Sometimes...I just love my MS3...

[camrycev6]

...but isn't that why you buy a car?

Today I drove it during 92 degree weather for a few simple errands, and I thought I love this car because:

1) The AC blows cold.
2) The interior is nice.
3) The stock stereo sounds good.
4) While I can't call it a powerful car, it sure is fun to drive -- peppy I say.
5) Looks good without looking like a rice mobile.
6) Practical...Practical...Practical!

Just had to share some of my love for the car!

[boostdog]

Glad you like it! getting new cars are always fun!

[Antonio DiMarco]

...but isn't that why you buy a car?

Today I drove it during 92 degree weather for a few simple errands, and I thought I love this car because:

1) The AC blows cold.
2) The interior is nice.
3) The stock stereo sounds good.
4) While I can't call it a powerful car, it sure is fun to drive -- peppy I say.
5) Looks good without looking like a rice mobile.
6) Practical...Practical...Practical!

Just had to share some of my love for the car!

I need some perspective :-)

What are you comparing it to when you make the statment "While I can't call it a powerful car, it sure is fun to drive -- peppy I say."

That said it's nice to see someone who reflects on the good opposed to the "not so good". Noting in life is perfect. :-)

[TonyBSRT]

I know what you mean. You'll know you truly love a car after you have had it for a couple of years and still look back as you walk into a store. I just waxed my SRT4 today and found myself not wanting to leave it!

[camrycev6]

I need some perspective :-)

What are you comparing it to when you make the statment "While I can't call it a powerful car, it sure is fun to drive -- peppy I say."

That said it's nice to see someone who reflects on the good opposed to the "not so good". Noting in life is perfect. :-)

I drove a supercharged G35 coupe for a couple years...that car was powerful... Like I said, don't get me wrong, the MS3 is peppy and fun to drive, but after 3rd gear, it really isn't that impressive. Still love the car and you really can't compare my old car and my new because of the price, but it still doesn't change the reality of the situation. I hope you get my meaning.

[TonyBSRT]

^^^S/C G FTMFW!!!

How could you ever give that up?

It's be like me buying a Civic!

[Antonio DiMarco]

I know what you mean. You'll know you truly love a car after you have had it for a couple of years and still look back as you walk into a store. I just waxed my SRT4 today and found myself not wanting to leave it!

Yeah I'm like that with My 2004 Mazda 3 4dr S and my wife's Mazda 5. Mazda really did a nice job creating some very sexy-looking cars. Like you I often look back at my car and am amazed at how good looking it is. It's the type of thing that makes getting the MS3 bittersweet. I love my Mz3 4dr and won't be happy to see it go. I can only hope I have the same reaction with the MS3. But I'm a bit scared.

It wasn't like this with any of my other 6 cars. What's wrong with me! I'm such a sally! :-)

[Antonio DiMarco]

I drove a supercharged G35 coupe for a couple years...that car was powerful... Like I said, don't get me wrong, the MS3 is peppy and fun to drive, but after 3rd gear, it really isn't that impressive. Still love the car and you really can't compare my old car and my new because of the price, but it still doesn't change the reality of the situation. I hope you get my meaning.

I guess it's all relative. The MS3 will be the fastest car I've ever owned.

[CTGrey02]

I guess it's all relative. The MS3 will be the fastest car I've ever owned.

You got many more years ahead of ya to drive things faster. Problem is it gets a lot more expensive once you hit 12's and below.

[CantCMe]

I drove a supercharged G35 coupe for a couple years...that car was powerful... Like I said, don't get me wrong, the MS3 is peppy and fun to drive, but after 3rd gear, it really isn't that impressive. Still love the car and you really can't compare my old car and my new because of the price, but it still doesn't change the reality of the situation. I hope you get my meaning.

Now that sounds like a nice ride (supercharged G35). I remember back in the day I thought the fastest thing on the planet was my dad's '78 Z28, but nowadays I guess fast is determined by what you're used to. I had a Mustang that could run low 12's in the quarter and now my daily driver is a Pro ES, so I'm in need for WAAAYYY more power. The MS3 would be a nice speed upgrade for me right about now.

[SwampAss]

it is relative. The MS3 is the fastest/quickest car I've ever owned. A fair number of my friends have cars that are really fast. 10-11 second street cars. It's a whole 'nother world out there. When you stomp the gas in one of those and the passenger has never experienced something with that much power, it's usually followed by a slew of expletives about how fast that car is. My MS3 doesn't get the same response. :)

[camrycev6]

Exactly Swampass...I agree totally. TonyBSRT... the reason I gave up the G35 was that it was completely impractical. I couldn't drive it hard in cold weather, rain, snow, etc. It was basically a car that was good 7 months of the year. It was a little hard to give up, but I realized there was more to a car than just pure power. Of course if you are old / rich enough to own 2 or 3 cars, no problem...but I was neither at the time.

Oh...and she ran in the mid 12s.... and I could still break the back end loose going in a straight line in 4th gear if I hit it too hard. Exciting but still scary.

In all, my MS3 is the perfect balance of power, fun, finance, and practicality. In so many ways it is actually superior to my G35.

[shamrock]

I drove a supercharged G35 coupe for a couple years...that car was powerful... Like I said, don't get me wrong, the MS3 is peppy and fun to drive, but after 3rd gear, it really isn't that impressive. Still love the car and you really can't compare my old car and my new because of the price, but it still doesn't change the reality of the situation. I hope you get my meaning.

(uhm)

Isn't 3rd gear where the MS3 gets faster, because of more boost.
Gears 1-2-10psi and 3-6=14psi. I dont get your meaning at all

[CantCMe]

Exactly Swampass...I agree totally. TonyBSRT... the reason I gave up the G35 was that it was completely impractical. I couldn't drive it hard in cold weather, rain, snow, etc. It was basically a car that was good 7 months of the year. It was a little hard to give up, but I realized there was more to a car than just pure power. Of course if you are old / rich enough to own 2 or 3 cars, no problem...but I was neither at the time.

Oh...and she ran in the mid 11s.... and I could still break the back end loose going in a straight line in 4th gear if I hit it too hard. Exciting but still scary.

In all, my MS3 is the perfect balance of power, fun, finance, and practicality. In so many ways it is actually superior to my G35.

I think I'm gonna talk my cousin in getting a surpercharger kit for his G35...but I feel ya. My 'Stangs were NO fun driving in the rain or snow...I didn't have the money to have 2-3 cars so had to make due with what I had. But I do miss having all that power at my disposal.

[andrew.savage]

I think he is saying after third gear. Third gear is the power gear and after that he feels that it is not as impressive.

[SwampAss]

He's saying that after 3rd gear in the MS3 compared to after 3rd gear in his SC G35, its not that impressive. I can only speak from a 350Z's perspective as I have a good friend with one that's twin turbo'd. His old car gets faster the faster it goes. 55-110mph in the MS3 is nice, but 55-110 in a 400+hp car is fuckin silly.

[funkyman]

Don`t worry with an upcoming Garret Gt30r Turbo upgrade kit ,with all supporting mods, the SC G35 coupe won`t stand a chance.WE will have 400hp under the hood except that our cars weigh less:-)The stock MS3 has been reported to already do a 0-60 5.4/14sec qmile flat with 263hp only,so with 390hp&390lbs torque+ we are talking stg1-2 E46 M3&G35 stg1-2 turbo times.It`s all a matter of time.

[TonyBSRT]

^^^

YEah, all a matter of time before it goes BOOM!

J/K

[camrycev6]

He's saying that after 3rd gear in the MS3 compared to after 3rd gear in his SC G35, its not that impressive. I can only speak from a 350Z's perspective as I have a good friend with one that's twin turbo'd. His old car gets faster the faster it goes. 55-110mph in the MS3 is nice, but 55-110 in a 400+hp car is fuckin silly.

Right again swampass...exactly what I was saying. 4th and up in the MS3 are uninspiring.

[MS3ICA]

...but isn't that why you buy a car?

Today I drove it during 92 degree weather for a few simple errands, and I thought I love this car because:

1) The AC blows cold.
2) The interior is nice.
3) The stock stereo sounds good.
4) While I can't call it a powerful car, it sure is fun to drive -- peppy I say.
5) Looks good without looking like a rice mobile.
6) Practical...Practical...Practical!

Just had to share some of my love for the car!

"can't call it a powerful car?", are you didy? the car has 235 wheel hp, 250 wheel tq, what is powerful to you 5-600 hp?

[camrycev6]

Don`t worry with an upcoming Garret Gt30r Turbo upgrade kit ,with all supporting mods, the SC G35 coupe won`t stand a chance.WE will have 400hp under the hood except that our cars weigh less:-)The stock MS3 has been reported to already do a 0-60 5.4/14sec qmile flat with 263hp only,so with 390hp&390lbs torque+ we are talking stg1-2 E46 M3&G35 stg1-2 turbo times.It`s all a matter of time.

Well...maybe from a roll... but not from a dig. My G35 was making 366HP at the wheels which with a 15% loss, comes to 430 HP under the hood. You would need a perfect launch in a FWD car.

[TonyBSRT]

It's not powerful when you're used to a S/C'd G35! Now, if you're coming from a Civic, then yes, it's powerful.

[camrycev6]

"can't call it a powerful car?", are you didy? the car has 235 wheel hp, 250 wheel tq, what is powerful to you 5-600 hp?

No...I don't consider that powerful. Good, peppy, fun....yes. When a car pulls hard in 5/6 gears...that feels / is powerful. And unless you are driving a very lightweight car, you need 300+HP / 300+ tq (wheels) to accomplish that in my opinion. Go drive a vette, a mustang cobra, or anything making 350+ under the hood and see what I mean.

[I vtec, do you?]

I agree with most of everything you said except the 'not powerful' part. For the price, it's substantially powerful. Even if it was 10k more, it'd still be powerful imo. 260ish horsepower and 280ish ft-lbs of torque on a 4-cyl is quite powerful.. I guess you have to look at it relative to what it is, that being a 4-cylinder econo-engine.

[SwampAss]

Well...maybe from a roll... but not from a dig. My G35 was making 366HP at the wheels which with a 15% loss, comes to 430 HP under the hood. You would need a perfect launch in a FWD car.



Heh...my buddy's Z makes almost the exact hp @ 7psi. Low 370s.

[camrycev6]

I agree with most of everything you said except the 'not powerful' part. For the price, it's substantially powerful. Even if it was 10k more, it'd still be powerful imo. 260ish horsepower and 280ish ft-lbs of torque on a 4-cyl is quite powerful.. I guess you have to look at it relative to what it is, that being a 4-cylinder econo-engine.

When I was referring to the being powerful part early on in this post, I already qualified it against the price. I am speaking only of pure performance here. I stand by my statement that the MS3 is very close to powerful, but still is not a powerful car --- at any price, with any number of cylinders. It is at least 60-70 HP short of making the "powerful" grade.

[camrycev6]

Heh...my buddy's Z makes almost the exact hp @ 7psi. Low 370s.

Swampass, not surprised.... I was running 7 psi with the Procharger SC system. Since the Z and the G35 share the exact same engine, it would make perfect sense...especially if you consider the Z made a little more power over the G.

[chriscecc914]

Well...maybe from a roll... but not from a dig. My G35 was making 366HP at the wheels which with a 15% loss, comes to 430 HP under the hood. You would need a perfect launch in a FWD car.

366rwhp, 3000+lbs weight, mid 11's? im not to sure about that one. Unless you are a pro drag driver.

[TonyBSRT]

^^Why is that hard to believe? There are FWD SRT4's with that much WHP running 11's.

[camrycev6]

366rwhp, 3000+lbs weight, mid 11's? im not to sure about that one. Unless you are a pro drag driver.

Not a pro race driver...my buddy races at the track all the time (God knows he has modded every car he has ever owned!), so I went with him and let him do it. 11.6 was his best time... or so I thought... I just called him, because like I said he is the pro at that stuff, not me...well Whoops... he ran a 12.6, not a 11.6... Sorry about that. I thought I remembered correctly, so I had to go back and ask! I edited my early post to change it to mid 12s...I don't want to BS here.

[stevekt]

The Speed 3 is a powerful car.

[flipstylex]

naaaa.... really >>>>??? !!!!!

[mcb]

nope he's joking.... It's the worse car ever made (poke)


cant even stand to a honda fit

(peep)

[camrycev6]

The Speed 3 is a powerful car.

I love the MS3, but we will have to agree to disagree on that one. I can't call the MS3 powerful.

[MS3ICA]

I love the MS3, but we will have to agree to disagree on that one. I can't call the MS3 powerful.

in your sig it sais 257whp and 279wtq, to you that is not powerful but i must say if a vote was taken you would be the minority....

[SwampAss]

Class-wise, it's very powerful.

Overall, not so much.

[MS3ICA]

what do you consider "overall". put it this way its much more powerful then most cars on the road....

[camrycev6]

Class-wise, it's very powerful.

Overall, not so much.

Once again, SwampAss, I agree completely. In the respective class it is powerful, but as I am sure you are already aware, I was speaking in general. Without using any qualifiers, I cannot call the MS3 powerful.

[SwampAss]

what do you consider "overall". put it this way its much more powerful then most cars on the road....


It's faster than many stock cars on the road. We all know most stock cars (barring exotics) aren't that fast. Again, in the grand scheme of things.

My friend Bill's 600 rwhp (on motor) 789 on Nitrous) 1986 Mustang = fast.
My friend Rick's 380 rwhp Greddy Twin T 350Z = fast
My friend Sean's 420 AWHP Audi TT with a built 2.0 and Dahlback Turbo = fast
Swampy's 290ish MS3 (crank!) = sucking wind.

[MS3ICA]

right in the grand scheme of things its a powerful car :)

[Antonio DiMarco]

It's faster than many stock cars on the road. We all know most stock cars (barring exotics) aren't that fast. Again, in the grand scheme of things.

My friend Bill's 600 rwhp (on motor) 789 on Nitrous) 1986 Mustang = fast.
My friend Rick's 380 rwhp Greddy Twin T 350Z = fast
My friend Sean's 420 AWHP Audi TT with a built 2.0 and Dahlback Turbo = fast
Swampy's 290ish MS3 (crank!) = sucking wind.

By the sound of it you would be happiest in a rocket sled (cool)

[SwampAss]

I'll make due...

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/122/285116855_5ff1e8b0a4.jpg

[Antonio DiMarco]

I'll make due...

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/122/285116855_5ff1e8b0a4.jpg

So now were comparing the the speed 3 to super bikes? (wow)

[SwampAss]

heh no. If I need my speed fix, I go for 2 wheels.

BTW, my buddy's mustang is a good run for me @ 80mph. THAT's SCARY. (wow)

[shamrock]

It's faster than many stock cars on the road. We all know most stock cars (barring exotics) aren't that fast. Again, in the grand scheme of things.

My friend Bill's 600 rwhp (on motor) 789 on Nitrous) 1986 Mustang = fast.
My friend Rick's 380 rwhp Greddy Twin T 350Z = fast
My friend Sean's 420 AWHP Audi TT with a built 2.0 and Dahlback Turbo = fast
Swampy's 290ish MS3 (crank!) = sucking wind.

Yea, but all those cars you mentioned are highly modified cars. The MS3 has what a CAI and TBE. You could probubly get a MS3 up to 450hp as well with correct mods. And in the Grand scheme of things I would like to see a MS3 stock, run aginst all these cars STOCK and we could see what happened. So you could say that the MS3 out of the box is FAST(drive2)

[MS3ICA]

Yea, but all those cars you mentioned are highly modified cars. The MS3 has what a CAI and TBE. You could probubly get a MS3 up to 450hp as well with correct mods. And in the Grand scheme of things I would like to see a MS3 stock, run aginst all these cars STOCK and we could see what happened. So you could say that the MS3 out of the box is FAST(drive2)

exaclty

[BSTD3]

exaclty

I agree MS3ICA, the Speed3 is fast...

[SwampAss]

Yea, but all those cars you mentioned are highly modified cars. The MS3 has what a CAI and TBE. You could probubly get a MS3 up to 450hp as well with correct mods. And in the Grand scheme of things I would like to see a MS3 stock, run aginst all these cars STOCK and we could see what happened. So you could say that the MS3 out of the box is FAST(drive2)


correct. I said "in the grand scheme of things". None of us who are regular posters have a heavily modified MS3, so that point is moot.

Current argument:

The MS3 is fast (currently, with only bolt ons because frankly, that's all that is available)
The MS3 is not fast considering the masses of street legal, or quasi street legal cars out there that ARE fast.

13 second quarters are good.

11 second quarters are crazy in comparison.

You'd have to experience the power of each to know how great that difference is.

[shamrock]

correct. I said "in the grand scheme of things". None of us who are regular posters have a heavily modified MS3, so that point is moot.

Current argument:

The MS3 is fast (currently, with only bolt ons because frankly, that's all that is available)
The MS3 is not fast considering the masses of street legal, or quasi street legal cars out there that ARE fast.

13 second quarters are good.

11 second quarters are crazy in comparison.

You'd have to experience the power of each to know how great that difference is.

Well I have experienced power my friend. I have rode in a 2000 Cobra R.
Damn that was a fast car. Then a 03/04 Cobra "terminator" and that thing was bad ass. So I know what fast car feel like. I would say that the MS3 is a well balanced machine though. Good power, handling and a nice interior. A car you can take to the strip on the weekends and have fun, then drive it to work on monday and it will still put a smile on your face.(rockon)

[ragindark]

It's faster than many stock cars on the road. We all know most stock cars (barring exotics) aren't that fast. Again, in the grand scheme of things.

My friend Bill's 600 rwhp (on motor) 789 on Nitrous) 1986 Mustang = fast.
My friend Rick's 380 rwhp Greddy Twin T 350Z = fast
My friend Sean's 420 AWHP Audi TT with a built 2.0 and Dahlback Turbo = fast
Swampy's 290ish MS3 (crank!) = sucking wind.

It's nice to know that the stock Mazdaspeed 3 is faster than all of those cars stock.

Stock Mustang from around that year:

1985 Ford Mustang GT 6.4 14.9 (C&D, Jan. 85)
1987 Ford Mustang GT 6.4 14.4 (Automobile, April 87)


Stock 350Z:

2003 Nissan 350z 5.4 14.1
2004 Nissan 350z Roadster 5.7 14.3
2005 Nissan 350Z 35th Anniversary Edition 6 Speed 5.8 14.3 (C&D Apr '05)


Stock Audi TT:

2000 Audi TT Quattro Roadster 6.2 14.7


Stock Mazdaspeed 3:

2007 Mazdaspeed 3 GT 5.4 14.0

[camrycev6]

Actually, Feb 07 C&D reports the following for the MS3:

0-to-60-mph time: 5.8 sec
Quarter-mile time: 14.4 sec @ 99 mph

So I guess you would call a 2007 Camry V6 a "powerful car" too? You would have to by your standards:

0-to-60-mph time: 5.8 sec
Quarter-mile time: 14.3 sec @ 99 mph

Or how about a stock, plain vanilla 2007 WRX (No STI!):

0-to-60-mph time: 5.6 sec
Quarter-mile time: 14.3 sec @ 96 mph

Oh and while we are at it...let's compare current cars with current cars:

2007 Nissan 350Z
0-to-60-mph time: 5.2 sec
Quarter-mile time: 13.7 sec @ 104 mph

2007 Ford Mustand GT
0-to-60-mph time: 5.1 sec
Quarter-mile time: 13.8 sec @ 103 mph

2007 Subaru Legacy 2.5GT
0-to-60-mph time: 5.3 sec
Quarter-mile time: 14.1 sec @ 97 mph

So...let me say it for the forth time. The MS3 is a great all around car. It has nice conservative looks. It is practical. It is offered at a great price. It is fun to drive, thanks mostly to it's above average engine. I love my MS3, but again, it is not a powerful car. If I considered it a powerful car, that would mean every V8, 80% of the V6s, and 25% of the I4s would have to be considered powerful! My standards for "powerful" are just higher than yours. No insult to the MS3 is being made here. Like I said, I love the car, but unless she starts making 350+ HP, 4th gear and up will never be that exciting for me.

[ecniemann]

WTF! What is a cumry doing in that list?! I'm OK with a V8 Mustang beating the Speed3, but a Camry!!

[camrycev6]

The 2007 V6 Camry is faster than the MS3 according to C&D... just something to consider.

[rodney]

Actually, Feb 07 C&D reports the following for the MS3:

0-to-60-mph time: 5.8 sec
Quarter-mile time: 14.4 sec @ 99 mph

So I guess you would call a 2007 Camry V6 a "powerful car" too? You would have to by your standards:

0-to-60-mph time: 5.8 sec
Quarter-mile time: 14.3 sec @ 99 mph

Or how about a stock, plain vanilla 2007 WRX (No STI!):

0-to-60-mph time: 5.6 sec
Quarter-mile time: 14.3 sec @ 96 mph

Oh and while we are at it...let's compare current cars with current cars:

2007 Nissan 350Z
0-to-60-mph time: 5.2 sec
Quarter-mile time: 13.7 sec @ 104 mph

2007 Ford Mustand GT
0-to-60-mph time: 5.1 sec
Quarter-mile time: 13.8 sec @ 103 mph

2007 Subaru Legacy 2.5GT
0-to-60-mph time: 5.3 sec
Quarter-mile time: 14.1 sec @ 97 mph

So...let me say it for the forth time. The MS3 is a great all around car. It has nice conservative looks. It is practical. It is offered at a great price. It is fun to drive, thanks mostly to it's above average engine. I love my MS3, but again, it is not a powerful car. If I considered it a powerful car, that would mean every V8, 80% of the V6s, and 25% of the I4s would have to be considered powerful! My standards for "powerful" are just higher than yours. No insult to the MS3 is being made here. Like I said, I love the car, but unless she starts making 350+ HP, 4th gear and up will never be that exciting for me.

these 350z times are wrong! even if you get these out of some magazine or some bs like that the new 350z is slower than a stock msp3..i was a tech at nissan for about 3 years, and race a couple people i know at the dealer in "07 350z's" and dust them all the time! they cant keep up plain and simple. they are overated cars and nissan advertises them like there the gift of god. but i worked on them all the time and we had the most problems with them more than any othere car that nissan makes. not to get off topic but "07' 350z" = "SLOOOOOWWWW"

[camrycev6]

Maybe true...I was just quoting magazine numbers with magazine numbers to prove a point. Even if the 350z isn't making a 5.2s 0-60 times, I would bet they are still going to beat all but the best MS3 drivers.

Still....getting back to my point, we can say (based on your statements) that neither the 350z or the MS3 are powerful cars! (stock on both of course.)

[rodney]

camrycev6 your getting 257/279 at the wheels with just a CAI! i wonder what im getting cause i also have a turboback exhaust w/ forge BOV

[funkyman]

Stock For 22500usd MS3 in your face test result Dyno the works(direct)0-60 5.4 14@101mph

See rsults below

[shamrock]

I have rode in a couple Z's and I really wasnt impressed with the car at all. And I have a hard time believing the Newer mustang GT runs 0-60in 5.1sec
bull shit. Even this guy agrees>>>>:bs:lol

[SwampAss]

I have a hard time believing the fanboi-ism of this car. It hasn't been out a year yet! :)

[camrycev6]

camrycev6 your getting 257/279 at the wheels with just a CAI! i wonder what im getting cause i also have a turboback exhaust w/ forge BOV

I would say you are making some good numbers with those mods....

[camrycev6]

I have a hard time believing the fanboi-ism of this car. It hasn't been out a year yet! :)

So true....So true....

[Bravnik]

So...let me say it for the forth time. The MS3 is a great all around car. It has nice conservative looks. It is practical. It is offered at a great price. It is fun to drive, thanks mostly to it's above average engine. I love my MS3, but again, it is not a powerful car. If I considered it a powerful car, that would mean every V8, 80% of the V6s, and 25% of the I4s would have to be considered powerful! My standards for "powerful" are just higher than yours. No insult to the MS3 is being made here. Like I said, I love the car, but unless she starts making 350+ HP, 4th gear and up will never be that exciting for me.

What you fail to understand is that the MS3 is a powerful car and your G35 is not a fair comparison. The G35 didn't come with a Supercharger (Standard as far as I believe anyway) and in its own right the 6mt is a drivers race with the MS3. The MS3 is an equal to any G35 on the road...stock for stock.

Now add the 6k to the MS3 that the Supercharger costs for the G35 with a proper tune and then lets see the end result. My money would be on the MS3. Speed is relative to the money spent. Your G35 was only fast because you dropped 5-6k on the SC and had it tuned.

Out the dealer door the MS3 is as equal or faster than the 350z, G35, Mustang etc. from a roll. The ONLY reason it is not faster from a Dig (IE 1/4 Mile) is because it is FWD. Hell once we get a proper Standback or PNP that allows us to tune the car ONLY, those cars will not stand a chance even from a Dig. The MS3 is badly tuned and I think Mazda left it that way to allow room to really allow tuners to really improve the car. Just look at how many HP/TQ you get from a simple CAI. Hell I would have to spend 5k on my S2000 to get that much HP because the car had no real room to work with as it was tuned to the max from Honda. Hell the only way to get any real power on the S2000 is to SC/Turbo it.

[MS3ICA]

What you fail to understand is that the MS3 is a powerful car and your G35 is not a fair comparison. The G35 didn't come with a Supercharger (Standard as far as I believe anyway) and in its own right the 6mt is a drivers race with the MS3. The MS3 is an equal to any G35 on the road...stock for stock.

Now add the 6k to the MS3 that the Supercharger costs for the G35 with a proper tune and then lets see the end result. My money would be on the MS3. Speed is relative to the money spent. Your G35 was only fast because you dropped 5-6k on the SC and had it tuned. Money = Fast in any car.

Out the dealer door the MS3 is as equal or faster than the 350z, G35, Mustang etc. from a roll. The ONLY reason it is not faster from a Dig (IE 1/4 Mile) is because it is FWD. Hell once we get a proper Standback or PNP that allows us to tune the car ONLY, those cars will not stand a chance even from a Dig.

+1

[rodney]

What you fail to understand is that the MS3 is a powerful car and your G35 is not a fair comparison. The G35 didn't come with a Supercharger (Standard as far as I believe anyway) and in its own right the 6mt is a drivers race with the MS3. The MS3 is an equal to any G35 on the road...stock for stock.

Now add the 6k to the MS3 that the Supercharger costs for the G35 with a proper tune and then lets see the end result. My money would be on the MS3. Speed is relative to the money spent. Your G35 was only fast because you dropped 5-6k on the SC and had it tuned.

Out the dealer door the MS3 is as equal or faster than the 350z, G35, Mustang etc. from a roll. The ONLY reason it is not faster from a Dig (IE 1/4 Mile) is because it is FWD. Hell once we get a proper Standback or PNP that allows us to tune the car ONLY, those cars will not stand a chance even from a Dig. The MS3 is badly tuned and I think Mazda left it that way to allow room to really allow tuners to really improve the car. Just look at how many HP/TQ you get from a simple CAI. Hell I would have to spend 5k on my S2000 to get that much HP because the car had no real room to work with as it was tuned to the max from Honda. Hell the only way to get any real power on the S2000 is to SC/Turbo it.

i agree with what bravnik is saying if you put the same amount of money into a speed3 and a g35/350z the speed3 will murder those two

[SwampAss]

It doesn't matter.


The argument, that apparently only a very few people seem to understand, is that NO ONE has a highly modified MS3 yet. At least no one in this thread. When someone mods an MS3 and starts putting out serious HP numbers, YES, it will be fast.

As it stands right now, you all, the collective of MS3 owners assembled in this thread, do not have fast or quick cars comparatively speaking to what is out there.

Don't give me the "well if that car wasn't supercharged....and let's go stock to stock" because that point was never entered in the equation. The argument was never what's fair and unfair. The argument was about "what we all drive right now", because that is what you are basing the performance of the MS3 on.

[Bravnik]

It doesn't matter.


The argument, that apparently only a very few people seem to understand, is that NO ONE has a highly modified MS3 yet. At least no one in this thread. When someone mods an MS3 and starts putting out serious HP numbers, YES, it will be fast.

As it stands right now, you all, the collective of MS3 owners assembled in this thread, do not have fast or quick cars comparatively speaking to what is out there.

Don't give me the "well if that car wasn't supercharged....and let's go stock to stock" because that point was never entered in the equation. The argument was never what's fair and unfair. The argument was about "what we all drive right now", because that is what you are basing the performance of the MS3 on.

No Swamp you are wrong. The MS3 is a fast car comparatively speaking and its the fastest in its class. So compairing apples to apples it is a fast car. On the other hand the OP said the MS3 is not fast and his G35 SC was. Well that opened the door to the rest of my comments.

Compairing the G35 to the MS3, the MS3 is faster..sorry but true. It is also faster than the Mustang, 350z, WRX etc. The only reason for low 1/4 is the FWD and the traction issue. But in RL on the road and the track the MS3 is faster by far than all of those I mentioned.

Now do you want to talk about whats out there? If so I can post a few pics of 8 sec Civics if you want. Or 1200 HP Grand Nationals or 1500 HP Supras. But that arguement is MOOT and Stupid as is the same arguement about the SC G35. Those cars have a ton of cash put into them to achieve their so called FAST.

Purchased off the showroom floor for under 25k, I would LOVE for you to link me a faster car than the MS3. Its not going to happen. So in the terms of FAST, yes the MS3 is FAST as hell compaired to whats out there in the 20-35k class of cars. The only cars that I would say are faster out the door are 30k+ cars of which the STi, EVO, GTO, are apart of.

Not to mention the MS3 is a ton faster than 60-80% of the production cars on the road today (Just an estimate but you get the point).

Is the MS3 an 8 sec pocket rocket? No. But is it fast compaired to other cars in its class and even cars well above its class? Yes, even with no tuning yet.

Lets not forget that there is always faster. There are a ton of Figher Pilots that would laugh in your face if you said you've been fast. However, the only people on earth that know what REALLY FAST is, all work for NASA.

[SwampAss]

I can't break it down and explain it in simpler means. I see what you guys are saying, but you are missing the argument 100%.

Have fun making the argument that was never raised.

[camrycev6]

Bravnik --- You aren't seeing my point at all. I understand exactly what has been said and what I have been saying. The MS3 is not a powerful car, nor was my stock G35. Remember, I wan't really comparing any two vehicles. I simply said that the MS3 (stock!) is not a powerful car. My SC G35 was. I am sure the MS3 I have seen on this site that is reporting 400+ HP is a powerful car.

I don't understand why everyone is getting so defensive on this. Can't you folks just admit that the MS3 is not really a powerful car? Or at least concede that it is only "powerful" based on your limited / non-existent experience with truly powerful cars? I have driven a SC G35, a 2004 Corvette, and a 1969 Mustang with a small block SC V8 engine. Those cars... and only those cars I drove--- were powerful in my opinion. It taught me what a powerful car feels like. Knowing that, I can now, with a fair amount of accuracy, determine what other cars would be powerful. My MS3 with a CAI, my 92 Honda Civic, my 98 SC Camry V6, and my 84 Toyota Tercel do not feel and do not demonstrate what a powerful car is to me.

Swampass...I am glad at least you get my point.

[camrycev6]

Compairing the G35 to the MS3, the MS3 is faster..sorry but true. It is also faster than the Mustang, 350z, WRX etc. The only reason for low 1/4 is the FWD and the traction issue. But in RL on the road and the track the MS3 is faster by far than all of those I mentioned.

Not that this was the focus of the discussion, but according to Car and Driver, you are wrong on every one of those asertions above. A 2007 Mustang, 350z, and WRX all have faster 0-60 times than a MS3. Except for the WRX, they all have better 1/4 mile times too. Unless you have some data to back that up, I have to yield to the professionals on the numbers.

[Jays07MS3]

Damn whats wrong with some of you people? "Powerful" is a subjective term... you know... opposite of OBJECTIVE. If he doesn't think it is powerful compared to what he's used to then that is a FAIR statement. If I rode in a 500hp car all day long then stepped into a MS3 I would probably agree that the MS3 is not a very powerful care. But its all relative.

My MS3 probably puts down roughly the same numbers that my eclipse did so I tend to feel this is a powerful car because I felt that way about my eclipse. Had I owned a Z06 before this car I probably wouldn't think so. And there is no debate whether this car is one if not THE most powerful car in its class, because it is. But that is NOT what the OP is saying. Just let the guy feel the way he wants to without having to come up with all these hypothetical situations.

[camrycev6]

Well said Jays. You hit the nail on the head.

[SwampAss]

Phew! I was losing hope for a minute. Thanks Jays.

[MX6toMS3]

92! pff. I've been driving mine in 95-105 degree weather since I've gotten it. Only 2 days ago when we 'THOUGHT' we were getting a hurricane and the temp dipped, did I finally get to roll down the windows.
I've never had a car with a filter in the a/c, and whether it's the filter or something else, I never smell car fumes from other vehicles or anything from outside. In Houston, you will smell some nasty smelling cars daily!
I hope it helps to keep the new car smell longer without all that crap coming inside.

[konvex1]

The subjective/objective remark is brilliant and absolutely the way I feel. I love how people argue about how they feel about something, when really, everyone's gonna have their opinion and all they are doing is wasting a lot of time. With that said, the MS3 is powerful to me because I'm coming from an auto '01 Nissan Sentra. Then again, just about everything is powerful to me.

[SwampAss]

One could make the argument than anything said on a public forum that is not 100% tech related is wasting a lot of time. The problem is, sometimes at work I have time to waste. :-p

[Blang]

Yeah, it is all a matter of perspective. I just got back from the UK driving a Mercedes A170 (116hp) for a week. The speed3 is EXTREMELY fast in comparison. (2thumbs)

[rodney]

Mazdaspeed 3 is faster than a stock 350z and g35 so (fu) i just laugh at 350z owners when they drive by with the (im the shit face look) and im just thinkin in my head...to bad my wagon grocery getter will shit on your z lol

[camrycev6]

Mazdaspeed 3 is faster than a stock 350z and g35 so (fu) i just laugh at 350z owners when they drive by with the (im the shit face look) and im just thinkin in my head...to bad my wagon grocery getter will shit on your z lol

Interesting....I guess Car & Driver, Automoblie mag, and Road & Track should all start considering your opinion and expertise over their entire combinded staffs'. They all list the 2007 350Z as a "faster" car than the MS3. Both in 0-60 times and in the 1/4 mile. Last time I checked, beating a car in both of those categories, usually meant it was faster.

[BlackCherry06]

While I agree that a MS3 is fast, I'd never take on a 350Z with one. RWD and no turbo lag FTW.

[fourthmeal]

350Z is heavy, and slow. Granted they are beautiful, and they can be made to run fast. But, by the nature of being built around a flexible platform that is shared with suv's, there are parts on the car that are simply overbuilt and far too heavy, and it shows when you drive it.

[SwampAss]

Interesting....I guess Car & Driver, Automoblie mag, and Road & Track should all start considering your opinion and expertise over their entire combinded staffs'. They all list the 2007 350Z as a "faster" car than the MS3. Both in 0-60 times and in the 1/4 mile. Last time I checked, beating a car in both of those categories, usually meant it was faster.



Shut up and drink the Kool Aid already!

[camrycev6]

Ha!!! Ok...I give up! The MS3 is the fastest production car currently made!!! In fact, it is so awesome, when I was sitting at a red light complaining how I wanted to be rich, mine started producing gold coins in the ash tray!

And I thought it was great last week when I was driving to work, but didn't have time for breakfast --- sure enough, opened the glove compartment (at 201 MPH of course...I let her drive herself when I am busy.... and inside she had made me egg's benedict!)

Best....car....in....the....whole....f'ing.....wor ld.

[rodney]

(laugh)(laugh)(laugh)(laugh)
Interesting....I guess Car & Driver, Automoblie mag, and Road & Track should all start considering your opinion and expertise over their entire combinded staffs'. They all list the 2007 350Z as a "faster" car than the MS3. Both in 0-60 times and in the 1/4 mile. Last time I checked, beating a car in both of those categories, usually meant it was faster.

your a fuckin dumb ass. i just raced two of them the other day from a roll and a dig...there slowwww, have you ever driven one? you should drive one before you start taking up for one.LOL...350z faster than a MS3, thats the funniest shit i ever heard(laugh)(laugh) i wish knew where you lived so i could run you over for bein such a dumb ass(bike)

[rodney]

While I agree that a MS3 is fast, I'd never take on a 350Z with one. RWD and no turbo lag FTW.

all wheel drive is better than rear wheel drive (chair)

[BlackCherry06]

Your point being...???

[rodney]

Your point being...???

your acting like the 350z has an advantage or something lol..and our cars have slim to none turbo lag

[BlackCherry06]

I'm not acting like anything...RWD has a distinct advantage to FWD, whether YOU want to believe it or not. When Indy cars make the switch to FWD, come back with your argument. For now, you don't have one. The MS3 is not the end-all be-all car of the universe. Get over yourself.

[rodney]

I'm not acting like anything...RWD has a distinct advantage to FWD, whether YOU want to believe it or not. When Indy cars make the switch to FWD, come back with your argument. For now, you don't have one. The MS3 is not the end-all be-all car of the universe. Get over yourself.

yea but you said that "YOU" would never take on one and "YOU" have al wheel drive so your right i dont have an argument, just a correct statement and by the way our cars can take a 350z from a dig ive done it

[BlackCherry06]

Take this opportunity to read my post again, El Blind-o

While I agree that a MS3 is fast, I'd never take on a 350Z with one. RWD and no turbo lag FTW. WITH ONE, meaning a MS3.

[rodney]

LOL you have a point i am El blind-o, but i have taken them from a dig

[BlackCherry06]

Good for you. You rule all.

[350GT21]

these 350z times are wrong! even if you get these out of some magazine or some bs like that the new 350z is slower than a stock msp3..i was a tech at nissan for about 3 years, and race a couple people i know at the dealer in "07 350z's" and dust them all the time! they cant keep up plain and simple. they are overated cars and nissan advertises them like there the gift of god. but i worked on them all the time and we had the most problems with them more than any othere car that nissan makes. not to get off topic but "07' 350z" = "SLOOOOOWWWW"


Since you seem to know so much about Nissan then you should know the
VQ35HR is more than capable of high 13 second quarter miles. No offense, but if you're "dusting" these new Z's then the people behind the wheel have no idea what their doing. Now I dunno much about the Mazda speed 3/6 but I am planning on purchasing a Speed 6 and quite frankly speed and power have nothing to do with it. With my G35 I am leaving speed 6's in the dust and the speed 3's aren't much faster either.

[rodney]

Since you seem to know so much about Nissan then you should know the
VQ35HR is more than capable of high 13 second quarter miles. No offense, but if you're "dusting" these new Z's then the people behind the wheel have no idea what their doing. Now I dunno much about the Mazda speed 3/6 but I am planning on purchasing a Speed 6 and quite frankly speed and power have nothing to do with it. With my G35 I am leaving speed 6's in the dust and the speed 3's aren't much faster either.

well than the MS6 and MS3 owners cant drive cause i use to drive those all day long and they are slow and whats really sad is that the altima se-r automatic is faster than a 350z or g35 i think the altima se-r would give me better compitition(bang)

[rodney]

maybe you should by a ms6 or ms3 so you can get out of that crap car lol

[SwampAss]

My right eye just lodged itself in my left ear.

[camrycev6]

(laugh)(laugh)(laugh)(laugh)

your a fuckin dumb ass. i just raced two of them the other day from a roll and a dig...there slowwww, have you ever driven one? you should drive one before you start taking up for one.LOL...350z faster than a MS3, thats the funniest shit i ever heard(laugh)(laugh) i wish knew where you lived so i could run you over for bein such a dumb ass(bike)

Yes...I have driven one, and I would not use the word slow to describe them.. (Not an 2007 though) I personally think you are a juvenille idiot, as your tasteful reply illustrates, and I won't bother discussing this further with you...as it would only make me look bad entertaining you. So....
(sssh)

[rodney]

your gay(ghey)^^^

[BlackCherry06]

Your gay what? Oh, you meant you're gay. Ok, I get it now. Gees....I didn't think anyone outside of high school said that anymore. Ouch, that's gotta hurt. Camrycev6, are you gonna be ok?

[rodney]

your also gay (ghey) ^^^^

[SuperStretch18]

My right eye just lodged itself in my left ear.

Nice sig... (rofl2)(rofl2)(rofl2)(rofl2)

[ecniemann]

Can't you all just agree to disagree. Power can be defined many ways, and I think Camrycev6 was just describing subjective feelings of power, which by definition, is completely subjective, meaning not fact or provable. If you are going to go by objective power, look strictly at hp and/or torque ratings. Or to get deeper into it, Power can be defined as P = W/t (work/time) or P = Fd (force x distance)/t or P = mad (mass x acceleration x distance)/t. Therefore, the heavier an object is that is accelerating to a given speed over same amount of time is the more powerful. So does that make a crotch rocket more powerful than the Speed3? Probably not as it weighs nothing, although has better acceleration. Is a semi tractor less powerful than the Speed3 just because it's 0-60 (acceleration) time is slower? Again probably not due to the mass of it. Now, I am not a physicist, nor claim to be, and am sure there are errors here. My point is, the op's statement was opinion and that 0-60 and 1/4 mile times are not the end all and be all of subjective or objective measure of power.

[SuperStretch18]

I can't believe that such an innocent and overwhelmingly positive OP turned into this mess...

[Jays07MS3]

I can't believe that such an innocent and overwhelmingly positive OP turned into this mess...

No doubt (bang). LOL!! But its sure good entertainment :)

[controlo]

hahaha. swampass always has the best signatures.

for what its worth... i've raced quite a few 350Z's from a roll and i've never lost. i always beat them by a car or less. from a dig it would be a very close race. HOWEVER, the 2007 Z's are quicker for sure. i've only raced one when i had just an intake and he had just a catback and he took me by a little over a car from a roll. from a dig, its over. now that i have my test pipe, it will be pretty close from a roll. 350Z's are bad ass cars, i don't know why it always has to turn into some kind of "better than, faster than" argument. any 6 cyl. that makes 330 horses from factory is bad. same with G35's, although i haven't had a problem pulling a bit on those either... haha. :)

[rodney]

hahaha. swampass always has the best signatures.

for what its worth... i've raced quite a few 350Z's from a roll and i've never lost. i always beat them by a car or less. from a dig it would be a very close race. HOWEVER, the 2007 Z's are quicker for sure. i've only raced one when i had just an intake and he had just a catback and he took me by a little over a car from a roll. from a dig, its over. now that i have my test pipe, it will be pretty close from a roll. 350Z's are bad ass cars, i don't know why it always has to turn into some kind of "better than, faster than" argument. any 6 cyl. that makes 330 horses from factory is bad. same with G35's, although i haven't had a problem pulling a bit on those either... haha. :)

i agree^ i guess i was gettin the new Z because i have TBE and CAI

[camrycev6]

Can't you all just agree to disagree. Power can be defined many ways, and I think Camrycev6 was just describing subjective feelings of power, which by definition, is completely subjective, meaning not fact or provable. .

That was exactly what I was doing.

[fourthmeal]

It should be noted I was talking about pre-07 models. For some reason, the 07 and newer seem much quicker. Hmmmm..

[camrycev6]

Your gay what? Oh, you meant you're gay. Ok, I get it now. Gees....I didn't think anyone outside of high school said that anymore. Ouch, that's gotta hurt. Camrycev6, are you gonna be ok?

I don't know, I think I will make it though. I guess I never expected to be flamed so well by Rodney ---- "You're Gay." That was the best I heard in a long time...and it must have taken him what, 15-20 minutes to come up with it?

I mean seriously, how can I recover from that?
(boom07)

[camrycev6]

It should be noted I was talking about pre-07 models. For some reason, the 07 and newer seem much quicker. Hmmmm..

I hear you...that is why I was especially careful to use 2007 versus 2007 in my posts... Some people either didn't read that the first time, or just chose to ignore it.

[rodney]

I don't know, I think I will make it though. I guess I never expected to be flamed so well by Rodney ---- "You're Gay." That was the best I heard in a long time...and it must have taken him what, 15-20 minutes to come up with it?

I mean seriously, how can I recover from that?
(boom07)

your gay^^^(ghey)

[camrycev6]

Thanks for the laugh Rodney...seriously...

[rodney]

Thanks for the laugh Rodney...seriously...

no problem your gay (ghey)^^^

[camrycev6]

Sure dude.... could you at least spell it right next time? I assume you are at least 17, so you had to have taken some form of English in high school. Or don't fix it, it makes it a little funnier that way...

[rodney]

yep its final your gay(ghey)^^^

[SwampAss]

If you own a Nissan 350Z remember, people like Rodney will be turning the wrenches. (He's a Nissan Tech)

Reason #443 to buy a Mazda.

I'm (ghey)

[SwampAss]

not really. I'm married to a super hot chick.

[controlo]

haha. Rodney, it's "you're".

the new 350Z's are twin throttle. bad. ass.

[CX-7owner]

yep its final your gay(ghey)^^^

It's official, rodney can't tell the difference from your and you're (you are),

I'm going to put this as simple as possible(simple works when dealing with simple people)
Say you're not your rodney, so you can pretend to have a brain.

[BlackCherry06]

I have a feeling your gonna be gay too.

[camrycev6]

I think I can make it even easier....Let's try some simple logic.

Let "X" = Rodney
Y does not equal X

If "Y" then "Your Gay!"

[SwampAss]

and for the visually stimulated.

[mckraut]

and for the visually stimulated.

Rodney's an idiot...but that's pretty funny Swampass. :-)

[camrycev6]

Ditto...I can always count on Swampass for a laugh.

[rodney]

haha. Rodney, it's "you're".

the new 350Z's are twin throttle. bad. ass.

woooow its twin throttle...that is so cool, that makes me wanna go trade my car in and get one now thank you for pointing that out

[CX-7owner]

(hah)
and for the visually stimulated.

[rodney]

If you own a Nissan 350Z remember, people like Rodney will be turning the wrenches. (He's a Nissan Tech)

Reason #443 to buy a Mazda.

I'm (ghey)

just cause i joke around alot on the forum doesn't mean i don't know what im doing, so don't bring my work skills into this , because iv'e been turning wrenches for along time. most ppl on here can't even manage to install a CAI or change there own oil so i dont think you should be bringin that up....oh and by the way i work for toyota now not nissan

[mckraut]

most ppl on here can't even manage to install a CAI or change there own oil

I'm impressed, you sure know how to make friends and influence people...

P.S. I think you would be taken a little more seriously if you could learn to spell worth a damn. :-)

[SwampAss]

just cause i joke around alot on the forum doesn't mean i don't know what im doing, so don't bring my work skills into this , because iv'e been turning wrenches for along time. most ppl on here can't even manage to install a CAI or change there own oil so i dont think you should be bringin that up....oh and by the way i work for toyota now not nissan



Just so I understand:

Belittle someone's sexual preference = ok
Joke about someone's job = not ok

You started hurling the insults. When you stir the nest, don't cry when you get stung.



back on topic.

Has anyone ridden in a new Z06? I saw someone from my work leave the parking lot this afternoon. I don't think I'd race him on my bike. Holy crap.

[camrycev6]

Unfortunately not yet, I have only seen two on the roads. They both looked to be driven by what appeared to be middle aged rich guys. Yeah...I was a little jealous.

[SwampAss]

This guy is two year from retiring. By the way he was driving it, he might make it. Props to someone who's willing to actually drive what he has vs. put around.

[Captain GJ]

Saw a modified Z06 today, black with blacked out stock wheels and lowered....looked and sounded insane. But, no, havn't ridden in one either.

[controlo]

i see them quite often but they're always "driven" by older men and women. what a waste of 80G's and a bad ass car.

[camrycev6]

My boss had a 2004 Vette that he drove like there was no tomorrow. I had to give him credit for that. He was 47 at the time, and drove it like he was 17. He certainly "Sometimes loved his Corvette".

[SwampAss]

Heh, my wife's mom's boss (who I also know) has a GT3. 10,000 miles into ownership he grenaded the motor. a $68,000 warranty claim and he's back. He does some sort of Porsche Club of America track school @ VIR, Summit Point, and Watkins Glen I believe. He races a purple 944 turbo but drives his GT3 like it's on fire on he's looking for water.

His previous car was a Viper GTS. He bounced it off a guardrail in the mountains and launched the clutch at a drag strip. He really loves his cars. Riding with him will re-define ass pucker. He scares the bajeebus out of me.

[camrycev6]

Sounds like it! Back when I was living in KY, I had the extremely fortunate luck of going out with Miss KY 1995 (We kissed...that was it.) for a few dates. She won a new Viper and it took of her all of two weeks to total it. Giving a Viper to a person who never drove a stick or a sports car before in their lives = dangerous

[SwampAss]

I'm glad you referenced the state. I was having other ideas pop into my head.

[fourthmeal]

I'm sure you can imagine the results of putting that Z06 motor in the RX-7. WOW. Also, cheaper.

[camrycev6]

I'm glad you referenced the state. I was having other ideas pop into my head.

Yeah...it was, and still is always a joke when you mention Miss KY. Funny, you never see it abbreviated at the competition....

[SwampAss]

Yeah...it was, and still is always a joke when you mention Miss KY. Funny, you never see it abbreviated at the competition....

If you meet Ms. Analeaze, pass her my number.

[mazdaspeed32007]

[QUOTE=camrycev6;3387373]Actually, Feb 07 C&D reports the following for the MS3:

0-to-60-mph time: 5.8 sec
Quarter-mile time: 14.4 sec @ 99 mph

**the attachment is for you**

an old friend of mine just bought a 2002 Z06 and its craaaazzzzyyyyy. seriously....we should all go get one and make a new forum for our Z06's. (drive2)

everyone's not just gay. youre all "your gay" (ghey)

i love some of the arguments on this forum. (bicker)

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand swampass, the colors in your chart are awful. +1 for creativity, and -999999999999 for the color scheme. your lines arent even straight. or is it you're. im confused this far into the thread. (uhm)


(inout)

[camrycev6]

[QUOTE=camrycev6;3387373]Actually, Feb 07 C&D reports the following for the MS3:

0-to-60-mph time: 5.8 sec
Quarter-mile time: 14.4 sec @ 99 mph

**the attachment is for you**

an old friend of mine just bought a 2002 Z06 and its craaaazzzzyyyyy. seriously....we should all go get one and make a new forum for our Z06's. (drive2)

everyone's not just gay. youre all "your gay" (ghey)

i love some of the arguments on this forum. (bicker)

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand swampass, the colors in your chart are awful. +1 for creativity, and -999999999999 for the color scheme. your lines arent even straight. or is it you're. im confused this far into the thread. (uhm)


(inout)

I got my information directly from the magazine (sitting on my desk) and their website. I have no idea why C&D can't reconcile their own information. Regardless, that 5.4 time is still slower than the 2007 350Z...

[camrycev6]

If you meet Ms. Analeaze, pass her my number.

I think they hold that one out in a barn during the early Spring. It is right before the Ms. Platinum Wet contest.

[mazdaspeed32007]

[QUOTE=mazdaspeed32007;3399667]

I have no idea why C&D can't reconcile their own information. Regardless, that 5.4 time is still slower than the 2007 350Z...

maybe they ran the car a few different times and their numbers ran with corresponding issues or something. whatever. i thought the track sheet would be the most valid argument for our car. cant get much better than every test.

oh...the nismo style 350 comes with 275's on the back!!! those are huge. seriously....who couldnt get a 5.2 with 306 hp RWD in those tires. lol. plus the '07 runs like a 13.6 quarter stock. thats pretty dandy. but then again...like 36k later...boooo.