Tranny problems?

[spoolintruck]

I was driving my car earlier and i shifted into third and was exelerating up a hill not even beating on it and i hear boom crunch griiiiiiiinnnnnnddd.. I hear about so many problems with these transmissions, but the only thing i can think is that 3rd gear just sheared off. Is that the norm? If so these trannys are junk!! What to do now? I dont know if i should bother trying to get a better gear set, go with an automatic or just throw 3rd gear in the car and sell it. I had plans to put a bigger turbo on the car come spring, but the more and more reading i do on this site the more scared i am of just throwing money away. I bought the car to drive, but i dont like to work on em every spare second i get. Are there any cars from japan that came AWD? that i might be able to get parts from to make mine AWD? Suggestions????

The car has a built motor, and made like 240 ish on a mustang dyno.

[Fudgie]

Does it still move in other gears or are you dealing with a diff failure?

[DH Motorsports]

Did you just buy your MSP?

I see your from Omaha... is it possible you bought daedalus' Protege?

[spoolintruck]

I did buy that (daedalus) car! And it still moves in other gears, thats why i think 3rd is just screwed, it kind groud going into 3rd. When we were rolling doen the road right after it made the noise it didnt seem to move in 3rd all that well.

Is there a way to buy REALLY good parts to beef up this tranny? or maybe buy used parts from overseas to convert to AWD?

[spoolintruck]

if the syncros were bad it would have a hard time getting into gear, NOT go into gear yet grind really bad like the teeth on 3rd are sheared off. From the sound of everything i might just find a justyard tranny, slap it in with the LSD and sell the car? I dont want a car thats going to break a tranny 3 times a year. From what i have been reading that is a common thing.

[DH Motorsports]

It is the Syncros that blew your third...

That is a 100% normal and common problem with this car.

Rebuilding may not be an option, you might have good luck at a salvage yard.

Hmm. Odd you think that, it may have actually been the case. We're at 27psi on our track Protege, and we had the exact symptoms as he has and we cracked opened the transmission to find teeth sheared off.

[DH Motorsports]

I was driving my car earlier and i shifted into third and was exelerating up a hill not even beating on it and i hear boom crunch griiiiiiiinnnnnnddd.. I hear about so many problems with these transmissions, but the only thing i can think is that 3rd gear just sheared off. Is that the norm? If so these trannys are junk!! What to do now? I dont know if i should bother trying to get a better gear set, go with an automatic or just throw 3rd gear in the car and sell it. I had plans to put a bigger turbo on the car come spring, but the more and more reading i do on this site the more scared i am of just throwing money away. I bought the car to drive, but i dont like to work on em every spare second i get. Are there any cars from japan that came AWD? that i might be able to get parts from to make mine AWD? Suggestions????

The car has a built motor, and made like 240 ish on a mustang dyno.

You bought that car, which was an investment. Expect the investment to continue. Thousands of dollars.

[spoolintruck]

You bought that car, which was an investment. Expect the investment to continue. Thousands of dollars.


I understand that, but i also thought the aftermarket was alittle better for these cars! I dont mind throwing some money at it if the money doesnt seem wasted. It seems like thr trannys are the weak link. What all do you guys have done to your race car? I really like the car, but its already putting a sour taste in my mouth and i have only had it a few weeks.

[crashkelly]

pm focus if you want some great tranny info. You could always just change 3rd and 5th to the gtx gears if you only fucked up the gear. I dont think that gear's breaking are all that common in these cars...the LSD breaking in half is very common...but I dont see all that many posts in regards to f*cked up gears...although I am sure they are far from bullet proof

[spoolintruck]

I called these guys http://www.tbkperformance.com/ and they sell BILLET gears 3rd and 4th for $550 each. They have them in there race car and they say there indistructable. So it looks like i'll be going with 3rd for now, and if 4th breaks later i will replace it to. Guess i'll have the LSD welded up when its out too. I think this will work fine for what i have in mind. I dont really want anymore than 325 to the wheels. Anymore than that and it'll be a pain in the ass to drive.

[DH Motorsports]

Yeah... TBK...

I've had an order in for gears since... about Mid-July.

Have fun waiting- I would find someone else.

[crashkelly]

Yeah... TBK...

I've had an order in for gears since... about Mid-July.

Have fun waiting- I would find someone else.

I was just about to give you the same warning...They have more than a few complaints lodged against them...

[spoolintruck]

hmmm, thats wierd? They told me 3 to 4 weeks. Who else sells billet gears?

[B1GHAM]

I dont know if i should bother trying to get a better gear set, go with an automatic or just throw 3rd gear in the car and sell it. I had plans to put a bigger turbo on the car come spring, but the more and more reading i do on this site the more scared i am of just throwing money away. Are there any cars from japan that came AWD? that i might be able to get parts from to make mine AWD? Suggestions????
The car has a built motor, and made like 240 ish on a mustang dyno.

Rebuilding the trans is a lengthy trial if you dont have experience with transmissions, and not always the best option. You cant put an auto in this vehicle without changing the the ECU and retuning the car.

Also, auto's for the protege arent (generally) durable for a boosted application. (and I wouldnt touch that though on daedelus's car).

If I was you? I would buy a new trans. Head over to SpeedCircuit.net (http://www.speedcircuit.net) Look under proteges and you will see a transmission section. There you will find full trans. to buy.

as far as AWD, there was a model of Protege5 that was built with AWD, but it has never been tried and proven sucessful in the MSP due to the amount of work it would take to even install. Youre better off staying with the FWD setup as its not very practical financially.

[DH Motorsports]

hmmm, thats wierd? They told me 3 to 4 weeks. Who else sells billet gears?

Yeah- then he'll tell you they're in customs in Miami for about 4 months.

[B1GHAM]

Yeah- then he'll tell you they're in customs in Miami for about 4 months.

(rofl)

[spoolintruck]

Rebuilding the trans is a lengthy trial if you dont have experience with transmissions, and not always the best option. You cant put an auto in this vehicle without changing the the ECU and retuning the car.

Also, auto's for the protege arent (generally) durable for a boosted application. (and I wouldnt touch that though on daedelus's car).

If I was you? I would buy a new trans. Head over to SpeedCircuit.net (http://www.speedcircuit.net) Look under proteges and you will see a transmission section. There you will find full trans. to buy.

as far as AWD, there was a model of Protege5 that was built with AWD, but it has never been tried and proven sucessful in the MSP due to the amount of work it would take to even install. Youre better off staying with the FWD setup as its not very practical financially.

The car has a microtech, so i can put an auto in it if i decide that.

Lentech sells a focus tranny which to my understanding is the same as MSP, that will hold 500 WHP.. Wouldnt touch what on daedalus's car?

The transmission you suggested i buy is a stock trans that is used! I can buy one with a warranty out of a local junk yard for $500, so that makes no sence to me, unless i just plan on selling it.

As far as the AWD thing goes it would be great to get any info possible on doing that? I own my own business, make an alright living and dont care much (within reason) about the finance side of it, If i put my mind to it i will usually do it. If i could have the only AWD MSP in the world, that would be pretty cool!! That is if i could buy all the parts at a resonable price, the work is not what scares me. I however dont like throwing money away on junk parts.
Any info would be great!!!

Thanks, Cory

[spoolintruck]

any idea's on where i can get gears for my tranny??? I would like to have some that wont break EVER~!

[daedalus]

Protege Garage (http://mazda3online.web.aplus.net/) sells the GTX 3rd and 4th gear which are upgrades that are supposed to hold 350+whp...

http://mazda3online.web.aplus.net/product_info.php?cPath=281_32_163&products_id=437

You might want to PM Ken on here and see if he can just sell you the 3rd gear seperate. Or do a search for GTX gears on here.. there is a whole big thread that provides all the part numbers you should need to order from a dealer.

[mspHtown]

u can only get 3rd and 5th now.

[kamon8404]

I'm not trying to be rude but you would be a fool to sell that car especially for how cheap it was sold to you. The car has a great foundation. Built motor, with all the toys. Get a good tranny and tune and your golden.

[ItsSlow]

Go here (http://www.par-engineering.com/index.htm) for all your transmission needs..

[mspHtown]

also, send a pm to mp3racer. he supposedly has another gear alternative coming out.

[spoolintruck]

I'm not trying to be rude but you would be a fool to sell that car especially for how cheap it was sold to you. The car has a great foundation. Built motor, with all the toys. Get a good tranny and tune and your golden.


I dont really want to sell it, I would like to get it fixed and drive it! But if i cant buy a gearset that will hold up to high horsepower there really isnt any point in keeping it is there?

[fr0st]

Lentech sells a focus tranny which to my understanding is the same as MSP, that will hold 500 WHP..




a focus tranny fits our msp? what year?

[kamon8404]

http://www.lentechautomatics.com/fwdmodels.html

[spoolintruck]

its in the for sale section now! I am having now luck on the tranny thing, and if i keep it i refuse to put GTX gears in it, cause i wanted to make it even more powerfull than it is now..

[mspHtown]

its in the for sale section now! I am having now luck on the tranny thing, and if i keep it i refuse to put GTX gears in it, cause i wanted to make it even more powerfull than it is now..

are u serious u jsut bought it and your selling it? you were showing interest an awd system so you ob viously have a little bit of money. get a custom gear set made and your are set for life buddy.

[spoolintruck]

I found a place in florida that has billet gears, but everyone told me there on backorder for like ever.. If i cant get what i want out of it, I will keep it and who knows what i might do to fix it. It would be cool to do AWD, but the more and more i research it, i find out why nobody has done it.

[AcolyteMSP]

Might wanna check out these. (http://***********************/mazdaspeed6.htm)

Thinking I'm gonna just do a rebuild with the GTX gears. Then shot peen and cryo treat those bitches!

[spoolintruck]

Is an MS6 tranny the same as ours?

[daedalus]

not by a long shot.

[spoolintruck]

A probe transmission isnt the same? Sorry maybe i meant Mx6?

[ItsSlow]

Yea, probe transmissions are the same.. As long as its attached to an fs-de, it'll fit..

[spoolintruck]

Anyone have an idea where i can find bullet proof gears???? It looks like i wont be selling the car, so i might aswell fix it and have some fun!

[spoolintruck]

Nevermind, Found some!!!

[mspHtown]

Nevermind, Found some!!!

what are you looking at? the par gearset?

[spoolintruck]

No, the price they quoted me in US dollars was about $6,000 with shipping for an entire gear set.. Thats RETARDED!!!!!!

[orng1]

No, the price they quoted me in US dollars was about $6,000 with shipping for an entire gear set.. Thats RETARDED!!!!!!

So what did you find?

[spoolintruck]

I will post what i found as soon as they get to my door..

[kamon8404]

Why not just tell us before they come?

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

I called these guys http://www.tbkperformance.com/ and they sell BILLET gears 3rd and 4th for $550 each. They have them in there race car and they say there indistructable. So it looks like i'll be going with 3rd for now, and if 4th breaks later i will replace it to. Guess i'll have the LSD welded up when its out too. I think this will work fine for what i have in mind. I dont really want anymore than 325 to the wheels. Anymore than that and it'll be a pain in the ass to drive.

you want an advice my friend ? don´t you dare to do anything with TBK Performance, been there and done that, if you want to wait 7 months for your gears and 4 months to get your LSD welded like shit, go head and trow your money to them.. i highly don´t recommend anybody to do shit with them !! i have thoses gears, also they were $ 450 for 3rd and 4th, not $ 550 for each.. its incredible the balls these people have !!

in here is where you need to join to learn who makes the best gears and solutions for our weak trannies, plus a serious company to deal with !!

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123693528

[spoolintruck]

Its a set from PTK!! I would love to hear why people are down on them? are there parts junk? He said he should be getting them in within acouple weeks.. If he cant get them, I have a freind in vegas at a machine shop, who is going to ask his boss if he will consider making them for all of us that want to buy them...

[shane02pro5]

The PAR 1-4 gearset will only be $3100 USD! Not sure where you got that $6k.
You don't need their pinion output shaft, crown wheel and Quaife LSD in order for it to work!

I'm ordering on Monday or Tuesday!

[whoisjdm?]

i love everything about my msp.. but just like alot of people, im afraid of putting money into it because of the transmission problems...im already in the process of purchasing a welded lsd...i wish there was an easier way (and less expensive) to go about this problem........but there really isn't unless you have lots of cash to throw at it (even then its iffy), its a shame such a great car has such horrible quirks :(

btw, spoonlintruck count me in if that happens! o yea & thnx for the info shane02.


(after mentioning my lsd failure to my honda fanatic friends up at phantasm, i was told to get a honda...but who doesn't have one of those?)

[spd_dvl]

whats up w/ the focus/ protege tranny good for 500hp what transmission is it?

[shane02pro5]

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123693528

Info starts on post #14. My 1-4 set is going in next week!