Requesting a Tune for the Standback.

[VinnieBeachbum]

I have test pipe, CPE- cat back, BOV, Cold air intake. Anyone have a tune for this I can build off of and possibly share back and forth?

[MUSOM]

i do....but i paid about $600 for a dyno and road tune and am not real thrilled to just give it out. the tune was worth 35 HP and 35 torque or so.

[JDM Sam]

lol, back up a few years ago and people will flame you for wanting to charge for a map.

[LBV]

I'm with Musom - if he did it on his own then I can see sharing it gratis, but paying $600 is a lot of coin to be sharing.

[07MS6]

Don't post & be an ass if you're not willing to share your tune. Wow...

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

Don't post & be an ass if you're not willing to share your tune. Wow...

agreed. 'well i have a fix for you(nana), but no you can't have it (gun)'

kinda gay, thats the point of having the same piggybacks. swap maps back and forth. anyway to each their own, i hope karma kicks some ass down the road

[Maxx Mazda]

Having been there I spent $600 on a dyno myself and I don't know if I'd just "give" out my map...

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

i think it should be a community based thing for everyone who has the piggyback, thats all. that way no matter what combination of mods you have, and no matter what brand of mod you chose to go with. you could get a tuned map for your car.

but i haven't spent any money on a dyno...let alone the standback, so i have no room to talk

[TX Speed 6]

I agree the community/sharing arguement, but I also feel for the guys that spent soooo much money on their tune, while some other guy gets it for nothing. How bout you charge people like 50 bucks to share your map??(scratch) I dunno, I might get yelled at here....

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

well it wont be a perfect tune anyway. as each car runs different to begin with. and also if you were to share a map with someone,

lets say MUSOM was gonna share one with me for example (assuming i had all his sickly mods lol), i would still need to do a bunch of road tuning myself. cuz i'm at around 5,000 ft above sea level, and he is about 500 ft above sea level. it wouldn't be the same at all, nowhere near a perfect tune. just a better baseline

so i still don't think its cool to charge someone to share.

[forrestang]

I wouldn't expect much from a tune I got mailed to me anyways.......I don't think anyone can really tune your car over the phone?

[Maxx Mazda]

Even though it won't work 100% it's a good starting point, but still that starting point cost someone $600. I wouldn't give my map away. I'd sell it for like $50 but I'm also a cheap prick lol! :D

[Igve2shtz]

I have to agree with MUSOM. Selling a tune you did yourself is one thing (a butt-dyno). But asking for a free professional tune (especially at $600) is just greedy. Plus, you would have to get it professionally tuned anyway for your mods and sea-level, and local gas.

Now, what you could do is ask what parameters he has, like what the a/f ratios are, and what kind of spark advance/retard (I'm sorry. Its "spark challenged", not spark-retard) he has, then do your own tuning. Or suck it up, and get some dyno time.

Dont be greedy.

[Chris-BE]

$600 seems mighty expensive.

It shouldn't take more then 1 to 1.5 hours. It's not that hard to tune the Speed6.

$330 for 1 1/2 hours of AWD dyno tune sounds reasonable.

Vinnie, PM me your email and I'll send you mine.

It's funny how so many talk shit about asking for tunes. I should have kept a list of all of those begging for my tune a few months ago.

[Maxx Mazda]

I don't know where you get dyno time for less than $150/hr unless it's not a dynojet.

[JDM Sam]

$600 for dyno time plus tuning labor is about right.

Everyone wants a freebie. That person is inferring they might be willing to share his map for a fee. You can either pay or you don't.
Let's all have one person pay for something, so we all can leach off him for free. Not very fair to the person paying, is it?

If you don't know what you are doing it is better to pay someone to tune it for you, rather than try to get someone's map and tune around it and screw something up.

If you know how many hours are spent actually setting up a map to run on certain EMS systems, you will understand why people do not want to give out maps for free. R&D time isn't free. You have to have pay to play.

FYI, your car's EFI system has a sensor for barometric pressure correction for elevation....

[Maxx Mazda]

Sam said it best. I spent about 40 or so hours getting my map setup, and giving it away would be all for nought. I don't even know that I'd sell it. It's wierd, I'm not really a prick, but I just didn't understand how much work was involved until I actually spent the time and money on it.

[VinnieBeachbum]

we all have our different opinions. My tuner guy may have a different view than yours. I just wanted a couple of tunes to check out what is common and what people did differently. Then based off of that make my own. and then take it to the dyno where I get charged 125$ an hour for dyno and tuning together. If you do not want to share knowledge thats all fine. You paid good money for yours. I will pay good money for mine. I was going to share it with whomever. I will share it with certain people that help me out. <shrug>

[Haltech]

I don't know where you get dyno time for less than $150/hr unless it's not a dynojet.


$125 first hr
$75/hr each hour afterwards here

[Chris-BE]

$600 for dyno time plus tuning labor is about right.

Everyone wants a freebie. That person is inferring they might be willing to share his map for a fee. You can either pay or you don't.
Let's all have one person pay for something, so we all can leach off him for free. Not very fair to the person paying, is it?



Again $600 is WAY too much you are getting ripped off, especially if it's a Speed6.

If it takes more then 2 hours then that person is an incompetent fool.

Mine was done on a Dynapack, in just over an hour. And this was the first time the tuner (Shawn Church) ever seen the CP-E tuner, let alone tune a Speed6.

In any case, if you don't want to be part of the group and share, that's fine. But don't make up BS excuses.

[Maxx Mazda]

$125 first hr
$75/hr each hour afterwards here

USD vs. CAD

[Maxx Mazda]

Again $600 is WAY too much you are getting ripped off, especially if it's a Speed6.

If it takes more then 2 hours then that person is an incompetent fool.

Mine was done on a Dynapack, in just over an hour. And this was the first time the tuner (Shawn Church) ever seen the CP-E tuner, let alone tune a Speed6.

In any case, if you don't want to be part of the group and share, that's fine. But don't make up BS excuses.

I think Sam and I are talking about tuning our Standalones... Anyone can tune a crappy piggyback in less than an hour.

[forrestang]

Yeah, but the original poster is asking for a tune for a standback, tha'ts not a standalone.

If there is a standalone for the SPeed.....I want one.

[trees]

Yeah, but the original poster is asking for a tune for a standback, tha'ts not a standalone.

If there is a standalone for the SPeed.....I want one.

look at post #14. They say this 500hp car had a Motec Stand Alone. http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123674381

[forrestang]

I like those wheels!!! I want those!!!

That read car seems like it's probably the most extreme speed 6 out there though.

Not quite the same as a guy with an EMS and a few bolt ons.

I wish there were more details somewhere on that car. I'd convert my car to port and standalone in a heart beat.

WIth port injection I don't think you have the driver problems you have with our Disi system?

[Maxx Mazda]

Use the Haltech on the MS6 / MS3. The E6X will work, but I'd go with the E8.

[TX Speed 6]

I'm probably gonna sound pretty dumb (confused), but I'm not sure I know what the diff. is between a stand alone and a stand back??? Does a standback merely change some of the signals from the ECU and a stand alone replace the ECU?? (sorry to get off topic here)

[JDM Sam]

Dyno tuning all the load points and having ample cool down between runs is about 2 hours. I still see 2 hours dyno time being reasonable.

Dyno rental/tuning rates are different at each location so it maybe cheaper in one area.

Standback is just the product name CPE came up with.
Piggyback is an interceptor that modifies the signals.
Standalone is a programmable ECU independent of the factory ECU.

[Maxx Mazda]

You're kinda right mdogg. It's better to start from scratch with about an hour of street tuning, then hit the dyno. Too many people rely on street tuning alone.

[TX Speed 6]

Dyno tuning all the load points and having ample cool down between runs is about 2 hours. I still see 2 hours dyno time being reasonable.

Dyno rental/tuning rates are different at each location so it maybe cheaper in one area.

Standback is just the product name CPE came up with.
Piggyback is an interceptor that modifies the signals.
Standalone is a programmable ECU independent of the factory ECU.

Thanks! So wouldn't a standalone in theory be able to get around the throttle plate issue on the ms6 and ms3?

[Maxx Mazda]

What throttle plate issue?

[Chris-BE]

Thanks! So wouldn't a standalone in theory be able to get around the throttle plate issue on the ms6 and ms3?

It will also be fixed with the CP-E Standback.

[Chris-BE]

What throttle plate issue?

The throttle plate starts to close at around 5500rpm regardless of the throttle position.

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

What throttle plate issue?

its in the huge post about the CP-E's 'complete tuning solution' or something like that