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Mazdaspeed2oo35

08-18-2007, 08:57 PM

well I love my msp but I wish I had the speed3 engine on my car.

Well I Don't like Nothing at All the new Mazdaspeed 3.. for me they suck . no matter from where you see them.... and the engine aint shit... I don't understand how could mazda Change the RX-7 for an RX-8, the Protege for a Mazda 3. a Millenia for a Mazda 6... Honestly just imagine for a second a Redisign Protege how fucking bad ass would it be. AWD version. Bigger Engine I mean. I'll never Change my MSP for Any Mazdaspeed 3. and we are talking about 5 years of technology difference between them.. and I still keep my MSP... Its better Done than the MS3, Better everything. Suspension, Appareance, handling. braking. Inside. outside.. is not fast as a MS3, that don't matter. Power Without Control is uselss.. the ms3 is ugly i can't imagine how the sedan will look...... Protege is the best Compact Car that has ever exist. and the msp is the best handling production Car ever on Earth...

kickniteasy

08-18-2007, 10:46 PM

I kind of thought the same thing as far as replacing the protege for a 3......then I sat in a 3 hatch....and saw all the cool new crap.....and basically how much better it was than my car. Further more, isn't handling what the speed 3 is known for? Isn't that pretty much the only reason it's being compared to the wrx?

gone_fishin

08-18-2007, 11:18 PM

The difference between the MSP and MS3 is night and day with regard to engineering. Though it's debatable, I'd say that our MSP's were probably one of the most poorly engineered turbo-charged vehicles to be marketed. The issues that stand out the most are the piss-poor ECU, glass internals, and the poor excuse for an limited slip differential. It's been said, but with the MSP, Mazda basically slapped a turbo on a naturally aspirated setup not built to handle forced induction or any real kind of power.

In comparison, the MS3 is actually an excellently engineered piece from Mazdaspeed. With the exception of the motormount recalls, it's a solidly built and engineered vehicle. It's got the numbers to establish a reputation, and justify its price tag. Overall, it's an outstanding car. Not too hard on the eyes either, but I feel styling could have been improved a bit.

Donas64

08-18-2007, 11:26 PM

Honestly, Mazda did it mostly right with the MS3. The motor for the most part is beyond reproach. It needs to hold boost longer but overall it will be put on the same pedestal that the Neon SRT4 motor was. Its that good. The MS3's handling is making a name for itself and the car has an interior quality matched by few in its class. The styling is handsome if understated.

But boy the MSP was a nice looking car. I mean it just looked the part. The MS3 is lacking some of the MSP's personality. But its also lacking its weak, detonation prone motor.

So overall I'l say the MS3 is far better than the car it replaces and has a charm all its own. The only area where the MSP has the edge is looks.

dmention7

08-18-2007, 11:32 PM

Well I Don't like Nothing at All the new Mazdaspeed 3.. for me they suck . no matter from where you see them.... and the engine aint shit... I don't understand how could mazda Change the RX-7 for an RX-8, the Protege for a Mazda 3. a Millenia for a Mazda 6... Honestly just imagine for a second a Redisign Protege how fucking bad ass would it be. AWD version. Bigger Engine I mean. I'll never Change my MSP for Any Mazdaspeed 3. and we are talking about 5 years of technology difference between them.. and I still keep my MSP... Its better Done than the MS3, Better everything. Suspension, Appareance, handling. braking. Inside. outside.. is not fast as a MS3, that don't matter. Power Without Control is uselss.. the ms3 is ugly i can't imagine how the sedan will look...... Protege is the best Compact Car that has ever exist. and the msp is the best handling production Car ever on Earth...

Almost sounds like you're bordering on sarcasm with some of those remarks, but I can't tell for sure.

However, having owned both a mazda3 and a MSP, and having driven both base and mazdaspeed trims of both platforms, I'm going to have to disagree.

The 3 is a very worthy predecessor to the protege. IMO, the 3 has about everything the protege has/had, but with a stroke of refinement added to it that's only natural to expect, given that it's had a couple years of evolution. The 3 has been praised almost universally for its handling and driving feel, and the MS3 takes that up another notch, performance-wise. Both the MZ3 and MS3 are in a league with significantly more expensive vehicles when it comes to handling, and certainly nothing to scoff at. That's speaking nothing of the monster power that the MS3 lays down...

I have several friends with both MSPs and MS3s. The universal opinion is that, disregarding the obvious mismatch in power, the primary difference between the two vehicles is refinement. The MSP is much more raw in its character and behavior, while the MS3 has more of a polished feel to it. Both cars are an absolute blast to drive (A couple of my MS3 friends actually occasionally ask if we can swap cars for a short drive), but their characters are quite different.

IMO, the styling of the MSP vs MS3 is a continuation of that theme. MSP has a very aggressive appearance package, from the gaping fogs/vents (depending on your model year) to the flashy color coices, to the oversized wing, it's continuing the raw and obvious sports-influence attitude. The MS3 on the other hand is done up in a much more subtle method that does not obviously bely what it's actually packing. With the exception of true red, the available colors are also quite understated (cosmic blue = perfect sleeper color).

So yeah, that's the biggest difference between the two generations of mazda's compacts: refinement. And given the vehicles that the MS3 is being routinely grouped against (Civic SI, GTI, etc), it's only natural that mazda would have stepped up that aspect.

And there's been a lot of arguing over whether the MS3 should've been a sedan.... but, well, the MSP and MS6 were both sedans... time to give the "wagon" a chance to strut its stuff. Besides that, the hatch body was kind of the differentiating body that really made the mazda3 stand out, appearance-wise.

Just my $.02

Mazdaspeed2oo35

08-19-2007, 01:29 AM

Almost sounds like you're bordering on sarcasm with some of those remarks, but I can't tell for sure.

However, having owned both a mazda3 and a MSP, and having driven both base and mazdaspeed trims of both platforms, I'm going to have to disagree.

The 3 is a very worthy predecessor to the protege. IMO, the 3 has about everything the protege has/had, but with a stroke of refinement added to it that's only natural to expect, given that it's had a couple years of evolution. The 3 has been praised almost universally for its handling and driving feel, and the MS3 takes that up another notch, performance-wise. Both the MZ3 and MS3 are in a league with significantly more expensive vehicles when it comes to handling, and certainly nothing to scoff at. That's speaking nothing of the monster power that the MS3 lays down...

I have several friends with both MSPs and MS3s. The universal opinion is that, disregarding the obvious mismatch in power, the primary difference between the two vehicles is refinement. The MSP is much more raw in its character and behavior, while the MS3 has more of a polished feel to it. Both cars are an absolute blast to drive (A couple of my MS3 friends actually occasionally ask if we can swap cars for a short drive), but their characters are quite different.

IMO, the styling of the MSP vs MS3 is a continuation of that theme. MSP has a very aggressive appearance package, from the gaping fogs/vents (depending on your model year) to the flashy color coices, to the oversized wing, it's continuing the raw and obvious sports-influence attitude. The MS3 on the other hand is done up in a much more subtle method that does not obviously bely what it's actually packing. With the exception of true red, the available colors are also quite understated (cosmic blue = perfect sleeper color).

So yeah, that's the biggest difference between the two generations of mazda's compacts: refinement. And given the vehicles that the MS3 is being routinely grouped against (Civic SI, GTI, etc), it's only natural that mazda would have stepped up that aspect.

And there's been a lot of arguing over whether the MS3 should've been a sedan.... but, well, the MSP and MS6 were both sedans... time to give the "wagon" a chance to strut its stuff. Besides that, the hatch body was kind of the differentiating body that really made the mazda3 stand out, appearance-wise.

Just my $.02

I mean, I can Understand part of what you and some other are saying. there is like i said 5 years of difference in technology in these cars and I still think the MSP with the proper mods, and fixing the weak spots is a better car than any SRT-4 which I think is the ugliest car ive ever seen. Its a Dodge, Rental Car Interior, just Big Engine with no handling, Style, Brakes or interior charm.. STi's are way to expensive for what it offers.. the interior is cheese, yeah 300 HP, AWD cool. but not a car do die for.. EVO very nice car. nice packages, very expensive and lots of them... look at the new models.. They Suck dick.. the newer the uglier they make it. I mean A MSP with the proper mods, and some descent money on it, is a peace of gold that just a few lucky guys can own.. I mean. how many Srt's you see around ? Evo's, STI's ? but how many well done and powerfull MSP's you see around ? how many civic's with big Horsepower numbers, alot... the MSP is a fucking Great car and people doubts the Capacity of the car to be a real bad boy with the proper parts and some descent money.. Why have a car everyones drives ? when you can have a car just a FEW, I said few with MSP's with big numbers, once Again you can say the speed 3 has better everything, newer and what ever else, but even though the MSP is a Weak Stock production Vehicle it will kick any cars out there in appearance and package for the price it costed and the year it was made.... once again.. I will never change my MSP for non of the vehicles mentioned above. that's why most vehicle manufacters are bringing back to life old model vehicles cause the new ones just suck a fat D++k.. for me the MS3 aint' all that shit. srt's, evo's and sti's.... Hondas, Just to freaking many.. my personal opinion.. that's why I created these thread to share ideas and thoughs about these 2 cars.. lets keep these thread rolling...

dmention7

08-19-2007, 01:39 AM

Mazdaspeed2oo35

08-19-2007, 01:49 AM

Can you expand a little on what you don't like about the speed3? I respect your opinion and all, and I'm just trying to get a better idea of what your position is on that platform (besides that you don't care for it... lol). You're completely entitled to not like it, but it's a bit strong to say that they suck all around.

Well I see that you have a MSP 03.5 aren't you? well you tell me what you dont like about your car and what do you like about the MS3 ? First, the Design of the MS3 I don't like it at all. It looks Heavy, the Dashboard for me it's Ugly, the gages are ugly. It's a Hatch, the outside of the car is not what I spected. I mean. The Engine for me aint all that shit people thinks.. Obviously there is a technology difference between them. the seats are nicer, it comes with Navy, HID's. 18's etc. but that car don't really mean anything, samething about SRT's people loves to lick ass about those cars, Sti's, Evos' I really don't know what they see on them. it comes with better engine and transmission , I agree but let me tell you something, you know Pirana ? have you seen hes msp ? Just tell me one thing about that MSP that cannot be compared to any of the vehicles above ? I'll take his msp anytime next to any 10000 hp evo, srt, sti's... why. cause is fucking nice, is unique and nobody has one like it.. make your shit nice, and don't lick balls like other people does with others cars that aint' really a better car than yours. in these case ours.. the MSP

tritonheat1

08-19-2007, 01:52 AM

I can understand what both of you are saying.........But you really can't compare both car's!!

I mean i know the MSP is part of the protege's platform and the Speed3 is part of the 3's platform and the 3 replaced the Protege.

But the Protege's biggest downfall was the weak ass FS Motor it had

The 3's biggest downfall is the ugly ass-concept look it has.

So one make's up for another.............really couldn't have the whole package but have 2 settle for somethings.

I personally like both car's MSP and MS3. I wouldn't mind having either or, but that's just me..............

Donas64

08-19-2007, 01:59 AM

2.3 disi in MSP = dream swap!

Mazdaspeed2oo35

08-19-2007, 02:04 AM

2.3 disi in MSP = dream swap!

lol. Still don't understand what's all about the 2.3 disi engine crush men... with proper parts and some descent money FS-DE is a good platform.. ask EL DENGUE about hes 680whp Shity ass FS-DE Engine and wack ass tranny...

sandspeed

08-19-2007, 02:09 AM

I personally like the speed3 and the fact that its a hatch is pretty cool. I test drove one and enjoyed driving it very much. It might not feel as sharp but was a lot more comfortable and rigid. For some reason I felt a lot safer in the speed3 than my msp. I would love to have one for a daily driver so I could keep the protege running strong for the weekends. I think if mazda had put more r & d into engineering the msp it would have been a better performer than it was/is but is still a fun car nonetheless. I wouldn't have bought one if I didn't think it was worth it.

1moreMPH

08-19-2007, 02:31 AM

when the ms3's first came out i kinda thought it was the gayest shit ever. I couldn't believe they tried to make a sporty performance-led vehicle into a freakin hatchback. I did not think they looked good, though the engine was beefy, and i didn't think handling would be that great.

Since then, i have seen, followed, led, and been inside a few ms3's and have completely changed my opinion. The looks have REALLY grown on me and i actually like them now, especially with a badass feel to it since it's a monster on the inside but tame hatch on the outside; though still tough. The engine is great, especially with a few modifications, and the handling is pretty sick. When me and some buddies were WOT'ing on some mountain roads a week ago, the speed3 in front of me was definitely hugging the road a lot better. I was able to keep up speed-wise, but they are glued to the ground with a lot of power. Also the inside is re-vamped into total hotness. After checking it out, im not gonna lie i was imagining a trade-in. But i don't know if i could ditch the msp... gotta love it.

And Sandspeed -- everytime i look at your sig i fall in love with this thing all over again. The black on gold 3.5 is just a sick look. you have a hot car. props to j00, im jealous -- i wanna black!!

sandspeed

08-19-2007, 02:48 AM

thanks dude.
I agree with you that the speed3 is indeed a fun car but I wish it came with cooler stock wheels. I noticed alot of speed3 owners change out their stock wheels in favor of an aftermarket rim. That is one thing the msp has over the speed3, the stock racing harts are much cleaner wheels.

dmention7

08-19-2007, 10:44 AM

Well I see that you have a MSP 03.5 aren't you? well you tell me what you dont like about your car and what do you like about the MS3 ? First, the Design of the MS3 I don't like it at all. It looks Heavy, the Dashboard for me it's Ugly, the gages are ugly. It's a Hatch, the outside of the car is not what I spected. I mean. The Engine for me aint all that shit people thinks.. Obviously there is a technology difference between them. the seats are nicer, it comes with Navy, HID's. 18's etc. but that car don't really mean anything, samething about SRT's people loves to lick ass about those cars, Sti's, Evos' I really don't know what they see on them. it comes with better engine and transmission , I agree but let me tell you something, you know Pirana ? have you seen hes msp ? Just tell me one thing about that MSP that cannot be compared to any of the vehicles above ? I'll take his msp anytime next to any 10000 hp evo, srt, sti's... why. cause is fucking nice, is unique and nobody has one like it.. make your shit nice, and don't lick balls like other people does with others cars that aint' really a better car than yours. in these case ours.. the MSP

What I don't like about my car? I wouldn't mind toning down the exterior styling a bit--I love the sharp angular lines, but sometimes I would ditch the wing in a minute, but it's not worth it for the cost of having the holes filled and the trunk repainted. The boyracer-ish look sometimes attracts a lot of unwanted attention. Also, a turbo engine making 170hp is undeniably more fun than a NA engine making the same... but when it comes down to it, 170hp on a 2850lb car is not much to brag about. The interior is probably pretty nice for an 03, but coming from my mazda3, that was the biggest downgrade. And like others have mentioned, the engineering on the MSP's engine could have been taken up a notch. It's closer to an aftermarket turbo kit on a NA motor, whereas the MS3's engine has at least been reworked a fair amount (probably due to the fact that it's being used in the MS6 and, to some degree, the CX-7)

What do I like about the 3/MS3? Contrary to your (and many others') opinion, I love the 3 hatch. When I was shopping in July of '05, it was the only new car on the market in my price range that I could honestly say made me excited to look at--especially the hatch. I loved the clean, smooth, classy lines. The styling, IMO was simply a class above any other car in the price range. The interior was also quite nice--none of the cheap feeling plastic and econobox design that other cars had. What sold me the most was that it was a completely civilized daily driver that was actually a lot of fun to toss through corners. From 04-06, they also had some pretty nice wheels--too bad they killed that in 07 with those gawd-awful snowflakes. They also could've done a better job on the MS3/6 wheels, given that they were able to outfit the MSP (especially 03.5!) with those beautiful Racing Harts. I'm honestly happy they decided to go with a hatch for the MS3. I think they were able to keep the styling a lot more subtle that way, allowing it to compete to some degree with more upscale vehicles.

The bottom line for me is that the MSP is a great little car (otherwise I probably wouldn't own one), but I'm not going to put it on a pedestal. Sure there are some big boost MSPs running around, but once Cobb and other companies get some solid tuning tools out for the MS3, I'm sure 500hp will become relatively common on that car. I'd say, enjoy the MSP for what it is--it has a lot of respect among the mazda crowd for being the first mazdaspeed to hit north america, and a hot little car that's an absolute blast to drive. It's got enough going for it that there's no reason to try and make it out to be more than it is.

xgeoffx801

08-20-2007, 02:32 AM

they are sick cars. and the car i wanted before the msp. but after getting the msp and driving in a ms3 theres no way id trade in. they arent that quick either ive beet my buddies numerous times. same goes with the 6

ItsSlow

08-20-2007, 04:28 AM

Mazdaspeed2oo35, you sound biased as hell..

CantCMe

08-20-2007, 07:30 AM

I know for me I was pissed that I bought an '02 ES about a month before the msp came out (and only about a $1000 difference), and I've driven both the msp and ms3 and I would take the msp hands down. The ms3 is quicker but to me can't touch the msp in the handling department. I do wish that Mazda would have put waaaayy more energy and engineering in the msp's motor and lsd, but before I install my turbo on my ES i'll go forged and the other proper mods so it doesn't go boom. And in the looks department (and yeah, I'm biased) I'll also go with the msp. But it all comes down to personal taste...there's not one perfect car out there in this or any other segment, and yeah the FS motor should have been made with stronger internals to handle a turbo, but I love my ride. And I might get flamed for this comment, but damn, wouldn't it have been a good idea to put that Cosworth motor (from the Focus SVT) in the msp then turbo that? That motor started off with 170 hp and they could have just boosted it to about 7psi...just a thought.

1moreMPH

08-20-2007, 09:47 AM

but damn, wouldn't it have been a good idea to put that Cosworth motor (from the Focus SVT) in the msp then turbo that? That motor started off with 170 hp and they could have just boosted it to about 7psi...just a thought.

no shit! CantCMe for Mazda President!!! Ford = Mazda, they are the same company, the reason they didn't use that engine just baffles me.

Knox Joe

08-20-2007, 10:16 AM

no shit! CantCMe for Mazda President!!! Ford = Mazda, they are the same company, the reason they didn't use that engine just baffles me.

6 speed too...

livelyjay

08-20-2007, 10:27 AM

no shit! CantCMe for Mazda President!!! Ford = Mazda, they are the same company, the reason they didn't use that engine just baffles me.
Problem being engine mounting, transmission mounting, etc. The point of the MSP was to take a great suspension platform and make the hottest sport compact on the market at the time and keep it cheap. The only way to do that was to work with what you have in the Protege already. Modding it to handle the SVT engine and tranny would have cost too much.

Any ways, back to the argument between MS3 and MSP. I haven't driven the MS3 yet, but if the handling is anything like the MSP, I would seriously consider buying the MS3. The kicker is that it's a hatch, therefore more versatile in daily usage. The 18" wheels bother me though, because tires are going to be so much more expensive. Also the MSP is so much lighter and gets better gas mileage, which is better for daily use as well.

CantCMe

08-20-2007, 02:58 PM

no shit! CantCMe for Mazda President!!! Ford = Mazda, they are the same company, the reason they didn't use that engine just baffles me.

Thanks for the vote man!!

Problem being engine mounting, transmission mounting, etc. The point of the MSP was to take a great suspension platform and make the hottest sport compact on the market at the time and keep it cheap. The only way to do that was to work with what you have in the Protege already. Modding it to handle the SVT engine and tranny would have cost too much.

If they actually thought they could make "the hottest sport compact on the market at the time and keep it cheap" Mazda is more f*cked up than I thought. Hottest and Cheap has never cut it before, nor will it ever. Stock msp's engines are blowing up left and right...yeah, cheap. They could have installed forged pistons and rods and other stuff to handle the extra power and raise the price another grand or $1500 and it still would have sold...

But I still would take it over the ms3 due to the fact that because of this wonderful forum I know what will break on my car before it happens and I'll go in and do the things Mazda should have done in the first place. I do think the ms3 is a nice ride, but just not for me...now if they would just put that motor in the sedan 3...

We Are Ninja

08-21-2007, 11:46 AM

Mazdaspeed2oo35, you sound biased as hell..

Werd. I too thought it was sarcasm at first...

IMO, the MS3 is the natural evolution of the MSP. It's a littl bigger, a little heavier, substanitally more refined, and retardedly more powerful. I'm not a fan of it's hatchiness, but looks are always subjective. I'd take one in addition to my MSP, but not for my MSP. IMO, The Protege's lack of refinement makes it much more intimate; I appreciate the rawness; it's what I bought it for. Kind of like the Integra Type R... (breakn)

fr0st

08-21-2007, 04:33 PM

me im more of a ms6 fan.. alot more user firendly in snow here..

my msp is crap in snow..

geomatics_tech

08-21-2007, 05:13 PM

me im more of a ms6 fan.. alot more user firendly in snow here..

my msp is crap in snow..

Get some Nokians, my MSP kicks serious ass in the snow (within the limits of fwd).

fr0st

08-21-2007, 05:43 PM

(within the limits of fwd).thats the problem .. boost and snow with FWD is crap.. i got spiked tires and i still hate it in the snow.. and im a handbrake expert too.. my previous car (corolla) i would drift the back of the car 100 feet long and turn 90 degrees like a mofo.. it was more rally than driving. lol

but the msp does not have the same balance for some unknow reason.

Rush

08-21-2007, 10:04 PM

thats the problem .. boost and snow with FWD is crap.. i got spiked tires and i still hate it in the snow.. and im a handbrake expert too.. my previous car (corolla) i would drift the back of the car 100 feet long and turn 90 degrees like a mofo.. it was more rally than driving. lol

but the msp does not have the same balance for some unknow reason.
My MSP handles better in the snow than any other FWD car I've driven. Sounds like you're trying to DRIFT through the snow, not DRIVE in it. That makes a difference.

Get a good set of snow tires and the MSP is FTW in winter, IMO.

Arok22

08-24-2007, 07:18 AM

I like both. I love my MSP and I love the MS3. I have put a lot of thought into how I could afford a Speed3. Just is not going to happen for a while. In 2003 for the choices of cars and performance, handling, and price range... You cannot lose with the MSP. Its pretty sad when you see "bug eyed" WRX's for $17k with over 100k miles on them. Two words "OVER RATED". People can afford the MSP and those who can afford the MS3... Congrats. IMO... MS3 wins in everything. It's just how evolution goes. Oh.. how cute... the MSP is all grown up now!! I hope to be able to own a MS3 or MS6 within 2 years. I like them a lot, the features are hot, and you can't buy anything else right now with the value, performance, and features in the price range.

Final verdict: Love my MSP.... Will upgrade to MS3 in future. (rei)

shamrock

09-07-2007, 09:45 AM

I do like the MSP, but with its so-called weak internals I will choose to get the MS3. The MSPengine issue, is like the WRX issue with its trans(nailbyt)
BUT, I do wish that the MS3 had the color choices of the MSP. And it would have been cool to see a MS3 version in the sedan as well. If that were the case I would get the MS3 sedan for sure, but I cant say that I dislike the hatch. I just like the sedans more. So sometime soon I will be purchasing a silver sport MS3(friday)

And I do not believe for one second that a MSP can keep up with a MS3, 170hp<263hp, plus the amount of tq that the MS3 has. NO WAY

CantCMe

09-07-2007, 09:52 AM

I went to the dealership looking for a ms6 (which they didn't have) and took the ms3 for a test drive (again) and I can see why people luv this car. I still favor the msp but the power difference between the two is easily detected. But $30K? Wow...put the motor in the sedan and lower the price, please.

nvmsp

09-07-2007, 09:59 AM

ya but look at wat the MS3 is boosting out of the box, then compare that to what the MSP is boostin right out of the box. I wonder why ones faster....

The msp l00ks better anyway!

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-07-2007, 10:00 AM

mazpro

09-07-2007, 10:08 AM

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-07-2007, 10:34 AM

damn man, there really is no need for those comments "F==K MS3's".
I understand that you love your MSP and don't like the MS3, but you should respect it for what it is. it's not like it's a piece of shit, it's actually the best sport compact car currently.

buddie that was just a playing around expression. not meant to hurt anyone here or disrespect any. Buddie Best Sport compact out there cause basically the cars that are coming out recently they suck. look at the new EVO, STI ... i swear men i don't understand how can the designers do something like that so nasty men.. the MS3 it's nice, but most of you people are just looking about the power of the car and how fast it is... same thing when the SRT-4 came out.. wow... super fast, big ass engine, but what esle is good in that car ? brakes ? suspension ? handling ? Interior ? manual rear windows mechanism ? C' mon men. don't focus in just one issue about the MS3 . power aint everything theres tons of car out there much nicer than the ms3 with less power.

shamrock

09-07-2007, 10:42 AM

Honestly I really don't give a damn about the power Difference between the MSP and MS3, for sure even technology in years difference for me, MSP its one of a kind, and would never change my msp when it was bone stock, and not doing it the way i have it now, no matter if the MS3 has 4000whp. for me they are ugly ass hell, the MS3 has no chance about look, hadling and braking of the MSP, people it's not how fast it is, its an overall thing, even though we are comparing a 4 years old car to a brand 2008 model. my opinion the MS3 Still got nothing to do against my MSP or any other MSP in here in the forums.. theres tons of sick ass ones in here, Pirana's , Rush's ETC, dont get confused about the power one has and the other, with descent money you can fix the weakness parts of the MSP and really turn to have one of a KIND Jewell out there... F==K MS3's....

I like the MSP aswell, but you have to understand where you and your MSP are on the food chain. I wouldnt say that they are ugly though. The MSP looks like it is a nock off of the 04-05 WRX. You take off your MSP body kit and then tell me how good looking your car is(rlaugh). The MS3 is superior in every way, power, breaking, suspension. After all it is the car that replaced yours(hand)

mazpro

09-07-2007, 10:45 AM

buddie that was just a playing around expression. not meant to hurt anyone here or disrespect any. Buddie Best Sport compact out there cause basically the cars that are coming out recently they suck. look at the new EVO, STI ... i swear men i don't understand how can the designers do something like that so nasty men.. the MS3 it's nice, but most of you people are just looking about the power of the car and how fast it is... same thing when the SRT-4 came out.. wow... super fast, big ass engine, but what esle is good in that car ? brakes ? suspension ? handling ? Interior ? manual rear windows mechanism ? C' mon men. don't focus in just one issue about the MS3 . power aint everything theres tons of car out there much nicer than the ms3 with less power.

yeah, i agree with the new cars sucking, the EVO is growing on me but the STI (pukey)(puke)

BTW, when is your car going to be done, it's being built by Manuel right?

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-07-2007, 10:50 AM

I like the MSP aswell, but you have to understand where you and your MSP are on the food chain. I wouldnt say that they are ugly though. The MSP looks like it is a nock off of the 04-05 WRX. You take off your MSP body kit and then tell me how good looking your car is(rlaugh). The MS3 is superior in every way, power, breaking, suspension. After all it is the car that replaced yours(hand)

I respect your Opinion, but thats your Opinion. Suspension, and Braking the MS3 it's better ?, you got to be Kidding buddie. there is a day and night difference between braking and handling about the MSP against the MS3, and let me tell you something, By Discontinuing the MSP to produce the MS3 don't mean it's better.. Automobile Manufactures are recently fucking the market up with the shit they are producing, Don't tell me the RX-7 its not 10000000000 times better in every aspect than the Useless Junk RX-8 ? what about the Supra ? C ' mon men.. don't focus in just the power, that MS3 It's fucking heavier than the msp, i've been in a Track inside a MS3, and then in my MSP, and let me tell you something men.. Even Stevie Wonder will Noticed which car is which by the way each other handles and brakes, and corners. yes MSP came up weak with the engine internals, but also was the Idea of mazdaspeed Production Car to exist. the MSP has nothing that Some Descent money can't fix.. the Exterior of the MSP it's way light years better than the MS3, even a Regular Protege ES looks better than a Regular 3...

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-07-2007, 10:55 AM

yeah, i agree with the new cars sucking, the EVO is growing on me but the STI (pukey)(puke)

BTW, when is your car going to be done, it's being built by Manuel right?

yeah.. it's about to be done. Just Waiting for the Custom Big Brake Kit. and I Would love to see a MS3 Owner, EVO, STI, or SRT-4 what they got to say to me when my shit it's done.. Im not sweating my shit or trying to be a bad ass here, but My Purpose is beign Happy with my car, and Proof others these cars are not a peace of shit, and with money you can make them a true Freaking Monster, in Every Aspect, Appearance, Performance, Confort, Racing Etc... I hate when people don't fucking believe in the capabilities of these little cars... shit. Look at Pirana's, JOKA's.... Gime a fucking break, will you change those cars for a MS3 ? you got be smoking some expired shit if you do..

shamrock

09-07-2007, 03:35 PM

I respect your Opinion, but thats your Opinion. Suspension, and Braking the MS3 it's better ?, you got to be Kidding buddie. there is a day and night difference between braking and handling about the MSP against the MS3, and let me tell you something, By Discontinuing the MSP to produce the MS3 don't mean it's better.. Automobile Manufactures are recently fucking the market up with the shit they are producing, Don't tell me the RX-7 its not 10000000000 times better in every aspect than the Useless Junk RX-8 ? what about the Supra ? C ' mon men.. don't focus in just the power, that MS3 It's fucking heavier than the msp, i've been in a Track inside a MS3, and then in my MSP, and let me tell you something men.. Even Stevie Wonder will Noticed which car is which by the way each other handles and brakes, and corners. yes MSP came up weak with the engine internals, but also was the Idea of mazdaspeed Production Car to exist. the MSP has nothing that Some Descent money can't fix.. the Exterior of the MSP it's way light years better than the MS3, even a Regular Protege ES looks better than a Regular 3...

C'mon how can you say that that the MS3 cant handle as good as your MSP. Did you ever see the vid on Edmonds with the 2-08 WRX's, MSP, NSX. The MS3 pulls almost the same g as the STI. And you can not say the MSP will hand with and STI in the corners. I will admit that the MS3 is heavier,3180-2850lbs about 330lbs. But the MS3 also packs 93 more hp and 120lbs more Tq. 263hp-170hp and 280tq-160tq Now those are some big differences in numbers. So tell me how does the MSP outpreform the MS3(uhm)

Dont get me wrong I really like the MSP. But in all honesty I do think that the MS3 will run away from the MSP. Think of it as a 2001 Cobra compared to a 2003-4 Cobra(drive2)

fr0st

09-07-2007, 03:44 PM

weight is enemy #1 for handling.. that 3-400 pounds will certainly not help you in corners..

Rush

09-07-2007, 03:46 PM

The MSP looks like it is a nock off of the 04-05 WRX. You take off your MSP body kit and then tell me how good looking your car is(rlaugh).
How you can say that a MSP even remotely resembles that generation of WRX is beyond my comprehension. An EVO, perhaps. But a WRX? Absolutely not.

And saying that a regular Protege is unappealing .. If we're going to take that perspective, strip the EVO down to a baseline Lancer and strip an STi down to a baseline WRX. My vote would still go to the Protege.

Then again, that's only my opinion. To each their own.

As far as performance? That depends on your definition of 'performance'. If you're talking about straightline speed performance, then the MS3 wins. If you're talking about handling performance, such as taking corners, then the MSP wins without a doubt.

shamrock

09-07-2007, 03:59 PM

How you can say that a MSP even remotely resembles that generation of WRX is beyond my comprehension. An EVO, perhaps. But a WRX? Absolutely not.

And saying that a regular Protege is unappealing .. If we're going to take that perspective, strip the EVO down to a baseline Lancer and strip an STi down to a baseline WRX. My vote would still go to the Protege.

Then again, that's only my opinion. To each their own.

As far as performance? That depends on your definition of 'performance'. If you're talking about straightline speed performance, then the MS3 wins. If you're talking about handling performance, such as taking corners, then the MSP wins without a doubt.

How can you say it out handles it. Like I said before when the MS3 was tested it pulled almost the same amount of g's as an STI(bow)
Could your MSP hang with an STI in the twisties, maybe, but not like a MS3

If you took off the fender flares and hood scoop(04-05 wrx) it would look almost just like a MSP(lol2)

Rush---hasen't your boyfriend taught you anything about cars............I'm just kidding

Buca

09-07-2007, 05:53 PM

shamrock

09-07-2007, 06:37 PM

Ouch someone saying "RUSH" doesn't know anything about cars. Hell I wish my Girlfriend was 1/10 into cars and had her knowledge as much as "RUSH" does.

Can anyone tell I'm shooting for brownie points...(drive2)

Like I said at the bottom of my post, I was j/k. It seems like she has a good knowledge about cars(drinks)

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-07-2007, 08:10 PM

Bump for RUSH,,,, sweet ass MSP, and lots of knowledge about cars in here cutie Face.... Definately Rush,, MSP are Way Better in Handling, Cornering and Braking than the MS3, I've raced BWM M3 SMG in Cornering and high speed curves, they don't even get close to me. I have raced also srt's sti's and evos, and let me tell you they don't impress me in anything, speed, torque, and handling... MSP are just a better car than them. considering we are older and with a weak engine. like i said descent money in the engine and a little better suspension, no known enemies out there for theses cars. so sad that people don't believe in these little cars.. Proteges have been the all time best compact car ever... if mazda were still making the Proteges we'll still be the best sport compact car out there. that's why the MS3 is suppously is the best, cause they are not taking in consideration the Proteges since they don't make them anymore. I've been in Sti's and Evos, and the interior aint all that shit people thinks. I love My MSP and i'll never change it for any other car outthere no matter how fast and expensive they are

D-rock240

09-07-2007, 08:39 PM

I'm biased, I prefer the MSP look to any 3. And handling wise, the MSP has my vote. The MS3's are so fast stock though...

CantCMe

09-07-2007, 08:55 PM

To me if you put the cost in it, the msp wins. How much was it brand new, about $18k? That was a steal in '02-03. Man, they want $30k for a ms3 GT!!! Whoa, that's expensive...I mean, if I'm spendin' that much for a car, I'm not even purchasing ANYTHING in the sports compact segment.

tsunami

09-07-2007, 09:22 PM

CantCMe

09-07-2007, 09:32 PM

its not a 30k car come on guys...

also the brakes in the ms3 are one of the things that every review of it have raved about... and the handling it pulls some where around .89g on a skid pad out of the box... seriously people... with just a tmic upgrade and a cai people are gaining close to 30whp or something silly like that it seems like a very mod friendly car i don't really understand the hate towards it in those departments... the looks now those are totaly subjective so to each their own..

No hate here, but unless my eyes are bad, when I looked at the sticker, and that things read $30, 249, which I think is crazy. I'm not in my teens, or my early 20's, and numbers do impress me to a point, but I'm not paying $30k for a hatchback...can't do it. For that amount I'll grab something in another segment, like a G37 or something...just more my taste in a car in that price range. More than likely I can talk the dealer down, but the price is kinda a put-off-for me.

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-07-2007, 09:41 PM

No hate here, but unless my eyes are bad, when I looked at the sticker, and that things read $30, 249, which I think is crazy. I'm not in my teens, or my early 20's, and numbers do impress me to a point, but I'm not paying $30k for a hatchback...can't do it. For that amount I'll grab something in another segment, like a G37 or something...just more my taste in a car in that price range. More than likely I can talk the dealer down, but the price is kinda a put-off-for me.

Yow B.I.G... theres no need to spend $ 30k in a MS3, or get a G37 you already got a sick ass platform, even better if is paid off.. fix your shit nice and be unique,,, there is no need to get in more car payments when after you sign the papers and that shit looses around $ 4-6k right there.. fuck that.. mazdas in the market are worth nothing, you buy that shit for $ 30k and a few months later that shit is worth less than half. so why get into another insane ass payment plan when you can spend $ 2,5, 7k and make your shit nice and paid off.... you know what's makes me feel good men ? beign at a light next to any other car, Evo, Sti's MS3, and i look at them, saying.. I got a sweet ass ride and ITS PAID OFF buddies.... that shit is definately Priceless.. good luck with MS3 owners and their insane ass car prices and payments at month.... !!!!!!

CantCMe

09-07-2007, 10:01 PM

Yow B.I.G... theres no need to spend $ 30k in a MS3, or get a G37 you already got a sick ass platform, even better if is paid off.. fix your shit nice and be unique,,, there is no need to get in more car payments when after you sign the papers and that shit looses around $ 4-6k right there.. fuck that.. mazdas in the market are worth nothing, you buy that shit for $ 30k and a few months later that shit is worth less than half. so why get into another insane ass payment plan when you can spend $ 2,5, 7k and make your shit nice and paid off.... you know what's makes me feel good men ? beign at a light next to any other car, Evo, Sti's MS3, and i look at them, saying.. I got a sweet ass ride and ITS PAID OFF buddies.... that shit is definately Priceless.. good luck with MS3 owners and their insane ass car prices and payments at month.... !!!!!!

Nothing wrong with that, but for me and my ride I think eventually I'm gonna need to get something bigger. I got 3 kids and when they get bigger they're not gonna be stuffed in my Pro...we have another car for that...but sometime soon I need to get something bigger. But believe me, the Pro ain't going NOWHERE! (drive2) But I'm gonna need another alternative sometimes, that's all.

spd_dvl

09-07-2007, 10:14 PM

Well in all honesty the MSP i believe is styled better than the Mazdaspeed3. However the power plant in the MS3 stock for stock is far superior, but you can build anything to break beyond. Again this falls on what your looking for in a car.

In my opinion the MSP like most Mazdas was not intended for auto cross and road racing not straight light racing. Now you can build a 500hp Protege motor. But i enjoy to daily drive my MSP so a build for 300-350hp would be plenty.

The MS3 styling is honstly poorly done, unlike its bigger brother the 6 is done very well. But if you look at the 3 and the Dodge Caliber SRT-4 there are simaliar and i believe Mazda wanted to hit the floor first against the SRT-4.

Now this all goes on people's opinions some like things, while others done. No matter which car you go with they are all great cars.

benflagg

09-07-2007, 10:43 PM

CantCMe

09-07-2007, 10:51 PM

It would cost close to 20k to build the protege i want. So plus the initial cost that i payed for the car, that would put me at 36 thousand dollars. Honestly My MSP is not really worth that. When i Pay it off im probably going to get another MR2 for my toy car. I may keep it to drive around, but im tired of daily driving this car, and have been considering something more comfortable as my daily. My favorite options so far are Honda Element, Or mayhaps a G35.

I wouldn't mind a G37...just don't want a car note for now. But more than likely when I get my car running the way I want I'll forget even thinking about buying something else...my Pro's been up and down I-64 soo much it's crazy, and with more power it will be even more fun! But get rid of it for a ms3, not gonna happen.

RixterGT

09-07-2007, 11:12 PM

Should just do what I did, don't worry about what's best, just get what you like.

Also, the two cars aren't even in the same price range, but maybe that's not a factor for some people.

benflagg

09-07-2007, 11:16 PM

I just cant handle the daily drive in my MSP anymore. After a while in that car, especialy on 264, 64, and North Hampton, my back is killing me.

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-07-2007, 11:19 PM

I just cant handle the daily drive in my MSP anymore. After a while in that car, especialy on 264, 64, and North Hampton, my back is killing me.

Easy solution. sell that shit right of way.... what do you plan to buy after ?

CantCMe

09-07-2007, 11:21 PM

I just cant handle the daily drive in my MSP anymore. After a while in that car, especialy on 264, 64, and North Hampton, my back is killing me.

I feel ya with that...I hit a pothole on some road near 264 (Mercury blvd i think) soo hard that the damn thing jumped out of gear! Didn't help that it's lowered with harder shock/spring set-up and low-pro tires...but it's fun, and driving something else for the daily would be nice on my back, too.

shamrock

09-08-2007, 06:17 PM

Yow B.I.G... theres no need to spend $ 30k in a MS3, or get a G37 you already got a sick ass platform, even better if is paid off.. fix your shit nice and be unique,,, there is no need to get in more car payments when after you sign the papers and that shit looses around $ 4-6k right there.. fuck that.. mazdas in the market are worth nothing, you buy that shit for $ 30k and a few months later that shit is worth less than half. so why get into another insane ass payment plan when you can spend $ 2,5, 7k and make your shit nice and paid off.... you know what's makes me feel good men ? beign at a light next to any other car, Evo, Sti's MS3, and i look at them, saying.. I got a sweet ass ride and ITS PAID OFF buddies.... that shit is definately Priceless.. good luck with MS3 owners and their insane ass car prices and payments at month.... !!!!!!

Where the hell do you guys get your info an MS3 sport is $22,900 and the GT is $24.465. $30,000, I dont believe it.

And Mazdaspeed2oo35, I believe you said your car can out handle a STI or EVO(rlaugh) those a $30+ rally cars and they could not hang with you, yea right. Hey, man its cool to love your car, but dont make it out to be whats it's not.
Dont get me wrong I like the MSP, but I will take a MS3 that is 330lbs heavier, but it also has 93 more hp and 110lbs more Tq than your car.(rockon)

Talk about impressive.Here is an EVO MR, I know tit has some more suspension work, but the evo9 is not that much different. Could your car do this.........
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_92uFBLhAhY

(cricket)(cricket)(cricket)

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-08-2007, 06:32 PM

Where the hell do you guys get your info an MS3 sport is $22,900 and the GT is $24.465. $30,000, I dont believe it.

And Mazdaspeed2oo35, I believe you said your car can out handle a STI or EVO(rlaugh) those a $30+ rally cars and they could not hang with you, yea right. Hey, man its cool to love your car, but dont make it out to be whats it's not.
Dont get me wrong I like the MSP, but I will take a MS3 that is 330lbs heavier, but it also has 93 more hp and 110lbs more Tq than your car.(rockon)

Buddie, we are not talking about HP between them here, stop saying that. we already know the MS3 it's faster, bigger engine.. but is not better, and about my car, you don't even know what i have in it. and don't know me either.. read and do your homework before saying all that shit... MS3 can be faster stock my stock but will never be better than a worked MSP, ever... stop sweatig for a car you don't even have... I've been in MS3's EVo's, Sti's and SRT-4 and they aint all that shit people thinks... the msp is a better looking car, it handles better, and brakes better, period.. don't matter if that shit comes faster from factory, we are not talking about how fast the other is, we are talking about overall, and overall the MSP it's better, better looking appearance, RIMS, suspension, Sound System plus is a sedan against a HATCH, I really don't give a damn thing is the MS3 it's faster... that don't matter here.. and im not the only one here who thinks the same way.. have you seen PIRANA's or JOKA's, or RUSH's protege ? Now just answer one question ,would you change those Protege's for a MS3 ? Answer Honestly.....

sandspeed

09-08-2007, 06:38 PM

Well I've been thinking of Making these thread for a long time. but I think it's necesary now the MSP is gone for Production and the Mazdaspeed Paltform came up on the 3.. what do you guys think about mazda discontinuing the MSP and Replace it with the Mazda 3 in these case mazdaspeed3...

lets all share what we all think about what mazda did.....

Dude calm down , you made this thread so people could share their personal opinions and you bad mouth everybody..wtf.
So you don't like the MS3, great, you don't have to. Lets move on to another topic . .

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-08-2007, 06:45 PM

Dude calm down , you made this thread so people could share their personal opinions and you bad mouth everybody..wtf.
So you don't like the MS3, great, you don't have to. Lets move on to another topic . .

Buddie IM calm down but these person keep on saying the same shit we all already know.. I would love to hear different facts between them.. not only that it's a 2.3 liter engine with more HP... we all know that shit... it's obvious... that's why i made these thread to find diffenreces between them,, not only HP, if you read most of the post we talk about braking, handling, suspension, interior etc.. not only focusing in the HP differences we all already know.. what do you have say about them 2. what is your point of view since you have a very nice and well done MSP, would you change your car as it is right now for a MS3 ?

shamrock

09-08-2007, 07:27 PM

Buddie IM calm down but these person keep on saying the same shit we all already know.. I would love to hear different facts between them.. not only that it's a 2.3 liter engine with more HP... we all know that shit... it's obvious... that's why i made these thread to find diffenreces between them,, not only HP, if you read most of the post we talk about braking, handling, suspension, interior etc.. not only focusing in the HP differences we all already know.. what do you have say about them 2. what is your point of view since you have a very nice and well done MSP, would you change your car as it is right now for a MS3 ?

Man you take your MSP with its mods or all the other people that you mentioned and go aginst any of the cars you mentioned, WRX, STI EVO, MS3
with the same amout of money and parts in them and go on a twisty road and those cars will run away.(braindead
Sorry, but I dont understand how you say the MS3 suspension is shit. It is as good if not better than any other MS vehicle. Its been proven to really compete with other cars out of its class

CantCMe

09-08-2007, 08:44 PM

Where the hell do you guys get your info an MS3 sport is $22,900 and the GT is $24.465. $30,000, I dont believe it.

And Mazdaspeed2oo35, I believe you said your car can out handle a STI or EVO(rlaugh) those a $30+ rally cars and they could not hang with you, yea right. Hey, man its cool to love your car, but dont make it out to be whats it's not.
Dont get me wrong I like the MSP, but I will take a MS3 that is 330lbs heavier, but it also has 93 more hp and 110lbs more Tq than your car.(rockon)

Talk about impressive.Here is an EVO MR, I know tit has some more suspension work, but the evo9 is not that much different. Could your car do this.........
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_92uFBLhAhY

(cricket)(cricket)(cricket)
What kind of EVO was that? 400 hp? 0-60 in 3.5 sec?

I wish I had a camera for ya pal...the sticker price for a MS3 GT at Koons Mazda in Marlow Heights, Md. read BEFORE some options at $28,345...and this was the CHEAPEST one they had on the lot. They were selling it for $31k+ after some dealer markup crap. For that type of money I would get something else...I think the car's pretty nice...but I wouldn't pay that much for one. $22K? That's a great price, but 'round here, don't think you'll see one at that price.

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-08-2007, 08:59 PM

Man you take your MSP with its mods or all the other people that you mentioned and go aginst any of the cars you mentioned, WRX, STI EVO, MS3
with the same amout of money and parts in them and go on a twisty road and those cars will run away.(braindead
Sorry, but I dont understand how you say the MS3 suspension is shit. It is as good if not better than any other MS vehicle. Its been proven to really compete with other cars out of its class

now i got to say that you have no idea what you are talking about.. do you know what i have in my car ? have you seen it ? have you been in it ? don't make me get nasty with you budie, cause after i'll have people talking shit about me... you have no idea what i have.. but keep dreaming about a car you don't have.. I can guarantee you something right now, i know what i have, what is capable to do and not.. im really impress that you definately haven't seen a true Mazdaspeed in a track. and not talking about mine, there is tons in these forum that can kick that's Evo MR ass. by the way that's the English version of the MR that shit don't even exist in here in US, and I've seen them in spain..... you know how much that car is ? do you have a Idea ? that shit its over $ 48k for you to know... I have spend $ 22k in my car considering I paid for mine shit when new $ 19,000 that's a total $ 41,000 and yes, the way my shit is, will fucking RAN not walk that Evo. in every aspect... now you really got me into these . you don't even know what i have to talk that much shit about it.. talk about something you have or seen. i talk these way cause i know how my car is done and perform..

Donas64

09-08-2007, 09:14 PM

this threads gone nuclear!!!!!!

abandon all hope!!!

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-08-2007, 09:22 PM

What kind of EVO was that? 400 hp? 0-60 in 3.5 sec?

I wish I had a camera for ya pal...the sticker price for a MS3 GT at Koons Mazda in Marlow Heights, Md. read BEFORE some options at $28,345...and this was the CHEAPEST one they had on the lot. They were selling it for $31k+ after some dealer markup crap. For that type of money I would get something else...I think the car's pretty nice...but I wouldn't pay that much for one. $22K? That's a great price, but 'round here, don't think you'll see one at that price.

thats' an Especial English Edition EVO MR, with 400hp and some other shit, but overprice that shit if not mistaken is way over $ 48 with that amount of money you can make a rocket out of any car you want.... Evo's... why people die for them so much... they ain't all that shit....

civic si hb

09-08-2007, 09:27 PM

this threads gone nuclear!!!!!!

abandon all hope!!!

It was only a matter of time before it became a pissing match

Rush

09-08-2007, 10:21 PM

As always, don't think I won't delete this entire thread if debate can't stay civil.

Everyone is arguing about the POTENTIAL of both the MSP and the MS3. And guess what -- the truth of the matter is that ANY car has UNLIMITED potential. As long as you have the money to dump into it, countless improvements can be made.

Asking for opinions is only going to turn into an inevitable squabble. The facts are the facts. If you look at both cars out of the box, they're two different species -- that's why one is called a MSP, and one is called an MS3. That's why they're different cars. That's why a certain group of people buys the MSP, and why another group buys the MS3.

Buy whatever car YOU want, based on YOUR preferences. Who gives a damn what anybody else thinks? Why waste your time arguing about it? Go find something better to do with your time, other than be concerned about defending your internet-ego.

Once again, I'm sick of having to come in here and act like a referee between people bellowing at each other over a forum. Watch your language and watch your attitudes.

Rush

09-08-2007, 10:37 PM

I wish I had a camera for ya pal...the sticker price for a MS3 GT at Koons Mazda in Marlow Heights, Md. read BEFORE some options at $28,345...and this was the CHEAPEST one they had on the lot. They were selling it for $31k+ after some dealer markup crap. For that type of money I would get something else...I think the car's pretty nice...but I wouldn't pay that much for one. $22K? That's a great price, but 'round here, don't think you'll see one at that price.
He has an excellent point, BTW. Do a little more research in the MS3 subforums. Sure, the Mazda USA site says that the baseline MS3 is supposed to retail for around $23K .. but if you honestly think that the dealerships are going to ACTUALLY sell for that much, you're living in a fantasy world. Considering these are limited cars that are a relatively hot commodity, the 'stealerships' are going to squeeze for as much money as possible.

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-08-2007, 11:03 PM

He has an excellent point, BTW. Do a little more research in the MS3 subforums. Sure, the Mazda USA site says that the baseline MS3 is supposed to retail for around $23K .. but if you honestly think that the dealerships are going to ACTUALLY sell for that much, you're living in a fantasy world. Considering these are limited cars that are a relatively hot commodity, the 'stealerships' are going to squeeze for as much money as possible.

Yeah, I saw one here at my Local Mazda Dealer for around $ 35k with navy sunroof, and leather interior. as a customer request.. i ask my friend that hes a Sales Rep and told me these guy paid crazy money for these car with leather, navy and sunroof. i mean that's ridiculous at max.... hey sweetie let me ask you an honest question .. Would you Change your Actual MSP for a 2008 MS3 ?

Rush

09-08-2007, 11:07 PM

Yeah, I saw one here at my Local Mazda Dealer for around $ 35k with navy sunroof, and leather interior. as a customer request.. i ask my friend that hes a Sales Rep and told me these guy paid crazy money for these car with leather, navy and sunroof. i mean that's ridiculous at max.... hey sweetie let me ask you an honest question .. Would you Change your Actual MSP for a 2008 MS3 ?
In all honesty, my perfect situation would be putting the MS3 engine into my MSP.

But seeing as I haven't won the lottery yet -- no, I wouldn't trade in my MSP for an MS3. I have a thorough dislike of hatchbacks. If I don't like the styling of a car, there's no way in hell I'm buying it -- especially not at the price of an MS3, no matter what kind of power it's putting down.

I want the complete package, per my own standards -- looks, power, and the refinery to use it. But again, that's just MY opinion.

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-08-2007, 11:15 PM

In all honesty, my perfect situation would be putting the MS3 engine into my MSP.

But seeing as I haven't won the lottery yet -- no, I wouldn't trade in my MSP for an MS3. I have a thorough dislike of hatchbacks. If I don't like the styling of a car, there's no way in hell I'm buying it -- especially not at the price of an MS3, no matter what kind of power it's putting down.

I want the complete package, per my own standards -- looks, power, and the refinery to use it. But again, that's just MY opinion.

I think you have one of the Sexiest MSP around. trust me sweetie, you don't need to have a MS3 engine to be fast.. put it these way. put $5,000 in the Engine and Tranny together and you'll see that there is no need to buy or own a MS3 to be Sexy, nice, unique and fast.. I have spend around $ 22k in my car and I can Guarantee you something there won't be a $ 40K valued car around to look, feel and make me feel how i feel with my baby.. even if you put that amount of money in the ms3 wont help to look better than the MSP.. People are really doubting the potential in these car, with money you can make anything happen... even A Regular Protege ES, LX its better looking than a regular 3

ItsSlow

09-08-2007, 11:17 PM

Damn, for 22k you could have completely BUILT a 1g dsm to run 9's.. and still be daily drivable..

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-08-2007, 11:23 PM

Damn, for 22k you could have completely BUILT a 1g dsm to run 9's.. and still be daily drivable..

How many DSM doing 9's do you see around ? i've seen Hundreds of them.. how many 500whp Mazdaspeed Protege's have you seen or going to see ? Be Unique, think, dream and Go Big or Go home.. I didn't want to have a car everyone has... that's why i don't own an M3, EVO, STI... too many... but one thing is for sure I'll be unique and powerfull

ItsSlow

09-09-2007, 12:26 AM

And in debt for a LONG time..

Donas64

09-09-2007, 02:25 AM

And in debt for a LONG time..

you shouldn't assume you know the financial situation of others. For all you know he's loaded. The car driven by most millionaires in america is the ford F150 pickup truck.

Granted I think spending over 20K in mods on a protege is silly, but who am I to tell the man what to do with his money. I would advise him otherwise but in the end, he earned it, he can spend it how he wishes.

One thing I learned from working at a dealership is NEVER assume a persons networth. A lot of the time, you'll be wrong.

ItsSlow

09-09-2007, 02:29 AM

More than likely if he owns a protege, hes not a millionaire.. (No offense to anyone that has a protege)

RixterGT

09-09-2007, 03:54 AM

Talk about impressive.Here is an EVO MR, I know tit has some more suspension work, but the evo9 is not that much different. Could your car do this.........
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_92uFBLhAhY

(cricket)(cricket)(cricket)

Just to reiterate what Mazdaspeed2oo35 was saying, this is not an Evo IX, regardless of what the hilarious people at youtube want you to think. It's a very expensive (although not compared to the Lambo) very limited production Evo VIII FQ400 (F'n quick 400hp :) ). Very cool car, but nothing like a regular Evo, and not sold in the US.

CantCMe

09-09-2007, 09:09 AM

you shouldn't assume you know the financial situation of others. For all you know he's loaded. The car driven by most millionaires in america is the ford F150 pickup truck.

Granted I think spending over 20K in mods on a protege is silly, but who am I to tell the man what to do with his money. I would advise him otherwise but in the end, he earned it, he can spend it how he wishes.

One thing I learned from working at a dealership is NEVER assume a persons networth. A lot of the time, you'll be wrong.

Some people would rather take a 25k ride and beat up on cars that cost twice as much. I remember when those '95 Supra Turbos were the rage, but they couldn't beat a stock Camaro SS that cost half as much. Sounds like fun to me. But the man luvs his msp, and I don't think he regrets making that purchase...I know when I bought my Pro that's what I could afford at that time. I got attached and now I won't be trading it in for anything...I'll just buy something else. I can't put 20k in mods on my car...couldn't see explainin' that to the misses...but if you have the money to do it and that's what u wanna do, then go 'head. But I wouldn't comment on someone else's finances and I don't know them.

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-09-2007, 11:19 AM

More than likely if he owns a protege, hes not a millionaire.. (No offense to anyone that has a protege)

lol you are funny guy... Thank god that my car is Paid off, and the $22k I have spend is paid off as well. and I still have more left to spend... but I already have what i was looking for in a Car.. and let me tell you something buddie, if you are a person that loves building cars, doing stuff to it, to make it better, then you can't own a Ferrari or a Lambo they are not my dream type of car and much less a MS3, EVO, STI's, you can't do shit to Ferraris and lambos and for me is more of a satisfaction to Beat the hell out of them with a Car that is 10 times or more Cheaper in price.. I've seen SRT-4's Beating the shit out of Ferraris, lambos and other amazing cars, I mean After the race you still own a mazda and them a Ferrari but also after the race you have beat the shit out of them. and for me that is priceless. Anyway i'm not building my car for racing anyways, I've taken care of everything i have dream to have in a car. and I do love My MSP or Protege how ever you want to call it, i'll Never Change it for any other car, not even if you put me a Lambo keys in my hands, I've worked my butt up too hard to buy my car, mod it the way I did and to support my Family and my 2 Kids.. so if you are not happy with what you have, then you really have a problem.. I rather be unique than having a car everyone owns. don't matter if is a Mazda Protege for me its better than anything out there with 4 wheels.. and yes im not a millionaire and don't want to be one.. Just like puff daddy has said in his songs.. " MORE MONEY MORE PROBLEMS" don't try to be more than what you are, don't try to have something you can't afford. and don't be jelous for what other people have and you don't.. Im not poor, Im not Rich, but I'am a happy Family men that Enjoys every penny I make and everything I have and can afford. I already have the most inportant thing in life which is My lovely Family, Wife and Kids....

Lunatik

09-09-2007, 02:18 PM

one great thing about the msp as well is its rarity.... thats one of the biggest reasons i love my MSP......your hardly ever going to see an msp riding next to you on the road if ever.... i know ive only seen about 4 total on the road and probably once or twice at a car show... also ive hardly ever heard anyone say a negative comment about the msp's body style. i hear complaints about the ms3's body all day long and hear a bunch of wagon comments. IMO the msp is a lot better than the ms3 OVERALL. obviously not performance wise but with everything put together. Mazdaspeed2oo35's protege along with Pirana and others are proof that the msp can go very far.

CantCMe

09-09-2007, 03:09 PM

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-09-2007, 03:43 PM

+1...and when u add price in the mix, in my opinion, the msp is the better buy also...18K in '02-'03 vs. 28k in '07-'08. Yeah, the ms3 stock will leave a msp in a straight line, but if I can put in 10k in that same msp i'm almost sure i can outrun that ms3.

no doubt, same money value between them, MSP will win anytime anyday.. That's what' Im saying, you put a descent amount of money in the MSP and will kick mayor ass, the funny thing in here is that MSP still being almost 5 Years older in everything, Technology and shit is still a better car then the MS3, for one Moment I close My eyes and Imagine a Redesign Protege and Wow.. Mazda Will be the Best Sport Compact Car Manufacture for ever men... There is things I don't understant about making vehicles. Toyota Fucked up by discontinuing one of the best Sports Cars Toyota Supra Twin Turbo, Mazda the RX-7 Twin Turbo, Ford Probe GT, ACURA the NSX-T or R, Etc Etc, look at what they have now. Toyota aint got shit to compete, Mazda the Useless Junk RX-8, Ford the Focus SVT which is not even close to their European Model Focus RS, by fact that they have been discontinued don't means they suck...oh well Poor of those people that can't or don't want to own a really Unique Vehicle like the MSP, Supra, RX-7, NSX, for sure I'm writing a page in my history by owning a Peace of Jewel that probably wont come back for production....

mspHtown

09-09-2007, 03:51 PM

no doubt, same money value between them, MSP will win anytime anyday.. That's what' Im saying, you put a descent amount of money in the MSP and will kick mayor ass, the funny thing in here is that MSP still being almost 5 Years older in everything, Technology and shit is still a better car then the MS3, for one Moment I close My eyes and Imagine a Redesign Protege and Wow.. Mazda Will be the Best Sport Compact Car Manufacture for ever men... There is things I don't understant about making vehicles. Toyota Fucked up by discontinuing one of the best Sports Cars Toyota Supra Twin Turbo, Mazda the RX-7 Twin Turbo, Ford Probe GT, ACURA the NSX-T or R, Etc Etc, look at what they have now. Toyota aint got shit to compete, Mazda the Useless Junk RX-8, Ford the Focus SVT which is not even close to their European Model Focus RS, by fact that they have been discontinued don't means they suck...oh well Poor of those people that can't or don't want to own a really Unique Vehicle like the MSP, Supra, RX-7, NSX, for sure I'm writing a page in my history by owning a Peace of Jewel that probably wont come back for production....

just out of curiousity, what reasons do you have justifying this?

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-09-2007, 04:00 PM

just out of curiousity, what reasons do you have justifying this?

You again buddie ?,, I'm not going to argue with you again men... i already did.. It is a better car, considering that MSP costs $ 19,000 atleast Y bought mine brand new at that price, the MS3 It's too expensive for what it is. 2.3 liter engine with 93 HP more than the MSP ? so what? we are no focusing here only about the Power between them, we already know the MS3 it has a bigger engine with more horsepower, but that don't mean its a better car. The MSP Appearance its way over the MS3 one.. even if you look at a regular 3 Sedad, do you think it looks better and handle better than a regular Protege ES ? be honest, now i'll ask you the same question, why do you think the MS3 overall its better than the 5 Years Old MSP... ???? honest answer, no sarcasm here or beign a dick.... in don't want my thread to be close down.

mspHtown

09-09-2007, 04:04 PM

You again buddie ?,, I'm not going to argue with you again men... i already did.. It is a better car, considering that MSP costs $ 19,000 atleast Y bought mine brand new at that price, the MS3 It's too expensive for what it is. 2.3 liter engine with 93 HP more than the MSP ? so what? we are no focusing here only about the Power between them, we already know the MS3 it has a bigger engine with more horsepower, but that don't mean its a better car. The MSP Appearance its way over the MS3 one.. even if you look at a regular 3 Sedad, do you think it looks better and handle better than a regular Protege ES ? be honest, now i'll ask you the same question, why do you think the MS3 overall its better than the 5 Years Old MSP... ???? honest answer, no sarcasm here or beign a dick.... in don't want my thread to be close down.

im not beinga dick either. i honestly think the msp looks a thousand times better than the ms3 and the 3 sedan. i just wanted to know wut technology makes the protege better than the ms3.

CantCMe

09-09-2007, 04:06 PM

Picture that SVT Focus motor in the msp + a turbo, maybe boosted to about 6psi...220 hp easy. Or even forged internals in the FS and price the msp at 21K and boost it to 9-10psi...perfect sport compact in my opinion.

CantCMe

09-09-2007, 04:07 PM

im not beinga dick either. i honestly think the msp looks a thousand times better than the ms3 and the 3 sedan. i just wanted to know wut technology makes the protege better than the ms3.

I think he's saying the msp is a better car EVEN though the technology is 5 years behind the ms3...I think.

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-09-2007, 04:28 PM

I think he's saying the msp is a better car EVEN though the technology is 5 years behind the ms3...I think.

there You go B.I.G.. you just got the point....i was trying to explain. sorry about my english, sometimes its sucks a fat D**K

CantCMe

09-09-2007, 04:33 PM

there You go B.I.G.. you just got the point....i was trying to explain. sorry about my english, sometimes its sucks a fat D**K

LMAO!!!! Don't feel bad...I got ur back!!

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-09-2007, 04:36 PM

LMAO!!!! Don't feel bad...I got ur back!!

Thanx B.I.G I wish i have Near me a Friend like you buddie.. How far is Maryland From Miami ?

CantCMe

09-09-2007, 04:50 PM

Wow...u talkin' about a 15 hour drive or a 3 hr flight...and my 'Skins just beat ur Dolphins!!!

But really, someone said the tranny for the SVT Focus wouldn't fit? That motor was a 2.0 Cosworth, right? They could have really built on that and the msp would be an even better buy...way better than the srt-4 AND the ms3...and that was 5 years ago.

I still wish they would have put the ms3 motor in the sedan...or at least make it an option.

Lunatik

09-09-2007, 05:02 PM

yeah miguel i understand you... your car is proof of what your talking about... just put up numbers and pics/videos when its done and see what people say.

...and my 'Skins just beat ur Dolphins!!!

damn dolphins

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-09-2007, 05:06 PM

yeah miguel i understand you... your car is proof of what your talking about... just put up numbers and pics/videos when its done and see what people say.

damn dolphins

Yeah Men.. Sure I will, but you'll always see someone to say something negative about it, like, oh that is a waste of money and useless, but honesly i don't care, you know me. you know im not full of Crap, you've seen my car before,and know where it is right now you'll be one of the first to see my ride rolling on tha streets..

Lunatik

09-09-2007, 05:08 PM

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-09-2007, 05:12 PM

yup and cant wait too see EVO and STi owners faces after they get left behind

Yes sir... Priceless.. We'll go Hunting for them.. jaja,, I can't freaking wait for TBK Finishes my Demon Child Already men... I've being waiting for the past 5 month's men.. it's time to get back to the Roads Bigger Better and Stronger... TBK it's taking my Ride to MOROSO to time it, manuel it's Taking pictures, videos highway runs with some bigboys friends of hes, according to TBK these is the Best Mazda They've done so far and Hopefully the fastest, most likely beating the Record they did with Superprotege.... you are invited to the party when we finishes it, you are invited to moroso, and to the dyno, we are taping it. also if you wanna ride with me in the highway runs will be great... You'll get surpriced against who we are going to do highway runs.. Trust me.. Get Ready Very Soon George...

Alejo_NIN

09-09-2007, 05:16 PM

i find one thing to be very funny
i keep telling people who come to this board asking "should i get a MSP?" or "i'm thinking of buying a MSP, what do you guys think?" that they shouldn't buy it...why? because if you have to come here, ask complete strangers about a car and bas eyour decision on buying a car on that..then..you don't deserve that car.

when i bought mine...it was the first time i've had ever test driven it and i signed the papers right then and there..

now, going back on topic

yes, the MS3 is the ugliest, piece of junk i've ever seen...and i don't like the package they sell this one with
fast engine
ugly exterior/interior
and a bonus SRT-4 attitude to the owner

what's up with that?

i have not known any MSP owner who is dick...but i've already known 5 ms3 owners who are complete dicks...including some that come knocking on my windows talking shit about some manifolds for sale...

what's up with that?

bottom line...ms3=ugly and MSP>MS3

CantCMe

09-09-2007, 05:17 PM

Yeah Men.. shit I will, but you'll always see someone to say something negative about it, like, oh that shit is a waste of money and useless, but honesly i don't give a damn you know me. you know im not full of shit, you've seen my car before,and know where it is right now you'll be one of the first to see that shit rolling on tha streets..

Man, I say anybody can do whatever they want with their cars, but people will always have an opinion...it balances itself out if you really think about it. If everyone felt the same we would all buy Civics (jus kiddin'!)!!! I feel I have a young spirit, so I'll stay with the Protege platform. Now if my spirit was as old as I really am, I would go for the ms3 or the ms6, all about personal taste. Hell, if my wife wouldn't go through the roof I'd get another '93 Mustang Cobra or an '03 Cobra and build on that...but I say let the haters hate and just laugh at them later. Damn, Miguel, u should have put up a poll between the msp and the ms3 just to see who would win.

Alejo_NIN

09-09-2007, 05:17 PM

oh and by the way, Mazdaspeed2oo35...
your car is a piece of shit!!!!

but then again...i'll take a piece of shit doing 500whp to the wheels any day....as long as it is a MSP

CantCMe

09-09-2007, 05:22 PM

yes, the MS3 is the ugliest, piece of junk i've ever seen

U must be too young to remember the Gremlin or u weren't paying attention when GM was selling the Pontiac Aztek (lol!!!!)

I wouldn't say it's the ugliest...I wouldn't even say it's ugly, but the sedan looks much better.

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-09-2007, 05:25 PM

lol.. you Suck Alejo But a good friend when you want to be one... jejejeje.... hey help me make a poll thats a good idea, but I don't know how to do that...

CantCMe

09-09-2007, 05:30 PM

lol.. your a Dick Alejo But a good ass friend when you want to be one... jejejeje.... hey help me make a poll thats a good ass idea, but I don't know how to do that shit... C'mon Nerdie Friend Make that shit happend....

man, ya'll are funny as hell!!!

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-09-2007, 05:31 PM

U must be too young to remember the Gremlin or u weren't paying attention when GM was selling the Pontiac Aztek (lol!!!!)

I wouldn't say it's the ugliest...I wouldn't even say it's ugly, but the sedan looks much better.

i Swear men.. I can't believe they made that car men... Pontiac Aztek ,That Car is the most horrible car designed ever.. I think the Designer was high or something when designed that thing.. god.. Horrible thing.. anyways. I'll post later some pictures of a MSP next to a MS3 and see what people got to really say... and yes MS3 owners are turning out to be Very jerks cause they own a MS3, once my Ride its done i'm gonna go MS3 hunting and slap those haters in the face and show them not to understimate the power of a Protege, Let's not called it Mazdaspeed so it can hurt Even More....... priceless I can't wait....

CantCMe

09-09-2007, 05:33 PM

I think since Miguel started the thread he would have to put the poll in...if ya can't just start a new one!!!

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-09-2007, 05:36 PM

Does anybody knows how to modify a Thread or add and deleted stuff from it ? that is a goof idea to put a poll....

Rush

09-09-2007, 06:09 PM

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-09-2007, 06:12 PM

^^ Could you do all of us a favor and not curse so much? You do have some valid points, but they tend to be belittled when you use such abrasive language. Things come across as much more concise and mature on the IntArnetz when you don't have 'shit' and 'fucking' and 'ass' in basically every single sentence.

My Appologies.. I'll Edit every single them.. do you know how to add a poll to the thread, or i'll need to make a new one? i have no idea how to do it...

Rush

09-09-2007, 06:18 PM

My Appologies.. I'll Edit every single them.. do you know how to add a poll to the thread, or i'll need to make a new one? i have no idea how to do it...
LOL, no need to go back and do all that editing .. Just something to keep in mind in the future.

And in all honesty, I'm not exactly sure how to add a poll AFTER a thread has already been created. I know how to do it when you're creating a new thread, writing that first post .. Can you edit your original post, and see if there's any options in there anywhere that allows you to add a poll?

EDIT: I just checked via one of my own threads .. and it doesn't look like you can add a poll after the thread's been started. If you want, maybe start another thread that's a continuation of this one -- but add a poll? And then you can post the link to the new thread in this one, and I can lock it so that everyone will reply in the new thread WITH the poll.

Kinda complicated, but it's all I can think of. (shrug)

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-09-2007, 06:26 PM

LOL, no need to go back and do all that editing .. Just something to keep in mind in the future.

And in all honesty, I'm not exactly sure how to add a poll AFTER a thread has already been created. I know how to do it when you're creating a new thread, writing that first post .. Can you edit your original post, and see if there's any options in there anywhere that allows you to add a poll?

EDIT: I just checked via one of my own threads .. and it doesn't look like you can add a poll after the thread's been started. If you want, maybe start another thread that's a continuation of this one -- but add a poll? And then you can post the link to the new thread in this one, and I can lock it so that everyone will reply in the new thread WITH the poll.

Kinda complicated, but it's all I can think of. (shrug)

you are a Very Impressive cute girl did you knew that ? So much knowledge about cars, specially MSP's.. no wonder you have the Sexiest MSP in here,not to mention nation Wide.

let me see if im capable to make a poll thread. i have no idea how to start.. but definately is a great idea..

shamrock

09-10-2007, 07:38 AM

thats' an Especial English Edition EVO MR, with 400hp and some other shit, but overprice that shit if not mistaken is way over $ 48 with that amount of money you can make a rocket out of any car you want.... Evo's... why people die for them so much... they ain't all that shit....

Well you my friend should do some research, because you CAN get an EVO MR here in the States. The one in that vid may be a british version, but thet are available here. If you dont believe me take a look ov at evotuners.com. A lot of people have them. That cat or even a EVO 9 would walk right away from you.

And to all of you that are posting and saying that the MS3 are going for $30,000+, well I feel sorry for you because where I live(Dearborn Heights, MI)
I have 3 Mazdaspeed dealerships that are all within 25 mi from my house are sellng MS3 sportss for 23,000 and GT's for 24,600. So I guess it sucks for you location

And RUSH--the MS3 was limited production for 07, not for 08(hi)

And I dont have an issue with anyone, just having and endless friendly debate(peep)

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-10-2007, 08:57 AM

Well you my friend should do some research, because you CAN get an EVO MR here in the States. The one in that vid may be a british version, but thet are available here. If you dont believe me take a look ov at evotuners.com. A lot of people have them. That cat or even a EVO 9 would walk right away from you.

And to all of you that are posting and saying that the MS3 are going for $30,000+, well I feel sorry for you because where I live(Dearborn Heights, MI)
I have 3 Mazdaspeed dealerships that are all within 25 mi from my house are sellng MS3 sportss for 23,000 and GT's for 24,600. So I guess it sucks for you location

And RUSH--the MS3 was limited production for 07, not for 08(hi)

And I dont have an issue with anyone, just having and endless friendly debate(peep)

Don't make me laugh you can't get the British Version of the EVO MR here in USA, Your the only one here that needs to do homework.. USA wishes to have the real Version of the Cars they have in Europe here... that car Is Barely Available In Europe, Im From Spain and I know what im talking about. that car is a Limited, but very Limited Production Just for the English Market Exclusive for England, its a 400HP with some other Upgrades that a regular MR don't come or you cant order it here in the US. Obviously I know cause I have Test Drove Evos MR in the Mistubishi Dealers near my house, I know that they have the MR here.. But they Just wished to have that English Version Here.. by the way that car aint all that shit people thinks.. and about the EVO 9,or the MR, I used To Walk them when i had 300whp, now that i have 500whp+ i just RAN them, Not walk Them.. Please dude.. MR's, STi's, SRT-4 and much less the MS3 ain't shit with what i have. Been there and done that. do your reading before talking about someone you don't even know or know what i have in my car.. and do your self a favor Don't Sweat something you don't have, own or driven.... my car the way I have it, got nothing, listen Please ,nothing to be Jelous about any MR, STi', SRT-4's and much, but much Less a MS3.

Rush

09-10-2007, 09:14 AM

Well you my friend should do some research, because you CAN get an EVO MR here in the States. The one in that vid may be a british version, but thet are available here. If you dont believe me take a look ov at evotuners.com. A lot of people have them. That cat or even a EVO 9 would walk right away from you.

And to all of you that are posting and saying that the MS3 are going for $30,000+, well I feel sorry for you because where I live(Dearborn Heights, MI)
I have 3 Mazdaspeed dealerships that are all within 25 mi from my house are sellng MS3 sportss for 23,000 and GT's for 24,600. So I guess it sucks for you location

And RUSH--the MS3 was limited production for 07, not for 08(hi)

And I dont have an issue with anyone, just having and endless friendly debate(peep)
The EVO MR is available in the US, yes -- but it's NOT the version that was shown in that video. The 'typical' EVO MR stands for 'Mitsubishi Racing' .. whereas the EVO VIII MR FQ-400 is an even more insane version where the FQ literally stands for 'F*cking Quick'. I'm not kidding. Do the research. There were a mere 100 made, and they were made in the UK.

And considering that the experience we've had price-wise thus far with the MS3 -- it WAS the year 2007 release, and that WAS a limited production. Hence my comparison and hence the prices. It's pretty much the only info' we have to fall back on as of this point.

Congrats for having fair dealerships near you. I only wish that all Mazdaspeed locations were the same way. So if I were you, I'd hurry up and go pick one up before they decide to change their minds. If the MS3 does it for you, then great -- but coming into the MSP section and expecting us all to give out a ton of Hail Mary praises to the MS3 isn't exactly brilliant. In case you haven't noticed by now, the breed of drivers that own MSPs are fiercely loyal to their cars.

Go try driving both. It's the best way to gain the full feel and really learn about the cars. Sitting here arguing with all of us isn't really getting you any closer to anything.

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-10-2007, 09:40 AM

The EVO MR is available in the US, yes -- but it's NOT the version that was shown in that video. The 'typical' EVO MR stands for 'Mitsubishi Racing' .. whereas the EVO VIII MR FQ-400 is an even more insane version where the FQ literally stands for 'F*cking Quick'. I'm not kidding. Do the research. There were a mere 100 made, and they were made in the UK.

And considering that the experience we've had price-wise thus far with the MS3 -- it WAS the year 2007 release, and that WAS a limited production. Hence my comparison and hence the prices. It's pretty much the only info' we have to fall back on as of this point.

Congrats for having fair dealerships near you. I only wish that all Mazdaspeed locations were the same way. So if I were you, I'd hurry up and go pick one up before they decide to change their minds. If the MS3 does it for you, then great -- but coming into the MSP section and expecting us all to give out a ton of Hail Mary praises to the MS3 isn't exactly brilliant. In case you haven't noticed by now, the breed of drivers that own MSPs are fiercely loyal to their cars.

Go try driving both. It's the best way to gain the full feel and really learn about the cars. Sitting here arguing with all of us isn't really getting you any closer to anything.

You are Exactly right RUSH, no better Explanation for It.

shamrock

09-10-2007, 11:55 AM

You are Exactly right RUSH, no better Explanation for It.

(kissass)

I came into this forum to get more info on the MSP, because I was thinking of getting one, but after reading about there issues (alot of them) I will choose something else. And it is fine to be loyal to your car, but dont think for one minute that the MSP is gods gift to the world. Also, I NEVER said that you could get that EVO in the vid over here I was saying that you can get a MR in the states

Mazdaspeed2oo35 yes you may be from spain and know what your talking about, but you seem very bias and act like a know it all

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-10-2007, 12:05 PM

(kissass)

I came into this forum to get more info on the MSP, because I was thinking of getting one, but after reading about there issues (alot of them) I will choose something else. And it is fine to be loyal to your car, but dont think for one minute that the MSP is gods gift to the world. Also, I NEVER said that you could get that EVO in the vid over here I was saying that you can get a MR in the states

Mazdaspeed2oo35 yes you may be from spain and know what your talking about, but you seem very bias and act like a know it all

I know and talk about what i have, what it can be done and the potential the MSP has with a certain Amount of money invested. I've been in Evo's got friends with them. also you are comparing a Car that cost $ 19,000 against one it's $ 40,000 Fully loaded with extras. If we compare a $ 40,000 MSP in these case Mine cause I have spended around $22k on mine, a Stock EVO MR that costs $ 40,000 got nothing to do against my car.. You get the point. its not fair to compare a lower price value car against a car that doubles the price, if you wish to compare an EVO to a MSP, take my car as Consideration and see which one it's better, performs better, handles better, brake better.. im not trying to be a dick here, just putting you the best possible sample of it cause i own 500whp+ MSP. im not guessing here..

shamrock

09-10-2007, 12:35 PM

I know and talk about what i have, what it can be done and the potential the MSP has with a certain Amount of money invested. I've been in Evo's got friends with them. also you are comparing a Car that cost $ 19,000 against one it's $ 40,000 Fully loaded with extras. If we compare a $ 40,000 MSP in these case Mine cause I have spended around $22k on mine, a Stock EVO MR that costs $ 40,000 got nothing to do against my car.. You get the point. its not fair to compare a lower price value car against a car that doubles the price, if you wish to compare an EVO to a MSP, take my car as Consideration and see which one it's better, performs better, handles better, brake better.. im not trying to be a dick here, just putting you the best possible sample of it cause i own 500whp+ MSP. im not guessing here..

Do you have any vids of your car I would like to see it in action. And I am not trying to be a dick either, but you were to one saying you car can destroy anything, so that is why I mentioned the STI and EVO

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-10-2007, 12:39 PM

Do you have any vids of your car I would like to see it in action. And I am not trying to be a dick either, but you were to one saying you car can destroy anything, so that is why I mentioned the STI and EVO

In a few days TBK Performance it's finishing my car, and I'll be more than glad to post, Dyno sheet, Videos, Highway runs pictures etc.. you'll hear from me very soon very soon. keep reading these post..

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-10-2007, 12:52 PM

MSP or MS3

Side View

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mazdaspeed2oo35/Mazdaspeed2oo35%201.JPG
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mazdaspeed2oo35/Mazdaspeed%203%201.JPG

Rear View

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mazdaspeed2oo35/MSP%20Rear.JPG
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mazdaspeed2oo35/MS3%20Rear.JPG

Both next to each Other

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mazdaspeed2oo35/MSP-MS3.JPG

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-10-2007, 01:23 PM

Inside Instrument Panel View

THESE PICTURES ARE DEDICATED TO MY BOYS. B.I.G CantCMe, and my Brotha ALEJO_NIN, for putting these Mean Machine Heart Together. .. THANX FOR YOUR SUPPORT..

ALEJO_NIN I got your back is someone wants to hurt Your Pro..

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mazdaspeed2oo35/100_4823.jpg

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mazdaspeed2oo35/msp%201.jpg

Driver Side View

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mazdaspeed2oo35/msp%202.jpg
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mazdaspeed2oo35/msp%203.jpg
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mazdaspeed2oo35/msp%204.jpg
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mazdaspeed2oo35/msp%205.jpg

Front Lower View

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mazdaspeed2oo35/msp%206.jpg

A little Closer Front Lower View

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mazdaspeed2oo35/msp%207.jpg
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mazdaspeed2oo35/msp%209.jpg
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mazdaspeed2oo35/msp%2010.jpg
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mazdaspeed2oo35/msp%2011.jpg
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mazdaspeed2oo35/msp%2012.jpg
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mazdaspeed2oo35/msp%2013.jpg

My Demon Child Just Looking At Ya !!!

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mazdaspeed2oo35/msp%2014.jpg

My Favorite Picture So Far

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mazdaspeed2oo35/msp%208.jpg

Alejo_NIN

09-10-2007, 01:40 PM

that car is ugly.......

just kidding dude

Knox Joe

09-10-2007, 01:41 PM

It's not fair putting the MS3 against a titanium!

In all seriousness though, the MSP looks 100% better than it's successor.

CantCMe

09-10-2007, 01:54 PM

I'm not trying to be biased, but the msp looks soo much better than the ms3...not saying the ms3 is ugly, and i do think the 3 sedan looks really good, but they can't touch the msp.

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-10-2007, 02:12 PM

ALEJO_NIN, Thanx A Ton for Putting my Demon Child's Heart Together, and TBK PERFORMANCE for Making it BIGGER, BETTER, and STRONGER...

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mazdaspeed2oo35/msp%2015.jpg
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mazdaspeed2oo35/msp%2017.jpg
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mazdaspeed2oo35/msp%2018.jpg
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mazdaspeed2oo35/msp%2019.jpg
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mazdaspeed2oo35/msp%2020.jpg
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mazdaspeed2oo35/msp%2021.jpg

Alejo_NIN

09-10-2007, 02:20 PM

you making me blush

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-10-2007, 02:21 PM

I'm not trying to be biased, but the msp looks soo much better than the ms3...not saying the ms3 is ugly, and i do think the 3 sedan looks really good, but they can't touch the msp.

You are not Being Biased, you are just Being Realistic.. My personal opinion and I wish i could add a Poll to see what People thinks.. Anyways Everybody is welcome to come and discuss with us and share points of views, and different aspects about these 2 Vehicles. my personal Opinion I would never Change my Car for any other one in the Whole World...

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-10-2007, 02:25 PM

you making me blush

Im Glad to have you as a Friend and not as a Enemy, You know too much shit and can be really dangerous out there with your MSP. lol. lol....

Rush

09-10-2007, 02:40 PM

I came into this forum to get more info on the MSP, because I was thinking of getting one, but after reading about there issues (alot of them) I will choose something else. And it is fine to be loyal to your car, but dont think for one minute that the MSP is gods gift to the world.

I think what most have been trying to say, and what keeps getting misconstrued .. is that if you have $30K sitting in your pocket, you have one of two choices.

1. Buy a MSP and invest the extra $10K - $15K (that you saved on purchase price) into building the engine and fixing it's stock quirks.
2. Buy a MS3 and take it as it is, no upgrades.

When comparing the performance of the two cars based on the SAME AMOUNT of invested money, then I believe they're generally even.

Nobody is saying that a stock MSP is the epitome of an automobile. We're loyal to our cars, but for Heaven's sake, we aren't stupid. Of course the MS3, that's $10K-plus more at purchase, is going to have more power -- it damn well better, for that much more money! And yes, we all know that the MSPs have issues. If they didn't, half of this forum wouldn't even exist. But we accept them and are willing to work with them. The MSP isn't an uncurable thing -- but if you buy one and want it to put down more horses, you need to be willing to fix what needs fixing.

Appearance, though .. I'm sorry, but no matter what anybody says to me, the MSP is just a better-looking car.

And so, overall .. combine the uniqueness/rarity of the MSP, the fact that it can basically pull even with a MS3 IF the 'extra cash' saved at purchase is invested in the engine, and that it just looks eleventy bajillion times sexier .. Well, there's my vote. ;)

shamrock

09-10-2007, 04:35 PM

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-10-2007, 04:46 PM

(fight)

I am so sick of people saying that the MS3 is a $30,000 car. IT'S NOT

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/configEntryPoint.action?vehicleCode=MS3&modelYear=2008&skipZip=0&zip=48127

If the dealer marks them up, sorry. But this car is 22K-24.5K. If it was 30K, those cars are going to be sitting there for a long time

Bro what is tha part that you don't understand. I don't care if you show me the website price, when you go to the dealers they price that shit how ever they feel like it, it is so dificult to understand that ? I've seen a MS3 with Leather seats, Sunroof, Navigation system and some other shit for a crazy $ 34,500 I even asked the sales person which is was my friend. he told me the new owner has gone insane paying that amount of money with extras he special orderered. like the Navy, sunroof, Leather interior, CAI, and a bunch of stuff more that i don't want to even remember. Just Ridiculous for the car it is. and if you find them so cheap, why don't you run and buy one before you can't... still that car is not worth $ 24.5k even less $ 25k... for what it is.. Love it, or Hate it...

Lunatik

09-10-2007, 06:38 PM

Miguel the car looks amazing...... SOOOOOOO damn clean and im sure people arent gonna expect that much power from it..... i know Manuel is probably going crazy with that car and i'll probably see it this weekend when i go to TBK if i do...taking the camera too! haha

RixterGT

09-10-2007, 08:51 PM

Akaveli

09-10-2007, 09:30 PM

shamrock

09-11-2007, 07:09 AM

I can't understand why people are trying to compare the MSP to the MS3?! Two completely different cars, different power output, both vehicles have there own unique styles and different price range. I don't get it.
(huh)

Because Protege owners are pissed that Mazdaspeed came out with a new platform that outpreforms their car. Its just evolution, like it or not.
No someone will say "yea but the MS3 is so ugly who cares"(rlaugh)

CantCMe

09-11-2007, 07:29 AM

Rush

09-11-2007, 08:45 AM

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-11-2007, 11:12 AM

Because Protege owners are pissed that Mazdaspeed came out with a new platform that outpreforms their car. Its just evolution, like it or not.
No someone will say "yea but the MS3 is so ugly who cares"(rlaugh)

lol, lol. Protege Owners pissed ? you have to be kidding, have you seen the Pictures of my Car dude ?Scroll down a bit, and check them out!! Do you think im Jelous or pissed about the new Mazdaspeed Platform MS3 and having more power than my MSP? now you really have a Crush about the MS3 men... by the way what car do you have, Drive or own ? i mean even Stevie Wonder that is freaking blind will notice the difference between them 2.. being faster and having more HP doesn't count in here, cause at these point Im not worry at all if the ms3 had, yes had more power than in these case my msp, we are talking about and if you haven't notice yet, the appearance, handling and suspension, interior etc. NOT HOW FAST , and WHAT ENGINE POWER HAVE

Mazdaspeed2oo35

09-11-2007, 11:16 AM

MSP AND MS3 OWNERS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO COME AND POST YOUR BEST MSP AND MS3 PICTURES, ALSO ANY PERFORMANCE MODS LIST. I' AM MAKING A LITTLE CONTEST BETWEEN THESE 2 CARS. NO HARD FEELINGS, JUST COME AND POST YOUR OPINIONS, PROS AND CONS AND BEST PICTURES...

Knox Joe

09-11-2007, 11:17 AM

But just like some people say the last generation Miata is better than the new one (or MX-5) 'cuz some of the "soul" was lost with the added weight.

Good explanation.

The "soul" is probably what is keeping me from selling her for a new car.

Plus every time I pull up and see her I am taken back by her beauty, and poise.

ALIEN3T

09-11-2007, 11:39 AM

From my point of view.
I loved the 1st gen pros.
my bro got me int o the mazdas more when he went form a zx2 to a mp3. then he went msp for awhile.. I drove a mambers msp out here and i loved it.
Well i was looking at used msp 03.5 and was hoping when the ms3 came out ( i liked the car didnt think i could get it) but the msp were still 12500 - 18000 in price with 40-80,000 miles. I figured they woudl go down more when the ms3 came out (people trading in and what not).
well i called around for fun and was noting all the dealers around me had absolutly no mark up. went to a dealer had an ms3 and a used msp on the lot. for the price extra intrest lack of warranty help for me ot make a decision to by an ms3. wasnt much more longer time on warranty. I knwo how the car is driven broke in and what not. and it felt good to have a new car first year of the special model.
I knwo fo rme i love my MS3 im a hatchback wagon kinda guy in newr cars (my old school route though is a notchback vw is my dream).
I came from an escort gt. love that car. But i kwo for me it was the fact for a little more money, a motor they spent more time on. and i loved the feeling and a warranty .

PLus the wife sayting yes we cna get a new car!!!!

But the msp were still agreat car. one of the few newer better looking sedans. (i have no bad words on it)

but either way i have a great car i love (thats inportant you love what you drive everyone is diffrent ro life boring). and well enjoy all the maza communitys im in. (i dont hang or knwo any bad ms3 owners or msp owners)

shamrock

09-11-2007, 12:48 PM

Naw, not pissed...the market is asking for cars just like the MS3, the GTI, even the *gasp* STi, and they're bigger and faster than the cars before them. The MS3 in my opinion is fast as hell, can't take that away from it. Stock form vs. stock it will leave a MSP with no problems. It seems as though it's easier to live with on an everyday basis also, so I won't take anything away from it. But just like some people say the last generation Miata is better than the new one (or MX-5) 'cuz some of the "soul" was lost with the added weight. I say just buy what u like and be happy with it. And if your not, trade it in; not like your married to the car. But the one thing I WILL say is, if I saw a MS3 with a sticker price of $22k-$23k, I know ALOT of people over here that will buy it quick! And it would be nice if they put that motor (that in my opinion, is a great motor) in the sedan it would make it even more appealing than it is now.

(friday)

Well done. See the thing is, is that I wanted to see an aggressive sedan come out this year, and nothing did. The only real option in the WRX, but Im not really impressed with it. It would have been awesome if the MS3 came out in a sedan. I would be all over it. Although if you look at the hatch MS3 the way Mazda designed the car, its still got an aggressive look. Like I have been saying ever since I started posting in this thread I like the way the MSP looks, but I want to get something new and the MS3 is out, and I like it. To each there own

CantCMe

09-11-2007, 01:44 PM

(friday)

Well done. See the thing is, is that I wanted to see an aggressive sedan come out this year, and nothing did. The only real option in the WRX, but Im not really impressed with it. It would have been awesome if the MS3 came out in a sedan. I would be all over it. Although if you look at the hatch MS3 the way Mazda designed the car, its still got an aggressive look. Like I have been saying ever since I started posting in this thread I like the way the MSP looks, but I want to get something new and the MS3 is out, and I like it. To each there own

Nuthin' wrong with that...for me, I want something that I would feel comfortable working on, and the msp is a good platform to work on in my opinion...there's nothing that can break on my car (which is a regular Pro, not the msp...i'll build my own) that someone else on this forum can't tell me how to fix or at least point me in the right direction. I don't want a car note, so I'll just keep rebuilding my ride and pocket some money for upgrades. In a couple of years it will be the ms3 vs. ms3.5 matrix edition or something like that (lol)! But like u said, to each there own.