Inside the margin is even larger imo. The previous gen's interior, frankly, sucked ass. Granted, it was circa 2002 so Mazda gets a pass... I guess. But compared to its competition (namely the Legacy/LGT & Jetta/Jetta GLI) it couldn't hold a candle.

So a redesign was more than in order. While its far too big for my taste... for those who actually need a backseat, I imagine the extra room is welcome. While the styling inside and out is subjective, the quality of the interior is not. Hands down, this new gen is superior to the old in this regard.

Now granted... it's a bit unfair to compare an MS6 to a new 6. However, all things being equal, I'd take the new car over the MS6 in a hearbeat. AWD is over-rated and the fwd biased version found in the MS6 is borderline pointless for most. (all it does is add extra weight and provide added security for the .001% time of the year when you may need to pull out of some snow or something) As the MS3 showed... fwd can actually be a better option. But I digress...

You all can think whatever you like but... at least try to have an open mind. Compared to its competition, (Altima, Camry, Accord, etc.) this car imo is the best looking. If it drives as well as it looks then Mazda has another winner on its hands.

[Donas64]

Obviously looks are subjective so I won't try to convince anyone of anything there. I will, however, submit exhibit A for your viewing... MT did a nice job providing various pics of the 2 generations and, although the MS6 isn't represented, that's really not that big of a deal. In fact, one can easily make the argument that, with it's fugly snowflake wheels, chintzy honeycomb hideout grille and notable lack of side sills, the non-ms6 actually looked better. But again, that's debateable...

anyway...

http://www.motortrend.com/photo_gallery/112_0805_2009_mazda6_comparison_gallery/photo_01.html


Personally... how anyone can say the previous gen looks better is beyond me. It's not even close. And yes.. I've seen one in person.

Inside the margin is even larger imo. The previous gen's interior, frankly, sucked ass. Granted, it was circa 2002 so Mazda gets a pass... I guess. But compared to its competition (namely the Legacy/LGT & Jetta/Jetta GLI) it couldn't hold a candle.

So a redesign was more than in order. While its far too big for my taste... for those who actually need a backseat, I imagine the extra room is welcome. While the styling inside and out is subjective, the quality of the interior is not. Hands down, this new gen is superior to the old in this regard.

Now granted... it's a bit unfair to compare an MS6 to a new 6. However, all things being equal, I'd take the new car over the MS6 in a hearbeat. AWD is over-rated and the fwd biased version found in the MS6 is borderline pointless for most. (all it does is add extra weight and provide added security for the .001% time of the year when you may need to pull out of some snow or something) As the MS3 showed... fwd can actually be a better option. But I digress...

You all can think whatever you like but... at least try to have an open mind. Compared to its competition, (Altima, Camry, Accord, etc.) this car imo is the best looking. If it drives as well as it looks then Mazda has another winner on its hands.

I completely agree. If I were buying right now, it would be the new 6 no question. And from all available reports, it does drive as good as it looks and the interior and engine are leagues ahead of the old model (except the MS6) BUT...... I'd still take an MS6 over a new 6 for the following reasons:

1. The new car is simply too big. I know why they did it and it makes sense from a business standpoint, but the last gen car was the perfect size for a sporty saloon

2. While the new 6 is a good looking car, the front half of the car puts me off. From the 3/4 rear and straight on rear view, it looks great, but the front end looks bulbous and unfinished. Like it's like a fat RX-8 and just doesn't work for me.

So the MS6 combination of above average interior, AWD traction (not only in winter but wet weather situations) and better styling and proportions (despite its hump nose) still win me over. If only I wasn't so wary of turbocharged engines.........

[damon3840]

I personally like the car . The engine can be a little loud when flooring the gas petal (v6), but i can find any issues with it yet, I had it for about 1 week,

[Newf]

Obviously looks are subjective so I won't try to convince anyone of anything there. I will, however, submit exhibit A for your viewing... MT did a nice job providing various pics of the 2 generations and, although the MS6 isn't represented, that's really not that big of a deal. In fact, one can easily make the argument that, with it's fugly snowflake wheels, chintzy honeycomb hideout grille and notable lack of side sills, the non-ms6 actually looked better. But again, that's debateable...

anyway...

http://www.motortrend.com/photo_gallery/112_0805_2009_mazda6_comparison_gallery/photo_01.html


Personally... how anyone can say the previous gen looks better is beyond me. It's not even close. And yes.. I've seen one in person.

Inside the margin is even larger imo. The previous gen's interior, frankly, sucked ass. Granted, it was circa 2002 so Mazda gets a pass... I guess. But compared to its competition (namely the Legacy/LGT & Jetta/Jetta GLI) it couldn't hold a candle.

So a redesign was more than in order. While its far too big for my taste... for those who actually need a backseat, I imagine the extra room is welcome. While the styling inside and out is subjective, the quality of the interior is not. Hands down, this new gen is superior to the old in this regard.

Now granted... it's a bit unfair to compare an MS6 to a new 6. However, all things being equal, I'd take the new car over the MS6 in a hearbeat. AWD is over-rated and the fwd biased version found in the MS6 is borderline pointless for most. (all it does is add extra weight and provide added security for the .001% time of the year when you may need to pull out of some snow or something) As the MS3 showed... fwd can actually be a better option. But I digress...

You all can think whatever you like but... at least try to have an open mind. Compared to its competition, (Altima, Camry, Accord, etc.) this car imo is the best looking. If it drives as well as it looks then Mazda has another winner on its hands.


AWD in the MS6 borders on useless? WTF? Dood, I drive in REAL winters, in REAL snow, the MS6 is hands down the best sedan I've driven in snow because of it's AWD. Is the reason why I bought it, and it's the reason why my next car will also be AWD.

The MS6's AWD is a great compromise. I dont' need full time AWD, I need it when it counts, otherwise it's only wasting gas. Ideally I'd like to have a button to turn it on and off myself, but to call it pointless, come on. Come up here and watch all of the FWD MS3's in the winter stuck on hills and snow banks while the MS6's are passing SUV's on hill and getting better mileage to boot.

[CHICO2003]

What I said was...

"AWD is over-rated and the fwd biased version found in the MS6 is borderline pointless for most. (all it does is add extra weight and provide added security for the .001% time of the year when you may need to pull out of some snow or something) As the MS3 showed... fwd can actually be a better option."

Note the use of the word 'most'. Since most people do not live up in Newfoundland where there are 'real' winters... again, awd can border on pointless or hell... maybe even useless! lol

I live in CT where we too get real snow. (granted, nowhere near as much as you I'm sure) But even then... these trucks with plows come by and wipe it away.

But let's drill down further...

Here in CT snowfall, on average, begins early-mid December and ends... let's say March. So that's 4 months... 120 days. Now, of those days how many actual legit snowstorms do we typically get? Around here... I'd estimate maybe a half dozen or so. Doesn't seem like a lot when you say it but... when it's happening... and you're breaking your back shoveling... and yes, driving through it... it psychologically seems like it's more than it is.

So we've got the 6 snowstorms... Of those, how many are occuring on weekdays when you "have" to drive. It's a reasonable guess to say 4/6 occur on weekdays. Now assuming the snow is coming down hard (meaning the plows haven't had a chance to get it off the ground as you're driving through it) while you're either driving to and/or back from work... then yeah, awd is nice to have. Will you 360 your way through every turn on your way to a firey blaze of death in a fwd car? of course not... but obviously 4 driven wheels are better than 2. (but let's not forget that awd only helps you go.. not stop.)

Back to the analysis... even if there is snow... a lot of snow... on the roads as you're driving those 4 times a year... it's still... 4 times an F'in year! lol (here anyway) Nice to have... but borderline pointless given the amount it actually serves its purpose.

Granted, that was based on my experience here in CT. But realize that, while CT might not be Alaska... it sure as hell aint FL either. At least half the country barely gets any snow... if any at all. So for them, awd cars (in terms of their safety benefits) aren't even borderline pointless... they're simply pointless! I know I know... you're gonna throw rain at me or some shit. lol But that's just BS...

But to your point... if I lived up there... hell yeah I'd have an awd car. and the MS6, crazy clutch and all, would be on my shortlist for sure.

[chuyler1]

The AWD system works, whether on dry, sandy, wet, or snowy roads. Sure there are few times when you truely need it, and it defaults to 90/10 which isn't RWD-oversteer-enducing-biased...but there are few times people truely need an SUV that seats 9...but people drive them because they have 4WD. Yep.

You've got a point with the clutch issue...which is partially fixed with the TSB...but if you are comparing AWD to AWD, the system is just as effective as any other system out there on any road condition. Once it detects slippage it takes control. Plus the MS6 is cheaper and faster than comparably equipped sedans from Audi, BMW, and Subaru. So its a win-win as far as I can tell...especially when it only takes one snowy afternoon passing cars stuck on hills and in parking lots to justify the AWD.

[Newf]

What I said was...

"AWD is over-rated and the fwd biased version found in the MS6 is borderline pointless for most. (all it does is add extra weight and provide added security for the .001% time of the year when you may need to pull out of some snow or something) As the MS3 showed... fwd can actually be a better option."

Note the use of the word 'most'. Since most people do not live up in Newfoundland where there are 'real' winters... again, awd can border on pointless or hell... maybe even useless! lol

I live in CT where we too get real snow. (granted, nowhere near as much as you I'm sure) But even then... these trucks with plows come by and wipe it away.

But let's drill down further...

Here in CT snowfall, on average, begins early-mid December and ends... let's say March. So that's 4 months... 120 days. Now, of those days how many actual legit snowstorms do we typically get? Around here... I'd estimate maybe a half dozen or so. Doesn't seem like a lot when you say it but... when it's happening... and you're breaking your back shoveling... and yes, driving through it... it psychologically seems like it's more than it is.

So we've got the 6 snowstorms... Of those, how many are occuring on weekdays when you "have" to drive. It's a reasonable guess to say 4/6 occur on weekdays. Now assuming the snow is coming down hard (meaning the plows haven't had a chance to get it off the ground as you're driving through it) while you're either driving to and/or back from work... then yeah, awd is nice to have. Will you 360 your way through every turn on your way to a firey blaze of death in a fwd car? of course not... but obviously 4 driven wheels are better than 2. (but let's not forget that awd only helps you go.. not stop.)

Back to the analysis... even if there is snow... a lot of snow... on the roads as you're driving those 4 times a year... it's still... 4 times an F'in year! lol (here anyway) Nice to have... but borderline pointless given the amount it actually serves its purpose.

Granted, that was based on my experience here in CT. But realize that, while CT might not be Alaska... it sure as hell aint FL either. At least half the country barely gets any snow... if any at all. So for them, awd cars (in terms of their safety benefits) aren't even borderline pointless... they're simply pointless! I know I know... you're gonna throw rain at me or some shit. lol But that's just BS...

But to your point... if I lived up there... hell yeah I'd have an awd car. and the MS6, crazy clutch and all, would be on my shortlist for sure.

fair enough.

as for out winters: I think this was Winter 2006, sometime in March i think, this was our old/first home. I say that because the car isn't full of ice, so it must have been late March or Early April as it doesn't look too cold.http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/newfmp3/Untitled1.jpg

And yes, that is all snow, and that is common every year up here. We don't shut down for "storms" that other places get, we go to work in that. When we shut down for a storm, trust me, it's a STORM.

It's nothing for me, in january, feb, etc, to get up and see snow up to my door handles, and have to shovel the car out, and still have to go to work in it. I'm not talking 6 time a winter either, I'm talking a few times a week.

Our first snow fall is usually Halloween, it'll stay around for a week or so and we won't see anything major for a while after that. Although we have already had hail, and a few snow flakes for a few mins a couple of weeks ago. That is not common at all, especially hail. . TRaditionally, our winters used to be from Oct-April. And last Winter was exactly that. But 05/06, we never even had snow on the ground until after new years. Regardless, Once January hits....look out.

another picture, might be same year, and look at my front wheels. Total ice jam entire winter. That MSP with good studs on it, done ok in snow, but it just spun the wheels all the time. Deep snow, forget it.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/newfmp3/IMG_0037Large.jpg

The MS6, there are days I've come out in the morning, and being lazy, didn't shovel anything but the drive side door just so I could get in, and even with snow up over the very front of the car, she plows though it. I don't have studs on my MS6 - Don't need em. I can't say I've done that much though. I almost always snow blow the drive way before I leave to work.

Moral of Story. My car needs to be AWD. So no AWD MS6, no purchase for me.

[lynnriderm6]

i love the new 6 it pushs out as much hp as the ms6 but i love the awd of the ms6 and i love boost i love the feeling of when boost hits and it puts you in the back of your seat..:O

[mldj77]

I had a choice between getting the new 6 or a used Speed 6 after my 07 Speed6 was totalled a couple months ago. The new body style is okay, & the increased size would be good for the family, but.....

I love my Speed 6 so much because it allows me to have my cake & eat it too! The AWD is awesome, not only in inclement weather or wet roads & such, but in everyday driving, cornering, acceleration & control. I drove the new 6, but it failed to excite me, yawn. I love how the turbo pushes you back in your seat under hard acceleration. Also, no stick for the new V6 sucks, which meant I would have to downgrade to a regular 4cyl to get a stick. It simply was too much of a trade off. I opted for a certified pre-owned 06 Speed6 just in off a 2 year lease.

I'll wait a few years for the next Speed6, then I'll trade up to the 2nd Gen. Until then, Speed6 wins hands down!! (drive2)

[Donas64]

The old 6 just looks so much meaner and aggressive. The new one while sportier than its rivals, looks like its gone a touch soft. I was looking at one in a target parking lot yesterday. Something just just a tad off.

[pfiver]

ideally it was said that the new 6 will have the same wheel base as the Lincoln MKS which is based on the CD3 platform as well.

Also it was said that the new 6 will be slightly bigger then the Camery, but still smaller then the class size leading Honda Accord.

[nate0123]

ideally it was said that the new 6 will have the same wheel base as the Lincoln MKS which is based on the CD3 platform as well.

Also it was said that the new 6 will be slightly bigger then the Camery, but still smaller then the class size leading Honda Accord.
will be? um, this car has been out for months now

[Silver Amputee]

Man I love this car too bad only lets me drive every now and then, which puzzles me because I used to have to drive her camry everywhere we used to go. I hated her camry!

[nolig2278]

I love this car. My only 2 issues are that when i jump back into my mx-3 i have to remember that reverse is in a different place and that the 6 makes me not want to drive my old mx-3turbo.
Both are manual.

[Smooth1]

I traded in my '07 3 grand touring for an '09 6 and love it. The 3 was too small and I felt every bump on the road. The 6 is alot smoother and I love the 10 speaker centerpoint Bose system. The bluetooth is nice to. I guess I'm getting old if I'm going for comfort instead of sporty.

[maple_leaf]

Just changed from a 5 to a 6...love it! (drive)

[Katner]

I just rented a 6 with the 2.5 and have been eager to post my impressions somewhere. I have to say that I like the car, but I think Mazda sold out (as a profitable business always should). The 6 was a niche car that was darty, and engaging to drive. An enthusiasts alternative to boring Accord and Camry. I hate to say it but when I started to drive this 6 off the rental lot my first thought was "my mother-in-law's accord has a firmer ride than this." My biggest worry is that if people look at this as an Accord try-hard, they will...buy an Accord. The car is just too big, and too squishy. Steering is numb and road feel is average at best. American cheeseburger patrons will love this car. People looking for a sports sedan will not.

Now I got a base 4-cyl model so I hope that the upscale trims have improved suspension options, and we know there are some nice wheel/tire packages so my opinion may change a little. But there can be no question this car is a compromise on the JDM Mazda corp's values.

But I LOVE the powerplant in this thing. Feels like the award winning 2.4 in the Accord, but more high-strung, though making less peak hp. It stays in it's power range longer and seems to spin tires easier. Can't wait until they put this in the Mazda5.

It's actually a great car, just not the sedan for me.

The old 6 just looks so much meaner and aggressive. The new one while sportier than its rivals, looks like its gone a touch soft. I was looking at one in a target parking lot yesterday. Something just just a tad off.Couldn't agree more. I see it this way exactly.

I traded in my '07 3 grand touring for an '09 6 and love it. The 3 was too small and I felt every bump on the road. The 6 is alot smoother and I love the 10 speaker centerpoint Bose system. The bluetooth is nice to. I guess I'm getting old if I'm going for comfort instead of sporty.The day I do this I will just have to admit...I'm getting a little older and I just want to relax while I drive.

The 3 Grand Touring is way...way more playful than the new 6.

[nolig2278]

The 6 you rented may have had 16 inch rims and that can make a mushy difference. I have the base 4cyl and had the dealership get me 17s from a custom shop and i felt the difference immediately. Also the tires can make a diff. This car is glued to the road as i take turns at around 25mph and off ramps at double their posted limits

[Mazda3]

I just rented a 6 with the 2.5 and have been eager to post my impressions somewhere. I have to say that I like the car, but I think Mazda sold out (as a profitable business always should). The 6 was a niche car that was darty, and engaging to drive. An enthusiasts alternative to boring Accord and Camry. I hate to say it but when I started to drive this 6 off the rental lot my first thought was "my mother-in-law's accord has a firmer ride than this." My biggest worry is that if people look at this as an Accord try-hard, they will...buy an Accord. The car is just too big, and too squishy. Steering is numb and road feel is average at best. American cheeseburger patrons will love this car. People looking for a sports sedan will not.

Now I got a base 4-cyl model so I hope that the upscale trims have improved suspension options, and we know there are some nice wheel/tire packages so my opinion may change a little. But there can be no question this car is a compromise on the JDM Mazda corp's values.

But I LOVE the powerplant in this thing. Feels like the award winning 2.4 in the Accord, but more high-strung, though making less peak hp. It stays in it's power range longer and seems to spin tires easier. Can't wait until they put this in the Mazda5.

It's actually a great car, just not the sedan for me.

Couldn't agree more. I see it this way exactly.

The day I do this I will just have to admit...I'm getting a little older and I just want to relax while I drive.

The 3 Grand Touring is way...way more playful than the new 6.

I hear what you are saying, however I think your opinion is slightly exgaggerated. I have owned a 04 Mazda 6 GT-V6, 2006 Mazda 3 GT, 2003 Protoge ES, 2007 CX-7 GT AWD and 2008 Tribute GT AWD. The new 6 is still more engaging than its competition. Yes, it has a more comfortable ride than my 04 6, but the at the limit handling is still very comparable. Your right, the Accord does have a firmer ride, but the 6's suspension design is so far beyond the Accord it has a softer ride AND out handles it. That means I can have my cake and eat it to.

The new 6 is a great car and Mazda hit it bang on.

[JoeyBoomBoom]

I hear what you are saying, however I think your opinion is slightly exgaggerated. I have owned a 04 Mazda 6 GT-V6, 2006 Mazda 3 GT, 2003 Protoge ES, 2007 CX-7 GT AWD and 2008 Tribute GT AWD. The new 6 is still more engaging than its competition. Yes, it has a more comfortable ride than my 04 6, but the at the limit handling is still very comparable. Your right, the Accord does have a firmer ride, but the 6's suspension design is so far beyond the Accord it has a softer ride AND out handles it. That means I can have my cake and eat it to.

The new 6 is a great car and Mazda hit it bang on.

I agree.. When I was in the market for a new car, I went and test drive comparable accords and camrys (4 bangers with MT) and the quite honestly, the camry sucked...I was really turned off by the way it drove and rode, it was REALLY underpowered when compared to the M6, and the new accord, while better than the camry still underperformed the mazda. I also feel that the new mazdas look way sportier than either of the two (even the Camry S...it just looks silly driving a grocery getter with a factory body kit), and is quite honestly a nicer car. (Edit: I also drove a white 07 M6 i Touring, and I while I did like the feel, I still preferred the new M6)

That being said, I understand that the old 6 was a niche car, but that body style had gone through 6 years or so, and was in need of some updating, nobody wants to buy a 2009 and have people wonder whether it's brand new or an 02, and no matter what mazda produced, the 02-08 owners were gonna think that the car was bunk, because it wasn't the car they knew and loved. I really think that once I put some decent tires on the car and get it lowered, it will make a huge difference, and even now without the mods, I really love the way this car performs (It's been raining a lot here in DC lately, and this car is sticking to the road like glue... trust me I have been diagnosed with what they call "lead foot")

[pdodson311]

when will aftermarket parts coming out for the 09 mazda6

[nate0123]

when will aftermarket parts coming out for the 09 mazda6
when they bring out a MT V6 or turbo version

[brad.schneid]

Hey guys,

I am new to the forum as well as to the Mazda Family. I am looking to purchase my first Mazda and am interested in the Mazda 6. Do you guys recommend this Mazda or is there a better Mazda Sport Sedan model?

Thanks

[nate0123]

Hey guys,

I am new to the forum as well as to the Mazda Family. I am looking to purchase my first Mazda and am interested in the Mazda 6. Do you guys recommend this Mazda or is there a better Mazda Sport Sedan model?

Thanks
New or used?

[Donas64]

Used MS6. Done! :)

[DTM_jody]

i buy one =] (if was mazdaspeed version. lol)
but garage only fits MSP6 & my corolla

[Drizz-OH!]

What do I think of the 2nd gen Mazda6? I word... Bleh!

[maple_leaf]

Personally, I love my 6. No complaints on road feel and handling. My 17s do quite a good job. Love the manual transmission. With a little help from aftermarket...when it comes.....if it comes.....it'll be even better.(scratch)

[Smooth1]

Mines fine.

My son and his friends like it to after he took it for a joy ride while I was sleeping. Bastard scuffed one of my rims to.

[maple_leaf]

Mines fine.

My son and his friends like it to after he took it for a joy ride while I was sleeping. Bastard scuffed one of my rims to.

(lol) Hope you spanked him a little....(rofl)

[Antonio DiMarco]

A friend form work was lookign for a car and wanted to test drive a Mazda6 and since I'm a Mazda nut he asked me to go along. He drove a i sport with the 6 speed manual and liked it a lot. He's in the process of thinking about buying it.

While he was working out the numbers I asked to drive a GT with the V6 and the i sport. One thing I got to say up front is that it's a nice car and I can easily see the benefit of stretching the wheelbase. The rear seat is HUGE. My friend is ~6'5" and I'm 6'2" and I was able to sit behind him - comfortably- during his test drive. And I would have been more than content spending more time in teh back seat.

The V6 is incredibly smooth and strong, compared to my MS3 's DISI Turbo it's more graceful about going fast. The DISI Turbo is all about brute force when you push it.

The 6 is more softly sprung but still very well controlled in turns. It's not as tossable as the MS3 (of course) but it is fun to take curves. The level of refinement and control is impressive. The 6 soaks up bumps that would piss off the tighter sprung MS3.

The steering is pretty light compared to the tighter feel of the MS3 yet still communicates the road surface rather well.

Like the MS3 Mazda did a fabulous job offering the driver enough controls to get a perfect driving position.

The 6 speed auto on the V6 is OK in auto and quite excellent in manual mode. I've driven other Mazda Manumatics (Mz5, Mz3, CX7) and they all seem to wait a second between driver input and the transmission actually shifting, whihc leads to unsmooth shifts. The sample on teh Mz6 was perfect: when I pulled back on teh stick to upshift it upshifted, when I pushed forward it downshifted and it was as smooth as silk.

The i Sport was also nice. The 6 speed manual tranny shifted well and the clutch was very light. Moving from my MS3 to the Mz6 6 speed was pretty dramtic with respect to clutch feel. But you know what, despite all the criticism about how hard it is to shift the MS3 I actually found it better to operate compared to the Mz6 clutch action.

The 4 cyclinder while OK wasn't great pulling around the big sedan. My friend thought it was very peppy, but admittedly I'm spoiled with the power of the MS3. The V6 would be the only option for me.

On total the Mz6 is a pretty nice ride. Nice enough in fact that I may go back and see what they would give me in trade for an 09 GT V6. The ride, extra room and interior bits like Bluetooth make for a very compelling package. The trunk is also HUGE.

Oh and the only thing I didn't like about the interior is the zebra-skin pattern on the center console.

All in all it was a more compelling package than teh accord and camry I recently test drove. Both the Camry and Accord are "old people cars" while the 6 feels younger and sportier. It isn't a sports car, but a sporty family car.

I haven't driving the Altima so I cannot comment. There are too many of them on the road for my taste though. No exclusivity. :-)

[chuyler1]

Nice review Antonio. Your thoughts are very similar to mine. I'd like to see the V6 come in stick, or perhaps another Mazdaspeed model with a turbo. The exterior doesn't sell me, but I like it better than any of the competition, and I completely agree with our "sporty family car" conclusion.

[Amemiya]

I enjoy the look of the new 6, as said before I'd like to see a manual transmission offered with the V6 engine.

[tommyz]

Nice review Antonio. Your thoughts are very similar to mine. I'd like to see the V6 come in stick, or perhaps another Mazdaspeed model with a turbo. The exterior doesn't sell me, but I like it better than any of the competition, and I completely agree with our "sporty family car" conclusion.

How about a Mazdaspeed with Ford's Ecnoboost V6 engine. That would be a blast!

[Smooth1]

A Nissan Titan rear ended a '09 Maza 6 turning into our dealership and the TITAN got all eff'd up! Front smashed in...bumper hanging off and the 6 had cosmetic damage to bumper,trunk lid won't close. Now that I think about it I should have taken some pics of the Titan,but we were all too busy busting a gut. It was so classic. The owner of the Titan would look at her trunk then at the 6 shaking her head. It was funny as sh*t.

[misbehave]

i think the new 6 is garbage! I think mazda went the wrong way 100%
way too big, way too heavy, ugly, looks half like a rx-8 half like a huge sedan ...not what i wanted to see!

I also heard there most likely won't be a new mazda speed 6 at least for this new generation THANK FUCK!

They should just take the European and Japanese version of Mazda6 here instead of making a different and bigger version. The North America version simply doesn't good as good as the European/Japanese version.

Just let those who can't fit inside the smaller version buy other cars like SUV.

[Smooth1]

i think the new 6 is garbage! I think mazda went the wrong way 100%
way too big, way too heavy, ugly, looks half like a rx-8 half like a huge sedan ...not what i wanted to see!

I also heard there most likely won't be a new mazda speed 6 at least for this new generation THANK FUCK!

Midol anyone?

[Antonio DiMarco]

i think the new 6 is garbage! I think mazda went the wrong way 100%
way too big, way too heavy, ugly, looks half like a rx-8 half like a huge sedan ...not what i wanted to see!

I also heard there most likely won't be a new mazda speed 6 at least for this new generation THANK FUCK!

I think you're commentary is "Garbage!", "went the wrong way 100%", and "not what I wanted to see!"

[Smooth1]

Gotta love New York

[Donas64]

You stay classy NYC!

[tommyz]

Gotta love New York

I was thinking the same thing.