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GhostMercury
11-22-2007, 04:31 PM
im looking at buying the nos intercooler sprayer for my TMIC. I am going with the nos setup because i like the s shaped sprayer, over the oval. it seems like it is more efficient. But i was reading something from a honda tuner forum that said the intercooler added a bunch of power lost in heat soak. but they also said it dropped the AFR by 1. is this something that we would have to worry about, or that might cause damage to the car
dkswim
11-22-2007, 04:50 PM
we are running pig rich so it shouldnt hurt. what is most likely causing the drop in A/F is the ingestion of Nitrous Oxside in to the intake. im not the bigest fan of using nitrus to cool the intercooler. I see it as a waste of nitrus for the gain you get out of it, and with our topmount i dont think it will do anything good for all those hot parts right under the intercooler.
MazdaManiac
11-22-2007, 04:58 PM
I am going with the nos setup because i like the s shaped sprayer, over the oval. it seems like it is more efficient.

The shape makes no difference


what is most likely causing the drop in A/F is the ingestion of Nitrous Oxside in to the intake.

Even if the pickup for your intake was right next to the intercooler sprayer, you wouldn't ingest enough NO2 to affect the A/F.
That said, CO2 is better for sprayers because it is cheaper and inert.


but they also said it dropped the AFR by 1. is this something that we would have to worry about, or that might cause damage to the car

The drop is due to charge density. Cold air is dense air.
GhostMercury
11-22-2007, 05:37 PM
would the sprayer effect the parts below? i would think so but what do you guys think
MazdaManiac
11-22-2007, 06:07 PM
Affect them in what way?
GhostMercury
11-22-2007, 06:32 PM
heated metal parts and a quick blast of cold wont be god for them. maybe even cause them to crack
flipstylex
11-22-2007, 07:42 PM
the best way to spray the intercooler is to do it with mother nature !!!

doesn't really work bcuz u can only spray it when it's puring rain like crazy...water goes thru the hoodvent, but u can't get traction to put down that added power...so yea , it sucks loL:P
MazdaManiac
11-22-2007, 08:24 PM
the best way to spray the intercooler is to do it with mother nature !!!

Actually, that is the right idea.
I have a sprayer setup that just uses the washer bottle and pump for the windshield.
The only problem with a setup like that is it might fail tech inspection at some drag tracks because it is considered a leak.
Up side is you can fill it anywhere, though you are best to use demineralized water to keep from gumming up the IC.
fourthmeal
11-26-2007, 02:49 PM
Don't forget that with water, or any liquid, you've got to deal with the fact we have a TMIC, not a FMIC (stock). This means that water runoff will be a problem for us. Specifically, look under the IC and notice our coilpacks. They will not like being flooded with water, I assure you.
MazdaManiac
11-26-2007, 03:26 PM
If you meter the water correctly, most of it will leave as steam.
Sacrilicious
11-26-2007, 03:39 PM
i seem to remember seeing a CO2 sprayer somewhere, but the main issue was that it was only good for about 2min of continuous spray before the bottle ran out...that's not very long...=/
MazdaManiac
11-26-2007, 04:03 PM
A 5 lb bottle will go for 15 to 20 minutes continuously.
Since you only use it for 8 seconds or so at a time, you will go for a while.
knowledge007
11-26-2007, 04:05 PM
Interesting...
Mazdaspeed2oo35
11-26-2007, 04:16 PM
im looking at buying the nos intercooler sprayer for my TMIC. I am going with the nos setup because i like the s shaped sprayer, over the oval. it seems like it is more efficient. But i was reading something from a honda tuner forum that said the intercooler added a bunch of power lost in heat soak. but they also said it dropped the AFR by 1. is this something that we would have to worry about, or that might cause damage to the car



This is what I have in my car, and it works like a champ, you might want to consider these:

AEM Water/Methanol Injection Kit

http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/store...34884_-1_11917
driver311
11-26-2007, 04:22 PM
This is what I have in my car, and it works like a champ, you might want to consider these:

AEM Water/Methanol Injection Kit

http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/store...34884_-1_11917
I suggest this also over the intercooler sprayers. Works alot better, makes more power, and richens the tune up alot so you can run higher boost levels and more timing if need be. Ill be going this route.

You could also just upgrade the tmic and that would do exactly what you are wanting also.
MazdaManiac
11-26-2007, 04:28 PM
Link is bad. This is what you meant, I think:
https://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_10001_10002_319428_-1
Mazdaspeed2oo35
11-26-2007, 05:14 PM
Link is bad. This is what you meant, I think:
https://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_10001_10002_319428_-1

not.. that brand is kind of cheesy, these is what im talking about

AEM Water/Methanol Injection Kit

http://www.aempower.com/ViewCategory.aspx?CategoryID=120

These toy is the Shit, i have it, and no way iīll go with a No2 Sprayer, not worth it, these works better, chemical intercooling itīs consider better, also as said under, you can advance the timing, up the boost and prevent detonation keeping the combustion chamber temperature cold.. its cheaper than refilling the nos bottle, these is just my personal opinion based on what i have installed in my car. i love it, big ass difference !!
SuperStretch18
11-26-2007, 05:40 PM
Besides the AEM logo, what's the difference between the two?
Maxxpwr
11-26-2007, 05:50 PM
I know this was mentioned. but I know alot of people on the evo forums worry about the spray getting into their intake, I'd worry even more since you are running a top mount. with that said, yes go with co2, its easier and basically just as cold. -running Meth is amazing! but also a huge step, not one that can be taken back quite easiely.
Mazdaspeed2oo35
11-26-2007, 05:53 PM
Besides the AEM logo, what's the difference between the two?

the features between them 2, the AEM has a bigger tank, 1galon, the other has 2 quarts, the AEM has 150 PSI pump, the other 140, and on and on, the AEM itīs better and have more options and features, read it your self and compare, read both specs and youīll notice the difference
Haltech
11-26-2007, 10:25 PM
Besides the AEM logo, what's the difference between the two?

I own a snow kit and ill tell you the difference...

The AEM setup if a nice kit for the simple fact that the pump is boost controlled. meaning, there is no tuning nightmares on a dyno to get the setup spraying correctly. Secondly, the tank size and the fluid level indicator is standard.

I got away from using the tiny tank on my truck because i changed hoods on my truck. The new hood didnt have windshield washer squirters, so i converted my 2 gallon washer res to a meth res.
SuperStretch18
11-27-2007, 12:52 AM
I own a snow kit and ill tell you the difference...

The AEM setup if a nice kit for the simple fact that the pump is boost controlled. meaning, there is no tuning nightmares on a dyno to get the setup spraying correctly. Secondly, the tank size and the fluid level indicator is standard.

I got away from using the tiny tank on my truck because i changed hoods on my truck. The new hood didnt have windshield washer squirters, so i converted my 2 gallon washer res to a meth res.

I thought that the stage 2 snow kit is boost controlled as well? In any case, I wasn't knocking AEM or defending Snow; I just wanted to see what the reasoning was. Thanks for the info! (thumb)
MazdaManiac
11-27-2007, 01:15 AM
Best bet is to tie the kit to your EMS.
Screw the included controller or Hobbs switch!
Drive it on a MAP in the engine management.
That way, you can have multiple factors decide how much and when.
Texaco
11-27-2007, 01:38 AM
Maybe a dumb question, but how much does outside air temp affect performance of the TMIC?

Winter is here at 8600 feet in Colorado. But to be honest, I don't notice much difference in power versus ambient temps. You would think that driving around in 15 degree temps would be better than water or other cooling techniques.

??????
MazdaManiac
11-27-2007, 01:47 AM
The 2.3 MZR is already pretty tapped-out on power.
The cooler temps just mean you have a wider margin of safety.
jaydubz
11-27-2007, 01:59 PM
I think going with a water/meth kit is asking for trouble. A distilled water sprayer would be a good option if the nozzle flow was controlled. Some of the new STIs have that option. I would rather spray it water on my intercooler rather than a meth/water mixture into my engine. I love my 3 but I questions the ability for it to accept such a mod.
dkswim
11-27-2007, 02:37 PM
all STi have the water on the intercooler option it helps but not much water meth you can tune to add a lot of power there is someone on forums running watewr meth making 400 whp. the water meth cools the intake and also adds to detnation resistance with it you can tune for a high octane mode like you were running 100 oct ben there done it on srt-4 stage 2 with toys
Blackrose
11-27-2007, 02:43 PM
Chemical intercooling has been around for many many years and is (in some cases) the best form of intercooling you can have. If you use a reputable company and install the kit profesionally then this is an awsome way to free up some HP in any car.



I think going with a water/meth kit is asking for trouble. A distilled water sprayer would be a good option if the nozzle flow was controlled. Some of the new STIs have that option. I would rather spray it water on my intercooler rather than a meth/water mixture into my engine. I love my 3 but I questions the ability for it to accept such a mod.
MazdaManiac
11-27-2007, 03:15 PM
Its only drawback really is that it runs out.
As long as you stay on top of it, it should work just fine.

I'm just not a big fan of stuff that runs out.

Its bad enough that I have to fill it with gas, but at least I get a warning for that and I ALWAYS know how far I've gone and how much farther I can go.

With H2O and NO2, its pay-to-play-per-play and I'm not a big fan of slot machines, either.
Haltech
11-28-2007, 12:28 AM
I thought that the stage 2 snow kit is boost controlled as well? In any case, I wasn't knocking AEM or defending Snow; I just wanted to see what the reasoning was. Thanks for the info! (thumb)

Stage 2 ties into your MAF, which i have but it still needs tuning with different nozzles and stuff because i can hit +3.4V in my truck with no boost and it would start spraying.
Haltech
11-28-2007, 12:30 AM
The 2.3 MZR is already pretty tapped-out on power.
The cooler temps just mean you have a wider margin of safety.

I dont agree with this statement. Sure, methanol adds safety, but with the cooler, denser charge, people have laid down as low as 30hp with meth injected into their cars with a CPE setup. Add a new fuel pump to the mix and tune on high timing and you may come out ahead at 50hp to the wheels. You would easily be hitting 103 Octane if mixed 50/50.