help! how to blow motor? warranty [Archive]

Mr.Ames

09-11-2007, 02:23 AM

my warranty company is trying to screw me out of a new motor cuz they dont want to cover rings and seals. how can i blow my motor without wrecking anything else? then they HAVE to replace it...
i've heard of people throwing rods from revving too high for too long. wut if i fill a cylinder with oil and fire it up, would that bust those tiny little rods? i need some ideas. thanks

redpr5

09-11-2007, 02:26 AM

stay at rev limiter for like 5min or you could get a friend to find a really big turbo and run like 30 pounds to your motor lol (that would actually be amusing)

clicknext

09-11-2007, 02:27 AM

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carter1551

09-11-2007, 02:50 AM

lets hope your dealer doesnt come upon this or you could be in some trouble if you try to cash in

Mr.Ames

09-11-2007, 02:51 AM

its a 3rd party warranty. nothing to do with mazda canada and if they didnt try to fuck me in the first place, they wouldnt have to worry about it. i had my tranny rebuilt and as soon as i got it back it started popping out of 5th gear and they are telling me they wont cover it because they could have put a used tranny in instead of rebuilding mine

Nomad

09-11-2007, 02:55 AM

Why not just go on a road trip without any oil? Keep the old oil and refill it once the engine craps out.

No rods on this engine. Bouncing off the rev limiter will only cause an overheating situation if it won't cool well.

You could try to "money shift" it. Get near redline in 3rd, then downshift to 2nd. Preferrably going downhill. That's the best way to overrev the engine. It'll be a wild ride though.

A big shotof nitrous would do some nice damage too. Not sure if it'd be too obvious though.

carter1551

09-11-2007, 02:56 AM

rev limiter

carter1551

09-11-2007, 02:57 AM

Why not just go on a road trip without any oil? Keep the old oil and refill it once the engine craps out.

better yet get the oil changed by a mazda dealership, and then drain it the next day, then you have proof so they cant try to tell you that you didnt do your maintanence

Mr.Ames

09-11-2007, 03:01 AM

i have all my service records from mazda from the day i bought the car used from a chrysler dealer. warranty does not cover oil starvation. breakdown however, it does

Mr.Ames

09-11-2007, 03:25 AM

so rev the crap out of it til something break? no opinions on trying to "hydro-lock" it by pouring oil in a cylinder? cuz my valve stem seals DO leak quite a bit

TheMAN

09-11-2007, 03:30 AM

this is a good example of why you NEVER EVER buy that aftermarket warranty bullshit

Mr.Ames

09-11-2007, 03:41 AM

well it was either that or no warranty at all, and it has already pair for itself. i had some other things replaced while it was in, like a/c control ($400) motor mount ($200), 3rd and 4th gears/shift fork... plus labour. that still doesnt excuse them for not standing behind the contract they hold with me

Foolish

09-11-2007, 04:13 AM

Rather than sabotaging your car and possibly having that claim denied, too, you may want to contact a lawyer to find out if the warranty company is actually in breach of the contract.

Chances are, there's some tiny little print somewhere that you haven't read that makes their inaction perfectly legal, even if it is total bullshit from a rational, moral, stand-by-your-product point of view.

Right now, if they're refusing you service, you're basically just out the cost of the warranty you paid for, and even that cost you've apparently already recouped with previous work. If you blow up your car and they shoot you down on covering it, you're also out a car, until you can pay for a motor and the fix, yourself. The lawyer will cost you less.

Besides,

my warranty company is trying to screw me out of a new motor cuz they dont want to cover rings and seals. how can i blow my motor without wrecking anything else? then they HAVE to replace it...Why exactly do you think they owe you a new motor if it's not yet blown? I'm a bit confused.

jeg0024

09-11-2007, 04:36 AM

How to: Close a thread.

I wish I could.

StealthWyvern

09-11-2007, 04:37 AM

Rather than sabotaging your car and possibly having that claim denied, too, you may want to contact a lawyer to find out if the warranty company is actually in breach of the contract.

Chances are, there's some tiny little print somewhere that you haven't read that makes their inaction perfectly legal, even if it is total bullshit from a rational, moral, stand-by-your-product point of view.

Right now, if they're refusing you service, you're basically just out the cost of the warranty you paid for, and even that cost you've apparently already recouped with previous work. If you blow up your car and they shoot you down on covering it, you're also out a car, until you can pay for a motor and the fix, yourself. The lawyer will cost you less.

Besides,
Why exactly do you think they owe you a new motor if it's not yet blown? I'm a bit confused.

Well said

carter1551

09-11-2007, 04:38 AM

its gonna suck if you run the eff out of your car and still dont manage to blow anything, think of all that extra wear and tear you put on it and no new engine

Foolish

09-11-2007, 04:38 AM

Well said

Thank you. I try not to live up to my screen name! ;)

StealthWyvern

09-11-2007, 04:41 AM

Thank you. I try not to live up to my screen name! ;)

yeah I seen your screen name was the last person to post and I had to chuckle a little.

jeg0024

09-11-2007, 04:43 AM

Thank you. I try not to live up to my screen name! ;)

No but they sure did.

JoshP5

09-11-2007, 08:29 AM

VTCS sabotage?

Seriously, this is not the correct way to go about the problem. Check the warranty's fine print--does it exclude rings and seals for some reason?

I had a buddy who fought his warranty company for a new engine. After going back and forth a couple times, he won. They replaced the engine. :)

Nomad

09-11-2007, 11:01 AM

Wow Foolish, way to throw a damper on a fun thread. Why do I care what he does to the engine? ;)
I wanted to hear how he blew a rod through the block or turned the engine into a molten lump of aluminum...

He he he. Sounds like since they clearly paid for the other repairs, and your car is working now, they don't owe you anything. You can't get a warranty to repair or replace something that is not yet broken.

"Hey, it seems like my engine is getting old, I'm sure something's going to break soon, it's not what it used to be... can I have a new one?"... "No."

Foolish

09-11-2007, 11:05 AM

Wow Foolish, way to throw a damper on a fun thread.

Oh, please, like anyone listens to my advice!

Really, I was just trying to find out WTF he was thinking entitles him to a new motor, and just maybe (if he listened to me) save the dude a lot of money and trouble. Anyway, it's not my car, so like you say, what do I care if he blows it up?

Mr.Ames

09-11-2007, 01:05 PM

the car burns 1L of oil every 300km or so from a leaky head. in my contract it says that ALL internal parts of the engine are covered. its backfiring and wont stay running unless i keep it revved and ride the clutch. the car is not driveable. I phoned the finance manager from the dealership i bought it at and he is going to get the warranty rep to take care of it for me.

Nomad

09-11-2007, 01:58 PM

I bet they'll love the fact you removed VTCS and have other mods.

How is the coolant? Is the oil leaking out onto the ground or is it burning up?
IS the check engine light on? Are you throwing codes? Sounds like maybe a vacuum leak and an oil leak. Could be the piston rings and oil blowby.

Mr.Ames

09-11-2007, 02:22 PM

coolant is clean and is not disappearing. oil is leaking out of cylinder head into cylinders and is being burned.no external leaks. no check engine light. no codes. no vacuum leak. 175psi across all cylinders. no blow by.

they didnt say anything about my short shifter or shifter bushings when my tranny was rebuilt. the fineprint on my warranty only says aftermarket parts are not covered. doesnt say anything about voiding the warranty. if they say anything about the butterflies, it had loose screws and was removed to prevent damage to my engine

Nomad

09-11-2007, 02:46 PM

So you basically need a headgasket and you are all set then.
The rings should be good, bearings should be fine, cooling is fine. Sounds like an oil passage leaking into the cylinder at a bad headgasket.

I don't know why you don't just pull the head and resurface it, then get a new gasket set and you are probably good to go.

Or, it could be the valve guides are shot but that's a long shot.

Look for a new head.

Mr.Ames

09-11-2007, 03:04 PM

we'll see wut the rep says, but im sure the head gasket is fine. all of the other mechanics i took it to say valve stem seals, but when i took it to the mazda dealer to have the work done, they said piston rings, even though i have 175psi on all cylinders. they also told me that my flywheel is not warped and the clutch chatter is from a worn out clutch. BS

gus5

09-11-2007, 03:11 PM

The clutch chatter could be from a worn out clutch.

And the oil control rings are seperate from the compression rings. So it could be those rings are worn out. Though it wouldn't make sense as to why. Unless the car has a ton of miles on it or was beaten on.

we'll see wut the rep says, but im sure the head gasket is fine. all of the other mechanics i took it to say valve stem seals, but when i took it to the mazda dealer to have the work done, they said piston rings, even though i have 175psi on all cylinders. they also told me that my flywheel is not warped and the clutch chatter is from a worn out clutch. BS

TX Speed 6

09-11-2007, 03:12 PM

Why stop at the motor? Just drive it into a pond and report it stolen, then wait for a nice insurance check. Just take the fraud up one step (rockon) ha ha, j/j

Mr.Ames

09-12-2007, 12:51 AM

why dont YOU drive your car into a pond and stay there? i never said i wanted to get rid of my car, i just want the damn thing fixed! and its not fraud if it really is broken, but they are not honoring their warranty which i paid them for. so stfu or gtfo

Mr.Ames

09-12-2007, 12:59 AM

The clutch chatter could be from a worn out clutch.

And the oil control rings are seperate from the compression rings. So it could be those rings are worn out. Though it wouldn't make sense as to why. Unless the car has a ton of miles on it or was beaten on.

i showed the dealer the TSB about the flywheels warping and causing clutch chatter. they said because its not under mazda's warranty anymore that they would not fix it. the flywheel is covered on my extended warranty but they said that i would have to pay them to take it apart to see, so i told them to get bent. on the work order however, it says the clutch is worn out and they charged the warranty company for reassembly but didnt fix anything... kinda shady if u ask me

wouldnt the oil control rings and the compression rings have equal wear? so if there was blow-by or oil getting past, it would affect the compression too. you are right, it doesnt make sense. the car has 125,000km on it, serviced regularly, i shift usually at 4500rpm at the most, and never dump the clutch. the clutch has never slipped so thats why i said BS to it being worn out. i had a 91 323 with 220,000km on it and the clutch was just starting to slip then

Speed_Racer

09-12-2007, 01:15 AM

holly hell, i thought i read the thread topic wrong.

is this a 1st for the mazda forums or what?

Nomad

09-12-2007, 01:21 AM

They don't have to do anything about TSBs, those just tell them what it could possibly be as a diagnostic help. They are not obligated to replace anything really. They'll say it is just a worn out clutch friction disk which is an expendible item like the brake pads.

It's got to come down to putting legal pressure on the warranty company. Find a different dealer or someone who will charge the whole thing to the warranty company who can then dispute it and lose.

Good luck.