Vac lines

[FLAMSP]

So next month i plan on redoing all stock vac lines with silicon ones. Is there a how-to on this? Shit-ton of work involved? Just want to know how much time i should set aside and what precautions to take.

Alex

[Rush]

As far as I know, there's no how-to .. It's just a matter of identifying all the vacuum lines and digging in.

It'll prolly be tedious and time-consuming. But isn't that the way it goes with all the MSP mods? ;)

Just make sure you get everything tightened down to avoid leaks. I recommend hairspray. Yes, hairspray. Spray it on the insides of the end of the vacuum lines, wherever they're hooking up to something -- when it dries, it'll make it stick!

[tricky]

When I did my lines I didn't think it was too hard, yes a little tedious but I like the end result. Just take off one stock hose at a time, use it as a template to cut the new line and put the new line in it's place. There pics posted up around , just do a search. If not I can send you a couple.

Rush - I like you hairspray trick, good thinking

[crackerjakx]

man juice is also an acceptable alternative if you don't have hairspray... took me about 3 days to finish the whole car.



I hope no one takes this serious...

[livelyjay]

I recommend hairspray. Yes, hairspray. Spray it on the insides of the end of the vacuum lines, wherever they're hooking up to something -- when it dries, it'll make it stick!

Awesome tip/trick

[Rush]

See, it does pay to be a girl sometimes. ;)

[S.A.MSP]

only sometimes though^^ (boom01)

[FLAMSP]

Thanks so much for the info. Seems pretty straight forward i'll post pics when i'm done!

[turbolife]

If you want to be anal, little zipties on all lines help hold it on the barbs too. But hairspray works, and also works well on boost tubes/charge pipes.

[Hans507]

I know i shouldnt be asking this...but...can anyone tell me the size of the vac lines???

[MSP 2731]

I know i shouldnt be asking this...but...can anyone tell me the size of the vac lines???

3.5mm (5/32") - majority of vacuum lines on intake manifold
4mm (3/16") - wastegate actuator and emissions lines
6.35(1/4") - PCV and crankcase ventilation

[AcolyteMSP]

3.5mm (5/32") - majority of vacuum lines on intake manifold
4mm (3/16") - wastegate actuator and emissions lines
6.35(1/4") - PCV and crankcase ventilation


Do you know how much of each by chance...
Crossover Auto says
10ft 3/16
10ft 1/4
20ft 5/32

To me this seems to be WAY to much.
Realisticaly if we wanted to replace them all how much would we need?
Just curious if anyone knows the exact amt.
I think more than 60$ on silicone vacuum lines is redic.

Hairspray huh? thats it no clamps or zip ties? If it works then I'll try it.

[livelyjay]

Do you know how much of each by chance...
Crossover Auto says
10ft 3/16
10ft 1/4
20ft 5/32

To me this seems to be WAY to much.
Realisticaly if we wanted to replace them all how much would we need?
Just curious if anyone knows the exact amt.
I think more than 60$ on silicone vacuum lines is redic.

Hairspray huh? thats it no clamps or zip ties? If it works then I'll try it.

It's always better to have too much vac line that not enough. You can use those numbers and just buy the lines somewhere else though for cheaper. Shop around on the net, you should be able to find it cheaper. Personally I would use both hairspray and the smaller sized zip ties.

[MSP 2731]

Do you know how much of each by chance...
Crossover Auto says
10ft 3/16
10ft 1/4
20ft 5/32

To me this seems to be WAY to much.
Realisticaly if we wanted to replace them all how much would we need?
Just curious if anyone knows the exact amt.
I think more than 60$ on silicone vacuum lines is redic.



As Jay said, it is better to order to much the first time then not have enough to get them all done and have to order more. I spent way more than $60 because I cut a couple pieces to short and I didn't order enough the first time to account for any mistakes. I had to place a couple orders before I got the job done which cost me more than I like to admit. And I like to support forum vendors when ever possible but when I went to order from Crossover they were out of blue at that time and shipping was pretty steep so I did some searching and found a really good place which you can check out here
http://www.verociousmotorsports.com/Shop-by-Category/Silicone-Vacuum-Hose/Vacuum-Hose-Platinum-Cured-Silicone
They are the cheapest I found, the quality of the silicone is really good and they shipped quickly with very reasonable shipping charges. I got 20ft of 3.5mm and 10ft of 6mm shipped to me for $55 and some change. It looks like their prices went up a little bit but you should be able to get the 10ft of 4mm for around another $14.

[turbolife]

As Jay said, it is better to order to much the first time then not have enough to get them all done and have to order more. I spent way more than $60 because I cut a couple pieces to short and I didn't order enough the first time to account for any mistakes. I had to place a couple orders before I got the job done which cost me more than I like to admit. And I like to support forum vendors when ever possible but when I went to order from Crossover they were out of blue at that time and shipping was pretty steep so I did some searching and found a really good place which you can check out here
http://www.verociousmotorsports.com/Shop-by-Category/Silicone-Vacuum-Hose/Vacuum-Hose-Platinum-Cured-Silicone
They are the cheapest I found, the quality of the silicone is really good and they shipped quickly with very reasonable shipping charges. I got 20ft of 3.5mm and 10ft of 6mm shipped to me for $55 and some change. It looks like their prices went up a little bit but you should be able to get the 10ft of 4mm for around another $14.


Verocious are good guys, they are local to me. I have only ever seen good reviews!

When I redid my lines, my silicone hose came from boostcontroller.com. Cheap and quick shipping!

[Hans507]

20ft of 5/32 its way too much buy you always use vac lines for something else.....so its better to have it

[livelyjay]

I think boostcontroller.com is the best bet because they charge a flat fee of $8 for shipping.

[MSP 2731]

I just checked out boostcontroller.com and yup, it looks like they are even cheaper than Verocious.

[cmahlig]

so how much 5/32 do we need

[Velocifero]

Also siliconeintakes.com is fast and cheap, i run alot of thier couplers and vac line. Quality product too

[MSP 2731]

so how much 5/32 do we need

I ordered 20ft and have some left over but I didn't replace the line running along the top left corner of these 2 pics
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/th_Picture002-1.jpg (http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/Picture002-1.jpg)

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/th_Picture009.jpg (http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/Picture009.jpg)

which if I remember correctly goes to the windshield spray nozzles or something so that might account for the left over

[goku4658]

what bov is that? looks like its venting to atmosphere with an un-relocated MAF....any stalling or stumbling issues with that setup?

[4g63et]

Its a Greddy Style ebay copy...


what bov is that? looks like its venting to atmosphere with an un-relocated MAF....any stalling or stumbling issues with that setup?

[Speed3.5]

I ordered 20ft and have some left over but I didn't replace the line running along the top left corner of these 2 pics
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/th_Picture002-1.jpg (http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/Picture002-1.jpg)

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/th_Picture009.jpg (http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/Picture009.jpg)

which if I remember correctly goes to the windshield spray nozzles or something so that might account for the left over

SO 15ft of 3.5 + 10ft of 4 would do the job ??

[MSP 2731]

That is correct, it is a knock off Greddy S BOV and I'm running the dual set up with the BPV so I have no stalling or stumbling issues.

And 15 feet of the 3.5 might be enough but I found out the hard way it is better to have to much than not enough.

[Speed3.5]

^^^ So you would rather use 20ft of 3.5 and eliminate the use of 4 at all , is that the way you did it ??

[Outlawstar98]

i have a question

on the cold pipe, that bracket at the top, what is it for?

On my car when i took off the stock intake/ cold pipe it didnt have anything like that than i installed the Turbohoses cold/hot pipes and it has that bracket on it, wahts it for?


also, anyone know how good stylinmotors vacuum lines are? i like the look of their black ones, and i dont want to buy crap product.

[MSP 2731]

^^^ So you would rather use 20ft of 3.5 and eliminate the use of 4 at all , is that the way you did it ??

No, I used the 4 for my wastegate line but for the rest I used 3.5.


i have a question

on the cold pipe, that bracket at the top, what is it for?

That is for what I think is called the purge silinode valve or something like that. It is the thing in the bottom right corner in this pic
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/th_su.jpg (http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/su.jpg)

And I've never seen or heard of stylinmotors vacuum lines but I can't imagine black vacuum lines looking much different from different companies.

[Velocifero]

what you are looking for is silicone lines that won't collapse on themselves. Chances are, if you can buy it at pepboys, autozone, or advacned then you should do better. The real brite shiny silicone lines usually aren't the best, not at that diameter anyways.

[Outlawstar98]

No, I used the 4 for my wastegate line but for the rest I used 3.5.



That is for what I think is called the purge silinode valve or something like that. It is the thing in the bottom right corner in this pic
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/th_su.jpg (http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/su.jpg)

And I've never seen or heard of stylinmotors vacuum lines but I can't imagine black vacuum lines looking much different from different companies.

n/m

[nilspils]

i have a question

on the cold pipe, that bracket at the top, what is it for?

On my car when i took off the stock intake/ cold pipe it didnt have anything like that than i installed the Turbohoses cold/hot pipes and it has that bracket on it, wahts it for?


also, anyone know how good stylinmotors vacuum lines are? i like the look of their black ones, and i dont want to buy crap product.

I have had the stylinmotors.com silicone hoses on my car for over 2 years now. They are great. Wall thickness is not an issue, about a 1/4" thick. I would reccomend them to anyone.

[Lunatik]

so 20ft of 3.5mm and 10ft of 4mm should be fine?

[MS_Rick]

Are the hoses from this site made of a better quailty than samco vacuum
lines??? or it doesn't matter??



http://www.verociousmotorsports.com/Shop-by-Category/Silicone-Vacuum-Hose/Vacuum-Hose-Platinum-Cured-Silicone
They are the cheapest I found, the quality of the silicone is really good and they shipped quickly with very reasonable shipping charges. I got 20ft of 3.5mm and 10ft of 6mm shipped to me for $55 and some change. It looks like their prices went up a little bit but you should be able to get the 10ft of 4mm for around another $14.[/QUOTE]

[MSP 2731]

I bought some of the Samco lines when I first started replacing my stock lines and I think the ones I got from Verocious were stronger and thicker. Plus they cost less, Samco I think you are paying more for the name.

[MS_Rick]

Can anyone look at this web link and let me know which part number
I need to replace all my vac lines???

http://www.silhoses.com/products/parts.asp?item=VT

and yes I see the sizes listed on this thread but they are different here.

[MS_Rick]

I bought some of the Samco lines when I first started replacing my stock lines and I think the ones I got from Verocious were stronger and thicker. Plus they cost less, Samco I think you are paying more for the name.

wow really I just got off the phone with crossover and they said samco
is high quailty...

[Gasological]

Subbin for future use, intend to do this soon.

[MS_Rick]

Subbin for future use, intend to do this soon.

what does subbin mean?

[S.A.MSP]

Subscribe to the thread

[MS_Rick]

Subscribe to the thread

so is he asking me to subscribe to this thread?

[S.A.MSP]

lol, no he said he is, when you post in a thread you auto subscribe to it, of course people could just use the subscribe to thread feature under thread tools, he subscribed for later reference

[MS_Rick]

lol, no he said he is, when you post in a thread you auto subscribe to it, of course people could just use the subscribe to thread feature under thread tools, he subscribed for later reference

oooooo thanks I am new this stuff..... does anyone know the answer
to my question I need to order it ASAP....

[MSP 2731]

If I'm reading the info on the link you posted correctly these are the part numbers you need.

5/32" - VT4B
3/16" - VT5B
1/4" - VT6.

And I wasn't saying Samco isn't high quality, I was just saying Samco costs more and the lines I got from Verocious seemed stronger and the walls thicker.

And subbing is short for subscribing to the thread. If you post in a thread it will send you updates to your email when someone posts something new. Also you have a option on your user control panel to see what threads you are subscribed to so you can find them quicker.


Can anyone look at this web link and let me know which part number
I need to replace all my vac lines???

http://www.silhoses.com/products/parts.asp?item=VT

and yes I see the sizes listed on this thread but they are different here.

[MS_Rick]

Thanks a million! for your prompt response I am just trying to get the best
quailty stuff for my car...I will look at that website your talking about.




If I'm reading the info on the link you posted correctly these are the part numbers you need.

5/32" - VT4B
3/16" - VT5B
1/4" - VT6.

And I wasn't saying Samco isn't high quality, I was just saying Samco costs more and the lines I got from Verocious seemed stronger and the walls thicker.

And subbing is short for subscribing to the thread. If you post in a thread it will send you updates to your email when someone posts something new. Also you have a option on your user control panel to see what threads you are subscribed to so you can find them quicker.

[MS_Rick]

ok I just order my vac lines - Here is the info:

Order Summary:

Item Qty Description Options Rate Amount
Platinum Cured Silicone, Silver Metric Size: 6 mm, Choose Color: Silver $1.91 $19.10
Platinum Cured Silicone, Silver Metric Size: 4 mm, Choose Color: Silver $1.43 $14.30
Platinum Cured Silicone, Silver Metric Size: 3.5 mm, Choose Color: Silver $1.43 $28.60
Subtotal $62.00
Shipping $9.00
Tax 0.00
Total $71.00

[MSP 2731]

ok I just order my vac lines - Here is the info:

Order Summary:

Item Qty Description Options Rate Amount
Platinum Cured Silicone, Silver Metric Size: 6 mm, Choose Color: Silver $1.91 $19.10
Platinum Cured Silicone, Silver Metric Size: 4 mm, Choose Color: Silver $1.43 $14.30
Platinum Cured Silicone, Silver Metric Size: 3.5 mm, Choose Color: Silver $1.43 $28.60
Subtotal $62.00
Shipping $9.00
Tax 0.00
Total $71.00

You should be good to go and I'd like to see how that silver looks so make sure to post up some pics.

[MS_Rick]

will do!

[FLAMSP]

ok I just order my vac lines - Here is the info:

Order Summary:

Item Qty Description Options Rate Amount
Platinum Cured Silicone, Silver Metric Size: 6 mm, Choose Color: Silver $1.91 $19.10
Platinum Cured Silicone, Silver Metric Size: 4 mm, Choose Color: Silver $1.43 $14.30
Platinum Cured Silicone, Silver Metric Size: 3.5 mm, Choose Color: Silver $1.43 $28.60
Subtotal $62.00
Shipping $9.00
Tax 0.00
Total $71.00

Where did you buy from?

[MS_Rick]

Where did you buy from?

http://www.verociousmotorsports.com

[mgerst1]

You should be good to go and I'd like to see how that silver looks so make sure to post up some pics.

I have a blue MSP, would red silicone vac lines look good?, i am torn between blue and red.

[MSP 2731]

I have a blue MSP, would red silicone vac lines look good?, i am torn between blue and red.

Red and blue is a classic color scheme combo. The red would pop more but in the end it is personal opinion and up to you. But since you live somewhat near to me and I've already done the blue on blue combo you should go with red.

[25FConv]

subscribing for future ref.

[mgerst1]

Red and blue is a classic color scheme combo. The red would pop more but in the end it is personal opinion and up to you. But since you live somewhat near to me and I've already done the blue on blue combo you should go with red.

Allright, since you did it first. lol

[mgerst1]

to answer the question about what lines are what, while messing around under the hood I happened to look up and on the underside of the hood, framed out in the insulation stuff is a diagram labeled "vacuum line routing guide" should be useful when I do this.

[mattxhand]

I bought the 20' of 3.5mm, 10 of 4mm, and 10' of 6mm from http://www.verociousmotorsports.com/ and I couldn't be more happy with my choice. It came out to be around $56 with shipping to 23455, showed up after only 2 days, and are very high quality lines.

[mattxhand]

I'm with livelyjay. I ordered the 20'-10'-10' lengths from Verocious and I had a ton left over, but when I put a vacuum block, bov, new bpv, and whatever else I'm sure all of that extra will come in handy.

[IggyPop]

What do you use to keep the vacuum line connected to the nipple? little baby tywrap? nothing? Do they make some nice clamps?

[Tzar177]

What do you use to keep the vacuum line connected to the nipple? little baby tywrap? nothing? Do they make some nice clamps?

Clamps. Go to autozone or your local auto parts store and they should have a package of clamps with an assortment of sizes. Thats what I used

[justanothermp5]

I use hose clamps and tighten those suckers down, vac leaks will cause so many problems and are fuckin hard to find so i do this on most of my lines, if it doesnt have a hose clamp it has zip ties

[yudkib]

zip ties or clamps - i have both

[Gasological]

I saw another forum member mention using a little squirt of hair spray when putting the line on to help ensure a seal and to make it stick. That plus a tiny zip tie has worked well for me.

[JCell]

clamps work best, IIRC using zip ties can cause the vac lines to leak right where the lock is....

also, what happened with this alex (flamsp)?

[boostedmsp]

subbed for later use.

[Alamo1]

sub

[IggyPop]

Does anyone have a diagram of the vacuum lines and how they are routed? What size goes where and what not. I know there is a diagram under the hood but I want to be able to print out a hard copy.

[destineal]

I assume this requires the removal or the Intake Manifold?

[destineal]

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg242/destineal/07312010199.jpg

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

Just Replace Hose by hose with New silicone ones, or use a Vibrant Vac Block just like i have, Easy to install, easy to track what goes where, and since i have so many VAC lines, i´ve decided that Left side of the Engine will use Red Hoses and Right Side Blue, every single item that needs a vac source is getting it propertly and constantly instead of using Millions of T´s.....


http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv295/Mazdaspeed2oo35/July201041.jpg

http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv295/Mazdaspeed2oo35/July201046.jpg

http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv295/Mazdaspeed2oo35/July201010.jpg

http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv295/Mazdaspeed2oo35/July201011.jpg

http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv295/Mazdaspeed2oo35/July201045.jpg

http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv295/Mazdaspeed2oo35/July201044.jpg

http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv295/Mazdaspeed2oo35/July201043.jpg


I know my Vac System is different but alteast you will get an idea how to start and how to finish what you want to do. Hope it helps...

[destineal]

I just got lost under your hood. How do I get to all the vacuum hoses. some seem inaccessible w/o the removal of the IM

[destineal]

also ur car looks like a masterpiece

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

I just got lost under your hood. How do I get to all the vacuum hoses. some seem inaccessible w/o the removal of the IM

you dont need to remove anything.. just follow each vac hose and just replace them one by one. If you want to use Vac Block you only need to provide the Vac Block with a source and that´s it. the rest goes to each place..

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

also ur car looks like a masterpiece


Thanks man, it still far from being done, i just don´t have enough time to put hours of work to it, Work, Wife and kids basically give me no time to work on her....

[IggyPop]

Nice pics. Good work!

[destineal]

What about this line here?
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg242/destineal/08012010204-1.jpg

And what about here? there's a line with a check valve here. It could be the same line in this 1st pic but i'm not sure
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg242/destineal/08012010202-1.jpg
Zoomed in
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg242/destineal/08012010201.jpg

[JCell]

its not, thats the line that gives vac to VTCS and VICS

[destineal]

I assume those lines can't be replaced without removal of the manifold?