New discovery for the 1.6l guys

[IukekiniProtege]

Alright this was discovered when i just replaced my MAF sensor. If you want a CAI or SRI and dont want the hesitation. Order a MAF for a 2000+ Toyota Celica GT-S. *Note: GT MAF has shown to have issues* Advanced auto parts ordered me a new MAF when mine just died last week, it came to like $75 ($140 up front then when i gave him the old one i got the core charge back). What i recieved was a Toyota MAF sensor made by Denso, its the same one my buddy's Celica GT-S has.

For the last week I have had no hesitation what so ever when in the 2,500-3,500 rpm range with my Injen CAI, i used to have bad enough hesitation where it jerked the car. so for anyone else willing to give it a shot let me know your results.

Update(7/2/2008): still going strong with no hesitation, what so ever.
Update(11/14/2008): still going without issues and loving it.
Update(3/29/2009): Still going strong well as strong as the 1.6 will ever be

[Witchdoktor]

what diameter is your pipe?

[IukekiniProtege]

umm i think the injen is 2.5" i could measure at some point

[Witchdoktor]

if it's anything above stock diameter (2.25") you can expect hesitation and weak idle (at times). the maf is calibrated to meter air in a 2.25" pipe, anything bigger and unmetered air gets thru.

[IukekiniProtege]

ok, but the Toyota/Denso MAF isnt sensitive to the change, my friend has a CAI on his Celica and his is fine, i now have the same MAF on my car with the CAI and i have no hesitation and perfect idle.

[luwe]

wouldn't that mess up the fuel maps, though since the maf won't be able to measure correctly?

[mazpro]

i doubt it will mess with anything. i bought the stock one for $140 @ the stealership, so this should save us some money.

did you reset your ECU?

[IukekiniProtege]

i just used the OBD-II checker at advanced auto and cleared the CEL that was set off when the old MAF died. I hate to reset the ECU unless i absolutely have to because it runs like crap, and my fuel mileage is affected negatively for almost a hundred miles. As far as i know it doesnt mess with the fuel maps, i dont see how it would, just the signal when it is in open loop is sent to the ECU more accurately from the Toyota/Denso MAF. I have almost 600miles on this MAF now and its still running awesome. Fuel mileage calculated out to around 39mpg, thats mostly highway, but some city driving up here around concord.

[mazpro]

sounds good then, good to know since i just got a code for a bad MAF (thumb)

[Protegelx]

mazpro was is the code # for your maf

[steve_protege]

If this is indeed true, I think you just helped a LOT of people. My MAF is pretty crappy with my Injen on. I tried "fixing" it when I did the bike inner tube remedy, but I still get the hesitation like crazy. So I think after I replace my EGR valve (because I got a CEL, "Excessive Airflow"), Im going to replace the MAF as well. Good find!

[lilchild87]

I installed COSMO racing CAI today and reset my ECU.. after that the idle shakes a lil bit right after you stop but after 2 sec its alright.. i also noticed a pretty small lost between 2k and 3.5k maybe (i have no tach) and after that i feel the pull

Im not sure of the "lost" power between 2k-3.5k its normal or what..

[IukekiniProtege]

Welcome to the world of 1.6L CAI with the stock MAF sensor. The idle problem will probably go away soon, its most likely being caused by you resetting the ECU. The loss between 2k-3,500rpms is normal for a 1.6l with a CAI and the stock MAF.

[lilchild87]

Welcome to the world of 1.6L CAI with the stock MAF sensor. The idle problem will probably go away soon, its most likely being caused by you resetting the ECU. The loss between 2k-3,500rpms is normal for a 1.6l with a CAI and the stock MAF.

Glad to hear that man! thx

So the pull i feel after 3,500rpms is the gain??

[TheMAN]

you realize that the stock 1.6l MAF got updated many times to an improved part right? mazda knew there were problems and fixed them! plus they extended the warranty on the original MAF too

[lilchild87]

you realize that the stock 1.6l MAF got updated many times to an improved part right? mazda knew there were problems and fixed them! plus they extended the warranty on the original MAF too

If you mean an upgraded part for the MAF.. no i didn't know

[IukekiniProtege]

It funny they never solved the issue then because i had the latest version of the mazda one and had the terrible hesitation problem, so they never corrected it for the CAI, maybe made it better for use with the stock airboxes

also, i believe the extended warranty ended in may of this year or something like that

[Witchdoktor]

mazda has no reason to have their maf work on aftermarket parts. most cai have a bigger diameter pipe than stock (2.25"), the maf is not calibrated to read anything different than stock. any intake pipe bigger than stock will lean things out......crappy idle at times, hesitations, throw cel P0171 from unmetered air getting thru.

how do you guys know you are lean at certain ranges, wb02?

[lilchild87]

i have an idea to check how lean or rich the car is, i'll get the air/fuel pressure gauge.. that simple

If the car needs more or less fuel i may get a fuel pressure regulator

what you guys think?

[Witchdoktor]

a fpr can't be used to fine tune like an ems

[lilchild87]

idk what ems means so don't waste your time (ugh)
w/e that is, it's a solution for these CAI issues?

[NCZ13]

engine management system

EMS are not cheap, very pricey, if you just want to solve your rough idle

[mazpro]

they will do a lot more than fix the idle. if you get it tunned, you will get more horsepower

[NCZ13]

they will do a lot more than fix the idle. if you get it tunned, you will get more horsepower

yeah but the question is, is it worth it. when you dont have the money for it, it doesnt make sense to save up and get it. you wont get mind blowing gains out of it. if you want something faster save up and get a different car.

my p5 is not fast. im doing basic bolt ons, and suspension. and im happy. i dont need to get to 60 mph in 4 sec to be satisfied. knowing i have a clean, driveable car, that handles excellent is well worth it.

[lilchild87]

yeah but the question is, is it worth it. when you dont have the money for it, it doesnt make sense to save up and get it. you wont get mind blowing gains out of it. if you want something faster save up and get a different car.

my p5 is not fast. im doing basic bolt ons, and suspension. and im happy. i dont need to get to 60 mph in 4 sec to be satisfied. knowing i have a clean, driveable car, that handles excellent is well worth it.

The protege is a driveable car with excellent MPG and cornering so don't talk shit about them.

I'm doing basic bolts ons too and i'm very happy too thx

And about the thread.. i'm not buying ems, my car has excellent idle with my COSMO CAI

[mazpro]

dude you need re-read what he posted. he said the car is great as it is, not trying to bash on the car.

I agree that that we do not need an EMS and the FPR does not fix the hessitation that the intakes produce. even with the FPR, the injectors max out very early so it would be useless.

[red95_240sx]

I might give it a try if my MAF goes out again.

In the mean time Weapon-r SRI+two inner tube patches FTW!!

[lilchild87]

i can't complain about my CAI, gives me a nice pull after 4k and a very strong and racing sound

what about cams for the 1.6? how any gains?

[IukekiniProtege]

what cams are you looking at? i havent really seen any out there, im sure cams if u got an agressive enough grind you would see good gains, but go too far and driveability will suffer

[NCZ13]

you dont need to capitalize the name of your intake...

[mazpro]

i have the simota twin-charger system with a stock maf and I have 0 problems with hesitation. :)

[Witchdoktor]

i have the simota twin-charger system with a stock maf and I have 0 problems with hesitation. :)


because simota cai is the same diameter as stock intake pipe (2.25") (thumb)

[mazpro]

right, but it has another hole that's about 1/2 inch that goes past the maf inside the second pipe without being read, which i dont know if it helps.

[lilchild87]

Idk if my lost power between 2k and 3.5k is the air problem but i see a gain at high rpms.. passing 4,500 rpms

[red95_240sx]

There r several other cars with our MAF also ive noticed

[lilchild87]

i don't know if my cosmo CAI is 2.25 or 2.50

next step is high flow cat or maybe gut mine

[lilchild87]

i'll do cel check tomorrow cuz it been on since last week, i also tried to order a simota cai but gary said he only carry sri's

If cel doesnt go of i'll try the denso one

[red95_240sx]

right, but it has another hole that's about 1/2 inch that goes past the maf inside the second pipe without being read, which i dont know if it helps.

as in velocity stack? i have dat too.thought it was jus in the one i have

[Caedmon7777]

Well I know there are post up already about this but with this new find I am interested in getting a CAI again. I know Injen doesn't make one for the 1.6 anymore. Where can I get a CAI for the 1.6? Who makes CAIs for the 1.6?

[lilchild87]

Well I know there are post up already about this but with this new find I am interested in getting a CAI again. I know Injen doesn't make one for the 1.6 anymore. Where can I get a CAI for the 1.6? Who makes CAIs for the 1.6?

Cosmo racing, really good price and fast shipping

[Caedmon7777]

Cosmo racing, really good price and fast shipping
Where can I get that CAI?

[IukekiniProtege]

http://www.cosmoracing.com/productinfo.asp?cid=193&pid=699 theres the link
my first time seeing this, looks similar to my injen one, except its two pieces.

[Caedmon7777]

I looked at the CAI and it looks like there isn't a place for the MAF.

[lilchild87]

I looked at the CAI and it looks like there isn't a place for the MAF.

Dude there is a pace for the maf! i have it, get it from cosmo racing

[Witchdoktor]

if the cai is not 2.25" you're asking for problems

[Witchdoktor]

Dude there is a pace for the maf! i have it, get it from cosmo racing


did you get your cel scanned ?

[IukekiniProtege]

witchdoktor, please go back and read my first post in this thread, its all about the Denso/Toyota MAF which doesnt send bad readings to the ECU when you have a CAI. true that anything bigger than 2.25" with the stock crappy, or even revised MAzda ZL-01 MAF you are asking for issues. But the maf that comes on the celcia GT-S and im sure a few other toyotas works perfectly with our cars, and our cars with cai.

Caedmon, heres a photo of the cai i edited it a bit, rotated it for better perspective, and then marked where the MAF goes.

[Caedmon7777]

witchdoktor, please go back and read my first post in this thread, its all about the Denso/Toyota MAF which doesnt send bad readings to the ECU when you have a CAI. true that anything bigger than 2.25" with the stock crappy, or even revised MAzda ZL-01 MAF you are asking for issues. But the maf that comes on the celcia GT-S and im sure a few other toyotas works perfectly with our cars, and our cars with cai.

Caedmon, heres a photo of the cai i edited it a bit, rotated it for better perspective, and then marked where the MAF goes.

I got one and the Bypass valve. I am going to get the MAF from The dealership soon. I can't wait!!!!! I hope everything works!!!!

[lilchild87]

Hey iukekini any idea how much the denso maf can be out of pepboys or autozone?

here's a pic of it and how it works

[lilchild87]

I got one and the Bypass valve. I am going to get the MAF from The dealership soon. I can't wait!!!!! I hope everything works!!!!

So you got the denso maf already? how much you paid?

post a pic of it

[IukekiniProtege]

well im sure its around the same price at those places as advanced auto.

the only difference in looks, is instead of having the mazda sticker and the part number "ZL-01" it says Toyota Denso on the top, with some other writing on it. The parts shape is exactally the same. So my guess is the sensors inside are slightly different which give a more accurate reading which isnt as sensitive to the pipe diameter of the intake.

if you really want a picture ill take on tomorrow after classes.

edit:
http://www.autozone.com/selectedZip,03301/initialAction,partProductDetail/initialpartType,00151/initialR,APP282744/initialvehicleId,2594301/shopping/selectZip.htm
the price is just a few bucks more at autozone. its $145 upfront then once u return the old MAF its $65 back to you leaving the price at $80ish for a new MAF

[Caedmon7777]

So you got the denso maf already? how much you paid?

post a pic of it

I am going to go to the Toyota Dealership and pick one up. I will post pics of everything when I get it!!!!

[lilchild87]

well im sure its around the same price at those places as advanced auto.

the only difference in looks, is instead of having the mazda sticker and the part number "ZL-01" it says Toyota Denso on the top, with some other writing on it. The parts shape is exactally the same. So my guess is the sensors inside are slightly different which give a more accurate reading which isnt as sensitive to the pipe diameter of the intake.

if you really want a picture ill take on tomorrow after classes.

edit:
http://www.autozone.com/selectedZip,03301/initialAction,partProductDetail/initialpartType,00151/initialR,APP282744/initialvehicleId,2594301/shopping/selectZip.htm
the price is just a few bucks more at autozone. its $145 upfront then once u return the old MAF its $65 back to you leaving the price at $80ish for a new MAF

My question is dumb but you unplug the wires form our maf and plug them to the denso one and thats it? or it comes with wires and stuff?

[Caedmon7777]

Alright this was discovered when i just replaced my MAF sensor. If you want a CAI or SRI and dont want the hesitation. Order a MAF for a 2000+ Toyota Celica GT-S(GT might work not confirmed though). ADvanced auto ordered me a new MAF when mine just died last week, it came to like $75 ($140 up front then when i gave him the old one i got the core charge back). What i recieved was a Toyota MAF sensor made by Denso, its the same one my buddies Celica GT-S has.

For the last week I have had no hesitation what so ever when in the 2,500-3,500 rpm range with my Injen CAI, i used to have bad enough hesitation where it jerked the car. so for anyone else willing to give it a shot let me know your results.

Just to double check, I am about to go to the Toyota dealership and get the MAF, It can be from 2000 Toyota Celica GT-S right?

[patsfan4life]

Yea is this a direct plug in to our cars? Cuase if so and this will solve the lag problem with 2.5inch intakes then im giong to get one.

[IukekiniProtege]

yes, the MAF i got is the same one from the 2000 celica GT-S idk about other toyotas, and it was a direct replacement for our cars, same plug and everything.

[Caedmon7777]

I got the 2000 Toyota Celica GTS MAF. I haven't opened it out of the package yet. I will take pics of it along with the CAI when that comes in!!! Thanks!!!!!

[IukekiniProtege]

yes, please post a picture, if u can comparing the new to the old. Ill take a picture of mine tonight too. but i don't have my old one because it went back to advanced for the core charge. You should be able to test the new one out in the stock intake as well, so you make sure it's going to work.

[lilchild87]

Then if its a direct plug i'll buy it! shit i have no money this weekend guys but next one i will.. can't wait to get it!!!

I will also post a video with my new exhaust ;)

[red95_240sx]

its a direct plug in. forget pix i wanna no results.

[patsfan4life]

yea results. at like 1/2 throttle when i get to 3500 it pulls hard, but lower than that it bogs--even wit hteh simota sri. i wana fix that and smooth out the powerband

[lilchild87]

yea results. at like 1/2 throttle when i get to 3500 it pulls hard, but lower than that it bogs--even wit hteh simota sri. i wana fix that and smooth out the powerband

So you have only headers? with stock exhaust? feel any gain?

some guys told to go full exhaust 2.25.. but other told me it will lose tq and the car is not gonna take off well until it gets 4,000

[red95_240sx]

so its better?

[lilchild87]

so its better?

idk..i was thinking instead of putting 2.25 pipes gut the 2nd cat but might get cel

[patsfan4life]

no it bogs wit the old maf...after 3500rpm is when it pulls. I want an even powerband. Not sit there wait for it wait for it wait for it wait for it GO! I want to know if the celica MAf will fix this. i Have inkate header and stock exhaust. Those alone i've felt a difference, but with the 2.5inch intake it bogs

[IukekiniProtege]

patsfan, it doesnt really retune the ecu, so its not going to be POWERFUL below that rpm, but its a hell of a lot smoother, before the celica MAF, it bogged my car so much that it jerked the car, then when i climbed over 3,500 it starte to gain power. Now with the celica MAF, i can actually shift from like 1st-2nd without having to go to like 5 grand, i can do like 3,000 and then step on the gas in second with it at low rpms and still accel decent enough.

for hard results, i made my first 1/4mile run right before i changed the MAF, i ran an 18.5 that was with like 55*F temp outside, the following week after i had to replace the MAF because it died i was able to run 18.1-18.0s all night with a best run of 17.9 with like a 65*F temp outside that night.

[patsfan4life]

oh ok--quarter mile times i can relate to. My car runs 17.9-18.1 pretty consistantly with the oem maf. Yea im not expecting more ponies under the hood or anything just a smoother acceleration. I'll prob go and get this maf censor and see how it do

[lilchild87]

patsfan, it doesnt really retune the ecu, so its not going to be POWERFUL below that rpm, but its a hell of a lot smoother, before the celica MAF, it bogged my car so much that it jerked the car, then when i climbed over 3,500 it starte to gain power. Now with the celica MAF, i can actually shift from like 1st-2nd without having to go to like 5 grand, i can do like 3,000 and then step on the gas in second with it at low rpms and still accel decent enough.

for hard results, i made my first 1/4mile run right before i changed the MAF, i ran an 18.5 that was with like 55*F temp outside, the following week after i had to replace the MAF because it died i was able to run 18.1-18.0s all night with a best run of 17.9 with like a 65*F temp outside that night.

thats a pretty good gain on time for just a maf.. i'll try to get it next weekend, plus the 2.25 pipes and a magnaflow muffler.

When i just put my cai i noticed a lost power between 2k-3,5k but is gone now idk why, but the cel is a pain in the ass 4 me

[red95_240sx]

i used to have the vtec lag problem too. Inner tube patch cleared it all up.

[lilchild87]

i used to have the vtec lag problem too. Inner tube patch cleared it all up.

vtec? as long as i know mazdas doesn't have vtec but hondas

[red95_240sx]

the lag remeinded me of v tec

[lilchild87]

the lag remeinded me of v tec

ups, nvm

[Caedmon7777]

Guys!!!! I got got everything installed. It runs very smooth. I can't punch it just yet because I am letting the new clutch and flywheel set in but after than I am going see how that really works. I don't feel any hesitation and made my exhaust sound a little better. Pics are coming soon when I have time.

[IukekiniProtege]

glad to hear its working out for you :)

[red95_240sx]

Im wondering if the celica MAF could also work with bigger tubing

[IukekiniProtege]

im using it on my injen cai which is 2.5" or 3" not quite sure, but it works on bigger than stock.

[red95_240sx]

ok....

[IukekiniProtege]

is that what you were asking? or did i miss something?

[IukekiniProtege]

Update: My Celica MAF is still working great. tonight I had my camera with me and decided to take two brief videos, one accelerating from 2,500rpms in 4th gear. With the old MAF i used to experience bad jerking and hesitation between 2k-3,500 rpms. See the difference. The second video is of my car siting at idle, watch how calm it is.
Acceleration:
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii187/webxdesigns/th_DSCF6317.jpg (http://s264.photobucket.com/albums/ii187/webxdesigns/?action=view&current=DSCF6317.flv)
Idle:
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii187/webxdesigns/th_DSCF6319.jpg (http://s264.photobucket.com/albums/ii187/webxdesigns/?action=view&current=DSCF6319.flv)

[red95_240sx]

Who wants to sit and watch ur stupid idle?

Glad for ya.

[IukekiniProtege]

dude you dont have to watch it, I posted it mainly updating that it still works great and wasn't just a temporary fix. I also posted it to help someone out who is thinking about buying the Celica MAF, and wanted visual proof it fixes the issues of jumpy idle, cel, and crap acceleration.

[red95_240sx]

LOL wait. Im confused. I dont know why i said "ok..." at post 77. I was just being sarcastic about watching the idle. Its all cool though. You have the injen intake right?

i just got a new job, so im gonna be looking into some things.

I have a SRI that stops like right behind the headlight. Keeping the 2.25" SRI on, Ive tried a 2.25" u pipe to relocate the filter where the coolant tank goes for cooler air. It pulled weaker. I then got a hold to a 3" u pipe that i used. It pulled harder donw low like it shud, but then up top, it was poo. Im wondering if the MAF is the cause. Any help on this?

[IukekiniProtege]

yes, I have the Injen cold air intake. It is 2.5" all the way through. As for your experiment I think it could be partially the maf, and with 2.25" piping all the way you shouldn't see much up high gains, but down low and mid range, the 3" pipe should gain up high not down low, but that's the opposite of what you are experiencing, so I have no idea.

[red95_240sx]

What about the rx8, MAzda3/6 MAF sensors? r they all the same as the celica?

[IukekiniProtege]

the one on my parents mazda3 has the same code on top of it as the stock protege on "ZL-01" so it's most likely not going to solve any issues.

[red95_240sx]

But they dont have problems liek we do.

[IukekiniProtege]

I dont know what to tell you, if you have access to one of those mafs, see if the owner will lt you test it out on your car. If it cures problems then maybe there is a difference. just going by part no. i dont see how it would be different. Then again the rx-8, m3, and m6 ecus might utilize the information coming from the maf differently.

Also, are the aftermarket intakes for those cars different size the stock?? or the same? if they are the same then we all know there will not be issues, and thats why it appears they do not have these problems

[red95_240sx]

The one for the MS6 looks 3inch

[IukekiniProtege]

wow, well you cant compare how a turbo car reacts to mods to how a n/a car reacts to mods, im sure the maf setup on the Mazdaspeed 3 and 6 can handle the increase in flow, and the ECU knows how to deal with more air.

[luwe]

what is the part number for that celica maf? and could you take a picture of it? i'd like to see if that part is available here. if the corolla or some other toyota car uses it then i can probably buy one for cheap and try it out myself.

[IukekiniProtege]

yeah, ill get the part number a bit later, i'm in a class right now, and i can post a picture as soon as i make it back to my dorm, The only corolla I know for sure that uses it is the corolla xrs with the 1.8l VVTL-i motor.

[luwe]

thanks. it'll be great if i can get the part number. a toyota dealership is practically next door to where i live right now

[IukekiniProtege]

i dont have a high quality version of the photo of the maf, but here is one

[luwe]

One last thing, could you type in the markings so that I know I'm getting the exact same one? Thanks.

[IukekiniProtege]

Toyota
22204-21010
197400-2000
Denso
Made In Japan
03T16

theres everything in order

[luwe]

thanks. now to look for it.

[red95_240sx]

You only have one screw on it?

[IukekiniProtege]

yeah, about that lol, it got cross threaded before i guess, when i went to change mafs it broke, still held down very well, no leaks

[red95_240sx]

Try to pull that off whit one of ours. It must be a good swap.

[IukekiniProtege]

yeah, i dont know, the toyota one has a nice fat o-ring to seal it, so i just pushed it down pretty firm, and then screwed it in being sure not to cross thread it again, but i live in New Hampshire and the roads are absolutely crap, frost heaves, pot holes, cracks, you name it, so my car gets bumped around a lot and it hasnt made the maf come loose, i might look into a screw/bolt extractor this spring and then retap the hole or something to be safe.

[red95_240sx]

I see u have a ram in front?

[IukekiniProtege]

where? did u see the picture of the front of my car? I did take out the driver side fog light delete cover, will work on more direct flow to the filter and brakes on both sides this spring, but as of now no gains int he 1/4 are shown, last fall i tried both with and without that cover, and no change was seen.

[red95_240sx]

I was looking in MOTM. ive tried making one from the hole by the coolant reservoir, to that area, but i really didnt use and hosing. Is possible with a few bends in it.

[IukekiniProtege]

yeah, I'm not sure if any type of ram affect is even worth the trouble. If you are willing to try it out before I get to it(I can't do too much, seeing how it hasn't been above 30*F in a while and way too cold to start taking stuff apart) I have heard that the fog light hole is not the best place for air to flow it, the pressure around that area drops dramatically as you get to the edge of the bumper. So, use of the big hole in between two fog light holes might be a safer bet for any type of gain. As usual the gain we are talking is so minimal, you most likely wont notice it.

[red95_240sx]

Ive been searching and i also see that its the same for the: 99-01 ES300
99-03 RX300
05-06 Scion Tc
00-04 Avalon
02-06 Camry 4 Cylinder
01-03 Prius
99-04 Tacoma 6 Cylinder
00-04 Tundra 6 Cylinder 5VZFE Engine
99-02 4Runner 6 Cylinder 5VZFE Engine
01-05 Highlander 6 Cylinder
06 Highlander 6 Cylinder non-Hybrid
01-03 Sienna 1MZFE Engine
02-06 Solara 4 Cylinder

?????????????????????????????????

[luwe]

hey guys instead of buying a new maf what i did was mate the stock intake with stainless steel piping to make a CAI. so far the car runs smoother than it did on my k&n intake.

[IukekiniProtege]

like i said in my first post, I'm sure it's used on alot of vehicles, however, the only one i can confirm for sure is the 2000 celica gt-s seeing how my friend has one and we compared the numbers, and they are the same, also I have been told by another friend of mine his 06 or w/e corolla xrs uses the same one, I have not compared numbers to confirm.

It is not uncommon for a company to use the same part such as a maf, on multiple vehicles in their line.

as for making your own type of intake I'm sure it works great, however, I go to shows around the area and I love the look of my injen cai under the hood.

[Caedmon7777]

I finally for the pic of the MAF and the vids. Here they are.
MAF
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj86/Caedmon7777/IMG_0288.jpg

Intake
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj86/Caedmon7777/IMG_0289.jpg

Engine
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj86/Caedmon7777/IMG_0287.jpg

Take off from 1st
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj86/Caedmon7777/th_MVI_0286.jpg (http://s270.photobucket.com/albums/jj86/Caedmon7777/?action=view&current=MVI_0286.flv)

Take off from 3rd
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj86/Caedmon7777/th_MVI_0285.jpg (http://s270.photobucket.com/albums/jj86/Caedmon7777/?action=view&current=MVI_0285.flv)

[red95_240sx]

And what type of intake is that?

[Caedmon7777]

And what type of intake is that?

that's the Cosmo Racing CAI. I would have gotten the Injen but they don't make the CAI for the 1.6 anymore.

[red95_240sx]

whats the piping diameter of it?

[Caedmon7777]

whats the piping diameter of it?

2.5 to the engine and 2.5 all the way out.

[red95_240sx]

cool...

[toronto]

Interesting stuff.

[IukekiniProtege]

so Caedmon7777, you like it much better now i presume. The video shows pretty smooth acceleration.

[Caedmon7777]

so Caedmon7777, you like it much better now i presume. The video shows pretty smooth acceleration.

YES Thanks so much for giving us the heads up on that!!!!

[red95_240sx]

I ordered one, should be in this week...

[red95_240sx]

well....nothing drastic. its alot harder to disturb than mazda's sensor. I didnt reset the ECU and i also put the cold air bend back on my SRI. not really sure if theres a difference. but i knew the bend made the car slower with the mazda sensor.

[IukekiniProtege]

well like the original post, there shouldn't have been any significant power gains, just smoother acceleration through the rpms. Are you still getting some hesitation or jerking when accelerating?

[red95_240sx]

only when im trying to speed up w/o downshifting sometimes at interstate speeds, but I really didnt have any problems before.

I guess it was only calrified that it would allow the 1.6L to use aftermarket intakes, and not make them faster huh? lol.

[IukekiniProtege]

well yeah, it helps make it smoother, not faster, i think only a turbo will allow that to happen. Although, I did see a slight gain in 1/4 mile times due to the smoother acceleration.
So, your still getting hesitation and jerking when accelerating without down shifting?

[red95_240sx]

no, there is no hesitation. but a lil jerking like its choking. this is only around 70-80mph.

[coopdog]

I tried the MAF swap It works really well. The MAF needed Is for the 2ZZGE 1.8L engine in a Celica GT-S

I had a Cosmo Racing CAI and got the DAM CEL light I Liked the sound and seat dyno power but I hate the light so It's gotta go. with the stock tube runs out nice and no CEL I'm also Getting rid of my Cosmo Racing CAI at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mazda-Protege-cold-air-intake-Cosmo-racing-kit_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ38634QQihZ019QQitem Z290210349435QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW


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[red95_240sx]

yeah my light is still on, but it runs right.

Looks like one heck of a relocation for the MAF. Im gonna watch it...

[toronto]

any hesitation? i'm interested.
I tried the MAF swap It works really well. The MAF needed Is for the 2ZZGE 1.8L engine in a Celica GT-S

I had a Cosmo Racing CAI and got the DAM CEL light I Liked the sound and seat dyno power but I hate the light so It's gotta go. with the stock tube runs out nice and no CEL I'm also Getting rid of my Cosmo Racing CAI at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mazda-Protege-cold-air-intake-Cosmo-racing-kit_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ38634QQihZ019QQitem Z290210349435QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW


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[coopdog]

any hesitation? i'm interested.
No hesitation with the stock tube but some with a CAI on I think it's the size it's a 2.500" tube it realy needs to be 2 1/4" It makes the ecm think it's getting to much air and kicks a CEL light. so it thinks it's running lean and I don't have a wide band to see if it realy is.

[red95_240sx]

i think he meant with the toyota sensor.

[coopdog]

My bad
With the 2zzge sensor in it runs really nice. but it's still a 30mpg 1.6 not a real beast. but worth the mod make it alot nicer to drive. IMO

[ottawaprotege]

For my 1.6 I have varied intake piping sizes for my CAI, starting at 3" right at the filter which is located in front of the wheel well behind the bumper, then to 2.75" up to the MAF, then 2.5 after the MAF. All I did was cut out the MAF and its pipe from the stock intake and used that little piece of pipe to connect the 2.5" with the 2.75". I haven't noticed any hesitation or jerking unless the engine is cold, compared to when it was stock or to when i had an SRI. The only thing i noticed was that the idle went down to about 450 from 750, but that was easily fixed by adjsuting the idle back to 700. Also the sound is unbeleivable with the varied diameters compared to the SRI and the single diameter piping CAI because the different sized piping creates different tones as the air gets sucked through. Just thought id share that.

[IukekiniProtege]

well the reason why you didn't get any hesitation with that setup, is because you had the MAF sitting in the stock 2.25" piece of plastic, so the air got squished down to that size pass the sensor. I really don't think anything bigger then 2.5" is needed. 3" is just overkill for our tiny motor.

[red95_240sx]

well the reason why you didn't get any hesitation with that setup, is because you had the MAF sitting in the stock 2.25" piece of plastic, so the air got squished down to that size pass the sensor. I really don't think anything bigger then 2.5" is needed. 3" is just overkill for our tiny motor.

what about a 3" bend on the end of a 2.25" SRI?

[toronto]

well the reason why you didn't get any hesitation with that setup, is because you had the MAF sitting in the stock 2.25" piece of plastic, so the air got squished down to that size pass the sensor. I really don't think anything bigger then 2.5" is needed. 3" is just overkill for our tiny motor.any CEL?

[ottawaprotege]

No CEL from the MAF, and as far as 3" being overkill goes, it's not really there for performance it's mostly there for sound, having that 3" section really gives the intake a throaty sound, you can't even hear my exhaust over the intake.

[IukekiniProtege]

still overkill either way, the 2.5" Injen is loud as hell too, idk 3" just seems big, but if thats what you are wanting, and its working out, more power to yah.

red pro... why would you do 3" the point i was making is that its not needed, 2.25"-2.5" is PLENTY for the 1.6liters of fury. also if its right before the maf, im pretty sure a crap load of turbulence will be created at the different sized pipe intersection and probably make it run crappier.

[red95_240sx]

its a 3" elbow on a 2.25" SRI though. the MAF is at the 2.25" area.
my frien dlost my 2.25" elbow

[IukekiniProtege]

well, if you want the elbow, and you lost the other one then sure use the 3" if thats available for you. Looking at it from a performance aspect you will not see a difference.

[red95_240sx]

u mean between 2.25 and 3' elbow?

[IukekiniProtege]

yes, but if its what you have laying around and you lost the other one, it should work fine.

[toronto]

what about a 3" bend on the end of a 2.25" SRI?i have a 3'' bend after the maf pipe 2.25, it works fine no hesitation with a custom made 2.25 piece of pipe that i had made but i changed over to the plastic tube from the stock air box and now there's hesitation, the only reason i changed it over is because i think the custom made piece leakes , so i'm trying to get the toyota maf.

[red95_240sx]

haha. did i unplug the batt.?

[99 ProLX]

Can someone please clarify or elaborate on the "hesitation" you are experiencing like when and at which RPM's. .. I have the Simota SRI and I don't really experience anything too bad..

Also, do you guys think that it would be worth it to replace my Simota SRI with one of those Cosmo CAI's.. (would I notice any power difference)

[IukekiniProtege]

ok for me the hesitation was a jerking feeling where if i was between 2,500-3,500rpms the entire car would start to jerk violently and loose speed requiring me to downshift if i was going up hill...The simota SRI I believe is 2.25" so your all set and is why you have no hesitation...you will not notice a difference other then maybe sound if u go with a CAI. I hope that helps you

[ottawaprotege]

Actually i find with the CAI if you drive during the day and its like 35 degrees out, then take it out at night once its like ~10 degrees. Your car will run alot smoother and crisper,

[IukekiniProtege]

that's quite a bit of work for a little smoother running, I don't think it justifies the $100-$200 for a cai and what happens come summer?

[99 ProLX]

ok for me the hesitation was a jerking feeling where if i was between 2,500-3,500rpms the entire car would start to jerk violently and loose speed requiring me to downshift if i was going up hill...The simota SRI I believe is 2.25" so your all set and is why you have no hesitation...you will not notice a difference other then maybe sound if u go with a CAI. I hope that helps you



Thank you

[red95_240sx]

that's quite a bit of work for a little smoother running, I don't think it justifies the $100-$200 for a cai and what happens come summer?

I know right!! Its getting warm, and my car is all most frustrating!!! Ive been poot putting to save gas though so ion no if its me or what.

i was thinking hesitation was the vtecish lag u get when u go WOT.

The hesitation iukekini talks about, i call it jerkinjg. my car does it around 3k at 60+ in 4th gear, when u try to sped up w/o pushing it hard enough to downshift, it seems like the engine chokes. jurka lurka

[ottawaprotege]

that's quite a bit of work for a little smoother running, I don't think it justifies the $100-$200 for a cai and what happens come summer?

My CAI is custom, i definately did not spend 100$ on it, all you need is silicone couplers and piping of your choice. And when summer comes along, it runs just fine what i was saying was at night it runs better cause its colder outside.

[toronto]

i figured out something, i think why i don't get any hesitation/jerking with my custom made maf pipe is because the maf sits a little sideways in the intake pipe, as soon as i installed it back the hesitation/jerling was gone, does not make any sense to me except for one thing my 2nd oxygen sensor needs to be relocated behind the aftermarket cat that i have on because my stock cat is empty you can see right through it. that's why i had a hard time passing my last emissions test

[red95_240sx]

u gutted it?

[toronto]

u gutted it?no it burned out, i think they all do after a number of years. but for me , i blew a cylinder on my last engine and it was running rich so all the unburned gas probably helped to gut out what was left.

[red95_240sx]

cool. i wanna burn mine out...

[silver_astina02]

For my 1.6 I have varied intake piping sizes for my CAI, starting at 3" right at the filter which is located in front of the wheel well behind the bumper, then to 2.75" up to the MAF, then 2.5 after the MAF. All I did was cut out the MAF and its pipe from the stock intake and used that little piece of pipe to connect the 2.5" with the 2.75". I haven't noticed any hesitation or jerking unless the engine is cold, compared to when it was stock or to when i had an SRI. The only thing i noticed was that the idle went down to about 450 from 750, but that was easily fixed by adjsuting the idle back to 700. Also the sound is unbeleivable with the varied diameters compared to the SRI and the single diameter piping CAI because the different sized piping creates different tones as the air gets sucked through. Just thought id share that.

I have to say that this is the best way to get around the hesitation problems if any. I did it same way using 2.5" OD pipe but thicker (ID is 2.25"). Two questions thou:

1) From your avitar, it shows the filter is still in engine bay?

2) The amasing sound that you were talking about - how does it compare with a SRI - thats my current set-up. I intend to extend the pipe to the wheel well using 3" bend.
Cheers.

[Arnhem]

I tried out a 2002(2000+) Toyota Celica 1.8 1ZZFE maf but it was even worse than the original MAF. I didn't have any jerkings with my injen on my 1.5 ZL but i'd figure i'd try it out, see what it does.

Unfortunately the car was sooo laggy. The throttle response was 3 seconds behind before it would move a bit.

I'll post the pic of it asap.
These are the numbers on it:

TOYOTA
22204-22010
197400-2030
DENSO
Made in Japan

12U02

I just saw the GT has a 1ZZFE engine and the GT-S a 2ZZGE engine.

[red95_240sx]

well...the main problem i believe is diameter and the seal

[island-p5]

there are holes in my bumper when the car came from japan.

[IukekiniProtege]

I tried out a 2002(2000+) Toyota Celica 1.8 1ZZFE maf but it was even worse than the original MAF. I didn't have any jerkings with my injen on my 1.5 ZL but i'd figure i'd try it out, see what it does.

Unfortunately the car was sooo laggy. The throttle response was 3 seconds behind before it would move a bit.

I'll post the pic of it asap.
These are the numbers on it:

TOYOTA
22204-22010
197400-2030
DENSO
Made in Japan

12U02

I just saw the GT has a 1ZZFE engine and the GT-S a 2ZZGE engine.

yes the GT has a completely different motor then the on in the GT-S, which might be ur issue, also did u reset your ecu? And did u make sure everything was sealed right? and also the motor was running well before?

i did post my numbers back a ways:
Toyota
22204-21010
197400-2000
Denso
Made In Japan
03T16

[Arnhem]

It was for testing purposes only, as somewhere in the thread you or somebody was wondering if the regular GT maf would work.

Everything was set up properly but it didn't gave any good results.
My car has no issues but i'd thought it could be informative for you guys with the 1.6 and a CAI.

My car is running properly with the Injen cai. No hesitations or rough idleing.
Only thing rough is the 95 durometer awr front mount (screwy)

[IukekiniProtege]

only the front 95duro mm? lol i have the rear at 95 and tranny, its nothing...haha actually it is bad at times..but thanks for the info and i updated the first post saying that the GT will not work.

[toronto]

I have to say that this is the best way to get around the hesitation problems if any. I did it same way using 2.5" OD pipe but thicker (ID is 2.25"). Two questions thou:

1) From your avitar, it shows the filter is still in engine bay?

2) The amasing sound that you were talking about - how does it compare with a SRI - thats my current set-up. I intend to extend the pipe to the wheel well using 3" bend.
Cheers.cai sounds way better than the sri you don't even have to rev that high to hear it, i love it, car sounds even better with a custom exhaust and headers

[mpsam]

so it really solved the problem? has anybody else tried it?

[red95_240sx]

my answer in the other thread. good searching.

[sv452]

sorry to sounds stupid but what is a MAF?? and can someone tell me where i can find my OBDII to connector. i have a 2003 mazda right hand drive. i been looking for mine and cant find it anywhere.

[red95_240sx]

under the dash on the drivers side. MAF is for Mass airflow sensor

[protokid]

hey guys i was noticing today about my MAF since i was reading this post and i have the stock everything in my car and i was looking at my MAF and it says Toyota on it and i want to know if this is the right one i got this car like 5 month ago and now is that i notice well one thing i notice alot even with the stock air filter its like sucking up alot.... please help me on this i dont want to be having something bad in my car....

Toyota
22204-21010
197400-2000
Denso
Made in Japan

and overall which is the best CAI for the 1.6 ?? and please post link

[IukekiniProtege]

that is the correct Celica MAF, so someone has already got it for you, i would be interested to know if the previous owner was a member of the forum.

With the stock intake you will be safe to run the MAF i did for a couple months after this motor went in. As for the best intake i really like the look and quality of my Injen, however its not made so good luck finding it still..Cosmo makes a similar one, and also if you want one with stock pipe diameter the simota is the best, but with that MAF, you can run either 2.25" tubing or 2.5" tubing, can confirm 3"(which is overkill).

[protokid]

that is the correct Celica MAF, so someone has already got it for you, i would be interested to know if the previous owner was a member of the forum.

With the stock intake you will be safe to run the MAF i did for a couple months after this motor went in. As for the best intake i really like the look and quality of my Injen, however its not made so good luck finding it still..Cosmo makes a similar one, and also if you want one with stock pipe diameter the simota is the best, but with that MAF, you can run either 2.25" tubing or 2.5" tubing, can confirm 3"(which is overkill).


hey i really dont know if the person who i bought the car from was a part of the forum and hey also whats better for the 1.6 cai or sri and can u please post some link on the cai ??

[red95_240sx]

Ud be best to buy from the protphile guy on the last page. thats really the only option.

[protokid]

Ud be best to buy from the protphile guy on the last page. thats really the only option.

but is the cosmo CAI any good i heard its good and cheap

[red95_240sx]

but where do u see one for sale??? lol

[protokid]

but where do u see one for sale??? lol

http://www.cosmoracing.com/productinfo.asp?cid=193&pid=712 well i saw it here in their website and also i was looking and there is a place that sells injen and are weapon R any good ??

http://www.shop.com/Injen_Cold_Air_Intakes_Polished-30078039-40958842-p!.shtml?sourceid=298

if u scroll to the bottom u will find it for the 1999-2000 protege 1.6 for $227.66 and they have in stock but i think only polished

[IukekiniProtege]

the cosmo is very similar in design to the Injen, just two piece rather then one(no difference in performance, its just a look thing. the weapon R short ram is what red99pro has i believe. I believe the area where the MAF screws to on the weapon R is prone to leaking and therefore you need to make a gasket from a tube patch. Personally I would never buy the Injen CAI again. It really shows no gains, its a sound and appearance mod thats it. If you go with cosmo, then make sure you get a nice filter, K&N, AEM DryFlow, or Injen.

Injen Celica MAF needed:
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii187/webxdesigns/DSCF7906copy.jpg

Cosmo Celica MAF needed:
http://www.cosmoracing.com/sale/gallery/cai-protege-323f-1.6L.jpg

Weapon R w/ gasket made Celica MAF not Really needed:
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii187/webxdesigns/PIC-0576.jpg

Simota 2.25" Short Ram from Protephile Stock Mazda MAF is fine to use or Celica MAF:
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii187/webxdesigns/16LSRIINS.jpg

[red95_240sx]

aaahh hey thats my pic.!!!

Id get the simota, its alot cheaper and safer than those.

2nd choice, id get the cosmo, since its two peice. The first half of the cosmo is about the length of my SRI with the 90 elbow attachment.

i think the injen may just be too long for our crazy engine, but ive never experienced a 1.6L with the filter way in the bumper.

[red95_240sx]

oh the celica MAF is not needed with the weapon-r once u get the seal good. so if u dont have a celica MAF, u cud subtract that from the total cost.

[IukekiniProtege]

oh really? what is the diameter of the weaponR pipe? and if you dont want your image up there let me know ill take it off, i just went searching, figured it was informative to show it.

oh and as for the length of the injen, it really doesn't affect anything. I just put my stock intake back on today in preperation of winter(I don't want have a repeat of last year's puddle incident). No difference in performance, just A LOT quieter.

[red95_240sx]

oh its cool, im j/k about the pic.

I believe the weapon-r is 2.25 too. I kinda want the cosmo or injen, it wud probly be hella loud.

[IukekiniProtege]

its pretty loud lol...but i have never heard a sri. Dont buy the injen not worth the price, the cosmo like i said before is basically the same

[red95_240sx]

its pretty loud after 5k, much like a honda b16 or so. awww, i didnt say that. :-x

[protokid]

thanks alot every1 i think i just gonna get the cosmo with a good filter and thats preety much about it and i also found my swap i found a bp 1.8 turbo and i wanted to know that if i get the cosmo CAI would i still be able to use it for my new motor. the only reason im doing the swap its because i have a 1999 protege with 193k

[IukekiniProtege]

well see thats a cool idea. I dont know if the mounting locations for the BP are the same as the ZM, and also expect to have to do a lot of wiring. You are going from OBD-II to OBD-I have fun with that. If you are going to go through all the work might as well do the KL-ZE swap. Going to be about the same price and you will start off with a 2.5L V6 with 200hp to the crank which is more then the turbo BP stock i believe. If you get any other motor then the ZM the cosmo will not work just FYI, well you could cut the piping and use pieces as intercooler piping, but thats about it.


red99pro: don't say its like a Honda EWWW. And we don't get rasp like they do haha. I'll link you to a vid of my car inside with the cai and good pull, its kinda loud.

[red95_240sx]

well a honda with an intake and no exhaust ;-)

[IukekiniProtege]

ok I guess I will allow that haha, yeah a b16 with just intake does sound similar to our motors, kind of.

[red95_240sx]

xcept over 6.5k. it sounds more like a k20 then, which is bad, very bad

[IukekiniProtege]

lol i wouldnt know, and wouldnt want to know what my motor sounds liek past redline lol

[red95_240sx]

lol it wud sound like its going faster. lol

[IukekiniProtege]

haha thanks for the awesome description of what it would sound like :-P

[Rav3rs]

If I'm going to make my own SRI, what diameter piping should I use with this MAF?

[red95_240sx]

2.25"

[Rav3rs]

Also, do you know if there are any guides/instructions on making your own short ram intake? I can't find any stores that locally carry any kits for the 1.6L(autozone, advance, oreillys, napa, pepboys etc), and I can't order anything online. :[

[red95_240sx]

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123737367

[waxhead]

i put one on my std car
it made the driveability so much better

[PROTEGEBORI00]

I have weapon-r installed on my 2000 protege lx 1.6, is there a specific gasket that i need for it??

167982

[PROTEGEBORI00]

I finally for the pic of the MAF and the vids. Here they are.
MAF
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj86/Caedmon7777/IMG_0288.jpg

Intake
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj86/Caedmon7777/IMG_0289.jpg

Engine
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj86/Caedmon7777/IMG_0287.jpg

Take off from 1st
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj86/Caedmon7777/th_MVI_0286.jpg (http://s270.photobucket.com/albums/jj86/Caedmon7777/?action=view&current=MVI_0286.flv)

Take off from 3rd
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj86/Caedmon7777/th_MVI_0285.jpg (http://s270.photobucket.com/albums/jj86/Caedmon7777/?action=view&current=MVI_0285.flv)

[PROTEGEBORI00]

I have weapon-r installed on my 2000 protege lx 1.6, is there a specific gasket that i need for it??

167982

[Kaido]

dats awesome!

[99prolx]

Thanks for the heads up. but i got this celica gt-s maf sensor on my protege with a 2.5 inch intake like the injen and i am still experiencing some hesitation and rough idle. not nearly as bad as with the stock maf sensor but its really annoying. any other suggestions?

[xxxmonoxidechil]

toss the stock intake back on, and see if it still does it. your issues might not even be intake related. could be an ignition issue. and the only way to know, is by tossing the stock intake back on, and see if the problem still persist.

[jlt012]

I have been having some similar problems recently but with a 2.0.. I put on a short ram about a year ago, and for the past 3 months I have had some pretty bad hesitation during acceleration. Once in a while it will also kick a little while sitting at a light. I ran a diagnostic and no codes came up either.

[PROTEGEBORI00]

I went to autozone and they told me that there is 2 type of engine of celcia gt-s. Which is the right one?? R 1.8l mfi dohc or y 1.8l mfi dohc??

[IukekiniProtege]

the GT-S came only with the 2ZZ-GE motor the GT came with the 1ZZ-FE the gts came in two trims the regular GT-S and the TRD "sport" package which featured a lip kit and wing. The Car's engine and power output was the same as the regular GT-S. Just have them cross check to confirm that MAF for their R 1.8l mfi and their Y 1.8l mfi are the same part. If they are then it doesnt matter. But, there were two actual different motors with these cars. Autozone is full of morons anyways. You could just go onto their website, look up the part number and go to the store and order it that way dont even tell them the make or model just say i have a part number for the MAF i need.

[Argie]

Well,i got the Totota celica gt-s mAF today,replaced for the old one and my car was running really rough,stalled 3 times on my way home and sitting on neutral runs at 400 RPM until finally stalled.
So i swap again for the old one and run smooth and normal now.
So if anyone wants it let me know,i bought it brand new on ebay and i have proof of purchase.
i doubt they will receive this item back.
so anyone interested pM me and i will post the proper pic and discuss price.
Tomorrow i'll go to the autopart and get the mazda MAF.

[IukekiniProtege]

does the celica one have the rubber o-ring on it? Also, did u buy from a normal company on ebay that typically sells out of a store? or did you buy it from joe blow with one listed?

[Argie]

Here's some pic of it.
i bought it on ebay for $74.
Take a look at the pics and tell me.
I really hate it the way my car was shaking and terrible idle.
Maybe having CAI changes everything,don't know,but at this point i just going to buy the Mazda MAF.
The pic that shows the MAF on the engine is the one i have since i bought the car,don't know if ever got replaced before.

[mapa19]

i've got it installed now and i LOVE IT. i have the injen SRI and it always hesitated ~2500-3500rpms and once i did that, the engine feels smoother and idles better too. :) i'm lovin' it!