Stock dyno run! 253 HP and 283 TQ

[FRUCTOSE]

Wanted to see how much the car was dynoing stock before I put on some mods. These two were the best of 4 pulls. The first run I did (which is out of order on the dyno sheet) we had a small fan blowing on the front of the car pointed closer to the radiator.

The best run I had was when we put the fan on a box and had the air come in through the air ducts to the intercooler. We had lower intake temps and 10 more whp and tq.

The hood was closed each time, and all pulls were done in 4th. As you can see the A/F readings are under what his meter would read(eek2)... Right past 4k rpms the A/F went below 10.1

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Sorry about the pic my scanner is broke so I took pics of the sheet.

The other two pulls that I did were right after the good pulls and the intercooler was heat soaked on those. They were about 30 to 40 whp and tq lower.

[bbychvz]

i got an error looking at your link........

other then that nice #'s(bowdown)

Bobby

[LENNY127]

i dyno ed mine 298hp 327 tq at the wheels....totally stock except for a new coat of wax....here s the link www.mazdas247.com/forum/attac...b.s. (you might get an error when you try to open this one too.

[SwampAss]

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/attac.....lol

[FRUCTOSE]

Sorry this should work:

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[SwampAss]

this was mine from a long time ago.

http://www.in-the-basement.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10013/dyno.JPG

[Akaveli]

this was mine from a long time ago.

http://www.in-the-basement.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10013/dyno.JPG

LOL nice!

[FRUCTOSE]

So where is there a problem at in the dyno swampass?

Nice dyno by the way.

[staples187]

Wanted to see how much the car was dynoing stock before I put on some mods. These two were the best of 4 pulls. The first run I did (which is out of order on the dyno sheet) we had a small fan blowing on the front of the car pointed closer to the radiator.

The best run I had was when we put the fan on a box and had the air come in through the air ducts to the intercooler. We had lower intake temps and 10 more whp and tq.

The hood was closed each time, and all pulls were done in 4th. As you can see the A/F readings are under what his meter would read(eek2)... Right past 4k rpms the A/F went below 10.1

113788

Sorry about the pic my scanner is broke so I took pics of the sheet.

The other two pulls that I did were right after the good pulls and the intercooler was heat soaked on those. They were about 30 to 40 whp and tq lower.


Those numbers and you're stock? Not even a CAI or anything? That's crazy.

[knowledge007]

lmao, I was waiting for someone to do that...

[FRUCTOSE]

Those numbers and you're stock? Not even a CAI or anything? That's crazy.


100% stock nothing done for power. Well I do have shifter bushings..lol... He was shocked as much as I was.

The guy has the dyno in his poll barn next to his house. He gave me directions to get out there and was like 10 miles away from everything. I pulled onto the street he was at, and it was a private drive with a house and a poll barn. I was like (huh) He has the dyno for tuning his spec miatas. He races in the scca, and his cars are really cool.

[wolverine81]

Why is this so shocking to everyone? Sport Compact Car Magazine got 250whp and 280wtq on a stock MS3. It's obvious that the car was underrated. My '03 Mustang Mach 1 was underrated by about 20hp from the factory when I got it dynoed stock. Lot's of performance cars are underrated from the factory. Some say it's to keep insurance costs down on whatever that particular model is. Hell, even the SRT-4's were underrated.

[FRUCTOSE]

I'm not asking people to believe me. I don't care if they do I'm just sharing my dyno to the forum. If you don't belive it then fine. I don't care, I just posted the dyno because I was shocked at the numbers. I plan to dyno after each mod and use it as a tuning device. The numbers are cool and all but they are just numbers and I plan to improve on them and document what does what.

I wish I did this with my last car but an awd dyno is way too far away from me.

[MS6S2K]

With that much WHP and Torque, you should be able to run high 13s and trap at around 104-105mph. That should tell the tale of accuracy on that dyno. I wish my Speed 6 had those numbers. I guarantee it's not even close. Definitely 25 lower on each without question. You got yourself a freak of nature bone stock Speed 3 if that is accurate. I suggest heading out to track. Seriously, with those numbers, high 13s is not gonna be very difficult with the right launch. Your trap speed should surpass any magazine times as well. That will end all the doubts. :)

Personally, I feel the dyno is either very generous, or the car is not 100% bone stock. Doesn't take much to make a Speed 3 run the dyno. EVen the smallest of mods can do it. :)

[knowledge007]

Its not bone stock thats the whole issue imo. He has the ETS TMIC.

[CTGrey02]

Its not bone stock thats the whole issue imo. He has the ETS TMIC.

Even still, I AM bone stock and my numbers were not far off from his. Go check in the dyno sheets area, I posted it there

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123678341

[knowledge007]

Thats cool, just tells me more so that I have atleast 300hp and tq.

[CTGrey02]

Yep, lol. The car probably made more than 320 Ftlbs stock at the motor. Definately an underrated vehicle.

[MS6S2K]

Thats cool, just tells me more so that I have atleast 300hp and tq.


Then get out there and run your 13s at 105+mph with the mods you have. Dyno is just a measurement and there are MAJOR discrepencies and variations depending on the dyno. You might only push 230whp on another dyno. What really matters is what you do at the track. I'd love to say that my Speed 6 has 250whp bone stock, but even if I ran that on a dyno, I'd stop and say, hmmm, this dyno is probably quite friendly. You should have no problem trapping well above magazine times if your car is bone stock, so that will verify the dyno result. IMO a dyno is useless without then taking it on the track and running it. Good Luck. :)

[knowledge007]

Then get out there and run your 13s at 105+mph with the mods you have. Dyno is just a measurement and there are MAJOR discrepencies and variations depending on the dyno. You might only push 230whp on another dyno. What really matters is what you do at the track. I'd love to say that my Speed 6 has 250whp bone stock, but even if I ran that on a dyno, I'd stop and say, hmmm, this dyno is probably quite friendly. You should have no problem trapping well above magazine times if your car is bone stock, so that will verify the dyno result. IMO a dyno is useless without then taking it on the track and running it. Good Luck. :)

I agree, but I don't want to go to the track until I complete a few more things. Like a few strut bars and a tuning solution. And maybe the upgraded tmic.

[tritonheat1]

With that much WHP and Torque, you should be able to run high 13s and trap at around 104-105mph. That should tell the tale of accuracy on that dyno. I wish my Speed 6 had those numbers. I guarantee it's not even close. Definitely 25 lower on each without question. You got yourself a freak of nature bone stock Speed 3 if that is accurate. I suggest heading out to track. Seriously, with those numbers, high 13s is not gonna be very difficult with the right launch. Your trap speed should surpass any magazine times as well. That will end all the doubts. :)

Personally, I feel the dyno is either very generous, or the car is not 100% bone stock. Doesn't take much to make a Speed 3 run the dyno. EVen the smallest of mods can do it. :)

2 be honest i think some car's are really factory freaks. I mean i'm using 91 octane and i ran my buddy's 01 LS1 SS with Intake, exhaust, Lid. And from a 15mph roll to about 75-80 he got me by about half car- 1car.

The sad thing is that i shifted 2nd and 3rd at 6500rpms not paying attention!! "Im Wondering if it could have been neck and neck shifting at 5800-6000rpms. Because it is a big difference, power drops big time (STOCK).

For instance there are 2 Stock MS6's that have hit mid 13's.

13.5@103.15mph
13.5@99.98mph

couple 13.6's-13.7's. But I think the MS6 is capable of breaking mid 13's stock. For the MS3 i have no doubt they are probably underrated and factory freaks.

that's just my opinion(yes)

[CTGrey02]

I agree, but I don't want to go to the track until I complete a few more things. Like a few strut bars and a tuning solution. And maybe the upgraded tmic.

Strut bar wont do a damned thing for you on the strip. Just go run it. If you never went to the track before even with the rest of the mods you have, your gonna be running 14's. It's 90% driver, 10% car. If I had the time I would be out there but I wanted a baseline before anything else touched the car.

[FRUCTOSE]

Yes this is ONE HUNDRED PERCENT STOCK!!! Except shifter bushings... I didn't even have the intake box off. I wanted to but forgot. The guy made me do a pull then one right after so I didn't get three trys. I will post the numbers mod for mod. He is very intrested in this car too. He said it may be a freak.. I hope so, but I get the intake in soon so we"ll see what that does.

I did go to the track once but this car being a top mount and all, by time I got to the start line it washeat soaked. Still had a 100mph trap but had a bad launch.

I'm gonna go to the track soon sense I have a good motor mount now and see what it can do.

[FRUCTOSE]

Its not bone stock thats the whole issue imo. He has the ETS TMIC.

I wish I had the ets tmic, but then again that would be a waste of money, because I'm getting a fmic.

[knowledge007]

I wish I had the ets tmic, but then again that would be a waste of money, because I'm getting a fmic.

Sorry about that, got threads mixed up...

[knowledge007]

Strut bar wont do a damned thing for you on the strip. Just go run it. If you never went to the track before even with the rest of the mods you have, your gonna be running 14's. It's 90% driver, 10% car. If I had the time I would be out there but I wanted a baseline before anything else touched the car.


I meant to say sway bars... But anyway, maybe, just maybe I will hit it up soon. There is so much I want to do to this car.

[SwampAss]

we're talking 1/4th mile track right? Swaybars only aid in body roll. They don't do much for rear end shock compression. That's what you want to avoid in a FWD car on the strip.

[knowledge007]

So that would be the what springs and coils and all the member and tower braces...???

[MS6S2K]

I believe the factory freak thing. There is always a discrepency in HP with high HP turbo cars. My 04 STI for example, was faster then my buddies 05. He swore I had the fastest bone stock STI he'd ever seen. He dyno'ed at 247whp, and I was pulling on him on the freeway. Some of them have pulled high 12s bone stock. Just one of those things. Some engines are tighter then others. Most likely thing is that the car is running higher then stock boost, and that's the tweak right there. :)

[SwampAss]

So that would be the what springs and coils and all the member and tower braces...???


You need to phrase your response in the form of a question /trebek

[knowledge007]

what? Is it or is it not? I have some money to spend and would like to get this all straight to make a good choice on where to begin on the suspension.

[SwampAss]

I was asking what type of track you were talking about. 1/4th mile or road?

[knowledge007]

Lets go with the 1/4.

[FRUCTOSE]

Going to the track tommarow, we'll see what the trap is at. If it doesn't rain.

[MS6S2K]

I agree, but I don't want to go to the track until I complete a few more things. Like a few strut bars and a tuning solution. And maybe the upgraded tmic.

You'll have no problem running a high trap speed, since you are officially modded. We all know this car responds well to even ths slightest of mods. What I wanna see is a 100% BONE STOCK, right of the dealership Speed 3 Trap at 105mph. Then the 253whp, 283 wheel torque will have validity. Even the slightest of mods make it irrelevant and inaccurate. :)

[bast525]

I got 250 whp and 281 ft lbs with just a CAI, I have a thread up with pics of the printout somewhere around here... too lazy to dig it up right now, but it's in the tuning section if I remember right.

Pretty amazed to see that bone stock... but that's definatley an MS3 dyno sheet. You can tell by the sharp drop right at 5700 rpm. Looks exactly like that on every legit MS3 dyno I've seen.

[FRUCTOSE]

Went to the track, today and got pretty good numbers for my first time launching a fwd. I tryed before but the motor mount issue forced me to back off, cuz of wheel hop. This was my 2nd run against my buddies srt-4. Almost the same trap speeds. It was a good trap for how hot it was today(amb temp 98/track temp really hott), and that track isn't so good, slightly up hill...lol

His srt-4 normaly traps around 103-105, so it was def hot out today. The 1st run he had he got a 102 trap, but then he was heat soaked for the rest of the day. His mods are agp wg, tbe, and intake w/out a good tune. He may have some other things but I'm not sure.

I know my trap was low but it felt like timing was getting pulled really bad do to heat soak. The car didn't feel near as fast as it normally is. I will go back as soon as this heat is gone.


From a roll we are really close, he is faster by a car from 40-120
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