View Full Version : 2008.5 MAZDASPEED3 - Now in CRYSTAL WHITE and METROPOLITAN GRAY
Babyface13
11-08-2007, 01:56 AM
EXTERIOR ENHANCEMENTS:
Sunlight Silver and Cosmic Blue are being discontinued. That's right. If you want one of these colors: Buy now, or say goodbye. Because starting January 2008, there's a new color line up.
The new line up of colors is Black Mica, True Red, Crystal White Pearl Mica, and Metropolitan Gray Mica (a unique charcoal gray which was on the Anniversary Edition RX-8 for one year).
INTERIOR ENHANCEMENTS:
This is where things get juicy.
Everything that was once a Dark Gray trim is now being replaced with PIANO BLACK (center console, decorative strip, trim panels, switch panels, steering trim, etc.) The Decoration panel will now also include a MAZDASPEED logo. (my guess is it'll be engraved in)
All CD players are now MP3 compatible.
That's right, the seats for the Grand Touring are now listed as black alcantara with leather bolsters.
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s266/jjohnson1368/2008MAZDASPEEDchanges.jpg
aaronc7
11-08-2007, 01:58 AM
sad face
link?
edit: nm...just saw in 'other forum'
Babyface13
11-08-2007, 02:02 AM
Yeah I got this from another forum but wanted to share with you guys.
walti
11-08-2007, 02:13 AM
this is bullshit! Please tell me this isn't happening.
Mr. 4500 RPM
11-08-2007, 02:14 AM
which other forum? can you pm me the exact link?
RJKSpeed3
11-08-2007, 02:15 AM
oh crap!!! just bought my ms3 yesterday... white one would be nice..
Mr. 4500 RPM
11-08-2007, 02:19 AM
I dont see white added on there, only the metor gray. But I could be blind.
Babyface13
11-08-2007, 02:30 AM
That is a good point. I didnt catch that. HMMM?????
Babyface13
11-08-2007, 02:38 AM
Acording to the source The White is not a NEW color to the Whole lineup so it dosent say that its added. Just like it dosent say that SS has been deleted because you can still get it on the MZ3. Maybe this will help.....
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s266/jjohnson1368/20085MS3ColorChart.jpg
deserthootman
11-08-2007, 02:40 AM
Acording to the source The White is not a NEW color to the Whole lineup so it dosent say that its added. Just like it dosent say that SS has been deleted because you can still get it on the MZ3
can you get a scanout from him? sry im a doubter
deserthootman
11-08-2007, 02:43 AM
interesting
Babyface13
11-08-2007, 02:44 AM
^^ is that better?
I wish I could have got a white one, still like the silver though. And the mp3 compatibility should have been done in 2007.
deserthootman
11-08-2007, 02:45 AM
CWP FTMFW!(headbang)
Babyface13
11-08-2007, 02:46 AM
I will probably get sick the first time I see a white one around here lol
I also think the white gauges will be a nice touch. What I think they mean like that is that the guages will light up white durring the day and change to red at night like the RX-8
deserthootman
11-08-2007, 02:47 AM
^^ is that better?
Having white available makes my day much better. I was soon to be pulling the trigger on a CB, not now haha.
Wonder if my dealer will even know anything about this yet(shrug)
Mr. 4500 RPM
11-08-2007, 02:49 AM
I told the dealer that I would be sold if a white MS3 came out because I have a black p5 now and am on a white trend as of late. But when they originally came out NO WHITE. So honestly, I might save to buy a white one since I am selling the P5 and working right now . . .
The link didnt work because of how awesome the censorship of these forums are, sorry about the waste of a PM man.
Babyface13
11-08-2007, 02:51 AM
no problem man
deserthootman
11-08-2007, 02:53 AM
thanks for the info man. Im sure this thread will be full of much anger from the current ms3 owners by tommorow
Babyface13
11-08-2007, 02:55 AM
No matter what I am still glad that I am fortunate enough to own a MS3
deserthootman
11-08-2007, 02:56 AM
tru
orlandomsp
11-08-2007, 02:57 AM
It's sad to see the cosmic blue go, but white is going to look badass. Anyone have a picture of what the new grey will look like?
deserthootman
11-08-2007, 03:02 AM
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q307/Boost_Addict/MetroGrayMS31.jpg
Got this off other forum, unsure of accurracy
deserthootman
11-08-2007, 03:04 AM
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q307/Boost_Addict/0611_c2007_mazdaspeed_301.jpg
Babyface13
11-08-2007, 03:05 AM
I would believe that is pretty acurate, I remember reading an article about that color being available in japan.
Hirudin
11-08-2007, 04:36 AM
I'm not a fan of the white personally. I of-course want it because I cannot have it, but if it were one of the "regular" colors I don't think I'd choose it.
That grey though, sick! I'm sorta glad they didn't announce they're going to start selling the "Aurora" (I think) Blue... I covet that color like no other.
Mocoso
11-08-2007, 04:43 AM
From the chart it looks like Silver is going away also on the MS3... interesting... then again I have to wonder why they are going thru so much trouble for a mid-run change on the last year run on a limited prod. run...
jam_asian85
11-08-2007, 06:13 AM
Ok, just curious here. Was this scan from a Mazda USA catalog or was it from the Mazda Canada, seeing how Canada already has the CWP MS3 and all they would be doing is just adding the MGM to their sales.
daonly1around
11-08-2007, 06:45 AM
man i hope this is true, won't be a need to buy a used 06 ms6 just to get the white color i want...!!!!! this better not be a fib, although that grey is kinda HOT!
AutoXRacer
11-08-2007, 07:27 AM
This is :bs:!!!!!! (pissed)
I just got mine late last month and I would have loved to have a charcoal one!!! Including the MP3 player!!! I am soooooo pissed!!!!! (pissed)
Babyface13
11-08-2007, 07:58 AM
as far as I know it IS true. My source got his information from a dealer in so cali. I will try to confirm this today while I am at school.
Babyface13
11-08-2007, 08:02 AM
VIDEO OF THE GREY CAR AT TUSTIN MAZDA DURING A DEMO DAY:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=X1sAgI9id78
redspeed3tk
11-08-2007, 08:10 AM
true red is still better than any grey....cwp is awesome until ya need something painted bc it never matches and it looks stupid i want a mp3 player
Sacrilicious
11-08-2007, 08:19 AM
the gray would definitely have been a good choice to have, but i am all about my CB...=D the only other thing that i really like about these changes is the mp3 player upgrade...that should have been in there to begin with! ><;
on the bright side, this makes our CB even MORE rare! ooo...special! ;o
Je5ter
11-08-2007, 10:27 AM
CPW rules as you can see.. I don't know about the white guages though...??
Boosted03MSP
11-08-2007, 10:35 AM
Hmmmm for an MS3 in white I may just have to trade the MSP in.....(spin)
ispypsi
11-08-2007, 10:36 AM
eh. i guess it's good that silver is gone, means less numbers of them.
i like the gauges how they are. and i like the seats how they are, alcantara is cool, but not a huge improvement over the ones we have now.
i will, however, be going to pick up an MP3 player sometime after they're out. I know it's technically available now, but I'll just wait for these models to come out and then maybe i can get one for cheaper.
Foolish
11-08-2007, 10:45 AM
Well, shit. Now I have to buy one.
I've wanted white all along.
Incidentally, what are automakers thinking when they don't include MP3 playback in all their cars?
TurboWagon
11-08-2007, 11:41 AM
This is great news for CBM owners. I like white and gray but it still means Cosmic Blue Mica is Mazdaspeed3 specific. Scoop them while you still can!!!
However, it would be nice of Mazda to do a recall to install a MP3 player on out stereos for those who bought early (im not counting on it though). I can pass on the black interior even thought it will probably look great!
Sacrilicious
11-08-2007, 11:44 AM
This is great news for CBM owners. I like white and gray but it still means Cosmic Blue Mica is Mazdaspeed3 specific. Scoop them while you still can!!!
our cars are gonna be worth MILLIONS in a few years!!!
...or so i keep telling myself...(eekdance)
BlueWagon
11-08-2007, 12:15 PM
Wow, thanx for info. Was going to get a blue GT, but now maybe I'll wait for Grey since now MP3 compat.
PeterC
11-08-2007, 12:25 PM
From the chart it looks like Silver is going away also on the MS3... interesting... then again I have to wonder why they are going thru so much trouble for a mid-run change on the last year run on a limited prod. run...
Right...limited production run. 2007 was limited. With this news I am having serious doubts there are any limitations on the production of the MS3 anymore. The car is doing great business...it takes nothing more than a nod from Mazda to make more of them to meet demand, and it appears they are doing so. Our cars are no longer going to be as unique.
BlueWagon
11-08-2007, 12:33 PM
I have been keeping track of the Speed3 inventory in the San Fran area and they are moving very briskly. I'd say each new one is sold in no more than 1-2 weeks if that. I saw speed6 that was not sold for like 6 months. So the Speed3 are doing well. I sure hope when I pick mine up I won't start to see one on every block like the Civic Si. That would take the fun out of owning a Speed3.
voiceKoil
11-08-2007, 12:33 PM
thats laaaammmmmeeee Their going to taunt us now with a Mp3 player, stupid mazda pricks! (flame2)
Ah I remember when I was buying my Cosmic Blue, I was looking at the crystal white pearl 3hb in the showroom and thinking man I wish I could have that color, then months later I found out that Canada got it, I was pissed, now their bringing it here, well Im just as pissed but atleast my car will look dated to everyone though, like those orange Srt4s, you know what year they are because of the color, you think in the back of your head ha ha you didnt get to pick the Si Blue, instead you got poop orange, lol aahhh j/K. Which makes it rare at the same time.... They should have had Mp3 and white from the get go, but I guess they didnt have a problem with sales so no reason I guess, now this is incentive for everyone that held back...Luckiess...(pissed)
On a plus side I do like my color, and so do old people....Anyone else get a lot of comps from the old???? I find it very odd, Ive even caught them peering in my windows when its parked, asking me what that noise was when they catch me at redlights, its strange, it must be the Color/Stationwagon Appeal....And if I ever lemon my car I could pick a new color??!!
TurboWagon
11-08-2007, 12:34 PM
Right...limited production run. 2007 was limited. With this news I am having serious doubts there are any limitations on the production of the MS3 anymore. The car is doing great business...it takes nothing more than a nod from Mazda to make more of them to meet demand, and it appears they are doing so. Our cars are no longer going to be as unique.
Hopefully they are going to think about the long term and re-sale values rather than short term but thats just me. However, it WOULD be appropriate for the Mazdaspeed3 to see 3 years of production with a color change halfway through. Is this what they are thinking?
PeterC
11-08-2007, 12:39 PM
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tsunami
11-08-2007, 01:03 PM
wow very cool... .i really like that grey... wondering how much of a pita it would be to put my 3hb back to stock and trade it in... mmmmmmmm???
SharkDiver
11-08-2007, 01:04 PM
I just hope they dont keep making the speed3 after 08.I want the value of my car to stay high and if they keep making them then it will just keep going down.I do wish I had the grey tho.
dkswim
11-08-2007, 01:05 PM
what are the implications of having 2008.5 on the 2009 model year? or are they just trying to use up leftover paint?
Powerslave
11-08-2007, 01:06 PM
i like the white!! and the black interior sounds cool with the mazdaspeed engraving
fourthmeal
11-08-2007, 01:08 PM
I'm very much interested in the interior pieces, like the gloss black parts. My '08 Tribute has that in it, and it is GORGEOUS! Seriously, it just sets it off in the interior! If that is really truly coming to the MS3, I will find a way to purchase those parts and slap them in mine.
Anybody, are there interior pics?
///M Compact
11-08-2007, 01:10 PM
I'm still happy with my CBM GT; the new colors are OK, but nothing I would have picked over CBM. That said, had Mazda made a bright yellow or orange available...
D.WES415
11-08-2007, 01:44 PM
im happy. iv been jealous of the canadians cause they get the white. but hahaha we get it too. lol
Sierra117
11-08-2007, 01:57 PM
Colors don't bother me at all, I like my Black Mica, and the only way I would want another color is a nice royalish blue. But I want the seats...I less than three alacantra. *Crosses fingers for a few early wrecks to pick some up*
Bravnik
11-08-2007, 02:07 PM
If you have ever had a white car before, you would never want another.
White shows dirt the opposite of black. Where black shows DUST it does not show bug spots, tar, road grime etc.
White does not show DUST, but it will show everything else. Every bug you hit you will see, every rock chip, spec of road tar etc.
I normally have black cars (MY MS3 included) but in 2000 I traded in my Black Volvo 850T for a White Chevy Pickup (Got a Saint Bernard and needed the back).
I WILL NEVER, have another white car. EVER. I swear I spent HOURS cleaning the front of that Truck and it was a losing battle. Between the rock chips, tar and bugs I could not keep that front clean.
Black I can handle. Sure it sucks to wash it and an hour later have a layer of dust. But honestly when its clean and polished properly there is nothing that looks as good.
blkMs3th
11-08-2007, 02:21 PM
I WILL NEVER, have another white car. EVER. I swear I spent HOURS cleaning the front of that Truck and it was a losing battle. Between the rock chips, tar and bugs I could not keep that front clean.
too funny, I am just the opposite, this is my first black car, and it shows all kinds of dirt wayyyyyyyyy more than my white vw ever did. I'd get white again, but but not black. To each there own I spose...
the black looks _sweet_ when its clean and waxed though
D.WES415
11-08-2007, 02:23 PM
i never had a white car b4. i like how they look though
TXspeed3
11-08-2007, 02:29 PM
still love my CBM its different and hardly ever looks dirty!!
Bravnik
11-08-2007, 02:29 PM
too funny, I am just the opposite, this is my first black car, and it shows all kinds of dirt wayyyyyyyyy more than my white vw ever did. I'd get white again, but but not black. To each there own I spose...
the black looks _sweet_ when its clean and waxed though
Yah black shows Dust and Pollen as well as WaterMarks and Swirls. But if you do your washing, drying and polishing right, the only thing you will see is Dust/Pollen (In about 10m but oh well)
Wait till you wash the front of your MS3 in like 2mins without having to bust out the tar/bug remover and scrub pad. Not to mention inside the wheel well lip and the bottom of the doors behing the front wheels.
I will live with the dust (burnout)
Captain KRM P5
11-08-2007, 02:30 PM
so my wife's car's color is deleted (phantom purple)? that was a one year wonder :D
Bravnik
11-08-2007, 02:31 PM
still love my CBM its different and hardly ever looks dirty!!
Yah CBM and Grey are great for not showing anything. I have a SS RX8 as well and it takes forever before I see it needs a wash. I think I wash my MS3 every weekend (first)
I do think that Mazda needs to give us a lifetime supply of towels to clean our fricken tailpipe with. Wow have a ruined a ton of rags already on that thing.
Jays07MS3
11-08-2007, 02:58 PM
still love my CBM its different and hardly ever looks dirty!!
Agree 100% Best color I've ever had on a car as far as keeping clean. I've had white, black, maroon and blue. Blacks the worst followed closely by white.
But that Gray looks amazing! And I'm really bummed about the MP3 thing. I so thought mine played MP3's when I bought it and was pissed when I found out the truth.
Oh well, I still love my car (drive)
D.WES415
11-08-2007, 03:17 PM
11:12:12 AMSystemWelcome Darryl ...
11:12:12 AMSystemConnecting to server. Please wait...
11:12:12 AMSystemConnected to Mazdachat.mazdausa.com
11:12:21 AMSystemErik has joined this session!
11:12:21 AMSystemConnected with Erik
11:12:32 AMYouhello
11:12:47 AMErikThank you for connecting with Mazda’s Personal Shopping Assistant. my name is Erik. How may I be of assistance to you today?
11:13:17 AMYouis it true that mazda is goin to make a 2008.5 mazdaspeed3 in white and grey?
11:13:27 AMYouthis is the word on mazda forums
11:14:42 AMErikNo. That info is not correct.
11:15:33 AMYouoh ok. thanks you answered my question.
D.WES415
11-08-2007, 03:18 PM
someone aint tellin the truth
PeterC
11-08-2007, 03:33 PM
To get rid of dust on your black car get a California Car Duster...it is only $9 at Target and worth every penny. Won't help much with water marks, but it cleans up dust very well and will extend your car wash interval.
redspeed
11-08-2007, 03:36 PM
Crystal White Pearl!!! NOOOOOOOOO!!! (sad1)
If this shit is true, I will be one of the most angry mazda customer EVER!! (bang)
D.WES415
11-08-2007, 03:48 PM
^ why is that
MS3-oholic
11-08-2007, 04:02 PM
I love the white, but I'm from texas and those bird sized mosquitos would make owning one almost impractical. I still find myself staring at my CBM loving the color even after a year. I am a little angry about the interior change though. Sounds like it is going to look awesome!
jbiird317
11-08-2007, 04:54 PM
I am a little angry about the interior change though. Sounds like it is going to look awesome!
Look AND feel awesome. Those alcantara inserts are gonna be sweet. Thats the same material that they use on the porsche 911 GT3 interior. It is soft, durable, and all around an awesome upgrade.
stageup
11-08-2007, 04:55 PM
that erik doesn't know anything, he's a kid being paid 10 an hour to answer questions on a pc, i got the same reply
12:19:25 PM System Connecting to server. Please wait...
12:19:25 PM System Connected to Mazdachat.mazdausa.com
12:20:04 PM System Erik has joined this session!
12:20:04 PM System Connected with Erik
12:20:15 PM Erik Thank you for connecting with Mazda’s Personal Shopping Assistant. My name is Erik. How may I be of assistance to you today?
12:20:39 PM You hi is the mazdaspeed3 replacing cosmic blue and silver, for white and grey as a 2008.5 model refresh?
12:20:59 PM Erik No, it is not.
12:21:28 PM You i'm being told by dealers they are and am holding out on making a color choice
12:21:56 PM You so would you already be informed if they were planning to make changes? or would the dealer have the most up to date information?
12:22:15 PM Erik There have been no plans to introduce White and Gray to the MAZDASPEED3.
12:22:29 PM You ok thank you very much
12:22:40 PM Erik Thank you for contacting Mazda's Personal Shopping Assistant team. I have enjoyed to opportunity to assist you. Have a great day!
crystalmeth3
11-08-2007, 05:21 PM
I JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH MY LOCAL MAZDA DEALER (penn.) AND HE >>>>>>>VERIFIED<<<<<<<<<< THIS IS TRUE. IN FACT I AM LEAVING RIGHT NOW TO BE THE FIRST ON THE LIST FOR WHITE!!!!
HE VERIFIED THRU MAZDA DIRECTLY AND SAYS THEY WILL BE HERE IN APRIL/MAY, THEY CANNOt BE ORDERED NOW BUT I AM SIGNING UP.
I WILL OWN A WHITE MS3 IN THE USA, JUST LIKE IN MY FANTASY.
MSelo
11-08-2007, 05:25 PM
I JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH MY LOCAL MAZDA DEALER (penn.) AND HE >>>>>>>VERIFIED<<<<<<<<<< THIS IS TRUE. IN FACT I AM LEAVING RIGHT NOW TO BE THE FIRST ON THE LIST FOR WHITE!!!!
HE VERIFIED THRU MAZDA DIRECTLY AND SAYS THEY WILL BE HERE IN APRIL/MAY, THEY CANNOt BE ORDERED NOW BUT I AM SIGNING UP.
I WILL OWN A WHITE MS3 IN THE USA, JUST LIKE IN MY FANTASY.
wow....
daonly1around
11-08-2007, 05:26 PM
someone with more than 300 post call a stealership and ask if this is true
D.WES415
11-08-2007, 05:41 PM
i have 49 posts but thousands on moccforums.com. i called my local dealer (menlo mazda, redwood city, ca) and they acted like they didnt know a damn thing. i dont know now. imma call another one
Adammazda06
11-08-2007, 06:31 PM
well i work at a dealership and i am on the mazda dealer site as we speak trying to verify the earlier post. i have not found anything yet, but i will let you know when i do.
Young Roids
11-08-2007, 06:38 PM
This is the best new I have heard all day!
Right...limited production run. 2007 was limited. With this news I am having serious doubts there are any limitations on the production of the MS3 anymore. The car is doing great business...it takes nothing more than a nod from Mazda to make more of them to meet demand, and it appears they are doing so. Our cars are no longer going to be as unique.
This is what I was thinking as well. Sounds like they might just keep on making speed3s and say forget the two year rule.
Hopefully they are going to think about the long term and re-sale values rather than short term but thats just me. However, it WOULD be appropriate for the Mazdaspeed3 to see 3 years of production with a color change halfway through. Is this what they are thinking?
I think it would be great if they keep on making these cars. How is having more parts and probly more aftermarket support a bad thing? I think it is great that they might keep on producing these. Screw having a limited car blah blah bla.
Adammazda06
11-08-2007, 06:57 PM
It Is True!!!!!!!!!!! I Am Looking At Right Now. I Think I Might Be Trading Come Next Spring.
jungleradio
11-08-2007, 06:59 PM
I would have liked white too. but, when i wanted the car, it wasn't available. but, i've learned over time that there will always be upgrades to the cars we drive. we just need to learn to realize that if we always want something different, that makes it hard to love what we have already.
it's cool to see that cosmic blue will be a little more rare now. nice (strike) ha
btw, you guys have so many damn icons its ridiculous; but awesome.
crystalmeth3
11-08-2007, 07:04 PM
Just got back from the dealership. I filled out the order form for a 2008 WHITE ms3 GT. I put a deposit on it and they did a credit check and loosley valued my trade because it will be APRIL/MAY when my new car arrives. I was talking to the MANAGER on how he verified. He called a big-shot Northeast Region Mazda Sales/Supply guy who verified. They said the order I made will be placed with the factory as soon as they make the switch to 2008.5s. I just hope that the new gt alcantara seats will be heated like the base 3 gt models, probably not because there was no mention but all other info posted here on first page is accurate.
In summary: Order Paper filled out, Money down, Car arrives April or May... White MS3 GT in America, ill be one of the first. (2thumbs)
D.WES415
11-08-2007, 07:06 PM
i hope its here by june cause imma get one for my bday
deserthootman
11-08-2007, 07:10 PM
Just got back from the dealership. I filled out the order form for a 2008 WHITE ms3 GT. I put a deposit on it and they did a credit check and loosley valued my trade because it will be APRIL/MAY when my new car arrives. I was talking to the MANAGER on how he verified. He called a big-shot Northeast Region Mazda Sales/Supply guy who verified. They said the order I made will be placed with the factory as soon as they make the switch to 2008.5s. I just hope that the new gt alcantara seats will be heated like the base 3 gt models, probably not because there was no mention but all other info posted here on first page is accurate.
In summary: Order Paper filled out, Money down, Car arrives April or May... White MS3 GT in America, ill be one of the first. (2thumbs)
How much did they make you front. Im thinking of doing the same thing and i am naive on how the whole process works
Young Roids
11-08-2007, 07:14 PM
How much did they make you front. Im thinking of doing the same thing and i am naive on how the whole process works
+1 and can you bargain them down when doing this or do you have to pay msrp if you order in advance?
jungleradio
11-08-2007, 07:16 PM
+1 and can you bargain them down when doing this or do you have to pay msrp if you order in advance?
there's always room for negotiation, never let them tell you otherwise. (yes)
D.WES415
11-08-2007, 07:17 PM
i remember when the speed first came out. they wanted 1000 down to hold it and check your credit.
deserthootman
11-08-2007, 07:24 PM
then when the car comes, i assume you make your down payment and finance dealy
Young Roids
11-08-2007, 07:25 PM
there's always room for negotiation, never let them tell you otherwise. (yes)
But if you put money down it seems like you have lost your most powerfull move wich would be to walk away from the table if you don't like your deal.
crystalmeth3
11-08-2007, 07:28 PM
$100 is about the mininum amount you can put down on a car to place an order. It puts your name on the order sheet and no one can take it from you by putting more money down or anything else, it is basically a contract signed with cash guaranteeing you this car.
I didnt try to negotiate the price tonite and with the value of my trade up in the air, i wont have to until they have a delivery date for me. thats when my trade gets valued for real and it gives me the chance to haggle. Although the fact that i came to them for this car and they did not have to "sell" it to me doesnt give me much leverage in bargaining. I will try to knock $500 off the msrp but will not pay a penny more than sticker.
The dealer knows to call me when the order is placed, the car is manufactured, when the car is in port, and when it will be delivered. Im going along for the safety-check drive as soon as it gets off the truck so I know my car is treated right. i have it all planned out, any more questions, i will try to answer them.
deserthootman
11-08-2007, 07:29 PM
But if you put money down it seems like you have lost your most powerfull move wich would be to walk away from the table if you don't like your deal.
well i believe they know you wont walk away seeing how you will put 1000 dollars towards a car that you might not possibly see untill may. I believe the deal would be to negotiate price upon placing your security deposit? correct me if I,m wrong.
crystalmeth3
11-08-2007, 07:31 PM
i can leave the deal at any time up until i drive the car off the lot and i will get my deposit back.
As far as having to put $1000 down, it varies from dealer to dealer but i am young, 23, but solely own my 05 m3s and it is paid off so they know i am good for the deal.
negotiation will be tougher but still possible.
D.WES415
11-08-2007, 07:43 PM
i can leave the deal at any time up until i drive the car off the lot and i will get my deposit back.
As far as having to put $1000 down, it varies from dealer to dealer but i am young, 23, but solely own my 05 m3s and it is paid off so they know i am good for the deal.
negotiation will be tougher but still possible.
yea you can walk away from anything.... up till you signed the papers. this is only on a NEW car. if its a used you can buy a 2day cancellation. which means that you can drive the car for 2days and take it back without any other fees. also a dealer can charge you a restocking fee to take the car back without the 2day cancellation. i jus looked this up on the dmv site
Jasonstiller
11-08-2007, 08:28 PM
Is it me or am I reading the scan on the 1st page wrong. I see nothing on there stating that the mazdaSPEED3 is adding white.
jungleradio
11-08-2007, 08:41 PM
I believe the deal would be to negotiate price upon placing your security deposit? correct me if I,m wrong.
that's it exactly. before throwing money down, low ball them as much as possible on the price. when i picked up my MS3, i told them I am not taking this car for more than $19,000 as "that's what i think it's worth." got away with it at $22k.
Babyface13
11-08-2007, 08:41 PM
Look at the other chart that I posted right below that. The reason they didnt say anything about adding the white on the shet is because the sheet is for the entire 3 lineup and CWP is not a NEW color to the whole lineup. Just like it dosent say that SS is being discontinued on the MS3 because it will still be available on the MZ3.
Here now its closer.....
Acording to the source The White is not a NEW color to the Whole lineup so it dosent say that its added. Just like it dosent say that SS has been deleted because you can still get it on the MZ3. Maybe this will help.....
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s266/jjohnson1368/20085MS3ColorChart.jpg
Babyface13
11-08-2007, 08:46 PM
The real treat is for the MZ3 buyers they get 4 NEW colors... well Copper red isint new but its cool that its making a comeback. Also the MZ3 Grang touring get the added power seat( Did it have that before?)
Young Roids
11-08-2007, 08:49 PM
that's it exactly. before throwing money down, low ball them as much as possible on the price. when i picked up my MS3, i told them I am not taking this car for more than $19,000 as "that's what i think it's worth." got away with it at $22k.
22k out the door price?
Adammazda06
11-08-2007, 08:56 PM
nope, it never had power seat. also look at the navi package. it now comes with sat radio and 6 mos. free
jungleradio
11-08-2007, 08:58 PM
22k out the door price?
throw some taxes and it pumps it up, but selling price on my purchase agreement is $22k. MS3 cosmic blue GT, no nav. i was negotiating for 3 1/2 hours with 3 different sales people, including the owner of the dealership. quite the customer service story. (boom08)
Babyface13
11-08-2007, 09:01 PM
For the recor I said I would find out for sure today if this is true...IT IS After I delivered my horrible speech in my speech 191 class today I went to the dealership that I worked at before going back to college and I talked to the General manager about it. He the took those same sheets of papper that I got scans of from my other source and handed them to me. So I will say it again for the record IT IS TRUE!!!!
ill_eagle94
11-08-2007, 09:06 PM
If I see a white one in person, I will need new underpants. :)
D.WES415
11-08-2007, 09:11 PM
^lol
wongpres
11-08-2007, 10:10 PM
what are the implications of having 2008.5 on the 2009 model year? or are they just trying to use up leftover paint?
Great point, and the answer is that the next-gen Mazda3 is coming later, hence 2008.5 for both US and Canada.
Young Roids
11-08-2007, 10:36 PM
For the recor I said I would find out for sure today if this is true...IT IS After I delivered my horrible speech in my speech 191 class today I went to the dealership that I worked at before going back to college and I talked to the General manager about it. He the took those same sheets of papper that I got scans of from my other source and handed them to me. So I will say it again for the record IT IS TRUE!!!!
This is the best new I have heard in a long time. Thanx bro.
Nachtsturm
11-08-2007, 11:53 PM
I am beyond furious. Furious is an understatement. Not even enraged fits.
I am at a loss of words.
White is my favorite color. I just bought my Black Mica like 45 days ago. If I was told white was coming out...I would have waited.
If my mazda dealer, does not help me get into a 2008.5 reasonably, I will never buy another Mazda product again. Now I know how the 04 GTO guys felt when the 05 came out.
I'll be back, I'm going to go break something.
Haltech
11-09-2007, 12:02 AM
eh. i guess it's good that silver is gone, means less numbers of them.
i like the gauges how they are. and i like the seats how they are, alcantara is cool, but not a huge improvement over the ones we have now.
i will, however, be going to pick up an MP3 player sometime after they're out. I know it's technically available now, but I'll just wait for these models to come out and then maybe i can get one for cheaper.
Alcantara actually sucks. My Lightning has those seats and i gotta tell you, the wear on them just plain sucks. Be prepared to get em reupholstered in a few years.
I would definately swap out my interior for piano black though!
stageup
11-09-2007, 12:21 AM
Alcantara actually sucks. My Lightning has those seats and i gotta tell you, the wear on them just plain sucks. Be prepared to get em reupholstered in a few years.
I would definately swap out my interior for piano black though!
i can vouch for this also, my wife's is300 is wearing horribly, and we're careful getting in and out of the car always.
i'm more pissed off at the mp3 feature. i can live with silver, but i was asking the dealer when i bought it why does canada and the regular 3 get pearl white but not the ms3 :( i got mine sept 22, and i would have gladly waited as well if i knew it was coming.
redspeed
11-09-2007, 01:11 AM
^ why is that
Dude! Have you seen a white ms3? Crystal white pearl looks Hot on a ms3 IMO.
Pics are from forum member Jsin
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/adrenaline22/IMGP0003.jpg?t=1183945001
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/adrenaline22/IMGP0006.jpg?t=1183945049
Pics are from forum member freeMS3.
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=109085
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=109086
Oh and that aurora blue down in Australia is freaking nice too!
Pics are from forum member Bricktop.
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/6307/dsc02911ao7.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7050/copyof1000524sa1.jpg
Je5ter
11-09-2007, 01:14 AM
Here is mine
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1245340&id=507520135
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1245340&id=507520135
jbiird317
11-09-2007, 09:05 AM
Alcantara actually sucks. My Lightning has those seats and i gotta tell you, the wear on them just plain sucks. Be prepared to get em reupholstered in a few years.
I would definately swap out my interior for piano black though!
maintenance of this material is definitely required, but if it is cleaned and treated properly it should be way more wear resistant than regular suede
Babyface13
11-09-2007, 04:11 PM
I really like that blue from down under. Looks hot to me!!!
Jasonstiller
11-09-2007, 04:39 PM
Bloody hell that really fookin pisses me off!! Fkn maxda, why didnt they do this from the get go. Now i really gotta pimp my ride to make myself feel better.
flipstylex
11-09-2007, 04:50 PM
darn !!! now my wife is pissing me off telling me that i should have waited...bcuz she always like the white one...i told her it's not worthit to trade my cosmic blue in....but i'm happy, cosmic blue is gonna be rare :-)
dkswim
11-09-2007, 05:03 PM
damn i want that blue it look niccceeee.
bmman93
11-09-2007, 05:37 PM
Mazda Sucks Now! I Miss My Sonic Blue Off Of My Ranger! It Would Be Hot If They Bring That One Here! Idd Have To Lose A Lot Of Money Not To Buy It, If It Did Come In Blue! Im Having A Hard Time Wiht The White( Im Becoming A White Whore, I Wanted A White Truck Or Sti). Only If This Tread Came Out A Month Ago I Would Have Waited Sob!
dkswim
11-09-2007, 05:59 PM
i was looking at the white STi as well with those gold BBS they look great. i wonder how the MS3 will look with some gold OZ ultreagelagas
Adammazda06
11-09-2007, 08:52 PM
i was looking at the white STi as well with those gold BBS they look great. i wonder how the MS3 will look with some gold OZ ultreagelagas
SEXY! not only do i love white pearl, but a big reason i wanted white to begin with was to put some gold wheels on it. where can i find some nice 19 inch gold wheels?
Oxymoron
11-09-2007, 09:26 PM
where can i find some nice 19 inch gold wheels?
http://victoriatire.com/wheel_SPORT%20MAX%20RACING_962%20GOLD_MAZDA_3%2520 MAZDASPEED%25202007_19_19
bmman93
11-09-2007, 09:41 PM
my mazda dealer dont no anything bout this color change! he said he was under the impression that they are gona stop making ms3 in 2-3 months! lol hes gona find out for me tho and he said he'd help me out if it is true
Adammazda06
11-09-2007, 10:13 PM
my mazda dealer dont no anything bout this color change! he said he was under the impression that they are gona stop making ms3 in 2-3 months! lol hes gona find out for me tho and he said he'd help me out if it is true
it is 100% true. i work at a dealership. tell him to log onto MX connect, go to sales new, look in the lower left for product information. mid year product enhancement for the 3 will be at the top.
jalaan1
11-09-2007, 11:10 PM
white!!!!!!!!!
man am i glad that was waiting til spring.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/adrenaline22/IMGP0003.jpg
that's what i'm talkin' about!
bmman93
11-10-2007, 12:30 AM
it is 100% true. i work at a dealership. tell him to log onto MX connect, go to sales new, look in the lower left for product information. mid year product enhancement for the 3 will be at the top.
kool stuff man ill do that tommarow!
flipstylex
11-10-2007, 02:16 AM
I'm so jelouse of the white one ;-(
Donas64
11-10-2007, 03:10 AM
Aurora Blue & Pearl white are bringing sexy back. Wow!
MSLou
11-10-2007, 07:17 AM
i wish i had mp3 capability
clos561
11-10-2007, 10:04 AM
true red ftw(nana)(boobs2)
Donas64
11-10-2007, 11:25 AM
true red ftw(nana)(boobs2)
yeah, until white and the new "real" blue come out. :)
daonly1around
11-10-2007, 11:40 AM
she will be mine, oh yes she will be mine
CHICO2003
11-10-2007, 12:31 PM
I love how nobody's givin the Metro Gray any love. I love white as well... but feel the MG color fits the car's personality more. Reminds me of the photos Subaru has released of the new Sti.
http://www.msprotege.com/members/CHICO2003/speed3athdqrtrs1.jpg
Found this on another site... some dude photoshopped what he thinks the new interior (minus the gauges) will look like. Pretty cool... but certainly nothing to go crazy about imo.
http://www.msprotege.com/members/CHICO2003/Mazdaspeed3111111111wpianoblack.jpg
All this talk from CB owners about how cool it is for their color to be MS specific and all... shut it! lol no offense but... I'm just not feelin that color. Everytime I see one, it looks purple to me. Granted, having an orange MSP, I know a thing or two about love it/hate it colors so my opinion really means jack... but it's NOT a reason to go buy one. Hell, if Mazda had a puke green color that was specific to the mazdaspeed3... would you urge people to buy one for that reason? of course not. in the end, it comes down to the color... what looks good and... well, what doesn't.
Lastly... I'm bummed about Silver being discontinued. That to me was the best color. It matched the wheels perfectly and, for whatever reason, that looked sweet.
As much as I'd like to get a silver... buying a car like this right before/during the winter season isn't smart. So... I'll be holding out like most of you for either a white or that metro gray... The cool thing about the MG is, like the silver matching the wheels, it won't be hard to achieve the same effect (on the stock wheels no less). A little excess brake dust and you're all set! haha
CHICO2003
11-10-2007, 12:33 PM
Forgot to mention...
who gives a shit about mp3 compatibility? Get an ipod (or whatever) and plug it in to your aux.... (or, even better, get one of those connectors)
The CD medium is on its last leg. Is anyone actually still burning cds? haha Seriously... this shouldn't be a reason to hold out for a new one.
Donas64
11-10-2007, 12:49 PM
Forgot to mention...
who gives a shit about mp3 compatibility? Get an ipod (or whatever) and plug it in to your aux.... (or, even better, get one of those connectors)
The CD medium is on its last leg. Is anyone actually still burning cds? haha Seriously... this shouldn't be a reason to hold out for a new one.
I burn MP3 CD's all the time. For road trips and such. That will probably stop when I get my sansa view though.
CHICO2003
11-10-2007, 01:31 PM
I guess I'm assuming all of us (since we're gen x/y) have MP3 players. Assuming you do, all it takes is a $5 cable from radio shack to connect it to your aux port (found in your center armrest people) and you're in business. Instead of burning CDs (which is tedious, costly and annoying) you simply sync whatever it is you want to your MP3 player of choice and hit the road.
The ONE downside (with the setup I mentioned) is that your battery won't charge while you're connected... meaning you couldn't go on a LONG roadtrip...
jbiird317
11-10-2007, 01:47 PM
The ONE downside (with the setup I mentioned) is that your battery won't charge while you're connected... meaning you couldn't go on a LONG roadtrip...
and you dont get the capability to control the mp3 player with the steering wheel/console controls
Donas64
11-10-2007, 02:19 PM
I guess I'm assuming all of us (since we're gen x/y) have MP3 players. Assuming you do, all it takes is a $5 cable from radio shack to connect it to your aux port (found in your center armrest people) and you're in business. Instead of burning CDs (which is tedious, costly and annoying) you simply sync whatever it is you want to your MP3 player of choice and hit the road.
The ONE downside (with the setup I mentioned) is that your battery won't charge while you're connected... meaning you couldn't go on a LONG roadtrip...
and you dont get the capability to control the mp3 player with the steering wheel/console controls
Yup. 10 hr drive. 2 MP3 Cds and I'm set there and back. Although for around town, hooking up your MP3 player is the better choice.
CHICO2003
11-10-2007, 02:19 PM
yeah... I guess I forgot about that. hmm....
Jays07MS3
11-10-2007, 02:21 PM
and you dont get the capability to control the mp3 player with the steering wheel/console controls
Exactly! And it doesn't sound NEARLY as good as a CD. The aux jack is OK but I would much prefer the CD deck to play MP3's.
And anyways, someone just broke my window to steal my MP3 player that I had in my car :(
CHICO2003
11-10-2007, 02:23 PM
though it's a stretch... there ARE MP3 players that can handle a 10hour jaunt. But regardless... there are car chargers for those things so even that's not an excuse. The ability to change the track/volume though... good point. Then again, if that's your only gripe... just get that ipod connection that allows you to control it from your HU.
I guess my point is... just like tape slots no longer exist in cars, CD slots will soon follow.
dichiee
11-10-2007, 02:26 PM
looks like I won't have a car until the white comes out :D
Nokkers3
11-10-2007, 08:30 PM
Damn you Mazda! (argh) Oh well, I was going to paint my car Pearl White eventually anyways
Albert
11-11-2007, 12:12 PM
Stupid Mazda. This makes me mad.
muchdutch
11-11-2007, 03:17 PM
We have had the white for a while (Canada) and I think it is fierce looking - I think that's the best word to describe it - fierce!
I love it and am glad you US folks get to enjoy it too.
I like the charcoal, though I don't think it looks as sharp. I know there was already a bit of a discussion about white vs black earlier, but can any Canadian who has a white one comment on how dirty it gets? Especially in winter with sand/salt/mud? Is it easy to clean the pollen/bugs off in the summer?
uaggrav8me
11-12-2007, 02:06 AM
I've read through the posts -- but either I'm blind, really forgetful, or no one mentioned it -- when are the 08.5 models supposed to be rolling out here?
I'm looking to trade/sell my current car, and I need to time things right. It'd be nice to wind up with the latest and greatest (debatable, i suppose).
Also -- will there be a price hike? Sounds to me like the upgrades = upgraded cost, right? It'd be nice if our dealership friend could answer some of these questions.
thanks!
Adammazda06
11-12-2007, 11:30 AM
I've read through the posts -- but either I'm blind, really forgetful, or no one mentioned it -- when are the 08.5 models supposed to be rolling out here?
I'm looking to trade/sell my current car, and I need to time things right. It'd be nice to wind up with the latest and greatest (debatable, i suppose).
Also -- will there be a price hike? Sounds to me like the upgrades = upgraded cost, right? It'd be nice if our dealership friend could answer some of these questions.
thanks!
on another page on the spec deck said scheduled for january production, so i would guess they should be hitting dealerships late feb at the earliest but more than likely march. i have emailed my mazda district salesmanager about when our dealership can start ordering them. i will pass the information on once he gets back with me. price hike will be minimal if any.
MSelo
11-12-2007, 02:21 PM
Meh, I'm happy with TR....however...if that australian aurora blue came out I'd probably punch my cat.
Adammazda06
11-12-2007, 09:05 PM
on another page on the spec deck said scheduled for january production, so i would guess they should be hitting dealerships late feb at the earliest but more than likely march. i have emailed my mazda district salesmanager about when our dealership can start ordering them. i will pass the information on once he gets back with me. price hike will be minimal if any.
my DM emailed me back and said dealerships can go ahead and start ordering the 2008.5. if you want to be one of the firsts to get one of the colors, i would go ahead and order one asap. i know i am.
Bengilante
11-14-2007, 11:15 AM
Damn. If my head gasket on the previous car hadn't gone out, I would have waited for a Metallic Gray. Back to washing the black mica...
D_Roc7822
11-14-2007, 09:21 PM
yeah this is really tempting.. cause its either try and wait it out with my POS hyundai scoupe (if anyone remembers that) that I hardly think will make it past this month and get a white MS3. Or just say F it and get the black or silver one they have @ the dealership right now. Decisions decisions. Ahh its too much pressure.
redspeed
11-14-2007, 09:25 PM
yeah this is really tempting.. cause its either try and wait it out with my POS hyundai scoupe (if anyone remembers that) that I hardly think will make it past this month and get a white MS3. Or just say F it and get the black or silver one they have @ the dealership right now. Decisions decisions. Ahh its too much pressure.
Aaah Hyundai Scoupe, We had the turbo version back in PR. I don't think it came to the states.
If you know you're gona get a new ms3, why not wait and get the new colors. Unless you want one of the current ones.
D_Roc7822
11-14-2007, 09:30 PM
Aaah Hyundai Scoupe, We had the turbo version back in PR. I don't think it came to the states.
If you know you're gona get a new ms3, why not wait and get the new colors. Unless you want one of the current ones.
yeah that sounds good in theory but when Im stranded on the side of the road from whatever is wrong with the scoupe (and trust me it could be a variety of things) Ill be kicking myself in the balls on why I didnt get one. And I think the turboed version of the scoupe did make it to the states just to clarify. Saying turbo & scoupe in the same sentence just should never happen. Its like saying Geo Metro & turbo..
redspeed
11-14-2007, 09:41 PM
yeah that sounds good in theory but when Im stranded on the side of the road from whatever is wrong with the scoupe (and trust me it could be a variety of things) Ill be kicking myself in the balls on why I didnt get one. And I think the turboed version of the scoupe did make it to the states just to clarify. Saying turbo & scoupe in the same sentence just should never happen. Its like saying Geo Metro & turbo..
Hey, believe me, there are some sick fast turbo Hyundai's back home in PR. People just modify any 4 banger down there, and make it fast as hell. Most of the work is custom, by the way.
D_Roc7822
11-14-2007, 10:01 PM
Hey, believe me, there are some sick fast turbo Hyundai's back home in PR. People just modify any 4 banger down there, and make it fast as hell. Most of the work is custom, by the way.
yeah it would have to be lol... cause I was gonna rice out the scoupe but all I could find is a fart can lol.
Antonio DiMarco
11-14-2007, 11:07 PM
EXTERIOR ENHANCEMENTS:
Sunlight Silver and Cosmic Blue are being discontinued. That's right. If you want one of these colors: Buy now, or say goodbye. Because starting January 2008, there's a new color line up.
The new line up of colors is Black Mica, True Red, Crystal White Pearl Mica, and Metropolitan Gray Mica (a unique charcoal gray which was on the Anniversary Edition RX-8 for one year).
INTERIOR ENHANCEMENTS:
This is where things get juicy.
Everything that was once a Dark Gray trim is now being replaced with PIANO BLACK (center console, decorative strip, trim panels, switch panels, steering trim, etc.) The Decoration panel will now also include a MAZDASPEED logo. (my guess is it'll be engraved in)
All CD players are now MP3 compatible.
That's right, the seats for the Grand Touring are now listed as black alcantara with leather bolsters.
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s266/jjohnson1368/2008MAZDASPEEDchanges.jpg
But you know what, although the piano black finish would look nice it would probably scratch pretty easily and get damned hot in the sun. MP3 playback is a non-issue for me. However I do like the grey, but not enough to regret buying my Sunlight Silver.
SPEED305
11-15-2007, 11:05 AM
But you know what, although the piano black finish would look nice it would probably scratch pretty easily and get damned hot in the sun. MP3 playback is a non-issue for me. However I do like the grey, but not enough to regret buying my Sunlight Silver.
+1
I dont care what they do to it, i love my Sunlight Silver(first)
fourthmeal
11-15-2007, 11:09 AM
Not too bad, really. I have an 08 Tribute with this piano-black interior trim, same style as planned in the new MS3. It isn't too bad with scratches, especially if you coat it with good wax (Zaino for me)...I've scratched it with a metal tool, but it somewhat buffed right out! It is so pretty though...I really like the idea of swapping my interior parts to this stuff.
But you know what, although the piano black finish would look nice it would probably scratch pretty easily and get damned hot in the sun. MP3 playback is a non-issue for me. However I do like the grey, but not enough to regret buying my Sunlight Silver.
Quiksilver05
11-16-2007, 09:24 PM
Anyone want to trade Sunlight Silver for a white one? :D Seriously tho the white MS3 looks pretty sweet!
crystalmeth3
11-16-2007, 11:09 PM
i am passing up the alacantra seats. That is the most attractive feature now on the the gt but i ordered a white one and i will not have the same ability to haggle the final price as a guy who walks off the street and wants a car that is on the lot. If there is no price increase for the 2008.5 or an extra charge for white (like in canada) then there is something like a $1600 difference in price for the sport to the gt,... I would rather spend that on upgrades (clearbra, tint, springs) than have the alacantara, hids, and bose.
call me crazy, i had regret as soon as i got off the phone with the dealership to change my order from gt to sport but i plan on spending $2000 on upgrades.
Adammazda06
11-16-2007, 11:29 PM
i am passing up the alacantra seats. That is the most attractive feature now on the the gt but i ordered a white one and i will not have the same ability to haggle the final price as a guy who walks off the street and wants a car that is on the lot. If there is no price increase for the 2008.5 or an extra charge for white (like in canada) then there is something like a $1600 difference in price for the sport to the gt,... I would rather spend that on upgrades (clearbra, tint, springs) than have the alacantara, hids, and bose.
call me crazy, i had regret as soon as i got off the phone with the dealership to change my order from gt to sport but i plan on spending $2000 on upgrades.
dont forget auto wipers too! haha. i love the alcantara, and i have regret not getting navi on my current 07. especially since i vacationed in hilton head. you can't find nothing there because all the buildings look exactly alike. but you're not crazy. everyone has their own preference.
Young Roids
11-17-2007, 01:16 AM
i will not have the same ability to haggle the final price as a guy who walks off the street and wants a car that is on the lot.
The dealer has to love that. They will probly just rake you on it.(drunk)
CHICO2003
11-17-2007, 03:33 AM
dont forget auto wipers too! haha. i love the alcantara, and i have regret not getting navi on my current 07. especially since i vacationed in hilton head. you can't find nothing there because all the buildings look exactly alike. but you're not crazy. everyone has their own preference.
you're better off without the (factory) nav. It's garbage.
If you're in the market, check cnet for the latest reviews on portable navs... or better yet, do what I did and get yourself a pioneer avic d3. Metra makes a nice dash kit for double din HUs.
CHICO2003
11-17-2007, 03:37 AM
i am passing up the alacantra seats. That is the most attractive feature now on the the gt but i ordered a white one and i will not have the same ability to haggle the final price as a guy who walks off the street and wants a car that is on the lot. If there is no price increase for the 2008.5 or an extra charge for white (like in canada) then there is something like a $1600 difference in price for the sport to the gt,... I would rather spend that on upgrades (clearbra, tint, springs) than have the alacantara, hids, and bose.
call me crazy, i had regret as soon as i got off the phone with the dealership to change my order from gt to sport but i plan on spending $2000 on upgrades.
Considering nobody has even seen the seats on the new car, I wouldn't necessarily say you're crazy for buying a sport. (especially based on the reasons you gave.) I WOULD, however, say you're crazy for buying one the way you did and thus, killing your chances of getting a deal.
I was THIS close to buying an MS3 a couple weeks ago. Had them down to $100 over (the actual, not their BS) invoice. Would've been a sweet deal but I'm glad (especially now) that I bailed. (unlike most, I'm diggin the metro grey color) Point is... Even with white being as popular as it is, eventually the excitement will die down (just like it did when the car first came out) and there will be excess inventory to be had... at rock bottom prices.
If you need to be the first to have one THAT bad... go for it. But when the average person keeps a car for 3+ years, waiting an extra couple months or so in order to trim a grand or more off the principal makes sound financial sense.
CHICO2003
11-17-2007, 03:42 AM
+1
I dont care what they do to it, i love my Sunlight Silver(first)
I agree. bad move on Mazda's part imo. Obviously they had their reasons... but I think SS is the best color overall... including white. It fits the sleeper image and the way it matches the wheels makes it look bad ass.
After seeing this vid (:54) I was sold.... well, sort of.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMjfgKl-4N4
crystalmeth3
11-17-2007, 11:44 AM
Isnt white a rare color in Canada where they have been offering it all along? I just want to make certain i will get a white one instead of hoping the dealer has one incoming or on the lot. The dealer i ordered from said it should be arriving April/May. Doesnt that leave about 3 months of the 2008.5? I would kick myself if i saw the white and no matter how hard i tried, could not get one off some dealers lot.
I hope i can get $500 off sticker. I think thats completely possible.
ordering postive: guaranteed car, exact car you want (color, options), informed delivery date to sell current car and deal with all other car related hassles like insurance, NO TEST DRIVE MILES (i will be there when the tech takes it off the truck for the safety shake-down drive), no competing with other buys for the same car as the dealer takes highest bidder.
ordering negatives: the anticipation, the higher sale price.
M3 5MT
11-17-2007, 02:16 PM
whatever....you can all wait for the white...I can go out and DRIVE my MS3 now...isn't that what counts most?
....goddamit I wanted white...
Young Roids
11-17-2007, 05:09 PM
ordering postive: guaranteed car, exact car you want (color, options), informed delivery date to sell current car and deal with all other car related hassles like insurance, NO TEST DRIVE MILES (i will be there when the tech takes it off the truck for the safety shake-down drive), no competing with other buys for the same car as the dealer takes highest bidder.
I can deffinently see why you would want to order your car. I would to but then it is like they have you by the balls when time come to deal on price.
Adammazda06
11-18-2007, 01:00 AM
I can deffinently see why you would want to order your car. I would to but then it is like they have you by the balls when time come to deal on price.
yeah, if you special order a car, it is the set price. usually msrp. keep in mind though. invoice to msrp markup is only around 1500-1600.
deserthootman
11-18-2007, 06:12 AM
I plan on ordering one myself. I figured I would probably have to pay msrp and was okay with that. If not, any tips?
jichoe
11-18-2007, 08:04 AM
and here I was just about ready to trade in my car...looks as if I'm waiting
crystalmeth3
11-18-2007, 11:53 AM
i will ask for 2% off sticker (about $500) when it comes time to deal with price and value of my trade in. if they say no, i will say lets compromise. Its highly unlikey i will trade in my car so they will not be making any money off that and basically i should get atleast $250 off if not $500. my sales guy is easy going and we get along well. i think i can work something small out, hopefully.
Adammazda06
11-18-2007, 12:38 PM
i will ask for 2% off sticker (about $500) when it comes time to deal with price and value of my trade in. if they say no, i will say lets compromise. Its highly unlikey i will trade in my car so they will not be making any money off that and basically i should get atleast $250 off if not $500. my sales guy is easy going and we get along well. i think i can work something small out, hopefully.
one thing i would suggest is to be nice and respectful. you can negotiate and still be pleasant to deal with. if you negotiate and are an ass to me, i am not going to help you out in the future if you have any problems. so be respectful. but if you catch one of these salesmen who is stupid and obviously lying, ask to speak with them general sales manager. they typically bend over backwards to make someone happy.
if you plan on ordering start by saying you know it has 1500 in markup and you would be willing to go ahead and order one i they would split it to 750 over. all they can say is no. "if you never ask, the answer is always no"
CHICO2003
11-18-2007, 02:03 PM
ordering postive: guaranteed car, exact car you want (color, options), informed delivery date to sell current car and deal with all other car related hassles like insurance, NO TEST DRIVE MILES (i will be there when the tech takes it off the truck for the safety shake-down drive), no competing with other buys for the same car as the dealer takes highest bidder.
ordering negatives: the anticipation, the higher sale price.
Certain types of cars demand this more than others. When you look at the options list on this car, it's rather barren. Compare it to... I don't know, a Jeep Grand Cherokee and you'll see like 50x the amount of possibilities.
For cars like that, if you have discerning tastes and can't find the EXACT car you're looking for on the lot, I agree... specially ordering it is the (only) way to go.
No test drive miles sounds good... but you can usually find cars on a lot with little-to-no miles. Hell, you can just have them call you when one arrives since they come on a faily regular basis. It'll still have the plastic on it and everything.
Competing with other buyers? yeah, that'll happen... early on in the model cycle. But once things die down... and they will... you'll have the upper hand again.
CHICO2003
11-18-2007, 02:05 PM
yeah, if you special order a car, it is the set price. usually msrp. keep in mind though. invoice to msrp markup is only around 1500-1600.
which is the difference between sport and gt
So... special order a sport and pay sticker.
or.... wait a bit, find a brand new GT and pay the same.
or get a sport and pay $3k less than you originally budgeted for
GhostMercury
11-19-2007, 04:55 PM
anyone found pics of the interior yet?
Adammazda06
11-19-2007, 05:49 PM
anyone found pics of the interior yet?
i checked just the other day and mazda has not released pictures yet. i would speculate the seat insert will look like the rx-8 shinka alcantara but in black.
GhostMercury
11-19-2007, 10:35 PM
i hope i like the seats as much as i like the seats in the ms3 now
Adammazda06
11-19-2007, 10:57 PM
i hope i like the seats as much as i like the seats in the ms3 now
as soon as they release pics i will let everyone know. i check on it a couple times a week.
GhostMercury
11-19-2007, 10:58 PM
good deal thanks
bacarl
11-20-2007, 11:00 AM
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q307/Boost_Addict/0611_c2007_mazdaspeed_301.jpg
Ha! Does anyone know where this pic originates from? I just noticed that it's taken at Milan Dragway, my "home" track here in southeast Michigan! That seems a little strange if it's a corporate marketing/advert photo...
I'm also really interested to see these interior changes, thanks for keeping us posted Adam
Adammazda06
11-20-2007, 04:48 PM
Ha! Does anyone know where this pic originates from? I just noticed that it's taken at Milan Dragway, my "home" track here in southeast Michigan! That seems a little strange if it's a corporate marketing/advert photo...
I'm also really interested to see these interior changes, thanks for keeping us posted Adam
i think it was from automobile mag since it kinda says that in the lower right. but the issue came out last year. late summer or early fall. because they were testing a gray one and a white one if i remember correctly. some people think it is the metropolitan gray expected to come out but i don't remember ever reading that. maybe someone still has that issue lying around the house.
crystalmeth3
11-20-2007, 05:04 PM
i do have that issue still. ill read it and let you know but if you ask me thats has always been the black mica reflecting a gray sky.
GhostMercury
11-20-2007, 05:55 PM
someone said they had confirmation somewhere in this thread
Natedog_37
11-21-2007, 10:15 AM
Ha! Does anyone know where this pic originates from? I just noticed that it's taken at Milan Dragway, my "home" track here in southeast Michigan! That seems a little strange if it's a corporate marketing/advert photo...
I'm also really interested to see these interior changes, thanks for keeping us posted Adam
Not odd at all. That mag, along with 4 others are based out of Ann Arbor.
Milan is were most of the Auto mags. test there cars. I was at Milan when Auto Trend was testing the then new March 1.
Also was in there Mag when I was hit going down the track by a POS Trans Am:(
crystalmeth3
11-21-2007, 11:34 AM
read the magazine article for Nov. 2006, no mention of color at all. I say its too dark to be gray.
GhostMercury
11-21-2007, 01:42 PM
either way we can all hope. i will comprimise the 2 colors and get silver lol
GhostMercury
11-21-2007, 11:05 PM
i am deffinatly interested in the interior though
crystalmeth3
11-21-2007, 11:18 PM
white ftw, not sure if wheels will fit tho
bacarl
11-22-2007, 12:51 AM
^^holy off topic batman (shrug)
Not odd at all. That mag, along with 4 others are based out of Ann Arbor.
Milan is were most of the Auto mags. test there cars. I was at Milan when Auto Trend was testing the then new March 1.
Also was in there Mag when I was hit going down the track by a POS Trans Am:(
Yeah, I knew Auto. was based in Ann Arbor. I'll admit I'm a retard for not noticing their logo in the corner! :) I was thinking it could have potentially been a Mazda ad, in which case I'd have been very surprised to see a photo of Milan.
I haven't been to that track since high school in my 17 second Camaro, LOL!
dkswim
11-22-2007, 04:39 PM
i was wondering around and came across this pic it has ben reversed but you can see white guadges
GhostMercury
11-22-2007, 05:53 PM
i think they mean the guage letters and number glow white. not the face
AGM130
11-23-2007, 05:21 AM
Ordered my MS3 a couple of weeks ago, wanted the Cosmic Blue, but I got a call from the sales guy telling me about these changes. So had to change my color choice, decided to go with the Metro Gray.
:D Don't flame me because I didn't get the white, it was a hard choice between the 2 but thought the gray would be a little easier to keep clean. (and the wife liked the gray) :)
GhostMercury
11-23-2007, 11:46 AM
did they have pics of it
CHICO2003
11-23-2007, 01:29 PM
i think they mean the guage letters and number glow white. not the face
While it's impossible to decipher based on the terminology they used, if they make the #s (and not the face) while... they'll be making a HUGE mistake.
Think about the type of cars that have white backlit #s... vs those that have red. Huge difference... for a reason.
Maxx Mazda
11-23-2007, 01:53 PM
I told the dealer that I would be sold if a white MS3 came out because I have a black p5 now and am on a white trend as of late. But when they originally came out NO WHITE. So honestly, I might save to buy a white one since I am selling the P5 and working right now . . .
The link didnt work because of how awesome the censorship of these forums are, sorry about the waste of a PM man.
We've had White MS3's up here since the beginning! :p
GhostMercury
11-23-2007, 05:13 PM
lol yea well canadians are still canadians lol. that was just a joke so dont take it as anything more. but idk i think the #'s would look sweet white and would give them a higher priced look
Chris215
11-23-2007, 11:44 PM
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q307/Boost_Addict/0611_c2007_mazdaspeed_301.jpg
What color is that? Is that Metropolitan Gray Mica?
Is there more picture of that color?
GhostMercury
11-24-2007, 12:06 AM
no thats pretty much the only one
Babyface13
11-24-2007, 07:43 PM
I think what they are going to do with the gauges is like they have in the rx8.
Durring the daytime the numbers are white but at night the change to red. I think it will be an improvement to say the least.
Chris215
11-24-2007, 09:09 PM
I'm planning to buy an 08 this summer. So when I go to buy one do I request for an 08.5?
dkswim
11-24-2007, 11:20 PM
pic i posted is of an ausie car so it should be close to what we would get beacuse parts are alredy on the shelf. but that is just my 0.02
Young Roids
11-24-2007, 11:22 PM
I'm planning to buy an 08 this summer. So when I go to buy one do I request for an 08.5?
Yea, just make sure the car you buy has the new features from the 8.5. If you get one of the new colors then it will be obvious.
GhostMercury
11-25-2007, 12:56 AM
i want the new interior color and changes if all these rumors are correct
AGM130
11-25-2007, 03:44 AM
Its cool they came out with the update, but I really wanted the Cosmic Blue. I guess 6 disks full of MP3 files will have to make up for it.
My 08.5 is being made right now, got an email from my dealer. Says they should send me an email with the VIN within the next couple weeks. Being in the military its not really a Dealership, and if they don't have the car you want they have to special order it. I told the guy to see if he could get me some pics of what the changes look like. Hope he does.
In 99 I special ordered a Chevy Malibu and they actually sent me pics of while it was on the assembly line, one pic had the VIN.
Adammazda06
11-26-2007, 06:26 PM
i finally got my 2008.5 ordered the other day. i did cwp gt with no navi. i want the navi, but couldn't justify how much i would actally use it. i guess i can get a garmin if really want one down the road. now i just need to find someone to buy my 07 speed3 gt.
D.WES415
11-26-2007, 09:14 PM
i hope they are makin enough to go around. also anyone that has ordered one... are they markin these up?
bacarl
11-26-2007, 09:25 PM
nevermind (uhm)
Congrats on the order Adam!!
AGM130
11-27-2007, 04:10 AM
I just found out, if I would have went with the white, he said It would have been $173 more. Other than that I don't think there is a mark up. My dealer didn't find out my car was going to be an 08.5 until after he made the order for my 08 GT. Other than the paint, the price is the same as far as I know.
redspeed
11-27-2007, 05:06 PM
Man it piss me off that I could get a crystal white now. (sad2)
True red was my favorite of the original colors, but that CWP is just sexy.
Maxx Mazda
11-27-2007, 06:27 PM
The CWP up close is nice. But there's a molested one in town here. Stock rims painted Gold... (Eeeew... It's not a scooby)
Young Roids
11-27-2007, 06:34 PM
Gold on white is smokin. Probly the best color combo there is.
silverspeed03
11-28-2007, 09:27 AM
Yes, gold on white is HOT.
GhostMercury
12-09-2007, 03:40 AM
any updates?
Adammazda06
12-09-2007, 11:36 AM
any updates?
nope. any updates won't be out until early 08 from what the spec deck says. production is still scheduled for january 2008. being i work for a dealership, i can see when mine is produced, receives a VIN, is on water, is at port, and ships from port. so i will keep everyone updated. also, when the time comes i can check other dealerships to see what they have coming if anyone on the forums is curious.
Adammazda06
12-09-2007, 12:43 PM
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=109085
anyone got the skills to photoshop the gold OZ ultraleggera's on this white speed3?
Vengure
12-09-2007, 05:02 PM
Does anyone know if the piano black glossy interior pieces will be avalible around Feburary ? I plan on getting my MS3 then, I just havent decided on what color.
Adammazda06
12-10-2007, 12:00 AM
Does anyone know if the piano black glossy interior pieces will be avalible around Feburary ? I plan on getting my MS3 then, I just havent decided on what color.
that interior will only be available on 2008.5 ms3's that start production in january. i wouldn't expect them to be available in February.
GhostMercury
12-10-2007, 03:10 AM
well i hope it is in march. but is silver being taken out of the line of colors?
Adammazda06
12-10-2007, 11:25 AM
well i hope it is in march. but is silver being taken out of the line of colors?
yep
GhostMercury
12-10-2007, 03:45 PM
shitty....i wanted a silver with black interior...hopefully metro gray will look sweet
AdzamOZ
12-18-2007, 02:09 AM
The Gold duco is the same as used on the new Mazda 2
bmman93
12-18-2007, 07:32 AM
i was lookin through the 2008 color chip book and it said that the cosmic blue isnt going away! but it did say that the white is coming in and the silver is out! and nothing about the gray! idk if it s typo or misinformed or something! just confused me about what was going on with the car
wolverine_man
12-21-2007, 05:12 PM
Anyone give me some advice. I am new and I want a 2008 Gray Mazda3. I have been looking at the Galaxy Gray, but I would prefer something darker, closer to the old Carbon Gray.
First, will the Metro Gray be available in the United States?
Second, when?
Third, is it darker than the Galaxy Gray?
Thanks so much
crystalmeth3
12-21-2007, 05:25 PM
1. Im thinkin March/April
2. Im thinkin March/April
3. no... galaxy gray is darker i think
wolverine_man
12-21-2007, 05:35 PM
Galaxy gray is darker? Galaxy gray has always looked like a bluish slightly darker silver. That Metro Gray looks really dark. Hmmmmm.
Adammazda06
12-21-2007, 09:12 PM
Galaxy gray is darker? Galaxy gray has always looked like a bluish slightly darker silver. That Metro Gray looks really dark. Hmmmmm.
so are you wanting a mazda3 hatch or a mazdaspeed3?
wolverine_man
12-22-2007, 01:24 AM
I want the Mazda3 S GT (manual). I am new here, so I hope I'm not posting in the wrong spot. I don't think I can wait until March. I think I'll just have to go with the current Galaxy Gray. Really wish it was darker, though.
Adammazda06
12-22-2007, 11:00 AM
I want the Mazda3 S GT (manual). I am new here, so I hope I'm not posting in the wrong spot. I don't think I can wait until March. I think I'll just have to go with the current Galaxy Gray. Really wish it was darker, though.
well it probably was the wrong spot but no harm. i was just going to say the galaxy gray is the only gray for the Mazda 3. the metro gray will be a special color only available on the 40th anni. rx8 and mazdaspeed3. i personallly love the galaxy gray. no matter what mazda it is on, it looks good. it is one of the more popular colors on my car lot.
naddie
12-25-2007, 05:30 AM
I'm hoping to buy a MS3 within a couple weeks. Any ideas if I could get the 2008.5 if I request them to have one built for me from factory now?
Also, what is the invoice price for the Sport? And have anyone been able to buy for less than inv?
Young Roids
12-25-2007, 06:15 AM
I'm hoping to buy a MS3 within a couple weeks. Any ideas if I could get the 2008.5 if I request them to have one built for me from factory now?
Also, what is the invoice price for the Sport? And have anyone been able to buy for less than inv?
No go on the 8.5, those will be out probly in april.
Invoice on a sport is 21,500 after the destination charge is added. Some people don't believe me but I payed 19,939 on an 07 sport. Last 07 they had left so I guess they wanted to move it. I believe it will be much harder to get below invoice on an 08 model.
naddie
12-25-2007, 02:35 PM
Isn't production suppose to start on Jan? I was hoping to request mine to be built from the factory and wait the 3-4 months.
D.WES415
12-25-2007, 08:02 PM
yea i went to menlo mazda in redwood city, ca and they said it will be the middle of april 08. also its 250 or something more for the cwp. they also said that it takes about 2 weeks to get once it goes into production.
schoenman
12-25-2007, 10:34 PM
I ordered mine online while deployed in Iraq. Originally ordered Sunlight Silver but the dealer told me I had to choose a new color. Now I'm getting Metropolitan Gray Mica, sight unseen. I'll have to wait a few weeks after I get home for the car to arrive in mid-April.
naddie
12-25-2007, 11:57 PM
That's some conflicting info. Considering that the bulliten says jan 2008 is when production starts, I would think the dealers would know that the old colors are not available for the choosing any more.
none of the dealers I spoke with knows about or acknowledges a 8.5 coming soon.
I would like the white one, or even the gray (if the white is indeed cost extra).
Je5ter
12-26-2007, 01:16 AM
250 bucks is a small price to pay for a hot ass color...
Young Roids
12-26-2007, 02:09 AM
That's some conflicting info. Considering that the bulliten says jan 2008 is when production starts, I would think the dealers would know that the old colors are not available for the choosing any more.
none of the dealers I spoke with knows about or acknowledges a 8.5 coming soon.
I would like the white one, or even the gray (if the white is indeed cost extra).
Yea production will start in jan but they will take till about april to get here. THe dealer I talked to knew about the white but said it would not be an 8.5 it will just be an 8.
naddie
12-26-2007, 09:09 PM
After seeing a few white cars, I think I like the Gray better anyways. I have a gray car that I'm selling, and it looks good. I was thinking white to be different, but Gray seem to reflect better than white. White is so bright that you really can't see your own image. :)
Other than that, white is very JDM, and I won't be oppose to it if I can't get the Gray. I'm not too fond of Black or Red (or Silver or Mica Blue).
If I get an 8, it'd be Black though.
The lowest quote I am getting is $21,900 for the Sport. Is that good?
My dealer says they can order a Gray 8.5, but it will be March when it comes in. And also they say they don't know the price of the 8.5 yet.
If need be, I'm going to fix the MP3 deficiency with a Garmin nuvi 760 GPS - it's a nice GPS with an MP3 player built in. Also adds hands-free Bluetooth for phones. Kills *3* birds with one stone. :)
Oh, and for those are wondering, my current car is a 2000 Nissan Sentra SE that's turboed. It's a fun ride, and again, love the color. :)
http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o66/nad_masters/IMAG0034.jpg
As you can see, my brother has a VW GTI that's also Gray (lighter shade though). So that's why I was kinda torn between Gray (already had Gray cars before, lol) and White... I'm a one color man... :p
Kobyoshi
12-31-2007, 05:36 PM
It's not even close to perfect, but what do you expect out of 5 minutes of effort. :)
http://www.qeproductions.com/images/MS3goldonwhite.jpg
naddie
01-01-2008, 03:23 AM
Well, was at the dealer a couple days ago to put down a deposit. They pulled up the PDF with the revised MS3 (2008.5?), and I finally saw the color for Metro Gray - it looks black on the screen, so even if the screen color was off, the color in real life would seem to be a very VERY dark gray - almost near black.
I wish I could see this color on an actual car...
Natedog_37
01-01-2008, 11:57 AM
Went tot he dealer yesertday. They can see the 2008.5 but can't give me a price, also said they will not move off sticker so it looks like I need to find a new dealer.
CHICO2003
01-01-2008, 12:43 PM
Well, was at the dealer a couple days ago to put down a deposit. They pulled up the PDF with the revised MS3 (2008.5?), and I finally saw the color for Metro Gray - it looks black on the screen, so even if the screen color was off, the color in real life would seem to be a very VERY dark gray - almost near black.
I wish I could see this color on an actual car...
Well here's the RX-8 in Metro Grey...
One would have to assume the paint will be the same... Notice how much lighter it looks in the second picture due to the lighting. Personally, I F'in love it! Only thing though... the MS3 wheels do not fit this color at all. Only black spoked wheels with chrome rims will do.
http://www.msprotege.com/members/CHICO2003/rx8.jpg
http://www.msprotege.com/members/CHICO2003/Carscoop_MazdaRX8_40T1.JPG
jalaan1
01-01-2008, 07:49 PM
not bad.
this will be my 2nd choice if i can't get the white for some reason.
i think the wheels would look good also on the ms3.
D.WES415
01-04-2008, 01:49 PM
i saw mazdaspeed 3 in the metro grey on youtube. clean color though. i wouldnt want that color cause my lancer is grey.
Vengure
01-04-2008, 02:08 PM
Closest mazdaspeed dealer still claims they know nothing about 2008.5 interior and color offerings. It doesn't make a big deal for me honestly but I think it's funny that they aren't informed. However the salesman I've been talking to said they'll talk to the regional mazda rep as soon as he's back in town.
Natedog_37
01-04-2008, 02:14 PM
My dealer know nothing the only way he know it was true was when the went to look to place a order he seen the new colors.
CHICO2003
01-04-2008, 11:57 PM
i saw mazdaspeed 3 in the metro grey on youtube. clean color though. i wouldnt want that color cause my lancer is grey.
got a link?
D.WES415
01-05-2008, 02:01 AM
Closest mazdaspeed dealer still claims they know nothing about 2008.5 interior and color offerings. It doesn't make a big deal for me honestly but I think it's funny that they aren't informed. However the salesman I've been talking to said they'll talk to the regional mazda rep as soon as he's back in town.
tell them to check their intranet. i had my dealer look at that. they didnt know anything. also it tells them how many they are getting and about when they will get them. im still waitin to pay off some bills to get mine but i still bug my sales person to let me know if anything else changes. if i hear anything ill post
ps... wtf is this guy doin? lol(breakn)
D.WES415
01-05-2008, 02:09 AM
got a link?
took me a while but i found it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1sAgI9id78
Powerslave
01-05-2008, 11:21 AM
thats a nice gray
Natedog_37
01-05-2008, 07:26 PM
This sucks.
I love the red, but I also like the gray.
What to do what to do.(chair)
jalaan1
01-05-2008, 10:24 PM
it does look good.
don't know what to do know. was waiting for the white, but this gray
does look nice.
guess i'll just wait and see which color turns me on the most.
naddie
01-05-2008, 11:39 PM
There are True Red MS3 and Mazda3 5-doors at my place of work. I want a different color. :)
D.WES415
01-06-2008, 02:08 AM
thats a nice gray
yea its like the grey fits the car(iagree)
CHICO2003
01-06-2008, 05:57 PM
due to the quality and poor lighting, that MS3 could easily pass for CB...
assuming it is indeed MG, I can see some potential... but like the rest of you, I really need to see better pictures (or see it in person) to make a final call.
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