cobb accessport

[Mspeed3]

so when they say available summer 2007 do they mean spring 2008. I haven't heard anything about when it will be available. Any ms3's in utah that can ask the shop in person?

[SharkDiver]

Its suppose to be out sometime in the fall of 07.That is what I read about a month ago on there forums.I cant wait...

[Adammazda06]

I emailed Cobb a week or so ago and they had no new updates on release dates.

[PirateKitty]

its just a waiting game....
:(

[whitey4311]

Tell me what this actually does and what ball park cost is please. I hear chatter of these systems but dont actually know anything about it or how it works.

[clos561]

isnt it somethign that just allows you to tune the car..maybe thats y its called accessport? ive never seen or used anything to tune a cars engine so this is jsut a guess

[whitey4311]

I think I read that you can preprogram the ECU but always change it back to stock since it will copy the stock settings first.

I wonder if this would show up on a Dealer inspection at all or if the ability of changing it back clears everything and is back to stock settings?

[clos561]

they claim that it wont but thats a risk i dont want to take...i have more trust in a system like xede which just relays the signal from the ecu and changes it then sends its own to the engine...nothing is flashed or reflashed to stock

[Abaddon]

I think I read that you can preprogram the ECU but always change it back to stock since it will copy the stock settings first.

I wonder if this would show up on a Dealer inspection at all or if the ability of changing it back clears everything and is back to stock settings?



The ECU records "Run hours since last reflash".

They will check that value vs. the last service stop recorded on your VIN. If the Miles and Hours don't make sense.. they have a good indication that you have flashed the ECU.

Piggyback is undetectable in this manner.

I got this information from an engineer at Daimler-Chrysler that performs these checks in an attempt to void/validate warranties on vehicles.

[LENNY127]

I have a buddy that runs the accessport 1 on his wrx, I have seen it and played around with it it's great , you plug in , it uploads your stock settings and then you download whatever maps they have available for your vehicle.....it does store other fuel maps from a tune shop : say if you take it to a dyno and they test and tune, you can save those setting on it....from map to map it's like 20 seconds. When it becomes available I will be getting it...plus there is no wiring in, just plugs into the obd2.

[Nutari]

I have a buddy that runs the accessport 1 on his wrx, I have seen it and played around with it it's great , you plug in , it uploads your stock settings and then you download whatever maps they have available for your vehicle.....it does store other fuel maps from a tune shop : say if you take it to a dyno and they test and tune, you can save those setting on it....from map to map it's like 20 seconds. When it becomes available I will be getting it...plus there is no wiring in, just plugs into the obd2.

^^^read the post above yours.

[LENNY127]

read what? so it voids the warranty....I mean who are we kidding , who modifies their car with a realistic expectation of warranties. I put about 20-25k miles a year so by the time my car has reliability issues there wont be a warranty.
I think of it as "rolling the dice". It's kinda like if your computer recorded that you redline the engine every other day how is that any different. Warranties have a looooooooooong fine print.........sorry I just had to say that ....there are risks involved in everything we do to this car from mods to treatment...can't win em all.

[clos561]

i havent even put 9k on my car yet and its almost a year ive had it...i think the xede is best way to tune ur car and keep ur warranty...of course there are those that dont mind voiding it and do what they want but my concern is warranty since i have 5yr/75000 mile

[TheMAN]

Tell me what this actually does and what ball park cost is please. I hear chatter of these systems but dont actually know anything about it or how it works.
the subaru ones run $695

[TheMAN]

The ECU records "Run hours since last reflash".

They will check that value vs. the last service stop recorded on your VIN. If the Miles and Hours don't make sense.. they have a good indication that you have flashed the ECU.

Piggyback is undetectable in this manner.

I got this information from an engineer at Daimler-Chrysler that performs these checks in an attempt to void/validate warranties on vehicles.
no it doesn't... I've reflashed many different mazdas before including the sophisticated ones used in the CX-7 and I've also read the logs of the mazda scantool, it doesn't show shit other than the flash build

once cracked, it's very easy to hide data in other/unused parts of the ROM

[TheMAN]

read what? so it voids the warranty....I mean who are we kidding , who modifies their car with a realistic expectation of warranties. I put about 20-25k miles a year so by the time my car has reliability issues there wont be a warranty.
I think of it as "rolling the dice". It's kinda like if your computer recorded that you redline the engine every other day how is that any different. Warranties have a looooooooooong fine print.........sorry I just had to say that ....there are risks involved in everything we do to this car from mods to treatment...can't win em all.
yes it does but it's hard to prove it's there or the car has been chipped..... it's hard for even subaru techs to find out that the customer has installed an accessport before it's too late (there's this recall that calls for ECU replacement on certain subarus, and since accessports are married to a specific car, you have to unmarry it first before you can change the ECU)!

[SharkDiver]

Im pretty sure that cutting up your harnes wires to install your XEDE may void your warranty.

[Abaddon]

no it doesn't...



Well, I did say that the guy I talked to was a rep for Chrysler. If the Mazda ECU doesn't record run hours.. then the COBB accessport sounds like an awesome investment.

[LENNY127]

the thing I wonder about is do you guys think that they will go 100% power on all gears when they release the accessport or just up the fuel and boost relative to what the levels are at already?

[LENNY127]

in other words if 1st and 2nd are limited will they raise the boost to say 18psi in all gears or maybe 14 in 1st and second and 18 in the rest.

[TheMAN]

it does it on subarus so I'll have to assume it'll be doing the same on the ms3

[shark77]

Drive a stock WRX then drive a COBB stage 2 WRX (TBE and Accessport). You will be sold on it.

Granted the WRX and the MS3 are not the same car, but the R&D put into Cobb's parts are top notch.

Most of their tuning solutions have substantially improved the power band of cars. Since they have control over the everything the ECU controls on the MS3, including the throttle plate, hopefully a substantial improvement will be extending the powerband to make use of that 6700rpm redline.

Cobb has been running their maps on their MS3 since mid spring. I would dare say that the amount of data collection, analyzing, and tuning on this motor by Cobb is only outdone by Mazda itself.

Not knocking the good work of other tuners out there, but if you are undertaking the cracking of an ECU, one has to appreciate the hard work that goes into such a process.

[94jedi]

I'm getting tired of waiting but at least this gives me time to save up some cash. I think an MS CAI and the Cobb AP will hold me over just fine for a while. Then maybe the ETS TMIC and just maybe, a downpipe or something to get a few more ponies out of the exhaust. I'm just hoping the Cobb AP doesn't leave any traces of itself so I don't void my warranty. Everything else is easily swapped back to stock.

[shark77]

Looks like the Cobb should be releasing parts soon. Sway bars are being powder coated, and they are just waiting on some silicone peices to come in for their intake (~3 weeks). They are releasing the short-ram part first, and then later the cold air box that works with it.

Also, springs should be availible by late August/early September.

[94jedi]

Looks like the Cobb should be releasing parts soon. Sway bars are being powder coated, and they are just waiting on some silicone peices to come in for their intake (~3 weeks). They are releasing the short-ram part first, and then later the cold air box that works with it.

Also, springs should be availible by late August/early September.

I just want the AP for now. engine management is the key to unlocking the cars potential.

[SSMS3]

Sounds like AP will not allow us to self tune? Or it will with an add on?

[voiceKoil]

I dont think it will come down to the fact if they can check the ecu for a flash date and mileage, I think it will come down to it looking like it was tampered with. There was a speed6 with a blown engine at my dealer when my car was getting peiced together, to me it was obvious he was boosting and leaned out, He didnt have anything on the car, but to them they were looking for any scuff marks or scratches on anything that could have been switched out and trying to build up a story from that. It was such shit but they told me they voided his warranty, so a word to the wise anything thats going to be switched out, MAKE SURE it dosent look like youve been playing with it, especially the ecu harness, dont scratch it up or break any clips because that will be their first indication...

On the other hand Im all for it!!! :D

[sierra248]

After rereading this, i wanted to state that I don't work for cobb or anything, I just know how well they do with the wrx's and am excited to see what they can do for this car. We do have to appreciate the work that goes into these things and the limited number of cars Mazda made.

I've been reading up on Cobb for a long time in the subby forums. They are very well liked and are known for offering very good but safe gains from there "Stage" packages. I know people that use there stuff too, so its not just stuff I've read. I know as soon as its available I'll be looking seriously into the Access Port. One of the cool things they usually offer is a Stage 1 package, which is just an ECU tune, no other mods. With this package and what the speed3 seems to be making on the dyno and the fact that they may be able to eliminate the loss of power not only in 1st and 2nd gears but also help move the powerband up to the redline (or at least closer) makes it very interesting. I'm not looking for a 12 sec car or anything but look at what they get on a 2.5 WRX with no other mods(From there Website):

"This is where to start your quest for additional power and response from the WRX. Included is the highly regarded AccessPORT which is used to reprogram the factory engine computer, unlocking an additional 33 HP (power) and 43 lb-ft (torque) from a WRX and increases boost to approximately 14.7psi.

Requires no tools or mechanical knowledge to install. The AccessPORT does all the work of programming the factory ECU for you, just simply plug it into the factory service diagnosis port located below the steering wheel. Follow the on-screen instructions and within 10 minutes you'll be out driving, enjoying your new found performance."

The Subbys always seem to keep the Stock Airbox until above 300 whp i think, but it seems that the MS CAI has already proven to make power, and I know Cobb is working on an Intake also, so im sure the CAI you guys already have will work fine with stage 1. I'm actually completely holding off on mods until cobb comes out with the access port. Want to see what they have to say about CAI's and such. This car is fast, but wow imagine no loss in the first gears(I have no idea if this is physically or electronically possible for Cobb with just the ECU) and about 30 WHP and 40 lb ft trq more....can anyone say "Tires" and "I wish our Rims were 18x8..LOL"

Oh yeah, what this post was about..lol With Stage 1, theres no visual clue to the "Chip" for Mazda to complain about. You can even revert back to stock.
Tom

[whitey4311]

Yes but as mentioned going back to stock means that they can see how long it has been since a reflash and its obvious if they didnt do it then who did when the run times dont match up from the time they did it last.

[shark77]

Yes but as mentioned going back to stock means that they can see how long it has been since a reflash and its obvious if they didnt do it then who did when the run times dont match up from the time they did it last.

#1 I doubt anyone is checking run times when flashing a car.

#2 I think that tampering with the ecu harness is going to raise more eye brows than a reflash will.

#3 This is assuming you blow something up. I think with Cobb, your chances are much less, rather than piggybacking.

[LazerBlueP5]

+1 for Cobb. My STi was a different car even at Stage 1 (accessport only), once I went stage2...look out! (shocked)

Totally wakes the car up! You won't be dissapointed. It's the best bang for buck upgrade you can do for the MS3...well, once it's available that is.

[Nburvi1]

cant wait for cobb to come out, my friends got a 04 WRX stage 2 , and it is just amazing compared to stock.

[dkswim]

the subbies that have this all swear by it i cant wait to get mine and see what all the fuss is about. so much less intrucive then cuting and splicing electricle wires. great safe performance and have multiple maps you can switch from on the fly. whats not to like.

[civic si hb]

the subbies that have this all swear by it i cant wait to get mine and see what all the fuss is about. so much less intrucive then cuting and splicing electricle wires. great safe performance and have multiple maps you can switch from on the fly. whats not to like.


Cobb does have different stages for different mods on your car but they are safe tunes and i personally have no problem with that and kinda like not pushing the car to that extent. Other people would rather have their own sperate tune that gets done on a dyno. They would squeez some more HP from that. It really comes down to what your really want and like. Me I personally can't wait to see what cobb come up with for the MS3

[ZooZoom]

Speed3 owner now. '05 Subaru Legacy GT owner before that. Purchased the Cobb AccessPort within 2 months of buying my LGT. Beyond a doubt, zero hesitation....the absolute best mod purchase that I made. And that's coming from a guy that spent nearly $20 Large on so many mods its rediculous (built motor, two different bigger turbos, ACT clutch/fly, BBKs, two different FMIC setups, etc etc.).

The AccessPort is so extremely easy to use. Plug it into the OBDII port, turn the ignition key to ON, and upload a new map to the ECU. Done! Take about 10 minutes if you move slowly. :)

The flexibility of the AP is simply amazing. It starts with the "canned maps" that Cobb will make available. Typically its a Stage 1 map (for completely stock setup) and Stage 2 map (usually requires a Downpipe). Further, Cobb provides different Stg 1 & Stg 2 base maps for the various grades of octane fuel available around the country. Namely 91 oct for suckers like me who live in CA. And 93 oct for lucky folks living in states with zippier gasoline. The difference between the two grades of fuel can be around 10-15 hp.

Once you own the AP, the skies the limit from there on. There are many qualified, certified Cobb "ProTuners" that use a special version of software similar to StreetTuner sold by Cobb. You pay around $350-$400 bucks for a ProTune. This allows for a customized, optimized ECU tune specific to your vehicle's mods. Maybe you have a CAI. More open exhaust. FMIC whatever. Getting a ProTune is always the best bet unless you stick with no mods (Stage 1) or few mods (Stage 2).

As I mentioned, Cobb also makes "StreetTuner" software available for those brave folks wanting to do their own road tunes. Personally, I know that I'm not qualified to try it.

The best part is all my advocacy of the AccessPort comes from my experience with the older Version 1 AP. The new AP v.2 is so much more sophisticated. It provides a wealth of more information, allows for real-time changes between ECU maps, acts like a digital gauge display for everything the ECU monitors.

I don't care if its calendar 2008 before the AccessPort comes out. I am patiently waiting for what I already know is perfect.



NOW HURRY UP COBB GUYS!!!!!!!! (burnout)

[civic si hb]

Speed3 owner now. '05 Subaru Legacy GT owner before that. Purchased the Cobb AccessPort within 2 months of buying my LGT. Beyond a doubt, zero hesitation....the absolute best mod purchase that I made. And that's coming from a guy that spent nearly $20 Large on so many mods its rediculous (built motor, two different bigger turbos, ACT clutch/fly, BBKs, two different FMIC setups, etc etc.).

The AccessPort is so extremely easy to use. Plug it into the OBDII port, turn the ignition key to ON, and upload a new map to the ECU. Done! Take about 10 minutes if you move slowly. :)

The flexibility of the AP is simply amazing. It starts with the "canned maps" that Cobb will make available. Typically its a Stage 1 map (for completely stock setup) and Stage 2 map (usually requires a Downpipe). Further, Cobb provides different Stg 1 & Stg 2 base maps for the various grades of octane fuel available around the country. Namely 91 oct for suckers like me who live in CA. And 93 oct for lucky folks living in states with zippier gasoline. The difference between the two grades of fuel can be around 10-15 hp.

Once you own the AP, the skies the limit from there on. There are many qualified, certified Cobb "ProTuners" that use a special version of software similar to StreetTuner sold by Cobb. You pay around $350-$400 bucks for a ProTune. This allows for a customized, optimized ECU tune specific to your vehicle's mods. Maybe you have a CAI. More open exhaust. FMIC whatever. Getting a ProTune is always the best bet unless you stick with no mods (Stage 1) or few mods (Stage 2).

As I mentioned, Cobb also makes "StreetTuner" software available for those brave folks wanting to do their own road tunes. Personally, I know that I'm not qualified to try it.

The best part is all my advocacy of the AccessPort comes from my experience with the older Version 1 AP. The new AP v.2 is so much more sophisticated. It provides a wealth of more information, allows for real-time changes between ECU maps, acts like a digital gauge display for everything the ECU monitors.

I don't care if its calendar 2008 before the AccessPort comes out. I am patiently waiting for what I already know is perfect.



NOW HURRY UP COBB GUYS!!!!!!!! (burnout)



Very well said and I CAN'T WAIT EITHER!!!