Just got flashed

[SilversunMSP]

I just go the factory reflash for the MS6 this past week when I went in to have them check out the popping sound my sub makes. From what I've now taken the time to read, the general concensus seems to be against the reflash. I now notice that the car is easier to launch off the line and driving thru traffic below 40mph is smoother. The cons seem to be reduced mid range power where I like it. I'm finding I have to rev to 4000 rpm to get the same punch as I used to at about 3500 rpm. The car feels slower overall. 1st gear pulls to redline are not as wild as before. Does anyone have a pre and post reflash dyno on a stock MS6

[ZUZOOM]

No dyno, but was feeling the same issues. Had the recalls and reflash after ALOT of thinking and went for it. Besides alittle loss of UMPH. I have noticed a drop in MPG's. Is this just my imagination or are others having this issue.....Also
Something else...if I put on a BOV by itself is there actually any better performance. Or is it just sound. Again if that is all I do?

[Lil_vicious559]

I chose not to flash the MS6. You will lose power and that's why i didn't. Don't let your dealership fool you with the CEL light coming on and that you will get better gas mileage. You won't!!

Should of left it stock without the Reflash!!(confused)

[ZUZOOM]

Well maybe there will be another that will fix it all.

[mal_tiempo]

Got damn it, I just got this done, and I noticed the same thing. Now I'm a sad panda.

[Igve2shtz]

I have a 2006 without any of the recalls or reflashes, and my friend has a 2007 with the new ECU flash (and the new clutch). I have to say, that after driving the 2007, I like the smoothness of the engine. Its like driving a V6, rather than a turbo. The power delivery is alot more linear, and the engine is "peaky" like in a V6.

However, I dont think I would ever get the reflash. I loooooove the raw power of my 2006. I dont know if it is any faster, but it feeels faster, and thats all that matters.

[mal_tiempo]

Can I get them to set it back to the way it was? lol

[Lil_vicious559]

I have a 2006 without any of the recalls or reflashes, and my friend has a 2007 with the new ECU flash (and the new clutch). I have to say, that after driving the 2007, I like the smoothness of the engine. Its like driving a V6, rather than a turbo. The power delivery is alot more linear, and the engine is "peaky" like in a V6.

However, I dont think I would ever get the reflash. I loooooove the raw power of my 2006. I dont know if it is any faster, but it feeels faster, and thats all that matters.That's what the reflash is supposed to do!!!! make it feel more smooth, while the 06's have raw power.

To be honest i think the 06's are quicker than the 07's.

06 274hp
07 270hp

Can I get them to set it back to the way it was? lol

No...........probably not!! There was a reason why they did it.

[ZUZOOM]

Well after everything is said and done. This car still ROCKs!!! Maybe a computer Hacker can do something. Hummmmm

[Qwik6]

mine has been reflashed 3 times and im on my 3rd shutter valve :(

[Lil_vicious559]

there's probably nothing that can be done after the reflash has been done!! Best bet now is to get a EMS and tune it.

Anybody feel like they lost power up top in triple digit speeds?? I have tooken the MS6 to 151mph but let off. Im sure it could have gone more.........

[Killer]

06 still trouble free. Never a CEL.

[Lil_vicious559]

the CEL light recall was on the Speed3's. The only reason why they did the recalls on the speed6's was because people are messing up the speed6 when modding and some have the CEL light coming on.

Once the reflash is done on the car's power will be lost!!

[dutchbuffalo]

I don't have any mods and I have already had 3 cel's in 6 months since I bought my speed6.

[3+5]

mine has been reflashed 3 times and im on my 3rd shutter valve :(

Dude, where'd you get the bell?

[Lil_vicious559]

I don't have any mods and I have already had 3 cel's in 6 months since I bought my speed6.


what year is your speed 6?

The CEL light only comes on rarely. Mostly due to modding the speed6!! The speed6 will have some recalls on some (Stock). But mainly due to modding the car wrong, causes it to have the CEL light recall.

[VRMS6]

Is this for the Emissions reflash that just came out?? Havent done it yet am planning on doing it when I get to 5000miles with my first oil change...

[dutchbuffalo]

what year is your speed 6?

The CEL light only comes on rarely. Mostly due to modding the speed6!! The speed6 will have some recalls on some (Stock). But mainly due to modding the car wrong, causes it to have the CEL light recall.

I have a 2007 Speed6 with no mods.

[Lil_vicious559]

I have a 2007 Speed6 with no mods.

I knew you were going to say that!! Just wasn't sure.

I own a 06. Most recalls are on the 07!!

[07Speed6]

I just got it done last week, I also feel that my car is slower. The boost gauge reads 15psi up to about 4500 rpm and then it drops to round 12 or so, I don't remember that ever before, it only used to drop off after 57-5900 rpm. It pulls slower in every gear, even in sixth in the highway its slower. I am pissed i want it back to normal, if i wanted a focus i would have bought one.

[SilversunMSP]

This reflash absolutely blows. We should get a petition (or class action case) going to get mazda to do a better job. The car is definately slower in every gear.

[Lil_vicious559]

I just got it done last week, I also feel that my car is slower. The boost gauge reads 15psi up to about 4500 rpm and then it drops to round 12 or so, I don't remember that ever before, it only used to drop off after 57-5900 rpm. It pulls slower in every gear, even in sixth in the highway its slower. I am pissed i want it back to normal, if i wanted a focus i would have bought one.


Yeah the Boost falls off after 5500rpms, not 4500. Something is Definately wrong! Sounds like your car is Alot slower.


I Don't think nothing can be done now since the Reflash has been done. My 6th gear pulls hard on the freeway. from 100-120 6th pulls hard.

[Doubleawill]

Yes!!! This reflash really does suck. I felt the power loss immediately. I probably wont be able to beat my freinds 240sx anymore. (chair)Damit and he just got it running right with the bigger turbo. He really want's a rematch since we call him second place now!(first)

[dutchbuffalo]

If I get the emissions recall done is that the same as this reflash everyone is complaining about ? If it is I'm not going to get it done.

[Lil_vicious559]

If I get the emissions recall done is that the same as this reflash everyone is complaining about ? If it is I'm not going to get it done.

Regardless what you do to the car. They will Reflash it without notifying you at all. Believe me!!

your best bet is to not take the car in at all, unless something is really Fuc%^% up on your MS6.

[LBV]

Mazda is probably de-tuning the engine due to the rash of blown motors???

[dutchbuffalo]

can they flash my car without telling me if I bring it in for something else ? If they try and do that with me they will have one hell of a fight on their hands.

[Lil_vicious559]

can they flash my car without telling me if I bring it in for something else ? If they try and do that with me they will have one hell of a fight on their hands.

i am good friends with the GM here at lithia Mazda. He told me if i brought the car in, chances are the (Service department) will reflash the ECU. My suggestion is, its a No brainer......SAVE THE SPEED OF THE CAR AND DON'T DO IT!! .............LOL

But yes they will reflash it without telling you. Trust me, you won't even know until you get the car back and feel the power loss(hand)

[3+5]

I had the reflash done way back in february, the last time the car saw the inside of the dealer. I know this is the case, cause when I got my recall notice, it was to inform me that the recall had been done. I kinda think you guys are a bit paranoid about losing power, all everyone asks is whether it's slower. When I got the car from the dealer after the reflash, it seemed to me to be faster, maybe louder as well. It went in due to a shutter valve CEL, and my car has no mods. It also gets 24 mpg per tankful however I drive it, and consistent 28mpg doing 85 from Mn to Ct. I checked every fillup, and was trying to make time. I got almost 30mpg in an area of heavy construction (=slow, like 50 for MILES).
I haven't seen any dyno runs or timeslips to back up the power loss. It really doesn't seem like it to me, so I tend to believe it's not reality.
The way I see it, butt dyno experts are discouraging everyone from getting the reflash, which in actuality could be a bad thing. Meanwhile their cars have been flashed so they won't suffer a possible loss in reliability. Only way to resolve this: Next guy who gets the reflash needs to dyno before & after.
At least, a day at the drags before & after. SOME kind of measurement that's not subjective. You guys are telling me you can feel 274 vs 270 hp? ...and maybe a CAI really DOES make more power in a stock civic.

I also refuse to call a couple mods gone bad a RASH of blown engines, but that's a different argument.

[Lil_vicious559]

I had the reflash done way back in february, the last time the car saw the inside of the dealer. I know this is the case, cause when I got my recall notice, it was to inform me that the recall had been done. I kinda think you guys are a bit paranoid about losing power, all everyone asks is whether it's slower. When I got the car from the dealer after the reflash, it seemed to me to be faster, maybe louder as well. It went in due to a shutter valve CEL, and my car has no mods. It also gets 24 mpg per tankful however I drive it, and consistent 28mpg doing 85 from Mn to Ct. I checked every fillup, and was trying to make time. I got almost 30mpg in an area of heavy construction (=slow, like 50 for MILES).
I haven't seen any dyno runs or timeslips to back up the power loss. It really doesn't seem like it to me, so I tend to believe it's not reality.
The way I see it, butt dyno experts are discouraging everyone from getting the reflash, which in actuality could be a bad thing. Meanwhile their cars have been flashed so they won't suffer a possible loss in reliability. Only way to resolve this: Next guy who gets the reflash needs to dyno before & after.
At least, a day at the drags before & after. SOME kind of measurement that's not subjective. You guys are telling me you can feel 274 vs 270 hp? ...and maybe a CAI really DOES make more power in a stock civic.

I also refuse to call a couple mods gone bad a RASH of blown engines, but that's a different argument.

There was a recall back in February march of this year, I remember that one. There has been another recall during the august-September time. For the CEL and the Reflash.

I don't know what your talking about?? Civics adding more power with a CAI. Have you seen the DYNO's, the MS6/MS3 puts down with a CAI.

Basically A Civici SI with I/H/E. = a CAI for the MS3/6

[3+5]

Just saying it was a subjective call to make concerning power loss after reflash. CAI on stock civic was just an analogy to the butt dyno power loss calls guys are making. What I meant was that stock Civic owner's butt dynos probably tell them they make more power with a CAI... The stock intake setup is probably not much difference, if any. I never mentioned anything about a CAI on a MS6.

Here's the fact: My car lit a CEL in Feb-Mar 07. Took it in, they changed the swirl valve & reflashed. Dealer told me they had the kit on the shelf. My recall notification says the present recall has been done, & the dealer says all recalls & TSB's are complied with. I haven't had the car serviced since february, so I must have got the present reflash in Feb-Mar, due to the swirl valve problem. They obviously have to build case history before recalling for a defect/reflash. Mine must have been one of the first to fail. They can call this an emissions-related reflash all day, but it's so obviously tied to the swirl valve failure.

Better to see before/after proof of some kind before everyone gets their panties in a wad. Show me PROOF, I'll bitch too that we have less power.

But I wouldn't be warning off other owners about the reflash without the proof to back it up. If I didn't have the flash done already, I would think hard before listening to butt-dyno post-flash evaluations and not getting a factory recommended adjustment, which is what the reflash really is.

Like I said, my butt dyno was opposite from the majority on this one, I thought it had more power after, but my swirl valve was failed/defective so it could have just been I felt more power relative to that. I didn't notice a power loss or any driveability issue when I got the CEL, but I did try to go easy just in case. My car seems to have been extremely consistent when it comes to performance.

[Lil_vicious559]

Just saying it was a subjective call to make concerning power loss after reflash. CAI on stock civic was just an analogy to the butt dyno power loss calls guys are making. What I meant was that stock Civic owner's butt dynos probably tell them they make more power with a CAI... The stock intake setup is probably not much difference, if any. I never mentioned anything about a CAI on a MS6.

I'm can see if you upgraded from a civic, corolla or Sentra. Then yes i can say a butt dyno can be referred. You can tell the difference driving 13sec car's, if power has been loss. Everyone on here has done the recent flash on the Speed6's and Whether or not you get the CEL flash done, they will do the Shutter valves REFLASH. Which defects the cars power wise.

Here's the fact: Better to see before/after proof of some kind before everyone gets their panties in a wad. Show me PROOF, I'll bitch too that we have less power.

due the current reflash on your speed6, then you come back on here and tell me if you lost power!!

But I wouldn't be warning off other owners about the reflash without the proof to back it up. If I didn't have the flash done already, I would think hard before listening to butt-dyno post-flash evaluations and not getting a factory recommended adjustment, which is what the reflash really is.

Everyone notices power loss. I'm sure you can tell a difference in power after driving the car for so long. These car's aren't civic's, or integra's

Like I said, my butt dyno was opposite from the majority on this one, I thought it had more power after, but my swirl valve was failed/defective so it could have just been I felt more power relative to that. I didn't notice a power loss or any driveability issue when I got the CEL, but I did try to go easy just in case. My car seems to have been extremely consistent when it comes to performance.

Your powerband feels more linear like a V6 rather than the raw Power TURBO. That's why if feels quicker...

[mal_tiempo]

Your powerband feels more linear like a V6 rather than the raw Power TURBO. That's why if feels quicker...

And is it not quicker? Just because you don't get the smack of the turbo coming on doesn't mean it's slower OR has less power. Proof please. Run someone before and after, or something. Anything besides just feelings.

[Lil_vicious559]

And is it not quicker? Just because you don't get the smack of the turbo coming on doesn't mean it's slower OR has less power. Proof please. Run someone before and after, or something. Anything besides just feelings.

Sorry there not feelings just facts. You go to your nearest dealership and ask them if they will REFLASH your car. "They will tell you that it improves the cars MPG and prevents the CEL light from coming on and that it makes the Car quicker:bs:. What they are actually doing is retarding the timing and making the car lean out more fuel running richer while power isn't developing Because of the Boost drop after 5500-6K. Making the power feel more linear.

I'm not saying that its causing the car to be a turtle, just that power that's there isn't freeing up because of the Restrictive exhaust system and the boost drop we get after 5500-6K.

My speed6 hits boost at 23-2500K and holds strong all the way till 5500-6K. What I'm feeling is the car's Raw TURBO power rather than the Accord V6 linear smooth feeling that everyone is talking about.

[3+5]

due the current reflash on your speed6, then you come back on here and tell me if you lost power!!

My recall notification says the present recall has been done, & the dealer says all recalls & TSB's are complied with. I haven't had the car serviced since february, so I must have got the present reflash in Feb-Mar, due to the swirl valve problem.

I have had the current reflash since February when the swirl valve popped a CEL.

My other car is a 74 Corvette with 350hp 400ft/lb. I have had turbo cars. I'm 50, and been a motorhead all my life. I have the tendency to think analytically since my background is jet fighter maintenance. I have autocrossed this car since the reflash. I felt no power loss, nothing different at all after the reflash. The tendency here in this particular community is to assume that Mazda is somehow messing up our cars. It's a clear prejudice, demonstrated by so many people's decision to not want the reflash based solely on butt-dyno results that are swayed by the preconcieved notion that any factory adjustment to the program will be bad. :bs:

What they are actually doing is retarding the timing and making the car lean out more fuel running richer while power isn't developing Because of the Boost drop after 5500-6K. Making the power feel more linear.

What's the source of this info?

What I'm saying is let's see some dyno results before & after, or at least dragstrip timeslips. P-R-O-O-F.

[Lil_vicious559]

What's the source of this info?

What I'm saying is let's see some dyno results before & after, or at least dragstrip timeslips. P-R-O-O-F.

I guess you are not to familiar with the car's capabilities and the boost drop we get after 5500-6K.

Take ur MS6 out for a spin and nail it all the way to redline in any gear. After 1st and 2nd gear around 6k, your going to feel the car's power fall flat on its face. Boost drops down to about 4-5psi. Because of the shutter plate valves. The car our ECU isn't reading enough air to maximize and hold boost long enough to redline Because of the Shutter plates.

Why do you think people are getting CP-E's EMS and PG's fuel pump system.

But back on topic. The car will be reflashed wether you take your car in for any service.

I take it you don't have the recent flash on your speed6, i can understand your argument. But at the same time, Mazdaspeed dealership's are doing the reflash probably because of detonation timing.

[mal_tiempo]

You didn't answer his question. How do you know exactly what is being done to the cars during the reflash? Is there a dealer bulletin detailing what's being done? Right now, all you're going by is the seat of your pants, and I don't trust that. I've already had mine done, and it feels like a V6, almost G35-like now. G35 coupes are still pretty quick, so I'm not complaining, I've ridden in a couple stock ones.

I'm slowly gathering from your posts that you're just against whatever Mazda does to our cars at the dealership, or else you wouldn't come off as irrational as you do now.

[Lil_vicious559]

You didn't answer his question. How do you know exactly what is being done to the cars during the reflash?

1.) I'm good friends with the GM.
2.) I bought his Grand touring edition Speed6 with 500miles on it for 26K
3.) I already asked when I stopped by the dealership to see what was going on 2months ago.

So basically i got the letter in the mail 2-3months ago about the Mazdaspeed 6 with certain vin #'s to bring the Speed6 in and getting the recall done for the CEL light and the shutter plate valve problem.

I asked and said will the (service Department) do the Reflash without my approval and he said 70% of the time when there's a recall they will get it done if the car is brought in to get Service done.

Is there a dealer bulletin detailing what's being done? Right now, all you're going by is the seat of your pants, and I don't trust that. I've already had mine done, and it feels like a V6, almost G35-like now. G35 coupes are still pretty quick, so I'm not complaining, I've ridden in a couple stock ones.

You can trust who you want. I'm not here holding a gun to your head making you decide which route to take. But it looks like you already did the flash and now your power feels more linear like a G35 as you say. That's exactly what I'm talking about.

I'm slowly gathering from your posts that you're just against whatever Mazda does to our cars at the dealership, or else you wouldn't come off as irrational as you do now.

I'm not against anything. When the time comes for me to take in my Speed6 to get service done i will. But as it stands right now, I'll take my chances and leave it the way it is. It's almost a garage queen now.

[3+5]

Quote:
Originally Posted by 3+5 View Post
What's the source of this info?

What I'm saying is let's see some dyno results before & after, or at least dragstrip timeslips. P-R-O-O-F.


I guess you are not to familiar with the car's capabilities and the boost drop we get after 5500-6K.

Take ur MS6 out for a spin and nail it all the way to redline in any gear. After 1st and 2nd gear around 6k, your going to feel the car's power fall flat on its face. Boost drops down to about 4-5psi. Because of the shutter plate valves. The car our ECU isn't reading enough air to maximize and hold boost long enough to redline Because of the Shutter plates.

Why do you think people are getting CP-E's EMS and PG's fuel pump system.

But back on topic. The car will be reflashed wether you take your car in for any service.

I take it you don't have the recent flash on your speed6, i can understand your argument. But at the same time, Mazdaspeed dealership's are doing the reflash probably because of detonation timing.

So, since there's no answer, what I get is that you don't know your source, and just guessing what the reflash is doing. It seems you're also convinced that my car hasn't had the reflash, despite the fact that I've posted it has been done several times.
I checked at the dealer, they said ALL RECALLS ARE COMPLETED.

I know all about the high RPM boost drop.

Why do you think people are getting CP-E's EMS and PG's fuel pump system.

Don't try to BS me with that crap. We all know why those components are being installed. Guys are modding for more than stock power. Bigger turbos require tuning and more fuel delivery. They want to eliminate the stock engine control that drops the boost at high RPM, an understandable MOD. The boost drop under stock ECU operation is not a defect, it's a system control.

From 4907H: "What is the problem? The monitor function used to detect Short Fuel Trim maximum threshold strategy is inoperative."


So tell me, when did this become a recall over the "Shutter plate valve"? It's a fault detection circuit that is not capable of detecting a fault that could occur.

Think it's a plot to slow the cars down without us knowing it, disguised as a harmless emissions failure detection thing?

Also from 4907H: "To insure your full protection under the emission warranty made applicable to your vehicle by State or Federal Law, and your right to participate in future recalls, it is recommended you have your vehicle or engine serviced as soon as possible. Failure to do so could be determined as lack of proper maintenance of your vehicle. Also, your vehicle may fail a state or local emission inspection if this recall is not completed.

Go ahead, take your chances. I'm sure the GM will step right in and back you up when Mazda declares you didn't maintain your car properly and voided your emissions warranty. Me? I'll opt to keep my MS6 running correctly, and not give in to foolish paranoia about power losses every time Mazda reflashes my ECU WITHOUT SOLID PROOF THAT IT OCCURS.

[chrisyng]

He doesn't know what is being done to the cars.. and i highly doubt his friend knows specifics either..GM of a dealership or not..
True, you are not "holding a gun" to people's heads regarding getting the flash done or not..however by the tone of your posts and replies to people which border on being condescending towards them you certainly are not coming off as being too credible in my eyes..

You offer explanations for why the car behaves the way it does in a tone like it's written in stone.. however there are so many flaws in your explanations it makes it sound like you just took the popular internet theories people have and made them your own, however misinterpreting them at the same time..

How does this quote from you make sense?

they are actually doing is retarding the timing and making the car lean out more fuel running richer while power isn't developing Because of the Boost drop after 5500-6K. Making the power feel more linear.

You have no proof timing is being retarded ... You then talk about the car leaning out fuel, but also running richer? that doesn't make sense ... Actually, by retarding ignition timing, your egt's will rise.. this will actually cause the turbo to spool quicker... Not that it matters, since the flash will NOT affect your timing ...

in your next post, you blame the loss of boost on the shutter valve.. strange, I thought the drive by wire throttle plates were responsible for limiting boost at higher rpms .. you do realize that throttle plates and shutter valves are 2 diffrent items right?

The recall was also issued for the MS3's, CX-7's, and 4cyl normally aspirated mazda 6's.. you do not hear them complaining about loss of power due to the flash .. why would they include the n/a mazda 6's in the same recall if this flash was ment to detune the DISI motor from blowing up? Unless you belive that this is just a smokescreen to keep mazda from having to admit that there is a problem with the DISI motor ...

There is NO conspiracy going on for mazda to purposely reduce ms6's power to keep the motor reliable.. there's just alot of fear mongering going on by mostly uninformed individuals who are creating all sorts of scenarios to try and explain something they can not..

[Lil_vicious559]

So, since there's no answer, what I get is that you don't know your source, and just guessing what the reflash is doing. It seems you're also convinced that my car hasn't had the reflash, despite the fact that I've posted it has been done several times.
I checked at the dealer, they said ALL RECALLS ARE COMPLETED.

Slow your roll buddy. I hope you are not challenging me on my quotes i stated. For being 50yrs old you have a stubborn way of comprehending and taking into consideration that my statements are coming from my own personal opinion and somewhat legit.

And what proof do you want me to provide.

1.)People are complaining about the power loss of the MS6 after the recent reflash they've had.
2.)people have stated the fact that the car's power is more linear like a V6 rather than the Raw TURBO power you feel from a SRT4 or MS3/MS6.
3.)I said the GM said 70% of the time you take your car in for service, the service department will do most of the recalls that are out.

I know all about the high RPM boost drop. Don't try to BS me with that crap. We all know why those components are being installed. Guys are modding for more than stock power. Bigger turbos require tuning and more fuel delivery.

So in other words your trying to say that in order to gain power and eliminate the Shutter plate valve and Boost drop problem that Bigger Turbo's are required??(braindead

Yeah there are some people out there that are running bigger turbo's, but you don't need to run a bigger turbo to eliminate the problem.

They want to eliminate the stock engine control that drops the boost at high RPM, an understandable MOD. The boost drop under stock ECU operation is not a defect, it's a system control.

Thanks for notifying me, I'm sure we all know that already.

"What is the problem? The monitor function used to detect Short Fuel Trim maximum threshold strategy is inoperative." So tell me, when did this become a recall over the "Shutter plate valve"? It's a fault detection circuit that is not capable of detecting a fault that could occur.

Here smart guy i'll post pictures for you all you have to do now is read look and read.

September 2007 due to recall
2007, CX-7, 2007 mazdaspeed 3, 2006-2007 Mazdaspeed6
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/1742/papercb1.jpg

once again pictures of the models of the cars for RECALL
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/3204/paper22ni4.jpg

Proof of Shutter plate swirl valve.
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/7076/paper3bx8.jpg
What is the Problem?
Due to variety of friction the variable swirl shutter valve and position switch, the shutter valve actuator may not be able to fully depress the position switch. This is especially true during cold ambient temperatures and will cause the malfunction indicator light(MIL) to illuminate with the DTC P2006 (variable swirl shutter valve stuck closed) stored in memory. Presence of this concern will not affect the operation of the shutter valve actuator.

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/7076/paper3bx8.jpg
WHAT WILL MAZDA DO?
Your Mazda dealer will reprogram the PCM to include the latest calibration, and replace the variable swirl shutter valve actuator with a modified one free of charge. The repair should take approximately one hour to complete. However, it may take longer depending on the necessary repairs and service workload at your Mazda dealership.

[Lil_vicious559]

As i was stating the dealer will reprogram the PCM to include the Latest calibration and variable swirl shutter valve actuator.

Which is why people are feeling the linear v6 powerband. Rather than the raw TURBO power that's intact.

[chrisyng]

For some reason, I don't think it's 3+5 who is having problems with reading comprehension ...

[mal_tiempo]

(deadhorse

That's all we're doing arguing with him. I already know he doesn't REALLY know what's going on, because there is no proof of actual power loss, just a perceived change in power delivery. Don't confuse the two.

[3+5]

(deadhorse
+1

[SilversunMSP]

If we wanted a linear feel of V6, guess what we would have bought. The majority have noticed the power loss or at least change in the power curve.

[LBV]

I had the 2 recent flashes done (4807H & 4907H) and absolutely hated the way the car ran after - it drove different, it sounded different, the power just wasn't there. But after about a week it appears to be back to the way I remember... so just give it some time.

[clos561]

i think that flash is to recalibrate the computer for the shutter valve and emission which is because of soot from exhaust. maybe the flash leans the car a bit. anyone with a/f gauge could notice f this is true or not. my car didnt seem slower or faster. its all a mental thing in my opinion and you shouldnt worry about it.

[JaxJeff]

I guess you are not to familiar with the car's capabilities and the boost drop we get after 5500-6K.

Take ur MS6 out for a spin and nail it all the way to redline in any gear. After 1st and 2nd gear around 6k, your going to feel the car's power fall flat on its face. Boost drops down to about 4-5psi. Because of the shutter plate valves. The car our ECU isn't reading enough air to maximize and hold boost long enough to redline Because of the Shutter plates.

Why do you think people are getting CP-E's EMS and PG's fuel pump system.

But back on topic. The car will be reflashed wether you take your car in for any service.

I take it you don't have the recent flash on your speed6, i can understand your argument. But at the same time, Mazdaspeed dealership's are doing the reflash probably because of detonation timing.

I havent had the recall done... 06 MS6 yet because of everything ive heard on here and people That i know in person that have had it done... both 07's. As far as the falling flat at 6k. I agree ... BUT actually have noticed that since I put a CAI on the cars seems
to hold power longer ...almost to 6700 Id say. Anbody else notice this post CAI ???

[berad]

Completely stock. Got flashed today. Power band is smoother and sees higher rpm but no loss. I like it actually. Saves me having to shift so much with our short gears after boost drops off.

Take it as you will. I just wanted to keep up for factory warranty purposes...until Cobb releases the Accessport :naughty:

[3+5]

Took mine through the gears the other day, purposely to watch the tach in the first four gears, (till I ran into traffic on the freeway) no power drop all the way to redline.

[Lil_vicious559]

Completely stock. Got flashed today. Power band is smoother and sees higher rpm but no loss. I like it actually. Saves me having to shift so much with our short gears after boost drops off.

Take it as you will. I just wanted to keep up for factory warranty purposes...until Cobb releases the Accessport :naughty:

Took mine through the gears the other day, purposely to watch the tach in the first four gears, (till I ran into traffic on the freeway) no power drop all the way to redline.

Both of you will not gain any power all the way to redline from the Reflash. Now your just being ignorant.

The power drop loss will still be there regardless of the flash. You need an EMS and Fuel pump to hold better power to redline.

The car hits a brick wall after 5500-6000K depending on which gear your in at certain RPM's.

(help)

[berad]

Both of you will not gain any power all the way to redline from the Reflash. Now your just being ignorant.

The power drop loss will still be there regardless of the flash. You need an EMS and Fuel pump to hold better power to redline.

The car hits a brick wall after 5500-6000K depending on which gear your in at certain RPM's.

(help)
Never said all the way to redline. All I said was it changed and there was no loss of power. Definitely smoother now.

[evo'skickass]

i just got the car back from the dealer today after having the re-call done. It does feel alot smoother and alot of the stutters that happened when i was part-throttle are gone, and it does run slightly different, but nothing drastically different. Its a mental thing, because you dont get as much of a snap on and off power like before, its not any slower then it was, and it still runs just like a turbo car. actually runs alot more like the 335i i drove with the tiny ass turbos...but man that thing could pull and very very linear too. i dont mind the flash. i think its just taking time to adjust to the settings, like one of posters said before, give it a week or so, should be back to normal.

[gooniac33]

Took mine through the gears the other day, purposely to watch the tach in the first four gears, (till I ran into traffic on the freeway) no power drop all the way to redline.

My car was recently reflashed after the swirl valve was replaced. Only thing that is different is at about 6000 RPM. It used to noticably fall off in power. But now it is less abrupt. With the way this thing makes torque it is useless to go past 6k rpms anyway. And it makes power much smoother now than before. It is still just as fast but not as abrupt. This car is really a sleeper in 6th gear at anything above 70MPH. No need to shift at all. Just nail it and go. But if you drop a gear it really rockets forward!! I love this car but it has minor issues. Like it feels like there is a mount or something loose that needs to get fixed. And in the rain it still handles like it does in the dry. I am loving this car big time !!

[acidbbg]

I have had all the flash/recalls done for the ecu..swirl..etc.

I can say that i have def lost power..but power seems more linear. Aka flatter power band..

Power in 4th,5th,and6th def feels slower...but i never downshift b/c this turbo gives me 5psi at mere 2krpms.

And i occasionally get the stutter..it really depends on the weather to be honest.

-C

[dutchbuffalo]

Has anyone noticed any improvement in gas mileage since that is what the recall is for.

[acidbbg]

To be honest..when i first purchased the car..i would easily get over 300miles and it would be right about 1/4 gas tank left.

But after all of the flashes and such..i don't see better than 275-290..And thats with shifting at 3k rpms. No WOT launches..etc.

-C

[03MSP]

Just when I'm thinking about going in to get the clutch issue fixed I see this thread...I'm scared now :(

[Qwik6]

I also noticed that i get less gas mileage after the 2 recalls being fixed. I used to get 325 a tank and now im averaging about 275. Also there is no power drop off and it holds 16psi to redline. But every once in a while the car will be real hesitatant with a major power loss and buck under any hard accelleration but then clear up.

[Lil_vicious559]

I have had all the flash/recalls done for the ecu..swirl..etc.



I can say that i have def lost power..but power seems more linear. Aka flatter power band..

Power in 4th,5th,and6th def feels slower...but i never downshift b/c this turbo gives me 5psi at mere 2krpms.

This is exactly what i have been trying to tell everyone.

Just when I'm thinking about going in to get the clutch issue fixed I see this thread...I'm scared now :(

Don't be scared!! lol

I also noticed that i get less gas mileage after the 2 recalls being fixed. I used to get 325 a tank and now im averaging about 275. Also there is no power drop off and it holds 16psi to redline. But every once in a while the car will be real hesitatant with a major power loss and buck under any hard accelleration but then clear up.

I get around 320 to 1/4tank left doing 70mph on the highway!!

BTW: the car drops boost in every gear after 55-6K rpms. Boost does not hold till redline unless your modded or something.

[03MSP]

This is exactly what i have been trying to tell everyone.



Don't be scared!! lol



I get around 320 to 1/4tank left doing 70mph on the highway!!

BTW: the car drops boost in every gear after 55-6K rpms. Boost does not hold till redline unless your modded or something.

Why wouldn't I be scared when you're so sure that the flash is going to make me lose power haha. If I go in for the clutch issue they will probably do the flash as well.

I wonder if I specifically ask them not to if they will comply...hmm.

[Igve2shtz]

Every time I go into the dealer, he reminds me of the flash, and I just simply turn it down. I dont think he is too happy about it, but, I just went in there and told him flat out, I didnt want it done because I have no problems since I have 93 octane here. He agrees, and lets me go.

[Lil_vicious559]

Why wouldn't I be scared when you're so sure that the flash is going to make me lose power haha. If I go in for the clutch issue they will probably do the flash as well.

I wonder if I specifically ask them not to if they will comply...hmm.

Nahh don't be scared, but I think even if you were to have another problem with the 6 or a different recall if they come out with one, The service department will probably flash it anyways....lol

[Lil_vicious559]

Son of a biscuit. I just recently purchased a MS CAI and i noticed how the boost kicks in around 25-2800rpms.

Well My AC isn't working so i called my dealership in and they were supposed to look at it!! Turns out i needed a certain part some kind line for the AC. Anyways i was thinking to myself that i should do the recall and reflash the ECU. As stupid as i am i let the dealership do it.

I CAN DEFINITELY TELL YOU I LOSS POWER. FREAKIN BOOST DOESN'T KICK IN AROUND 32-3500RPMS. POWER DOESN'T FEEL STRONG AT ALL.(deadhorse

My MS6 is a (black-cherry) 2006 GT

I knew i shouldn't have done it.......................SOB(chair)

[LBV]

After I complained about the power loss the service advisor said it makes you lose 25HP ... I said "what?" and he changed the subject ...

[berad]

http://cobbtuning.com/products/?id=4223

[Lil_vicious559]

After I complained about the power loss the service advisor said it makes you lose 25HP ... I said "what?" and he changed the subject ...

What i actually got was that if you don't do the recall/Reflash and you want to smog you're car. IT WON"T PASS SMOG, because of the CEL code that it's been throwing. He said it might not come up, but when they check the code's it will read it.

Still even though i lost power and I'm very upset at myself for even thinking about flashing my car.

You Don't have to smog a new car after 5years. I have 3yrs left

This REFLASH IS (butt)

[speed6r]

After numerous calls to Mazda I convinced them to re-re-flash my cpu back to the earlier version before I experienced the power loss. I'm happy to report that the re-re-flash was done today and I fell in love with my car all over again!!!! The difference is tremendous!! It’s like night and day!! Just call Mazda customer service (1800-222-5500) and blast them over the reflash. I made it a point to say that my car was back firing and that this is a performance car that is not performing. I told customer support that this was not the car that I had originally bought and that something needed to be done and I would not drop the issue until the problem was fixed. Good luck to all!! It’s defiantly possible to have it flashed back and in my opinion it needs to be done! CALL MAZDA!!!!

(breakn)

[ms6z]

Besides the stock ecu reflash, can't i just go with a different reflash route. Full Control, cobb, etc???? If i do go with a full control reflash would i encounter check engine lights, regarding emisions or recall shitt???

[Lil_vicious559]

Besides the stock ecu reflash, can't i just go with a different reflash route. Full Control, cobb, etc???? If i do go with a full control reflash would i encounter check engine lights, regarding emisions or recall shitt???

Yeah you can go with different Aftermarket reflash's!! The stock ECU Reflash were talking about has to do with emissions!! If you ever buy the cobb AP or any other devices make sure you download the stock settings and keep em just in case you ever have to take your back to the dealership!!

[Alexander37]

there's probably nothing that can be done after the reflash has been done!! Best bet now is to get a EMS and tune it.

Anybody feel like they lost power up top in triple digit speeds?? I have tooken the MS6 to 151mph but let off. Im sure it could have gone more.........

I have had all of the recalls done, including reflash, and now also have a brand new engine that was put in after blowing up at 33000 miles with NO MODS EVER, but I have never noticed a dramatic power loss. If you feather the clutch and gas it without stomping on it, it goes fine. Anyone who hasn't had the clutch replacement done, I highly recommend in doing it. Especially if you have an earlier model '06 with decent miles on it, a brand new clutch is mighty nice to get on their dime. You can tell the dealer you don't want the flash done, mine asked if I wanted it before it was done. However, I don't think it makes a huge difference, but then again, I have never tried to romp on it too hard.

^^ I also want to know how you got around the governor to get it over 150mph with more to go?

[Lil_vicious559]

I have had all of the recalls done, including reflash, and now also have a brand new engine that was put in after blowing up at 33000 miles with NO MODS EVER, .....Wow how did the engine blow on your car???? If you don't run it hard!!


but I have never noticed a dramatic power loss. If you feather the clutch and gas it without stomping on it, it goes fine. I'm pretty sure any car drives fine, without romping on the gas!!


Anyone who hasn't had the clutch replacement done, I highly recommend in doing it. Especially if you have an earlier model '06 with decent miles on it, a brand new clutch is mighty nice to get on their dime. It's called wear and tear on the car, once the clutch goes out, another one should be replaced.


You can tell the dealer you don't want the flash done, mine asked if I wanted it before it was done. However, I don't think it makes a huge difference, but then again, I have never tried to romp on it too hard. Exactly my point

^^ I also want to know how you got around the governor to get it over 150mph with more to go? what governor?? If you don't drive your car hard then you wouldn't know, If your referring to car magazines then quit magazine racing......There's no governor at 150

[Alexander37]

Wow, thanks for the attack. As far as me "Not romping on my car", I don't slam the friggin gas pedal to the floor every time I get in. I do get on it every now and then when needed. I don't need to do 150mph. If I was taking it to the track or dragging it sure, but I didn't buy the car to race the hell out of it. Up here, AWD was the big attraction. And as for the clutch replacement, if you know how to drive, you shouldn't need a clutch after having the car for 2 years. Thats not wear and tear, thats driving like an idiot. If they are going to get one in under warranty, why wouldn't you get it done???? Maybe I should clarify "decent miles on it" as in say 20-30k. Why did my engine blow? Couldn't tell you, and neither could any technician that worked on it including an engineer that helped design and build the car. Something was f*d with it from the beginning. And regarding the governor, you can get around it with overriding the computer, I understand that. However, if you are saying that the car is not governed at all when stock, wrong! Sounds like you are taking all of this way out of context. More interested in what program you used to do it. Sorry if you took it that way. Trying to help, not be a douche.

[Lil_vicious559]

Wow, thanks for the attack. As far as me "Not romping on my car", I don't slam the friggin gas pedal to the floor every time I get in. I do get on it every now and then when needed. I don't need to do 150mph. If I was taking it to the track or dragging it sure, but I didn't buy the car to race the hell out of it. Up here, AWD was the big attraction. And as for the clutch replacement, if you know how to drive, you shouldn't need a clutch after having the car for 2 years. Thats not wear and tear, thats driving like an idiot. If they are going to get one in under warranty, why wouldn't you get it done???? Maybe I should clarify "decent miles on it" as in say 20-30k. Why did my engine blow? Couldn't tell you, and neither could any technician that worked on it including an engineer that helped design and build the car. Something was f*d with it from the beginning. And regarding the governor, you can get around it with overriding the computer, I understand that. However, if you are saying that the car is not governed at all when stock, wrong! Sounds like you are taking all of this way out of context. More interested in what program you used to do it. Sorry if you took it that way. Trying to help, not be a douche.


LOL dude........didn't mean it that way!!

Now that i re-read my post it does seem kinda harsh, No hard feelings dude......my bad

[Lil_vicious559]

(hand)Sometimes i just tell it like how it is.....LOL(rofl)

[Alexander37]

LOL dude........didn't mean it that way!!

Now that i re-read my post it does seem kinda harsh, No hard feelings dude......my bad

None taken. Had a feeling it was misundertsanding on my part too. (2thumbs)

[Lil_vicious559]

None taken. Had a feeling it was misundertsanding on my part too. (2thumbs)

(drinks)

[speed6r]

After numerous calls to Mazda I convinced them to re-re-flash my cpu back to the earlier version before I experienced the power loss. I'm happy to report that the re-re-flash was done today and I fell in love with my car all over again!!!! The difference is tremendous!! It’s like night and day!! Just call Mazda customer service (1800-222-5500) and blast them over the reflash. I made it a point to say that my car was back firing and that this is a performance car that is not performing. I told customer support that this was not the car that I had originally bought and that something needed to be done and I would not drop the issue until the problem was fixed. Good luck to all!! It’s defiantly possible to have it flashed back and in my opinion it needs to be done! CALL MAZDA!!!!

(breakn)

^^^^^^

[Alladin]

So after spending 10 minutes reading this whole thread and arguments, has ANYONE done a before and after test to find out if there is actually a power loss or not?

For what it's worth, my girlfriend has a Volvo S80 Turbo and although the car is fast, you barely notice the turbo kick in. It's just much more noticable in our cars but that doesn't mean you're making less power.

[Igve2shtz]

I have done a back-to-back in two different cars. My 2006 no flash, and my buddies 2007. Mine is better.

[Alladin]

Better quarter mile time? Better horsepower? Better handling? Better braking?

Any stats at all will do.