The MS6 Build-a-Beast is coming very soon...(Pics)

[chriscecc914]

PAGE 1: MS6 goes to the shop, pics of damaged motor, new motor,
PAGE 4: New motor back in the car
PAGE 6: Pics of the car before motor break-in
PAGE 10: Money spent so far on the beast! (And it will only go up)
PAGE 12: The beast is home!!! Pics and vids!
PAGE 16: Cool exhaust vid

Short Summary for most who haven't been following my MS6 Build:

1. GT3076R Install+ No tune+ Overboost+ Detonation= Blown Motor
2. Protege Garage Produces the first MS6 Forged Shortblock
3. I buy it!
4. MrLilguy produces the first MS6 cam driven fuel pump upgrade.
5. I buy it!
6. My car goes to ICS performance in Stamford for Install work!
7. ICS tells me my valves were damaged when the motor blew.
8. I pay for a custom rebuilt head!

Mods to date:

Arias Pistons
Pauter Rods
GT3076R Turbo
Custom Head work
ATP FCD
ATP Downpipe
ATP Shortram intake
Forge Motorsport boost controller
CP-E EMS
CP-E FMIC
Spec 2+ Clutch
AWR Motor Mount
Garrett Boost Guage
Eibach Pro-kit Springs
NGK 1 Step Colder Plugs

**Most are still in the process of being installed

Pics

The Dyno at ICS
http://i22.tinypic.com/20iz3up.jpg

http://i22.tinypic.com/ixtt3s.jpg


My MS6 up on the lift at ICS

http://i20.tinypic.com/vo0mcn.jpg

http://i20.tinypic.com/j5e69s.jpg

No motor no tranny, no hood, no wheels. Naked MS6!

http://i20.tinypic.com/2j0xfdy.jpg

http://i22.tinypic.com/wmo4zn.jpg

My Engine bay...Empty

http://i24.tinypic.com/2vty7pl.jpg

My stock motor damage pics

http://i23.tinypic.com/2h2nyis.jpg

My piston cracked in half and lodged itself sideways in the cylinder walls. My rods were a pile of scrap metal in the oil pan.

http://i24.tinypic.com/9prl6p.jpg

My New ProtegeGarage Built Shortblock on the Engine Stand! Switching the odds and ends over from the old block.

http://i23.tinypic.com/az8byx.jpg

My custom rebuilt head fresh from the machine shop!

http://i20.tinypic.com/j6s781.jpg

My GT30R Just chillin before it gets hot again! hahaha!

http://i22.tinypic.com/sy5vn7.jpg

My Girlfriend sitting in her car at ICS watching me cheat on her with my MS6. Priceless!

http://i20.tinypic.com/qslf7m.jpg


Hope you all enjoy. More pics and sound/ video clips can be found in this thread in the near future!

Chris

[kudakev615]

damn youve got some money tied up in this thing. props on the come back. most ppl would have thrown in the towel after blowing up the stock engine. props on the build up

[Mr. 4500 RPM]

Hey Chris, I am close by and would love ot see your car. Would you recomedn ICS to anyone? How is there work? I am needing a mechanic/company to do some things with, nothing major I just dont have the tools to do it. So yeah. Let me know.

[chriscecc914]

Hey Chris, I am close by and would love ot see your car. Would you recomedn ICS to anyone? How is there work? I am needing a mechanic/company to do some things with, nothing major I just dont have the tools to do it. So yeah. Let me know.

I'll recommend them as soon as my car is finished. I don't want to give props until its deserved. If you want to see my car, take a ride to ICS. Its right off of i95. Otherwise you can wait until its finished and then come see it.

The couple things that I can say about ICS is, they will take your car in the day you tell them you need work done. They get things done when they say they will unless they run into problems or needed parts. They can be pricey being that they work on mostly high end cars like porsche, audi, bmw.


damn youve got some money tied up in this thing. props on the come back. most ppl would have thrown in the towel after blowing up the stock engine. props on the build up

I wanted to give up after the motor blew, believe me! But then after having plenty of time to re think it, I decided I will never have a really fast car if I kept giving up, so I changed my mind and went all out!

[Mr. 4500 RPM]

Yeah I dont need anything extreme done and that is understandable. I just basically need help with emissions and a header. Basically need to get on a lift and a O2 tool and put a non fouler fix on it and replace bushings on a motor mount so my car stops vibrating like a vibrator.


I'll recommend them as soon as my car is finished. I don't want to give props until its deserved. If you want to see my car, take a ride to ICS. Its right off of i95. Otherwise you can wait until its finished and then come see it.

The couple things that I can say about ICS is, they will take your car in the day you tell them you need work done. They get things done when they say they will unless they run into problems or needed parts. They can be pricey being that they work on mostly high end cars like porsche, audi, bmw.

[Captain KRM P5]

how did ICS like our engine when they saw it?

[chriscecc914]

how did ICS like our engine when they saw it?

they said the setup is awsome and will let me run alot of power. They also said it looked great and it was nice you put it in a nicely packaged box for me instead of out on a crate. Thanks again Ken!

[BoostedSpd6]

looking forward to seeing the numbers u put up man... itll give all of us something to shoot for..

[Tripp Mcnealy]

what size is your atp downpipe?

[chriscecc914]

what size is your atp downpipe?

3"

[forrestang]

Nice, this dude is serious!!!

[late8]

Wow....I'm glad you're making the come back. Thanks for the pic's.

[Killer]

Exciting stuff...

[wwpms6]

are you going to be using the stock catback?

[Tripp Mcnealy]

3"

going to go 3" rest of the way right?

[chriscecc914]

are you going to be using the stock catback?

no im trying to decide if i want cp-e single or corksport. ive been researching them both and i dont like how both have drone at highway speeds. might do the cpe with bothe resonators

[wwpms6]

why not the cpe dual?

[chriscecc914]

why not the cpe dual?

i dunno. I really am interested in the single. I think the dual may be to expensive when it comes out. Anyways, I need to order one soon. Im looking for a used exhaust but if I cant find it used i may go with the cpe

[forrestang]

i dunno. I really am interested in the single. I think the dual may be to expensive when it comes out. Anyways, I need to order one soon. Im looking for a used exhaust but if I cant find it used i may go with the cpe

I was going to order one a while back. I was never interested in their single, cause it was just too loud.

BUt their dual setup they're offereng, it sounds mean! Instead of just sounded like a loud ass 4-cylinder, it actually has a bit of low rumble growl to it.

[chriscecc914]

who knows when it will be released. Then give it a day after and it will be backordered until 2009. I need to have an exhaust in like a week.

[NCZ13]

subbin for a good read =) props on the build

[firedawgs]

Wow, what a mean build. Can't wait to see it. Props.

[MS6mike]

good luck man! i will be doing the same as you to my engine hoping for more detais!

[Doubleawill]

Wow! That whole build up is f'kin awesome! I just got my license back and can't wait to start modding this thing. I need rims, exhaust, suspension pieces and the whole nine yards! (blah) I also need to pay this thing off and write off that warranty!(smash) And it would probably help if I had another ride!(hand)

[BLACKMS3]

I say stick with the stock exhaust for the sleeper look and run a electric dump right off the dp!

[Dr. D]

not a bad idea unless you want that low rumble but i know its expensive but check out the GHL dual. from what i hear there is no drone. i have one on order and it should be here middle of this week.

[jcgemt2003]

3" all the way back dude with no cats.

[BoostedSpd6]

3" all the way back dude with no cats.


haha hell yeah!!!! i ran that for a while till i got a ticket for $450 for violating the noise ordinance in my town..haha i now have a high flow cat.. it sounds the same too me as it did before but atleast im legal.

[chriscecc914]

well i dont have to worry about getting tickets, Its just the fact that i dont want to have to deal with an annoyingly loud car as my daily driver. I already had that with my mustang. I was thinking about GHL but its expensive.

**Update**
My motor is completely back together on the engine stand. I have some camera phone pics but they suck. Now all im waiting for is the fuel pump back. The standback gets installed the beginning of this week. Im still waiting on my FMIC to get here and ill be placing the order for an exhaust tommorow.

[Dr. D]

not to get off subject but what FMIC did you go with?

[redrocketz]

I can'twait to see what my engine will do for you. make sure to break her in nicely. I'd hate to have you blow that beautiful engine. (since you know how long turn around is due to suppliers)

[chriscecc914]

not to get off subject but what FMIC did you go with?

CP-E...Its been ordered. Im still waiting for it.



I can'twait to see what my engine will do for you. make sure to break her in nicely. I'd hate to have you blow that beautiful engine. (since you know how long turn around is due to suppliers)

ughh please dont even jinx me.lol If I blow this motor, Im buying a cheap Honda and never touching cars again. Its at a very reputable shop right now and I have faith that they know how to break in a new motor. The guy that will be tuning it is the owner of Dynoflash. He tunes mostly evo's and Sti's and he has a 9second evo and 11 second sti of his own.

[vindication]

very nice. cant wait to see more

[Tripp Mcnealy]

so what size is the stock exhaust?

[chriscecc914]

so what size is the stock exhaust?

I think its 2 and a half inch until it gets to the dual split and then its like 2 inches with two big restricted mufflers

[6speed6]

I think its 2 and a half inch until it gets to the dual split and then its like 2 inches with two big restricted mufflers

that you're right...sounds like an awesome build man, can't wait for all the updates! (beer)

[protegeV]

this looks promising.

[D_Roc7822]

it does... definitely subscribing to this and keeping a look out. I saw a Speed6 the other day and had to stop in the middle of the intersection just to admire it. I love mazdas.

[Mr. 4500 RPM]

I think its 2 and a half inch until it gets to the dual split and then its like 2 inches with two big restricted mufflers

I saw your car today, George spoke good things of you Chris and I recomend this shop to anyone. Too bad its soo expensive to mod my E36. They have really nice looking cars there and he told me they had a WRX from maryland just for a tune, thats insane in my mind and shows the good quality of work they do. So you are in good hands.

[chriscecc914]

I saw your car today, George spoke good things of you Chris and I recomend this shop to anyone. Too bad its soo expensive to mod my E36. They have really nice looking cars there and he told me they had a WRX from maryland just for a tune, thats insane in my mind and shows the good quality of work they do. So you are in good hands.

where were you? I was there all day today. I just got home an hour ago. My motor is all put together, spec clutch is in. Motor goes in the car tommorow. Im waiting on spark plugs and my fuel pump and then im going to start the motor break in. Then its back to the shop for a tune with the cp=e ems

[rodney]

damn what do you do for a living, are you hiring, i wish i had the money you have to throw into my car lol good luck with the car and cant wait to see the turn out

[Mr. 4500 RPM]

where were you? I was there all day today. I just got home an hour ago. My motor is all put together, spec clutch is in. Motor goes in the car tommorow. Im waiting on spark plugs and my fuel pump and then im going to start the motor break in. Then its back to the shop for a tune with the cp=e ems

I was there in the morning from like a quarter to 11 i think or maybe 10:30ish and was out of there by 12 something. I was in the black P5 gettinng minor work done. I was not on the bay at all. But George only had good things to say of you.

[Mr. 4500 RPM]

damn what do you do for a living, are you hiring, i wish i had the money you have to throw into my car lol good luck with the car and cant wait to see the turn out

yeah I know what you mean. You should have seen the cars around the lot I was at. I was talking to I am assuming one of the owners and he was telling that basically 15k for a complete turbo set up for a E36 with install that will safely make like 400 something to the wheels. It will be quick as well but damn its a lot of money!

[chriscecc914]

damn what do you do for a living, are you hiring, i wish i had the money you have to throw into my car lol good luck with the car and cant wait to see the turn out

Im a police officer and im in the Marine reserves. I'm not rich, ive just made alot of cash parting out my race mustang, i make a pretty decent salary with overtime and im very good at using/paying off credit.

[chriscecc914]

I was there in the morning from like a quarter to 11 i think or maybe 10:30ish and was out of there by 12 something. I was in the black P5 gettinng minor work done. I was not on the bay at all. But George only had good things to say of you.

oh i got there at about 12noon

[rodney]

Im a police officer and im in the Marine reserves. I'm not rich, ive just made alot of cash parting out my race mustang, i make a pretty decent salary with overtime and im very good at using/paying off credit.

more power to you,anyways i can't wait until you get it tunned and get some dyno numbers

[Mr. 4500 RPM]

oh i got there at about 12noon

Ah damn, yeah bearly missed you haha. Yeah that place is nuts, wish I had the money to do anything worthwile. If I was not saving money to get an aprtment/life in general I would def buy another E36 and turbo that bitch.

Mines staying OEM mainly, unfortunatly, but itl help with value in the future when its a collectable.

[6speed6]

chris, what were you boosting at when you blew your motor?

[chriscecc914]

chris, what were you boosting at when you blew your motor?

Was running the 18psi wastegate that ATP sends with their turbo kit. Im sure with spikes my car saw 18-20psi and didnt like it to much. Other forum members have run this turbo kit with the same wastegate no tune and had no problems. I just replaced my 18psi wastegate with a 12psi wastegate so it will be safe and i can use an mbc to turn up the boost.

BTW, my engine builder/tuner told me that im better off using an mbc to regulate boost then using the cp-e to control it with the stock boost controller. He feel safe with the cp-e ems, he just doesnt feels its safe with the stock boost controller regulating it.

[rodney]

yea if i were you i would def. use a mbc and not rely on cpe, im not saying cpe is bad, im jus saying dont trust the stock controller

[BoostedSpd6]

well good luck on everything tomorrow chris ill be checking in later tomorrow night to see how it all went.

[MS6mike]

Was running the 18psi wastegate that ATP sends with their turbo kit. Im sure with spikes my car saw 18-20psi and didnt like it to much. Other forum members have run this turbo kit with the same wastegate no tune and had no problems. I just replaced my 18psi wastegate with a 12psi wastegate so it will be safe and i can use an mbc to turn up the boost.

BTW, my engine builder/tuner told me that im better off using an mbc to regulate boost then using the cp-e to control it with the stock boost controller. He feel safe with the cp-e ems, he just doesnt feels its safe with the stock boost controller regulating it.

I want to do this too! can you please tell me what you did to change the wastegate!

[forrestang]

I want to do this too! can you please tell me what you did to change the wastegate!

If you want the EMS to regulate your boost, do this.

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=118954&stc=1&d=1193762005

I think a 0.051" NOS nozzle works pretty good to use in that location I have marked as 'Restrictor' to mimmick factory BC setup. I tried .041 and .047, didn't work too well.

No restrictor, or too big a nozzle will result in crappy boost buildup.

What's up with the pics of the FMIC on your car. I still need to see the turbo outlet area and ATP inlet pipe etc.

[6speed6]

Was running the 18psi wastegate that ATP sends with their turbo kit. Im sure with spikes my car saw 18-20psi and didnt like it to much. Other forum members have run this turbo kit with the same wastegate no tune and had no problems. I just replaced my 18psi wastegate with a 12psi wastegate so it will be safe and i can use an mbc to turn up the boost.

BTW, my engine builder/tuner told me that im better off using an mbc to regulate boost then using the cp-e to control it with the stock boost controller. He feel safe with the cp-e ems, he just doesnt feels its safe with the stock boost controller regulating it.

so if i were to slap on that gt3076r turbo it could blow my motor? thats not cool.

[wannabe]

very cool thread. subbin.

[MS6mike]

If you want the EMS to regulate your boost, do this.

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=118954&stc=1&d=1193762005

I think a 0.051" NOS nozzle works pretty good to use in that location I have marked as 'Restrictor' to mimmick factory BC setup. I tried .041 and .047, didn't work too well.

No restrictor, or too big a nozzle will result in crappy boost buildup.

What's up with the pics of the FMIC on your car. I still need to see the turbo outlet area and ATP inlet pipe etc.

O my god bro you are the man!

thanx a lot I been having so mucth problems with that!

by nos nozzle you mean this?
https://www.byunspeed.com/images/NTX90016.jpg

[chriscecc914]

lets keep on track here guys. I have no clue how a nos nozzle has anything to do with my build up lol. I dont want this to turn into 30pages of garbage. Ill be updating with more pics and then driving impression/dyno sheets/ and hopefully track times at the beginning of next years race season.

[chriscecc914]

The new motor is in!

http://i2.tinypic.com/53pj5l3.jpg

http://i8.tinypic.com/54ar349.jpg

http://i10.tinypic.com/62zavis.jpg

http://i7.tinypic.com/454il1i.jpg

Still waiting on the fuel pump upgrade :-(

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

that is so awesome! congrats your so close ;).


I say stick with the stock exhaust for the sleeper look and run a electric dump right off the dp! no im trying to decide if i want cp-e single or corksport.

i really like the idea of the dump/sleeper. but i really want to see a worked car with the corksport TBE(with PG test pipe of course) i wish you would have chose that one!! lol, but oh well cp-e is nice exhaust too.

[chriscecc914]

dump is cool but its way to loud for the street and that will be the majority of my driving. I only go to the track 3-4 times a year

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

true, i just like to drive around normal though...and then when the opportunity arises open my exhaust off the dp with the push of a button, and rocket away ;).. haha ha. idk

[forrestang]

lets keep on track here guys. I have no clue how a nos nozzle has anything to do with my build up lol. I dont want this to turn into 30pages of garbage. Ill be updating with more pics and then driving impression/dyno sheets/ and hopefully track times at the beginning of next years race season.

Not trying to muddy up your thread, but you mentioned your mechanic would rather you run an MBC instead of using CPE's.

To control boost via CPE EMS, you need to mimick factory setup on your factory BC, like the diagram I posted. One part of that setup includes installing a restrictor in the vacuum line, for this I used a NOS jet. You can use whatever you want as a restrictor.

I used a NOS nozzle because it's easy to size up up and is readily availbable.





O my god bro you are the man!

thanx a lot I been having so mucth problems with that!

by nos nozzle you mean this?
I didn't use that, but you can use whatever works. That actually might work as you can put the different jets in there and will hold nicely. I just put the little jet in, but it's not held as well.

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

very nice info forest, i've been wondering how i would go about that after a big turbo

[6speed6]

why not just use an electronic boost controller?

[redrocketz]

so is the car ready or what?
I want to know when she fires up.

[anm6]

good luck on the build up interested to she whats she does when she is done.

[ms3guy22]

are you worried about the rear axle thing, ( i don't know what it's called)

[chriscecc914]

so is the car ready or what?
I want to know when she fires up.

Car is finished. Waiting on the fuel pump which i was supposed to get last Tuesday.

Am I worried about the axles? Yes. Thats why i wont be launching until I get upgrades.

[6speed6]

awesome, thats sweet...got any pics for us?? or videos, sound clips, etc.

[chriscecc914]

awesome, thats sweet...got any pics for us?? or videos, sound clips, etc.

The last set of pics were of the motor back in the engine bay. The car hasnt started yet because i dont have a fuel pump (its getting upgraded) and no video's because it hasnt moved out of the shop.lol ill get lots more hopefully this week!

[6speed6]

Sounds great man...real excited for you bro...I want to get my speed to the 400whp mark so I'm gonna have to build my motor, won't I?

[chriscecc914]

Sounds great man...real excited for you bro...I want to get my speed to the 400whp mark so I'm gonna have to build my motor, won't I?

if your very careful with tuning, you should be able to have 400whp for some time. But it will take years off the life of your shortblock and i wouldnt do it without meth/ race gas.

[PerformanceRacing]

Very nice work man, I will be following this thread.

I too thought about using my MBC to control boost instead of using the EMS. I am still waiting a reply from CP-E regarding tuning on my 71R..

As for axles, they break because the rear dif moves too much. Try strapping the dif and you can dump the clutch as high as 5k rpms with no issues. Of course, doesn't mean you should ever dump the clutch in an awd car lol.

[chriscecc914]

Very nice work man, I will be following this thread.

I too thought about using my MBC to control boost instead of using the EMS. I am still waiting a reply from CP-E regarding tuning on my 71R..

As for axles, they break because the rear dif moves too much. Try strapping the dif and you can dump the clutch as high as 5k rpms with no issues. Of course, doesn't mean you should ever dump the clutch in an awd car lol.

would a rear diff mount help the situation?

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

hahahahahaha yes, i've only been waiting for 40,000 miles!!!! cp-e is supposedly engineering one..all CAD like. with more mounting bolts i think. the stock one only has 4 bolts, and forrest is right the diff moves A TON. you can move it by hand slightly even brand new actually. SU has a piece of shit one for sale, that is tougher material..but thats not the problem.
the problem is the mount moves and destroys your axles or the diff mounts bolts shear/break off and the diff is left hanging there to crack its casing. :( i did that...both lol the axle and the casing, 13k miles apart from each other.

[mdogg]

cp-e is supposedly engineering one..all CAD like. with more mounting bolts i think. the stock one only has 4 bolts

SU has a piece of shit one for sale, that is tougher material..but thats not the problem.
no.... CPE is designing one that utilizes the exact same 4 mounting bolt holes. It is MUCH beefier than the OEM version. SU sells the OEM one as they have not made an upgraded one. PG is also in the process of designing one, but their design looks like the OEM one with upgraded bushings (but I could be wrong on that one).

[chriscecc914]

**UPDATE**

Everything is complete as far as the motor goes. I still haven't recieved the fuel pump from mrlilguy. After that its motor break-in and tuning. Here are some pics of the car off of the lift.

http://i21.tinypic.com/11bhshe.jpg

http://i21.tinypic.com/33ykr5d.jpg

http://i20.tinypic.com/2625oo4.jpg

http://i22.tinypic.com/2uiw1fr.jpg

http://i20.tinypic.com/ae9je9.jpg

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

no.... CPE is designing one that utilizes the exact same 4 mounting bolt holes. It is MUCH beefier than the OEM version. SU sells the OEM one as they have not made an upgraded one. PG is also in the process of designing one, but their design looks like the OEM one with upgraded bushings (but I could be wrong on that one).

then those bolts better be tougher than shit, cuz the OEM mount itself wont break if the bolts can hold the mount secure. the bolts are the weak link. the bushings could also help though!

sorry to hear about your fuel pump being the hold up, i knew the first orders for CDFP would go sour. hopefully any ordered now should be out sooner.

[chriscecc914]

fuel pump should be here tommorow!!!!!

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

congrats! i'm so jealous right now...hmm NY huh. k get a couch ready, i'm coming over!

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

its funny....even though your car isn't running..(hitit)

[PerformanceRacing]

Ahhh, I don't know how you will sleep tonight man. This is very exciting and seems promising. You should do high 11's at 17lbs, as long as that pump solves the issues people claim it does...

[chriscecc914]

Ahhh, I don't know how you will sleep tonight man. This is very exciting and seems promising. You should do high 11's at 17lbs, as long as that pump solves the issues people claim it does...

yea well, Its great to be able to drive my car again but the night i wont be able to sleep is the night before it gets tuned. Im planning on running around 25psi if like you said, the fuel pump solves the issues! Garrett says this turbo maxxed out at 26psi but ive seen many on the evo, sti, and srt4 forums that run 30psi on this turbo and it is still efficient. Just like people running 18psi on a k04 thats maxxed out at around 16psi

[MS6mike]

cant wait for results to see if i do this.

hey btw using still the stock intecooler? want to buy my cpeFMIC for 600?

[forrestang]

cant wait for results to see if i do this.

hey btw using still the stock intecooler? want to buy my cpeFMIC for 600?

MO&*TH*(......I would have definetely gotten that FMIC from you if I would have known you were selling it!!!!!

That's a pretty good price to boot.

[forrestang]

would a rear diff mount help the situation?

Seriously, people can come up with better mounts, and that will surely help out a bit.

BUt strapping the rear diff makes a huuuuuuugggggge difference, without a doubt.

You can feel the difference, and you will notice the rear diff won't move. Before strapping, you can literally move that thing with your hand easily.

Now imagine doing a burnout, torquiing the rear dif, creating a bending moment at the rear CV joint so it's no longer normal to the diff case, and it's now binding while twisting......you can imagine why the break.

If you keep the diff centered, it shoudl stay true and less likely to break anything.

If people come out with good mounts, I will use them, but the straps will always be there.

[chriscecc914]

cant wait for results to see if i do this.

hey btw using still the stock intecooler? want to buy my cpeFMIC for 600?


ill let you know by tommorow if ill take it or not. Thanks

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

Seriously, people can come up with better mounts, and that will surely help out a bit.

BUt strapping the rear diff makes a huuuuuuugggggge difference, without a doubt.

You can feel the difference, and you will notice the rear diff won't move. Before strapping, you can literally move that thing with your hand easily.

Now imagine doing a burnout, torquiing the rear dif, creating a bending moment at the rear CV joint so it's no longer normal to the diff case, and it's now binding while twisting......you can imagine why the break.

If you keep the diff centered, it shoudl stay true and less likely to break anything.

If people come out with good mounts, I will use them, but the straps will always be there.

hey! can i get you to PM me pics, or post some on a rear diff thread. i want to see how you strapped it down. cuz i would LOVE to do this for my car (breakn)

[PerformanceRacing]

I really want to build my block just pistons/rods so I wouldn't have to worry about blowin' my motor. I can get it wholesale, but I can't afford to not have my car away for more than a day lol.

[ATE BALLER]

Damn fast turn-around! Have you gotten to drive it yet? I'm curious to how well the PG block drives with no tuning. Is it actually driveable?

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

I really want to build my block just pistons/rods so I wouldn't have to worry about blowin' my motor. I can get it wholesale, but I can't afford to not have my car away for more than a day lol.
you noob...hahahaha thats so funny. and..understandable(crazy)

come on!!gosh updatesss! how does is the car treating you? how does it feel to have your baby back LOL

[chriscecc914]

unfortunately the pump came in at 3:00pm and the shop was very busy. Should be done tommorow. Thanks

Chris

[chriscecc914]

Damn fast turn-around! Have you gotten to drive it yet? I'm curious to how well the PG block drives with no tuning. Is it actually driveable?

yea PG was very fast on the turn around and it is awsome quality. Should drive fine with no tuning. Im just not aloud to hit boost at all and i cant go over 3000rpm till its tuned

[Captain KRM P5]

we had another customer call us today with the built block installed and running. he has a few hundred miles on it and says it drives great and pulls good, stock ECU tune to my knowledge.

[chriscecc914]

we had another customer call us today with the built block installed and running. he has a few hundred miles on it and says it drives great and pulls good, stock ECU tune to my knowledge.

sweet!! looks like i have some close competition. Bet he doesnt have the fuel pump tho! lol SHould be up and running tommorow. Dont worry as soon as I get home ill post an update!

[6speed6]

awesome man, can't wait!!

[chriscecc914]

the car started perfectly and then it shut off and wouldnt start. Theres no compression in 2 out of 4 cylinders so everything is getting check out.

[PerformanceRacing]

Doesn't sound good... but can be a simple fix. We had a looot of issues when we built my friend's K20 block.

[6speed6]

oh wow man, i hope all goes well...keep us posted (of course)

[Powerslave]

the car started perfectly and then it shut off and wouldnt start. Theres no compression in 2 out of 4 cylinders so everything is getting check out.

dude just want to say your ride and your buid up is legendary! its reeally exiting to see how this thing works out(direct) your the sherriff in these parts....

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

started..and now no compression..cam timing? i don't know..well atleast it started once! good luck.

[chriscecc914]

after it wouldnt start i left. They said they were going to pull the valve cover and check the cam timing and anything else it could be. Ill check back tommorow.

[Captain KRM P5]

cam timing will easily throw off compression. which cylinders were registering low or no compression? what were the numbers on the other two cylinders? exact numbers on all four?

[ccann26]

hope its good news tomorrow ! can't wait to hear what kinda numbers you get with that pump and all tough mods .

[chriscecc914]

cam timing will easily throw off compression. which cylinders were registering low or no compression? what were the numbers on the other two cylinders? exact numbers on all four?

If your looking at the motor from the front of the car, it is the two right side cylinders. To adjust cam timing does the motor have to come out fully again? not exactly sure of the #'s but the left two cylinders where fine, the right two didnt even move the guage.

[Captain KRM P5]

pm'ed you some ideas to run by the shop chris, have them call me if they need to

[chriscecc914]

thanks Ken. Does a leak down test require pulling the entire motor again?

[ssinstaller]

thanks Ken. Does a leak down test require pulling the entire motor again?


No, they should just have to pull the sparkplugs..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leak-down_tester

[PerformanceRacing]

I'm sure they already did the leak down.. at least any shop should after doing this type of motor work lol.

[Captain KRM P5]

may want to check the head and head gasket as well seeing as where the numbers you told me are coming from. head could be warped from the last engine, did they examine this?

[chriscecc914]

yea it went to a machine shop who inspected the head and only found the valves to be damaged

[chriscecc914]

it looks like something on the cams was tightened to much so the cams are coming out and going back to the machine shop. Only the valve cover has to come off so im glad everything doesnt have to come apart. Nothing catostophic so far!!

[Captain KRM P5]

so the cams were overtightened or torqued down wrong?

[fourthmeal]

the car started perfectly and then it shut off and wouldnt start. Theres no compression in 2 out of 4 cylinders so everything is getting check out.

These engines have been known to jump chain and throw timing. It is a well documented issue, typically from low oil.

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

These engines have been known to jump chain and throw timing. It is a well documented issue, typically from low oil.

your kidding? i haven't heard (eekdance)

[fourthmeal]

Absolutely.


From our archives...
Drivability is not the best. Vehicle runs good most of the time, but has some hesitation. Keeps setting a code P0340. Customer states that this all started after the oil was changed and an oil leak developed and it was run very low for a few miles.


Tests/Procedures:
1. Check the camshaft timing to determine if the timing chain may have jumped. With the valve cover off, place a flat bar across the back of the head and into the slots on the camshafts. With the bar in place, verify that the crankshaft position sensor is aligned with the tooth on the front pulley and that the line up bolt can be installed through the front pulley and into the timing cover. If things don’t line up, the timing chain has jumped.


Potential Causes:
Jumped timing chain

** Confirmed Fix **
The timing chain had jumped


Tech Tips:
In this case the flat bar couldn’t even line up with the slots in the camshafts.




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This was one case out of MANY.

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

i would never have guessed, well i don't loose any more than 1qt every 4k miles

[chriscecc914]

so the cams were overtightened or torqued down wrong?

yea a rocker or shim or something...i dunno much about the head/cam components. May be timing but i dont think so. the machine shop went off the mazda specs as far as the installation so i dont know how they messed up.

[BLACKMS3]

Alot of times the shims will seat on a new motor, or the cams will settle in their journals and throw off the shims...

You obviously had a valve open at TDC...

This happens all the time on bikes when the shims are thrown out of spec...

[forrestang]

Alot of times the shims will seat on a new motor, or the cams will settle in their journals and throw off the shims...

You obviously had a valve open at TDC...

This happens all the time on bikes when the shims are thrown out of spec...

I shimmed the valves on my old bike once....bucket/over shims.....I vowed to never do that again(coffee)

[BLACKMS3]

I shimmed the valves on my old bike once....bucket/over shims.....I vowed to never do that again(coffee)

I hear ya!! It can be a painstaking process for sure!!

I'm done it at least 30 or so times on my ATV...

[BoostedSpd6]

very excited for u chris.. hope shes running good sometime this week..

[PerformanceRacing]

Any updates?

[chriscecc914]

waiting on new cams. My exhaust cam was damaged when my motor blew. Should have them soon.

[Captain KRM P5]

is the head reusable? i am worried if a cam broke that the journals are damaged.

[ATE BALLER]

and how about the valves, stems, ect...?

[chriscecc914]

valves and all that are brand new. the head should be reusable the cam had a crack in it

[ATE BALLER]

[cough] fuel pump [cough]

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

[cough] fuel pump [cough]

??

[flipstylex]

hhmm.. ur from ny huh .... is that shop located ny too ??? if so, whats the address, i might check it out ;)

[chriscecc914]

[cough] fuel pump [cough]

yea, whats that mean?


hhmm.. ur from ny huh .... is that shop located ny too ??? if so, whats the address, i might check it out ;)

Its on the New York border but its in Connecticut. look up icsperformance.com

[mrlilguy157]

[cough] fuel pump [cough]

fuel pump runs off of the intake cam.

k bye.

[chriscecc914]

well it was my exhaust cam thats cracked

[mrlilguy157]

well it was my exhaust cam thats cracked

exactly.

[ATE BALLER]

My mistake. k

[BoostedSpd6]

chris can u give me that number to ics or there site or something... pm me if its easier for u.. i was thinking of driving down there and getting a tune since they seem to know what they're doing..not any time soon but i wanna get some prices to see what im looking at..

[PerformanceRacing]

Any updates??

[chriscecc914]

still waiting on the cams. I cant tell you how anxious i am to get this thing running!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Captain KRM P5]

fedex will be delivering them tomorrow

[chriscecc914]

Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!(attn)(attn)(attn)(attn)(attn)

[mrlilguy157]

im scared to find out how much you've invested.... :)

stoked for results.

[Powerslave]

hes going to have a 500hp 4wheel drive beast!!!!!!(omg)(rockon)(yippy)

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

wow....i can't beleive how long its been, how you do it i'll never know.

[PerformanceRacing]

Lalala... am I more anxious to see how the car is doing than anyone here? lol

[AtenzaNY62]

how much did it cost you for everything?? i wonder if they do good air fuel tuning for a good price

[chriscecc914]

Here are some price estimates of what i've spent so far:

PG Shortblock $4995.00
Cams $350
CP-E EMS $599.00
CP-E FMIC $1100.00
CD Fuel Pump $400.00
Boost Guage $80.00
Used Eibach Springs $100.00
Rear motor mount $66.00
Turbo Upgrade $2400.00
Catback Exhaust $888.00
Fluids/Labor/Tuning $4500+
For a Grand total of!= $15,478

Any companies want to sponsor me at some point? lol

And I still need some odds and ends like a wideband, axles, rear diff mount, etc, tires, brakes, then Ill probably need a roll cage for the track.
__________________________________________________ _______

Cams went to the shop today. Car should be ready for break-in by friday. Everyone please pray that nothing else is broken!

The guy who tunes at ICS is Al Friedman, he is the owner of Dynoflash for Evo's and Sti's. Im split betwenn getting it tuned at ICS or having Sean Ivey do it.

[Powerslave]

the suspense is building I can't wait to see what kind of 4wheeelhp you'll be putting down

[mrlilguy157]

Here are some price estimates of what i've spent so far:

PG Shortblock $4995.00
Cams $350
CP-E EMS $599.00
CP-E FMIC $1100.00
CD Fuel Pump $400.00
Boost Guage $80.00
Used Eibach Springs $100.00
Rear motor mount $66.00
Turbo Upgrade $2400.00
Catback Exhaust $888.00
Fluids/Labor/Tuning $4500+
For a Grand total of!= $15,478

Any companies want to sponsor me at some point? lol

And I still need some odds and ends like a wideband, axles, rear diff mount, etc, tires, brakes, then Ill probably need a roll cage for the track.
__________________________________________________ _______

Cams went to the shop today. Car should be ready for break-in by friday. Everyone please pray that nothing else is broken!

The guy who tunes at ICS is Al Friedman, he is the owner of Dynoflash for Evo's and Sti's. Im split betwenn getting it tuned at ICS or having Sean Ivey do it.


jeeze chris... thats all i have to say?

how much is the shop charging you for per labor hour ?

[chriscecc914]

jeeze chris... thats all i have to say?

how much is the shop charging you for per labor hour ?

$90 an hour is the rate along with all the other shops in my area. Along with the motor, they also installed the standback, rebuilt my head, and are reinstalling the cams. Taking the motor out, putting the head on the new motor and putting the motor back in took alot longer then the average 4 cylinder r&r.

[Mazdaspeedguy]

Yikes that is steep!

[jcgemt2003]

Chris....if you dont put down 400whp Im gonna shit.

[chriscecc914]

Chris....if you dont put down 400whp Im gonna shit.

i know me too, but who knows if their are going to be anymore obsticles with this car. Im planning on running enough boost to be in between 400 and 500 whp.

[mrlilguy157]

Yikes that is steep!

nahhh.... thats about right. $85 an hour here at Matchless Performance in Addison, TX, but its less if you work at the shop with them... ;)



Im planning on running enough boost to be in between 400 and 500 whp


i know you already know this, but i would definately not crank it up too much without the rear end/axles/diff built. my .02$

[chriscecc914]

nahhh.... thats about right. $85 an hour here at Matchless Performance in Addison, TX, but its less if you work at the shop with them... ;)





i know you already know this, but i would definately not crank it up too much without the rear end/axles/diff built. my .02$

im going to get as much power out of it as possible on the dyno. On the street I will not get on it until those things have been upgraded. Or at least try not to. Or just break them since everything else on my car has broke at least once.(evil)

As long as i dont launch i should be fine. Knock on wood.

[jcgemt2003]

I think if you upgrade the bolts on the rear diff and maybe even strap it down to the frame youll be good for awhile....I ve had a couple 6k launches with mine and everything seems ok....I mean shit all you gotta do is hit a 11.99one time and I think everyone will be satisfied.....Im at 329whp and Im pretty sure that I could hit an 12.7. With another 75whp I know I could hit at least a 12.1.

[MS6mike]

this is were we should take the speed's!!!!! i am lookin for the best way to bring down the numbers. can't wait to see yor results!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zRfi-kb9S2s&feature=related

[forrestang]

this is were we should take the speed's!!!!! i am lookin for the best way to bring down the numbers. can't wait to see yor results!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zRfi-kb9S2s&feature=related

Yikes!!!

[BoostedSpd6]

this is were we should take the speed's!!!!! i am lookin for the best way to bring down the numbers. can't wait to see yor results!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zRfi-kb9S2s&feature=related


i LOVE supra's my buddy tom's uncle has one.. its fucking beautiful.

[MS6mike]

yousill see a speed 6 flying on the track like that!

[chriscecc914]

the beast is alive and idling well as of now. Pics and hopefully a vid on Monday!

[mrlilguy157]

the beast is alive and idling well as of now. Pics and hopefully a vid on Monday!

superbad - "i gotta boner"

[MS6mike]

wooohooo!

[GhostMercury]

makes me want to get a 6 instead of a 3

[Captain KRM P5]

the beast is alive and idling well as of now. Pics and hopefully a vid on Monday!

WORD

[BoostedSpd6]

nice!! (yippy)

[Mazdaspeedguy]

Nice can't wait!

[Powerslave]

+1!!!!

[ATE BALLER]

Have you put it in gear yet? I'm pretty eager to see i vid!

[PerformanceRacing]

I believe you are getting it tuned as well, since the same shop has an AWD dyno?

Jeez - can't wait to see some numbers/vids... then times!

[rodney]

cant wait to see the numbers your puttin to the wheels!!!congrats on the progress so far

[chriscecc914]

its not tuned and it hasnt moved. The shop just had it idling yesterday. Monday i will have it for break-in. Then it goes back for tune

[zach21087]

its not tuned and it hasnt moved. The shop just had it idling yesterday. Monday i will have it for break-in. Then it goes back for tune

im about as excited as i was for my first time =)

[chriscecc914]

should have the car back within 2 hours

[Powerslave]

can't wait to here the latest scoooop!!!

[ATE BALLER]

Movie quote:

"Honey, your givin' me a hard-on!"

-Jack Nicholson, The Departed

[chriscecc914]

ITS HOME!

IMPRESSIONS SO FAR: The car is running very good and it feels like stock. The spec stage 2+ feels very much like stock with just a little bit more pressure to it. The new AWR motor mount isnt noticeable. Seems like the new CDFP upgrade is working great so far. The car is un-tuned but still idles perfectly. I havent hit boost or even tried to spool it. I'm not taking the car above 3000rpm and I dont plan on giving it more then 10% throttle even though i have downgraded from an 18psi wastegate (which caused my motor to blow), to a 12psi wastegate.

I've only had it for an hour and i drove 50 miles to start the break-in process! Thanks again to Ken at Protege Garage for getting me 99% of the parts for my beast and getting them to me extremely fast with awesome customer service (which is the main reason I decided to do buisness with Ken) and always being available for support. So far it looks like ICS did an awsome job, but as i stated before, i have to wait to see performance before I give ICS (and mrlilguy) props. Ill be installing the cp-e fmic tommorow night along with my garrett boost gauge. I decided to go with GHL for exhaust so I will be installing that next week. Its been a long time coming ladies and gentlemen! Blood, sweat, tears and most of all, alot of dead president$ went into this.*STAY TUNED* IN THE BUILD-A-BEAST THREAD FOR MORE UPDATES!

PICS:

http://i12.tinypic.com/6kiswaw.jpg

http://i11.tinypic.com/8fv6z68.jpg

http://i17.tinypic.com/6opvrys.jpg

http://i2.tinypic.com/6lkcpyp.jpg

http://i13.tinypic.com/8axvxue.jpg

VIDS: Kinda suck because its dark here in NY. Can't revv or do anything cool yet so sit tight and better video's will come when the beast is tuned!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RCF7szIHQlY

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pm-UP4LnHFc

[acidbbg]

Congrats on getting the car on the road!

Whatever you do...don't start boosting until you get the boost gauge in the car!

-C

[rodney]

hell yea man , so when are you getting it tuned

[chriscecc914]

when i have in between 500-1000 miles on the car.

I just realized the cp-e intercooler kit is only set up to run the HKS BOV so ill be delayed in the install until I find some kind of adapter flange for the Greddy Type S. Anyone know exectly what i need?

[BoostedSpd6]

when i have in between 500-1000 miles on the car.

I just realized the cp-e intercooler kit is only set up to run the HKS BOV so ill be delayed in the install until I find some kind of adapter flange for the Greddy Type S. Anyone know exectly what i need?

when i called them about this issue they told me i had to get an HKS becuase at that time they did not have another flange for any BOV made for the kit.. but that was 3-4 months ago.. id call them up and see if they have other applications for it.. if not ur gonna have to get an HKS..IMO its worth the cash... or hell the car is already custom u could make ur own pipe with ur own flange.. anyways glad hear ITS BACK..

[PerformanceRacing]

Your best solution is to that that pipe with the flange on it to a shop, have them cut it off, and weld on a GReddy flange.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Greddy-Weld-On-Blow-Off-Valve-Flange-BOV-Flange_W0QQitemZ350003356193QQihZ022QQcategoryZ337 42QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[mrlilguy157]

awesome.

simply awesome. i'll be following this thread very closely. ;)

[chriscecc914]

great...anyone wanna trade an hks for a greddy? otherwise im getting a custom flange made.

[Mazdaspeedguy]

Glad ya got the car back!

[ATE BALLER]

Do the flange man! GReddy Type-S's are kind of rare these days. I'm rockin' one that I referbished myself a while ago, and I love the sound.

[djquik1]

Subscribed

[baseballd2]

yeah i bought a greddy type s on ebay used. The thing sounded stale compared to other ones. 200 miles later and I got a check engine light from it put on my hks and no more check engine. They sound so nice but a good one is hard to find.

[chriscecc914]

Installed my boost gauge and aem wideband today. Damm its hard to find a good hole in our firewall! My friend may have an HKS BOV for me tommorow and if he does ill be installing the front mount.

[whooosh]

I'm gald you have it running now - good luck and show us the HP!!!!!!

[rodney]

man is there anything that your not gonna do to this car lol

[menaspeed]

yup it's a pain in the neck i had my gauges install and they just found it better to trow the wires under the windshield. and this shop it's the best in the buss they mainly awd cars evos sti's fynetune miami florida.

[chriscecc914]

UPDATE:

FMIC Installed today. Its running even better! Car is looking 10 times better with the FMIC in the front grill. I ended up having an aluminum welder weld my greddy flange on the IC piping. It works great but the greddy outlet is aiming right at the hot pipe. I also painted the bottem IC bracket with black wheel paint and it looks better then plain old aluminum.

I cant believe Cp-e only offers this kit with an HKS flange. It is supposed to be a "Complete Kit", but the average buyer is in for an awakening when he/she has to purchase an HKS BOV for $200+. Cp-e said that they use the HKS flange because that is, "what the majority of our customers run". Yea the majority run HKS because they are forced to with your flange. Anyways, enuff with my bitching. Ill have pics and a vid up soon.

http://i11.tinypic.com/8amlgnp.jpg

[baseballd2]

so why didnt you go with aftermarket cams?

[mrlilguy157]

so why didnt you go with aftermarket cams?

the don't make them, no tuning solution is available for any (if they were out), and gains wouldn't be worth the $1200 spent on cams (if they were available)


UPDATE:

Cp-e said that they use the HKS flange because that is, "what the majority of our customers run". Yea the majority run HKS because they are forced to with your flange. Anyways, enuff with my bitching. Ill have pics and a vid up soon.

http://i11.tinypic.com/8amlgnp.jpg

hmmmm CP-E says that because they want to force more products to be bought. unfortunately, thats limiting their market.

still looks great (wrc). arg i want more updates! go drive to mexico and back, and get tuned!

pump working fine with everything ya? if not shoot me a PM

[chriscecc914]

the don't make them, no tuning solution is available for any (if they were out), and gains wouldn't be worth the $1200 spent on cams (if they were available)



hmmmm CP-E says that because they want to force more products to be bought. unfortunately, thats limiting their market.

still looks great (wrc). arg i want more updates! go drive to mexico and back, and get tuned!

pump working fine with everything ya? if not shoot me a PM


Pumps workin great so far! I know i want to get it tuned soon also. I put about 70 miles on the car today so im getting there. I dont know if Im going to be able to get it tuned before Christmas but ill try.

[BoostedSpd6]

is there a normal break in period for new parts like lets say a FMIC, Fuel Pump..etc.. before u have a tune?

[chriscecc914]

Heres how im conducting my break-in:

Engine: 500 miles driving easy. If I bring the rpms up high, I do not get into any boost.
Clutch: 500 miles driving easy.
FMIC: Disconnect battery. Reconnect battery when installation is complete. Let the car idle for 15-20 minute. Drive.
Fuel Pump: Idle for 1 hour. 1st day drive easy. 2nd day drive easy. 3rd day drive.

[BoostedSpd6]

okay i have about 1000 on the FMIC and all of my other mods.. im getting the CDFP after the hoildays and then if the weather isnt too bad up here ill go get it tuned within the month.. i was assuming to drive easy of course but u never know.

[whooosh]

engine break in is dependent upon the build specs of the internal parts used

it's not the same across the board

as for breaking in a fuel pump or FMIC....I seriously hope you are kidding

[chriscecc914]

engine break in is dependent upon the build specs of the internal parts used

it's not the same across the board

as for breaking in a fuel pump or FMIC....I seriously hope you are kidding

FMIC and fuel pump dont require break-in, however, Mrlilguy suggests that you give idle time for the fuel pump along with driving easy for a day or 2 to check for any malfunctions or leaks.

[FabricatorX]

I sincerely hope you guys don't do easy break-ins on these cars... How else do you plan to seat the rings?

[ATE BALLER]

I wouldn't go too easy, but not too rough either I'd take it to 5000rpm or so in low boost, but no more than that.

[Parad0x01]

According to car domain thats an atp short ram intake?

Just wonder where you got it, I cant seem to find a SR intake for the speed 6.

[whooosh]

According to car domain thats an atp short ram intake?

Just wonder where you got it, I cant seem to find a SR intake for the speed 6.

how about
www.atpturbo.com

or make your own

[Parad0x01]

lol I googled atp and couldn't find that site. Ah well, thanks whoosh

[ATE BALLER]

Yahoo>Google

[BoostedSpd6]

engine break in is dependent upon the build specs of the internal parts used

it's not the same across the board

as for breaking in a fuel pump or FMIC....I seriously hope you are kidding


it took the ECU alittle while to get used to the FMIC i took it easy the first 40 miles or so and then the next day i was hard on it... took like two days and 80 miles to get used to it..

[ATE BALLER]

I believe he has a standback installed though, so as even with it zero'ed out, his ecu is pretty much only seeing stock parameters. No matter what he has done to it, it will think everything is chillin' as long as all his clamps are set right. Deffinately needs to get it tuned though. The way some other discusions are going on the other board, it sounds like a standalone is the only way to take complete control.

[whooosh]

lol I googled atp and couldn't find that site. Ah well, thanks whoosh

just click on the link - it works
www.atpturbo.com

[chriscecc914]

the ATP shortram is only sold in packages like with a turbo kit or downpipe

[Yoichi]

not true, it is sold individually for 195.00

[Igve2shtz]

They make a pipe that goes from the turbo outlet to the airbox - still utilizes stock airbox - Can be ordered in 2" or 4" depending on stock turbo or Garrett turbo.. $325

http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ATP-MS6-011&Category_Code=MS6

Then they make an extension to bolt onto their new pipe for a warm-air intake thing, $195 extra

http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ATP-MS6-012&Category_Code=MS6

[chriscecc914]

oh i didnt know that sry. exhaust was supposed to be here yesterday according to the tracking #'s but since its the holiday season it got held up. So i wont be going for tuning on monday prob go the end of next week.

[Dream]

Dude, put a 35R on this beast!!!!!

[Antoine]

Woah...What a whopper of a thread and a blast to read through...(2thumbs)

Props to you for showing what can be done with the MS6 to the rest of us...I'm sure you make all MS6 owners very proud!

I'm looking forward to the next update and some dyno numbers once you get that beast tuned!

[chriscecc914]

Woah...What a whopper of a thread and a blast to read through...(2thumbs)

Props to you for showing what can be done with the MS6 to the rest of us...I'm sure you make all MS6 owners very proud!

I'm looking forward to the next update and some dyno numbers once you get that beast tuned!

Thanks, anytime man. More pics/vids/dyno #'s to come.

[chriscecc914]

Dude, put a 35R on this beast!!!!!

Im all for testing what can break and what can't on this car, but after all this money has been spent. I wouldn't want to take this aluminum block to its limits.

[redrocketz]

next is drivetrain breakage

[rodney]

what he said^^^

[ATE BALLER]

I'm not trying to be a dick, so don't take this the wrong way. I don't think you'll be able to get 400whp. Even with the standback, I don't think the ecu will let it happen. Good luck on your tuning, but for the time being, I think it would be wise to just tune it to run safely. It'll still be plenty faster and alot over stock, but it's not going to be anywhere near the potential of your set-up. If you have real reputable tuners tuning it anyway, I would think they'd feel more comfortable with a standalone in the first place. One of the best Subaru tuners around the midwest goes by the name Booger, and his claim to fame is standalones. He took a bubble-eye wagon with lots of goodies and a cobb hot-flash, removed the flashed ecu's control (which had the car hitting 620awhp on his dyno as it was), added a standalone (I think a Megasquirt), and tuned it out to 859awhp. That's fucking impressive. At any rate, I'm just suggesting to find out from the builders and tuners what the cost and time would be to switch to a standalone. If it's in your budget, your likely to break some records for this car (as well as some axles, u-joints, driveshafts, diffs, ect...).

[BLACKMS3]

And that's why it's not your car... LOL!

FYI, I don't know of any standalones that support Direct Injection, do you?

[baseballd2]

If hes boosting in the 20's im sure he'll be pretty damn close

[Captain KRM P5]

And that's why it's not your car... LOL!

FYI, I don't know of any standalones that support Direct Injection, do you?

its really not that difficult to make happen. we've been working to this end for some time now.

[Dream]

I'm not trying to be a dick, so don't take this the wrong way. I don't think you'll be able to get 400whp. Even with the standback, I don't think the ecu will let it happen. Good luck on your tuning, but for the time being, I think it would be wise to just tune it to run safely. It'll still be plenty faster and alot over stock, but it's not going to be anywhere near the potential of your set-up. If you have real reputable tuners tuning it anyway, I would think they'd feel more comfortable with a standalone in the first place. One of the best Subaru tuners around the midwest goes by the name Booger, and his claim to fame is standalones. He took a bubble-eye wagon with lots of goodies and a cobb hot-flash, removed the flashed ecu's control (which had the car hitting 620awhp on his dyno as it was), added a standalone (I think a Megasquirt), and tuned it out to 859awhp. That's fucking impressive. At any rate, I'm just suggesting to find out from the builders and tuners what the cost and time would be to switch to a standalone. If it's in your budget, your likely to break some records for this car (as well as some axles, u-joints, driveshafts, diffs, ect...).

I pulled over 500whp with my Subaru on the stock ECU. Standalones are spendy. I think its just a matter of time before tuners crack this ECU, just give it time.

[chriscecc914]

I dont see why my car couldnt hit 400whp. The motor is good for it, the turbo is good for it, the fuel pump is good for it, and the cp-e ems is good for it. Theres already cars with stock motors and smaller turbos pulling close to 330whp and close to 400wtq. I dont see why another 70whp cant be added with more fuel, boost and tuning but we'll see in a few days.

[jcgemt2003]

I am in total agreement with you my friend. I dont see why shouldnt be able to hit at least 400whp. You have the components, now just need to see what the drivetran is gonna take. I dont know that you will see more than
450whp but My fingers are crossed and Ill be damned if that isnt a hardon down there. GOOD LUCK CHRIS AND I CAN HARDLY TAKE THE SUSPENSE.

[jcgemt2003]

My fingers a crossed my friend. I hope you hit 450whp. 400whp at least. DAMNIT!!! Get to the freakn dyno already. The suspense is killing me.

[Dream]

My fingers a crossed my friend. I hope you hit 450whp. 400whp at least. DAMNIT!!! Get to the freakn dyno already. The suspense is killing me.



THIS! (yippy)

[ATE BALLER]

Like i said, don't get me wrong. Your build is great, and probably capable of around 500hp, but the current version of the standback is not. People still can't squeeze over 21psi out of the 3071 using the standback, and don't you have the 3076? You lowered the compression inside the cylinder so that you could safely run more boost, but I don't think the standback can make it happen. Maybe the version 2.0 will be able to, but that probably won't be available until 2010.

As far as a standalone that can run di, give motec a call and ask for Jason (I think that's his name). I called him back in January about the 500hp ms6, and he yapped my ear off for an hour and a half. Kinda nerdy about technical details, but a great guy nontheless.

[redrocketz]

I've looked around and there aren't any standalones available YET for DI cars even the VAG guys still have to use other forms of software most notably GIAC software. Like Ken said we should have something available in the future for you guys but you have to be patient.

[ATE BALLER]

Like I said, call Motec. They've done it. They used secondary injectors to keep up with fueling requirements, but if that's what it takes, then so be it.

[redrocketz]

what car did they do it on?

[chriscecc914]

all the cp-e ems does is add fuel and adjust timing basically. I dont know why a certain version wouldnt be able to add fuel and pull timing if its available. Who knows.

BTW GHL exhaust was installed today. Next up is tuning.

[ATE BALLER]

what car did they do it on?

They installed it on the ms6 that no-one believes exists.

500whp
GT35R
FMIC
SRI
completely open exhaust (no cats or mufflers)
secondary fuel injection
Motec
STOCK MOTOR

The guy I talked to confirmed everything Wiggum and MrTea stated. Motec recieved the the car on a trailer with everything installed except for the standalone. They installed that and set up the maps from scratch. I have no idea how good the tune was, but he said they put about 250 miles on it before they turned it back over to the customer. He also said that he had to thank the customer to no end for giving them a real challenge. I think they did the whole thing for free for that customer in particular, due to who the customer was and to give them some experience with di.

[ATE BALLER]

all the cp-e ems does is add fuel and adjust timing basically. I dont know why a certain version wouldnt be able to add fuel and pull timing if its available. Who knows.

BTW GHL exhaust was installed today. Next up is tuning.

It can adjust fuel and timing, but it can't keep the ecu happy enough to stop fuel cut. Josh told me a couple weeks ago that version 2.0 will pretty much be a whole new unit. It should be able to make everything good to go. There's just too many kinks to work out before anyone can really tune some serious power out of this car.

To quote Josh:

"This ECU is an asshole."

[chriscecc914]

Here's a cool vid for everyone: http://youtube.com/watch?v=j331H9k-UUI

[Powerslave]

cool video!! nice effects with the video editing, I see your not running any boost till you get it tuned did you set your boost control tab to 0 or does the boost come on after 4k?

[Sport6]

thats pretty sweet, i like the sound.

(though its not a sweet as your shadow boxing video... haha jp..)

[redrocketz]

so there was a 6 with a custom 35rs turbo (which means custom manifold), custom exhaust, custom FMIC, Custom intake, custom standalone, either an injector plate or custom intake manifold, and then it was crushed correct?

and why doesn't MOTEC offer this standalone now? You would think with all that work that was done to the car that they would offer atleast one part they developed for it to the public...

[BLACKMS3]

I agree. If they went to the trouble, why not make it available? I like money, maybe they don't?

Motec has been in the game for a long time and if you can afford their stuff, you can rest assured you are dealing with the best.

[Dream]

cool video!! nice effects with the video editing, I see your not running any boost till you get it tuned did you set your boost control tab to 0 or does the boost come on after 4k?

LOL

[Mazdaspeedguy]

You need a new camera! My god that was terrible to watch! Good luck with the tune hope it all goes well for ya.

[Igve2shtz]

Exhaust sounds beaaaauuutttiful

[jcgemt2003]

No such thing as a 500whp mazda speed6. Sorry, But thats like me telling you I ran a 12.1@120mph. No one would believe me until there was proof and me getting all my comrades together and having them say its true isnt proof.
Show me some proof. Nothing personal but this is the freakn internet and anyone can say whatever they want without consequence. For all you guys no Im not even posting real numbers and this avatar isnt even my car. See what I mean? 500WHP SPEED6 = EL CHUPACABRA

[wannabe]

lol you guys crack me up.

i would love to see this 500 whp vehicle personally..

[ATE BALLER]

so there was a 6 with a custom 35rs turbo (which means custom manifold), custom exhaust, custom FMIC, Custom intake, custom standalone, either an injector plate or custom intake manifold, and then it was crushed correct?

and why doesn't MOTEC offer this standalone now? You would think with all that work that was done to the car that they would offer atleast one part they developed for it to the public...

They used thier normal motec standalone, not a custom one. Have you seen how much shit that thing can do? The maps deffinately have the resolution for it. IDK about it getting crushed because I only inquired about it once almost a year ago. As for marketing it for di cars, how could they morally tell people it works, charge them that insane price, and then tell them they have to add secondary fuel injection and everything that goes along with that, and then they have to make thier own maps from scratch. Even if they made a kit that takes care of it all, it'd be over $15,000 w/o the rest of the power mods, and the tune wouldn't be close to anybodies particular set up. Now that there are upgraded fuel pumps confirmed to work, that "could" be a different story.


No such thing as a 500whp mazda speed6. Sorry, But thats like me telling you I ran a 12.1@120mph. No one would believe me until there was proof and me getting all my comrades together and having them say its true isnt proof.
Show me some proof. Nothing personal but this is the freakn internet and anyone can say whatever they want without consequence. For all you guys no Im not even posting real numbers and this avatar isnt even my car. See what I mean? 500WHP SPEED6 = EL CHUPACABRA

Want proof, call motec yourself. I don't know them, or even where they're located for that matter. I got the number off thier website just like anyone else can.

[Powerslave]

LOL

whoops he was at idle... yeah even if you floor it at idle you might get 5psi if you juts rev it goes to zero.

[MrTea]

though this is off topic, i can attest to the pumped up speed. i've been trying to get one of the guys that did the fab on it to work on my tranny/engine mount setup this week, but holidays are a bitch. the kit was a "no numbers" car, like that used in many SEMA vehicles, that has a 12 month shelf like pretty much....car must be crushed with proof. it belonged to one of the Mazdaspeed VP's. DI is going to be one of the next big things in racing, so the experience Motec got was a learning time for them....not building a product.

i was talking to the Mazda guys at Laguna Seca a few weeks ago, they really liked the platform when they saw what it was capable of.

but, i really don't see (as stated) anyone dropping the cost of a Motec on a street car, so why market it....they just used it to learn from. though i'm sure they still have all the info.

[ATE BALLER]

Hell, they were willing install one in my car and get it running as is if I was willing to drop the bucks on the unit and let them have the car for about a month. I'm kicking myself in the ass for not taking the offer, but that's ALOT of grip that I didn't have.

[chriscecc914]

UPDATE:

my speed 6 went back to ICS this morning for oil change, coolant flush, boost controller install, and wiring the cp-e ems. As soon as they finish, it will be in the dyno room for tuning. Once again, lets keep our fingers crossed.