what would you need to get to go over 22psi?

[ravnos]

Hey,
Just wondering if I'm missing anything here: upgraded turbo, full turbo-back system, stand back ecu, better intake manifold...that's all I can think of off the top of head.

[mountjonas]

injectors, fuel pump?

[staples187]

Well if you go with a bigger turbo I wouldn't suggest running 22psi because that'll probably end up melting a piston or snapping a rod. The GT3071R makes more power at 10psi then our stock turbos make at 15-16psi, of course you'll have more turbo lag though.

[tru-boost]

a new motor, a new cam driven fuel pump, a wide body kit (cuz you will need HUGE tires) and a shit load of $$$$$$$

[knowledge007]

lmao, if and when my new factory turbo of mine blows I will be be getting the gt3071 kit and keep the CP-E CBE.

[fourthmeal]

Hey,
Just wondering if I'm missing anything here: upgraded turbo, full turbo-back system, stand back ecu, better intake manifold...that's all I can think of off the top of head.

Can I ask the obvious question of "Why would you like to go that high?" Are you looking for a certain horsepower output? Because psi isn't the only numerator here. A turbo with higher flow may actually produce a lot more power at a lower psi then our stock turbo. Meaning, psi is irrelevant compared to what you expect out of your car powerwise.

[BHOUST528]

i dont even think the bottom end would hold that kind stress with that much boost...so you might would want to check into main caps,rods,bearings.etc shit just rebuild the whole bottom end...

[Haltech]

Its all in the tune guys. You reach a point where the internals can handle only so much but you will be surprised how quick detonation and lean conditions could ruin the most badass billet rod built motor. There shoulnt be any issues holding at least 400 to the wheels with this car. The rods arent very long.

[mrlilguy157]

Its all in the tune guys. You reach a point where the internals can handle only so much but you will be surprised how quick detonation and lean conditions could ruin the most badass billet rod built motor. There shoulnt be any issues holding at least 400 to the wheels with this car. The rods arent very long.

x2

a solid wideband 02, mixed with water/meth for safety ontop of CPE's standback will sit pretty, as well as a new intercooler. forget a catback, just get a vacuum actuated exhaust cutout or electric exhaust cutout to mate with the new downpipe that will be constructed for the bigger turbo. a injectors won't be needing changing, but the camdriven (DISI) fuel pump will need replacing.

[Craighjr]

Well I have installed currently; MS CAI, Cork DP, Vibrant EX. That hits 21.5 psi and boost cut. Maybe add the ATP cut defender and blow your motor. Have a good one.

[mrlilguy157]

Well I have installed currently; MS CAI, Cork DP, Vibrant EX. That hits 21.5 psi and boost cut. Maybe add the ATP cut defender and blow your motor. Have a good one.

oh how i love close minded unintelligent responses.

The boost cut killer is a great little device. Ive run it for over 4 months now with no symptoms; as well as an a/f of 10.5:1.

So please state logical advice

[funkyman]

You don`t need a GT30 Gt28 is good enough for 350-375@ wheels and it is a very quick spooling ball bearing trubo,more so than the GT30.The bigger the turbos,the more the lag,so that would affect your 1/4 miles etc getting off the mark.I thought the cam driven fuel pump was more than adequate with immense hi-pressure capabilitites,it just needs to be controlled and the ECU hacked.The fuel pump in the fuel tank( fuel tank-mounted supply pump)i think is the dilemma,not so much the cam fuel pump.Thats what i understood from former technical readings.These hi-tech hybrid cam fuel pumps are a work of art really and i believe can handle alot of fuel.

[joka1]

I run higher than that in my protege ;)

Anyway I dont know much abt the speed 3 but I would highly reccomend a wideband o2 gauge, turbo pryometer gauge, good knowledge of tuning (w/a laptop based tunable EMS), oil pressure and water temp gauge.

Rob

[clos561]

Hey,
Just wondering if I'm missing anything here: upgraded turbo, full turbo-back system, stand back ecu, better intake manifold...that's all I can think of off the top of head.

injectors and fuel is going to be your biggest issue, along with a good tune and down the road ull need new rods and pistons

[Craighjr]

oh how i love close minded unintelligent responses.

The boost cut killer is a great little device. Ive run it for over 4 months now with no symptoms; as well as an a/f of 10.5:1.

So please state logical advice

Im sorry this guy wants to hit 22 psi on a car he doesn't even own yet. I was mearly giving him my set up (recipe for disaster) for 21.5 psi. Whatever only having a little fun. I never said the ATP was bad. You guys with those are so jumpy. I just chose tuning over a MBC for my goals.


The fuel pump in the fuel tank( fuel tank-mounted supply pump)i think is the dilemma,not so much the cam fuel pump.Thats what i understood from former technical readings.These hi-tech hybrid cam fuel pumps are a work of art really and i believe can handle alot of fuel.

Last I heard it was the cam pump that is the problem still. The in tank can be upgraded with avalible ford or walboros now


injectors and fuel is going to be your biggest issue, along with a good tune and down the road ull need new rods and pistons

Injectors are at something like 50%duty cycle now. They could handle alot more if the pumps can keep up.

[clos561]

o yea i forgot about that...

[ravnos]

ok so upgrading turbo=wrong. So has anyone pushed the internals to see what they can handle? My goal is just to get 350wph+ on the car when I get it. I'm going to have like 2-2.5 grand to spend immediately when I get my car on whatever I wanna get and I was thinking of a new BOV.

i'm very new to the FI scene so pardon my ignorance.

[mistermatt]

ok so upgrading turbo=wrong. So has anyone pushed the internals to see what they can handle? My goal is just to get 350wph+ on the car when I get it. I'm going to have like 2-2.5 grand to spend immediately when I get my car on whatever I wanna get and I was thinking of a new BOV.

i'm very new to the FI scene so pardon my ignorance.

you have 2.5 grand and the first thing you can think of to get is a bov?

[knowledge007]

Thats will be it. BOV go's for about 2k...lmao

[Craighjr]

ok so upgrading turbo=wrong. So has anyone pushed the internals to see what they can handle? My goal is just to get 350wph+ on the car when I get it. I'm going to have like 2-2.5 grand to spend immediately when I get my car on whatever I wanna get and I was thinking of a new BOV.

i'm very new to the FI scene so pardon my ignorance.

Turbo isn't wrong it just wouldn't be wise with out the supporting mods. For around 2500 you can get an intake, top mount ic, turbo back, and some tuning with a interceptor style cpu. That will max out your cam driven fuel pump and run pretty safely around 315 whp. There are other things like the bov and wide bands that guys will give you shit for buying or not buying, but the above list is the basic set up to get there while internally stock.

[clos561]

with 2500, ur car will be close to 350 whp 300-325 is my guess

[mrlilguy157]

according to CP-E's inhouse studies, injectors are actually at 20% duty cycle under stock tune at full load... so even more headroom to play with :)

[Craighjr]

according to CP-E's inhouse studies, injectors are actually at 20% duty cycle under stock tune at full load... so even more headroom to play with :)

OK I knew it was low but didnt know the exacts, so thanks for backing that up.

[ravnos]

For around 2500 you can get an intake, top mount ic, turbo back, and some tuning with a interceptor style cpu. That will max out your cam driven fuel pump and run pretty safely around 315 whp.

I might go ahead and do that first off then.

[fourthmeal]

ok so upgrading turbo=wrong. So has anyone pushed the internals to see what they can handle? My goal is just to get 350wph+ on the car when I get it. I'm going to have like 2-2.5 grand to spend immediately when I get my car on whatever I wanna get and I was thinking of a new BOV.

i'm very new to the FI scene so pardon my ignorance.


There ya go! A horsepower goal as opposed to a psi goal. Thank you for elaborating for me what you really want.

Now, to do 350 most efficiently, I'd suggest:

Standback or Piggyback tuning solution
Turbo-back exhaust
CAI or SRI intake of your choice, my suggestion is Cobb or CP-E (due to the issue of MAF's)
Methanol/Water injection system

Good to go! This should be good for at least 350whp if not 390+, if tuned carefully. Cost? Maybe $2200-2500.

You'll also want to consider:

A rear motor mount like AWR or TRZ.
A short shifter, seems to really make this car something special
A clutch upgrade really soon.
Also, a BPV like Forge.

[redrocketz]

OK to get 350+ is going to take alot of money if you can't install it all yourself. You would HAVE to get a Standback or XEDE, Intake, Turbo Back exhaust, a motor mount (AWR is not the best idea for that kind of power goal) We are pushing stock internals on a speed6 at 300awhp and it isn't even tuned right yet. It will take more work than most people think I've had alot of experience with different Speeds and it takes alot of work to get them just right.

[Haltech]

You can get nearly that much hp to the wheels with a standback. Get the CP-E CAI kit, a downpipe and youre right there.. $1200.

[staples187]

Next on these agenda for me CPE downpipe, stage 2 clutch, 12lb flywheel, CPE Standback.