Why running Mazda 6 and not MS3?

[dcomiskey]

Curious to know why Tri-Point is not fielding a bunch of Mazdaspeed 3s instead of the 6? Turbo motor = lots of power..nimble car.... (dance)

[Tom03es]

Probably because they have so much vested into the Tri Point 6's (money for building, development....) and they seem to have struck a winning combination so why change it? Just a guess though..........

[amp]

classification requirements perhaps of which turbocharged may not be allowed...

[Tom03es]

No, the Audis are running turbos and AWD.

[TX Speed 6]

Their engine has as much power as a speed 3 (its still the same engine, mazdas 2.3), and hatches are just not as stiff as a sedan/coupe. That would be my guess

[nicole@Tri-Point]

Curious to know why Tri-Point is not fielding a bunch of Mazdaspeed 3s instead of the 6? Turbo motor = lots of power..nimble car.... (dance)
When we started the Mazda6 program the MS3 was not out yet. Also, what we race is based on Mazda’s current marketing, they want us to race the 6. After all we are a factory sponsored team :)

[Perro del Sol]

The DISI engine is not approved by the SCCA, also, the 6 is aerodynamically superior to the 3. all of the turbos currently running in TC in the SWC, SRT-4 and the Audi A4 do not have direct injection.

[Donas64]

Cuz the mada 6 is a better looking car! :) (fight)

[dcomiskey]

When we started the Mazda6 program the MS3 was not out yet. Also, what we race is based on Mazda’s current marketing, they want us to race the 6. After all we are a factory sponsored team :)


Thanks, Nicole. You said it all: the sponsor decides what you run!(first)

[Perro del Sol]

Thanks, Nicole. You said it all: the sponsor decides what you run!(first)


And the SCCA, decides as well, which has more of a say than the manufacturers do.

[Roywhitep5]

why not rx8's? not enough power?

[nicole@Tri-Point]

And the SCCA, decides as well, which has more of a say than the manufacturers do.

Yes, SCCA makes the rules. But, since we are a Factory racing team they pick the car we drive within the rules...

[dcomiskey]

why not rx8's? not enough power?


You haven't been paying attention to the Rolex Sports Car Series?? There are two RX-8s that, earlier this year, were running over everyone. They've had a rough second half of the season, but they are VERY competitive. I'm drawing a blank on the team name, but they build track-prepped RX-8s and I think other Mazdas.

[Foolish]

Speedsource. They run two white RX-8's in the Rolex GT class, and a couple of yellow ones in the Koni Challenge series. I keep seeing people on here say that the Rolex ones are 3-rotor, but I can't find any evidence to back that up!

They were so strong early in the season, but they've had some crashes and other bad luck as the season went on and it doesn't look like they're really even in the fight anymore. :( I've also found it really funny to hear the commentators constantly saying that "where the Mazda's really shine is top-end speed." I keep thinking, "really? Top-end? Mazda? What?" ;)

[Perro del Sol]

Nicole, I am quite familiar with all of the Tri-point drivers and crew. We attend all of the events and spend a great deal of time with them at the races. In fact you can see our local clubs stickers on Jeff's car and we have a great relationship with Steve Sanders, John Doonan and Jim Jordan of Mazdaspeed Motorsports.

As far as the Speedsource RX-8's are 3 rotors, with a tubular chassis. What has been an issue in the 2nd half of the season has been the weight they have added to the car (competition adjustment), but David Haskell and Sylvain Tremblay have worked hard to overcome it.

The SCCA has done the same thing to the 6's in the SWC TC series @ back at Toronto. The 6 teams did not have a chance to event test with the additional weight to the front of the car, but @ Mid-Ohio the 6's hung tough and Jeff was 3rd at that event.

At Mosport, I am sure the guys will continue Mazda's dominace the series and lead them to the Manfacturer's and Drivers Championship!

[Rainman]

classification requirements perhaps of which turbocharged may not be allowed...

Turbos were allowed as of the year before last.

R

[Rainman]

Curious to know why Tri-Point is not fielding a bunch of Mazdaspeed 3s instead of the 6? Turbo motor = lots of power..nimble car.... (dance)

I asked this same question the year before with the MS6 once they started to allow turbo engines, but I never got a response. Seems to me that the MS6 would fair well against the Audi. As Nicole mentioned with bodystyle the MS6 would be the way to go were it not for the DISI engine. Now the MS3, which I suspect is even quicker on the track, would be very, very competitive overall but again the DISI excludes it. I hope that this rule will change as more cars adopt DISI technology. I would really be exciting to see the MS6 and the MS3 compete.

R

[spd_dvl]

Just curious what rims are you guys using for your car?

[nicole@Tri-Point]

RacingHart CP-035

[StuttersC]

The Speed Challenge Rules say:
2.7.2.3: Touring Car (TC):
The allowed body styles in this class are coupes, hatchbacks, wagons, or sedans. The cars permitted in TC are typically sold as “compact” cars, or “touring” cars. Eligible cars must have been manufactured with a certain amount of interior room and realistic seating for four (4) adults. The maximum naturally aspirated engine displacement is 2.8-liters, with a BHP range of approximately 250-300. Front-wheel, rear-wheel, and all-wheel drive configurations are permitted. Forced induction is only permitted on cars that
come equipped with forced induction stock. Launch/traction control and ABS is not permitted and the system(s) must be completely removed.


So, they don't use the Mazdaspeed6 for the same reason they don't use the Mazdaspeed3. Neither car was out when the Protege was discontinued, and the next logical step was for Mazda to use the 6 as the sedan of choice for racing.

[StuttersC]

Their engine has as much power as a speed 3 (its still the same engine, mazdas 2.3), and hatches are just not as stiff as a sedan/coupe. That would be my guess

The reason Mazda made the Mazdaspeed3 as a wagon was because the extra roof made the chassis a little more stiff.

[AllstarsCanada]

the tripoint sixes are sexxy.

[Burnsey]

So, they don't use the Mazdaspeed6 for the same reason they don't use the Mazdaspeed3. Neither car was out when the Protege was discontinued, and the next logical step was for Mazda to use the 6 as the sedan of choice for racing.

Howdy folk(es),

Had a chance to speak with Jeff Altenburg at Mosport last year, and asked his thoughts on the Speed6 vs. Speed3. He felt that the Speed6 would be too heavy (3600lbs street weight), but the Speed3 would be a better fit (3160lbs street weight).

I wonder what our friends have planned for the 2009 chassis? ;)

PS: The Tindol 6's gets top marks for looks IMO :D

EDIT: Perro_del_Sol: MARLON IS THAT YOU?!?! :D

[Perro del Sol]

Howdy folk(es),

Had a chance to speak with Jeff Altenburg at Mosport last year, and asked his thoughts on the Speed6 vs. Speed3. He felt that the Speed6 would be too heavy (3600lbs street weight), but the Speed3 would be a better fit (3160lbs street weight).

I wonder what our friends have planned for the 2009 chassis? ;)

PS: The Tindol 6's gets top marks for looks IMO :D

EDIT: Perro_del_Sol: MARLON IS THAT YOU?!?! :D

Yes Steve, its me!

[Dragon Queen]

Maybe because the MS3 sucks??? get with the program ...understeer and hatch FTL

[Tom03es]

If that's some kind of attempted rip on the FWD MS3- the Tri Point MS6s are also FWD. Understeer can easily be tuned out of any car with the proper alignment and suspension set up.

[kickniteasy]

Maybe because the MS3 sucks??? get with the program ...understeer and hatch FTL

are you serious? I mean, I can understand not being a fan of it for whatever reason, but saying the car sucks? I guess every major car magazine and automotive reviewer were wrong.....