Going Forged

[HighwayUFO]

I have made the descision to go forged. The plan is to have the motor in the car and ready for next drag and auto cross seasons. My work is affording me a company truck to take home, so that will greatly reduce the driving of my car.

I have a friend who is holding onto an ebay special T3/T4 turbo that has been rebuilt with Garrett internals for me.

I will keep everyone updated on the progress and speed in which "Project: Danger Kart" is being completed.

[orng1]

Nice, I have been working on a forged motor for myself as well. Just getting together all the parts is taking a lot of time.

[crashkelly]

Nice, I have been working on a forged motor for myself as well. Just getting together all the parts is taking a lot of time.

Ha I hear that...

[crashkelly]

definately keep us update on any probs you run into.

[Fudgie]

Lol. I hear that!! Took me about a year back in 04' -05' to round up shit for my car. Got caught in a major cluster fuck involving MAM. It sucked.



Nice, I have been working on a forged motor for myself as well. Just getting together all the parts is taking a lot of time.

[crashkelly]

Lol. I hear that!! Took me about a year back in 04' -05' to round up shit for my car. Got caught in a major cluster fuck involving MAM. It sucked.

dude i am glad i didnt get in that boat with you guys...I was considering it after i got a few parts from them...then like a month later the mob was out with pitch forks hunting down Beau Pauley.

[Fudgie]

My situation was a little different- In an attempt to avoid the MAM bs, I ordered from another vendor. I did not know that vendor was getting them from Beau. 9 months later- I get a box with .040 over pistons and USED, yes thats right folks, used rods dripping with oil still containing a fine set of spun bearings. Original order was stock bore pistons and h-beam rods. I felt bad for the vendor I purchased through. He was totally on the ball always replying to all of my emails. Nobody wins dealing with a jackass. Luckily I got my money back. 1 day later I had rods and 4 weeks later the pistons came from MPNick. After being so irritated, I tried selling all my stuff but ended up just installing it. Now I'm running 13 psi, with water/methanol nitromethane injection. Be patient with your build!!






dude i am glad i didnt get in that boat with you guys...I was considering it after i got a few parts from them...then like a month later the mob was out with pitch forks hunting down Beau Pauley.

[CantCMe]

I was looking at the forged piston/rod set from ProtegeGarage (for $1300?!?!?). Is that a good deal? It says it comes with everything ur gonna need...I wanna install the stock turbo but wanna make sure i don't blow anything. Keep us updated HighwayUFO...

[Alejo_NIN]

i'm contemplating the idea of going forged..
one thing tho, right now i can only afford one of two things

Haltech EMS
or
Forged internals..

my question is, is the stock ecu good for 14PSI with a voltage clamp?
i have an emanage tho...so perhaps i can get mor efuel if needed.

[CantCMe]

i'm contemplating the idea of going forged..
one thing tho, right now i can only afford one of two things

Haltech EMS
or
Forged internals..

my question is, is the stock ecu good for 14PSI with a voltage clamp?
i have an emanage tho...so perhaps i can get mor efuel if needed.

What psi are you pushin' now? I'm only gonna go about 10psi...I just wanna make sure I don't blow sh*t up. Some say anything over 8 I need to go forged.

[Alejo_NIN]

i'm doing 10 psi now
i want to push 14

i think is fair to say that the stock ecu would have enough fuel for 14psi being that my car is ubber rich right now at 10 psi
i think is safe to assume that i can run 12 psi safely now..i just don't wanna push it

[CantCMe]

i'm doing 10 psi now
i want to push 14

i think is fair to say that the stock ecu would have enough fuel for 14psi being that my car is ubber rich right now at 10 psi
i think is safe to assume that i can run 12 psi safely now..i just don't wanna push it

It's easy for me to say that 12 would be enuf for me but we'll see...

[Alejo_NIN]

is never enough

[CantCMe]

so do u think that protegegarage kit is worth $1300?

[Alejo_NIN]

yes, if you have the money

arias pistons and pauter rods are about the best set up for the MSP

good luck if you go that way mang...you'll never regret forging an engine

[kamon8404]

What psi are you pushin' now? I'm only gonna go about 10psi...I just wanna make sure I don't blow sh*t up. Some say anything over 8 I need to go forged.

That is not true. There are plenty of members pushing 10+ psi daily. It all about the right tune and supporting mods ....

[CantCMe]

yes, if you have the money

arias pistons and pauter rods are about the best set up for the MSP

good luck if you go that way mang...you'll never regret forging an engine

Well, it's expensive, and my fear of blowing a piston will be gone, plus more flexibility later if i want more power. So if it's worth it, then i'll do it. Just after Christmas!!!!

[Alejo_NIN]

ya, nice christmas gift!

[CantCMe]

That is not true. There are plenty of members pushing 10+ psi daily. It all about the right tune and supporting mods ....

What kind of supporting mods? And I don't know of too many places in my area that are trusted to tune a turbo...plus i have a heavy right foot and my motor has 172K + on it. I know it's gonna cost me, but rather be safe than sorry (as safe as 220whp can be!!)

[Alejo_NIN]

you cna do 220 wiht a stock motor

supporting mods:
full exhaust 3" turbo back
FMIC
WideBand(just to be safe)
CAI (duh, probably already have that)

[CantCMe]

you cna do 220 wiht a stock motor

supporting mods:
full exhaust 3" turbo back
FMIC
WideBand(just to be safe)
CAI (duh, probably already have that)

What's a WideBand? What kind of FMIC and how much would the hardpipes run? And i'll have to say bye-bye to my Magnaflow exhaust and it's lifetime guarantee!!

[Alejo_NIN]

a wideband O2 sensor is an oxygen sensor that's much more smart than the stock oxygen sensor..it is also much more sensible toward changes on the mixture and can give you more accurate reading of your Air/Fuel ratio.

a FMIC is....lol

anyways, get yourself a FMIC kit for about 600-700 bucks and you'll be set

[martyy2k]

Hey guys, wen going forged, set aside the need for rods and pistons, what else is needed to do a good job?

Head studs?
getting the crankshaft balanced etc....

Feedback please... I just wanna make sure i'm gonna be planning the right setps.

Thanks!

BTW, i'm aiming at a good 250whp. (flame2)

[Alejo_NIN]

no need to get the crank shaft balanced....maybe verified, but most likely it'll be within spec...DO CHECK THO!

a honing on the block
new oil pump
new timing belt
new tensioners
new head studs
new bearings all around

about 500 bucks more on parts...

[CantCMe]

wow...more parts=more money

[martyy2k]

no need to get the crank shaft balanced....maybe verified, but most likely it'll be within spec...DO CHECK THO!

a honing on the block
new oil pump
new timing belt
new tensioners
new head studs
new bearings all around

about 500 bucks more on parts...

Okay, but wont the new parts be heavier that stock?

[CantCMe]

i'm about to drive my ride down to Miami to get some professional help!!!

[Alejo_NIN]

excuse me, what?


Okay, but wont the new parts be heavier that stock?

[Alejo_NIN]

lol, i ain't no professional dude...

i'm just cheap...

cheap people have to learn how to do stuff by themselfs

the little money i have i'm not about to give to someone else to do stuff that i'm capable of doing...

that's all


i mean, if you have the means of paying for someone to do it...great! good for you....i can't, so i get greasy on the weekends
i'm about to drive my ride down to Miami to get some professional help!!!

[martyy2k]

excuse me, what?


Aren't the forged parts a little heavier than stock rods and pistons? I think question is simple! :P LOL

Might be a bad info i was given, but better to ask than be sorry! Never to careful, especially when running hi boost levels and 6500rpm's!

[Alejo_NIN]

i'm hoping you are referring to balancing the crank...and if so, then you still maybe don't need to balance at all because you don't balance a crank with the pistons on it...

you balance it by itself, so it is irrelevant the weight of the pistons and rods..

[martyy2k]

i'm hoping you are referring to balancing the crank...and if so, then you still maybe don't need to balance at all because you don't balance a crank with the pistons on it...

you balance it by itself, so it is irrelevant the weight of the pistons and rods..


Glad to hear that! Then that was a bad info i was given. What i was thinking is that always 2 pistons are travalling up ans 2 atravelling down so the counter balance should be automatic. But hey, you never know! Thanks for clearing that up for me and maybe others too! (lol)

[CantCMe]

lol, i ain't no professional dude...

i'm just cheap...

cheap people have to learn how to do stuff by themselfs

the little money i have i'm not about to give to someone else to do stuff that i'm capable of doing...

that's all


i mean, if you have the means of paying for someone to do it...great! good for you....i can't, so i get greasy on the weekends

i wouldn't say cheap people...maybe those that have the patience and know-how? if i had the time i'd do the same thing. the one thing i can't afford is to blow something up and pay to get it fixed. if i knew how to do it myself i'd put my sh*t together and have other people pay me to hook theirs up!

[Alejo_NIN]

that's where you have to learn

you think i've been to school or something? NEVER, i had never been to one class.
i've always worked on cars that i'm supposed to use as daily drivers
i used to practice on cars with blown heads
READING is fundamental in this field

no school can teach you that a mazdaspeed differential is weak, or how to do 5 lug conversions, or how to install other's cars manifolds into your car. is all based on trial and error

[CantCMe]

that's where you have to learn

you think i've been to school or something? NEVER, i had never been to one class.
i've always worked on cars that i'm supposed to use as daily drivers
i used to practice on cars with blown heads
READING is fundamental in this field

no school can teach you that a mazdaspeed differential is weak, or how to do 5 lug conversions, or how to install other's cars manifolds into your car. is all based on trial and error

that's true...oh well, better get another car to play with!

[JDM Sam]

If you want to build it to last and run like a high performance engine you balance the crank, rods, & pistons. The cranks are not balanced perfectly from the factory. We balanced a few cranks on a Sunnen crank balancing machine and we improved the balance over the factory.

[Jaysanooch]

If you want to build it to last and run like a high performance engine you balance the crank, rods, & pistons. The cranks are not balanced perfectly from the factory. We balanced a few cranks on a Sunnen crank balancing machine and we improved the balance over the factory.

That's what I figured, thanks!

[Jaysanooch]

i wouldn't say cheap people...maybe those that have the patience and know-how? if i had the time i'd do the same thing. the one thing i can't afford is to blow something up and pay to get it fixed. if i knew how to do it myself i'd put my sh*t together and have other people pay me to hook theirs up!

I agree totally!

[CantCMe]

But I'm gonna TRY to get everything put together right the first time...balanced, checked and re-checked. Now I just gotta get all the parts...

[AcolyteMSP]

Yeah deffinatly dont skip out on doing things right. Forged Rods, Pistons, Gasket, Studs. Bearings Re-balance crank.

I wouldn't cheap out on a rebuild take it to a company with a good rep, even if it costs a lot more. A build is close to 1000$ install is close to that as well.

As far as safe boost levels on the MSP haha good luck raising it above stock.
My motor was 53k BONE stock not even intake, premium fuel, driving softly shifting below 4k and BOOM! MSP rods are toothpicks anything above stock is a gamble.(Belive me I know, I have held them snaped in my hands)

I know of a few good shops in Arizona..
RPM engineering (Place that used to build MAM's Motors)
Intense Motorsports

[orng1]

I have almost 60k and I have been boosting above 8psi since I got the car. Ok the day after LOL. The only things I have broken are the LSD, motor mounts and I had the clutch start to slip at higher RPM. These cars are so different from one another that you never know when or if something will go wrong.

[martyy2k]

Thats my concern, if i modify it: exhaust, FMIC, CAI , Forge BPV and Split second AFC, will it blow the darn thing apart or not?

I will stay stock boost until warranty expires.. i am currently at 95000 km with a 160000km extended warranty on car. I drive with my head, not just the foot to the floor all the time!

I am planning on going forged internals in 2 years.

[CantCMe]

Yeah, I'm gonna take the forged plunge...i'm glad I got that info about the crankshaft (that will be balanced too). I'm gonna try to keep boost around 9psi...but just in case 10-12 starts callin' I want to have the right parts in place already.

[HighwayUFO]

First new addition bought today.

A buddy of mine blew up an ebay special To4E. He pulled it all apart and rebuilt it with all Garrett internals. Ebay special cold side snail with Garrett internals and Garrett hot side snail for $150.

If my finances go well, I should have the motor ready to purchase in late October to early November. The car will be running by Christmas.

If I didn't want to finish mowing my lawn, I would put pics of the turbo up, but those will wait a few hours.