Official Pontiac G8, G8 ST, and G8 GXP news and details

[ForceFed]

The truck..will for sure be on the top of my list for new vehicles in a couple of years.
Love it.
Nuff said.

[mikeyb]

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PRESS RELEASE:
PONTIAC ANNOUNCES THE 2009 G8 GXP

High-Performance Flagship Combines Progressive Design and Powerful Performance

NEW YORK – Today Pontiac announced the flagship of its GXP performance series, the G8 GXP high-performance sedan, at the New York Auto Show. This 2009 model will join the Solstice, G6 and Torrent GXP models in Pontiac dealerships in late 2008. The G8 GXP takes the G8's responsive driving experience, refined passenger environment and aggressive good looks to a new level. It also delivers an enjoyable driving experience, thanks to a 6.2L V-8 that produces in excess of 400 horsepower.

"More than just raw power, the GXP delivers the sophisticated yet exciting driving experience that enthusiasts expect in a car costing far more than the GXP," said Jim Bunnell, Buick-Pontiac-GMC general manager

Engine performance

The heart of the G8 GXP is the 6.2L LS3 small-block V-8, currently rated at 402 horsepower (300 kW)* and 402 lb.-ft. of torque (546 Nm)* pending final SAE certification. This engine is the newest member of GM's small-block V-8 family. It features a revised, larger-bore cylinder block, high-flow, L92-style cylinder heads; larger-diameter pistons; unique camshaft and camshaft timing; revised valvetrain with offset intake rocker arms; high-flow intake manifold; and high-flow fuel injectors.

The LS3 engine has an aluminum cylinder block with cast-in-place iron cylinder liners. Larger bores help create a 376-cubic-inch displacement. The block casting also features revisions and machining in the bulkheads to enhance its strength and improve bay-to-bay breathing. New pistons were designed for high-rpm performance.

New, high-flow cylinder heads aid engine breathing and are based on the large port and valve design found on the LS7 engine and other GM L76 engines. The larger-capacity, straighter intake port-design optimizes intake flow to the combustion chamber, an effect augmented by large valves, measuring 2.16 inches (55.0 mm) on the intake side and 1.59 inches (40.4 mm) on the exhaust side.

Pending final testing, the G8 GXP is expected to deliver 0-to-60 mph performance of about 4.7 seconds, and a quarter-mile time of 13.0 seconds at 108 mph.

Six on the floor

A new six-speed Tremec TR6060 manual transmission is optional on the G8 GXP. This next-generation manual smoothly transfers the engine's power and torque to the rear wheels with a reduction in shift throw. The transmission features a host of refinements including premium gear synchronizers; stronger gears, housing, and bell housing; a single-piece counter shaft; and machined gear teeth.

The standard Hydra-Matic six-speed 6L80 automatic transmission is technologically advanced and robust. It uses a clutch-to-clutch operation and an integrated 32-bit transmission controller to deliver smooth and precise shifts. The six-speed has a generous 6.04:1 overall ratio that enables a "steep" first-gear. The result is strong launch acceleration along with "tall" overdrive ratios that lower engine rpms for better fuel economy and reduced noise.

A 3.27 final drive ratio comes with automatic-equipped GXPs, and a 3.70 gear is matched with the manual transmission. A limited-slip differential is standard.

High-performance suspension

The G8 GXP rides on the G8's 114.8-inch (2915 mm) wheelbase with wide front ( 62.7 inches / 1,592 mm) and rear ( 63.3 inches / 1,608 mm) tracks. The four-wheel independent suspension is fully adjustable and is tuned for the highest performance in the G8 family. The GXP's ride and handling was developed and validated on racetracks and highways around the world, including the famed Nürburgring racing circuit. It rewards the driver with sharp, immediate responses, as well as a well-balanced road feel during spirited driving.

The suspension employs a MacPherson strut design in the front and a four-link, coil-over-shock design in the rear. A direct-acting front stabilizer bar, decoupled rear stabilizer bar and lateral ball joints on the rear suspension deliver increased lateral stiffness for more responsive handling. The front suspension features fully adjustable caster, camber and toe; the rear suspension has fully adjustable camber and toe, for more precise tuning.

Steering and brakes

The steering rate for the GXP is tuned to provide immediate response with definitive driver feedback. Like the G8 sedan and GT, the GXP's steering box is located ahead of the front axle line for a quicker, more direct feel.

The Brembo braking system matches the GXP's boost in performance with an equivalent increase in stopping power. The system includes 14-inch (355 mm) vented front and 12.76-inch (324 mm) rear disc rotors, with special quad-piston alloy calipers in front. The alloy calipers on the rear brakes have single-piston actuation. The four-wheel disc brake system includes standard anti-lock brakes and traction control.

Wheels and tires

The GXP rides on 19-inch polished aluminum wheels with a special machined face. Performance-oriented summer P245/40R19 tires are standard, and a comparable all-season tire is available. Combined with the suspension and steering enhancements, this setup gives the GXP exceptional cornering grip.

Exterior styling

The G8 GXP exhibits strong Pontiac design cues. A unique front fascia with a lower splitter and a distinctive rear fascia diffuser contribute to its sporty look. The dual-port grille, fog lamps, bold wheels and confident, wheels-at-the-corners stance are all unmistakably Pontiac traits.

Interior amenities and comfort

The G8 GXP's interior is driver-oriented with aesthetic and tactile details like instruments with a sporty appearance that match the car's performance. Interior materials consist of satin and chrome trim and high-quality textured materials throughout. The instrument cluster glows with crisp, white light on the primary instruments. Pontiac's signature red lighting illuminates the rest of the instrument panel cluster.

Standard comfort and convenience amenities include:

<LI _extended="true">Highly bolstered two-tone sport seats with color-coordinated gauge cluster and GXP embroidery <LI _extended="true">Leather-trimmed steering wheel and gear shifter <LI _extended="true">Power-adjustable front seats <LI _extended="true">Fog lamps <LI _extended="true">Alloy sport pedals <LI _extended="true">A 230-watt Blaupunkt audio system
XM Satellite RadioThe seats offer firm support to hold occupants in place during aggressive cornering. The standard heated leather seats were designed to deliver excellent comfort during long drives. They are available in Ebony or an Ebony/Red two-tone.

Safety

Maintaining the G8's tradition of a full suite of standard safety features, the G8 GXP includes:

<LI style="FONT-STYLE: italic" _extended="true">Four-wheel disc brakes with ABS and traction control <LI style="FONT-STYLE: italic" _extended="true">Electronic stability control <LI style="FONT-STYLE: italic" _extended="true">Seat-mounted thorax air bags and dual-stage frontal air bags for front passengers, with automatic passenger sensing system <LI style="FONT-STYLE: italic" _extended="true">Roof rail side-impact air bags for both seating rows
OnStar

[mikeyb]

I don't know why I like that little truck. its so cool.

Because its different

[tunersteve]

Damn that is a sweet sweet car! I'm glad they finally used the concept style wheels on this. Why'd I have to go and get my 6 now?

[coolmazda5]

GXP and El Camino? Now we are talking double (bump)

...now imagine an El Camino GXP (drive2)...

[CantCMe]

I'll pass on the "El Camino", but that orange G8 is gorgeous!!

[mikeyb]

I want a G8 GT sportwagen. Dammit!

[coolmazda5]

^^ True, a pickup truck over a wagon, that is kind of sad :(. Who is the only one venturing with new wagons this year for NA? VW?

[mikeyb]

^BMW, Audi, Benz, Volvo, Subaru, and Saab.

[dmitrik4]

I want a G8 GT sportwagen. Dammit!

+1. come on GM, make with the wagon!

[mikeyb]

+1. come on GM, make with the wagon!

Holden has the Commodore sport wagon. I think GM is afraid it will be a sales flop like the Dodge Magnum. Which I see all over the place.

[mikeyb]

I love it in this color!!

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[coolmazda5]

I love it in this color!!


Is that the same color shown on the last SEMA? (cheers)

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[dmitrik4]

Holden has the Commodore sport wagon. I think GM is afraid it will be a sales flop like the Dodge Magnum. Which I see all over the place.

i know...doesn't lessen my desire for an G8 wagon. part of the Magnum's problem was that, while it's a cool car, it's not a very good wagon...the cargo area is tiny.

[mikeyb]

i know...doesn't lessen my desire for an G8 wagon. part of the Magnum's problem was that, while it's a cool car, it's not a very good wagon...the cargo area is tiny.

The cargo area is tiny. I think my sis's 06 Legacy 2.5i wagon as more room. I see a charcoal R/T with black rims every morning. I just love it.

[dmitrik4]

the leg definitely has more room; i at least considered the subie b/c my dogs would fit. there was no chance they'd fit in the magnum.

[mikeyb]

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Whenever a new performance car hits the market, a quick trip to the dyno always seems to be the first priority. This phenomenon again holds true for the new Pontiac G8 GT. After having driven the sport sedan, we remarked that the sedan's 6.0-liter small block V8 engine provided "a glorious combination of aural assault and potent propulsion." We do love us some alliteration! Getting back to the dyno, the good people over at PCMforless have already put their new G8 GT on a Dynojet for a few pulls. The first pull yielded 286.62 ponies and the second, after a bit of tuning, wrung the bell at 310.37 galloping horses. Factoring in drivetrain loss of about 15%, those numbers are (surprise!) right in line with the 361 horsepower that Pontiac is claiming for the G8 GT.

While over 300 horsepower is mighty impressive for a 30K-ish sport sedan, we'd be remiss if we didn't at least mention that the 2009 G8 GXP will be packing another 40 horsies underhood. Oh yeah... and a clutch. Check out a video of the full-pull after the jump, where you'll no doubt enjoy some of that glorious aural assault.

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[mikeyb]

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The rapturous reception to the Pontiac G8 sedan has even taken the car's most passionate boosters inside GM by surprise. And while no senior GM exec is prepared to commit to a sales number for the G8 ST - "We just don't know what it will do," says Bob Lutz - some insiders are starting to wonder if they might have missed an opportunity by not launching a G8 wagon as well.

Lutz confirms the wagon - based on the stylish Holden Commodore wagon (pictured top) - was part of the original G8 product plan, but that GM couldn't get the numbers to add up. "I had to lose one of them [to make the program work financially]," Lutz admits. The high-performance GXP (bottom) was a no-brainer, and the ST made the cut because marketers figured it would generate more buzz for the Pontiac brand.

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But there's this sub-text to the decision: No-one at GM is totally convinced Americans are ready for the return of the station wagon. One source confided there's a lot of nervousness over the decision to build a Cadillac CTS wagon (scheduled to debut at the Paris Show this fall). Cadillac planners banked on solid demand for a wagon in Europe to get the car past the beancounters.

GM's reluctance doesn't mean a G8 wagon is off the agenda for good, however. If the G8 buzz continues to build, and if gas prices continue to rise, encouraging consumers to look for alternatives to large, truck-based SUVs, the wagon program could be easily revisited at relatively nominal expense, say insiders.

So there it is. If you want a sporty, good looking Pontiac wagon, start making some noise and waving your pocket-books. GM is all ears right now.

[TinmanMS6]

Ok, the ST creating "buzz" I'll agree with, sales, though, not so much.

I would be all over a G8 GT Sportwagon.

[CHICO2003]

Saw an orange G8 GT at a local dealership today so I stopped by. Being Easter, they were closed... but I at least was able to get a good look at it.

Though it's a tad big for my needs, I think it looks awesome. Nice clean look... the rear (with the dual/dual exhausts and the slick tail lights) might be its best angle imo... but they're all good. Inside everything looked about the same as all the pictures would indicate... sort've sucks that it only comes in AT. that's a dealbreaker for me... but I guess that'll be changing soon. It also needs a nav system... In today's day and age, you have to at least make it an option! It's not like they don't have the space for it. The blaupunkt unit is a double-din size... but whatever. The car is badass. Not sure I'd be able to rock rwd around these parts but hey...snow's only on the road a handful of days per year so maybe it's doable.

the only thing that's not doable is me chunkin down $35+k... Pontiac is marketing this as the most powerful car under $30k. Too bad the dealerships (or at least this one) find it necessary to bump that up $5k (for a "market adjustment") lmao seriously... does it get any cheesier than that? Especially the way it's hand written on the window sticker. It sort of reminds me of the shady tactics that go on at Brad Benson Hyundai in NJ. He advertises on WFAN how they take 30% off the "dealer posted price". I'm sure a lot of suckers dont' realize that they're adding (at least) 30% onto the msrp (and justifying it by listing the dealer installed options they put on... like a cheesy stripe or tinted windows) so in the end... you're not getting any type of deal. not technically bait and switch but close... Anyone in the NJ area stay the F away from that shady pos!!!

But I digress... lol the G8 kicks ass. If I lived somewhere warmer, didn't do a ton of driving (gas mileage blows) and had to lug kids around a lot... this car would be on my shortlist for sure. But since its within the same pricepoint as an STi/Evo (or better yet... new Ralliart) those are much better choices for me.

[TinmanMS6]

But since its within the same pricepoint as an STi/Evo (or better yet... new Ralliart) those are much better choices for me.

I stopped at a dealership last week to look at the Evo X they had out front. They had $3k in "Adjusted Market Value" as well, bringing the total to $39k and change.

[jred321]

any market adjustments for this car (or the evo for that matter) won't last long. it's just dealerships trying to take advantage of the people who need to have the latest and greatest before everyone else. i don't think supply will be an issue in the long run

[mikeyb]

I went to 3 Pontiac dealers looking for a G8 and not one had one on their lot.

[jred321]

pontiac's site lets you look at dealer inventory. how up to date they keep it is another question

[mikeyb]

pontiac's site lets you look at dealer inventory. how up to date they keep it is another question

I'm looking at it now. Not one of the 3 dealers have any. How stupid is that?

[mikeyb]

I saw a white G8 GT tonight at one of the dealers I went to yesterday. Its not even on their website. What a hot car in person.

[seanmcsean]

I demand pics of said white g8 :)

[mikeyb]

I demand pics of said white g8 :)

I would have had pics if my RAZR was not charging. I need to get a inexpensive digital camera.

[CantCMe]

did you scope out the price tag?

[CHICO2003]

the only color worth getting is the orange... orange GT mind you not the copper GTP or whatever.

of course.. i haven't seen any other colors so... yeah, I'm sure they're all good.

[Donas64]

the only color worth getting is the orange... orange GT mind you not the copper GTP or whatever.

of course.. i haven't seen any other colors so... yeah, I'm sure they're all good.

I beg to differ:

Orange: for those who want to be different.

White: For a touch of class

Black: For those with a Darth Vader complex (that would be me!)

Red: for those "look at me" types

[mikeyb]

did you scope out the price tag?

it just right at 31K I think. But I'll go to the dealer's site.

[coolmazda5]

Black: For those with a Darth Vader complex (that would be me!)


"Luke, I'm your G8 daddy" LOL ;)

[mikeyb]

Ok, The G8 GT has black and red leather interior and the Premium and Sport package with sunroof. Its comes to $32,745. I ended up calling the dealer.

[Pirana]

I test drove one this past weekend...very nice...with the exception of the glove box...that sucker is fragile and wabbles like a fat man's belly!

[Pirana]

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[coolmazda5]

^^ Cool. The color looks weird, but nice. Yumm, the dealers in my area have started to have cars as well, I might stop-by during the weekend...

Some search results (naughty):

2008 Pontiac G8 Sedan
$30,665.00*
Exterior: White Hot
Interior: Leather Trim, Onyx

2008 Pontiac G8 Sedan
$28,495.00*
Exterior: Panther Black Metallic
Interior: Cloth Trim, Onyx

2008 Pontiac G8 Sedan
$29,290.00*
Exterior: Magnetic Gray Metallic
Interior: Cloth Trim, Onyx

[Kymerik]

must...have...GXP lol

[CHICO2003]

god damn that orange is hot! sort of like a more mature version of the msp... except it's auto, rwd and huge... lol but other than that!

[mikeyb]

must...have...GXP lol

You'll have to wait until 2009.

[Donas64]

I test drove one this past weekend...very nice...with the exception of the glove box...that sucker is fragile and wabbles like a fat man's belly!

how was the power! I want to know about the power dangit!

[tunersteve]

Went to my local dealer today, they had 2 GTs: one white w/ 19's, the other red but in the showroom, and a black v6. The GTs were both part of the "first 888" which the salesman was trying to tell me was going to be a collector's item. Took it for a spin and I was extremely impressed. This car is serious. Lots of power on demand, nice ride quality, and the interior is pretty damn impressive for a GM too!

Asked about pricing.....dealer wants at least 3K markup on the GTs. I left at that point.

[mikeyb]

The one I looked at had no dealer markup.

[tunersteve]

The one I looked at had no dealer markup.

I expected nothing less from this dealer. Any little reason to mark it up and they will. The first 888 is nothing more than a sequential VIN and a decal on the passenger side trim. Not worth it to me.

[CHICO2003]

Does anyone know what the production run is going to be for these badboys? I mean... is GM only producing a limited # or are they going to try and sell as many as they can. If the ladder then... hell yeah, definitely wise to wait until the initial wave of excitement dies down... Hell, unless I'm really well-off or the car is a limited-edition... I can't even justify paying sticker let alone an F'in markup! This car is sweet and all but... I feel there are better cars out there for $33-35k (base Sti comes to mind) For $30k... well suddenly the competition is narrowed down to a bunch of front wheel drive cars... For $28k (presumably what one might expect to pay once the dust settles) this car has no competition... and is an absolute steal.

The only caveat... half the country might have a tough time making a rwd car their daily driver. the other half won't give a shit.

[jred321]

based on the advertising dollars GM has already spent on the G8 i'd imagine they plan to sell as many as they can

[mikeyb]

The dealer I was at the other day has already sold 12 G8s.

[wishingfora ms3]

i just saw my first one in person while i was driving past the dealership!! i got all excited and everything it was really rediculous. haha. i dont even think it was a GT.

[tunersteve]

The dealer I was at the other day has already sold 12 G8s.

Sold as in physically drove off the lot sold, or sold as in took a deposit and customer is waiting to pick up. The dealer I was at had their first batch, and they've only had them for a week. Hadn't sold one yet, with the 3k markup I wonder why...

[mikeyb]

Sold as in physically drove off the lot sold, or sold as in took a deposit and customer is waiting to pick up. The dealer I was at had their first batch, and they've only had them for a week. Hadn't sold one yet, with the 3k markup I wonder why...

as is in sold. I know the sales manager.

[tunersteve]

as is in sold. I know the sales manager.

Wow, I just didn't expect a dealer to have that many available to them so far. Good for them. I still am extremely impressed with this car.

[mikeyb]

Wow, I just didn't expect a dealer to have that many available to them so far. Good for them. I still am extremely impressed with this car.

He was telling me that they recieved 16 G8s last week and they only have 3 left. This dealer is a high volume Pontiac, Buick, GMC, and Cadillac superstore.

[Donas64]

someone in a car mag said that the auto trans neutered the experience. Can anyone who has driven one verify this?

[mikeyb]

someone in a car mag said that the auto trans neutered the experience. Can anyone who has driven one verify this?

Car and Driver said that. What do they know?

[tunersteve]

It wasn't a horrible experience with the auto. I wouldn't personally buy one with an auto, but it has balls when you want it to.

[Foolish]

someone in a car mag said that the auto trans neutered the experience. Can anyone who has driven one verify this?

That's a strictly subjective question. To me, an automatic trans neuters the experience in any car. For me, the answer is yes, regardless of how "good" the auto is. To you, maybe not so much.

I don't need to drive either to know that I'd rather drive the manual.

Just sayin'

[tunersteve]

That's a strictly subjective question. To me, an automatic trans neuters the experience in any car. For me, the answer is yes, regardless of how "good" the auto is. To you, maybe not so much.

I don't need to drive either to know that I'd rather drive the manual.

Just sayin'

I agree with you whole heartedly, but in some of the cars I've driven, an automatic is completely unbearable. With the G8, I would prefer a manual, but the automatic is something I could stand with that car.

I've driven a few auto mustang GT's...they feel neutered by the auto.

[Donas64]

Yeah. There are good auto transmissions and there are bad auto transmissions. Some are calibrated to get the most out of the engine, and some are just garbage.

Personally, I can't wait till DSG (dual clutch) technology is the standard for all autos.

[coolmazda5]

I might be "old" style but regardless how effective an auto/dsg/cvt tranny is and how fast/powerful the car becomes with it, it will never compare to the fun and driver-machine engagement of a 3rd pedal and a manual shifter (dunno). They might not last very long but while they exist when buying a car, they will be a top choice for me :D

[Foolish]

There are good auto transmissions and there are bad auto transmissions.

Sure, the good ones are the ones in cars driven by other people! Especially those who are not coordinated enough to drive stick! ;)

Sadly, my MPV was not available in a stick. This is one of the prime reasons I'd like to replace it with a Mazda5, even though I'll lose some practical space.

[Donas64]

Sure, the good ones are the ones in cars driven by other people! Especially those who are not coordinated enough to drive stick! ;)

Sadly, my MPV was not available in a stick. This is one of the prime reasons I'd like to replace it with a Mazda5, even though I'll lose some practical space.

I learned on a stick (a LADA no less)

I am very comfortable driving a stick

I worked as a car salesman where you needed to know how to drive a stick or you lost potential sales (at least at the place I worked)

Give me a DSG trans any day.

Sticks great for track-days and weekend getaways but for the day to day grind, I'd rather just leave it in "D" :)

[mikeyb]

I learned on a stick (a LADA no less)

I am very comfortable driving a stick

I worked as a car salesman where you needed to know how to drive a stick or you lost potential sales (at least at the place I worked)

Give me a DSG trans any day.

Sticks great for track-days and weekend getaways but for the day to day grind, I'd rather just leave it in "D" :)

DId you know LADA is GM owned?

[mikeyb]

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DETROIT — If the car enthusiasts within General Motors prevail, Pontiac will further expand its lineup of rear-wheel-drive performance vehicles to include a 400-plus-horsepower V8-powered G8 coupe. Just don't call it a GTO.

The coupe, which would be based on the Holden Coupe 60 concept the Australian division unveiled recently at the Melbourne auto show, would arrive in showrooms within three years' time.

Since neither the Firebird nor GTO name will likely to be revived for the Pontiac lineup, the G8 coupe will carry the performance mantle for the brand. To do battle with the big-horsepower Ford Shelby Mustan GT500KR, Dodge Challenger SRT8 and the upcoming Camaro SS, Pontiac will have to outfit its coupe with the 402-horsepower LS3 6.2-liter V8 that the company recently introduced at the New York auto show in the G8 GXP sedan.

As seen in these illustrations, the G8 Coupe GXP won't be a true hardtop like the Holden Coupe 60 Concept. Like the Camaro and Challenger it will grow a B-pillar and fixed rear side glass in production trim.

It'll also get the GXP sedan's 19-inch wheels, 245/40ZR19-spec summer tires and a version of the GXP's aggressive front fascia. That rolling gear would be attached to the sedan's stiff FE3 suspension and, like the sedan, the GXP coupe would offer an optional Tremec six-speed manual transmission.

Additionally, the G8 coupe, which has been developed alongside the Camaro, would be offered as the G8 Coupe GT, powered by the same 361-hp 6.0-liter used in the G8 GT sedan. Of course, this all assumes that a faction within General Motors that fears upcoming CAFE (corporate average fuel economy) standards doesn't quash the project.

"The G8 Coupe is not dead," said one source within the company. "This is an uphill battle. It shouldn't be. But it is." When pressed, our source indicates that the chance of getting the coupe is probably less than 50 percent.

Predictably, Bob Lutz is said to be in the pro-coupe camp. This isn't the first time the two factions have battled over G8 variants.

"The G8 GXP, the G8 sport truck and the G8 wagon were all part of the plan. Then they pulled all three just three or four months ago. It was a classic over-reaction to CAFE. We got the GXP back and, because Lutz is a big fan of the sport truck we got that back, too. But then Dodge killed the Magnum and that was the end of the wagon," our source says.

[coolmazda5]

^^^

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[tunersteve]

I feel like that coupe was a April Fools joke. Too much PS action there to be legit IMO.

[mikeyb]

I feel like that coupe was a April Fools joke. Too much PS action there to be legit IMO.

Yeah there is PS action going on there. According from what I've else were GM is working on a GTO replacement that will be a Commodore based car. Should be on the Coupe 60 concept.

[Kymerik]

Yeah there is PS action going on there. According from what I've else were GM is working on a GTO replacement that will be a Commodore based car. Should be on the Coupe 60 concept.

Edmunds Insideline just posted about it...looks sexy, rumored to be the next firebird~doesnt make any sense though because the Camaro and Firebird have always shared platforms and bodies

[mikeyb]

Edmunds Insideline just posted about it...looks sexy, rumored to be the next firebird~doesnt make any sense though because the Camaro and Firebird have always shared platforms and bodies

This would be based on the Zeta platform just like the Camaro. I do not think Pontiac should call it Firebird. I like G8 Coupe.

[mikeyb]

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nice

[Roywhitep5]

drove a g8 gt today. it was pretty sweet. i think i might have to get one

[Roywhitep5]

oh wow, if that coupe came out, thatd be sweet

[CantCMe]

That coupe is f*ckin' gorgeous!!! I wanted the 4 door but that has given me reason not to buy and wait for the 2 door...

And now I've been seeing alot of the LS2 GTOs on the road lately.

[mikeyb]

http://bp0.blogger.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/SDV2-zaCF_I/AAAAAAAAsqU/eUkohmYf9Bg/s400/Omega_60th_022.jpg (http://bp0.blogger.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/SDV2-zaCF_I/AAAAAAAAsqU/eUkohmYf9Bg/s1600-h/Omega_60th_022.jpg)GM’s Australian subsidiary Holden is planning to launch a new hybrid version of the locally produced and developed Commodore according to General Motors Goup vice president Nick Reilly, who broke the news speaking at a quarterly strategy meeting from Holden’s <?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = ST1 /><ST1:CITY st="on"><ST1:PLACE st="on">Melbourne</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY> offices. <?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O /><O:P></O:P>“We will introduce hybrids in the next couple of years,” said General Motors group vice president Nick Reilly. When he was asked by journalists on whether the Commodore would be one of them, he said: “That could be one of the first hybrids you could see (in <ST1:COUNTRY-REGION st="on"><ST1:PLACE st="on">Australia</ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGION> from GM). I would put a time frame on that of probably a couple of years.”
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As you already know, the Pontiac G8 sedans are basically rebadged versions of the Commodore that are shipped to the US from Australia, meaning that the North American market will probably also see hybrid variants of the G8.

According to the drive.com.au website, Reilly also unveiled to reporters that a diesel-powered Commodore is also in the company’s product pipeline. “We don’t yet have a diesel Commodore but that will come,” he says. GM’s VP also confirmed that a four-cylinder Commodore was being looked at without however giving out any details on whether that unit will be GM’s 2.0-liter turbocharged unit found in the Pontiac Solstice, the Opel GT and elsewhere.

[CantCMe]

Want...coupe...now.

[mikeyb]

http://www.g8nation.com/2008/05/pontiac-g8-st-spied-in-australia/

[mikeyb]

Just had lunch with Al Oppenheiser, GM's global rear-drive chief engineer for North America, and we got to talking about feedback on GM's recently launched Pontiac G8.


One interesting tidbit came up regarding the fuss about the G8's the digital battery and oil meter mounted on the center console.

"We got a lot feedback from guys like you in the media and early buyers," said Oppenheiser. "And it just reaffirmed what we had thought after spending a lot of time with the car during development. The readouts don't change much, there are no units on them, so why would you want to stare at them all the time?"


"It'll be gone for 2009," Oppenheiser confirmed.

Question is, what will replace it? At the very least, a storage compartment, said Oppenheiser, though he is pushing for something more performance-oriented.


"I'm an analog-gauge guy myself," he said, "so I'm pulling for the white background dials out of the Holden Commodore HSV."

http://image.motortrend.com/f/new-cars/pontiac-g8-tweak-for-2009-bye-bye-battery-meter/9735251+cr1+re0+ar1/hsv-clubsport-gauges.jpg

tried to find the gauges he referenced, but all I could come up with after a Google image search were white-faced gauges from a 2008 Holden Special Vehicles E Series Clubsport R8. Still a big improvement over that red digital nonsense.

Oppenheiser also mentioned that GM was getting dinged for not having an in-dash nagivation system, though he didn't say whether that was a viable possibility soon.


We'd like one, but if not, how about third-party GPS-navigation system connectivity as we've seen from other manufacturers? It could be as easy as a slot that would allow charging and audio-system interaction for a Garmin or TomTom handheld nav unit. Or perhaps use the screen for a dedicated backup camera, similar to the ones Toyota is putting in even base-model Highlanders.


What would you like to see in place of the battery/oil meter in the 2009 Pontiac G8? Any other tweaks you'd make? Post your suggestions below and we'll make sure Al and his team get the message.


Whether the readout screen ends up being replaced by a storage bin or a full-blown nav system, I find it refreshing that GM is not only listening, but willing to move so quickly to correct a minor flaw on a new model that has thus far been pretty well received. Kudos to Oppenheiser and his team.

http://image.motortrend.com/f/new-cars/pontiac-g8-tweak-for-2009-bye-bye-battery-meter/9735257+cr1+re0+ar1/pontiac-g8-interior.jpg

[mikeyb]

I remember seeng those digital gauges in the G8 in early pics and the local Auto Show. I always thought they were a pointless attempt at a performance look. I think they took away from the G8 which is a GREAT looking car!

My top 5 picks in ascending order:

5. A sunglass holder / storage compartment

4. iPod/MP3/Satelite Radio dock

3. Digital Fuel readout

2. Re-oriented dash/IP, with extra space used for In-Dash Full Navigation System-OR-Pop-up Navigation System (04-08 Infiniti G35)

1. Turbo Boost Gage for a Turbocharged G8, Trans Temp Gage, G-Force Gage (Digital), Lap Timer (Digital)

[tunersteve]

I totally agree Mike. I went with a friend to test drive one and couldn't get over how shitty those looked. Personally, I'd like to see the analog guages make it there, especially on the GT. For the V6, I'd just make a small sunglass/map pocket. It's definitely worth spending the extra cash on the GT, especially when it comes to the interior. After sitting in and driving the V6, I wasn't all that impressed.

[mikeyb]

The stereo display should also be for a Navi.

[coolmazda5]

Finally, 6MT (naughty)


CarDomain recently sat for lunch with GM car czar Bob Lutz, and one of the topics that came up was the ever-vanishing manual transmission. Lutz explained that modern automatics are no longer the less efficient option by default, and with CAFE dictating so much nowadays, carmakers can actually improve their fleet average fuel economy more by going with automatics that can be programmed to deliver maximum efficiency (as far as the EPA is concerned, at least). He then went on to state that there will be manuals available in both the Camaro and the 2009 Pontiac G8 GT, which gets a 6-speed unit from Tremec. So if you waited on Poncho's new muscle sedan, your patience will be rewarded. Of course, your patience will also got you a price increase too, but at least those dopey digital auxiliary gauges will be gone, as well.


Source:
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/06/20/lutz-09-pontiac-g8-gt-gets-optional-tremec-6-speed-stick

[Donas64]

Finally, 6MT (naughty)


CarDomain recently sat for lunch with GM car czar Bob Lutz, and one of the topics that came up was the ever-vanishing manual transmission. Lutz explained that modern automatics are no longer the less efficient option by default, and with CAFE dictating so much nowadays, carmakers can actually improve their fleet average fuel economy more by going with automatics that can be programmed to deliver maximum efficiency (as far as the EPA is concerned, at least). He then went on to state that there will be manuals available in both the Camaro and the 2009 Pontiac G8 GT, which gets a 6-speed unit from Tremec. So if you waited on Poncho's new muscle sedan, your patience will be rewarded. Of course, your patience will also got you a price increase too, but at least those dopey digital auxiliary gauges will be gone, as well.


Source:
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/06/20/lutz-09-pontiac-g8-gt-gets-optional-tremec-6-speed-stick

Game. Set. Match!

Thats all this beast was missing. Gotta keep saving!!!!

[CHICO2003]

that and halfway decent gas mileage

[Donas64]

that and halfway decent gas mileage

It's got cylinder deactivation. Thats gotta count for something right? Besides, it doesn't get horrible mileage for having a corvette motor under the hood. It gets just as good if not better mileage than an MS3 or MS6.

[CHICO2003]

Well I'm not saying the MS3 is anything special in this category either. You're right though... compared to what they have, the G8 gets b etter MPG... but 15/24 sucks balls these days. (I think the MS3 is like 19/25 so it's not quite as bad)

[mikeyb]

My cousin traded a 06 325i in for a G8 GT and she averages 28 hwy.

[coolmazda5]

Booooh! Don't play with my feelings (rant), GXP FTW!

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/06/37_pontiacg8_garage450.jpg



Last week, we linked to a CarDomain piece about a lunch that gang had with GM's Bob Lutz. One of their topics of conversation with the product czar was manual transmissions, and it was reported that the '09 Pontiac G8 GT would be offered with an optional Tremec 6-speed manual transmission. This was certainly welcome news, both to us and readers. Unfortunately, it turns out that this information was, in fact, too good to be true. Pontiac's Jim Hopson dropped us a note this morning to clarify. In it, he writes, "We currently have no plans to offer the Tremec on any other G8 model (including the GT mentioned in the article), although it might be an option we could consider in the future." That's a bummer, and there you have it: The only way you'll be able to get a manual in the Pontiac G8 is if you pony up for the über-caliente GXP performance variant when it arrives later this year. Jim's email, in its entirety, is pasted after the jump.

Source:
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/06/24/correction-pontiac-g8-gt-will-not-have-an-optional-6-speed-stic/

[Donas64]

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/funny-picture-cat-fail.jpg

[CHICO2003]

My cousin traded a 06 325i in for a G8 GT and she averages 28 hwy.

Not to call BS or anything but... Often times, when people buy inefficient vehicles, they'll fluff the #s a bit to perhaps rationalize the purchase. I'm not saying this is the case or anything but 28 hwy? I mean... even if that IS the case, that #'s almost cut in half everywhere else. We ARE talking about a big ass V8 afterall. As much as I'd love to have one of these badboys... 15mpg city can kiss my ass

[mikeyb]

Not to call BS or anything but... Often times, when people buy inefficient vehicles, they'll fluff the #s a bit to perhaps rationalize the purchase. I'm not saying this is the case or anything but 28 hwy? I mean... even if that IS the case, that #'s almost cut in half everywhere else. We ARE talking about a big ass V8 afterall. As much as I'd love to have one of these badboys... 15mpg city can kiss my ass

She drive 95% hwy in overdrive and running on 4 cyls. She is not one to lead foot it around town or do autobahn speeds on the hwy. I looked up what Edmunds rates the mileage on this and they state it gets 24 hwy. Anyways the obc states that she is average 28 hwy. I'll have here do some calcutations.

Hell my boss use to get 28 hwy with a modded 02 Trans Am that he use to own.

[CHICO2003]

I've never owned a car with an obc but... HAVE at least driven in a few. Not sure if the G8's the same but... I noticed that it fluctuated a great deal. I mean, you could floor it and it would drop down to like 8mpg (Cadillac CTS if it matters) and then basically just cruise on the hwy giving it very little (or no) gas and it could go as high as 70! lol but yeah... obviously the car gets at least mid 20's on the hwy. Thing is, the # obviously drops significantly around town... and probably a hell of a lot more if you actually drive it the way it was meant to be driven! (which, for a car like this, IS the way to go.. despite gas prices.) I mean... it would be like buying a ferrari only to drive it around town like an old lady. Totally defeats the purpose if you ask me. So... hopefully she's enjoying the car the remaining 5% of the time.

[mikeyb]

^Your MSP does not give the average mileage? My Altima, and all the cars I've owned for the past 7 years do that. Two where Mazdas. She loves the car but misses her 06 325i.

[TinmanMS6]

I've never owned a car with an obc but... HAVE at least driven in a few. Not sure if the G8's the same but... I noticed that it fluctuated a great deal. I mean, you could floor it and it would drop down to like 8mpg (Cadillac CTS if it matters) and then basically just cruise on the hwy giving it very little (or no) gas and it could go as high as 70! lol but yeah... obviously the car gets at least mid 20's on the hwy. Thing is, the # obviously drops significantly around town... and probably a hell of a lot more if you actually drive it the way it was meant to be driven! (which, for a car like this, IS the way to go.. despite gas prices.) I mean... it would be like buying a ferrari only to drive it around town like an old lady. Totally defeats the purpose if you ask me. So... hopefully she's enjoying the car the remaining 5% of the time.

I used to be able to get my Avalanche up to 99 mpg on the highway coasting downhill. It actually did average 20-21 mpg on the highway (usually doing 80+), so I'd definitely believe that better could be acheived in something with some aerodynamics and half the weight.

[CHICO2003]

nah... MSP's old school. Damn car's freakin 5 years old already! but at least it doesn't have an analog odometer. (which a lot of cars still had back then)

As far as all this talk about hwy mpg... it's all well and good. until of course you get off the hwy. On one extreme you have the 99mpg coasting downhill... and on the other you have the 3mpg while inching up on a town road only for the light to turn red again. This cylinder deactivation's a pretty cool feature and all but... when these god damn advertisers merely state the more than reasonable hwy mpg (and in 2pt font on the bottom state that pathetic city) it still leaves something to be desired.

That's why... as a "car guy" I'm torn. I'd love to have a car like the G8 or new Challenger... or whatever. But, the more I learn about oil and where our money's actually going, the more I can't stand the thought of paying anymore than I have to at the pump. Hell... If it was possible, I'd seriously buying some slow as shit electric car (even if it cost twice as much as a comparable gas car). As much as the driving experience would suck... knowing my hard earned money's not going into the pockets of greedy billionaire oil execs (or worse) would be more than enough... I suppose.

I'd have to get a harley or something for the weekends though...cuz I'd feel like a complete pu$$y drivin around in an electric car all week lmao

[TinmanMS6]

For anyone who might be interested in autocrossing a G8:
Pontiac G8 V8 & NOC FS

I would read that to mean that the GXP will be an FS car. Win.

[coolmazda5]

Yay, I finally saw one yesterday on the street (not at the delership). Nice red g8 GT with the fancy 19in polished wheels, very clean.

Ironically its PA State license plate was something like GXP-XXXX (lol2)

[coolmazda5]

(naughty)

Although we thoroughly enjoyed the fleeting time we spent with the Pontiac G8 GT, what whith its 361 horsepower and 385 pound-feet of torque and all, it's the upcoming GXP model that truly looks to catapult the Australian-bred sedan back into musclecar territory. We, along with just about every other gearhead, are especially looking forward to the six-speed stick and clutch pedal with which the 6.2-liter LS3 V8 making 402 hp and 400 lb-ft of torque will be paired. Of course, the rest of the car needs to be up to snuff too, so we are happy to take a gander at these spy photos of a pre-production prototype in Australia that indicate the nineteen-inch GXP-specific wheels and big Brembo disc brakes are present and accounted for. A slightly revised front fascia with a lower splitter combine with the rear diffuser to further signify that this is the high-zoot version of Pontiac's sport sedan.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/08/03_preprog8gxp.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/08/06_preprog8gxp.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/08/00_preprog8gxp.jpg

Source and more pics:
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/08/04/pre-pro-pontiac-g8-gxp-spotted-in-australia/

[Donas64]

who do I have to kill.....

[mikeyb]

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The Pontiac G8 Sport Truck was originally supposed to be powered only by General Motors' 361-horsepower 6.0L V8, but tough fuel economy standards and customer demand for fuel efficient products have conspired to change the General's plans. Edmunds Inside Line quotes an anonymous senior engineer at the General saying that the unique sport ute will receive automaker's 3.6L V6, as well. That's good news for fuel economy, but the better news is that the 3.6L V6 of choice will be the direct injection versoin. That will likely give the G8 ST the same 300+hp as the 2010 Camaro and Cadillac CTS. That should also make the base ST more appealing to enthusiasts and the average Joe, with more power at the pedal and a healthier torque curve. The DI version of GM's 3.6L V6 will also likely be available in the base G8 sedan for the 2010 model year, as well.

It makes sense that GM would go with direct injection for the G8 ST, as the General has already promised the powerful V6 for the Chevy Traverse and Camaro. Putting DI in more vehicles will help drive down the cost of producing these more high-tech engines economy of scale while also giving customers V8ish performance with V6ish fuel economy. Keep in mind, however, that though a GM engineer was quoted, none of this is official word from GM, so plans could change.

[mikeyb]

http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/GM/Pontiac/G8/Pontiac_G8_main_510.jpg

Ask an average Australian about the latest Pontiac-purveyed product from his (or her) homeland and you’re likely to be stricken with a few derogatory nicknames for the vehicle that play off the ‘common’ sounding name of the Holden Commodore. Made popular as a fleet vehicle and the traditional family hauler, the Commodore has a less-than-stellar reputation Down Under when it comes to exciting sports sedans. But to this American’s eyes, the G8 is the rebirth of the Everyman American sedan.

The mild-mannered power of a well-made naturally aspirated V6 might be just the ticket for balancing big-sedan comfort with mid-sized efficiency - though that’s up for debate as well - but it sure isn’t what you’d expect from the aggressive looks and Aussie-bred demeanor of the new Pontiac G8. Despite the less-than-impressive performance, however, almost everything else remains the same as its bigger brother, and without the intoxicating aroma of the big V8 found under the hood of the G8’s GT variant, the true essence of the car is easier to discern. Few other publications have tested the V6 variant. Is it possible that the ego-enhancing effects of a large-displacement V8 have skewed the results in favor of an otherwise bland car?
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At first blush the G8 is an exciting car. The styling isn’t typical of the last half-decade of American cars, though the past year or two have brought some interesting competition. It has an air about it that certainly impresses more than the Grand Am or Grand Prix ever did, at least for this reviewer. Even the also-Australian GTO, beloved by some but detested by many as heretical to the original Goat, didn’t offer the combination of utility, visceral appeal and affordability that the G8 brings to the table. The athletic, forward-biting stance and angular lines give the car purpose, and though the front end may be a bit overwrought, it clearly brands the car a Pontiac, and makes it recognizable from blocks away. But a good first impression isn’t enough to carry the day anymore - buyers are looking for well-built, easy-driving, safe and efficient transport more than ever before.

The quick verdict: the G8 manages to rise to the challenge for the most part, and its few foibles are not significant enough to justify its relegation to the ‘also-ran’ list. Perhaps even more importantly, there is unlocked potential in this car - it could be great, with just a little help. Handling is as good as you can expect from an affordable large sedan, with a predictable and capable nature that speaks of a well-designed chassis tuned for comfort over speed.

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Stepping inside this G8, a black-leather upholstered black car with black carpeting, the initial impression is one of monotonous coloration and surprisingly bland interior styling. And upon second look, things don’t change much. The center console stack is straightforward and utilitarian with the exception of the fairly high-resolution display unit for the radio, climate controls and computer readout. More on the display in a moment, but suffice to say it’s both a highlight and a hang-up.

Beyond the simple audio and climate controls, there’s the instrument cluster. The speedometer and tachometer in the cluster behind the steering wheel, along with the smaller auxiliary gauges and readouts are all easy to read and attractively lit. The speedometer is even capable of reading in and indicating both miles-per-hour and kilometers-per-hour - a novelty at best unless you frequently make trips across the northern border.

The steering wheel, on the other hand, feels solid, shapely and well-made. The attractive chrome ‘wings’ that form the forked center spoke give it a lightness that would serve the rest of the cabin well, and unlike the metallic or pseudo-metallic trim pieces on a number of other modern cars, whether American or not, the feel of these trim pieces is one of quality. Steering feel is generally good, especially at every-day speeds, with a good weight but not requiring tremendous effort. Crank up the speeds and attack the bends, however, and the steering feels lighter and less accurate, especially just off-center, where the real work of a back-country run is done. The G8, at least in base trim, thrives in daily use, not the weekend fun-run.

But the single most confusing and confounding aspect of the interior is the roughly 1.5-inch by 8-inch bright-red LED readout at the top center of the dash that very roughly estimates the battery’s charge and the oil pressure. While both are useful information under some circumstances - especially extreme cold, for instance - neither warrant constant and blockily-inaccurate display at the focal point of the dashboard. This oddity is scheduled for deletion upon the debut of the 2009 models, and rightfully so.

http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/GM/Pontiac/G8/review/G8_popup_2.jpg

he second most confusing element of the G8’s interior is the complete lack of satellite navigation availability. It’s understood that the car is targeted at the mid-range of the large-sedan market, and that with too many more options it would begin to encroach on the Cadillac CTS’ territory, at least on paper - the build quality difference is vast - but would it be too much to equip a basic touchscreen unit to show the way in foreign territory? The upside is that there’s ample room on the dash and windshield for fitment of an aftermarket unit.

Aftermarket units won’t be able to take advantage of the nice built-in display, however. Apparently limited to just three colors - black, red and white - since that is all it displayed during our week with it - the screen is nevertheless high-resolution and attractively styled with easy-to-read graphics and script. But it’s almost laughably complex given its function as display unit for the admirably full-featured on-board computer. Those familiar with the Saturn Astra and any number of other newer GM products will appreciate the fine-grained detail available from the unit, but why it needs a space-hogging display with fidgety soft-buttons is simply inexplicable.

That said, the G8 is a mostly brilliant car, inside and out, especially for the price point. It offers truly full-size proportions - easily accommodating four six-foot-plus passengers with knee-room and head-room to spare - and very comfortable, attractive seating. The leather upholstery didn’t feel premium-quality, but it did feel supple and durable, two strong traits in a car that will see regular use. The rear seat bench was oddly a bit easy to dislodge, though that may have been an issue specific to our particular vehicle, and at any rate did not cause any issues during its use.

The trunk is capacious in the extreme, and with a broad and tall opening, actually getting large things into it shouldn’t be a problem. The rear seats don’t fold down, however, featuring only a pass-through for long, skinny objects - not that you’d need much more in the way of room in the trunk, and if you do, Pontiac has you covered with the G8 ST.

Only one major quibble is to be had with the G8: the 3.6L 256hp (190kW) V6 engine. It’s a good engine for what it is, and it’s adequate, even ample, for almost everything you can legally do on public roads. But it’s lacking the ‘bigness’ that the rest of the car exudes. Enlivened with a torquey and character-full V8, plus some more sport-oriented - but still liveable - shocks and springs, this car could be a real powerhouse, and that’s precisely what the GT and GXP variants offer. We’ll have to wait until we’re presented with the opportunity to review one to decide how well Pontiac has managed to tap the obvious potential of the base G8, however.

That one quibble is really no quibble at all in the end, since buyers of the G8 V6 will enter the bargain knowingly. At a premium of just $1,500 for the V8, buying the V6 makes no sense to us. The fuel economy certainly doesn’t justify it, even if you achieve the rated figures of 17mpg city and 25mpg highway, which ended up being very close to our observed 16.7mpg city and 24mpg highway. The V8 is rated very closely at 15mpg city and 24mpg highway, making so little difference as to matter not at all, financially or ecologically. At that point, driving style will determine real-world efficiency more than engine choice. And GM has proven its torquey V8s are capable of excellent fuel mileage when the driver can keep their foot out of the accelerator.

Bottom-line verdict on the G8 is that you’d be hard-pressed to buy more in the way of a large sedan for the price, and though the styling, both inside and out, may not be everyone’s cup of tea, it’s a far cry from the bland offerings of a few years ago. And for those with a mind for slowly upgrading a car as they go, the G8 GT, or better yet, the GXP, could be one of the best platforms to come along in years.

[mikeyb]

FYI, for all other Pontiac G8 and Holden VE Commodore news go to:

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showt...hp?t=123642264 (http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123642264)

Commodore Sport Tourer

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123684890&highlight=Holden

Holden Coupe 60 Thread

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showt...ghlight=Holden (http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123698779&highlight=Holden)

Vauxhall VXR8 and S/C'd Thread

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showt...ghlight=Holden (http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123680077&highlight=Holden)

Holden VE HSV W427

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123698786&highlight=Holden

[meGrimlock]

"slightly revised front fascia with a lower splitter" actually means GM hardly tried at all. still...im saving my pennies. maybe employee pricing will be back when they release the gxp

[coolmazda5]

The V8-powered Pontiac G8 GT has garnered a fair amount of respect around Autoblog HQ, with almost everyone who's spent time behind the wheel singing the praises of the Aussie-imported four-door muscle car. We're all suckers for rubber-melting torque and rear-wheel motivation, and even El Capitan Neff has thought about retiring his Alero for a shot at G8 ownership. For the rest of us, a six-speed manual would seal the deal.

Next year Pontiac will finally offer a proper cog swapper on its G8 GXP, and not only do drivers get to row their own gears, but they're getting an extra 13 horses and 15 lb.-ft. of torque to boot. The SAE has finally performed its official testing on the 6.2-liter LS3 V8 and output is up to 415 horsepower and an equal amount of twist.

With 19-inch HSV wheels framing 14-inch (front) and 12.76-inch (rear) discs and Brembo calipers, a standard LSD and a stiffened suspension, the additional power is just another reason to be smitten by the Pontiac G8 GXP. That, and the Tremac TR060 manual. We'll take ours in slate grey for maximum intimidation.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/03/08_g8gxpny08.jpg

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Source:
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/09/08/pontiac-g8-gxp-officially-rated-at-415-hp/

[TinmanMS6]

What's up with the scale on the torque side of that graph? Does it really need to go up to 900?

[mikeyb]

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The Firehawk name is well known by GM performance buffs, having graced some of the highest performing Firebird models from 1991 until 2002. Built by New Jersey based SLP (Street Legal Performance), the Firehawk models received various levels of performance upgrades and could hang with the best of American muscle during its day: the later models could run 0 to 60 mph in around five seconds and passing the 1/4 mile in the mid 13's. While the Firebird wasn't revived along with the Camaro, SLP has decided to use the G8 to revive the Firehawk name with three special edition cars based on the V6 and V8 models as well as a supercharged version. The cars will be sold through Pontiac dealers and will carry a full warranty. Sound great, right? Current Firebird Firehawk owners don't think so. After hearing the news on LS1Tech.com, many of the members were outraged that the Firehawk name would be watered down on something besides a Firebird, in particular a four door sedan. In all fairness, SLP owns the Firehawk name and can use it how it wants, so we'll reserve judgment until the car is actually unveiled and we can see how it performs.

[TinmanMS6]

*Hoping they put a stick in a GT*

[BlackCherry06]

How's about a 5 or 6 speed M/T for the 3.6? I can't believe demand is so low that they just didn't even bother.

[mikeyb]

http://photos.imageevent.com/davidhamburger/slp/Firehawk_teaser2.jpg

[mikeyb]

I have no info or specs as of yet.

[TinmanMS6]

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Recent news that the G8 may never see a design cycle had us worried that the sport truck version of the RWD Pontiac may never see the light of day. GM has shot down any rumors concerning the demise of the G8, and Pontiac spokesman Jim Hopson told our friend Mike Levine at PickupTrucks.com that the ST model is running on schedule, too. That's certainly good news, but unfortunately it'll be another full year before we see the ute-tastic pickup at your local dealer.

Hopson also provided a reasonable expectation of the G8 ST's pricing. The 6.0L V8 model will hit your pocket book in the "low $30,000 range," which is right in line with what you'll pay for a G8 GT today. Hopson also touched on the rumored V6 version of the ST, saying that the odds were in favor of the more efficient powerplant going under-hood. It seems like it has already been too long since we first laid eyes on the G8 ST, and waiting another full year will be tough. At least we know Pontiac's incognito Holden will be reasonably priced when if finally gets here.

[jred321]

i'll take it*





*in a manual

[TinmanMS6]

i'll take it*





*in a manual

GXP?

[jred321]

if they make an ST GXP then that's what i'll get. a normal V8 ST with a manual would be good for me too

[TinmanMS6]

The only way I can imagine that happening is if GM announces the GT sedan's getting a manual as well.

[jred321]

which i hope they do.


though since it's an LS engine i would hope a manual swap wouldn't be too hard...

[TinmanMS6]

No, not really. You could get the pedal and gauge cluster from a GXP I suppose. I'm not too intimately familiar with auto to manual swaps, but I'd think you might have some ECU issues. Base Vette ECU should work, I guess.

[jred321]

i think all that normally happens with the ecu is that you get a light on saying there's a transmission problem because there are plugs in the auto that you can no longer plug in. that'd be perfectly fine with me. gauge cluster would hopefully be fine and would have to see if an old camaro transmission/pedals fit because that'd be way cheaper than brand new GXP stuff. hopefully they just offer it in a manual

[coolmazda5]

I hope GM really think this one through. A pickup without manual tranny options? What has this World come down to?

[coolmazda5]

One of the best parts about SEMA is getting to see the manufacturers build cars they might not otherwise. Take this G8 GXP Street Concept, for example. Sure, the 415-horsepower 6.2L V8 in the standard G8 GXP is plenty good enough, but why not stuff the new LSX454 crate engine from GM Performance Parts underneath the hood? The 7.4L V8 is good for a ZR1-matching 638 horsepower and 600 lb-ft torque, allowing this G8 to unashamedly call itself a true muscle car. Other features include stiffer springs and the brake package from the CTS-V as well as 20-inch black chrome wheels. The exterior has been given an aggressive makeover with a new front fascia with unique upper and lower grilles and a rear fascia that incorporates a diffuser and performance exhaust system. Inside are custom leather seats and a new gauge cluster. More details and plenty of photos are soon to come when we hit the show floor next week

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/11/g8gxpstreetconcept_01.jpg

Source:
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/11/01/sema-preview-638-horsepower-pontiac-g8-gxp-street-concept/

[mikeyb]

Wow!!

[TinmanMS6]

Wheels are kinda nasty, IMO, but I'm not going to complain about the engine. Damn.

[CantCMe]

whoa (omg)

[Donas64]

re-ludicrous!

[mikeyb]

http://images.blackfalconmedia.com/2008/11/large/pontiac-g8-st-sema-show-car.jpg

Pontiac G8 ST SEMA Show Car

[coolmazda5]

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Sources:
http://www.jhp.com.au/pontiac_g8_ve_front_conversion.php

[coolmazda5]

So Pontiac goes through all the rebadging hassle and then locally you convert it back, LOL

[Donas64]

I actually prefer the HSV VE front end. Some people don't mind paying a little to get a different look.

[jred321]

the HSV one looks nice. the regular one doesn't look like it's worth the time/money/effort

[TinmanMS6]

the HSV one looks nice. the regular one doesn't look like it's worth the time/money/effort

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[Donas64]

It's ADM yo!!!

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[Roywhitep5]

so does the g8 come with a manual yet?

[TinmanMS6]

Only if you order a GXP.

[mikeyb]

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About 19 months ago, we sent operatives with a briefcase bristling with test equipment to Australia. The mission: Get an early peek at the 2008 Pontiac G8 GT by test-driving its stablemate, the then-new 2007 Holden Commodore SS.

The residual jet lag was magically wiped away by the Commodore SS's thrilling combination of rear-wheel drive, independent rear suspension, a six-speed manual transmission and a 6.0-liter V8. Or maybe it was the Mad Max flashbacks and the Vegemite.

Yet even though we loved the 2008 Pontiac G8 when it hit the streets in the U.S. eight months ago, we knew that the Aussie mojo from the Commodore SS hadn't made the trip from the Land of Oz.

Turns out that Pontiac was holding a few aces up its sleeve, and now the 2009 Pontiac G8 GXP puts them all on the table.

The Most Powerful Production Pontiac...Ever?
Ace No. 1 is the 2009 Pontiac GXP's LS3 V8, the base engine found under the hood of the 2008 Corvette. Displacing 6.2 liters (376 cubic inches), the G8 GXP version makes 415 horsepower and 415 pound-feet of torque, some 54 hp and 30 lb-ft more than the G8 GT's V8 engine.
The 2009 Pontiac G8 GXP is the most powerful production Pontiac built to date. Really.

You could argue that the 1970 Pontiac Trans Am could be equipped with a 400-cubic-inch Ram Air V, which was rated at 500 hp. But this special-order engine was a dealer-installed item, and it would never withstand a grocery run on 91 octane gasoline or live long enough to meet a 100,000-mile powertrain warranty, and hooking one up for a 2008 smog test would be, um, futile.

Moreover, the 2009 Pontiac G8 GXP's 415-hp rating is certified as an SAE net output, which means it was produced under tightly controlled test procedures that include the presence of an independent observer.
Twisting the key brings this engine to life with a burbling idle that the 6.0-liter V8 of our 2008 Pontiac G8 GT long-term test car can't match. There's plenty of life under the throttle pedal, as the GXP responds with the kind of healthy shove to the backside you'd get if someone put a sign on the back of your jacket that said, "Kick me."

The exhaust note that comes from the GXP's low-restriction exhaust system contains just enough of that high-school rock-and-roll soundtrack to make us want to stand on the power pedal whenever possible, yet it's not offensive enough that the old guy down the street will shake his cane at us. And did we mention the off-throttle burble?

But there is a dark side. The GXP's fuel consumption figures are expected to settle near those of the base Corvette, which are 14 mpg city and 20 mpg highway. Plus the Corvette gets slapped with a $1,700 gas-guzzler tax, so it's likely the GXP will, too.

Shift Change
When it comes time to grab the next gear, we actually can. Ace No. 2 in Pontiac's program for the GXP is the same Tremec TR6060 six-speed manual transmission we experienced in the Holden Commodore SS. Except here the shift lever is under our right hand, where it belongs.
There is one little catch, however. In a reversal of usual practice, the same Hydra-matic six-speed automatic found in our G8 GT is the GXP's standard offering. You have to fork over $698 extra to get the six-speed manual.

At least it's a good one. The lever action is sure and the gates are well-defined. And having full command of the transmission makes the LS3 much more of a willing partner, especially when corners are thrown into the mix.
We're not as convinced about the clutch, however. The engagement point is easy enough to detect, but the pedal effort is too light. The Luk single-disc clutch and single-mass flywheel are the same found in the bell housing of the 361-hp Holden Commodore SS, but we're assured there's more than enough capacity to deal with the LS3.

The same limited-slip rear end found in the G8 GT and Commodore SS is fitted to the GXP, but with a couple of important changes. The GXP's final-drive ratio is shorter, as the Holden's 3.45:1 rear end is changed to 3.70 here when the manual transmission is in place. The automatic variant enjoys a 3.27 rear end instead of the G8 GT's 2.92 gears. And the GXP's ring-and-pinion gears are shot-peened and phosphate-coated for enhanced wear and durability, something that can't be said of the rear ends of some other high-output cars.

Rubber Meets the Track
Our instrumented acceleration test runs peg the performance of the 2009 Pontiac G8 GXP with its six-speed manual transmission at 5.2 seconds to 60 mph (4.9 with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip) and 13.4 seconds at 105.9 mph in the quarter-mile. That's about 0.4 to 0.6 second quicker than the G8 GT and Commodore SS. Pontiac points out that the automatic-equipped GXP will do 0.2 second quicker still.

The most obvious change to the chassis is the fitment of larger 14-inch ventilated brake rotors with Brembo four-piston fixed calipers in front. Bigger brakes mean the 19-inch tires are now standard, and they're the same 245/40R19 Bridgestone Potenza RE050A summer performance tires that are optional for the GT. Here they're mounted on unique forged-aluminum wheels that weigh about 1 pound less apiece than the GT's optional wheels.

The GXP's stopping distance from 60 mph comes in at 110 feet — the same result as the G8 GT with the same tires, but smaller brakes. The benefit from the new brake package expresses itself as increased fade resistance after numerous hard stops, and excellent pedal feel.
The GXP carries the so-called FE3 suspension package with sport-tuned struts and shocks that feature firmer damping rates, which replaces the FE2 setup found in the GT. No further changes apply to the front suspension, but the rear gets a 2mm-larger stabilizer bar (from 18mm to 20), a lower control arm with an outer ball joint instead of a rubber bushing, and a revised toe link.

There are no specific steering system changes, but these mods alone give the GXP better turn-in response and precision along with a reduced tendency toward understeer. The car's ride quality doesn't suffer much at all from the extra damping control, either. In fact, we like the way the GXP deals with uneven asphalt better than the sometimes soggy feel of our G8 GT.

None of this adds up to a measurable benefit at our test track, presumably because our G8 GT features identical tires. The GXP's 0.84g effort on the skid pad is on par with our GT, but its slalom time of 63.6 mph is actually slightly slower. Our test pilot theorizes that the GXP's stiffer rear stabilizer bar that helps reduce understeer in corners might be making this 4,010-pound sedan a little pendulous through the slalom as the tires heat up after four or five consecutive cones with the stability control shut off.

Visually Similar
Perhaps the most unexpected aspect of the 2009 Pontiac G8 GXP is its visual similarity to the G8 GT. Apart from the wheel differences between the two cars, the GXP's handsome front and rear fascias aren't distinctive enough to get your attention unless you park a GT alongside. And you have to brandish a ruler to confirm that the quad exhaust tips are, in fact, a half-inch bigger.

But perhaps that's the point after decades of Pontiac scoop-and-cladding excess. Still, we think the ready-made stand-up wing from the 2007 Holden Commodore SS is just the thing for this car if you're interested, as the GXP's spoiler seems a flaccid carry-over from the GT.

Inside the cabin, you'll find that the optional leather-upholstered seats are now standard, but with large GXP logos embroidered into them. A heavily sculpted steering wheel from the Holden Commodore SS-V makes its first appearance. We'd rather it didn't, because its cartoonish contours don't fit our hands. Everything else inside is pure GT fare, including new-for-2009 Bluetooth connectivity.

Now How Much Would You Pay?
The 2009 Pontiac G8 GXP is expected to start at just over $39,000, including destination and the compulsory gas-guzzler tax. Our test car has the two most significant options, the six-speed manual and a $900 sunroof. We figure the as-tested price of our particular GXP settles just below the $41,000 mark.

If this holds true, the 2009 Pontiac G8 GXP will be cheaper than the similarly optioned SRT8 versions of the Chrysler 300 and Dodge Charger. And you can't opt for a manual in either one of those cars at any price.
Pontiac has been building up to the GXP for a long time and this time it's got some serious wide-track excitement to sell. You could argue that the 2009 Pontiac G8 GXP is more like a four-door Trans Am than a regular G8.
But the question is, has Pontiac held onto its best cards too long? Can the GXP show everyone that the G8 is good enough to make Pontiac a brand to be proud

[jred321]

sounds like it's worth a test drive. seats look like they could use a little more bolstering though. also if a manual GT was offered i probably wouldn't bother considering the GXP

[Donas64]

Words cannot describe how much I love this car.

Seriously. Keep your M5's and SRT Chargers and Challengers and New Camaroes and just about anything else. This car just does it for me.

But since I don't have close to 40K to spend (which is not a bad price at all), it looks like I'll have to settle for an MS6 or MS3 as my next car.

[coolmazda5]

You have to fork over $698 extra to get the six-speed manual.

I never thought this time would come :D

Hey, Skip Shift? (scratch)

[jred321]

they make you shift like that in the vette now. helps with fuel economy during normal driving.

i also don't mind the manual costing more. since the auto is the same as the GT they have quantity on their side to help spread development and manufacturing costs

[mikeyb]

The 6 speed manual was a pay option on the 04-06 GTOs as well.

[Protephile]

Really nice sedan. GM has finally offered some RWD performance beauties and sadly, GM's timing is terrible as always.

[jred321]

according to C&D the explanation for the bad fuel mileage:

Although the LS3 V-8 is designed to run Active Fuel Management, GM’s cylinder-cutoff system, program planners decided to leave it off the GXP, because it would have dropped engine output by 20 to 30 horsepower. Instead, the GXP gets the hated first-to-fourth-gear skip-shift system on the six-speed manual, which blocks out second and third under low-load driving. This forces the driver into fourth gear early in an effort to save fuel.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/american_performance/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_short_take_road_test

[coolmazda5]

^^ Interesting, with that much torque it might not feel weird and save some gas. Now, let me try shifting like that on my squirrel-wheel 2.3L engine hmmmm, LOL

[mikeyb]

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After taking a ride in the Pontiac G8 GXP and reading Jonathan's review, our adoration of the Aussie-bred sports sedan continues unabated. Nearly everyone we've talked to about the GXP says the same thing: "budget E39 M5." While the clichéd poor-man's Bimmer trope always causes our eyes to roll back into their sockets, this may be one of the few exceptions. According to Jalop's new reporter, Der Auto Inshiderfahvenberger, the GXP ran around the 'Ring in 8:30 -- a mere two seconds off the E39 M5's time.

The run was supposedly set by one of the GXP's development engineers – not a professional driver – but as always, we're wary of any development mule setting "unofficial" lap times, particularly when a roll cage is fitted, aiding in chassis rigidity. Regardless, it's hard to argue with a four-door sedan coming in under $40-large and delivering this level of performance.

[mikeyb]

In comparison, the E60 BMW M5’s record lap is 8:13. That car starts at $85,100 and betters the G8 GXP by 92 HP. The Porsche Boxster S is two seconds slower than the G8, despite weighing over 800 lbs less and retailing for $15,700 more.

So basically, the G8 GXP gives you the performance of a Porsche Boxster S and the practicality of an M5 with the price tag of a Pontiac.

[jred321]

why does it have australian plates on it? did they drive over from australia? on the bottom they say "Victoria - The Place to Be." i'm sure it was trucked/trailored to the track from the factory, just seems weird.

[mikeyb]

why does it have australian plates on it? did they drive over from australia? on the bottom they say "Victoria - The Place to Be." i'm sure it was trucked/trailored to the track from the factory, just seems weird.

Its not the first time I've seen Australian plates on a GM product at the ring. I've seen them on Corvettes and CTS-Vs. I think its because Holden ia the manufacturer and its their test car. Remember Vauxhall has a version of the G8 GXP the VXR8.

[Gaboost]

This seems like a really fun car. LS3 with t56 tranny in a stylish package. I'll have to drive one sometime for sure. Also, the skip shift function can easily be eliminated through the aftermarket. It's already been done with f bodies and vettes.

[CantCMe]

You have to fork over $698 extra to get the six-speed manual.

I never thought this time would come :D

Hey, Skip Shift? (scratch)

They'll have programs to defeat this, just like in the F-body and the Vettes.

I think I'm in love.

[TinmanMS6]

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By Justin Berkowitz
December 11, 2008 -

Just a few weeks ago I wrote about the Pontiac G8, one of my favorite cars, and how the prices for lightly used examples are getting rather low. Back in November, a V6 model with around 10,000 miles was $20,000. Cars with the big V8 were landing around $24,000. Now they’re even cheaper. The V8 models have hit the $20,000 mark on several have been offered below it. A Cuyahoga Falls, OH Pontiac dealer offered a 12,000 mile car for $19,994 (didn’t sell). That same dealer was, however, able to move a 361 hp G8 GT with 11,000 miles for $18,994. AutoTrader, too, is jam packed with 8-cylinder Pontiac G8s for just under $20,000 and some even have under 10,000 miles on the clock. If you are willing to get the V6 version with some 260 horsepower (though with the V8s so cheap, I’m not sure it makes sense even now), a Houston reseller was offering a 10,500 mile G8 V6 for a hair under $16,000. If the G8 is your cup of tea (and I realize that for many folks it’s not), these are stonking good deals. The question is where they will bottom out. Assuming the warranties stay intact (whether GM stays around or the government does an FDIC-style arrangement), I would think about $16,000-$17,000 is the absolute lowest a low-mileage 8-cylinder G8 could cost. That would be 50% of the original MSRP, but it remains to be seen.

[The Truth About Cars]

[jred321]

someone should price out what a manual swap costs, then add it to the price of a used G8 and see what it runs. that might make it worthwhile


does anyone know if any other older transmissions bolt up? an old C5 or C6 transmission would be cheaper than a new transmission from a Holden. or, just had another thought, what's it cost to import a used holden transmission? i know half cars and engines are shipped from japan a lot - australia isn't that far away :)

[TinmanMS6]

A C6 transmission would almost certainly bolt right up. I'd imagine a C5 probably would as well.

[mikeyb]

You two realize that both the C5 and C6 have their transmissions bolted to the differential?

[jred321]

no... their transmission is at the rear? that's weird. maybe an old camaro transmission then

[mikeyb]

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American M5: Your Bargain-Priced, BMW-Like Super Sedan Has Arrived....

Strafing along a straight-as-a-string highway at about a buck-fifty, confusion struck. Were we in America aboard Pontiac's forty-or-so-grand, Pontiac G8 GXP circa 2008, or flogging a previous-generation BMW M5-a car that cost $70,000 eight years ago-on a German autobahn? Not sure. There's plenty of high-speed stability here, yet nice ride quality. A rumbling 400-plus-horsepower V-8 engine and six-speed manual transmission. Just-right-size four-door packaging, supportive leather sport seats, big brakes. Then the radio news guy said "Obama," and we realized that this was indeed the here and now. The badge on the steering wheel confirmed it. Mention BMW's seminal sport sedan and a Pontiac in the same breath? In this instance, without hesitation.

By now, you know the G8 is based on GM global rear-drive-chassis architecture born and bred in Australia. The base V-6 and 361-horse V-8 GT versions are currently on sale and playing to solid reviews. No, the G8 wasn't designed or built in Michigan, but that doesn't mean it's not a Pontiac. The car business continues to globalize, and variations on this theme are sold as Holdens, Daewoos, Opels, Vauxhalls-even Buicks in China and Chevys in the Middle East, so get over it.

Under the hood of the GXP version rests as American a powerplant as was ever born, the latest and (nearly) greatest version of the Small Block Chevy, now called the LS3. At 6.2 liters, it grunts out 415 horsepower and the same amount of torque. Why "nearly" the greatest? Only the ZR1 and Cadillac CTS-v's supercharged version could be any greater. While the G8 GT is served only with a six-speed automatic transmission, clutch-and-shifter types can opt for a six-speed manual. We tested both and found their accelerative performance nearly identical, favoring the stick by never more than a tenth or two. And the GXP does its thing on regular-grade fuel, although it will earn a gas-guzzler tax (final pricing was not confirmed as of this writing).

The GXP designation signifies more than an engine upgrade. With more go comes more stop, in the form of Brembo brake calipers, clamping 14.0-inch rotors front and 12.8-inchers aft. The G8 GT's suspension is already competent, but is retuned for GXP duty; the biggest change is larger front and rear anti-roll bars. The shocks are stiffer, and the rear balljoints are revised. Nineteen-inch alloy wheels are standard, as is summer-rated performance rubber (all season tires are also available). Calibration of the power rack-and-pinion steering is unchanged.

Styling cues are modest: The front and rear fascias are GXP-specific. There's too much fakery here for our taste: fake hood scoops, fake diffuser treatment in back, non-functional gills on the front fenders. But Pontiac isn't the only one to play that game. A matte-black or body-color side window surround would add back some stealth, but overall, the G8 GXP is a great-looking piece, with strong shoulders, a brand-proper face, and muscular stance.

Inside you'll find thickly bolstered sport seats that really hold you in place. Rubber-trimmed alloy pedals look good and grip your Pilotis, but the beefy GXP steering wheel is a disappointment. It's square on the bottom and has cutouts for your thumbs, trying to emulate the tillers on banzai runners like the C63 AMG and BMW M3. But the lumps and bumps are all in the wrong place, creating more discomfort than benefit. The engine maxes out at 6600 revs, but you wouldn't know it from the redline-less tach that's marked to 8000.

Want more M5 references? The Pontiac is an inch and a pound larger in every direction, but nips the BMW in most performance categories. The previous-gen M5 ran 0-to-60 in 4.5 seconds; the manual trans G8 GXPs match that. The Bimmer grips to 0.84 g on the skidpad, the Pontiacs stick to 0.88-0.90 g. The BMW stops from 60-0 in 116 feet, the Pontiacs from 111-117. This is all the more impressive given the M5's near 200-pound weight advantage. Sure, the premium German performance kings have moved on from that previous-gen M5, but look what they cost. Before we forget, the LS3 sounds magnificent too; deep at idle, all pops and burbles on the overrun, yet never over the top.

As noted, we sampled both transmission offerings and find each appealing for different drivers. The manual's short, meaty stick has a crisp, direct shift linkage, although several staffers feel the clutch takeup is light and lacking engagement feel. The gear ratios are spot on. On many cars, GM cranks in an overly aggressive throttle tip-in curve that gives the impression of super-quick response, fading to nothing as the pedal goes further to the floor. In this application, it feels unnatural and jerky. The G8 GXP is legit fast -- why fake it?

The automatic offers standard Drive, Sport Drive, and Manual modes. Drive is responsive yet smooth; ideal for normal running. Sport shifts quicker, holds gears longer, and downshifts sooner. Kudos for GM delivering a true manual mode, too. Click the shifter to the manual gate, and it'll hold gears right to the rev limiter without upshifting. And it won't downshift however hard you mash the gas. It's too bad that manual gate is on the far side of the console on left-hand-drive cars. Shifter paddles would have been fun too.

There's no griping about the G8 GXP's ride and handling balance. In spite of some musclecar DNA, there's worldly breeding here. This machine is quiet at speed, with a minimum of wind noise or road rumble. The steering's weight, feel, and response are satisfying. The chassis tells you what's going on, and when the high limits are nearing. Weight distribution is a well-balanced 52 front, 48 rear. And it all comes in a package you can live with. Rear leg/headroom is excellent, even for tall occupants. The 17.5 cubic feet of trunk space is flat and useable. The audio and infotainment packages are acceptable, if not class leading, and we'd take a good touch-screen nav over OnStar's turn-by-turn directional guidance any day.

Pontiac's maximum strength G8 is a few details shy of legend, but that doesn't diminish its huge appeal and sophisticated, capable performance. The G8 GXP is a terrific, all-around sport sedan that runs with high-priced Germans. Its strong value message isn't a qualifier either, just a bonus. You could also think of the G8 GXP as a four-door Corvette of sorts. No matter, it is the best-performing, most well-balanced production Pontiac
ever. That tells you all you need to know.

[mikeyb]

no... their transmission is at the rear? that's weird. maybe an old camaro transmission then

Its not weird. Its for weight distribution. The Nissan GT-R has its trans in the rear and I think there are acouple of other vehicles that do as well. I would just go to Chevy and buy a manual out of a 09 Camaro Z28.

[Donas64]

This might be my attainable dream car. stay low gas prices stay low........

[mikeyb]

here you go Jared.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/photopost/direct_data/1003/medium/11229c6cutaway8.jpg

[jred321]

that's interesting. i knew the GTR did that but wasn't aware that camaros did as well

[coolmazda5]

MT, Now we are talking, when are the resale prices going down on this one? :p

[mikeyb]

that's interesting. i knew the GTR did that but wasn't aware that camaros did as well

No Camaros. Corvettes. I was saying you could just go to Chevy and buy a 6-speed from a Z28. The Camaro rides on the same chassis and has the same powertrains as the G8.

[jred321]

yea but that'll be expensive. i'm thinking the older LS1 camaros are a potential source of a good cheap transmission.

[TinmanMS6]

Perhaps. Maybe a wrecked GTO?

[jred321]

oh no http://www.autoblog.com/2008/12/15/goodbye-amino-pontiac-could-kill-g8-st-become-one-car-brand/

[Donas64]

oh no http://www.autoblog.com/2008/12/15/goodbye-amino-pontiac-could-kill-g8-st-become-one-car-brand/


How big would the market for the sport truck really have been. It would still be a niche product.

[coolmazda5]

I'm just glad the G8 and the G8 GXP managed to make it...

[jred321]

i would've at least test driven one.

plus if they're saying convert pontiac into a niche brand an already developed v8 rwd truck/car thing seems like the perfect way to build that identity. the biggest thing for me is that the car is already developed. it's been in other countries for years. there is little effort to bring it in and it's not a vehicle that exists in GM's lineup already (unlike the G3). why not bring it in as a low volume vehicle (<5,000)? i know they need big fixes but why not a piece at a time? stop thinking so large

[mikeyb]

GM needs to kill all the rebadged FWD cars in Pontiac's lineup. Go back to RWD vehicles. Have the G8 as the large car with a number of model variants (Sedan, Ute, Wagon, and Coupe). Keep the Solstice around and use that platfrom for a small RWD model or use the Cadillac BLS replacement as a starting point for a small RWD. Kill the G6, G5, G3, Vibe, and Torrent.

[mikeyb]

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[Donas64]

yessir! Sexay RWD Hotness!

[jred321]

fewer photos and more showing up at dealers please

[jred321]

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/12/16/2009-pontiac-g8-gxp-priced-at-39-995/

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<SMALL>Click above for a high-res gallery of the 2009 Pontiac G8 GXP</SMALL>


Pricing for the 2009 Pontiac G8 GXP (http://www.autoblog.com/tag/2009PontiacG8GXP/) has leaked out and your budget E39 M5 fantasies can be fulfilled for the princely sum of $39,995. That price includes the $1,700 gas-guzzler charge and the $685 destination fee on the base automatic-equipped model. The six-speed manual will set you back an additional $695 (just do it) and the sunroof can be yours for another $900. As expected, fuel economy is far from stellar at 13 mpg city and 20 mpg on the highway, but judging by Jonathan's review (http://www.autoblog.com/2008/11/21/in-the-autoblog-garage-2008-pontiac-g8-gxp/), the additional fuel costs are well worth the pavement-punishing fun you'll have in the most powerful production Pontiac to date. Pontiac's brief press release is posted after the break.


Gallery: In the Autoblog Garage: 2009 Pontiac G8 GXP (http://www.autoblog.com/photos/in-the-autoblog-garage-2009-pontiac-g8-gxp/)

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PRESS RELEASE

Pontiac today confirmed pricing for the 2009 Pontiac G8 GXP will start at $39,995, including $685 destination and freight charges and $1,700 in applicable federal gas guzzler taxes. With 415 horsepower and 0-60 times well under 5.0 seconds, the G8 GXPs is the most powerful production Pontiac ever created and comes standard with a six-speed automatic transmission or an optional ($695) six-speed manual transmission. A $900 sunroof option is also available.

Final EPA fuel economy ratings for the G8 GXP are 13 miles per gallon in the city, 20 miles per gallon on the highway.

[mikeyb]

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Hold on to your Budweiser coozies: Details are scarce at the moment, but Pickuptruck.com is reporting that Pontiac has quietly euthanized plans to introduce the 2010 Pontiac G8 ST. The muscular G8-based trucklet was to signal the re-emergence of the unibody pickup in North America, a genre once populated with vehicles like the Chevrolet El Camino and Ford Ranchero, along with smaller front-drive moppets like the Volkswagen Rabbit pickup and Dodge Rampage.

The Austrailian-built rear-drive G8 ST was to arrive with V8 power, a 74-inch cargo hold, and a 3500-pound towing capacity, making it less capable than full-size body-on-frame pickups like General Motors' own Silverado/GMC Sierra twins, with the predicted trade-off of markedly better handling and fuel economy.

The ST was to launch as a 2010 model later this year, and prices were rumored to start in the low $30k range. Although we are unsurprised to learn of the truck's cancellation (as GM is actively slimming down its portfolio and the baby muscle pickup was expected to serve as a small-volume niche model), we can't help but get a little misty-eyed at the loss of what promised to be a truly epic donut-making machine. G8 ST, we hardly knew ye...

[jred321]

boooooooooo

[mikeyb]

+1

[TinmanMS6]

I was shocked they were ever planning to bring it over. The sedan's barely selling right now. Good move.

[coolmazda5]

Yeah, same thing, as a matter of fact I remember reading that it was a cold case already somewhere in this thread (scratch)

It seems that in this forum there are G8 lovers, but not in the rest of the market :(

[jred321]

doesn't really make financial sense for them to bring it over now but i'm still disappointed that they made the decision. i'd certainly consider one as long as they offered a manual. hopefully when the company isn't in danger of going bankrupt they can pick this project back up. sure it'll never be a big seller but many car companies bring niche market cars over in volumes of less than 5,000 annually and make a profit on them. hopefully GM can figure out how to do the same. since the car is already developed the cost to bring it over should be small and allow a low volume profit.

[jred321]

It seems that in this forum there are G8 lovers, but not in the rest of the market :(
a lesson in the fact that enthusiasts are a small part of all car sales and what enthusiasts want isn't always a good business move. then combine that with the fact that they in many ways alienated the enthusiast market by only offering an auto and the car appeals to even fewer people.

[seanmcsean]

I wasn't surprised they killed the ST.. As cool as it was, from the beginning it was a bit of a stillborn.