** Turbo questions **

[jaredbzoom]

Im planning on boosting my MP3 with the HIBoost kit..
** What I need is any info/advice that can help me out with the install..
Such as any problems, difficult wrenching, and problemmatic wiring, and what really comes with the kit...

I've been told a few diffrent things about whats included in the kit.
1. HIBoost website says " everythings included for a bolt on installation.
2. I was told by someone else, I will need boost controler and gauges, and vac. lines.
3. someone else said i dont need the boost cont. and gauges to run the kit on my car.

So please tell me what you think......
thanks..:):

[CulRidr]

Everything stated above is correct, because from what I know, it includes everything, but you don't NEED gauges for it to work, it's just HIGHLY recommended so you know what's going on with your engine...

[skateemerica788]

yea u need forged pistons and rods too cause u dont want to blow apart your engine...i didnt know if u knew that...or u just could get a forged block.

[njaremka]

since you have an mp3, you'll need to replace your ecu, too. too much ignition advance from the stock ecu.

[JoeManNorth]

yea u need forged pistons and rods too cause u dont want to blow apart your engine...i didnt know if u knew that...or u just could get a forged block.

You dont NEED foreged internals. There are plenty of people on this site that are running a turbo on stock internals with no problems. As long as you're not trying to boost insain numbers, and as long as your engine is properly tuned.

[jaredbzoom]

since you have an mp3, you'll need to replace your ecu, too. too much ignition advance from the stock ecu.

ECU... No one has even said anything replacing the ecu????(pissed)
PLease tell me more....

[shane02pro5]

My clutch started slipping the first day so you will definately need an upgrade there too!

[jaredbzoom]

My clutch started slipping the first day so you will definately need an upgrade there too!

I have a st 1 clutchmaster clutch, I put it in about a year ago???
I still need an upgraded you think????

[Brian MP5T]

^^^ You will find out as soon as it starts to fail...

You don't need the boost controller.

You should get the Boost/Vac from Defi or Autometer as a minimum.

You should never boost over 7 Psi unless you really want a new clutch and a rebuilt engine...

[shane02pro5]

I had a Clutchmasters Stage IIR and I started slipping at around 10psi.
I'm not sure what the Stage 1 is rated for??

[shane02pro5]

Hiboost comes with an 8psi spring. Definately look into the risks of having the MP3 ecu with advanced timing. Many people swap for a P5 ecu which you can pick up cheap from protegegarage.com.

[dave45090]

You should never boost over 7 Psi unless you really want a new clutch and a rebuilt engine...

What if you have a SplitSecond AFC and supporting mods and up the boost up to 9-10 psi? Of course you would obviously need a clutch for that.

[jaredbzoom]

^^^ Im not really looking for pressures above 6-7 psi right now.....

[Keno1542]

or you could upgrade the engine management to fuel and ignition...instead of the fuel only control that comes with the hiboost kit...it is an optional upgrade from hiboost.

[Brian MP5T]

Over 7 Psi... There are no ways to prevent it from breaking.

[Dermen]

ECU... No one has even said anything replacing the ecu????(pissed)
PLease tell me more....

The MP3 ECU has advanced timing. You can swap it with a normal Protege ECU that doesn't have the advanced timing.

I would be willing to swap you my ECU plus some cash for your MP3 ECU since I don't plan on getting a turbo. PM me if you are interested.

[dave45090]

Over 7 Psi... There are no ways to prevent it from breaking.

Uggghhh....I guess I already know that. I too am willing and ready to accept my fate as you have Brian. Ehhhhh, it's just money.

[CulRidr]

The stage 1 clutch should be able to EASILY handle 6-7lbs of boost as you will only be running under 200ft-lbs of torque...

[1moreMPH]

hell the stock clutch holds up fine to decent numbers.

As far as the hiboost goes... it's a VERY good idea to have a boost gauge, just in case and so you can watch over things. Replacing all your vac lines with silicon ones is always a good idea though not necessary (i have yet to do that :(). I should think that a boost controller is unnecessary as i believe the boost should be controlled by a integrated wastegate actuator on the turbo (just like us MSP's). If you wanted more than the 7psi or whatever it is, then yes a BC is required. EMS is a great idea, i would at least get AFC, you'll fall in love with the car all over again.

[dave45090]

hell the stock clutch holds up fine to decent numbers.

Only because you own a MSP? The question at hand is a MP3 owner. Will his MP3 clutch hold up to "said" numbers?

[1moreMPH]

is it not the same clutch? i was under the impression that the mazdaspeed models did not have any sort of upgraded clutch.

[jaredbzoom]

or you could upgrade the engine management to fuel and ignition...instead of the fuel only control that comes with the hiboost kit...it is an optional upgrade from hiboost.

What would you guys suggest (sp?) ???? microtech?? is that fuel & ignition??
thanks..

p.s. I ordered the hiboost turbo kit today!!!!!!!(nana)

[jaredbzoom]

Only because you own a MSP? The question at hand is a MP3 owner. Will his MP3 clutch hold up to "said" numbers?

I have a st 1 clutch I think it holds about 200hp ??? not to sure.. but I think...

[NCZ13]

i plan on doing this to my p5 in within the next year

[jlewchuk]

i thot the highboost kit already comes with microtech?

correct me if i am wrong...

[CulRidr]

Clutches are rated by their torque, not their horsepower. The MP3 has a similar clutch to the MSP (the MSP was slightly revised to handle more torque; no idea on the specs though), and I know someone in a P5 who held near 250lbs of WHEEL torque before it started letting go so...the stage 1 will be JUST fine...
as for management, I really don't know what to recommend, but I don't think you need to go as far as the Microtech/AEM...an piggyback is a bare minimum though, such as the one from Split Second.

[mryellermp5]

Correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't the MP3 already come with one of the "V's deleted= VTCS or VICS...so swapping the ECUs for a regular protege or P5 may not work....

[Keno1542]

hiboost kits come with the haltech f10x, which only controls fuel...they have an option to upgrade to a haltech e6x which controls fuel and timing. jared which kit did you order? i would suggest trying to upgrade the ems to the e6x straight from hiboost if you still can.. if you just got the budget version-the version without engine management or blowoff valve, i would look into getting the mcrotech..from what i have read it is the most tunable one for the protege.

[Dermen]

Correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't the MP3 already come with one of the "V's deleted= VTCS or VICS...so swapping the ECUs for a regular protege or P5 may not work....

It comes without VTCS so it will throw a cel. There should be an easy fix since a lot of regular Protege owners remove the VTCS. Plus all the MP3 owners who have swapped ECUs to go turbo.

EDIT

From a quick search all I could find was this post by TheMAN.

it can be fixed with proper electrical know-how. you'll need to get a VTCS solenoid and hook it up straight to the ECU at pin 73 for one terminal and hook up the other terminal by splicing to the wires coming off of pin 97 or 71... this can all be done with a few inches of 16 gauge wire by the ECU and the VTCS solenoid can be hidden there... you really must have the wiring diagrams and skill to do this... otherwise have someone do it

[shane02pro5]

A stock P5 clutch will not hold a Hiboost set-up at 8psi for more than a couple of days at around 220ft/lbs of torque. I was going easy on it at first but the top of 2nd gear was enough to let go!

[jaredbzoom]

hiboost kits come with the haltech f10x, which only controls fuel...they have an option to upgrade to a haltech e6x which controls fuel and timing. jared which kit did you order? i would suggest trying to upgrade the ems to the e6x straight from hiboost if you still can.. if you just got the budget version-the version without engine management or blowoff valve, i would look into getting the mcrotech..from what i have read it is the most tunable one for the protege.

I ordered the one with the kit with haltechf10x...(birthday)
(help)So correct if Im wrong but...... If I swap a p5 ecu i will need to do a little extra wiring ( according to the threads above ?? ) Is this right????

I plan on rebuilding the motor and crankin up the boost in the future, so would it be adviceable to go with a piggyback or a standalone system so I have complete tunning control?????

[jaredbzoom]

[QUOTE=1moreMPH;3341486]hell the stock clutch holds up fine to decent numbers.

Replacing all your vac lines with silicon ones is always a good idea though not necessary

I guess I will find out if i need a new clutch when it starts to slips....

Is there like a " full sillicon hose kit" for the Protege that I can get all vac lines in one pack???? :confused:

[Keno1542]

i would try to change your order with hiboost to get the haltech e6x instead of the f10x...they would obviously take a little more cash...but with your plans it is advisable to go ahead and get the fuel and timing contol now...and plus with the e6x you won't have to trade ecus. BTW the f10x is a "piggyback" but it only controls fuel...as where the e6x contols a lot more. Just get in touch with hiboost, that will help you out a lot.

[Brian MP5T]

is it not the same clutch? i was under the impression that the mazdaspeed models did not have any sort of upgraded clutch.

MSP Has a better clutch.

[jaredbzoom]

I got in a little over my head maybe..(smash)... I cant afford a good ems right now....Im going to trade my ecu for stock protege ecu..



** Any idea of vac. lines im going to need??? **

[Keno1542]

that works well too...and the plus side to that is you can charge a pretty penny for your ecu as it is a premium item...very limited and hard to find...you can always upgrade your ems later..keep us updated on your progress though

[JoeManNorth]

I heard of people putting in a MSP ECU seeing it was programed for a turbo set up. I'd search that first.

I wouldnt trade that MP3 ECU straight up though.. it's worth way more then a stock.

[Keno1542]

yeah, the mp3 ecu is worth way more...and it is very rare...so you can basically charge anything you want to...but i think he is getting the f10x with his kit anyways..so no need for the msp ecu...it will actually make him do more tuning with the msp ecu...as the base map on the f10x would not work well with the msp ecu.

[CantCMe]

so the best bet would be to get a standalone ecu, right?

[Brian MP5T]

I heard of people putting in a MSP ECU seeing it was programed for a turbo set up. I'd search that first.

I wouldnt trade that MP3 ECU straight up though.. it's worth way more then a stock.

People desire the part because they feel it will give them extra power.

Some of the power is delivered by the intake manifold, so just putting this on will not be an "Experience" by itself..

You guys are thinking this is some sort of holy grail of awesomeness, it's no big deal.

To answer the last post, Sure Standalone FTW, however, people are normally not interested in the cost of the unit and then the large cost of dyno time to get it tuned.

[CantCMe]

People desire the part because they feel it will give them extra power.

Some of the power is delivered by the intake manifold, so just putting this on will not be an "Experience" by itself..

You guys are thinking this is some sort of holy grail of awesomeness, it's no big deal.

To answer the last post, Sure Standalone FTW, however, people are normally not interested in the cost of the unit and then the large cost of dyno time to get it tuned.

damn...as far as the ecu goes, i don't know what direction I should go...any suggestions?

[njaremka]

with the MSP ECU, that should be all you need. with the ES ECU, you'll need some sort of other fueling option to assist

[CantCMe]

with the MSP ECU, that should be all you need. with the ES ECU, you'll need some sort of other fueling option to assist

I have an '02 ES and the stock msp turbo kit...I guess I want it to be as easy to tune as possible...7psi is enuf for me...something that can control fuel and timing i guess.

[CulRidr]

There are a couple of piggybacks that can help with that and won't cost you an arm...I'm not very familiar with them all but 500-750$ sounds about right for a piggyback that controls both those things...

[jaredbzoom]

yeah, the mp3 ecu is worth way more...and it is very rare...so you can basically charge anything you want to...but i think he is getting the f10x with his kit anyways..so no need for the msp ecu...it will actually make him do more tuning with the msp ecu...as the base map on the f10x would not work well with the msp ecu.



with the MSP ECU, that should be all you need. with the ES ECU, you'll need some sort of other fueling option to assist

What do I do here ??
Im trying to learn about what parts I need.. And Im getting two answers
** Im not trying to make anyone mad, and not saying who is right or wrong.

[Keno1542]

if you bought the full hiboost kit, with the f10x, then you need to trade your ecu with a es, as that is the ecu hiboost programs their f10x map for...talk to hiboost man...thay will tell you exactly what to do.

[CantCMe]

So I guess the best thing for me to do would be to purchase a msp ecu (I have an 'ES) for the turbo kit...i hope.

[Keno1542]

that should work as long as you have a kit basically similar to a msp kit...and it is a great way to start if you didnt order a kit with the ems included...the only downside to the msp ecu is that you can not tune it at all.

[CantCMe]

that should work as long as you have a kit basically similar to a msp kit...and it is a great way to start if you didnt order a kit with the ems included...the only downside to the msp ecu is that you can not tune it at all.

that's the kit I have, the stock callaway msp turbo kit...what exactly would I have to tune if I wanted it at the stock boost levels?

[njaremka]

if you just want to run it at stock levels, just get the msp ecu and be done with it.

[CantCMe]

but if i wanted to crank up the boost to say, 9-10psi, all I would need is a boost controller, right?

[Brian MP5T]

but if i wanted to crank up the boost to say, 9-10psi, all I would need is a boost controller, right?

Yes, and a desire to rebuild..

[CantCMe]

Well, hopefully (if it's still in my budget) I'm gonna get that forged package from ProtegeGarage before I go turbo, so I should be ok with about 9psi (hopefully).

[jaredbzoom]

So with the hiboost kit, do I want a msp or es ECU??

[Keno1542]

So with the hiboost kit, do I want a msp or es ECU??

es...again talk to hiboost...being one of their customers...they should help you out no problem.

[1moreMPH]

CantCMe -- you want a msp ecu, then if you want more power/smoother ride/tuning options/ability to add more boost... then get a piggyback along with the MSP ecu.

a few piggybacks off the top of my head:
AFC -- only controls fuel, no timing. cheap and good for moderate mods/boost levels.
UNICHIP -- arguably the best piggyback for our car, but you will not be able to tune it yourself. bleh. it controls fuel and timing.
MPI -- i don't know this product extremely well but after reading up a little this honestly seems like the best option. Cheaper than unichip, controls fuel and timing, tunable by you, able to trade maps with other people, + extra injector option if you wanna get crazy.

[CantCMe]

CantCMe -- you want a msp ecu, then if you want more power/smoother ride/tuning options/ability to add more boost... then get a piggyback along with the MSP ecu.

a few piggybacks off the top of my head:
AFC -- only controls fuel, no timing. cheap and good for moderate mods/boost levels.
UNICHIP -- arguably the best piggyback for our car, but you will not be able to tune it yourself. bleh. it controls fuel and timing.
MPI -- i don't know this product extremely well but after reading up a little this honestly seems like the best option. Cheaper than unichip, controls fuel and timing, tunable by you, able to trade maps with other people, + extra injector option if you wanna get crazy.

Now that sounds like a winner (MPI)...not trying to pay someone crazy dollars to tune my car.

[jaredbzoom]

The unichip system won't work on the MP3.. I dont know what Im going to do..
**Update**
turbo kit ordered Aug. 16 + $ 4ks = still wondering what I paid for......

[njaremka]

The unichip system won't work on the MP3....

why not? if it works on a mazdaspeed, so why not the mp3?

[EMPIRE]

I agree with everyone, You need forged internals if you plan on dogging the motor. I have the Big boost set up in mine and I run 12 psi Daily driver for the past 6 months with stock internals and the car Runs fine no problems. It just depends on how you drive the car. If you always take off from a dead stop everytime then expect on breaking something. I'll have some pics of the car today on my cardomain so check it out when you get time. Hope this helps out with your question.

[CantCMe]

12psi? Wow...I know I couldn't do it 'cuz I know I'm gonna really push it from time to time. I'm gonna have to go forged! Now my plans are to wait 'til Feb or March and have everything installed at the same time, forged internals and turbo kit. Might as well be safe than sorry.