help me if you can!!

[03.5-dc-speed]

alright first of all i just changed my oil but i put what jiffy lube always has put in and that is penzoil 5w30 and its not synthetic. my idle when i start it goes up to 2000 and down to about 100 200? should i change to full synthetic or what? and if its not the oil that has anything to to with it then i dont know what is goin on

[orng1]

Unless you topped of the engine to the valve cover with oil I can't see or imagine the oil having anything to do with your idle. There has to be a loose or cracked vac line or loose connector of some sort. Did it start doing the odd idle after you chaned the oil, or did jiffy lube change it for you, or maybe it was sort of there before? I've seen cars with 12qts of oil so it wouldn't surprise me that they just kept adding.

[low_psi]

Your engine will idle at 100-200rpms?

[orng1]

Your engine will idle at 100-200rpms?

From reading what he said I understood that he's idling like crap after an oil change. That does make sense but more than likely he'd have a CEL and maybe smoke.

[03.5-dc-speed]

it started doing this the first time after i changed the oil when i started it up. i put 4 1/2 qrts in too.

[mazdaspeedson]

you put 4 and a half courts in if im not mistaken the mazdaspeed runs 3 and a half courts thats one court too much but that will most likely cause oil leaks as for your idle i would imagine a vac leak and oil wise it is important to run fully synthetic because it has less tendency to break down when it is heated rapidly and the mazdaspeed has a oil and water cooled turbo which would cause your oil to break down but if you have been running regular oil you need to start off by running synthetic blends for at least 3 oil changes recomend 5 then go to synthetic which will show you if you have any leaks

[Andrewsmc]

4 1/2...? it supposed to be like 3.9 if i rember correctly.

[magnumP5]

^^^ 3.6L w/ the filter (assuming you're using the filter for the Protege and not the larger for the 626 which some people use).

[crashkelly]

4 1/2...? it supposed to be like 3.9 if i rember correctly.

That is definately correct...4.5 is a little much...i duno if that will mess with idle, but i would drain some before you over lubricate your seals and gaskets (it can ruin them). I would check your plugs...everytime someone has this idle jumping and then dropping and jumping and dropping 8 out of 10 times it's time for a new set of plugs or if you just changed the plugs they might not be gapped right.

[crashkelly]

^^^ 3.6L w/ the filter (assuming you're using the filter for the Protege and not the larger for the 626 which some people use).

i think the manual says 3.9 for the speed...i'll go check it out...brb

[crashkelly]

3.5l with filter change 3.3l w/out

[orng1]

I was about to say that too. I usually use 3.5.

[magnumP5]

3.5l with filter change 3.3l w/out
Yeah, I just realized I was thinking US quarts but either way I was wrong. According to the lubrication section in the online shop manual (http://protege5.ugly.net/01-11.PDF) you are right, which comes out to 3.5 and 3.7 US qts. My bad...

[crashkelly]

Yeah, I just realized I was thinking US quarts but either way I was wrong. According to the lubrication section in the online shop manual (http://protege5.ugly.net/01-11.PDF) you are right, which comes out to 3.5 and 3.7 US qts. My bad...

yeah i always confuse the quarts and liters but fortunately the conversion is minimal so even if you read it wrong and put too much in, you only put in like 2/10ths of a liter more

[magnumP5]

yeah i always confuse the quarts and liters but fortunately the conversion is minimal so even if you read it wrong and put too much in, you only put in like 2/10ths of a liter more
Yeah, I put 3.6 qts in for my last change but I burn a little oil so I'm constantly monitoring the oil level and adding some in. I pretty much keep it so it's at the "F" on the dipstick.

[crashkelly]

Yeah, I put 3.6 qts in for my last change but I burn a little oil so I'm constantly monitoring the oil level and adding some in. I pretty much keep it so it's at the "F" on the dipstick.

i hear ya buddy, my turbo drinks oil all day long it feels like

[AcolyteMSP]

Here...

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9993/lubtechtv2.jpg

[crashkelly]

thanks, although you are about 5 posts too late...3.5l with filer 3.3l without

[03.5-dc-speed]

okay well im not retarded ive changed oil before of course i used the right filter! i called mazda and they said not to run full synthetic until about 90,000-100,000 miles! and also even with the 4.5 quarts its the perfect amount! it reads right on the line of full.

[03.5-dc-speed]

oh and i was also told to wait about another 5000 miles until i do plugs if i were to change then

[AcolyteMSP]

alright first of all i just changed my oil but i put what jiffy lube always has put in and that is penzoil 5w30 and its not synthetic. my idle when i start it goes up to 2000 and down to about 100 200? should i change to full synthetic or what? and if its not the oil that has anything to to with it then i dont know what is goin on

That idle is not normal, and 4.5 is overfull. What is your oil pressure at?

[03.5-dc-speed]

everything is reading fine! and i lied i actually put 4 qrts in but bought 4.5!
but now everything is fine and back to normal. i dont know what the hell happened but its weird

[alexB]

Why are you putting penzoil oil in your car? Not sure if I am mixing up penzoil with soemthing else. But I have heard alot of bad things about penzoil oil. Something about having alot of wax in it. I had a buddy who had always ran penzoil oil. Ended up bending a valve. (Not due to the oil). But pulled the head off to get repairs done. And you could see all the wax totally coating the inside of the head.

[03.5-dc-speed]

yeah it is penzoil that does that but the dude at mazda said that was fine and i even knew about the wax thing. next change im switching to valvaline

[MsP155]

i think your first problem was using jiffy lube and not doing it your self...my friend used ti work at jiffy lube and he told me people there fuck around with your car...sometimes all they'll do is pour more oil or even nothing at all...therre was even a news report on jiffy lube...the reporter brought his car in and they didnt do any work at all...because he put a smily face on the filter and when he got the car back it still had the smilly face...second case was a co-worker had his car worked on and they didnt tighten his oil pan nut and leak oil everywhere and cracked his engine!!!....BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD service at jiffy

[MsP155]

ps use mobil 1 or royal purple!!!

[BlackCherry06]

"I called mazda and they said not to run full synthetic until about 90,000-100,000 miles!"

Retarded. Synthetic can be used at any time, and with regard to a turbocharged engine, the sooner the better. Waiting until 90K is just begging for leaking seals due to deposits left behind by conventional oil. It doesn't happen to everybody, but it does happen.

As far as your idle situation, I have a hard time believing that a 1-qt overfill is causing erratic or low idle. One quart adds what...1/2 inch to the overall oil level in the pan? That's not enough to cause considerable drag on the crank, if the crank is impacting the oil at all. If this engine is equipped with an idle air control valve, that's where I'd start the diagnosis.

[03.5-dc-speed]

yeah i heard about jiffy lube but i went there because some guy that was like a manager or one of the higher guys had a car like mine and he gave me a deal.

oh and i would never use royal purple in my car unless it was built, so im gonna go with what the tech said at mazda,,,,, valvaline or maybe mobil1