MS3 vs. 2008 Dodge Caliber SRT-4

[eddienyny]

Interesting to see how the MS3 is now the 'target' for high-performance FWD sport compacts.

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/06/25/dodge-caliber-srt-4-finally-coming-this-fall/

[BSTD3]

iThe Dodge Caliber SRT-4 is Teh GEY!

[sanblaster]

Wow that really does look like shit. But it is fast..... (ugh)

[Rotary_Powered]

But it's fast (if the last SRT-4 was any indication) I loved the last SRT-4 (though not as much as the MSP!)

[kamon8404]

I thought that the caliber was going to be AWD? WTF?!?!

[TX Speed 6]

You can also make a cobalt/g5 run 10's, so its fast... but it will still look like a pile of crap compared to the MS3!!!

[xmysacredoathx]

I thought that the caliber was going to be AWD? WTF?!?!

Some are.

[ch77]

Caliber looks really weird to me, I don't like it.

I like everything looks-wise on the MS3 except the front end. I even like the brake dust.

[SPEED305]

ugly styling, mini suv hotrod?, but, and I say BUT!!!, if they can get to sell this for under $20k , they might be in good standing as fas as sales. cant wait to see how the interior is gonna be. cheapo? very cheapo? very very cheapo? the latter being the more probable. also cant wait for numbers on this this. it does have crazy power though!!!!
does anyone know how many may be produced?

[chaos4]

"a stripped-down model at just under $20,000."

"If Dodge can deliver a budget hot rod under $20,000 that boasts 280 useful horsepower and a road-holding suspension"

Let's wait to see what they really come up with. A stripper? A really ugly stripper, too!!

[BHOUST528]

Its not that bad although it does look like a mini durango ...all the new dodge shit looks the same now i mean look at the avenger then the charger it the same damn thing just smaller or bigger to me ....i will give it this...at least its gonna be fast!!!!!

[eddienyny]

"a stripped-down model at just under $20,000."

"If Dodge can deliver a budget hot rod under $20,000 that boasts 280 useful horsepower and a road-holding suspension"

Let's wait to see what they really come up with. A stripper? A really ugly stripper, too!!

Just have a few drinks and she'll pretty up. (drunk)

[jflash]

I thought that the caliber was going to be AWD? WTF?!?!


they are making the R/T in awd and the SRT in fwd.

[Haltech]

I dont think its going to be as light as the MS3. I really wouldnt get worried about it.

[Karma_hunden]

yeah, that thing is just grotesque!

im pretty sure it will be fast, but its a dodge, which is kinda like a stripper...cheap, tacky, loves you long time and gets the job done. Would you like to marry (buy) her? Dont think so.

[Haltech]

I used to watch SRT come to the dragstrip every thurand blow up SRT-4's... quite comical. They always had a PIG, i mean SRT-10 hiding in the trailer, supposedly modded up. They never put that truck on the track. After 10 patient months, the pig came out of the trailer and i tipped the staging lane offical to line me up with it... Long story short, it got its ass whooped.. They never brought it back out, especially with 17 lightnings waiting to get a piece of it each week.

The Caliber may be fast, but its still a dodge...

[CTGrey02]

Looks like they lessened the claimed power they had before. Their torque numbers are 20 ftlbs than ours but their HP is a bit higher.

[daonly1around]

that looks like it sits WAY Too high off the ground to handle well at all....no way it keeps up with the ms3 stock for stock on a road course....

[kableguy]

i wouldnt even worry about it... its a caliber... its not even the same class as the ms3, thats a go fast econo for the cheap and poor alike. the engine is nice but everything else screams nono get the fuck away! and even then the ms3 still beats this in the tq and thats all that really matters anyway, tell that to a honda owner LOL. fucken 150hp 95 tq, useless as shit, thanks for bringing vvt to our attention now go away

[SwampAss]

I like it. Under 20k would be a milestone for any car manufacturer. 280hp/260trq for less than 20K? This is only good news for the rest of us. Like the Caliber or not, this only heats up the competition more.

[CTGrey02]

i wouldnt even worry about it... its a caliber... its not even the same class as the ms3, thats a go fast econo for the cheap and poor alike. the engine is nice but everything else screams nono get the fuck away! and even then the ms3 still beats this in the tq and thats all that really matters anyway, tell that to a honda owner LOL. fucken 150hp 95 tq, useless as shit, thanks for bringing vvt to our attention now go away

People said the same shit about the neon. Myself included. The Mazda3 is an econobox as well, like it or not. Build quality may be better as well, but I'm reserving that statement for when I'm sure my engine isn't going to fall out.

[Hikaru9]

I like it. Under 20k would be a milestone for any car manufacturer. 280hp/260trq for less than 20K? This is only good news for the rest of us. Like the Caliber or not, this only heats up the competition more.

(iagree) Competition is good for the consumer. *^_^*

[SwampAss]

lol CTGREY02


Also, having 4 door, higher roofline cars putting out this kind of power is HUGE for the "family man". Kids, dogs, and stuffy inlaws fit in these cars with ease. When it comes down to buying a car, these things are big factors. The hard part is not the salesmen selling the car to me, it's me selling the car to my wife. (freak)

[Hikaru9]

lol CTGREY02


Also, having 4 door, higher roofline cars putting out this kind of power is HUGE for the "family man". Kids, dogs, and stuffy inlaws fit in these cars with ease. When it comes down to buying a car, these things are big factors. The hard part is not the salesmen selling the car to me, it's me selling the car to my wife. (freak)

I think I'm more taken by the Nissan Cube. *^_^*

[Lt. Dan]

Hm..... 300hp, and I can fit a shifter kart in the back.....

[Donas64]

iThe Dodge Caliber SRT-4 is Teh GEY!

Its also Teh FAST

[Donas64]

I like the last few responses from MS3 and mazda owners acknowleding the SRT4 caliber as a threat. Sure its very homely looking and looks like its on monstertruck suspension but I guarantee it will give the MS3 a run for its money.

A lot of people mocked the Neon SRT-4 until it came out and summarily began whooping econobox booty. Shame a lot of its owners were from the shallow end of the gene pool.

But you gotta give it to dodge, they build a stout motor and this thing might even have a decent interior. I'll wait till it debuts and I look forward to the comparos eagerly.

[Rotary_Powered]

(iagree) Competition is good for the consumer. *^_^*
I agree, then maybe MS3 sales will slow down a little and stealerships stop overcharging people for the cars...

[Hikaru9]

I like the last few responses from MS3 and mazda owners acknowleding the SRT4 caliber as a threat. Sure its very homely looking and looks like its on monstertruck suspension but I guarantee it will give the MS3 a run for its money.

A lot of people mocked the Neon SRT-4 until it came out and summarily began whooping econobox booty. Shame a lot of its owners were from the shallow end of the gene pool.

But you gotta give it to dodge, they build a stout motor and this thing might even have a decent interior. I'll wait till it debuts and I look forward to the comparos eagerly.

Here is the most important question! Will it have powered windows? o_O

[Donas64]

Here is the most important question! Will it have powered windows? o_O

Ah, the achilles heel of the Neon SRT4. I think they will have that fixed this time. Unless they still want those fabled weight savings that made the Neon so light. :)

[clos561]

a stripped down version will probably be almost entirely plastic interior....ive driven in a cobalt fully loaded and it had plastic all over...it will compete going in a str8 line but all aroudn the ms3 probably handles better...str8 line its close with the 300hp 260tq numbers...but they lowerd it 280/260...cant wait to start seeing some on the street so i can laugh at the soccer mom lookin mini suv

[GoFast]

too bad its not AWD. I almost envisioned a super fun off-road toy for a second!

[clos561]

awd=more money r/t isnt srt its jsut upgrade caliber right?

[GoFast]

awd=more money r/t isnt srt its jsut upgrade caliber right?

yeah awd does = more money.

as for the second part of your post, do you mean that its just an upgraded caliber?? if so, whats your point? we drive an upgraded 3?

all in all i think they did a pretty good job and im not sure you are going to be laughing too hard when it does hit the streets. i think you may be scratching your head instead

[Donas64]

a stripped down version will probably be almost entirely plastic interior....ive driven in a cobalt fully loaded and it had plastic all over...it will compete going in a str8 line but all aroudn the ms3 probably handles better...str8 line its close with the 300hp 260tq numbers...but they lowerd it 280/260...cant wait to start seeing some on the street so i can laugh at the soccer mom lookin mini suv

Don't laugh too hard, they could very well blow you into the weeds! Mopar Stage kits are nothing to mess with. Dial-a-boost, intercooler sprayer, I think they will be at 350 whp faster than you can blink!

[Donas64]

awd=more money r/t isnt srt its jsut upgrade caliber right?

yes the R/T is the top of the line non-SRT caliber. I get what you were trying to say. It does come with AWD

[sanblaster]

I will still laugh because I already know the type of people that will be purchasing these ugly ass car things. I have never understood why people buy fast ugly cars. No matter how fast they are they still look like they hit every branch of the fugly tree. Luckily I won't see them for very long because they will probably fly right by me.... Which is fine by me..

[Donas64]

I will still laugh because I already know the type of people that will be purchasing these ugly ass car things. I have never understood why people buy fast ugly cars. No matter how fast they are they still look like they hit every branch of the fugly tree. Luckily I won't see them for very long because they will probably fly right by me.... Which is fine by me..

C'mon now. How many people thought and still think the MS3 is ugly or not particularly good looking. Heck I think the thing looks kinda butch and much of its appeal is its tire shredding power. I think after we see a few in the flesh the look might grow on us. It just needs to be lowered.

[sanblaster]

That will never grow on me. Sorry Donas..

[TX Speed 6]

I live in san antonio, this weekend were having a "nitrous thunder jam" at the dragstrip where they will have a Outhouse turned into a dragster.... that thing would slaughter anyone here in a race... but that DOES NOT MAKE IT COOL!!! Just like the Caliber, it will still be a shit box!

[clos561]

Don't laugh too hard, they could very well blow you into the weeds! Mopar Stage kits are nothing to mess with. Dial-a-boost, intercooler sprayer, I think they will be at 350 whp faster than you can blink!
yea but that comes along with alot of other upgrades too...we can get 350whp out of these cars easy..but we are looking for reliable speed not speed for 10 minutes then boom.....and yes i was talking about that the r/t is the top of the line caliber...has nothing to do with the srt-4 version

[Donas64]

yea but that comes along with alot of other upgrades too...we can get 350whp out of these cars easy..but we are looking for reliable speed not speed for 10 minutes then boom.....and yes i was talking about that the r/t is the top of the line caliber...has nothing to do with the srt-4 version

I hope you're not implying that SRTs are prone to detonation because its well known that the neon motor could hold big boost stock while the MSP detonated if you looked at it wrong and the MS3 is already having engines fall out of it.

Not saying that I don't love mazdas or that the caliber won't be crap but lets not be quick to rush to judgement here.

[clos561]

im not i jsut assume that with alot of power comes alot of change needed to be "reliable" yea srt-4's are fast and i never under estimate anything..u never know whats under the hood...these cars are going to be fast of course and its just going to be exciting when i eventually race one. mazda is only company with disi and the high pressure fuel injection right?

[M3_Zoom]

Bla bla bla. For the most part are all Dodge vehicles in the Ugly class? Definitely! Will the bottom line $20K SRT-4 Caliber have an interior made from a recycled coaster? They all will. The AWD Caliber they currently offer has an odd interior and if you ever compared a Neon SXT with a Neon SRT-4 you will notice, ITS THE SAME INTERIOR minus the sport seats etc. Be careful with being a nay sayer because I owned an SRT-4. It was fast as hell, but the interior bugged me along with the loud interior noise and rattling. Now, will the SRT-4 Caliber be fast? Giving credit based on the last SRT-4 model, absolutely. Additionally, a few items too note are, 20 less ft/lbs of torque than our MS3' and only 17 more HP. Well considering we can easily obtain the HP difference with a CAI, which not to mention gives you more torque as well, it should be very interesting. Also note the article states it has "electronically-tuned brake lock differential that controls throttle, spark advance, and boost" which tells me they are more than likely going to face the same initial upgrade issues we are currently facing, along with gear specific boost/throttle cut etc. Again the same issues we are hoping most of these piggy-back or soon to be released computer upgrades will eliminate for us.

It will be nice to see, but what I think you can expect is about the same performance as the last SRT-4. Lastly, so far I have one up on the SRT-4 Caliber, because in my opinion, my MS3 is certainly better looking.

[GoFast]

Just like the Caliber, it will still be a shit box!

spoken like a true ignoramus

[redspeed]

mazda is only company with disi and the high pressure fuel injection right?

VW has TDI (Turbo Direct Injection), but is only on the diesel engine. (rtfm)

[Donas64]

spoken like a true ignoramus

indeed!

[TX Speed 6]

Man... you all got me, thats a good point on how the caliber is better... oh wait a minute, thats right, you just resorted to insults instead because you don't have anything better to say about the car. anyways, I stand behind what I have said, a fast car isn't neccassarily a good car!

[SwampAss]

VW has TDI (Turbo Direct Injection), but is only on the diesel engine. (rtfm)


the FSI 2.0 is also DI. The motor in the GTI

[meha11]

MS3 vs. 2008 Dodge Caliber SRT-4

wouldnt wipe my arse on a Dodge- enough said.

[GoFast]

Man... you all got me, thats a good point on how the caliber is better... oh wait a minute, thats right, you just resorted to insults instead because you don't have anything better to say about the car. anyways, I stand behind what I have said, a fast car isn't neccassarily a good car!

you compared it to a drag racing outhouse....how are we supposed to come up with any insightful contradiction to that?? granted it was quite a colorful and somewhat entertaining analogy, however it was based on what research?? You made yourself sound like, well, an ignoramous. Personally from what i read it sounds like dodge did a good job with it. Getrag tranny, bigger brakes(one big thing that bothers me about the srt-4), beefed up suspension. Sounds good so far to me! so why is it bad to you again? because its not a mazda??

[CTGrey02]

Also note the article states it has "electronically-tuned brake lock differential that controls throttle, spark advance, and boost" which tells me they are more than likely going to face the same initial upgrade issues we are currently facing, along with gear specific boost/throttle cut etc. Again the same issues we are hoping most of these piggy-back or soon to be released computer upgrades will eliminate for us.


Weren't the mopar stage add ons for the neon reflashing the ECU for the addition of the performance parts? Dodge isn't shy about selling that kinda stuff with their upgrades. I'm sure their tuning will be a none issue for those following the MOPAR upgrade path.

[Donas64]

Weren't the mopar stage add ons for the neon reflashing the ECU for the addition of the performance parts? Dodge isn't shy about selling that kinda stuff with their upgrades. I'm sure their tuning will be a none issue for those following the MOPAR upgrade path.

I'm still jealous of the Dial-a-Boost and Intercooler Sprayer buttons.

Not all they need is a Lower Suspension and De-Truckify button and I would SOOOOOOOO get one of these!

[sanblaster]

so why is it bad to you again? because its not a mazda??


Because he thinks it looks like shit. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. We don't need facts to back up what we think of a vehicle. And if a mazda looked like that I would say the same thing about it.

[Hikaru9]

the FSI 2.0 is also DI. The motor in the GTI

+1

... and few others on the VW/ Audi line up -> Eos, Jetta, Passat, A3, and A4.

[clos561]

thats the only thing im jeaouls about dodge...the variety of performance upgrades available by the dealer..which are warrantied right?

[Hikaru9]

thats the only thing im jeaouls about dodge...the variety of performance upgrades available by the dealer..which are warrantied right?

Isn't Mazdaspeed a similar concept?

[SwampAss]

yeah, but to a lesser extent. You know who has the number one dealer oriented aftermarket ? Scion.

[benben84]

Just to let everyone know, the caliber is built on the same chassis as the new lancer so I think it may handle very well. Even if dodge screws up the suspension, the frame is still very rigid and has potential. It needs to be dropped bad though!

[Hikaru9]

Just to let everyone know, the caliber is built on the same chassis as the new lancer so I think it may handle very well. Even if dodge screws up the suspension, the frame is still very rigid and has potential. It needs to be dropped bad though!

I still can't get over the mini Durango look. >_< I think I'll keep my MS3.

[clos561]

dodge's dealer upgrades are way more than mazda..its a shame yea scions have so many little things u can add to the car more appearance than performance

[sanblaster]

scions have so many little things u can add to the car more appearance than performance


I think dictated by the age group purchasing the vehicles.

[Hikaru9]

I think dictated by the age group purchasing the vehicles.

Excluding the 30~40+ buying the xB for its hauling prowess. *^_^*

[benben84]

I think dictated by the age group purchasing the vehicles.
That and there just isn't any power to get out of the 1.5L. Trust me I know! Full exhaust, cai, header gave you maybe 10hp.

[sanblaster]

That and there just isn't any power to get out of the 1.5L.

Unfortunatley I still know..

[Hikaru9]

That and there just isn't any power to get out of the 1.5L. Trust me I know! Full exhaust, cai, header gave you maybe 10hp.

I bet the xB owners will be happy when the gas prices go up to $4+.

[benben84]

I bet the xB owners will be happy when the gas prices go up to $4+.
Actually I don't think anyone will be happy, maybe not AS angry! I just traded mine in, don't really miss it.

[clos561]

we would still have cheapest gas worldwide if ours went to 4 dollars

[redspeed]

Just to let everyone know, the caliber is built on the same chassis as the new lancer so I think it may handle very well. Even if dodge screws up the suspension, the frame is still very rigid and has potential. It needs to be dropped bad though!

Do you have any actual info or link on this? I find very unlikely that mitsu will share their new WRC chasis with dodge or anyone else.

[Rotary_Powered]

they share the same basic platform.

[CTGrey02]

we would still have cheapest gas worldwide if ours went to 4 dollars

So that's why Iranian's are rioting over their gas going from 11 cents a gallon to 44 cents?? I'd definitely take 4 bucks a gallon over that damned 44 cents! (smash)

[sanblaster]

2007:

http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/global_gasprices/price.html

[benben84]

Do you have any actual info or link on this? I find very unlikely that mitsu will share their new WRC chasis with dodge or anyone else.
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/2008-mitsubishi-lancer.htm

News
Redesigned Lancers start sale next March as early 2008 models. They use the so-called C-platform developed by Mitsubishi and Chrysler Group, making them basically sedan cousins of the Dodge Caliber wagon. The new Lancer is larger than the old one, and spy photos show sleeker styling a la Mitsubishi's midsize Galant. Mainstream models will offer up to three 4-cyl engines--1.8, 2.0 and 2.4 liters. These are also shared with Chrysler as well as Hyundai, which partner with Mitsubishi in the Michigan-based Global Alliance engine facility. Like Caliber, the '08 Lancer will offer a continuously variable automatic transmission, a first for a Mitsubishi. All-wheel drive, however, should be reserved for the Evolution X, the latest in a long line of street-legal Lancer rally-racers. A recent Evo concept is said to be much like the final product, so look for over 300 turbocharged horsepower and a meaner look vs. other Lancers.

[Donas64]

http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/2008-mitsubishi-lancer.htm

News
Redesigned Lancers start sale next March as early 2008 models. They use the so-called C-platform developed by Mitsubishi and Chrysler Group, making them basically sedan cousins of the Dodge Caliber wagon. The new Lancer is larger than the old one, and spy photos show sleeker styling a la Mitsubishi's midsize Galant. Mainstream models will offer up to three 4-cyl engines--1.8, 2.0 and 2.4 liters. These are also shared with Chrysler as well as Hyundai, which partner with Mitsubishi in the Michigan-based Global Alliance engine facility. Like Caliber, the '08 Lancer will offer a continuously variable automatic transmission, a first for a Mitsubishi. All-wheel drive, however, should be reserved for the Evolution X, the latest in a long line of street-legal Lancer rally-racers. A recent Evo concept is said to be much like the final product, so look for over 300 turbocharged horsepower and a meaner look vs. other Lancers.

So the chassis has good pedigree. Theres hope yet!

[SwampAss]

Just because of the Evo? Heh. I could rattle off a whole list of Mitsubishi cars that were le doo doo.

[controlo]

hahaha. eagle talon FTW!

[Jesse MS3GT]

Any MS3 owner that disses this things looks is a hypocrite. Both vehicles are ugly IMO. Looks to be a great competitor.

[redspeed]

http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/2008-mitsubishi-lancer.htm

News
Redesigned Lancers start sale next March as early 2008 models. They use the so-called C-platform developed by Mitsubishi and Chrysler Group, making them basically sedan cousins of the Dodge Caliber wagon. The new Lancer is larger than the old one, and spy photos show sleeker styling a la Mitsubishi's midsize Galant. Mainstream models will offer up to three 4-cyl engines--1.8, 2.0 and 2.4 liters. These are also shared with Chrysler as well as Hyundai, which partner with Mitsubishi in the Michigan-based Global Alliance engine facility. Like Caliber, the '08 Lancer will offer a continuously variable automatic transmission, a first for a Mitsubishi. All-wheel drive, however, should be reserved for the Evolution X, the latest in a long line of street-legal Lancer rally-racers. A recent Evo concept is said to be much like the final product, so look for over 300 turbocharged horsepower and a meaner look vs. other Lancers.

Great! Thanks

[redspeed]

Any MS3 owner that disses this things looks is a hypocrite. Both vehicles are ugly IMO. Looks to be a great competitor.

So, why did you buy a ms3 if you think is ugly? I won't buy a car if I thinks it's ugly, no matter how much hp or track performance. (headshake

[civic si hb]

Any MS3 owner that disses this things looks is a hypocrite. Both vehicles are ugly IMO. Looks to be a great competitor.


Totally disagree with that....

[controlo]

yeah, that doesn't make sense. the mazdaspeed3 is a great looking car IMO. i've always liked the look of hatches and wagons though. i do think the dodge looks gross though. however, the srt-4 is a great looking car IMO. they gave up the srt-4 for this? lame.

[Hikaru9]

Umm... I like how my MS3 looks, but I do think the Caliber is ugly. This is a free country, and I won't call anyone hypocrites for saying they like or dislike fat girls. It's all in your mind. *^_^*

[staples187]

Well atleast the MS3 is a rarer car then I'm sure this caliber is going to be. Everytime I drive around my town I always see at least one SRT4 driving around because it's cheap money for high performance, samething the caliber is going to end up being. There has been one other mazdaspeed 3 around here and I know the kid personally. MS3 to SRT4 Ratio 2/38 (notcool).

As for Specs:
Horsepower : 300 hp @ 6000 rpm
Torque : 260 lb-ft @ 2000 rpm
Redline : 6400 rpm

Top speed : 150 mph(estimated)
0-60 mph : 5.5 sec.
0-¼ mile : 14.0 sec @ 105.0 mph(estimated)
60-0 braking distance : 120 ft(estimated)
200 ft skidpad : 0.88 g(estimated)

Curb Weight : 3200 lbs(estimated)
Overall length : 173.8 in.
Wheelbase : 103.7 in.
Overall Width : 68.8 in.
Height : 59.9 in.

[Chief7925]

Cheap speed is fun. That neon Srt-4 will still beat a mazdaspeed 3 stock on stock though, no matter what it looks like. In my honest opinion though i like the way they Srt-4 neon looks. As for the calibur Srt-4, i'm neutral towards it. I'd buy it if i drove it and liked it enough. Just wait till it comes out and try it out. Then see what your impressions are of it.

[Jesse MS3GT]

Im a former mazda6 owner. So I took two steps down on looks to go two steps up in performance :)

[CX-7owner]

IMO, the SRT4 NEON is a stripped down fugly unsafe little rocket, and based on what the caliber looks like inside, it will still be that. I would take a MS3 over that thing anyday, better interior, better crash test results, WAY better looks, limited production, better warranty, Did I say that MS3 looks WAY better? The regular three is at the top of its class, and the caliber is at the bottom.

[Donas64]

Boy the comparison tests are going to be heated when this car comes out. I certainly think the MS3 is better looking than the SRT Caliber, but I don't think the MS3 is a great looking car. The MS3 is also Cheap speed but with a touch of class there the Caliber seems to be missing that same level of class. But if the build quality is good and the chassis is competent and it manages to be cheaper as well, then the MS3 will finally have a worthy competitor.

These next few months are going to be fun indeed.

[CTGrey02]

Boy the comparison tests are going to be heated when this car comes out. I certainly think the MS3 is better looking than the SRT Caliber, but I don't think the MS3 is a great looking car. The MS3 is also Cheap speed but with a touch of class there the Caliber seems to be missing that same level of class. But if the build quality is good and the chassis is competent and it manages to be cheaper as well, then the MS3 will finally have a worthy competitor.

These next few months are going to be fun indeed.

Finding a cheap american car with class is going to be very difficult. We tend to value raw power and bigger, louder, gaudier. Our low end cars reflect that. In all honesty, I was considering a SRT-4 when they announced the Caliber version. (the neons were just gay.) I wasn't nuts about the scoops and wings though. The thing just screams PULL ME OVER and lacks any kind of stealth. It did however have the hatch and storage I needed. Unfortunately for them, they stalled on it and the MS3 was released. Cleaner looking, sharper looking, and full of utility and plenty quick enough for a daily driven beater. After driving a stock caliber, the interior and handling just dont compare to the stock 3's. They have a lot of catching up to do to successfully compete on all fronts. Hell they lowered the output to 280 from 300 HP. I'm sure there were control issues. I'll take our extra torque over their extra HP any day though.

[clos561]

Well atleast the MS3 is a rarer car then I'm sure this caliber is going to be. Everytime I drive around my town I always see at least one SRT4 driving around because it's cheap money for high performance, samething the caliber is going to end up being. There has been one other mazdaspeed 3 around here and I know the kid personally. MS3 to SRT4 Ratio 2/38 (notcool).

As for Specs:
Horsepower : 300 hp @ 6000 rpm
Torque : 260 lb-ft @ 2000 rpm
Redline : 6400 rpm

Top speed : 150 mph(estimated)
0-60 mph : 5.5 sec.
0-¼ mile : 14.0 sec @ 105.0 mph(estimated)
60-0 braking distance : 120 ft(estimated)
200 ft skidpad : 0.88 g(estimated)

Curb Weight : 3200 lbs(estimated)
Overall length : 173.8 in.
Wheelbase : 103.7 in.
Overall Width : 68.8 in.
Height : 59.9 in.
ive seen 3 others in my town, red,black, and silver

[jbiird317]

Hell they lowered the output to 280 from 300 HP. I'm sure there were control issues. I'll take our extra torque over their extra HP any day though.

very good point, what good is the extra power if you dont have a solid way of putting it to the pavement?? extra torque ftw

as for the overall comparison...in my opinion, the only thing the caliber wins on is price. Build quality of dodge is only so-so, they lack the creature comforts the ms3 has, the caliber's style is very blah, and after watching 3 of my family's chrysler built cars blow up at 100k miles, I will never be purchasing a chrysler product again

[Chiguy_2002]

dodge's dealer upgrades are way more than mazda..its a shame yea scions have so many little things u can add to the car more appearance than performance

Very true. I have an xB, and it is not very quick at all...


I think dictated by the age group purchasing the vehicles.

Very True again...


Excluding the 30~40+ buying the xB for its hauling prowess. *^_^*

Very True, but it is still not a very quick car at all. I'm looking at doing the turbo wagon mod...


That and there just isn't any power to get out of the 1.5L. Trust me I know! Full exhaust, cai, header gave you maybe 10hp.

I thought about that, but now I think I'm just going to forget getting any power out of it. Not worth it. It's time to do a turbo wagon mod...I heard Subaru makes some nice turbo wagons...(naughty)

I would take an MS3 over the Caliber SRT-4 any day...

[clos561]

turbo a tc..ive seen some pretty nice ones on you tube...

[We Are Ninja]

IMO, the SRT-4 isn't that bad looking for a cute-ute. That said, the only reason they're compared is because of their similar turbo'd horsepower.

The Caliber SRT-4 will be designed for those who live their life a quarter-mile at a time just like the Neon SRT-4 was. I'm not one for drag-racing, I think it's dumber and more simplistic than NASCAR, but whatever floats your boat.

The MS3 has a slightly different purpose. Mazda's whole "zoom-zoom" idealogy; an engaging drive. Spirited handling and vehicle dymanics and power that's matched to the chassis, not just power for the sake of power, etc.

I'm not being a fanboy, just calling it how I see it.

Two different cars with two different purposes, IMO.

[Donas64]

http://www.urbnet.com/Gear/calibersrt4.jpg

You know, tilted at an angle and lowered, its not terrible looking (peep)

[We Are Ninja]

^ So if it was mounted incorrectly on the back of an old-school tow truck, it'd look hAwt... LOL.

[Donas64]

^ So if it was mounted incorrectly on the back of an old-school tow truck, it'd look hAwt... LOL.

Exactly.

20K for the SRT Caliber and 25-30K for a tow truck and you've got yourself one bad ride!

[CTGrey02]

It's not bad looking sitting right side up in my opinion, it's just too much LOOK AT ME for a daily driven vehicle. Kinda like the park benches on the back of evo's and STi's.

[staples187]

It's not bad looking sitting right side up in my opinion, it's just too much LOOK AT ME for a daily driven vehicle. Kinda like the park benches on the back of evo's and STi's.

hahaha

[Donas64]

It's not bad looking sitting right side up in my opinion, it's just too much LOOK AT ME for a daily driven vehicle. Kinda like the park benches on the back of evo's and STi's.

Dude, those wings on the EVO and STi are for safety concerns. Without them generating all that downforce, the cars are so fast they would acheive escape velocity. Plus in a pinch they double as great ironing boards.

Late for an interview and your suits wrinkled? NO PROBLEM if you're driving an EVO or an STi

[CTGrey02]

Dude, those wings on the EVO and STi are for safety concerns. Without them generating all that downforce, the cars are so fast they would acheive escape velocity. Plus in a pinch they double as great ironing boards.

Late for an interview and your suits wrinkled? NO PROBLEM if you're driving an EVO or an STi

Now that's utility!

[sanblaster]

You know, tilted at an angle and lowered, its not terrible looking (peep)

Donas, do you like work for Dodge or something? You are advertising the crap out of this vehicle, lol.

[Hikaru9]

Donas, do you like work for Dodge or something? You are advertising the crap out of this vehicle, lol.

Nothing wrong with Americans supporting domestic products. The last three cars I bought for personal use were imports, but that's not important. *^_^*

[Kosh]

Nothing wrong with Americans supporting domestic products. The last three cars I bought for personal use were imports, but that's not important. *^_^*

Don't mind supporting domestic if it isn't shit but this car is up there with PT Cruiser and HHR for ugliest kid on the playground.

[Haltech]

Cheap speed is fun. That neon Srt-4 will still beat a mazdaspeed 3 stock on stock though, no matter what it looks like. In my honest opinion though i like the way they Srt-4 neon looks. As for the calibur Srt-4, i'm neutral towards it. I'd buy it if i drove it and liked it enough. Just wait till it comes out and try it out. Then see what your impressions are of it.

Funny.. I beat a SRT-4 with Exhaust with my car, brand new, straight from the dealer with 14 miles on the odometer. Show me a SRT-4 stock for stock, beating a MS3...

I also had a AMG SL500 by 2 fenders and a full car length on a 06 M3. Musta been luck (loser)

[redspeed]

http://www.urbnet.com/Gear/calibersrt4.jpg

You know, tilted at an angle and lowered, its not terrible looking (peep)

Now, Looking at that pic, it don't look that bad from the front, but the rear is terrible. I'm not even gona comment on the interior. (blarf) (notcool)

[Donas64]

Donas, do you like work for Dodge or something? You are advertising the crap out of this vehicle, lol.

They Promised me a nice discount on one if I shilled for them. I can get one for 10K off MSRP if I can convince people to buy one. Plus free oil changes for life.

I also work for Nintendo. They promised me a free Wii and unlimimted games if I push RE4.

All this plus being a member of TEAM SPEED LIMIT is really draining.

[Haltech]

Don't mind supporting domestic if it isn't shit but this car is up there with PT Cruiser and HHR for ugliest kid on the playground.

Everyone knows that engine is from Mistu, not dodge. Dodge cant make a 4 cyl to save their life. They might as well put a powered by Mistu emblem on it.

[Kosh]

Everyone knows that engine is from Mistu, not dodge. Dodge cant make a 4 cyl to save their life. They might as well put a powered by Mistu emblem on it.

Our engine is from Ford so what is your point?

[Donas64]

Funny.. I beat a SRT-4 with Exhaust with my car, brand new, straight from the dealer with 14 miles on the odometer. Show me a SRT-4 stock for stock, beating a MS3...

I also had a AMG SL500 by 2 fenders and a full car length on a 06 M3. Musta been luck (loser)

SRT-4 vs MS3 = Drivers Race

MS3 vs AMG SL500 = MS3 gets raped unless the AMG driver sucks horribly or didn't know you were racing. From a dig the MS3 might squirt ahead momentarily due to the AMG melting its rear meats, but it would rockey by shortly after. Not even close.

MS3 vs 06 M3 = M3 wins but it could be close. Good driver M3 should win every time.

[Donas64]

Our engine is from Ford so what is your point?

Mazda and Ford do share engines but the MS3's 2.3 DISI is exclusive to mazda and not used in any ford products.

[Kosh]

Mazda and Ford do share engines but the MS3's 2.3 DISI is exclusive to mazda and not used in any ford products.

Ford markets it as Duratec in Ford cars. We get longer intake mani, S-VT continuous valve timing and nicer headers compared to the fords though. But the 2.3L MZR is still a Duratec no matter what you call it.

[Haltech]

Our engine is from Ford so what is your point?

Follow the history of the Ford 2.3 and the word.. " Cosworth "... Im proud of my Ford engine.. This engine we have in this car was scheduled to go into the 06 SVT Focus...

And i have a powered by Ford decal already on the car.

so tell me what your point is again by calling the Neon SRT-4 a Domestic? Ill tell you right now, ive never seen any SRT-4 line up at the track when the Domestics are called... They line up with the Imports...

[Haltech]

SRT-4 vs MS3 = Drivers Race

MS3 vs AMG SL500 = MS3 gets raped unless the AMG driver sucks horribly or didn't know you were racing. From a dig the MS3 might squirt ahead momentarily due to the AMG melting its rear meats, but it would rockey by shortly after. Not even close.

MS3 vs 06 M3 = M3 wins but it could be close. Good driver M3 should win every time.


Oh i guess the guy didnt know how to drive than huh Jr? Well seeing as you dont own a MS3, how the hell can you tell me what a drivers race is? From judging your others post on this board, you might as well sit back and watch because you are fuckin clueless.

Go find me another SMG and come out to CA.. Ill show you how to drive...

[Kosh]

Follow the history of the Ford 2.3 and the word.. " Cosworth "... Im proud of my Ford engine.. This engine we have in this car was scheduled to go into the 06 SVT Focus...

And i have a powered by Ford decal already on the car.

so tell me what your point is again by calling the Neon SRT-4 a Domestic? Ill tell you right now, ive never seen any SRT-4 line up at the track when the Domestics are called... They line up with the Imports...

I'm not bashing the engine just saying it is ford/mazda's baby.

Dodge = Domestic company so whatever engine is in it, it is still a domestic car.

[benben84]

The engine in the new srt is a world engine, its a company that makes engines for motor companies, it is not made by mitsu or dodge.

Read this:
The 2007 Dodge Caliber is powered by a “World Engine” produced at the Global Engine Manufacturing Alliance (GEMA) facility in Dundee, Mich and is sold in Halifax, Nova Scotia. “The 2.4-liter turbocharged World Engine delivers a level of power you’d expect from a V-8,” said Pete Gladysz, Senior Manager – Powertrain, SRT. “With the engine in the 2007 Dodge Caliber SRT4, we were able to take advantage of tried-and-true performance improvements, such as increased cylinder-head flow and higher compression ratio, as well as newer technologies such as Variable Valve Timing (VVT).” (The 4.7 V8, even in High Output form, produces less power.)

The aluminum 2.4-liter World Engine block is specially machined for increased water and oil flow. Unique cast pistons travel within iron cylinder liners, and are cooled by oil squirters and affixed to forged connecting rods for high-revving reliability.

Tri-metal bearings are used for the connecting rods and crankshaft for high-performance durability. A unique oil pump/balance shaft module keeps the reciprocating assembly well-lubricated and running smoothly. An external cooler keeps oil temperatures within a safe range.

The aluminum cylinder head is equipped with unique high-temperature exhaust valves. VVT uses computer mapping to open and close intake and exhaust valves at optimal points for efficient combustion and flow. The camshaft and micro-alloy steel crankshaft, shared with the non-turbocharged 2.4-liter World Engine, are fully capable of high-horsepower loads.

Free-flow induction begins with an air cleaner assembly that draws through an opening in a front crossmember for proximity to cool air. The air is then compressed in a TD04 turbocharger specially configured for the engine’s inlet and outlet packaging requirements, and sent through an intercooler to a 57mm throttle body. (To clarify, the hood scoop is there to cool the engine and turbocharger. The WRX has an interesting alternative with the hood scoop cooling the intercooler!)

Fuel is provided by a high-flow pump feeding injectors developed specifically for the 2007 Dodge Caliber SRT4 in Halifax. An engine management system designed by Siemens -- the Global Powertrain Engine Controller -- keeps the powerplant running at maximum efficiency and power.

On the exhaust side, spent gas exits through a free-flow system that features two catalytic converters – one immediately downstream from the turbo, and another further along the 3-inch single-pipe exhaust system. Using two catalytic converters in this way provides significantly better “light-off” for decreased emissions. As with the previous-generation Dodge SRT4, the exhaust is tuned for maximum performance while meeting federal noise regulations.

Power is transferred through a dual-mass flywheel to the six-speed manual transmission. The dual-mass flywheel consists of two flywheels sandwiching internal springs that are specially tuned to reduce noise and vibration. The GF DMT-6 six-speed transmission, equipped with a limited-slip differential for uniform side-to-side power transfer, is capable of handling up to 300 lb.-ft. of torque.

Torque is sent to the Halifax Dodge Caliber SRT4’s wheels through equal-length halfshafts sourced from Chrysler Group mid-size cars for their larger size and power-handling capability.

[benben84]

As ugly as it is this thing will be capable of tons of power and since the tranny is a Getreg it will handle the power. BTW, for those that don't know, Getreg also made the infamous Supra TT 6-speed tranny which is capable of 1000+hp.

[Kosh]

Who cares if this car has 700hp and 800tq it is still ugly as piss and I wouldn't be caught dead in one :(

[benben84]

Who cares if this car has 700hp and 800tq it is still ugly as piss and I wouldn't be caught dead in one :(
True, I wouldn't buy one either BUT we should see huge numbers and one really fast ugly car. That and this should be a great powertrain to swap into a GOOD looking car like the MSP!! haha

[camrycev6]

I thought that the caliber was going to be AWD? WTF?!?!

They are NOT going to make the SRT in AWD. So yes, some Calibers are AWD...but the SRT will not be for this year. The AWD tranny couldn't handle the power, so they dumped the idea.

[Donas64]

Oh i guess the guy didnt know how to drive than huh Jr? Well seeing as you dont own a MS3, how the hell can you tell me what a drivers race is? From judging your others post on this board, you might as well sit back and watch because you are fuckin clueless.

Go find me another SMG and come out to CA.. Ill show you how to drive...

And there you go! I'll leave you to your own devices.

Next thing I know you'll be telling me your MS3 can beat an Enzo and because I don't own an MS3, I'll have to believe you.

Facts are facts guy. Everything I said is a fact. Not saying that its not possible. Heck your MS3 COULD beat an ENZO....if the Enzo driver never shifted out of first.

I like be MS3 but come back to reality my good man.

[sanblaster]

From judging your others post on this board, you might as well sit back and watch because you are fuckin clueless.


Actually one of the smartest guys on this forum when it comes to a lot of things.. Just relax bro. (drinks)

[Donas64]

Actually one of the smartest guys on this forum when it comes to a lot of things.. Just relax bro. (drinks)

Thanks for the vote of confidence sanblaster. Its not like I'm saying the MS3 is slow, I'm just stating that straight up, stock for stock and equal drivers there is NO WAY an MS3 beats an SL55 AMG in a drag race. Heck AMG benzes are ALL about going fast in a staight line.

Over 500 hp and over 500 Lb ft. , big sticky tires and RWD and you're telling me that a skilled driver can't beat an MS3? Gimme a break. sure the thing weighs a ton but good grief man.

[Haltech]

And there you go! I'll leave you to your own devices.

Next thing I know you'll be telling me your MS3 can beat an Enzo and because I don't own an MS3, I'll have to believe you.

Facts are facts guy. Everything I said is a fact. Not saying that its not possible. Heck your MS3 COULD beat an ENZO....if the Enzo driver never shifted out of first.

I like be MS3 but come back to reality my good man.

Check it out bible thumper, nothing you said is fact. Let me give you a little insight.. Torque + Low Weight = Power To Weight Ratio... When you learn that, ill allow you to spew more bullshit on these forums. I WILL have a low 12 second MS3 by years end if the tuning software gives me 100% complete ECU control.

[Haltech]

Actually one of the smartest guys on this forum when it comes to a lot of things.. Just relax bro. (drinks)

I beg to differ...

[TX Speed 6]

an ms3 beat a amg 500? M3 maybe, depends on the year... maybe... but come on!?!? Sorry man but I call:bs:

[Donas64]

Check it out bible thumper, nothing you said is fact. Let me give you a little insight.. Torque + Low Weight = Power To Weight Ratio... When you learn that, ill allow you to spew more bullshit on these forums. I WILL have a low 12 second MS3 by years end if the tuning software gives me 100% complete ECU control.

Yes bring my religion into a discussion about cars because thats relevant to the conversation. With each an every comment you make you ignorance becomes more and more obvious.

FACT: SL500 AMG is faster than MS3 in a staight line.

[div2]

an ms3 beat a amg 500? M3 maybe, depends on the year... maybe... but come on!?!? Sorry man but I call:bs:

No way does a MS3 beat a well-driven E46 M3-MT OR SMG II. Or an E90 335i, for that matter. That said, straight line speed isn't everything. On a fun to drive basis I'd rate the M3 first, MS3 next, and the 335i third.
And yes, I've driven all three. (laugh)

[Donas64]

an ms3 beat a amg 500? M3 maybe, depends on the year... maybe... but come on!?!? Sorry man but I call:bs:

Oh my Gosh, someone else with some common sense! I salute you sir!

I agree on the M3 being a close race too depending on year. M3's are a little light in the torque dept but even still they would have an edge. Still a drivers race, but in a straight up drag race, an stock AMG benz would eat an MS3 alive.

I understand power to weight and all it entails but numbers don't lie.

I could even give the MS3 driver the jump off the line due to the SL driver having to launch softer or risk obliterating his tires but the SL55 is slightly over a second faster in the quarter mile and if the race goes on any longer the MS3 would soon be a small spec in the rear view mirror of the benz.

Once again. I love the MS3 and would have no qualms about owning one but to say that its faster stock for stock than the AMG benz is just silly.

[sanblaster]

Check it out bible thumper, nothing you said is fact. Let me give you a little insight.. Torque + Low Weight = Power To Weight Ratio... When you learn that, ill allow you to spew more bullshit on these forums. I WILL have a low 12 second MS3 by years end if the tuning software gives me 100% complete ECU control.


Class act.

[Donas64]

No way does a MS3 beat a well-driven E46 M3-MT OR SMG II. Or an E90 335i, for that matter. That said, straight line speed isn't everything. On a fun to drive basis I'd rate the M3 first, MS3 next, and the 335i third.
And yes, I've driven all three. (laugh)

Oh I agree totally. Staight line speed is just one measure of a cars greatness. Even my Slowtege5 brings a smile to my face when I throw it into some curves and switchbacks and its by no means fast. But this man is saying that he beat an M3 and an SL55 AMG benz in a drag race which I agree is possible.....if the M3 driver and the SL driver both SUCK!

Not saying he didn't beat them, heck he just might have but I'm saying stock for stock with equal drivers those cars are faster than an MS3 and he's trying to tell me that I'm a bible thumper who's full of crap. (dunno) (scratch) (crazy)

[Haltech]

Oh I agree totally. Staight line speed is just one measure of a cars greatness. Even my Slowtege5 brings a smile to my face when I throw it into some curves and switchbacks and its by no means fast. But this man is saying that he beat an M3 and an SL55 AMG benz in a drag race which I agree is possible.....if the M3 driver and the SL driver both SUCK!

Not saying he didn't beat them, heck he just might have but I'm saying stock for stock with equal drivers those cars are faster than an MS3 and he's trying to tell me that I'm a bible thumper who's full of crap. (dunno) (scratch) (crazy)

Youre telling me im full of crap. I dont have any reason to lie to ANY of you.. Considering i have been racing for over 20 yrs for one and number 2, i KNOW how to drive. Thats like me telling you my lightning smokes everything thatr i come up against, yet you will tell me differently.. Never under-estimate a driver. But if you all believe it didnt happen, than i guess you are all correct...

As far as your religion goes, its in your sig... I dont need to see it... You put it there.

[sanblaster]

You know how many people I have whooped with my 92hp engine. Quite a bit. But I know for a fact the timing of most of the street lights in my area and they think I am pushing a lot of hp out of the car by means of looks so I lawl them in a false sense of security (Heard it on a show). I catch a lot of them off guard. Do I street race. Not really and when I gun it, I gun it until I reach the speed limit. The moral, I am not going to gloat about it or make a thread in the street kills thread because I know that 95% of the vehicles out there are faster than mine. Specs are specs mang. You can't argue that and most people don't need to beat you to prove they are faster. i.e people who drive vettes, etc. Their status talks.

[div2]

Oh I agree totally. Staight line speed is just one measure of a cars greatness. Even my Slowtege5 brings a smile to my face when I throw it into some curves and switchbacks and its by no means fast. But this man is saying that he beat an M3 and an SL55 AMG benz in a drag race which I agree is possible.....if the M3 driver and the SL driver both SUCK!


I had a chipped M6 making @320 hp at the flywheel prior to ordering my 140 hp Club Sport, and the Club Sport is just as much fun to drive. In fact, it made me a much better track driver since I didn't have a ton of hp to cover up my mistakes.
An E36 M3 and an MS3 would be pretty evenly matched, as contemporary road tests show similar acceleration times, not to mention nearly identical roadholding, slalom, and braking numbers. The best driver would win on the strip AND the road course.

[Haltech]

Oh I agree totally. Staight line speed is just one measure of a cars greatness. Even my Slowtege5 brings a smile to my face when I throw it into some curves and switchbacks and its by no means fast. But this man is saying that he beat an M3 and an SL55 AMG benz in a drag race which I agree is possible.....if the M3 driver and the SL driver both SUCK!

Not saying he didn't beat them, heck he just might have but I'm saying stock for stock with equal drivers those cars are faster than an MS3 and he's trying to tell me that I'm a bible thumper who's full of crap. (dunno) (scratch) (crazy)

i ran a 13.6 @ 89 MPH bone stock... 1.92 60 ft time... Track was slippery.. Best M3 ive seen run is a 13.3... On the street, he was toast. Slip the clutch on a 1700 RPM launch on the MS3 and the little guy catches traction real quick. Learning to drive your car at its maxed potential is key.

[Stamperman]

ugly styling, mini suv hotrod?, but, and I say BUT!!!, if they can get to sell this for under $20k , they might be in good standing as fas as sales. cant wait to see how the interior is gonna be. cheapo? very cheapo? very very cheapo? the latter being the more probable. also cant wait for numbers on this this. it does have crazy power though!!!!
does anyone know how many may be produced?


I had a new Avenger as rental car last week. The interior looked like it was designed and made by rubbermade. I don't have too much hope for the interior of this little Dodge. I did read in one of my car industry mags that Chrysler has hired a designer or put someone in charge to specifically to address their lackluster interiors. It will probably take at least 2 years before there are any real result to show.

[SwampAss]

Check it out bible thumper, nothing you said is fact. Let me give you a little insight.. Torque + Low Weight = Power To Weight Ratio... When you learn that, ill allow you to spew more bullshit on these forums. I WILL have a low 12 second MS3 by years end if the tuning software gives me 100% complete ECU control.


Whether it matters to you or not, lowering oneself to making incendiary comments about another person with whom you disagree shows a serious lack of couth.

[div2]

Whether it matters to you or not, lowering oneself to making incendiary comments about another person with whom you disagree shows a serious lack of couth.

Agreed.

[Haltech]

Whether it matters to you or not, lowering oneself to making incendiary comments about another person with whom you disagree shows a serious lack of couth.


3/4 of this board is pure flaming... Must be impossible for someone to beat out cars that others claim are just to fast. Especially those people who think M3s are fast. Fast is 910 pounds of torque...

[redspeed]

Ford markets it as Duratec in Ford cars. We get longer intake mani, S-VT continuous valve timing and nicer headers compared to the fords though. But the 2.3L MZR is still a Duratec no matter what you call it.

Actually it was designed BY MAZDA with assistance from Ford. Ford dropped its original zeta zetec engine to use the Mazda design. Ford call the Mazda MZR engine Duratec 20 and Duratec 23.
Sooooooo........ No, its NOT powered by Ford. (no)

You are right about the intake, S-VT valve timing and headers. (thumb)



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_Z_engine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Duratec_engine

[SwampAss]

3/4 of this board is pure flaming... Must be impossible for someone to beat out cars that others claim are just to fast. Especially those people who think M3s are fast. Fast is 910 pounds of torque...


I am in the 1/4 that doesn't flame. If you are using the 3/4ths argument to justify why you said what you said, that's weak sauce. I think you have a lot of expertise to offer (given the performance of your previous vehicles and your ability to drive them) and would hate to see that ruined with animosity towards others. Especially when it's relatively unprovoked.

[Haltech]

I am in the 1/4 that doesn't flame. If you are using the 3/4ths argument to justify why you said what you said, that's weak sauce. I think you have a lot of expertise to offer (given the performance of your previous vehicles and your ability to drive them) and would hate to see that ruined with animosity towards others. Especially when it's relatively unprovoked.

It was provoked on the basis of the response from the inexperienced children among the owners. Ill apologize for my attack of his religious faith, that i can do.. However, i wont apologize to any of these little assholes who talk like they know what fact is fact. If any MS3 owners live in my area, meet up with me... Ill give you the ride of your life.

Next stop... CS Downpipe, GHL Exhaust, TMIC...

Once i get a pnp tuning solution, turbo upgrade.

[div2]

However, i wont apologize to any of these little assholes who talk like they know what fact is fact. If any MS3 owners live in my area, meet up with me... Ill give you the ride of your life.

Why not bring your MS3 to a BMW CCA HPDE and see how M3s you can blow off?

[benben84]

If any MS3 owners live in my area, meet up with me... Ill give you the ride of your life.

(butthump)














just kidding. I figured it would be funny and break up the argument. PEACE!!

[Donas64]

I had a chipped M6 making @320 hp at the flywheel prior to ordering my 140 hp Club Sport, and the Club Sport is just as much fun to drive. In fact, it made me a much better track driver since I didn't have a ton of hp to cover up my mistakes.
An E36 M3 and an MS3 would be pretty evenly matched, as contemporary road tests show similar acceleration times, not to mention nearly identical roadholding, slalom, and braking numbers. The best driver would win on the strip AND the road course.

Once again, no argument from me there, although I think stock for stock and equal drivers an M3 would have the edge especially on a road course. But for what it is, the MS3 is a heck of a car.

[Donas64]

Youre telling me im full of crap. I dont have any reason to lie to ANY of you.. Considering i have been racing for over 20 yrs for one and number 2, i KNOW how to drive. Thats like me telling you my lightning smokes everything thatr i come up against, yet you will tell me differently.. Never under-estimate a driver. But if you all believe it didnt happen, than i guess you are all correct...

As far as your religion goes, its in your sig... I dont need to see it... You put it there.

I make no bones about my faith but I didn't say that the Benz was faster than your MS3 because Jesus told me so. I was arguing about facts not faith.

Once again I don't deny that youbeat those other drivers. Bravo on beating them but what I am saying once again for the last time is wether you like it or not, stock for stock, their cars are faster than yours which you say is not true.

Hey man, I wish you much success in modding your car. I hope it eventually runs a 10 sec quarter if thats your wish. But trying to insult me and my faith for just stating what is a fact thats as plain as the nose on your face is just silly.

[Donas64]

(butthump)














just kidding. I figured it would be funny and break up the argument. PEACE!!

peace indeed! :)(thumb)

[Haltech]

Why not bring your MS3 to a BMW CCA HPDE and see how M3s you can blow off?

You know, ive never met a BMW club that was worth hanging out with... I dont think ill have a problem blowing off very many Beemers.. You speak as if those cars are actually fast.. Do you know what a fast car really is?

[Haltech]

I make no bones about my faith but I didn't say that the Benz was faster than your MS3 because Jesus told me so. I was arguing about facts not faith.

Once again I don't deny that youbeat those other drivers. Bravo on beating them but what I am saying once again for the last time is wether you like it or not, stock for stock, their cars are faster than yours which you say is not true.

Hey make, I wish you much success in modding your car. I hope it eventually runs a 10 sec quarter if thats your wish. But trying to insult me and my faith for just stating what is a fact thats as plain as the nose on your face is just silly.

Welp, theres a thing called Murphy's law... just because a scientific calculation says it should be beat, doesnt mean its going to happen... Besides the fact, my car was stock for about a week.. At this point in time, the games on. Again, im sorry for beating down your religious praise of the lord(beer)

[Mazdamia]

My opinion of cheapish/fast car owners:

-Mazdaspeed/MS3=Classy (or should be)
-VW GTI=Classy
-Caliber SRT-4=Trashy
-Neon SRT-4=Slightly less trashy
-Cobalt SS-Normal
-WRX-Normal
-Civic Si=Ass Hole
-Ion Red line=The trashiest of them all...by FAR!

Purely opinion, except for the Saturn. That is a FACT.

[Hikaru9]

It was provoked on the basis of the response from the inexperienced children among the owners. Ill apologize for my attack of his religious faith, that i can do.. However, i wont apologize to any of these little assholes who talk like they know what fact is fact. If any MS3 owners live in my area, meet up with me... Ill give you the ride of your life.

Next stop... CS Downpipe, GHL Exhaust, TMIC...

Once i get a pnp tuning solution, turbo upgrade.

What everyone is saying is that regardless of your level of knowledge and superior driving skills, calling others, who are simply expressing their opinions, "inexperienced children", "assholes", "Bible thumper" etc. portrays an immature character on your behalf.

If you can't see that yourself, I honestly don't believe you will enjoy your stay for long. *^_^*

[div2]

You know, ive never met a BMW club that was worth hanging out with... I dont think ill have a problem blowing off very many Beemers.. You speak as if those cars are actually fast.. Do you know what a fast car really is?

Just as I suspected; you can only go fast in a straight line. And you compensate for that by insulting anyone and everyone who disagrees with you.
Nice.

[Donas64]

My opinion of cheapish/fast car owners:

-Mazdaspeed/MS3=Classy (or should be) - Mostly True, there are some exceptions. Sometime, some of these guys resemble the SRT 4 and Civic Si guys in terms of attitude. To tick them off, just mention motor mounts


-VW GTI=Classy - More like snobby. Think their gods gift to the hot hatch nation. Once again just my opinion. This goes double for R32 owners. To tick them off, just ask them about their electrical systems.

-Caliber SRT-4=Trashy - Can't make an assesment yet as the car is not released. Its SUV-ish design might attract a more mature customer. To tick them off, talk about ride height and tupperware

-Neon SRT-4=Slightly less trashy - True, but most of the time thier rides can back it up. Although they do tend to tell tall tales of walking Enzos, Carerra GT's, Bugatti Veyrons. To tick them off, talk about power windows.

-Cobalt SS-Normal - Actually most Cobalt SS owners I know are nice guys. They know the limits of their ride and some of them put down killer numbers and look dead stock. Don't see a lot of them around here though. To tick them off talk about the chevy cavalier.

-WRX-Normal - Pretty nice guys also. Rode in a hella fast Modded STi when I worked at a dealership. Eye opening experience. To tick them off, talk about Evo owners.

-Civic Si=Ass Hole - Pretty much no argument here. To tick them off, mention the word Torque.

-Ion Red line=The trashiest of them all...by FAR! - Don't know any of these guys
Purely opinion, except for the Saturn. That is a FACT.

Made some amendments. And you forgot these guys

Evo Owners = Almost worse than Civic SI owners except their cars are actually fast. Tend to have inflated egos although there are a lot of nice and very knowledgeable Evo guys out there. To tick them off, talk about STi guys

MSP Owners = Best guys/gals EVAR! Most loveable, honorable bunch of guys of people you'd ever hope to share a forum with. And I'm not just saying this beacause I'm a fellow mazda owner (peep). To tick them off mention zoom zoom boom!


And I woul be remiss not to mention us P5 guys: We don't really talk much because or cars are slow (with some very very fast exceptions) but we take solace in knowing we drive the best looking mazdas around and that all our fellow forum members are jealous of our wagons hawtness. To tick us of mention that 99% of cars on the road including that dodge grand caravan in the left lane are faster than we are.(braindead

[Donas64]

What everyone is saying is that regardless of your level of knowledge and superior driving skills, calling others, who are simply expressing their opinions, "inexperienced children", "assholes", "Bible thumper" etc. portrays an immature character on your behalf.

If you can't see that yourself, I honestly don't believe you will enjoy your stay for long. *^_^*

The dog in your sig is adorable!

[Hikaru9]

The dog in your sig is adorable!

He's Happy (like the owner), and I have other pictures of him in the pet thread. (off topic) *^_^*

[Haltech]

Just as I suspected; you can only go fast in a straight line. And you compensate for that by insulting anyone and everyone who disagrees with you.
Nice.

Oh, so youre saying because a person is in a BMW track club, they are superior drivers now and so are their cars? LOL... I raced mustangs in open track for years... i got one word for ya.. " GR-40 "...

[Haltech]

What everyone is saying is that regardless of your level of knowledge and superior driving skills, calling others, who are simply expressing their opinions, "inexperienced children", "assholes", "Bible thumper" etc. portrays an immature character on your behalf.

If you can't see that yourself, I honestly don't believe you will enjoy your stay for long. *^_^*


Re-read.. the word " FACT " was used... not.. opinion.

[Hikaru9]

Re-read.. the word " FACT " was used... not.. opinion.

I'd rather read the U.S. Geological Survey Coastal Science Monthly than to read pointless arguments on an online forum.

I believe the point I was desperately trying to get across was, "chill out a little." *^_^*

These "my car is faster than yours" threads have been around since the dawn of the car enthusiasts forums. When some of the people have used the word "fact", they were probably basing their argument on the fundamental laws of physics. While there are many factors contributing to the overall performance of a vehicle - power, weight, gearing, drag coefficiency, type of tires, the list goes on and on - given the similar conditions in a controlled environment, the outcome will be heavily based on the vehicle's power to weight ratio. That is to say that if my car weighs 3100lbs and your car weighs 3300lbs, but my car has 263HP and yours has over 330HP, given the situation your car will "always" be faster. In the world of science, when something consistently has the same outcome, it becomes a law. No one questions the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics because that's the way it always is - try having a debate with an evolutionist with that one. Therefore, if I wanted to use a strong wording such as "facts", I'd want to base it on solid laws of physics like the example I just mentioned.

Notice I wrote "a controlled" environment. If I were to race Michael Shumaker in an RSX (my last car) with my MS3 around the Nurburgring, I'd bet that he will undoubtly leave a huge gap even with the slower vehicle. No one would question that based on the light year difference in our skills. Take those same cars to a quarter mile drag race again with Mr. Shumaker. He may drive Ferrari F1 cars, but my MS3 has a much better chance of winning this one soley based on the laws of physics. Now... if I can just get him to come out and run laps around the track with me, that'd be awesome. *^_^*

[Donas64]

I'd rather read the U.S. Geological Survey Coastal Science Monthly than to read pointless arguments on an online forum.

I believe the point I was desperately trying to get across was, "chill out a little." *^_^*

These "my car is faster than yours" threads have been around since the dawn of the car enthusiasts forums. When some of the people have used the word "fact", they were probably basing their argument on the fundamental laws of physics. While there are many factors contributing to the overall performance of a vehicle - power, weight, gearing, drag coefficiency, type of tires, the list goes on and on - given the similar conditions in a controlled environment, the outcome will be heavily based on the vehicle's power to weight ratio. That is to say that if my car weighs 3100lbs and your car weighs 3300lbs, but my car has 263HP and yours has over 330HP, given the situation your car will "always" be faster. In the world of science, when something consistently has the same outcome, it becomes a law. No one questions the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics because that's the way it always is - try having a debate with an evolutionist with that one. Therefore, if I wanted to use a strong wording such as "facts", I'd want to base it on solid laws of physics like the example I just mentioned.

Notice I wrote "a controlled" environment. If I were to race Michael Shumaker in an RSX (my last car) with my MS3 around the Nurburgring, I'd bet that he will undoubtly leave a huge gap even with the slower vehicle. No one would question that based on the light year difference in our skills. Take those same cars to a quarter mile drag race again with Mr. Shumaker. He may drive Ferrari F1 cars, but my MS3 has a much better chance of winning this one soley based on the laws of physics. Now... if I can just get him to come out and run laps around the track with me, that'd be awesome. *^_^*

I hear he's free on tuesdays!

[Rotary_Powered]

Made some amendments. And you forgot these guys

Evo Owners = Almost worse than Civic SI owners except their cars are actually fast. Tend to have inflated egos although there are a lot of nice and very knowledgeable Evo guys out there. To tick them off, talk about STi guys

MSP Owners = Best guys/gals EVAR! Most loveable, honorable bunch of guys of people you'd ever hope to share a forum with. And I'm not just saying this beacause I'm a fellow mazda owner (peep). To tick them off mention zoom zoom boom!


And I woul be remiss not to mention us P5 guys: We don't really talk much because or cars are slow (with some very very fast exceptions) but we take solace in knowing we drive the best looking mazdas around and that all our fellow forum members are jealous of our wagons hawtness. To tick us of mention that 99% of cars on the road including that dodge grand caravan in the left lane are faster than we are.(braindead

LOL you need to talk to some RX-7 owners:

RX-7 FC, down to earth- A good group of people, usually work hard on their cars. Very knowledgeable, most generally learn the ins and outs of rotary, most of these guys are very cool. You will find the occasional owner with RWD superiority complex and who think they can drift. To piss them off just mention V8 swaps and torque.

RX-7 FD, think they are God's gift- These guys think that cars were built by the hands of God or Chuck Norris. They're as bad or worse than the Neon SRT-4 guys. They DO have fast cars but the attitude that comes along with in is not cool, FD's are expensive so these guys usually have some cash. With a few cool owners as exceptions. To piss them off just mention Zoom Zoom Boom or reliability, suggesting a V8 swap should work as well.

RX-8 FE, either clueless or cool- These guys come in two types those that thought the RX-8 looks cool and bought just because it's a sports car, they don't know anything about rotary engines and they soon run the engine out of oil. Then their are the cool guys, who always wanted an RX-7 but needed something practical, or wanted something that handled very well, was quick, had a couple of backs seats, and LOVES the sounds of rotary at 9,000 rpms. To piss these guys off say oil pcm recall, as them about torque works well, as does mentioning the 350z.

[Hikaru9]

I hear he's free on tuesdays!

In what country does he live again? o_O


RX-7 FD, think they are God's gift- These guys think that cars were built by the hands of God or Chuck Norris.

FD owners = Jesus? -_-a

Chuck Norris is my hero! ^_^v

[TX Speed 6]

anyways... do you all think that dodge will stay in the price range they've talked about for the SRT-4 once released? Is this set in stone anywhere? I'm not sure how dodge is about keeping true to their word on price, but I figure its going to be a scenario like the MS3, dealerships easily taking at sticker and above.

(i haven't read this entire thread from the beginnnig, so if I missed this already, let me know)

[Hikaru9]

anyways... do you all think that dodge will stay in the price range they've talked about for the SRT-4 once released? Is this set in stone anywhere? I'm not sure how dodge is about keeping true to their word on price, but I figure its going to be a scenario like the MS3, dealerships easily taking at sticker and above.

(i haven't read this entire thread from the beginnnig, so if I missed this already, let me know)

That will largely depend on its availability and whether people actually buy them or not, but initially I bet you're correct about the dealerships trying to hike the prices.

[We Are Ninja]

Made some amendments. And you forgot these guys

Evo Owners = Almost worse than Civic SI owners except their cars are actually fast. Tend to have inflated egos although there are a lot of nice and very knowledgeable Evo guys out there. To tick them off, talk about STi guys

MSP Owners = Best guys/gals EVAR! Most loveable, honorable bunch of guys of people you'd ever hope to share a forum with. And I'm not just saying this beacause I'm a fellow mazda owner (peep). To tick them off mention zoom zoom boom!


And I woul be remiss not to mention us P5 guys: We don't really talk much because or cars are slow (with some very very fast exceptions) but we take solace in knowing we drive the best looking mazdas around and that all our fellow forum members are jealous of our wagons hawtness. To tick us of mention that 99% of cars on the road including that dodge grand caravan in the left lane are faster than we are.(braindead

(lol) I actually LOL'd. P5 owners FTW.

Seriously peoples, how can we be having "heated" discussions comparing an existing car with one that NO ONE HAS EVER DRIVEN... This thread will be a moot point after the two cars drag race and all the cupholders are counted.

[Kosh]

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[Donas64]

MS6 Owners = Also a nice group of guys. Have a love for AWD thus their choice in rides but tend to be far more mature than their EVO and STi bretheren. They also tend to be very cautious about modding their cars and they are erlativly new and some of them are putting down big numbers. To tick them off, mention leaky turbo seals and white smoke from the tailpipes.

Anyone got some of their own.

[clos561]

i raced a m3 and stayed next to him two times that we raced off a roll...i was stock at the time....sl500 runs slower quarter mile than ms3 and i could see a well driven ms3 beating a sl500 off a roll only by a little

[misbehave]

Time for me to post this again:
http://home.comcast.net/~wisdomsword/vs.jpg

[jam_asian85]

LMAO !!! to the post above ... lol

[Kosh]

mmmmmmm curves :)

So far at work I have seen 2 calibers, 1 HHR and 0 mazda 3's out the window :(

[M3_Zoom]

Well atleast the MS3 is a rarer car then I'm sure this caliber is going to be. Everytime I drive around my town I always see at least one SRT4 driving around because it's cheap money for high performance, samething the caliber is going to end up being. There has been one other mazdaspeed 3 around here and I know the kid personally. MS3 to SRT4 Ratio 2/38 (notcool).

As for Specs:
Horsepower : 300 hp @ 6000 rpm
Torque : 260 lb-ft @ 2000 rpm
Redline : 6400 rpm

Top speed : 150 mph(estimated)
0-60 mph : 5.5 sec.
0-¼ mile : 14.0 sec @ 105.0 mph(estimated)
60-0 braking distance : 120 ft(estimated)
200 ft skidpad : 0.88 g(estimated)

Curb Weight : 3200 lbs(estimated)
Overall length : 173.8 in.
Wheelbase : 103.7 in.
Overall Width : 68.8 in.
Height : 59.9 in.


Staples187, your specs are incorrect. What you posted are the original "estimated" specs when Dodge decided to mention they will build the SRT-4 Caliber. The lastest posted specs by Dodge are HP = 280 and Torque 260.

Regardless, with the SRT-4 Caliber having only 17HP more than the MS3 and having 20 less ft/lbs of torque than the MS3, it will be interesting considering they both have throttle controlled boost etc.

[Donas64]

i raced a m3 and stayed next to him two times that we raced off a roll...i was stock at the time....sl500 runs slower quarter mile than ms3 and i could see a well driven ms3 beating a sl500 off a roll only by a little

Remember we are talking about an SL500 AMG not regular SL500. Do you have the numbers to prove that?

[SwampAss]

Remember we are talking about an SL500 AMG not regular MS3.

[Donas64]

fixed thanks!

[clos561]

Remember we are talking about an SL500 AMG not regular SL500. Do you have the numbers to prove that?


this one runs high 14's
SL500: 4,966cc V8 petrol 5-speed automatic: 228kW (306bhp) at 5,600 rpm; 460Nm (339 lb ft) torque at 2,700–4,250 rpm.

this one runs 13.0
SL 55 AMG: 5,439cc V8 petrol 5-speed automatic: 355kW (476bhp) at 6,100 rpm; 516Nm (142 lb ft) torque at 2,650–4,500 rpm.



SL500 5-speed auto: 0-60 6.0 seconds; top speed 155 mph (electronically limited); combined mpg 22.2; CO2 emissions 304g/km. Insurance Group 20A.

SL55 AMG 5-speed auto: 0-60 4.5 seconds; top speed 155 mph (electronically limited); combined mpg 19.9; CO2 emissions 340g/km. Insurance Group 20A.

[controlo]

an advertised 13.0 is a lot faster than an advertised 14.4 (ms3)

[Kosh]

this one runs high 14's
SL500: 4,966cc V8 petrol 5-speed automatic: 228kW (306bhp) at 5,600 rpm; 460Nm (339 lb ft) torque at 2,700–4,250 rpm.

this one runs 13.0
SL 55 AMG: 5,439cc V8 petrol 5-speed automatic: 355kW (476bhp) at 6,100 rpm; 516Nm (142 lb ft) torque at 2,650–4,500 rpm.



SL500 5-speed auto: 0-60 6.0 seconds; top speed 155 mph (electronically limited); combined mpg 22.2; CO2 emissions 304g/km. Insurance Group 20A.

SL55 AMG 5-speed auto: 0-60 4.5 seconds; top speed 155 mph (electronically limited); combined mpg 19.9; CO2 emissions 340g/km. Insurance Group 20A.

Wow that AMG SL55 is torque retarded... 516Nm is 380 lb-ft :)

[clos561]

an advertised 13.0 is a lot faster than an advertised 14.4 (ms3)
14.2 advertised? plus amg is 100k+ ms3 23k....few mods and it will beat one stock (serious mods)

[Karma_hunden]

Srt-4 Pwn5 73h Ms3 F0r3v4r!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[eviltwinkie]

RX-8 FE, either clueless or cool- These guys come in two types those that thought the RX-8 looks cool and bought just because it's a sports car, they don't know anything about rotary engines and they soon run the engine out of oil. Then their are the cool guys, who always wanted an RX-7 but needed something practical, or wanted something that handled very well, was quick, had a couple of backs seats, and LOVES the sounds of rotary at 9,000 rpms. To piss these guys off say oil pcm recall, as them about torque works well, as does mentioning the 350z.

Meh, not so much for me...Guess perhaps I'm knowledgeable and happy with my purchase...I did however do my homework ahead of time...I also did not want to be under my car more often then I was driving it like the old skewl rotards...haa haa

;)

[JD32883]

Ugly, and also ugly. Just think how much it is going to wiegh..... Fast I really dont think it will be a factor. Sorry..... GO MS3

[Donas64]

Wow that AMG SL55 is torque retarded... 516Nm is 380 lb-ft :)

Even 380 sounds low for an AMG benz. The old supercharged models put out 500 lb ft and more.

The newer NA engines are over 400 Lb ft. I believe. I'll have to look that the AMG website.

[importgirl212]

i have no ruling on the caliber until it comes out...till then my ms3 is better, and definetly better looking....it's too ugly to even start boasting about.

[controlo]

14.2 advertised? plus amg is 100k+ ms3 23k....few mods and it will beat one stock (serious mods)

nobody said the AMG was cheaper than the MS3. even if the MS3 was faster, its still an MS3, not an AMG. i don't know about you but i'd rather have the AMG. if you wanna bring up prices, i can have a car for about $4-$5,000 that would rape our cars.

[Kosh]

nobody said the AMG was cheaper than the MS3. even if the MS3 was faster, its still an MS3, not an AMG. i don't know about you but i'd rather have the AMG. if you wanna bring up prices, i can have a car for about $4-$5,000 that would rape our cars.

What? $5,000 car that can beat our cars? You talking new? I'm sure you can find plenty of used cars that are better than our cars. What is up with people leaving these half retarded posts that are left open and don't have anything useful to comment on topic :(

[Donas64]

What? $5,000 car that can beat our cars? You talking new? I'm sure you can find plenty of used cars that are better than our cars. What is up with people leaving these half retarded posts that are left open and don't have anything useful to comment on topic :(

The benefits of free speech! :)

[SwampAss]

I have an $1800 bike that will mop everything in this thread! I can buy a $130 one way ticket to Las Vegas and go 500 knots!

[clos561]

4-5 thousand would run 12's in our cars are u kidding me?

[controlo]

jeezus. no i'm not kidding you. i'm sure we could beat an AMG if we put a couple grand in our cars. but at the end of the day, its still a mazdaspeed3. just like a supra can beat a ferrari, but at the end of the day, that guy still has a ferrari. it's not all about being fast. if it were, why didn't you just buy a street bike? or you could buy a civic hatch shell and slap a k20a in it and run 13.1 all day long for about 5 g-units.

[div2]

jeezus. no i'm not kidding you. i'm sure we could beat an AMG if we put a couple grand in our cars. but at the end of the day, its still a mazdaspeed3. just like a supra can beat a ferrari, but at the end of the day, that guy still has a ferrari. it's not all about being fast. if it were, why didn't you just buy a street bike? or you could buy a civic hatch shell and slap a k20a in it and run 13.1 all day long for about 5 g-units.

Yeah, my 1996 Triumph is slow compared to modern literbikes, but it still runs an 11.00 second quarter-which is fast enough to toast over 99% of today's street driven cars. There are always going to be cars faster than your own car, some cheaper, some more expensive.
Unless you've got a Bugatti Veyron stashed in the garage...(wow)

[Donas64]

Yeah, my 1996 Triumph is slow compared to modern literbikes, but it still runs an 11.00 second quarter-which is fast enough to toast over 99% of today's street driven cars. There are always going to be cars faster than your own car, some cheaper, some more expensive.
Unless you've got a Bugatti Veyron stashed in the garage...(wow)

Then the only thing you'd have to fear is militart aircraft.

[div2]

Good point- LOL!!!

[SwampAss]

Yeah, my 1996 Triumph is slow compared to modern literbikes, but it still runs an 11.00 second quarter-which is fast enough to toast over 99% of today's street driven cars. There are always going to be cars faster than your own car, some cheaper, some more expensive.
Unless you've got a Bugatti Veyron stashed in the garage...(wow)


Nice scoot. That's the first year for the 6 speed I think. Right? I have an 06 1050 Sprint ST ABS

[Karma_hunden]

yes and military aircrafts fear NASA experimental aircraft. And NASA experimental aircrafts fear UFOs.

UFOs PWN!

[div2]

Nice scoot. That's the first year for the 6 speed I think. Right? I have an 06 1050 Sprint ST ABS

Thanks! Those Sprints are also great bikes.

[controlo]

Yeah, my 1996 Triumph is slow compared to modern literbikes, but it still runs an 11.00 second quarter-which is fast enough to toast over 99% of today's street driven cars. There are always going to be cars faster than your own car, some cheaper, some more expensive.
Unless you've got a Bugatti Veyron stashed in the garage...(wow)

Bugatti FTW!

[redspeed]

Bugatti Veyron top speed track lap:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lHcfXZbzjA

[clos561]

jeezus. no i'm not kidding you. i'm sure we could beat an AMG if we put a couple grand in our cars. but at the end of the day, its still a mazdaspeed3. just like a supra can beat a ferrari, but at the end of the day, that guy still has a ferrari. it's not all about being fast. if it were, why didn't you just buy a street bike? or you could buy a civic hatch shell and slap a k20a in it and run 13.1 all day long for about 5 g-units.
id rather drive a ms3, bike = proly gona die soon, civic hatch = really geee

[clos561]

bugatti is the best car, isnt it like 1.7 million?

[Kosh]

The video says tires and fuel last less than 20 minutes at top speed (shocked)

MS3 can pass while it is at the tire store or gas station :)

[clos561]

tires melt or something thats so crazy

[whitey4311]

Holly shit!

I want to see a tire pop at that speed then see how bad ass that car really is. Best have an ejection seat with it.

[clos561]

for 1.7 million it better turn into a mini chopper or some shit

[CX-7owner]

This thread has gone so far off topic.

[clos561]

yea well the whole srt-4 vs ms3 has been covred in the previous pages..not much more to talk about really, jsut wait and see when they hit the streets

[eddienyny]

Official Dodge Caliber SRT-4 Specs are out:



- 2.4L DOHC 16V Dual VVT 4-cylinder intercooled/turbocharged World Engine with 280hp @ 6000-6400rpm, 260 lb-ft torque @ 200-5600rpm.
- 0-60mph = 6.2 seconds
- 1/4 mile = 14.6 seconds
- Top speed = 157mph
- The SRT-4 will have a choice of two different 19" 5-spoke rims, the painted ones like on current SRT's, and the chrome ones.
- Final colours that are offered are brilliant black, sunburst orange, bright silver and inferno red (So no new colours like we'd hoped for the SRT).
The front driver seat FOLDS FLAT.

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/07/23/300hp-no-more-official-specs-for-dodge-caliber-srt-4/

[nvmsp]

The challege for the MSP was the Neon Srt-4. The challege for the ms3 is the Caliber srt-4. All I gotta say is good luck!

Dodge always drops their turbo cars after Mazda and yet still makes them ugly, why?

[SPEED305]

280hp@ 6000-6400rpm! damn, that sounds good. i would love to see that on a dyno curve, seeing the hp peak for a few rpms!
but these people just make it on the wrong car! i wonder whats gonna happen with the next neon.

[controlo]

those specs do sound good. those 19's aren't going to help it any though...

[Donas64]

I absolutly cannot wait for the MS3 vs SRT4 Caliber comparos. Heres hoping for a good fight. Honestly I think the SRT4 will look better in person than it does in pictures.

[Donas64]

those specs do sound good. those 19's aren't going to help it any though...

But they'll look good! :)

[controlo]

But they'll look good! :)

haha, yup. our wheels put me in the same situation. i know they weigh a ton but i think they look excellent. then again the OZ ultraleggeras are pretty amazing on our cars. i just don't have 1,300 for wheels.

[elderlycoffee]

i want it's hood on my MS3

[TonyBSRT]

I absolutly cannot wait for the MS3 vs SRT4 Caliber comparos. Heres hoping for a good fight. Honestly I think the SRT4 will look better in person than it does in pictures.


I think the MS3 will get the new SRT4(idhitit). I'm really disappointed in it myself and think they could have done a much better job. I'm glad I bought my SRT when I did. And the MS3 looks much better too!