CP-E Standback

[knowledge007]

Just wondering if anyone has tuned this car with the above mentioned tuning solution. Would like to see what most of you have been coming up with and what maps work best.

What mods did you tune with and if you would like to submit your maps that would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

[MS3ICA]

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[tru-boost]

what is good for someone else may not be good for you. lots of things come into play with a good tune. mods, temp, elevation, humidity. dont use someone elses map. tke the cat and software to a COMPETANT dyno shop, and let them do their thing. in the end you spend $150 or so, but you have a tune for YOUR car not some other guys.

[ms3guy22]

^150.oo were you getting your tuning done at? your looking at atleast 2-3 hours and if you lucking you'll get 100 bucks a hour

[tru-boost]

most places i've been to are $75/hour, i figure it should not take more than 2 hours. boost, A/F, Timing there is not a whole lot to mess with.
walk in tell the to set the standback at 18 psi.... all they need to do now is adust fuel/timing. nothing to it. honestly i would do it myself .........if i owned a dyno !

[udontknowjack]

most places i've been to are $75/hour, i figure it should not take more than 2 hours. boost, A/F, Timing there is not a whole lot to mess with.
walk in tell the to set the standback at 18 psi.... all they need to do now is adust fuel/timing. nothing to it. honestly i would do it myself .........if i owned a dyno !

newbie question.....i tho the standback come with base map for the ms3 or ms6...why do u still need to tune the a/f and timing??

[BluMicaR]

newbie question.....i tho the standback come with base map for the ms3 or ms6...why do u still need to tune the a/f and timing??

Fairly certain it comes with a number of base maps - right K007?

[SwampAss]

They do come with a base map.

[knowledge007]

Yeah with base, for the most part with one map @ 15psi and the other @ 17psi with boost holding past 6k rpms. Everything else is pretty much stock untill you start changing things on your own.

[udontknowjack]

changing things mean air/fuel timing rite? and the tuner know how to tune it? what more benifit(hp) u can get more outta changing those things??

[knowledge007]

Alot, thats the whole purpose of a tuning solution. I just don't have the time or means to do this with a professional. Here in Miami, the only place I found that tunes wants 225 an hour plus dyno pulls. WTF...

[oskinosmee]

Thats Alot there a place in baltimore that does tuning and 3 pulls for 125 and i thought that was steep

[udontknowjack]

Alot, thats the whole purpose of a tuning solution. I just don't have the time or means to do this with a professional. Here in Miami, the only place I found that tunes wants 225 an hour plus dyno pulls. WTF...

ok...im really confused...never done or talk about ecu tunes to any of my old cars....so i have no clue how it work.....so the cpe standback base map only raise/hold the boost higher?? and thats what make people with the standback right now faster?? the base map isnt alrite lean out our rich pig???

[knowledge007]

Your boost at the moment cuts out at 55 or 58k rpms and also fluctuates like crazy. With the standback as is without changing anything else but boost holds psi through the whole power band all the way to redline.

We already burn rich as hell. But when you get up to 17 and higher psi you might want to go a little leaner in your a/f's...

[tru-boost]

you will actually get more power from adding timing and removing extra fuel, than what you get from the added boost. 2 extra psi is worth maybe 20HP . you can easily get 30 more with fuel /timing adjustments.

[udontknowjack]

my cpe standback will be at my door step tomorrow....gonna need some help installing it....=T

[knowledge007]

Yes you will need help. I would suggest haveing a professional install it unless you know how to solder or crimp using heavy duting crimps.

[tru-boost]

Yes you will need help. I would suggest haveing a professional install it unless you know how to solder or crimp using heavy duting crimps.

is it really that hard ? its just wiring. i was expecting this to like an hour project. i'm sure the instructions tell exactly what to cut and splice/solder, right ? i install radios in cars all the time, so maybe it just sounds easier to me .

[SwampAss]

I have a printed copy of the directions. It's not hard at all. They are very thorough. I even popped off my ECU connectors to see what was what. It tells you exactly what wire and shows detailed photos of it step by step. The biggest hurdle through the whole install is stripping the factor ECU wire and not cutting through it.

[knowledge007]

Its not that hard I just ment that it would be a good idea if you had a friend or somebody to help confirm your work. You know to check or just help period. Anyway, if you guys have any questions please feel free to ask. I have studied these instructions back and front and know them by heart. But it is like Swamp said, its all pretty much in the instructions. Just check your work before you cut and or splice. I bought a wire splicer and cutter to make it easy from radio shack.

[udontknowjack]

ok i got the standback.....im not even gonna mess with it till monday.... i dont want to cut the damn wires and mess it up (i dont know my own strenght)....gonna have my buddy (professional high end stereo shop) do it for me on monday....

i read the instruction....so to tune it to 15 or 17 psi part is after installing the hardware and do it with a laptop right?

[SwampAss]

I think it does that out of the box with no tuning.

[knowledge007]

Yes Jack, the primary map is set to 15psi and the secondary map is set at 17psi. Let me know how where you punch through the firewall and where you mount the switch. As I didn't install the switch because I really don't know where to put it. Maybe your friend will come up with something good. If don't install the switch you will only be able to use and adjust the primary as of course you will not be able to switch to the second.

[dadasracecar]

I used electrical tape and taped my switch very close to the plug. The unit is right below my OBDII port under the dash so it's easy to flip the switch in time of need... like when an unsuspecting 350Z or something pulls up. No cutting and easy to change. Ghetto yes but works perfectly.

[udontknowjack]

can people with the standback take/post some pics? under the hood....where the switch etc....

[borderline]

can people with the standback take/post some pics? under the hood....where the switch etc....

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and does someone can host the scanned instructions somewhere? I just want to learn more on this standback, thanks!

[udontknowjack]

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and does someone can host the scanned instructions somewhere? I just want to learn more on this standback, thanks!

you and i both buddy....

[udontknowjack]

Yes Jack, the primary map is set to 15psi and the secondary map is set at 17psi. Let me know how where you punch through the firewall and where you mount the switch. As I didn't install the switch because I really don't know where to put it. Maybe your friend will come up with something good. If don't install the switch you will only be able to use and adjust the primary as of course you will not be able to switch to the second.

if i install the switch then i can switch between 15psi and 17psi on a fly?

[desperado-c]

.... Let me know how where you punch through the firewall and where you mount the switch. As I didn't install the switch because I really don't know where to put it. Maybe your friend will come up with something good. ....

I ran my boost gauge wire through the hole where the hood release goes. A little tricky to get it through, but a coat hanger worked well enough. Definitely where I'll run the EMS switch wire through when I get to that point.

[tru-boost]

i dont see a need for all this, maybe its me. just run the 17 psi map all the time. if you dont want to go fast at the moment here is the trick..... lift up your foot !!

[Kosh]

i dont see a need for all this, maybe its me. just run the 17 psi map all the time. if you dont want to go fast at the moment here is the trick..... lift up your foot !!

LOL. Take his word for it. It really works!

[knowledge007]

if i install the switch then i can switch between 15psi and 17psi on a fly?

Yes!!! On the fly switching. Anyway, the EMS for the MS3 is in the engine bay for those of you that don't know.

[Jesse MS3GT]

Im just going to wait for the plug n play version lol

[udontknowjack]

i dont see a need for all this, maybe its me. just run the 17 psi map all the time. if you dont want to go fast at the moment here is the trick..... lift up your foot !!

is it safe?? i set my to 17psi and i have a boost gauge...it spike at 25psi and holdin around 18psi....and also the led is flashin fast red...15psi is slow flashin green....(thought)

[udontknowjack]

i had my installed today....its freaken crazy....how much harder this car pull now is off the hook..!!! knowledge007...i have the switch and the led installed next to the dsc button...is made for a boost control...=) im planning to get a dyno asap....

cpe FTW....!!!

[palerider]

is it safe?? i set my to 17psi and i have a boost gauge...it spike at 25psi and holdin around 18psi....and also the led is flashin fast red...15psi is slow flashin green....(thought)

Boost is spiking at 25psi? and holding 18psi? I really want to believe that your boost guage is not reading right because that is troubling. I dont know enough about boost spike to know how bad this is.

Will someone please enlighten.

I was going to order EMS this week. Im still leaning toward Xede.... dont ask me why. I guess just cause its been the one I thought would have PNP first. Oh well.

[knowledge007]

Jack, sweet you love it. Where is your boost gauge mounted to to receive pressure? You just imagine mine with the 3" TBE and CAI.

By the way, would you be able to take a picture of how you went throught the firewall and where and where the switch is by the DSC board?

[borderline]

Just heard something strange: Hold button DSC while starting the engine, after it is started, release it and then it is supposed that we no longer have fuel cut!!

someone already tried this??

[mistermatt]

Just heard something strange: Hold button DSC while starting the engine, after it is started, release it and then it is supposed that we no longer have fuel cut!!

someone already tried this??

ya, words out on that 1 but its to disable traction control

[Kosh]

i had my installed today....its freaken crazy....how much harder this car pull now is off the hook..!!! knowledge007...i have the switch and the led installed next to the dsc button...is made for a boost control...=) im planning to get a dyno asap....

cpe FTW....!!!

How did you get the covers off next to the dsc switch/dimmer switch? I tried for about an hour when hooking up my boost gauge to get those out so I could send the power to the gauge off the dimmer switch so I could adjust brightness. Tried jamming a screwdriver between and pushing from the back but ended up giving up.

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[CX-7owner]

You have to take off the whole panel(go at the bottom with a flat head), and pop the switch place holders out from the back, they are held in with tabs and if you pull forward they will break, if you don't hold them down, to push them through.

[Kosh]

ehh too much work.

Can you set up launch control with the cpe standback?

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

i think launch control would be more of a standalone thing..??yes or no

[Kosh]

Rev limiter and clutch position sensor seem like they could be part of the cpe standback. That is all controled by the stock ecu right?

If anyone knows of another way to get launch control in the ms3 please help me out :)

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

the cp-e is a standback, but i suppose its possible. i just don't know if it can adjust the rev limiter..it can't adjust speed limiter

[Kosh]

oop, i was thinking standback and wrote standalone :(

/stands in corner

[blacksheepms3]

so is there a harness out for cpe stand back now? Would the software work with apple laptop?

[CX-7owner]

It's coming out in December, and I think its PC only, I have Bootcamp so Its totally fine.

[northmiler89]

so is there a harness out for cpe stand back now? Would the software work with apple laptop?

what would the harness be for? it already has wires that have to be crimped and sodered?

[CX-7owner]

Yeah, the harness is so you don't have to do that, making dealer trips easy, so they don't know you've messed with the ECU, and makes installation easy.

[SwampAss]

They have the plugs (as the MS6 PNP is out)

They are still reverse engineering the MS3 factory ECM plugs I believe.

[blacksheepms3]

coolbeans, soon enough it'll be pnp for ms3. I wish there's three settings u can switch on the fly. 1 high 1 mid and 1 for idiots like valet and service attendants who dont take care of driving ur car cause it's not theirs. hehehe, but i guess two is enough, you can always assign ur primary and secondary using a computer right? You can have as many maps as u'd like right?

[knowledge007]

No, only two can be saved and any given time.

[bova80]

not if you have a computer you can save as many as you want like he stated. you can only have 2 on the unit itself but as many on the computer to flash when ever its hooked up.

[knowledge007]

Oh yes, im sorry I thought you were referring to the unit itself.

[AutoXRacer]

So any one have dynos with the CPE...? Stock? CAI? And full modded beast (CAI, TBE, etc...)?

Who is CPE made by...? I'm only familiar with Xede since thats the one I'm going with...

[SwampAss]

CPE is made by CPE. http://www.cp-e.com/

[AutoXRacer]

CPE is made by CPE. http://www.cp-e.com/

Doh!!!(hand)

Thanks...

[ms3guy22]

now thats funny

[knowledge007]

Yes very funny...