Turbo Back Exhaust Packages - $950

[Captain KRM P5]

ProtegeGarage Turbo Back Exhaust Packages - $950

We're pleased to offer the Mazdaspeed3 community two options for true 3 inch turboback exhaust setups for their vehicles. At $950, there is no setup that comes close to this deal anywhere.

Package 1
Corksport Downpipe + ProtegeGarage Test Pipe + Corksport 3inch Exhaust

Package 2
Corksport Downpipe + Vibrant 3inch Exhaust System

Package 1 is a true restrictionless exhaust setup, with resonator and muffler in-line on the catback section. Package 2 provides a high flow cat courtesy of Vibrant as well as a muffler/resonator combo from Vibrant with thier trademark sound and quality. All components are stainless steel and high quality with proven fitment and lifetime warranties.

PM me or post here with interest or questions.

[uncletime]

wow! thats a great deal... you guys just keep on tempting me to put myself into more debt .. cudos

[itzl0l]

have a fix for the CEL yet?

[Captain KRM P5]

have a fix for the CEL yet?

we've had one since day one

[ill_eagle94]

we've had one since day one

Non fouler?

Is your test pipe 3" ID or OD?
Any chance you'll make one a bit larger?
Say 3.15" (80mm)?
Is there a plug to fill the WBO2 hole, so we do not need to use it later, but still have it there?

[Captain KRM P5]

Non fouler?

Is your test pipe 3" ID or OD?
Any chance you'll make one a bit larger?
Say 3.15" (80mm)?
Is there a plug to fill the WBO2 hole, so we do not need to use it later, but still have it there?

yes the nonfouler or extension method works well. it is 3inch ID. there is little reason to make anything larger honestly, the demand and added function are both minimal. we can plug the wbo2 port if people do not intend to use it from day 1.

[ill_eagle94]

yes the nonfouler or extension method works well. it is 3inch ID. there is little reason to make anything larger honestly, the demand and added function are both minimal. we can plug the wbo2 port if people do not intend to use it from day 1.

Thanks for the fast response. I only asked about a slightly larger one because it would match the Corksport catback well. But, as you said, and I agree, there would be a minimal (if any) gain.

[tru-boost]

(boom05)
ooohhhhh i like #2 !!!
that is friggn sweet !!

[civic si hb]

we can plug the wbo2 port if people do not intend to use it from day 1.



What if you intend to use it down the road but no right after install? Would it be able to be unplugged easily?

[terbow]

its just a short bolt that unscrews. u can take it out at any time.

[civic si hb]

its just a short bolt that unscrews. u can take it out at any time.



Gotch ya

Thanks

[Captain KRM P5]

yes it will be a 18mm bolt that blocks it off basically

[MadOzodi]

Now all we need is a "Package 3"...DP + high flow cat + capped WBO2 bung.

:D

I really wish I'd had the time to visit the shop when I was up in Chi a few weeks ago for the Police concert.

[ZooZoom]

looks like the Vibrant catback has a donut-type flange connection meant for the stock DP. but the Cork DP has a flat gasket flange. what type of gasket is supposed to work between them? seems like a good leak path.

I suppose the Vibrant exhaust runs further "up" then the CS, correct? meaning it doesn't need a mid-pipe or race pipe to connect to the DP?


and can you elaborate a bit more on the total number of O2 bungs? how many does the whole MS3 stock exhaust system have? why can you plug one and still make the ECU happy? I mean, doesn't it need all the sensors to provide a proper return signal to function?

very interested in getting the Option 2 package to preserve some smog (smoke) suppression.

[Captain KRM P5]

looks like the Vibrant catback has a donut-type flange connection meant for the stock DP. but the Cork DP has a flat gasket flange. what type of gasket is supposed to work between them? seems like a good leak path.

I suppose the Vibrant exhaust runs further "up" then the CS, correct? meaning it doesn't need a mid-pipe or race pipe to connect to the DP?


and can you elaborate a bit more on the total number of O2 bungs? how many does the whole MS3 stock exhaust system have? why can you plug one and still make the ECU happy? I mean, doesn't it need all the sensors to provide a proper return signal to function?

very interested in getting the Option 2 package to preserve some smog (smoke) suppression.

i'll get some pictures of the CS dp flange to clarify.

with the test pipe, the total number of o2 bungs comes to three - one for the primary sensor, one for the secondary sensor, one for a wideband of your own choosing.

[ZooZoom]

thanks. not to beat a dead horse, but can you elaborate more on the O2 sensor "fix"? is any extra hardware needed? does either package come with everything to do the install including all necessary gaskets and this "fix"?

[Captain KRM P5]

thanks. not to beat a dead horse, but can you elaborate more on the O2 sensor "fix"? is any extra hardware needed? does either package come with everything to do the install including all necessary gaskets and this "fix"?

the fix comes with the corksport downpipe so both packages will come with the CEL fix. it is in practice a physical extension for the emissions o2 sensor to prevent it from seeing the catalytic converter not being there.

[ZooZoom]

cool.

love to see any pics of the full install of both packages. especially #2

some sound clips of both setups would be super sweet! especially #2

[Haltech]

Ken,i see you have the test pipes in stock! Order placed! Will i see this by friday perhaps? Thanks dude.

[tru-boost]

looks like the Vibrant catback has a donut-type flange connection meant for the stock DP. but the Cork DP has a flat gasket flange. what type of gasket is supposed to work between them? seems like a good leak path.

I suppose the Vibrant exhaust runs further "up" then the CS, correct? meaning it doesn't need a mid-pipe or race pipe to connect to the DP?


and can you elaborate a bit more on the total number of O2 bungs? how many does the whole MS3 stock exhaust system have? why can you plug one and still make the ECU happy? I mean, doesn't it need all the sensors to provide a proper return signal to function?

very interested in getting the Option 2 package to preserve some smog (smoke) suppression.
it cant be a flat flange if it bolts up to the stock mid pipe.
i've necer seen it but if it is meant to bolt up to the second cat, and the vibrant is meant to bolt to the DP it should all fit right up .

Ken should give me a package #2 just to make sure !(yes) (yes) (yes)

[funkyman]

OK what is the whp and torque gain on the
1.) down pipe and exhaust individually
2.)Combined estimated whp gain
3.)Group by price for 10 systems+
4.)Which package adss more horses

[Captain KRM P5]

1/2) realistically i think you'll see 20whp from each part alone, give or take. theres alot of dyno variation involved. combined, 35 to 40whp. i know some companies claim that thier test pipe or downpipes give alot more on thier own, i feel thats dishonest and unrealistic. from a full turboback exhaust i would say 40whp is reasonable to expect.
3) you think its possible to get 10 people for this? i'll take another 5% off if we can get even 5 people
4) the corksport package (test pipe, down pipe, cat back) will probably give you slightly more power.

[07speed3]

cool.

love to see any pics of the full install of both packages. especially #2

some sound clips of both setups would be super sweet! especially #2

x2

[krnage]

if i didnt have the corksport cat back id be on this as well! but i only need the test pipe and downpipe
captain: another pm your way - disregard all my many previous ones haha

[Captain KRM P5]

how do you like the catback thus far

[krnage]

i love it!! such a sweet sound to it, at cruising speeds its like youve got the stocker on and thats on the freeway as well, until you give it some and then it wakes up

one thing to note for the Australia market: On our MPS3's we have a smaller rear bumper compared to the MS3's but im use to it now and it looks good!
i now want the test pipe!!! so thats the pm thats coming to you.

[funkyman]

Does the catback get rid of both CATS,will ther be any install problems or is it basic installation with the o2 sensors etc.
Any welding to be done?

[Captain KRM P5]

a catback alone will never get rid of any cats. the option with the vibrant system retains a high flow performance cat. no welding of any kind is to be done with either setup.

[krnage]

on the corksport cat back, the 2nd cat remains, no welding and it bolts up fine

[funkyman]

OK for package #1 I`m in on it 799USD for 10 buyers+
Anyone else? come on it will be a mega good deal.(eekdance)

[03.5MSP]

BUMP, for Ken and all the guys at PG. Great products and awesome service.(first)

[Captain KRM P5]

i dont think i can go THAT low, even with ten buyers. if i see ten buyers i will be amazed.

[funkyman]

Well you know my credit card is ready soon as these folks in here decide they want 40-50 horses for 800usd which i think is a steel.
Captain im a little bit confused though are you sure no additional ECU tuning will be needed,also
2.) If the Corksport 3inch Exhaust does not remove the second cat and cats restrict power how can system #1 give more power than system No 2 then?

Basically with system one,with no tuning what soever can i have 315hp at the crank then?

[whitey4311]

Seriously this would add 40hp?

And for the age old question on warranty shit will it throw any CEL's? I cant ever imagine an exhaust messing with any thing that should need to be under warranty but thought I would check. It says on the web site it has a "check engine light eilminator" what is that?

Also what about smog legal will it pass?

Count me in for one of the 10 if we can get a price like that. SOmething about the 800's sounds better then 900's, lol.

[ZooZoom]

let's do an interest list to see if we can get 10 people....for maybe 10% off??? (upbum)

1. ZooZoom

[funkyman]

10x799usd shipped:-)(eekdance)

1. ZooZoom[/QUOTE]
2. Funkyman(bump)(bump)

[funkyman]

Seriously this would add 40hp?

And for the age old question on warranty shit will it throw any CEL's? I cant ever imagine an exhaust messing with any thing that should need to be under warranty but thought I would check. It says on the web site it has a "check engine light eilminator" what is that?

Also what about smog legal will it pass?

Count me in for one of the 10 if we can get a price like that. SOmething about the 800's sounds better then 900's, lol.


Well it would add more than 40hp at crank yes and thats enough power to take on STI or M3 any day and if we buy the 3.5"FMIC to match it thats another10-15lbs torque on top of the 300lbs torque with this exhaust pipe kit(beer)(spin).With FMIC we are talking 330hp at crank.

So basically for 30000USD you`ll have a car with a solid 330hp@crank and the looks to match it,better looking than the upcoming Subaru 2008 STI or EVO XI and more powerfull hehehehe

Also with a FWD handling on dry surface is pretty much even with a AWD.

[udontknowjack]

Also with a FWD handling on dry surface is pretty much even with a AWD.[/QUOTE]

r u kidding me....theres no way fwd can put down all those hp to the road as good as the awd....dry or wet surface....sti/evo is 2-3 sec faster all season in my SFR autox....its almost impossible to catch them....

[eddienyny]

I don't think HP gains are additive with multiple parts. In fact, we probably won't see anything significantly above 300 without replacing the stock turbocharger. There's only so much induction it can handle.

[eddienyny]

Encore to that!

1. ZooZoom
2. Funkyman
3. EddieNYNY (bump)

[whitey4311]

4. whitey4311

I still want to know about CEL's and warranty BS if any. My thoughts on exhaust are that its post engine/turbo so I dont know what it could possibly void. COuld adding more HP screw with the engine? Its not like we are adding boost so I figure it to be safe.

[whitey4311]

Also with a FWD handling on dry surface is pretty much even with a AWD.

r u kidding me....theres no way fwd can put down all those hp to the road as good as the awd....dry or wet surface....sti/evo is 2-3 sec faster all season in my SFR autox....its almost impossible to catch them....[/QUOTE]

Just had this argument with my Evo friend and yes they do handle better and get better 0-60 but for the difference vs cost if you arent on a track often its a poor choice to me. I like the power that they claim but after us screwing around with rolling and dig races his Evo wasnt looking so bad ass and all I have is a CAI.

[ill_eagle94]

OK for package #1 I`m in on it 799USD for 10 buyers+
Anyone else? come on it will be a mega good deal.(eekdance)

I'll do it.

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2. Funkyman
3. EddieNYNY
4. whitey4311
5: ill_eagle94

[Captain KRM P5]

I don't think HP gains are additive with multiple parts. In fact, we probably won't see anything significantly above 300 without replacing the stock turbocharger. There's only so much induction it can handle.

you are correct, horsepower gains are cumulative, not 1+1+1 et al


Well you know my credit card is ready soon as these folks in here decide they want 40-50 horses for 800usd which i think is a steel.
Captain im a little bit confused though are you sure no additional ECU tuning will be needed,also
2.) If the Corksport 3inch Exhaust does not remove the second cat and cats restrict power how can system #1 give more power than system No 2 then?

Basically with system one,with no tuning what soever can i have 315hp at the crank then?

why would there need to be any "ecu tuning" for an exhaust system to work? i am curious what is leading you to that conclusions, thats all.

the corksport catback alone will not remove a cat. thats what the test pipe and down pipe do as part of that package. the package with the vibrant system has a high flow cat built into it though.

[funkyman]

A cars ability to track faster is not related to it being 4wd at all,yes it helps but many rear wheel and fwd cars are faster around the dry track.Examples are in the link below.Top gear yet have not tested the MPS around the track but when they do we will see what the 260hp can do and assuming we have 300hp+ we can add a second or more:-)

http://www.topgear.com/content/tgonbbc2/laptimes/thestig/

Come on we got 5 people already.

[MadOzodi]

Christ, stop tempting me with the exhaust packages! Aaaaaah, hehe. I'm tryin to hold out for ECU management! *sigh*

[funkyman]

Captain just a question if we just swop the stock turbo with a garret GT30 GT3071R will that help or will we need minor tuning.What i mean can you just dial a higher boost and let the stock ECU do the rest.

[ZooZoom]

^^^^^^^
no way jose.

to gain the hp from a turbo swap, all the ECU tables need to be reset (timing, fueling, trim) and typically it requires bigger injectors (and that means new feed rates or pulse curves) and most likely a fuel pump.

and since its Direct Injection.....who knows about all that stuff? where do you get a higher flowing, high-pressure (mechanical) fuel pump?

I realize that APS offers "bolt-on" GT30 turbo kits, but who's actually done it? and what about the larger intake that APS says is required? that means a bigger MAF sensor tube - in other words - different AFR tables in the ECU.

no way you can bolt on a bigger turbo and rely on ECU learning to do the trick. sure the car may actually run, but you will be leaving 75% of the gains on the table.

[Captain KRM P5]

we've put the GT3071R from ATP on the engine and at 15psi it makes as much power as the stock turbo does running 18psi. this was with an XEDE on the car as well for both turbos. the larger turbo can be run with just the stock computer and for the most part your air/fuel ratios will be within safe parameters. in short, do you 'need' to retune the fuel and timing curves to safely operate the GT3071R on this engine? no you do not.

therein lies a caveat however; why are you paying a grand plus for a new turbo to run basically the same powerband? to get the most out of the larger turbo you will need to crank up the boost from where ATP has it set at, which is 15psi. you won't be able to push much more than that on the stock ECU and still be within a safe range. the turbo itself is rated to 22 psi efficiently. i'd be hesitant to push it that hard without doing some tuning.

you do not need the bigger intake tube to use the larger turbo. the intake tube they say you need is the midsection that goes between the intake and the turbo - the stock plastic misshapen midsection everyone is attaching thier cold air intakes to. they offer that because the inlet on the GT3071R is 4 inches in diameter. its also a good way to get $300 more out of you :) you can easily adapt the factory intake tunnel and cold air intake to the larger inlet with a silicone reducer. no CELs from larger MAF tunnels or any of that nonsense.

[whitey4311]

still no reply to these questions:

Will the vibrant system pass smog since it has a cat? For me I would consider both systems if the PG test pipe with cork sport system is the best choice I could always bolt up the stock DP for smog right?

Any warranty BS risks?

Guranteed no Cel's?

[Captain KRM P5]

still no reply to these questions:

Will the vibrant system pass smog since it has a cat? For me I would consider both systems if the PG test pipe with cork sport system is the best choice I could always bolt up the stock DP for smog right?

Any warranty BS risks?

Guranteed no Cel's?

1) where are you located? neither of these systems will pass a visual inspection. with the check engine light off they will pass all plug in OBD inspections. the vibrant setup will probably pass a sniffer test. the setup with the corksport and test pipe will not pass a sniffer test. "passing smog" is an opened ended term that is going to vary based on your state and local test methods.

2) you are not going to blow your engine from a turbo back exhaust alone on this car. i highly doubt if your radio goes bad that you are going to have a dealer refuse to repair on the basis that your exhaust system is aftermarket etc etc etc. exhaust can easily be swapped back if the need arises (ie - your engine starts making odd sounds or some such and the dealer needs to check it out). i've said it before and i cannot stress this simple fact enough;

i've worked for mazda. i've worked in the dealer service, sales and parts environments. if you give the dealer or a rep a reason to void your warranty they will find a way to do it. if you walk in and treat your service writer like a human being they will more than likely take care of you. if you walk in like they owe you something and get hostile they'll call Mazda USA and tell them you modded your car six ways until sunday and have techline flag your car so fast you won't know where the time went.

generally speaking, basic bolt on things like intake, exhaust, springs, etc are not going to get your warranty heckled. now if you can't take the ten minutes to swap back your stock intercooler before a dealer visit or five minutes to swap back your stock bypass valve before a dealer visit or you leave a boost controller on the car in plain sight then you might as well wear a sign that says "please void me" in bright red letters. thats my unabridged, unsimplified, unshortened opinion on the matter of mods and warranty work.

3) no check engine lights.

[Craighjr]

I would like the DP, TP, CB package with no cats. Can you pm me with the avalibility, how long I have to wait to get the 5% more off, and shipping price is to 07628. How much additional would it be for shifter bushings and a motor mount on there too. I would like the PG mount instead of the AWR's that seem to tear. If that is possible?

[SPEED305]

I'll do it.

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2. Funkyman
3. EddieNYNY
4. whitey4311
5: ill_eagle94
ahhhhh, what da hell. excellent price! btw, i hate all of you!! (fu)
6. SPEED305

pending some dyno's.

[whitey4311]

Thanks so much Ken for the reply it helped me sort out the BS going on in my head.

I live in California so I guess since you said package 1 is a better choice but wont pass smog I will just have to keep the stock set up to change it out when that time comes.

Couldnt I just change out the DP and test pipe for smog and leave the CBE inplace for it to pass?

Has anyone done the install on this stuff, how easy is it to do? Mainly I wonder how to get the stock system out of the car since I have seen threads where people had to cut it out. I obviously need for this system to be unbolt and bolt on to change out for smog or warranty BS so I would hate to cut at it.

[whitey4311]

PS called me dealer right now and he said use common sense for warranty issues and that he doesnt see how an exhaust could void anything other then the part itself. In other words if I punched out a CAT and the CAT failed its on me.

He did say for the TMIC that it would be grey area and up for question depending on what went wrong. So for ease of avoiding all the BS i think the Turbo back system would be my best option so I can cont to go to the dealer for my routine services.

He did mention it wont be smog legal but as I said I could possibly just bolt up the stock DP and be ok. Also I have a friend that owns a shop so I dont know how easy it would be to fudge the test if it came down to it.

[the7comeback7ki]

Bump for an awesome deal!

[whitey4311]

So whats up we need total of 10 but what is the price going to be? Seems like someone forced $800 on Ken but he hasnt approved a price yet. We have to be fair and he has been so much help I wont take advantage of him but $800 sounds beautiful to me.

[Captain KRM P5]

800 i really dont think i can hit. if we can get 10 buyers i'll do 900 shipped. thats the rock bottom price.

[SSMS3]

tempting...

Captain, there was talk (on the 'other' website) about cars smoking after some exhaust installs, is that still an issue? I'll get back on there and do some reading but thought I'd ask you also

[controlo]

thats a great price. sure wish i had $900 lying around. guess i'll just order the test pipe for now!

[ZooZoom]

800 i really dont think i can hit. if we can get 10 buyers i'll do 900 shipped. thats the rock bottom price.

need to re-confirm commitments for 10 people min. @ $900 shipped:

1. ZooZoom

[acgfast]

good deal

2. acgfast

[whitey4311]

Now this will be felt HP increase right? I dont mind some snarrling of the exhaust if its for 40 horsies but will be pissed if its loud and not faster. Also for smog here in California can I just swap out the DP and test pipe while leaving the CBE in place to pass smog when I sell the car?

I have the MS CAI so with that mod and turbo back will this be a good set up?

How easy of an install is this and how do you get the old exhaust out, does it have to be cut?

I really am looking at doing a cool mod that wont dick with the warranty and apparently this turbo back wont void anything other then the parts we removed which wont matter.

Oh and can someone tell me what they hell o2 bungs are? From what I have been reading its to trick the ECU that there are CATs so there is no CEL but Ken said the 3rd bung on the test pipe is for our own wide band. I have no idea what that means or what to do with it.

[QuicklyCosmic]

An O2 bung is just a threaded hole in the piping, for connecting an O2 sensor.

The first 2 bungs are used with the stock O2 sensors. The CEL fix usually involves adding a piece which acts as a spacer between the bung and the stock O2 sensor, but I believe the fix is actually built into the bung in this case.

The 3rd O2 bung is indeed for a wideband Air/Fuel ratio gauge. It's not necessary to use it, the bung is just there for convenience, if/when we want to use a wideband. It can be capped off with a bolt if not used.

(Correct me if I'm wrong guys)

As for the thread topic, I was sorely tempted by this deal.. and then you dropped the price more. I'm interested, but I need to know if there's any added droning at highway speeds. I looked on this and another forum for sound clips, but I didn't see any in-cabin ones for either of the TBE options. I only want to be noticeably louder at/near WOT. Anyone know how these setups might sound?

[krnage]

can only speak for corksport cat back and at cruising speeds the exhaust has the same note as stock if not a bees d!ck louder, ive noticed i dont even hear it when im listening to music until you get on it, assuming with more flow through the exhaust the sound would go up a bit but nothing bad

[whitey4311]

An O2 bung is just a threaded hole in the piping, for connecting an O2 sensor.

The first 2 bungs are used with the stock O2 sensors. The CEL fix usually involves adding a piece which acts as a spacer between the bung and the stock O2 sensor, but I believe the fix is actually built into the bung in this case.

The 3rd O2 bung is indeed for a wideband Air/Fuel ratio gauge. It's not necessary to use it, the bung is just there for convenience, if/when we want to use a wideband. It can be capped off with a bolt if not used.

(Correct me if I'm wrong guys)

As for the thread topic, I was sorely tempted by this deal.. and then you dropped the price more. I'm interested, but I need to know if there's any added droning at highway speeds. I looked on this and another forum for sound clips, but I didn't see any in-cabin ones for either of the TBE options. I only want to be noticeably louder at/near WOT. Anyone know how these setups might sound?



Hey thanks man I think I get it now. I hope that spare bolt comes installed on the 3rd bung right?

I understand there will be more noise but if it gets 40hp that is freakign huge gains and worth it to me. If cutting on your resonators makes it loud but doesnt add shit then I think it would be retarded to do. I am really looking at the gains here and hope they are accurate.

Who is coming up with this 40-50hp figure for this system has that been under dyno or are people just adding up the gains per modification?

I am about to add my name back on the list but want to iron out some shizznit first.

Also I would like to know about install for how you get the stock exhaust out and the new one in? Is it cake and can be done at home or whats the deal?

PS any change on a scan of a instrution sheet so I can see if I can even install this bad boy?

[funkyman]

Whitey you`re a a bit like me,the exhaust is pretty much plug and play no cutting welding what not,when you decide to sell the car 3-4 years down the line,you must put back everything,if you want to get the full asking price for it.So keep all stock parts including FMIC`s intake etc.

[funkyman]

1. ZooZoom
2. Funkyman
3. EddieNYNY
4. whitey4311
5: ill_eagle94
6. acgfast

4 to go

[whitey4311]

I wont get full price for it?

I figured to pass smog I would have to put back the DP for the new owner but having a 1k exhaust wont help the sale?

[whitey4311]

1. ZooZoom
2. Funkyman
3. EddieNYNY
4. whitey4311
5: ill_eagle94
6. acgfast

4 to go

I dont think there are but 2 at the new 900 price so you better check on this list.

[eddienyny]

Sorry guys...

I might actually take my name off the list for now. I know Cobb Tuning has been talking about their turbo-back package for a long time now... but there seems to be more chatter about it releasing shortly.

I think I'm going to wait to see and compare the performance + sound for both whenever it comes out.

[ZooZoom]

Sorry guys...

I might actually take my name off the list for now. I know Cobb Tuning has been talking about their turbo-back package for a long time now... but there seems to be more chatter about it releasing shortly.

I think I'm going to wait to see and compare the performance + sound for both whenever it comes out.

Cobb makes FABULOUS products and I plan to be a big customer of theirs. But trust me, the price for a full Turboback exhaust (Downpipe + Catback) from Cobb will likely cost 50% more than $900 shipped here.

I had lots of good experience with my Subaru and Cobb stuff. Know that the Accessport works just fine with other mfg aftermarket exhausts. I ran my AP with a Perrin catted DP and a Greddy EVO2 catback.

[whitey4311]

people are saying that an ECU tune is necessary with the TBE so whats the real deal?

[whitey4311]

Whitey you`re a a bit like me,the exhaust is pretty much plug and play no cutting welding what not,when you decide to sell the car 3-4 years down the line,you must put back everything,if you want to get the full asking price for it.So keep all stock parts including FMIC`s intake etc.

Tell me more about what you mean about putting stock back down the road? I figure when time to sell/smog replace stock DP for the smog then reinstall it should be fine right?

[Craighjr]

I'm in @ 900 shipped. I also asked for a pm reguarding a PG motor mount and shifter bushings and haven't heard back. Should I just call up the shop?

[whitey4311]

Damn it I want to buy one but not until I hear for certain there is no ECU tune or CEL issues.

Why are some people saying that an ECU tune must be done. Another guy with the CPE shit said he had a running rich at idle code and may need a retune.

I just dont want to be the test rat group that figures out $900 went to nothing but problems or a money pit to make it all work right.

I really want 40 more horsies and will drop the credit card to save $50 or if we dont get 10 then I will pay cash plus the non discount.

[Captain KRM P5]

Damn it I want to buy one but not until I hear for certain there is no ECU tune or CEL issues.



we've done turboback exhausts on these cars. there was no CEL. it made power and the AFRs were in line. i don't know if my word is not enough here but i have said this a million times now.


I'm in @ 900 shipped. I also asked for a pm reguarding a PG motor mount and shifter bushings and haven't heard back. Should I just call up the shop?

i'll be here tomorrow after 3pm CST if you would like to call

[whitey4311]

I totally trust you since you have done this more then once, lol. I am just asking why some people have said this.

Add me to the list please I would love to feel some horsies.

Hey Ken have you drove some of these cars after the TBE and felt a difference?

[whitey4311]

New list start:

1. whitey4311
2. zoomzoom
3. acgfast
4. Craighjr


add on if I left out any

[Captain KRM P5]

Hey Ken have you drove some of these cars after the TBE and felt a difference?

turbo spools up alot faster for one. much easier to break the tires free :)

[whitey4311]

turbo spools up alot faster for one. much easier to break the tires free :)

Well I better love it, lol. I think I can take it to a local exhaust shop for the install so it will be much easier on me. Maybe then I wont have to hack up the stock exhaust to get it out either.

And you still stand by package #1 right? I figure keeping everything corksport would be a good idea for best fit and just the idea of all 1 brand.

I figure both will fail smog so I may as well just push the clutch in when I see a piggy and coast then when smog time comes or when I sell it change back the DP and TP to stock. With the corksprt option this would be easiest since its a CBE and the vibrant is a DP back so there would be more difficulty in switching just the section that matters out.

Is that about right or am I missing something?

[funkyman]

I may as well just push the clutch in when I see a piggy (five-0)(puke)(killit)(upyours)(hah)(cabpatch)

[whitey4311]

I dont want to spend the money either but I know it will be bad ass. Part of me hope we dont get 10 and then part of me wants to, lol.

[BLACKMS3]

A dyno chart would sell these...

[whitey4311]

Yeah I guess thats what I am missing here since its a lot of money to just toss at taking some ones word for it.

Hopefully some will make it out there and post back some dyno and real life results. I loved the sound of some of the vids from the Vibrant system and corksport systems.

Funny part is that the corksport system video is of the MS3 on a dyno so where are the results?

[ill_eagle94]

1. whitey4311
2. zoomzoom
3. acgfast
4. Craighjr
5. ill_eagle94

[SPEED305]

A dyno chart would sell these...(mswerd)(iagree)

[Craighjr]

CORK SPORTS OWN DYNO GRAPH (http://corksport.com/content/00/01/06/61/73/userimages/MS3%20exhaust%20dyno.jpg) This just isn't that clear. It will make a different amount of power for every car but, if you remove the 2 cats expect the best gains. If your waiting for a solid HP number to sell the exhaust to you, don't bother you will be dissappointed no matter what. If it makes 20hp, you were promised 30hp and so on. I have the CAI and want a turbo back badly. This will flow way better than stock exhaust parts no matter what. Once PNP management is avalible I will buy that and an IC upgrade to finish my bolt on plan until I'm out of warranty.

[whitey4311]

I have no idea what that Dyno is so if you could interpret the results that would be great.

[CaSHMeRe]

I have no idea what that Dyno is so if you could interpret the results that would be great.

293 tq
255 hp

[whitey4311]

and stock was like 222 whp right?

[Nutari]

and stock was like 222 whp right?

Stock peak: 236 HP, 265tq
Exhaust peak: 255hp 293tq


stock midrange: 170hp 215tq
exhaust midrange: 189hp 255tq

[whitey4311]

well thats no 40hp gain then.

[Nutari]

well thats no 40hp gain then.



30HP peak gain
38TQ peak gain

45hp midrange gain
66tq midrange gain

[Captain KRM P5]

we are adding GHL exhausts to this list as well;

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3290443#post3290443

[whitey4311]

Damn it you really like make me go crazy dont you Ken, lol. Now you have more options, well shit!

[whitey4311]

30HP peak gain
38TQ peak gain

45hp midrange gain
66tq midrange gain

How you get all that from that graph?

Thanks I knew I wasnt reading that shit right. I remember that HP drops off after 5500rpm so mid gain is huge on that TBE then.

Anyone know what mods that dyno was done on?

[Nutari]

How you get all that from that graph?



at the bottom. :)

[whitey4311]

Stock peak: 236 HP, 265tq
Exhaust peak: 255hp 293tq


stock midrange: 170hp 215tq
exhaust midrange: 189hp 255tq

Well I am not finding those numbers on that chart.

[Nutari]

Well I am not finding those numbers on that chart.

seriously?
Look at the bottom of the chart. Top says what #'s 1 and 2 are. 1 is with the exhaust, 2 is without. (stock)

bottom has min. peak, and midrange.
http://corksport.com/content/00/01/06/61/73/userimages/MS3%20exhaust%20dyno.jpg

[whitey4311]

ahhhh I see grass hopper!

I had no idea stock figures were #2

Now I just dont see where you subtacted what numbers to get a 45hp mid range gain.

PS still unclear what the set up was on the car for this dyno isnt it?

[Nutari]

ahhhh I see grass hopper!

I had no idea stock figures were #2

Now I just dont see where you subtacted what numbers to get a 45hp mid range gain.

*squints* I think I got the right numbers...

stock midrange: 170hp 215tq
exhaust midrange: 189hp 255tq

right?

[whitey4311]

Yeah thats 19hp isnt it?

So if thats the full TBE with PG test pipe then gains arent going to be near 40hp. I figured that sounded like a shit load of gains, not like we added a bigger turbo or anything.

[Nutari]

Yeah thats 19hp isnt it?

So if thats the full TBE with PG test pipe then gains arent going to be near 40hp. I figured that sounded like a shit load of gains, not like we added a bigger turbo or anything.

that corksport dyno is JUST the corksport exhaust.

[whitey4311]

SO thats just the CBE or I wonder if its with the DP too?

If thats just the CBE I thought there werent gains to be had from it so that makes me think the DP must be included in that dyno.

Still its 19hp at best gains right?

[Nutari]

SO thats just the CBE or I wonder if its with the DP too?

If thats just the CBE I thought there werent gains to be had from it so that makes me think the DP must be included in that dyno.

Still its 19hp at best gains right?

30 something peak gains I belive. Now im lost.. damnit.

Where did that dyno come from? Brb.. gonna go look it up

ok.. its just the cat back exhaust according to corksports website.


CorkSport "Power Series" 80mm exhaust system

CorkSport 'Power Series' 80mm exhaust system
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The CorkSport "Power Series" 80mm exhaust system is a bolt up cat back for the Mazdaspeed 3. The CorkSport "Power Series" exhaust features 304 stainless steel piping, mandrel bends and a mirror polish finish. The exhaust system comes with complete installation instructions and all the needed gaskets and hardware. Sound Clip #1 Sound Clip #2 Sound Clip #3

The CorkSport Mazdaspeed 3 gains 19 hp and 5 torque at the wheels. Dyno Sheet

no dyno sheet for the downpipe, only a video of it on a dyno.

[whitey4311]

No its only 19hp at best gains.

So then a CPE has gains on this car?

I wanted to just do a minor improvement for cheap at a local Muffler custom shop and do a 2.5 inch mandrel bent system with a flow master or something.

The owner told me there were no gains to be made after looking at the stock set up. He said about all I would get was a ton of cabin noise but no real gains since all our resonators are straight through and I read that the muffler thing at the end is straight though as well. He said if thats true then there would be no change by making another mandrel bent pipe or deleting the resonators.

So then we still need a Dyno of the full TBE. I guess I will kick back and wait for someone to get one so we can hear back. Still I stuggle with spending $900 bucks on something that I will have to unbolt when I sell it. I suppose I can sell private party and up the price a bit for the mods the car has but to smog they will have to change out the DP to pass I would think.

[Craighjr]

we are adding GHL exhausts to this list as well;

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3290443#post3290443

So is that a Corksport DP, Protege Garage TP, and GLH CB in the deal? Sign me up more I have heard that the tip of the GLH sits oh so perfectly on the MS3

[blacksheepms3]

we are adding GHL exhausts to this list as well;

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3290443#post3290443

I would buy, if there is a GHL turbo back system. I like the sound from GHL and the drone free claim

[Haltech]

I have a PG test pipe in route, plus the GHL exhaust. Im holding off on the DP until i decide which direction i go with the turbo. Its either a new one or a ported/reworked stocker. I dont want to change the DP twice. Im realistically looking at 20 - 25hp to the wheels and ill be ok with that.

[blacksheepms3]

So is that a Corksport DP, Protege Garage TP, and GLH CB in the deal? Sign me up more I have heard that the tip of the GLH sits oh so perfectly on the MS3

Count me in if this is one of the choices.

[funkyman]

We need to wait for a dyno on a complete 3 piece Corksport system and base our descisions on that.We need to see real life figures from someone,before dropping 1k into it.Having said that if this 3 piece system down pipe,test pipe.full exhaust gives 25-30hp@wheels then its a mega steal and will take our cars to the super car catagory,we`ll be able to compete with current and upcoming STI`s,335i, and evo X`S.300-320HP @ crank is no small figure for a car that is FWD and weighs 3153lbs only.With 310hp on tap Our 0-60mph times should be in the region of 4.7-4.9 sec

335i 300hp@3582 lbs
MS3 263hp@3153lbs with Corksport 3 piece system 300hp
WRXSTI 300hp@3298lbs
EVOIII 286hp@3285lbs

[SPEED305]

damn, have i been gone that long, i first saw $800, now we to 950. damn.

[Craighjr]

799 was never the price. Someone just threw that out there, they would pay that for a turbo back. Thats unrealistic when the starting price is 950.

[mcopare]

GHL is where it is at....zero drone!!!!

[funkyman]

Is the WHP to Crank HP ratio 1:1.28 roughly 28% more
19hp gain @ wheel=19x1.28=24hp i believe
Thats what corksport exhaust gives apparently and thats without downpipe.I figure with its 35hp so add another 35 to 263 you`ll get 298hp at crank not bad.

[funkyman]

Question to Nutari.Assuming we went with the system #1 UPGRADE and a cold intake,how do we go about determining an accurate estimate of the power increase when the manufacturers are claiming different amounts for each individual part .Eg Exhaust,test pipe,down pipe,intake combination would give us howmuch@ crank would you say with a realistic modest estimate.

[ill_eagle94]

Question to Nutari.Assuming we went with the system #1 UPGRADE and a cold intake,how do we go about determining an accurate estimate of the power increase when the manufacturers are claiming different amounts for each individual part .Eg Exhaust,test pipe,down pipe,intake combination would give us howmuch@ crank would you say with a realistic modest estimate.

By dynoing before and after. :-)

[Nutari]

By dynoing before and after. :-)

Yup. There is no way to tell you how much YOU specifically will make. Different altitudes, humidity, temperature, etc will determine everything. We can tell you how much each part, by themselves, in that particular climate added to that specific car which was driven a particular way for whatever many miles.

:) got that?

in the end, I'd say a good CATLESS turbo back exhaust would get you at least 40hp to the wheels. Total estimate of course.

(homework)

[ill_eagle94]

C'mon guys, I'm waiting to order this in hopes to save a bit of money. Nobody else is interested?

[funkyman]

1. ZooZoom
2. Funkyman
3. EddieNYNY
4. whitey4311
5: ill_eagle94
6. acgfast

Im ready to order for 900 shipped with the list above.

[tru-boost]

i cant tell you exact numbers on these set-ups, but i can tell you what the dyno testing on my tbe showed. the PEAH HP went up 16 and
PEAK TQ up 20. not too hot on PEAK numbers but most of the graph from 2000-3500rpm was up about 30HP/45TQ !! the low end power and spool up was amazing ! ples the power held a little longer at high revs...slightly.
hope it helps.... i think it is a great investment !

[SPEED305]

C'mon guys, I'm waiting to order this in hopes to save a bit of money. Nobody else is interested? do i hear $875?(strike)

[whitey4311]

1. ZooZoom
2. Funkyman
3. EddieNYNY

5: ill_eagle94
6. acgfast

Im ready to order for 900 shipped with the list above.


sorry, :)

[Captain KRM P5]

the price i quoted in the first post in my mind was extremely fair. no offense to anyone here, but there is no comparable option available out there for less than $1500. i am not going any lower than $900, period. my margins are already non-existent folks.

carry on :)

[ill_eagle94]

the price i quoted in the first post in my mind was extremely fair. no offense to anyone here, but there is no comparable option available out there for less than $1500. i am not going any lower than $900, period. my margins are already non-existent folks.

carry on :)

I'm fine with that. :-)

C'mon guys. (moon) :)

1. ZooZoom
2. Funkyman
3. EddieNYNY
4: ill_eagle94
5. acgfast

[funkyman]

Well a genuine Chevrolet 2008 model Corvette optional factory full exhaust upgrade costs 1150usd and that is a 60k car:-)

[ZooZoom]

some guys are gonna hate me for this, but I wish to "back out" of the dibs list for the full TBE package.

my reason is pretty good. got a promotion recently that affords me a change of lifestyle. so I'm planning to sell the Speed3 in the coming few months and buy a 2008 Corvette.

for what its worth, I endorse Captain's claim that this is one hell of a good deal. a typical full TBE exhaust system for a Subaru runs from just over $1,000 to upwards of $1,500 bucks.

cheers!

[Ferdball]

some guys are gonna hate me for this, but I wish to "back out" of the dibs list for the full TBE package.

my reason is pretty good. got a promotion recently that affords me a change of lifestyle. so I'm planning to sell the Speed3 in the coming few months and buy a 2008 Corvette.

for what its worth, I endorse Captain's claim that this is one hell of a good deal. a typical full TBE exhaust system for a Subaru runs from just over $1,000 to upwards of $1,500 bucks.

cheers!

Wow. Congrats man.

[Captain KRM P5]

some guys are gonna hate me for this, but I wish to "back out" of the dibs list for the full TBE package.

my reason is pretty good. got a promotion recently that affords me a change of lifestyle. so I'm planning to sell the Speed3 in the coming few months and buy a 2008 Corvette.

for what its worth, I endorse Captain's claim that this is one hell of a good deal. a typical full TBE exhaust system for a Subaru runs from just over $1,000 to upwards of $1,500 bucks.

cheers!

congratulations man. hell of a step up.


Well a genuine Chevrolet 2008 model Corvette optional factory full exhaust upgrade costs 1150usd and that is a 60k car:-)

"full factory exhaust" meaning what? catback system? headers? headers + cat delete pipes + catback system? i am betting - could be wrong - that GM performance isn't producing a system that does all that for 1150.

this system for your 22k speed3 does do all that, for $950.

[Craighjr]

1. ZooZoom
2. Funkyman
3. EddieNYNY
4. whitey4311
5: ill_eagle94
6. acgfast

Im ready to order for 900 shipped with the list above.

Good thing I didn't bother waiting for you guys to buy. You took me off your silly little list. So anyway thanks Ken my stuff started to roll in hopefully it will be installed this week. I love the look of the Vibrant you suggested can't wait to hear it now.

[funkyman]

congratulations man. hell of a step up.



"full factory exhaust" meaning what? catback system? headers? headers + cat delete pipes + catback system? i am betting - could be wrong - that GM performance isn't producing a system that does all that for 1150.

this system for your 22k speed3 does do all that, for $950.


Corvette Catback,its in the Car&Driver issue of Sept 2007 and is 1190usd,polished satinless steel with Emblem.(gossip)

[Captain KRM P5]

Corvette Catback,its in the Car&Driver issue of Sept 2007 and is 1190usd,polished satinless steel with Emblem.(gossip)

great, like i said, just a catback system. a catback for your speed3 will cost you about half that. looks like that 1150 won't delete your cats, won't give you a header or a downpipe, won't give the same kind of gains that - proportionally speaking now - a system for 950 that does do everything i just mentioned will give you. this is ignoring the fact that this is an apples to oranges comparison to begin with.

so to recap;

$1150 - catback system for a corvette
$950 - catback system, test pipe to delete cat, downpipe to delete cat for a mazdaspeed

i am not forcing anyone to buy anything. if you don't like the price, don't buy it. if you don't think its a great deal, you're entitled to your opinion, but you'd be way off base.

[RXMmazdaspeed]

looks like an amazing deal to me, if i had the money to buy it now i would.

[Haltech]

great, like i said, just a catback system. a catback for your speed3 will cost you about half that. looks like that 1150 won't delete your cats, won't give you a header or a downpipe, won't give the same kind of gains that - proportionally speaking now - a system for 950 that does do everything i just mentioned will give you. this is ignoring the fact that this is an apples to oranges comparison to begin with.

so to recap;

$1150 - catback system for a corvette
$950 - catback system, test pipe to delete cat, downpipe to delete cat for a mazdaspeed

i am not forcing anyone to buy anything. if you don't like the price, don't buy it. if you don't think its a great deal, you're entitled to your opinion, but you'd be way off base.

Not to mention, Magnaflow will build a better exhaust for that vette, for HALF the cost.

Im happy with my GHL system and test pipe. You guys need to get those orders going!

[funkyman]

As i said I`m cool with that,i will buy one soon as we get those people.

[ill_eagle94]

Not to mention, Magnaflow will build a better exhaust for that vette, for HALF the cost.

Im happy with my GHL system and test pipe. You guys need to get those orders going!

I'm not too impressed with Magnaflows' exhaust systems.

[Suppressor]

Is this deal still in the works? I don't see any posts for a few weeks. If its still going, count me in for whichever setup is going to give me the most HP.

[funkyman]

Ill take it 800 shipped.

[civic si hb]

^^^



the price i quoted in the first post in my mind was extremely fair. no offense to anyone here, but there is no comparable option available out there for less than $1500. i am not going any lower than $900, period. my margins are already non-existent folks.

carry on :)



Already quoted on the previous page, but good luck (drinks)

[funkyman]

OK Captain small questions for a desicion.
OK i`m a little confused as to the technical side of various exhaust modifications etc,so i would be greatful if you bring about a detailed explanation.
On your web site the your cat back turbo exhaust apparently gives 30hp to the wheel and so does the downpipe.
Since we are not going to get 30hp per upgrade as such is it necessary to upgrade both or only one and is the downpipe compatible or upgradeable with a Garret Gt30r turbo.
What is a test pipe and which of these would give the most HP at the wheels alone.With the test pipe we are looking at 3 different installations now only one upgrade can give a maximum of 30hp at wheels,even though all 3 are fitted,am i correct.

[speed3wannabe]

Ken,
Does the Vibrant exahust always come with a high flow cat or do you have so special order it????? That would be perfect for me. And is this deal still on????

[Minischumi]

Did somebody already test this part? does that remove to you it it catalyst?

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5820/mazdaspeed3testpipegu9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Thanks

[Nutari]

Did somebody already test this part? does that remove to you it it catalyst?

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5820/mazdaspeed3testpipegu9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Thanks

Yes. It removes the 2nd Catalytic converter

[Minischumi]

Ok, therefore the first which is at exit the turbo one does not change.

There is no risk for the engine or the turbo one?

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/586/0000698kc7.jpg

[Nutari]

Ok, therefore the first which is at exit the turbo one does not change.

There is no risk for the engine or the turbo one?

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/586/0000698kc7.jpg

No, our midpipe will not damage your engine.

[Minischumi]

Ok, thanks.

[Captain KRM P5]

Ken,
Does the Vibrant exahust always come with a high flow cat or do you have so special order it????? That would be perfect for me. And is this deal still on????

it always comes with the hi flow cat

[blacksheepms3]

where is the Vibrant exhaust video?

[numbnuts22715]

how long will this deal be going?

my turbo'd integra got stolen, so i'm trying to get a mazdaspeed3, and i dunno how long insurance is gonna take to give me money...


i really hope it'll be a while..