Got the standback installed its GREAT!!!!

[MS3ICA]

even with the stock 2 maps on is 15 psi and one is 17 psi either one pulls signifanclty more than stock and past 6000 rpm to redline, not to mention no more boost spike and the power feels more direct and smooth. and i havnet even pluged it up to a computer to tune it or anything the stock maps are pretty good!(drinks)(band). I hope everything continues to go smooth with no problems :), if anybody has any questions feel free to ask

[uncletime]

got pics of it installed? you had to hardwire it right?

[MS3ICA]

i havent taken any pics yet i will tommorw, yeah you have to suater it in, its reealy not that big of a deal, it seems hairy and scary at first but as long as your careful and follow the instructions and think about what your doing and double check everything it pretty straight foward

[MS3ICA]

im going to go get a beer and watch some tv, if some one asks a questions i'll be back in a few

[SAVAGE70]

Which standback did u get?

[MS3ICA]

got the cp-e standback piggy back ecu, just wanted to say all ya'll vendors are great cp-e and the cpatain protege garage both offer real bargains for quality products!!

[SharkDiver]

That must be nice to have 17psi all the way up to 6k+.Now you need to find a shop and get it dialed in.

[MS3ICA]

yeah with a dyon tune theres plenty of power to be found

[MS3ICA]

im going to go get a beer and watch some tv, if some one asks a questions i'll be back in a few

+1(first)

[MS3ICA]

peace out guys im tryen to get to bed eailirer and drink less brews!!!! , nice dyno numbers sahrk cat later bud

[allmotor95pgt]

can u post pics of the install and the instrucions to what wires to use on the haeness. and what they are.

[JBOOTH]

why did ms3ica get banned right after posting this thread?

[JBOOTH]

i got the standback and its running great, i did discver something that alot of people dont know that should just lke on xede you have to turn the ignition on"on" and wait a second for the standback to recognize the and caliubrate the signal if you go to fast its not perfect anf can throw a temp cel. its real the electrician at cpe confirmed it today and as long as I wait 1 second no cel and this thing rips ass!!!!! whoops i posted this on the mazda forums i might get banned....

[JBOOTH]

jooooan booooooth and you!!!!!!!!! lol a little joke between freinds...lol ive been following the forum i have exchanged ideas and read all ms3ica posts it is strange that ms3ica got banned after this thread post, whats up with the forum???????

[fourthmeal]

Worst spelling - ever.

Suater? Solder. There.

All kidding aside, why'd he get banned? Did he talk stuff while drunk or something? I imagine we've all done that.

[knowledge007]

Agree this thing rips ass...!!!

[jbiird317]

Worst spelling - ever.

Suater? Solder. There.

All kidding aside, why'd he get banned? Did he talk stuff while drunk or something? I imagine we've all done that.

gsrtype1 = ms3ica = jbooth

all the same person, all banned (well, jbooth is next im sure)

[ragindark]

Agree this thing rips ass...!!!

What kind of times are you getting with your setup...0-60, 1/4 mile?

[knowledge007]

Haven't done the 1/4 yet...

[clos561]

gsrtype1 = ms3ica = jbooth

all the same person, all banned (well, jbooth is next im sure)

why did he get banned? jsut because he has multiple names?

[-pixy-]

why did he get banned? jsut because he has multiple names?

the first name was permanently banned after alot of inflamatory drunk posting, there were many warnings. Returning after a permanent ban under a differnt name is against forum rules. He probally would have not been caught if he didn't start drunk posting again.

[fourthmeal]

PWI eh?

Posting While Intoxicated.

[-pixy-]

PWI eh?

Posting While Intoxicated.

yeah. sometimes it can be funny, but this dude is definately an angry, racist drunk.

[clos561]

he can just make another name tho right? lol shitty for him...hes gona be like hey im new!...and i have these mods...(exact same mods)

[-pixy-]

he can just make another name tho right? lol shitty for him...hes gona be like hey im new!...and i have these mods...(exact same mods)
His ip is banned, guess he really wants to be on this forum if he goes around that to register.

same mods, same profession, same avatar (that was just dumb)

[javanc]

HA HA i knew it. It was the Texan dude back again, i even told him i knew it was him and he replied with "do i know you?" I love the forums.
Like a serial killer, he likes to revisit the scene of his crimes and cant keep from braggin about the things hes done. You boys shoulda caught hime back in august when he registered as MS3ICA. He cant even type straight when making his screen name.

[laloosh]

you could never get banned from a forum. Its called an ip scrambler and different user names. If some1 really wants to be an asshole they could completly trash whatever board they want.

[Nate731]

That's it... Give the kiddie more ideas... (hand)

[funkyman]

Cp-E standback my butt,it hasn`t even been released yet so stop screwing around you donuts.

[SwampAss]

It's out.


Can someone scan the directions or provide a link? I want to know just how much splicing I have to do.

[knowledge007]

Cp-E standback my butt,it hasn`t even been released yet so stop screwing around you donuts.

Thats got be the most stupid thing I have read yet... It has been out for who ever wants to pay for about 3 months now. I can name 5 people inculding myself who have this system. Ill post some pics later.

[knowledge007]

It's out.


Can someone scan the directions or provide a link? I want to know just how much splicing I have to do.

I did my own install. You have to cut if I remember correctly, cut 5 and splice 5 or something like that. I just checked the ECU but is such a cluster fuck in there its crazy. I zip tied everything up to keep it all clear of anything. But thats what I counted. I don't have my instructions with me as they are at home.

[SwampAss]

I was wondering how hard it would be to remove.


From street unit:

Totally transparent to the ECU so there are no check engine lights or evidence of tampering. When going in for dealer service, clear out the tables in the software and remove the device. There is no evidence that changes have been made.

[knowledge007]

I was wondering how hard it would be to remove.


From street unit:

What do you mean regarding removing? Do you want to remove the unit and wiring harness? Or do you want to remove the unit and plug the bypass plug in?

[fourthmeal]

Time to burn some skin on the soldering iron.

[SwampAss]

What do you mean regarding removing? Do you want to remove the unit and wiring harness? Or do you want to remove the unit and plug the bypass plug in?

I want to remove so my service techs don't see anything when they look. I'm guessing the bypass plug answers my question. thanks

[SharkDiver]

I want to remove so my service techs don't see anything when they look. I'm guessing the bypass plug answers my question. thanks

If they look at the wire harness arent they going to see the splices or a bunch of elecrical tape.It seems like something that is hard to hide and if it is found Im guessing that your warranty will be over at that point.Where the hell are the PNP harness plugs,That would solve everything.

[clos561]

not ready yet....the new standback i think will be pnp and have 100% throttle control (second gen) ...correct me if im wrong

[knowledge007]

As long as the connections are done correctly, and or you decide to take the unit out and wiring harness and make good connections and tape them up. You will have no problem. As a matter of fact the ECU wiring harness was all taped up. I spliced and cut where the tape originally was. I know for a fact that if I take this unit out in the near future I can surely disguise everything to look like factory.

[funkyman]

The standbacks you have is a load of bullocks,the real MS3 pre-programmed,PNP standback with full throttle controll is not out yet and not for sale as a MS3 exclusive part on their web site,neither is your stand backs available for sale as a MS3 standback so there.Yours is primarily a tuning solution designed for the MS6 which not the same ECU at all.

[knowledge007]

A load of bullocks hu.... B/c if and when CP-E does get full control, you don't think they just send an updated version. But yet I am able to adjust boost, a/f, timing, and fuel cut. But yet this is a load of bullocks hu.

And now you say the ECU's on the 6 and 3 are TOTALLY different but yet the same engine...??? Might be a few different wires the cut and splice but all the same shit. Why don't you give a CP-E a call. See what they have to say. I hope they get a chance to read your post.

[udontknowjack]

from what i understand from jordan at cpe....u cant just update the standback u have right now with software....u will need to buy another units but in a discount price....

[knowledge007]

Either way Funky is a prime example of some people on here that need to do some research before they stick there stinky ass foot in there mouths.

[udontknowjack]

(shrug)

[www.cp-e.com]

The standbacks you have is a load of bullocks,the real MS3 pre-programmed,PNP standback with full throttle controll is not out yet and not for sale as a MS3 exclusive part on their web site,neither is your stand backs available for sale as a MS3 standback so there.Yours is primarily a tuning solution designed for the MS6 which not the same ECU at all.


Yeah, not sure that I follow your reasoning. I'm not saying that you're wrong, but I'm just trying to understand what you're saying. The ECU has nothing to do with this discussion since the ECU has no idea that the Standback is attached to the vehicle. That's the beauty of a piggyback engine controller; it's totally transparent to the ECU.

Even more to the point, the current Standback was developed specifically for the turbo MZR in the SPEED3/6/CX7, hence why these three cars are the only ones currently running our Standback. We are installing our Standback into some other cars (Mazda 6S, BMW 335i, Acura RDX) but the Standback was originally intended for the aforementioned Mazda vehicles. I mean, how many piggybacks do you know of that can control the DISI high pressure fuel pump like our Standback can? We included this feature specifically for the MazdaSPEED vehicles and the CX7.

We are coming out with an updated version of the Standback, but we're still months away. The next generation isn't "a better fit" for any of the vehicles, rather, it will just have some updated features that our current Standback does not. It will be able to control the throttle, it will have a built-in accelerometer, it will feature cam phasing control, direct injector and coil control, and a few more features that I can't disclose yet. Since the current Standback is basically tapped in terms of on-board memory, the next generation Standback will have an entirely new architecture, and will also command a higher MSRP then the current Standback. So whereas this current Standback sells for $640, the next version may sell for over $1000 depending on the capabilities of the final production version. We are also talking about offering a discount to those who would like to upgrade from the 1st-gen to 2nd-gen.

In regards to PnP and throttle control, we will have these options available to both 1st-gen and 2nd-gen controllers. Once we get the requisite connectors we'll be offering a PnP 1st-gen Standback, and once the second-gen is completed, that too will have a wire-in or PnP option attached to it. Our electrical engineer is currently working to control the throttle too. The plan is to release a module that will integrate with the current Standback. So if you have a Standback now and want to control the throttle, you will have the option to buy an add-on device that will reign in the throttle for you. I obviously don't have pricing for this feature yet, but once we get closer to production I'll start sharing more details. The next-gen controller will have this option built-in.

So the point is that the current Standback is an incredibly capable tuning device that was developed using the MazdaSPEED platform. The current Standback is easily one of the most capable and advanced engine controllers on the planet, and if you consider how much it costs, you really can't beat it. Air/fuel, boost, and timing control, which could amount to as much as 40whp with a good tune all for $640? How much better could it get? (friday)

I hope that clears up some of the confusion, but if you're still unclear about the capabilities or plans of either controller please don't hesitate to post it up!

[fourthmeal]

THAT was a beautiful post Jordan. I can't wait to have money again.

[laloosh]

wow i didnt realize the throttle control can be added to first version. the whole plug and play thing is always a plus but my main concern for not getting this was the throttle control

[www.cp-e.com]

Thanks a lot guys. I know all of this is very confusing, partially because there are so many options, and we don't yet have much of this information up on our website. We apologize sincerely for that. I think once we have all of this information in a centralized location (ie. our website) it will all make a lot more sense. In the mean time, I'll my best to answer everyone's questions and try to clear up some of the confusion!

(drinks)

[BluMicaR]

Thanks a lot guys. I know all of this is very confusing, partially because there are so many options, and we don't yet have much of this information up on our website. We apologize sincerely for that. I think once we have all of this information in a centralized location (ie. our website) it will all make a lot more sense. In the mean time, I'll my best to answer everyone's questions and try to clear up some of the confusion!

(drinks)

I'm fairly certain my g/f of two years is not going to like CP-E very much at all in a few long months. Seeing as how she'd like a ring and all, and my budget for a ring is around $2500. But yet I NEED to yet purchase a TBE, an IC upgrade, and a nice, new, pnp, gen 2 EMS, all of which will most likely add up to somewhere in the neighborhood of $2500...

:confused:

Which one will I choose?

(lick)








(ricer)

[knowledge007]

Cp-e Ftw!!!

[udontknowjack]

Cp-e Ftw!!!

+1

p.s i dont mind paying over $1000 for the cpe pnp genII standback....becuz i know it will worth every single penny..!!!

[tru-boost]

my thought is this....there is no need for the gen2 standback if you dont plan on doing fuel system mods and go big turbo. the current version gives you all you need to totally max out the stock fuel system with just minor bolt ons.

[laloosh]

my thought is this....there is no need for the gen2 standback if you dont plan on doing fuel system mods and go big turbo. the current version gives you all you need to totally max out the stock fuel system with just minor bolt ons.


i dunno, has some1 tried slicks with this limited 1st gear? if gen two removes the power limits, then im sure you can get a hard launch provided you have enough traction with the gen 2....then again no1 ran slics and for all i know you could but out high 1.6s the way it is right now

[tru-boost]

maybe CP-E can answer this but i am pretty sure the first gen standback can adjust boost in the limited lower gears.

[shucky]

I'm told the Standback and Xede has full control of boost, but the person named "josh" something or another keeps writing he feels some "limiting" in 1st and 2nd gear which I cant understand. The throttle plate can still close if something is wrong, but if "tuned" properly I cant see why there is any limiting after using one of these systems.

[knowledge007]

i dunno, has some1 tried slicks with this limited 1st gear? if gen two removes the power limits, then im sure you can get a hard launch provided you have enough traction with the gen 2....then again no1 ran slics and for all i know you could but out high 1.6s the way it is right now

Just to clarify,

Gen I and II will have total throttle control when and if CP-E beaks the interface of the stock ECU. As of this moment, they cannot get around the limited boost through 1- 4th.

[knowledge007]

I'm told the Standback and Xede has full control of boost, but the person named "josh" something or another keeps writing he feels some "limiting" in 1st and 2nd gear which I cant understand. The throttle plate can still close if something is wrong, but if "tuned" properly I cant see why there is any limiting after using one of these systems.

The throttle plate, from which I understand, has two seperate sensors. And thats what CP-E is trying get around in order to have full control.

[knowledge007]

maybe CP-E can answer this but i am pretty sure the first gen standback can adjust boost in the limited lower gears.

Gears have nothing to do with the adjusting boost. Boost is boost. The standback sets the psi to which you desire. But once you start slipping and or the ECU detects anything it is still going to bring you down to 10 or 12psi through 1 and 3 gears

[shucky]

Xede does not have control of the throttle plate either but will give you full boost in all gears. Care to explain?

[knowledge007]

No I don't as I do not know anything about the Xede. This is a CP-E thread.

[shucky]

You can start "slipping" as in the tires even stock. So what is the difference? If you are allowed to burn the tires (stock) with the traction control disabled what would keep you from doing it with the Standback?

So you can have your tires slip (as you call it) at 10 or 12 psi but not 18 or 20psi? The
ECU does a controlled "burn...??"

[knowledge007]

First off you have two different types of the traction control. So pushing that little button that says "DSC" to the off position is only one of them. I am no expert nor an engineer working for CP-E. Thats what I know and have been told. Hopefully CP-E (Jordan) will be able to comment.

BTW, when and if you do slip, I said that the ECU will BRING YOU DOWN TO 10 or 12psi. Did not say you will not slip at that psi. Thats exactly right, a controled burnout. Safety feature.

[shucky]

Yes, I understand that point of 'pushing the little button' but it doesn't change the fact that you can fry your tires stock. Something here doesn't make sense. CPE ??

[knowledge007]

Well if you think about it you can burn out with any car. So I am not sure what you are getting at...??? Remember, this car does not come from the factory ready for drag racing, autox, or any racing whats so ever. This car is loaded with safety features with this being one of them in order to be a safe and reliable daily driver.

[shucky]

007 your the one who said "once you start slipping and or the ECU detects anything it is still going to bring you down to 10 or 12psi..."

I'm just questioning what YOU wrote. I do not see how the ECU could/would determine how much tire "slippage" (your word) is too much or too little. Burning the tires is burning the tires, are you saying the ECU cares if you burn them at 10 or 12 psi vs. 18 or 20psi? But it allows them to burn none-the-less? All am saying is that I dont understand your comment, that even after installing a Standback you have the ability to set say 18-20psi but if the car senses "slip" it brings you back down to 10 or 12psi.

Waiting for CPE to clarify.


Gears have nothing to do with the adjusting boost. Boost is boost. The standback sets the psi to which you desire. But once you start slipping and or the ECU detects anything it is still going to bring you down to 10 or 12psi through 1 and 3 gears

[knowledge007]

Pretty much. Its all part of the two traction control systems. The standback, correct me if I am wrong CP-E, does not have control over the throttle body as we all know so therefore the standback cannot maintain psi when the ECU kicks in to bring you down in order to maintain control of the vehicle. The throttle body is key.

[desperado-c]

Xede does not have control of the throttle plate either but will give you full boost in all gears. Care to explain?

It may prevent the wastegate from opening to give full boost in all gears, but as somebody pointed out the closing of the throttle plate will reduce the volume of air entering the turbo. So, whether or not boost is lowered, power output will be reduced by x% with any piggyback that doesn't control the throttle plate.

[funkyman]

It may prevent the wastegate from opening to give full boost in all gears, but as somebody pointed out the closing of the throttle plate will reduce the volume of air entering the turbo. So, whether or not boost is lowered, power output will be reduced by x% with any piggyback that doesn't control the throttle plate.



Well hopefully by January we will have a fully stand alone pnp that will controll even our minds LOL(cool)

[tru-boost]

talked to Josh at CP-E. he says you will see incresed boost in the limited gears but still not the full amount you heve programmed the standback to create. that is fine by me...i have enough traction problems !

[shucky]

Thanks for everyones good info. In what gear then will you be able to see full/max boost as set by the Standback w/out ECU intervention?

Tru - how long till your standback arrives from PG? I'm doing it also.

[tru-boost]

i dont know when it will be in. the GB is still in progress. you will see the highest boost in 4-6th. but you will get an increase in 1-3 as well.
cant beat that price from PG !!