A little stumped

[Finkle]

hey guys i have a 07 speed 3
with a cp-e intake and i just installed my cp-e downpipe yesterday (without the cat) and now im noticing blue smoke coming from my car, smells like buring oil.
Car never did this before i changed the down-pipe
any ideas?
is this the dp breakin in?
thx
gary

[VermZ06]

hey guys i have a 07 speed 3
with a cp-e intake and i just installed my cp-e downpipe yesterday (without the cat) and now im noticing blue smoke coming from my car, smells like buring oil.
Car never did this before i changed the down-pipe
any ideas?
is this the dp breakin in?
thx
gary

i've heard of many instances where mods are creating this with our DISI engines...I know for certain the ms6 has this and i'm sure since it's the same engine the MS3 will be similar. you should check out the ms6 threads...they may have an answer since their cars have been out longer...sorry I can't be more help

[Jays07MS3]

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123682442

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123685523&highlight=smoke+turbo+seals

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123661073&highlight=smoke+turbo+seals

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123676075&highlight=smoke+turbo+seals

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123680193&highlight=smoke+turbo+seals

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123678235&highlight=smoke+turbo+seals

There are many more threads discussing this topic but here are a few decent ones. I am hoping to get a downpipe soon and if this happens to me, I'm definitely taking it into the dealer and hopefully get a new turbo out of it.

Good luck

EDIT: Great post from Jordan @ CP-E



So .. under what conditions will the MS3 start billowing the white'ish smoke from the exhaust at idle that I read about.

Will it do it with RP only and stock CBE?
Will it do it with aftermarket CBE & rest stock?
Will it do it with aftermarket DP (no cat), RP, & stock CBE?
Full TBE no cats?

Just looking for info because some of the pics I've seen it looks kinda embarrassing with the billowing white'ish smoke. I'm NOT talking about
the pig rich puffs of smoke either under WOT, but the WHITE'ish smoke which seems to billow from the tip at idle or revving when aftermarket pieces are introduced.

Tks,
Mike


Unfortunately there is no particular combination of aftermarket parts that creates the white smoke issue at idle. In fact, we have a record of stock cars that have this smoking issue, so it isn't limited only to modified cars. We don't know exactly why the car starts smoking, but the Mazda Techs that we've spoken to unanimously agree that the turbo seals are to blame in one respect or another. And just to be clear, this is not an issue that is specific to cp-e parts.

What we do know about the issue is that first, some cars are affected and others are not. The other thing we know is that high-flow exhaust components exacerbates the problem. However, not all cars are affected, as I know many turboback equipped cars that don't have any issue at all, and know of several stock cars that are. For instance:


This person took his car to Mazda, doesn't have cp-e products on the car, and they agreed the problem was an OEM issue:

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123671820&highlight=smoking

Here is a thread with a SPEED6 whose car is smoking, and it only has a Mazdaspeed CAI installed:

http://tinyurl.com/3cbk6z

Here is another thread where they discuss what the Mazda techs said about the smoking issue. Also, in the third post down someone with our exhaust products installed said the smoking went away after he replaced his turbo:

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3217751&postcount=3

Here is another member who has none of our products, but still has the smoking issue with a Magnaflow catback:

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123673987&highlight=smoking


Hopefully this helps to clear things up, but the problem still remains without an official fix to this day. It seems some Mazda dealers are stepping up to the plate and are owning up to the issue, whereas others are not. Probably not the answer you were looking for, but that's the information we have so far.


Jordan

[tru-boost]

yep this will happen with any DP. the CP-E WITH the cat seems to be the only one that has some success without smoking.

[ill_eagle94]

Pretty sure the DP isn't causing anything, except allowing you to see the smoke. I bet it's already there but the particles are small enough to get caught in the cat and burn off before getting out the exhaust.

[dkswim]

how many miles have you had DP on for, beacuse first week will result in a little smell and smoke from burning off the protectant and wd-40. you might pull off the intercooler and check for oil in it if its been more then a week.

[tru-boost]

Pretty sure the DP isn't causing anything, except allowing you to see the smoke. I bet it's already there but the particles are small enough to get caught in the cat and burn off before getting out the exhaust.

i disagree. it was oil smoke that my TBE blew. if it was burnig oils stock, the primary cat had have been clogged and oil soaked. this is still an on going debate. i dont care what the cause is i just want it fixed !

[ill_eagle94]

i disagree. it was oil smoke that my TBE blew. if it was burnig oils stock, the primary cat had have been clogged and oil soaked. this is still an on going debate. i dont care what the cause is i just want it fixed !

Remember how hot the cat gets when it gets clogged. It would burn off the oil pretty easily.

[Haltech]

Have any of you with this problem been checking your oil level to see if its dropping at a noticeable rate?

[ill_eagle94]

I've had smoke a couple times. I check my oil every once in a while and notice no change. It does not take much oil to make a lot of smoke.

[tru-boost]

Remember how hot the cat gets when it gets clogged. It would burn off the oil pretty easily.

i taken it you have never seen a clogged cat ! some will burn off in the exhaust. the rest will bake into the cat and clogg it up. been there and done that !! all the nitrous on my old ford probe messed up a ring. not horribly just enough to see smoke on herd acceleration. it had the cat all clogged up in less than 10k miles after the smoke started.

[Finkle]

well my car went to the dealer today, its a good thing that i work for the dealer. so we will kno very soon what the culprit is

[Gasological]

If you can't see the smoke, it doesn't mean that bad things aren't happening. The turbo seal failures were more visible in the speed 6s, but totally logical they'll show up on the 3s.

Unless you've got a oil protectant that the exhaust system was packed in, there is NO DAMNED REASON your exhaust should be creating smoke. It's coming from upstream, just not being filtered out/soaked up by the cats (since they're gone, or more open). Get it checked, and don't take no for an answer. Too many zoom zoom boom's already.

[jalaan1]

well my car went to the dealer today, its a good thing that i work for the dealer. so we will kno very soon what the culprit is

yeah, def. keep us updated since you work for them they'll prob.
tell you the truth of things, hopefully.

[Finkle]

well they checked my car over and said no visible damage anywhere, they are trying to blame my bpv, they say it was kinda pintched and that may have caused it....the master tech said he couldnt call mazda canada and run the vin cuz they were closed so it looks like moday till i find out more news

[tru-boost]

that tech is a moron and does not deserve his job.

[Finkle]

LOL, wanna know the funny thing he is the MASTER tech too. Hopefully he will figure it out, apparently he said that my bpv vacuum line was basically crimped shut..... but he said that wouldnt do much to the car.
Now the thing is, i was driving home last nite and on my way home the engine light came on!!! now thats just great, imma get it scanned and see what comes on.....the only thing i may figure is that its me not having my cat in the downpipe, but that light shoulda came on earlier cuz ive already put 500km on the downpipe
any ideas????

[mazdaspeed32007]

LOL, wanna know the funny thing he is the MASTER tech too. Hopefully he will figure it out, apparently he said that my bpv vacuum line was basically crimped shut..... but he said that wouldnt do much to the car.
Now the thing is, i was driving home last nite and on my way home the engine light came on!!! now thats just great, imma get it scanned and see what comes on.....the only thing i may figure is that its me not having my cat in the downpipe, but that light shoulda came on earlier cuz ive already put 500km on the downpipe
any ideas????

mine came on recently too and they cleared the code and ran the recalls.

i got the pcm calibrated (4907H)

the shutter valve was checked but was alright...it was the updated valve with "the yellow dot". (4807H)

they also checked for the evap leak and that came back ok also (P0456)

the emissions recall was the one that set off my light. the exhaust seems to be running a bit cleaner but its still to early to tell whether the soot is lessened by any accredit-able amount. i dont know. im getting my TBE soon and ill only have one mini cat and my megan CF can on the back. im hoping i dont get loads of smoke. then again my buddy has a speed6 with the same thing, except dual, and he has no problems...so...(shrug) yours is probably the 4907H recall also if you didnt do it already. i have 10000 and it didnt kick on until about 100 miles ago. hopefully its a quick fix and the smoke stops. or better yet, you get the newer turbo like many others have. (yippy)

[Finkle]

my car is a late production 2007, so the turbo design couldnt be much different if any at all
we'll know what it is by tonite

[Finkle]

so i got it scanned at the dealership i work at and the code that came up is
P0139......well thats cuz my 2nd o2 is sensing air coming thorugh or soehting like that.....the code is understandable
now to get the smoking issue fixed, the tech i talked to today has already come to the conclusion of turbo, or rings

[mazdaspeed32007]

so i got it scanned at the dealership i work at and the code that came up is
P0139......well thats cuz my 2nd o2 is sensing air coming thorugh or soehting like that.....the code is understandable
now to get the smoking issue fixed, the tech i talked to today has already come to the conclusion of turbo, or rings

someone else had a problem with their O2 sensor not reading the values fast enough or something like that causing the CEl the be thrown. when you find out what the smoking is let me know. im going to take my car down to the dealership and throw a lie and say i saw smoke a few times to get them to check my turbo out for no good reason but to nip the problem in the butt if i have one, and because i hate my dealership and anything to give them more stress and a busier day for no cost is well worth the lie. (silly)

[$inCitySpeed3]

someone else had a problem with their O2 sensor not reading the values fast enough or something like that causing the CEl the be thrown. when you find out what the smoking is let me know. im going to take my car down to the dealership and throw a lie and say i saw smoke a few times to get them to check my turbo out for no good reason but to nip the problem in the butt if i have one, and because i hate my dealership and anything to give them more stress and a busier day for no cost is well worth the lie. (silly)hahahhaahahahahahahaha omg thats funny, must have had it bad from your dealer...mine stuck it to me on the price(it was the only silver one in town at the time) but they are cool about mods, so i thought i will save the bomb for later...lol

[mazdaspeed32007]

hahahhaahahahahahahaha omg thats funny, must have had it bad from your dealer...mine stuck it to me on the price(it was the only silver one in town at the time) but they are cool about mods, so i thought i will save the bomb for later...lol

yea they arent to bad about the mods. a buddy of mine had plenty done and until he changed a major component of the engine (FMIC) they kept his warranty until. they've seen mine also and they havent said a word so....

same here with the price man. i tried to get them to go a little lower so i could get the payments under "out of control" and they sales manager spouted some bs about how they cant get enough of them, and theres tons of people willing to pay that price so he cant do a thing for me blah blah blah. not that thy arent popular but seriously guy....help your customers. dont bs me, im no retard.....so retard me payed the price. lol. and now theres been a red one sitting on their lot for about a month now with no lookers. ass. oh and btw....when the sticker says the crash tests are NA for side impact...WRONG. its poor. dont let them fool you. i told the sales rep and he was like...im a stupid sales rep and everybody elses valid crash tests with test dummies and giant machines and tons of chinese people with laptops and high tech equipment are cancer victims that spread diseases and eat new born children are invalid. whatever deutshe. they ripped me off on an oil change too. they didnt change the filter at all. i changed it myself the next time and everything was the same. 45 bills for an hour drive to my dealership. nice. then they washed my detailed car with a pressure washer and didnt dry it off. thanks guys. good job.

[Finkle]

The Dealership Just Warrantied My Trubo...a New One On The Way Yay

[AutoXRacer]

Will you get a revised turbo or exactly the same one?

[Finkle]

ohh now thats a good question, i will have to find out about that monday, is there a differenet part # for the revised one?

[ill_eagle94]

ohh now thats a good question, i will have to find out about that monday, is there a differenet part # for the revised one?

He didn't ask if you are getting THE revised one. He asked if you were getting A revised one. A revised one may not exist. :)

[tru-boost]

there IS a revised part # for turbo replacements. the problem is that nobody seems to know WHAT was revised !!

[bacarl]

Problems like bad/defective turbo seals causing smoke are the kind of thing that should be caught pre-production, in the development stages. When there is an issue like this that's caught after production starts, things get pretty confusing. I work for Ford engineering and there are always parts that have to be tweaked or altered after a car is released, due to issues like this that no one saw coming. For the parts I handle, all that happens for an updated part is a very sutle part number change called a suffix bump. The base part number stays exactly the same in order to designate the part within its respective category. On top of that, the service part number (the one the dealer uses) is different from the engineering part numbers! So there's a chance that the dealer's part number would be identical, even though the turbo has been revised.

Moral of the story, late changes like this always happen, but they always happen for a reason. Unfortunately there are usually only a handful of engineers that are directly responsible who are really familiar with the intricacies of a change. That makes it next to impossible for the rest of us to know if something like a turbo seal change was made and if new cars are now being built with a revised part, or if a revised part even exists.


someone else had a problem with their O2 sensor not reading the values fast enough or something like that causing the CEl the be thrown. when you find out what the smoking is let me know. im going to take my car down to the dealership and throw a lie and say i saw smoke a few times to get them to check my turbo out for no good reason but to nip the problem in the butt if i have one, and because i hate my dealership and anything to give them more stress and a busier day for no cost is well worth the lie. (silly)
Most of us aren't great fans of our dealers, but remember that warranty work just gets billed back to Mazda. The dealer isn't paying out of pocket for this work. Warranties are technically Mazda's engineering or process errors, so they pay to repair them. If there's nothing wrong with your car, your dealer will be wasting Mazda's money to repair nothing. Just an FYI :) All that being said, I'm still paranoid about my car and want things checked out if I hear of a common problem, even if my car shows no symptoms.



This was my very long way of subbing to this thread because there's a ton of good info here! (thumb)

[Sierra117]

The dealer has little to no control over what acutally gets warrenteed. With the company I work for, dealerships actually have to send the case in to get it approved. If a dealership is up to date on training, then they can good will it. Most large dealerships get a free pass on having warrenty work approved, but if they start doing tons of work and driving up large costs for the manufacturer to pay, then they'll end up getting audited for their claims.

[bacarl]

Hey just read this in a related post. Probably old news but this whole issue is new to me since I only just bought my 08 MS3 late last summer.


I just got my car back with the new turbo and NO smoke! I had my wife drive behind me as we drove home and she verified under accelaration and at stops that no smoke was evident.

Previous to the turbo replacement, I always noticed that my boost gauge was showing me that the old turbo would spike around 15 PSI and dropped down to about 11-12 PSI. Now, no spikes.

My service advisor stated that Mazda has updated the turbo seals and my VIN fell within the suspected ranged of cars with the "old" version, hence the replacement of the turbo.

This was contrary to what the head tech. at the dealership had suspected the problem was a leaky valve guide.
quote comes from page 3 of following thread http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123682442&page=3

Those of you with smoke, maybe check with your dealer, have them contact the hotline and see if your VIN resides in the "old turbo seal" range.

Good Luck!

[Finkle]

once i figure out the part #'s i will post them
maybe ill walk down to service today and harass them for it