Next daily driver? MSP or SRT-4

[Rotary_Powered]

First and foremost let me say that in my heart I'm a Mazda guy...But this car is would be a Daily Driver.

My current daily is a toyota which I may give to a sibling. great little car love the thing, but I want something a little more sporty. The FC is my weekend warrior and it's actually pretty reliable and fun to drive, but alas it's a two seater....

Anyways I'm starting to look towards my next daily driver, the criteria I looked at was 1) Fun to drive 2) practical 3)quick 4)affordable and 5) Might sub in for the FC on an AutoX/Track day.

I've found two cars above all others that meet this criteria.

1) The Mazdaspeed Protege
and
2) The Dodge Neon SRT-4

Similar and yet very different, both are 5 speed, FWD, Turbo inline 4s. Both represent the best in the sport compact market during their creation.

The MSP to this day has unparalleled handling for a FWD car, rivaling WRX's on pure grip, the chassis and suspension are near perfection, the handling is amazing for a FWD. Holds on to the Tarmac with .89 G of grip

The SRT-4 on the other hand is all about all out power. No other car in it's segment is as quick, only the MS3 comes close. The car is underrated so it's even more powerful than it sounds. Rips a 0-60 in about 5.4.

The MSP is quick but not as fast as the SRT-4, and the SRT-4 handles well but no where near as good as the MSP. I like the look of both cars about equally and know some of the issues that pop up in each. The SRT's tranny (3rd gear), and the MSP's LSD. Both are about the same price range as well.

I appreciate both for what they are. And I like AutoX and going to track days both cars have attributes that would be beneficial. I can't pick.... Power or Grip.

I've read countless reviews all lead to the same conclusion, I've even read a few threads here about a few members that own/have owned both and the conclusion is nearly always the same, both are GREAT cars.

Obviously this a Mazda board, but I was hoping for some non bias opinions (if possible) and words of wisdom from you guys.

[Akaveli]

Have you considered the MS3? But if its only bwt the MSP and the SRT-4, I'd go with the MSP as a daily driver.(wiggle)

[1sty]

You can fix the SRTs suspension easier then fixing the MSP engine or lack there of.

[Rotary_Powered]

The ONLY power mods I would do on the MSP would be:
1)Turbo back exhaust
2)Upgraded SMIC
3)CAI
4)Unichip
& Maybe
5)The 626 manifold.

I have not idea how much those mods would net me. I think the car is peppy I would just be trying to wake it up a little.

the SRT-4 would probably get
1)Springs
2)Sway bars
3)Lower arm bars
4)anti lift plates & such.

Power is more than enough here, but the suspension would have to be beefed up while retaining a little comfort (read as won't break my back).

Have you considered the MS3? But if its only bwt the MSP and the SRT-4, I'd go with the MSP as a daily driver.(wiggle)
Should've seen that coming...

Yes! I love that car! I want it sooo badly!!! But Alas the MS3 is out of my price range. Unless I wait about year before buying. Do you really think it's worth the wait? I mean the answer is obviously yes, but the MS3 is a little out of my budget :(

You can fix the SRTs suspension easier then fixing the MSP engine or lack there of.
True BUT the MSP is cheaper to start with...which would off set the cost of most of the mods. I mean all of them are bolt ons...

[theEZV]

both cars would be fun daily drivers.....i say go for the one that has the lowest price tag, whichever one

[Rotary_Powered]

both cars would be fun daily drivers.....i say go for the one that has the lowest price tag, whichever one
I CAN'T PICK! Both cars are AWESOME for what they are. (dunno) There are few cars at this level that come close...

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0301scc_mazda_protege/index.html

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0301scc_first_place_dodge_srt4/index.html

"Gathering performance data, it quickly became clear the SRT-4 was dominating the straight-line tests, and the Mazdaspeed Protegé was being equally relentless with the handling tests. To break the tie, we took to the mountains and let real-world speed decide the winner. As you have surely guessed, the SRT-4 was the faster of the two, but not by much. It took more than three miles for the SRT-4 to pull an appreciable gap on the Protegé. While not as solid and composed as the Protegé, the Neon still showed decent balance, good grip, strong, fade-free brakes, and of course, staggering pull between the corners. This is a lot of performance for $20,000."

"The Mazdaspeed Protegé gives up 73 hp and a 100 lb-ft of torque to the overendowed SRT-4, and yet it was surprisingly close to nudging the Dodge out of the top spot. The fact is, none of this car's test numbers, not even its winning handling numbers, do justice to the Protegé's true capabilities. This is an amazingly well-sorted car with surprisingly few compromises. We've heard more than one automotive engineer jealously question how Mazdaspeed managed to sneak such a low, tight suspension past the corporate ninny brigade. The only possible answer: Mazda's ninnies get it."

[Akaveli]

Yes! I love that car! I want it sooo badly!!! But Alas the MS3 is out of my price range. Unless I wait about year before buying. Do you really think it's worth the wait? I mean the answer is obviously yes, but the MS3 is a little out of my budget :(
...

well....with a few bolt ons the MSP can produce good numbers and overall it would be a better choice then the SRT4 as a daily driver.

[NCZ13]

every srt 4 ive ever heard sounds like poopoo

get a msp.

[orng1]

Having driven both cars I have to give it to the MSP. I get great gas milleage (average over 25mpg), I ususally have a few people with me, and it's definately fun to drive. THe SRT is a fun car to drive if you like doing big burn outs and don't like to turn. It's one of the worst handling cars I have driven.

[Rally Ninja]

Only knock I have about the SRT4 is, can you really live with the low rent rubbermaid garbage can feel of the interior for a daily driver?

If I had to do it over again..I would of gone integra type R. I would of saved 3G buying that over the MSP. Only drawback would be, it would get stolen or broken into every other week.

[fatti03msp]

i like the MSP alot, the SRT-4 does have the power though, but what never gets out of my head about the SRT-4 is the fact that its still a neon, plus i think the MSP looks way better.

My friend has an SRT-4 pushing 432 whp and a 11.33 1/4 mile time and im at 227whp and i still would rather have the MSP. But this all my opinion.

[Donas64]

This would be a hard choice for me too. The MSP is such such a well balanced machine with only its motor holding it from true greatness. Its got the looks, the handling, a nice interior for its price range. Its pretty solid.

I also love the way the SRT4 looks, I love the mean looking intercooler, the wheels, the suble aero package and I don't even car that its a Neon. I love its big power with more available very easily. However, I HATE its low rent interior with upgly plastics and manual rear windows and I hate that it looks like its sitting up so high. The handling is no where near as good as the MSP but as the article shows its good enough to make it faster in real world situations when combined with its power

But for the age I am now and where I am in life, I can have luxury later. If you can afford to do the same, go with the SRT 4

[Arok22]

I can understand your perdicament!! I too was in the same situation several months ago. I too did my homework to decide which car I would like to buy. I like the SRT4 power numbers etc. I like the wicked sweet handling of the MSP. There is only one thing I can't get out of my head about the SRT4 (well there are a couple others, but...) Dodge really overdid themselves when they put power windows up front and roll down windows in the back. What???? Why??? Save a couple pounds... Or is it that every Dodge I've been in has a broken window motor or door lock actuator. The Neon... is still a Neon and boosting the motor and slapping a SRT badge on it doesn't really do much for me. I always say I feel better knowing a little Japanese guy put my car together.
If you want reliability, go MSP especially for a daily driver (thumb). I drive 50 miles round trip to work and I'm always comfy!! If you want a pop can that is only good for about 60k, but super quick, go SRT4 (hand). You really have to decide as I did on what you really want.... Fast or Reliable... I went with reliable.
There is another guy on the forum that has a cool footer:
Cheap.... Fast .... Reliable ..... You can only choose two

[jred321]

You can fix the SRTs suspension easier then fixing the MSP engine or lack there of.
those are my thoughts on the situation as well

[livelyjay]

I would never buy a Dodge Neon. It could go Mach 3 and cost $3000.00 I would still never buy it. Case in point, my buddy had a 1.5 year old Neon and he wanted me to install a new car stereo in it. I pulled out the stock radio and was shocked to find out the car was rusting underneath the dashboard. Piece of crap car. The MSP was put together fairly well and will last a long time if you take care of it. I could never say that about a Neon. The SRT-4 in my eyes is just a really fast piece of shit car.

As for a daily driver, it depends on your budget. I would get the MSP over the SRT-4 any day of the week, but also as a daily driver, I probably wouldn't get either. The WRX has come to mind, only because of how well it responds to modification. The rear seat space sucks though and if you're bigger, good luck fitting in the seats. Time, garage/driveway space, and budget permitting you could get a really cheap daily driver like an older Corolla or Civic and use the rest of the MSP/SRT-4 budget and get a project car like a DSM, RX-7, 280Z, old 300Z, Camaro, Stang, 240SX, etc.

[gearhead]

MSP gets my vote, but I partial :)

I have a female friend that has the Stage 1 SRT-4, and whenever I drove it - I could never get comfortable. The driver position was just not intended for 6' 3" people even with the seat all the way back. In the MSP, I have to slide the seat up a bit to get comfortable. I have never owned a vehicle where I had to do that...

So that is more of a practical look at things. You have to drive, and drive hard at times, in a seat that needs to FIT YOU. I can't stand sliding all over the place when I'm autocrossing or driving down a twisty road. It's very annoying and can be dangerous if you think about it. The MSP seats and the Dodge seats are definitely above average, but the combination of seat adjustability and driver control layout of the MSP won me over. Something to chew on when you test drive :)

[kicknmazdaspd]

Well, each car will have it's own little things here and there that you won't like or will need to be replaced. But, looking at the daily driver perspective the msp gets better gas mileage as well as, better looking and more comfortable interior. Also you said you might auto cross it, well if it was me handling would get the vote of power any day.

[fatti03msp]

o ya keep this in mind the SRT-4 is a killer on your insurance rates, its like one of the most expensive cars.

[D-rock240]

Between a MSP and a SRT-4, I would say MSP hands down. Looks better inside and out IMO, comfortable ride and great handling.

[Donas64]

Well, each car will have it's own little things here and there that you won't like or will need to be replaced. But, looking at the daily driver perspective the msp gets better gas mileage as well as, better looking and more comfortable interior. Also you said you might auto cross it, well if it was me handling would get the vote of power any day.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/484/vehicles/454111967be8e/tn_xlarge_Front-Driver.jpg

I think the better looking thing is debatable! I think the MSP looks amazing but the Neon SRT4 has its charms. That intercooler, the subtle integrated hoodscoop, the ticked off looking headlights, the nice dual exhausts, heck I even like the stock wheels, did I mention that awesome looking intercooler? Its overall shape is a little on the round side but I think it adds up to more than the sum of its parts.

But interior wise ugh! Its not pretty. MSP wins that with a TKO!

[jred321]

the worst thing for me appearance-wise about the SRT4 is the hideous wing. swap that for an R/T wing or remove it all together and its looks are acceptable. interior-wise it has way better seats than the MSP as long as you don't get side airbags but it's not that far behind overall, they both scream econo car

[fr0st]

over here, it's not about handling.. no auto x, not much track weekends.. only a fewe.. alot more quarter mile and stop light street races.. and people in their 50's , mostly babyboomers showing there mid life crisis car, like mustangs and shit.. i'd like to give them a lesson and show them that not only v8's can win..

if i was to go back, i'd get the SRT4.. i dont need handling here, i need raw power and an engine that will hold up to it..

srt4 for me..


but in the real world.. where i live theres tons of snow in winter so my logical choice, even though not the best one, would be something AWD.. like a WRX

[Donas64]

the worst thing for me appearance-wise about the SRT4 is the hideous wing. swap that for an R/T wing or remove it all together and its looks are acceptable. interior-wise it has way better seats than the MSP as long as you don't get side airbags but it's not that far behind overall, they both scream econo car

Ditto o nthe wing thing. Notice I used a pic of a wingless one. looks better that way imho.

Also out in the real world where you hardly if ever push an MSP to its handling limits in day to day driving, the SRT4s nice lump or torque comes in very handy in merging with fast moving fraffic, leaving a stoplight so you can get over before lane ends, passing on the highway or country road where passing time is limited. That power is just a lot more useful day to day.

I will occasionally throw my P5 into a curve and just smile as it grips and goes, but I find myself cursing it anemic motor when I need to merge with fast moving traffic and I punch the throttle and...... NOTHING HAPPENS. Its at times like that I wish I had more power.

[nvmsp]

The interior sucks in the srt-4.........but the engine/transmission and the power makes up for it. And if it's got stock wheels, paint them black.

The MSP is gonna cost alot to make really fast and RELIABLE. Motor, Trans, Ems, and the list goes on and on.

[kicknmazdaspd]

http://media.motortopia.com/files/484/vehicles/454111967be8e/tn_xlarge_Front-Driver.jpg

I think the better looking thing is debatable! I think the MSP looks amazing but the Neon SRT4 has its charms. That intercooler, the subtle integrated hoodscoop, the ticked off looking headlights, the nice dual exhausts, heck I even like the stock wheels, did I mention that awesome looking intercooler? Its overall shape is a little on the round side but I think it adds up to more than the sum of its parts.

But interior wise ugh! Its not pretty. MSP wins that with a TKO!

When i said better looking I was referring to the interior. Read before you jump to conclusions. I do agree that SRT4's can look pretty sweet though.

[Donas64]

When i said better looking I was referring to the interior. Read before you jump to conclusions. I do agree that SRT4's can look pretty sweet though.


Maybe if the grammer and sentence structure of your post were just a little better, I would have been better able to understand its original intent. :)

In any case you're right about them looking pretty sweet though. (first)

[Rotary_Powered]

The ONLY power mods I would do on the MSP would be:
1)Turbo back exhaust
2)Upgraded SMIC
3)CAI
4)Unichip
& Maybe
5)The 626 manifold.

I have not idea how much those mods would net me. I think the car is peppy I would just be trying to wake it up a little..
anyone(glare)

[martyy2k]

Hi all, imo, the 2 cars are geared towards different markets in the tuning community.

The MSP is a daily driver with superbe handling and great interior not to mention great reliable engine and comfort. Basically what you can expect from a japanese car manufacturer.
Downsides-)
1-)Very little room for more power on stock components without using aftermarket parts. Not to mention the tranny that needs to be babied.
2-) thin paint! We all know that our stock paint jobs are thin and must be really cared for!
3-) radio stops to works due to a Kenwood design flaw
4-) Rear sub rack rattles
5-) front and rear bushings that need replacement every 8000miles approx...

As for the SRT-4, well i'm not very well acquainted with it but i know from driving a Neon in the past, it's still a Chrylser product and saddly they cut corners on the styling, interior and handling. It does offer good power and respectable handling, however i think that that alone would not sell me to buying one.

I love my MSP and i know what i need to do to get it to run very well and average 280hp- 300hp. I mean come on, what are you going to do with 400+hp on public roads??

So, i would rather have a great looking car inside and out, that handles great, has a very reliable engine and that has great fuel efficiency than have a powerful car that i cannot enjoy daily at WOT, a poor interior finish and a higher fuel consumption. Not to say the ramed up the A** rear end look.


Thats what i think and those are my daily needs: Daily driver with sporty look and sufficient power when needed.

I do respect those that own the SRT-4 as i hope they will respect me for owning a MSP. We all have one thing in common:

we love OUR CARS AND TUNING!!

Long live cars!

my 2 cents and opinon on the subject.

Enjoy the summer and drive safe!

[martyy2k]

anyone(glare)

I think that for around 2100$ you can have a CAI, Intercooler and exhaust.

But all depends on what you want to buy... there are many options to choose from!

I am going for the following mods, nothing to heavy, but for my own personal satisfaction and in starting order.

1-) Vibrant 3" exhaust
2-) Injen CAI
3-) Turbo timer
4-) Intercooler and hard pipes

Will stick to stock for boost until warranty is expired. I have the full 160000km warranty. Then will get rods and pistons + other stuff. I have Boost, AF ratio and oil pressure gauges already mounted on full A pillar mount.

that is what i am going to do.... depends on each person and buget!

[2.0t03speed]

if i could go and do it again i think i would still have gotten my msp. because really for me the interior is what i see all the time and the msp beats the srt-4 in that category hands down. yes the srt-4's power is nice but with my mods i can beat them =)

[1moreMPH]

The SRT-4 handles like piss, even dangerously at times -- especially at any sort of speed. They have the power, i'll give them that and it's nice. But remember, you're used to driving that rx7...bad handling is only going to amplify in your eyes since youre used to being 2 inches off the road with an awesome suspension.

With those mods you mentioned (TBE, SMIC, CAI, Unichip, and maybe manifold) you're looking at ~210hp/220tq at the wheels or more. If you boost 10 psi (which is totally safe at that level) i would say you're at ~230-240 at the wheels. Those mods will also lock the tempermental beast of the MSP away, and will only give you a very solid, consistently powerful, fun to drive, responsive handling god of asphalt. You will beat srt-4s with those mods at 10psi without difficulty.

All those mods will run you about let's see...
TBE 500, SMIC 500, cai 150, unichip 400 = 1550 plus whatever the manifold is, can't really beat that. add a few extra for gauges and plugs and what-not, but the reality is you'll have a faster, better handling, better running, better looking (imo) car for cheaper. and cheaper insurance -- more money into the FD :)

Also, neons are known to be poorly manufactured and have high insurance rates. MSP's interior is hot shit, and a great sound system already. I don't know why other people have problems...but my deck has never crapped out, and the sub never rattles (make sure you set the system for 8" sub and it will work proper, default setting is 12").

for me, looking at the mods, MSP wins by a long stretch and will leave the neon in the dust in every way possible.

[HighwayUFO]

Here is the way I look at it. SRT-4's are quick and everything, but Dodge really cookie cuttered the interior. Mazda did some serious market research and thus provides the MSP. Here is one question you might ask yourself.

Do you want a cookie cutter quick car that you see driving down the road every hour, or do you want that "exclusive" limited production future sleeper with some serious R&D. Even the articles said the MSP has no problem keeping up with the SRT-4. Hell, it wouldn't have a problem keeping up with a WRX with the right driver.

[SpcyOrngMSP]

buy my msp, its stock, and its sooo sooo spicy =P

[Mr. Win]

IS300 but if it has to be one of the two I'd get the SRT-4 even though the interior sucks.

[03.5-dc-speed]

HighwayUFO does not know what he is talkin about when he says the msp will keep with an srt-4! he is feeding you bullshit thats for sure! the srt-4 waxes the shit out of a msp! you could have mario andretti driving a msp and a retard drivin the srt-4 and the srt-4 would cream it!!

i personally think the srt-4 is a better choice but its all up to you, heck get the acr srt-4! they are rare and have way better suspension then the msp. but the acr version is only an 05 model and came in black or white so they are harder to find!

[kura808]

ooo lookey a comparo xD dont even bother looking at the ford focus part xP haha msp vs srt4

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/112_0306_compact_sport_sedan_comparison/mazda_mazdaspeed_protege.html

hmm the msp almost beat the srt4. i found it an interesting read haha. i like the sound of the msp though "world-class at-the-limit handling of the MazdaSpeed Protege" gotta admit that mazda makes some of the best handling cars hehe. i'd get a msp instead of my p5 if my parents didnt know what turbo was xP (they think i'd race it and stuffs ><)

[InFlames]

You can fix the SRTs suspension easier then fixing the MSP engine or lack there of.

agreed, I had an equal amount of handling vs power mods on my 03 and it was a blast to drive. It's all about tuning, although looks are subjective.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/viscous/s2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/viscous/s3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/viscous/engine3.jpg

As for interior, some mods help a bit ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/viscous/Picture060.jpg

[Donas64]

HighwayUFO does not know what he is talkin about when he says the msp will keep with an srt-4! he is feeding you bullshit thats for sure! the srt-4 waxes the shit out of a msp! you could have mario andretti driving a msp and a retard drivin the srt-4 and the srt-4 would cream it!!

i personally think the srt-4 is a better choice but its all up to you, heck get the acr srt-4! they are rare and have way better suspension then the msp. but the acr version is only an 05 model and came in black or white so they are harder to find!


I'm pretty sure Mario Andretti could outdrive someone with a mental defciency even if he was in a slower car. But I do agree with him (as has been argued thousands of times on this board) that the SRT-4 handles as badly as people on this forum say. I've never driven one at the limit but from the reviews I've read a statistics, it seems to be a decent handler. Not on the same level as the MSP but I don't think its afraid to take a corner especially in ACR trim.

[Donas64]

agreed, I had an equal amount of handling vs power mods on my 03 and it was a blast to drive. It's all about tuning, although looks are subjective.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/viscous/s2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/viscous/s3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/viscous/engine3.jpg

As for interior, some mods help a bit ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/viscous/Picture060.jpg

Everytime I see pics of your neon, I'm reminded why I like the SRT4. When done tastefully and right, I'd take one in a heartbeat.(first)

[Donas64]

This one belongs to an SRTForums member. I think those wheels really complement the car.

http://gallery.srtforums.com/photopost/data/500/Resize_of_1-29-07_DSC_5477.JPG

[1sty]

Haven driven both cars many times, the SRT/4 is not that far behind the MSP in handling. Maybe in a professionals hands it is but not in the majority of ours. The performance parts department at dodge has several upgraded suspension options to choose from that will make a significant difference. Mazda on the other hand has NOTHING for real power mods. They have the typicle noise maker exhuast and intakes which yeild virtualy no gains. Aftermarket is another animal all together but there is alot more reliability in aftermarket suspensions then in power mods, they are easier to install, and cost alot less.

If you want an affordable daily driver that you are willing to sacrifice power on demand for some economy and you are NOT going to try and get that power on you own, then the MSP is the way to go. A fun way toso long as you fix the "clunk"
If on the other hand you are not going to be happy until you have 250whp then the msp is not even close to a realistic option as it takes a mountian of cash to do that in an MSP reliably. After all reliability is the name of the game for a daily driver and having played the mod game with a protege for power, from experience I can say that you had better have two cars before even attempting it.

[Donas64]

Haven driven both cars many times, the SRT/4 is not that far behind the MSP in handling. Maybe in a professionals hands it is but not in the majority of ours. The performance parts department at dodge has several upgraded suspension options to choose from that will make a significant difference. Mazda on the other hand has NOTHING for real power mods. They have the typicle noise maker exhuast and intakes which yeild virtualy no gains. Aftermarket is another animal all together but there is alot more reliability in aftermarket suspensions then in power mods, they are easier to install, and cost alot less.

If you want an affordable daily driver that you are willing to sacrifice power on demand for some economy and you are NOT going to try and get that power on you own, then the MSP is the way to go. A fun way toso long as you fix the "clunk"
If on the other hand you are not going to be happy until you have 250whp then the msp is not even close to a realistic option as it takes a mountian of cash to do that in an MSP reliably. After all reliability is the name of the game for a daily driver and having played the mod game with a protege for power, from experience I can say that you had better have two cars before even attempting it.

(drinks) Excellent and truthful post!

[1moreMPH]

with the mods he has planned, he'll stomp an SRT-4 without difficulty, i can guarantee you that. Mario, retard, or whoever...the msp wins against a stock or lightly modded SRT-4 under those conditions at 10psi.

[livelyjay]

with the mods he has planned, he'll stomp an SRT-4 without difficulty, i can guarantee you that. Mario, retard, or whoever...the msp wins against a stock or lightly modded SRT-4 under those conditions at 10psi.
Not true. I saw a guy running an SRT-4 with Mopar stage 1 at out novice school. Besides how friggen fast the car was, the suspension setup was pretty remarkable. I ran a search on Google and the stage 1 setup put up some pretty impressive numbers. To get an MSP to run 10psi safely and efficiently, you're spending roughly $1200 (exhaust, hard pipes, IC upgrade, etc). That gets you to roughly 210whp.

Mopar stage 1 (http://www.mopar.com/srt_stage_1.htm) upgrade gets the SRT-4 up to 240whp for $400 MSRP, spend $450 on good tires (stock SRT-4 tires are piles of crap), and $300 on GC coilovers and you'll smoke an MSP and likely have something more reliable because the upgrade is made by Mopar and they know what they are doing. Hell, you probably wouldn't even need the Mopar upgrade to do it.

Even at that, I would still take the MSP over the SRT-4 for daily use. Better gas mileage, VERY rare car, cheaper insurance, better interior, etc.

[We Are Ninja]

...With those mods you mentioned (TBE, SMIC, CAI, Unichip, and maybe manifold) you're looking at ~210hp/220tq at the wheels or more. If you boost 10 psi (which is totally safe at that level) i would say you're at ~230-240 at the wheels. Those mods will also lock the tempermental beast of the MSP away, and will only give you a very solid, consistently powerful, fun to drive, responsive handling god of asphalt. You will beat srt-4s with those mods at 10psi without difficulty...

^ Truth. You get enough hp to stomp a stock SRT-4 and you keep the MSP handling. On the other hand, Dodge's Mopar "Stage" Upgrades are cheap, reliable, and warrantied and eat small children...

[-pixy-]

Both cars you are comparing would be perfect for what you need. In reality you need to go out and find this car. It may be difficult finding a decent, low mileage car, that has not been beaten. You should look at both cars, you are looking in the used car market and can't expect to find these cars easily. You should keep your option's open to find the best deal on either car.

Also concider insurance, call your insurance company and see what the rates would be on both cars, if one is significantly more, that could be a deal breaker.

[mr2 II]

corolla XRS 6spd (peep)

between the two, i would picked MSP

[Donas64]

corolla XRS 6spd (peep)

between the two, i would picked MSP

oh no you didn't! (blowup)

Another rolling breadbox! The corolla XRS would be perfect for my grandma. At least my P5 looks fast! :)

[1sty]

with the mods he has planned, he'll stomp an SRT-4 without difficulty, i can guarantee you that. Mario, retard, or whoever...the msp wins against a stock or lightly modded SRT-4 under those conditions at 10psi.
Stage 1 SRT4's with just an exhuast can run in the 12's. THere is a women up here that did it constantly. The MSP is not getting where near thos numbers realiably without well over $5K invested.

Everyone needs to keep in mind that simply getting a car to product more power does not make it reliable. That does the exact opposite. Remeber that the protege engine and platform was originaly designed for 120 crank ho. Over the years they got it upt to 140 and then boosted it to 170. NOTHING on the MSP was ment to hande 200 whp. Everything on and in the car including engine internal, tranny, clutch, limited slip, and the rest of the drive train can not sustain that abuse any where near as long as the SRT can or as well.
So to keep up with an srt/4 in the long run and be truely reliable you will need to replace or be ready to repair all of the above items.

Now on the other side, the SRT4 can have some suspension mods done that will not stress the rest of the car and will allow it to absolutely destroy an MSP on any track. That can be done for far less money. Even if an MSP comes close to the power of the SRT like stated by someone else, the stage 1 power kit for $500 will fix that problem too.

[Donas64]

The Neon SRT4 raised the game for sport compacts. Its already a legend in its own right. It just came out and PWNED everything in and even a lot of cars above its price range and took abuse like a champ.

Only and I mean ONLY its interior fit and finish and material quality holds it back from being the completely unstopable. It it had an interior of the same level of quality (for an econobox) as my P5, I would own one today.

[1moreMPH]

ok, enough of this mopar shit. Read his posts:
for the MSP he would get smic, tbe, unichip, mani, and intake.
for the Dodge he would only get a few small suspension bits.

that means, that yes indeed, the MSP WILL BE FASTAR. now, another SRT-4 next to him on the strip or at a light with a few mods or mopar stage whatever will probably get ahead of him, or at least stay right with him. But for the 2 cars that he's comparing, and the planned mods, the MSP will handle bettter and out-perform the neon.

[fr0st]

Stage 1 SRT4's with just an exhuast can run in the 12's. THere is a women up here that did it constantly. The MSP is not getting where near thos numbers realiably without well over $5K invested.

Everyone needs to keep in mind that simply getting a car to product more power does not make it reliable. That does the exact opposite. Remeber that the protege engine and platform was originaly designed for 120 crank ho. Over the years they got it upt to 140 and then boosted it to 170. NOTHING on the MSP was ment to hande 200 whp. Everything on and in the car including engine internal, tranny, clutch, limited slip, and the rest of the drive train can not sustain that abuse any where near as long as the SRT can or as well.
So to keep up with an srt/4 in the long run and be truely reliable you will need to replace or be ready to repair all of the above items.

Now on the other side, the SRT4 can have some suspension mods done that will not stress the rest of the car and will allow it to absolutely destroy an MSP on any track. That can be done for far less money. Even if an MSP comes close to the power of the SRT like stated by someone else, the stage 1 power kit for $500 will fix that problem too.


theres a guy over here with a stage2 and more, nearing 350 whp .. that thing can move like a mofo (shocked)

[1sty]

ok, enough of this mopar shit. Read his posts:
for the MSP he would get smic, tbe, unichip, mani, and intake.
for the Dodge he would only get a few small suspension bits.



Exactly, with those mods combo, on any track the SRT is the better car.
The MSP with that combo will not beat a stage 1 SRT/4 with a $1500 or so in suspension. Not going to happen. That combo will destroy the MSPs gas millage, make it alot less reliable and still not hit the SRT's numbers

[Donas64]

Exactly, with those mods combo, on any track the SRT is the better car.
The MSP with that combo will not beat a stage 1 SRT/4 with a $1500 or so in suspension. Not going to happen. That combo will destroy the MSPs gas millage, make it alot less reliable and still not hit the SRT's numbers

Bingo!

I mean I love the MSP myself but lets call a spade a spade people.

In the end it just comes down to personal choice. Both are great fun ways to get from point A to point B!

Just take your pick!

[Alejo_NIN]

i'm in this dilema too, and i've come to the comclusion the srt-4 is a better platform, engine-wise, than the MSP for what i expect out of them which is power.

yes, the new is just a neon with a turbo, but no matter how bad the taste on these car's interior is, it is still far better in HP numbers than the MSP.

I've spoken to Evo owners who despise the EVO because of it's interior, and believe me, it is 40K dollar car...so not every car is gonna be perfect for your taste, there's always gonna be something that you don't like.

For what is worth, i'm leaning towards the SRT-4, not just because of the power, but because parts are alot more mass produced than for the MSP.
Want it or not, we're stuck with the 3 vendors we have. when they notice that their stuff doesn't sell anymore, they'll move on, leaving us MSP owners in the dust. and they're actually already making parts for others cars and some have even gone broke.

Had i known the SRT-4, most likely i had gone that route, i own a MSP, so i try to make the best out of it....

on looks, well...need i say more?

[NoVa 2.0]

Honestly I love my Mazda and I've seen and ridden in the MSP's. But I myself almost came close to buying the SRT4 at one point. I think there great looking cars, sound good, and if built well will decimate.

I know you mentioned that its going to be a daily driver and if you do buy the SRT4 you don't plan on doing any big mods other than suspension.

I say test drive both, and go with your gut. Can't go wrong with 2 well made cars.

[Donas64]

The Evo is the poster boy for crappy interiors in a high priced car. But its such a talented and capable vehicle, that its owners don't care. Its interior is not much better than the SRT4s but it costs thousands more. Sometimes, its just about the power. (drive2)

[1sty]

to add to that list, the 350Z's interior is complete crap for a $38K car.
Compare thh dash of it and the neon and they are remarkably similar

[Alejo_NIN]

Sometimes, its just about the power. (drive2)

i'm buying a SRT-4 next week..

[Donas64]

i'm buying a SRT-4 next week..

Congrats you lucky dog! Make sure to post pics. Theres an orange one for sal about 10 mins from me. They are asking 17K for it. Don't know the mileage or year though.

[Donas64]

to add to that list, the 350Z's interior is complete crap for a $38K car.
Compare thh dash of it and the neon and they are remarkably similar

They made it a little nicer this year as will most of their product line. The
350Z's interior I'd describe more as focused. I love the dash guages, seats and layout especially that the guages pivot with the steering wheel. Still the plastics aren't the greatest quality.

Being truthful though, you buy a Z for that sweet sweet motor, RWD and stylish coupe looks. And if you shop around, you can get a base one (which is all I'd need anyway) for just about 30-32K OTD.

http://images.automotive.com/cob/factory_automotive/images/Features/auto_shows/2004_CIAS/2005_Nissan_350Z__interior.jpg

[Alejo_NIN]

dude, i wish i could buy one

i hate my car so much now

[HighwayUFO]

He is talking about lightly modded MSP to a STAGE 0 SRT-4. He is planning on no engine mods on the SRT-4, as least that is what he stated would be the case.

I have wasted a few SRT-4's both at the track and in the twisties. That is taking into consideration driver ability.

Bang for your buck, the MSP will be cheaper off the bat, as SRT-4's are still going for close to 20k in some areas. With the money saved, he could easily lightly modify the MSP to keep up with the straight line of the SRT-4. I'm sure his intentions with a DD are not to go overkill to have the fastest car around, but rather a fun car to drive around.

[nvmsp]

Both cars suck, Chevy Aveo is my dream car.

[djarkitek]

i dont think i could ever bring myself to buying a neon..turbo or not...now..the srt4 engine inside an msp body..that'd be nice

[orng1]

The title says daily driver so that's why I picked the MSP. Had he said drag car then I would have picked the SRT.

[Rotary_Powered]

I've done a little research guys, I don't mind traveling.

MSPs and SRT-4s in good condition are NOT hard to find a lot of nice local ones pop up. And a lot of great deals can be found within 500 miles of boston.

As for reliability, I'm not too concerned, like I said only light mods on the MSP, I'm afraid of the B map on unichip (so I'll stick to A :) lol). I'm not going to boost more than map A.
Both cars have little quirks 3rd gear on the neon and the LSD on the protege.

From what I've seen, the MSP would prob cost me roughly $12-14k and the SRT-4 about $14.5-17.5k from browsing autotrader (looking at cars with around or under 30,000 miles good condition).

And of course I would browse both forums for decent deals, when ready to buy.

I posted something similar on, a forum which I cannot mention...though I can say that is a club for rx7's of sort (hint, hint). And people were pretty split down the middle. As long as I can avoid the SRT-4>you mentality I'll be fine :P (can't be any meaner than some of the EVO, STi, and FD guys)

[Rotary_Powered]

ooo lookey a comparo xD dont even bother looking at the ford focus part xP haha msp vs srt4
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/112_0306_compact_sport_sedan_comparison/mazda_mazdaspeed_protege.html
hmm the msp almost beat the srt4. i found it an interesting read haha. i like the sound of the msp though "world-class at-the-limit handling of the MazdaSpeed Protege" gotta admit that mazda makes some of the best handling cars hehe. i'd get a msp instead of my p5 if my parents didnt know what turbo was xP (they think i'd race it and stuffs ><)
Good article similar to the SCC one.

[kura808]

its all up to u being that ur the buyer. either way, i think u'll be happy wit either of ur choices because these two cars are very good in their respected attributes plus they are rare so u'll be even more happy driving one around.

o yea ya should ask some of the srt owners on the forums too(they seemed pretty kool). i remember some came here so maybe u can get some unbiased answers being that we're a mazda forum and ur asking about a mazda xD

good luck on ur choice

[Arok22]

Edmonds:
2003 Mazda MAZDASPEED Protege Consumer Reviews
CONSUMER RATING: 9.3 Editors Most Wanted (mj)
PROs: Sports car handling, aggressive looks, incredible sound system.
CONs: Frustrating stereo controls, overdone rear spoiler

2003 Dodge Neon SRT-4 Consumer Reviews
CONSUMER RATING: 9.1 (no awards)
2004 Dodge Neon SRT-4 Consumer Reviews
CONSUMER RATING: 9.1
2005 Dodge Neon SRT-4 Consumer Reviews
CONSUMER RATING: 8.8 (no awards)
Editors Rating 7.6
Dynamics- 8.4
Comfort- 8.0
Function- 7.1
Design/Build Quality- 6.9

Pick your poison dude! (drunk)

[kura808]

msp FTW!!! xD what awards did the msp win? the srt has (no awards) next to the rating.


Edmonds:
2003 Mazda MAZDASPEED Protege Consumer Reviews
CONSUMER RATING: 9.3 Editors Most Wanted (mj)
PROs: Sports car handling, aggressive looks, incredible sound system.
CONs: Frustrating stereo controls, overdone rear spoiler

2003 Dodge Neon SRT-4 Consumer Reviews
CONSUMER RATING: 9.1 (no awards)
2004 Dodge Neon SRT-4 Consumer Reviews
CONSUMER RATING: 9.1
2005 Dodge Neon SRT-4 Consumer Reviews
CONSUMER RATING: 8.8 (no awards)
Editors Rating 7.6
Dynamics- 8.4
Comfort- 8.0
Function- 7.1
Design/Build Quality- 6.9

Pick your poison dude! (drunk)

[Arok22]

msp FTW!!! xD what awards did the msp win? the srt has (no awards) next to the rating.

2003 Edmunds Editors Most Wanted (first)

[Rotary_Powered]

:( I WANT the MSP! But at the same time for some reason I WANT the SRT-4! lol. I guess I just appreciate both cars for what they are and admire their best attributes.

[GoProtege]

I've driven both a msp and an srt-4. The neon drove like crap in my opinion. It had alot more power, but was NOT fun to drive. The MSP is ALWAYS a fun drive. And with a little work you can get the hp numbers up to a decent level that will be able to at least hang with an SRT4. My friend's MSP runnin I think 13psi raced my other friends SRT4. The neon one, but it was a decent race.


Obviously I think the MSP is better

[xgeoffx801]

I would never buy a Dodge Neon. It could go Mach 3 and cost $3000.00 I would still never buy it. Case in point, my buddy had a 1.5 year old Neon and he wanted me to install a new car stereo in it. I pulled out the stock radio and was shocked to find out the car was rusting underneath the dashboard. Piece of crap car. The MSP was put together fairly well and will last a long time if you take care of it. I could never say that about a Neon. The SRT-4 in my eyes is just a really fast piece of shit car.

As for a daily driver, it depends on your budget. I would get the MSP over the SRT-4 any day of the week, but also as a daily driver, I probably wouldn't get either. The WRX has come to mind, only because of how well it responds to modification. The rear seat space sucks though and if you're bigger, good luck fitting in the seats. Time, garage/driveway space, and budget permitting you could get a really cheap daily driver like an older Corolla or Civic and use the rest of the MSP/SRT-4 budget and get a project car like a DSM, RX-7, 280Z, old 300Z, Camaro, Stang, 240SX, etc.

dodge didnt just throw a turbo on there engine and slap a srt badge on it. that was mazda..... that motor was built for how it is. ours isnt. you can easily mod a srt 4 over a protege speed and have it be reliable. they're bad ass cars and fast as shit. but ive always been a mazda kid and always will be. so i have to say take the msp. or wait te yers and get the ms3. way better than the protege.

[xgeoffx801]

oh and its not just a neon park a srt 4 next to a regular neon and tell me they look the same. they look tuff as shit. but so do ours sooooooo..... but give credit where credit is do. dont say dodge doesnt know how to build a turbo look at the daytona. look at the dsm's come on.

[Smus]

Just buy a focus and wish you had both :)

[mr2 II]

If you want your friend to make fun of you for rolling in a neon then get SRT-4...(peep)

[Donas64]

If you want your friend to make fun of you for rolling in a neon then get SRT-4...(peep)

They won't be making fun of you when you leave then choking on your exhuat fumes. Plus if his friends are car enthusiasts like him, they'll probably think its a pretty cool ride. :)

[We Are Ninja]

msp FTW!!! xD what awards did the msp win? the srt has (no awards) next to the rating.

In the SRT-4's defense, It won SCC's Sport Compact Car of the Year award, and narrowly beat out the MSP for the 2003 (I think it was '03...) 8 Great rides under $30K...

[Rotary_Powered]

Yeah I posted that on page 1 or 2 I think! That was a heated battle that came right down to the end!

[Rotary_Powered]

Just noticed a fun fact the MSP might be a little more exclusive, there were 24,940 srt4s made, (assuming a third have crashed) there are plenty out there! How many MSPs were there again 4700? Oh snap only a 5th as many!

[khaosman]

Get an ITR :)

[We Are Ninja]

^ Then buy a beater to drive while the police are trying to recover it after it's stolen.

[Donas64]

^ Then buy a beater to drive while the police are trying to recover it after it's stolen.

by the time they find it, its been through the chop shop!

[Nuspd]

THe SRT is a fun car to drive if you like doing big burn outs and don't like to turn.

Well... it is american :rolleyes: lol

[Donas64]

Well... it is american :rolleyes: lol

So is the corvette Z06 :)