XEDE vs CPE EMS

[Rican219]

Goods? Bads? Ugly?

Not bashing either product but what makes one better then the other and why?

[Japan8]

Wait and see.

XEDE seems to be running great for some and not for others who were really early with it.

Supposedly CPE can do more (control more)... *shrug*

See what issues do and don't arise with them over time... when people have got a few thousand miles one them. And HOPEFULLY there'll be COBB before them end of the year...

[dadasracecar]

CPE can control everything the XEDE can plus fuel pressure. Also, the PID boost control on the CPE is the most sophisticated boost control method on the market. Finally there are two maps on the CPE which allow for switching for track or daily driving/valet, etc.

[RevLimitLaunch]

cpe i believe can also control the throttle position. which is a HUGE deal.

[www.cp-e.com]

cpe i believe can also control the throttle position. which is a HUGE deal.


Not yet unfortunately :(


But we're working on it!


Jordan

[palmbeachboost]

Not yet unfortunately :(


But we're working on it!


Jordan


I just ordered the CPE EMS for my ms6 the other day will there be a updated version for the original when u get a throttle position working.

and can these cars handle 17psi to red line with your unit tuning this car?

[jdub260]

I just ordered the CPE EMS for my ms6 the other day will there be a updated version for the original when u get a throttle position working.

and can these cars handle 17psi to red line with your unit tuning this car?

Read this whole thread

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123659002

[Koenig]

Finally there are two maps on the CPE which allow for switching for track or daily driving/valet, etc.


I thought I read that the XEDE has a 2 map option as well?

I know XEDE is coming out with a harness....... does CPE have a harness or I have to solder/splice that sucker on?


I'm waiting for a piggyback (2thumbs) don't care if it's CP-E XEDE, or Joe Momma..... just a good piggyback.

[Nutari]

I thought I read that the XEDE has a 2 map option as well?

I know XEDE is coming out with a harness....... does CPE have a harness or I have to solder/splice that sucker on?


I'm waiting for a piggyback (2thumbs) don't care if it's CP-E XEDE, or Joe Momma..... just a good piggyback.
XEDE does have a two map bank option as well.

Both so far are wire in.

[Koenig]

bleh, I don't really want a wire in........more reason I'm waiting for the COBB.......unless XEDE or CP-E can come up with a way to piggyback the ecu....

[Klip]

Not yet unfortunately :(


But we're working on it!


Jordan

Back to work YOU(smash)

Seriously, thanks CP-E keep it up..........(rockon)

[Rican219]

I also don't want a to Hard wire in. I want to be able to unplug it if I have to take into the dealership for something I can't fix.
Now when CPE makes it so I can just unplug it then I'm game.

[Captain KRM P5]

CPE can control everything the XEDE can plus fuel pressure.

its more correct to say that CPE manipulates fuel control by changing fuel pressure where XEDE manipulates fuel control via MAF sensor signals, not that one system has that feature over the other.

[Koenig]

I think the vital question is.......which one gives more gains?

[www.cp-e.com]

its more correct to say that CPE manipulates fuel control by changing fuel pressure where XEDE manipulates fuel control via MAF sensor signals, not that one system has that feature over the other.


Actually, the Standback has the capability to control fuel either by MAF voltage scaling or fuel pressure manipulation. We wanted to include both options in case someone still prefers to tune using the MAF. You could even use both fuel control methods if you're running out of available MAF voltage, or if you want to eek our every last bit of fuel that the high pressure pump will support.



I think the vital question is.......which one gives more gains?


The answer is neither really. The controllers only change engine parameters, so one really can't change parameters better than the other. Although you could argue that one is easier to use the other.

The gains you get will come down to how you choose to tune the car, and has little to do with the controller you used to make the changes, as long as it's doing its job effectively. 16 pounds of boost is 16 pounds of boost, just like a 12:1 air/fuel ratio is a 12:1 air/fuel ratio, no matter which controller you use.

Feel free to correct me if I've misspoken Ken.


Jordan

[Captain KRM P5]

Actually, the Standback has the capability to control fuel either by MAF voltage scaling or fuel pressure manipulation. We wanted to include both options in case someone still prefers to tune using the MAF. You could even use both fuel control methods if you're running out of available MAF voltage, or if you want to eek our every last bit of fuel that the high pressure pump will support.

ah good to know. when i last spoke to josh on the phone as well as 4drhtrd, my impressions were that fuel was solely controlled by pump pressure change alone. fuel pressure regulation has been a tried and true method of tuning since the days of carburetion and in many good ways simplifies the process. thank you for clarifying.



The answer is neither really. The controllers only change engine parameters, so one really can't change parameters better than the other. Although you could argue that one is easier to use the other.

The gains you get will come down to how you choose to tune the car, and has little to do with the controller you used to make the changes, as long as it's doing its job effectively. 16 pounds of boost is 16 pounds of boost, just like a 12:1 air/fuel ratio is a 12:1 air/fuel ratio, no matter which controller you use.

Feel free to correct me if I've misspoken Ken.


Jordan

agreed. the individual tuning the car and the conditions it is being tuned in will greatly affect how effective the system performs. you could have the greatest most powerful system in the world, and if someone with no experience tries to make major changes to the mapping without understanding what those changes are doing to the vehicle, you're not going to see great results and may end up causing more harm than good. teams of engineers spend months if not years on a vehicles ECU mapping trying to account for every variable, and even after the release of a car you see reflashes being released. having experience in tuning is important or knowing someone who has experience will not only provide the best results, but safe ones. touching on the subject of air/fuel ratios, having a solid safe one is obviously ideal, but getting the right combination of fuel, air and timing that also provides horsepower can be a trick sometimes. i've found it possible to have a 12:1 ratio that provides little power and a 12:1 ratio that provides unsafe power if that makes any sense.

[dadasracecar]

I was at CPE the other night and snapped a couple of pix of the CPE and XEDE internals. Lou bought an XEDE to investigate it. You cansee from the pix the relative complexity of the Standback compared to the XEDE. Lou said he wrote an OS for the XEDE chip in 1991. Anthony said that the one of the chips in the Standback runs at 300 MHz. The XEDE chip runs at 1 MHz.

XEDE
109303
CPE Standback
109302
Flame away...

[RevLimitLaunch]

well ill be first to admit i don't know much of what im looking at there. i realize cpe has a heck load more to the board than the xede, but thats as far as it goes with me and electrical items. i'm more of the mechanical design major lol.

[Captain KRM P5]

that the one of the chips in the Standback runs at 300 MHz. The XEDE chip runs at 1 MHz.


no offense, this could mean any number of things. thats almost like saying the Atari Jaguar was a superior piece of hardware to something like a PS1 being that it was 64 bit VS 32 bit. its important to know which chip in each system does what and by saying "one of the chips" against "the chip" is a little unfair. i am not comparing the CPE system to an Atari Jaguar by any means, by the way :)

now, we are one of the few companies with first hand views and experience of both systems in action on this particular vehicle. i'd say we are the only company to have direct experience tuning both of these systems on this particular vehicle honestly. my brother spent some time tuning the CPE system and i'll let him chime in if he wants to. He was impressed with the feature set of the system as it sits right now. Something that bothered him, and I'll admit bothers me, is that the car would throw check engine lights and try to revert/override if trying to tune outside of aggressive acceleration. I do not know if this is typical of the system or perhaps an error made in install. Otherwise, tuning was smooth and easy and changes were noticable on both driving and instrumentation. We've been trying to get more time with the system and I know the owner is itching for dyno time as well.

Now, there are going to be people/fanboys who cry foul or scream bias or accuse me of whatever they like. Go for it if you feel the need. I am not flaming the system in any way. Josh asked me not to slander or flame the system when I told him we would be taking a look at it, and even if I thought it was garbage (I don't, by the way) I would never do anything like that. He asked me to be fair and I feel I am be. I think it is a very good and capable system with potential. I would like to see the CEL issue ironed out if possible.

[Koenig]

You know what I want.... KEn....Jordan?


I wanna use my Nintedo DS with an EMS, so I can "draw" my fuel map damn it LOL (headbang)

or at least use the stylus to make easier changes..... any chance on you guys making it happen?

(kinda like that DTEC or whatever with the gamboy advance sp) ????

[Captain KRM P5]

You know what I want.... KEn....Jordan?


I wanna use my Nintedo DS with an EMS, so I can "draw" my fuel map damn it LOL (headbang)

or at least use the stylus to make easier changes..... any chance on you guys making it happen?

(kinda like that DTEC or whatever with the gamboy advance sp) ????

haha you are persistent sir, i grant you that. there are revisions underway for the XEDE unit, however i do not think DS support is one of them ;)

[Koenig]

haha you are persistent sir, i grant you that. there are revisions underway for the XEDE unit, however i do not think DS support is one of them ;)


Any chance you can tell me what I need to know to start my own fabricating?

I do know computer programming....... is it possible for me to some how get ahold of the XEDE info so I can make it work with the DS interface?

(I've already hacked my DS and PSP)

:D

I could make it work for EVERYONE....WOOOO HOOO (rockon)

or at least you could just look into DS support as one of the revisions?

That would definitely seal it for me.....

notebooks = large and clunky
Nintendo DS = hides away in my center console (group)


wouldn't really have to be "draw" my fuel map (Although I wish!) but more along the lines of being able to easily make changes, kind of like the DTEC with the Advance SP, but using the stylus to select changes instead of moving the keypad around to highlight and change things.

[gsrtype1]

the exede is 1,000 how much is the cpe, that makes a diff, but i don't want any cel' lights like the capt. was saying .. maybe exede is a little more experianced(bicker) who knows we need unbiased dyno and real world tests

[forrestang]

now, we are one of the few companies with first hand views and experience of both systems in action on this particular vehicle. i'd say we are the only company to have direct experience tuning both of these systems on this particular vehicle honestly. my brother spent some time tuning the CPE system and i'll let him chime in if he wants to. He was impressed with the feature set of the system as it sits right now. Something that bothered him, and I'll admit bothers me, is that the car would throw check engine lights and try to revert/override if trying to tune outside of aggressive acceleration. I do not know if this is typical of the system or perhaps an error made in install. Otherwise, tuning was smooth and easy and changes were noticable on both driving and instrumentation. We've been trying to get more time with the system and I know the owner is itching for dyno time as well.


So you guys will be able to say that you've got two cars with two different EMS's on them, and you've tuned them both.

Should be good for the community.

IIRC, you'll have two cars with two big turbos with the engine management systems, so you guys should be able to get at least one of them to make some good power!!!

It really would be awesome if we could get both of those cars to that dyno on the 7th? Is it looking like we can get at least 5 cars there?

[Koenig]

hey ken can you elaborate on what you were talking about with you and your brother saying that the car would throw CELs and revert/override when trying to tune outside aggressive acceleration?

Give me a better example? like what you were trying to tune and what the result was, that makes you feel that opinion.

[RevLimitLaunch]

the exede is 1,000 how much is the cpe, that makes a diff, but i don't want any cel' lights like the capt. was saying .. maybe exede is a little more experianced(bicker) who knows we need unbiased dyno and real world tests

cpe is only 600

[Chris-BE]

The CPE Standback is light years better then the XEDE system. No doubt about it!

[Captain KRM P5]

oh yeah and heres a link to my guy musoms dyno results with the standback and a fmic...looks like me and him pretty much have the same numbers....so do some research before you post...(gtfo)
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3207597#post3207597

and see, this is the kind of thing that can work two ways; fans of the XEDE can say that jason got as much or even more power with less money spent, less time spent and less mods put into the car and fans of CP-E can say that musom's car just needs to be tweaked. there is a difference between being a fan and being a fanatic. not one fact is out there, proven or otherwise, that says one system is "light years ahead of the other."

as for my concerns i voiced above, i'll see if Aric wants to chime in on this thread with his thoughts on tuning the standback. he is a member of the forums and i'd rather have him go into greater detail than misconstrue his thoughts.

[Koenig]

I'll prove which one is better.......give me one of each and i'll put both on the car, one after the other and the best tunes out there and then i'll go to the track and see what's up

LOL

Ok maybe that won't REALLY happen, but if anyone has access to both should try that........the best tune with the Standback and the XEDE on cars with the same bolt on parts...... nice :D

[www.cp-e.com]

I would like to see the CEL issue ironed out if possible.


Thanks for being so professional about all of this Ken. We asked you to honestly represent both products and it looks like you've done just that, so we really appreciate your dedication to delivering an unbiased account of both products' peformance.

Regarding the CEL issue, what I think happened is that you tried to make changes to the map in closed-loop operation. This would explain the CEL, and why the car was overriding the changes you were making. During closed loop operation the car is going to try to hit a target air/fuel ratio, and anytime you try to deviate from that air/fuel ratio the car will (try to) correct the error. Of course I wasn't there so I can't say for sure, but that's my best guess with the information you've provided. In order to make changes while in closed loop you'll either need to 'fool' the oxygen sensor or use some kind of stand-alone system.


Jordan

[Karma_hunden]

forget about piggybacks..those are old school. Buy the ALL NEW KARMA direct boost controller. It comes with a hose connected to the turbo that goes all the way to you. Add your own psi's by just blowing on it. Good if you have a girl companion, she will practice good and make your car faster! BUY NOW!!! TIMES RUNNING OUT!!!





























full efficiency not guaranteed...monoxide inhalance might result fatal to user.

[Chris-BE]

Yeah and you know this because you also have a xede system on your car to right?....Me and forrestang have the same turbo kit and same tmic so when my turbo is installed and his is tuned well know then. My bet...theyll both be pretty much the same
oh yeah and heres a link to my guy musoms dyno results with the standback and a fmic...looks like me and him pretty much have the same numbers....so do some research before you post...(gtfo)
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3207597#post3207597


So I need to do some research?

Easy there kid. I based my opinion on what I know, and on what I have experienced. The first rate service given by CP-E is a major factor in my selection. The fact that it worked just great on the first try, (unlike some XEDE users I read about) is on par with their QUALITY WORK. The instructions are amazingly clear, easy, and with geat pictures.

Beside the fact that your argument is based on PURE SPECULATION. You don't have the same exhaust, don't have the same turbo.

Are your dyno numbers from the same dyno? Same day? Did you do a before/after dyno run that showed the gains you received from your modifications? If you can't show me before and after dyno runs with and with-out the mods then your argument lacks any credibility.

Do I need to go over the features or should I say NON features of the XEDE compared to the CP-E Standback? How easy is it to change the boost settings on the fly? Can you tune by using the fuel settings, or just by the MAF? Can you tune to allow VTA with a SIMPLE map change? Can you call the good folks that designed and make the XEDE directly any day of the week? Not a reseller! (You can at CP-E btw.)

Do you have the CP-E Standback? Oh you better do some research then.

[Captain KRM P5]

Thanks for being so professional about all of this Ken. We asked you to honestly represent both products and it looks like you've done just that, so we really appreciate your dedication to delivering an unbiased account of both products' peformance.

In order to make changes while in closed loop you'll either need to 'fool' the oxygen sensor or use some kind of stand-alone system.


i gave you my word that i would fairly and accurately represent the product. now you and josh just need to get back to me about some other business stuff ;)

as for the closed loop override, i would normally agree however we have not encountered that so far on the XEDE. again, that could be any number of things and not representative of either product in either way.

[jcgemt2003]

So I need to do some research? I'm a dumbass?

Easy there kid. I based my opinion on what I know, and on what I have experienced. The first rate service given by CP-E is a major factor in my selection. The fact that it worked just great on the first try, (unlike some XEDE users I read about) is on par with their QUALITY WORK. The instructions are amazingly clear, easy, and with geat pictures.

Beside the fact that your argument is based on PURE SPECULATION. You don't have the same exhaust, don't have the same turbo.

Are your dyno numbers from the same dyno? Same day? Did you do a before/after dyno run that showed the gains you received from your modifications? If you can't show me before and after dyno runs with and with-out the mods then your argument lacks any credibility.



Do I need to go over the features or should I say NON features of the XEDE compared to the CP-E Standback? How easy is it to change the boost settings on the fly? Can you tune by using the fuel settings, or just by the MAF? Can you tune to allow VTA with a SIMPLE map change? Can you call the good folks that designed and make the XEDE directly any day of the week? Not a reseller! (You can at CP-E btw.)

Do you have the CP-E Standback? Oh you better do some research then.

Feel free to insert more child like smiley faces in your next argument, it really makes your thoughts more compelling.
Bitch Im 30 so watch who your calling kid...your the one who said that the standback is light years ahead.that sounds like speculation if I ever heard it ..Ive seen both in person have you? I have a crush bent catback exhaust and a cpe cold air intake with a cpe hks blowoff valve..and the ets tmic...he has the full cpe setup....we make the same numbers...yes your fukn dumbass...I believe that the customer service I recieved from both ken and cpe are both pretty much equall....I like them both actually...Who gives to shits about vta or recirt....oh and YES I CAN change my boost on the fly....So theres one actual thing that the cpe ems can do that xede cant...OH YEAH AND HERE YOU GO (chair) More child like smiley faces that everyone uses but you because your how old?
Just how many people have problem with there Xede on there speed6? As far as I knew theres been only 2 people with it on there car....Me and 4drhtrd...hmmm...so that make 1...dumbass. Oh yeah and the only problem he had with his was that he couldnt add any more fuel because he maxed out the maf. But you would know that if you did some research.(screwy) (breakn) (pissed) :mad: (nana) (hi)
(first) :) (poke) (outie) I personally think they both do what there supposed to do...not one any better than the other...If one was really better than we'd see bigger gains from one and not the other....the objective is to control fuel, boost and timing....seems to me they both do that...So as far as Im concerned you dont know your dick from your elbow..I dont care if you do test drive cars...so in closing....
ITS NOT THE SYSTEM ITS THE TUNER

[Koenig]

Bitch Im 30 so watch who your calling kid...your the one who said that the standback is light years ahead.that sounds like speculation if I ever heard it ..Ive seen both in person have you? I have a crush bent catback exhaust and a cpe cold air intake with a cpe hks blowoff valve..and the ets tmic...he has the full cpe setup....we make the same numbers...yes your fukn dumbass...I believe that the customer service I recieved from both ken and cpe are both pretty much equall....I like them both actually...Who gives to shits about vta or recirt....oh and YES I CAN change my boost on the fly....So theres one actual thing that the cpe ems can do that xede cant...OH YEAH AND HERE YOU GO (chair) More child like smiley faces that everyone uses but you because your how old?
Just how many people have problem with there Xede on there speed6? As far as I knew theres been only 2 people with it on there car....Me and 4drhtrd...hmmm...so that make 1...dumbass. Oh yeah and the only problem he had with his was that he couldnt add any more fuel because he maxed out the maf. But you would know that if you did some research.(screwy) (breakn) (pissed) :mad: (nana) (hi)
(first) :) (poke) (outie) I personally think they both do what there supposed to do...not one any better than the other...If one was really better than we'd see bigger gains from one and not the other....the objective is to control fuel, boost and timing....seems to me they both do that...So as far as Im concerned you dont know your dick from your elbow..I dont care if you do test drive cars...so in closing....
ITS NOT THE SYSTEM ITS THE TUNER


Although It's not my arguement I didn't know 30 yr olds used that kind of language....

OH BTW both of your arguements are pointless.......yes that's right..... pointless....... it wouldn't matter if XEDE was far better than CPE, there are still going to be people who prefer the tunability of the CPE and those who prefer XEDE......... do us all a favor and STFU and stop arguing so those of us don't have to read your posts thinking it might have information on helping to choose which EMS we might want to buy....

I have yet to buy an EMS and neither of you douche bags are helping further my decision towards either product with viable info.......... (bicker)

[RevLimitLaunch]

Although It's not my arguement I didn't know 30 yr olds used that kind of language....

OH BTW both of your arguements are pointless.......yes that's right..... pointless....... it wouldn't matter if XEDE was far better than CPE, there are still going to be people who prefer the tunability of the CPE and those who prefer XEDE......... do us all a favor and STFU and stop arguing so those of us don't have to read your posts thinking it might have information on helping to choose which EMS we might want to buy....

I have yet to buy an EMS and neither of you douche bags are helping further my decision towards either product with viable info.......... (bicker)

+1 to the crap; on another note, i'm more or less biased to whoever comes out with pnp first lol.

[Killer]

Bitch Im 30 so watch who your calling kid...your the one who said that the standback is light years ahead.that sounds like speculation if I ever heard it ..Ive seen both in person have you? I have a crush bent catback exhaust and a cpe cold air intake with a cpe hks blowoff valve..and the ets tmic...he has the full cpe setup....we make the same numbers...yes your fukn dumbass...I believe that the customer service I recieved from both ken and cpe are both pretty much equall....I like them both actually...Who gives to shits about vta or recirt....oh and YES I CAN change my boost on the fly....So theres one actual thing that the cpe ems can do that xede cant...OH YEAH AND HERE YOU GO (chair) More child like smiley faces that everyone uses but you because your how old?
Just how many people have problem with there Xede on there speed6? As far as I knew theres been only 2 people with it on there car....Me and 4drhtrd...hmmm...so that make 1...dumbass. Oh yeah and the only problem he had with his was that he couldnt add any more fuel because he maxed out the maf. But you would know that if you did some research.(screwy) (breakn) (pissed) :mad: (nana) (hi)
(first) :) (poke) (outie) I personally think they both do what there supposed to do...not one any better than the other...If one was really better than we'd see bigger gains from one and not the other....the objective is to control fuel, boost and timing....seems to me they both do that...So as far as Im concerned you dont know your dick from your elbow..I dont care if you do test drive cars...so in closing....
ITS NOT THE SYSTEM ITS THE TUNER

any more posts like this and you may not be here that long. Capeche?

[Killer]

and for the others...PLEASE keep this a civil debate.

[Captain KRM P5]

and for the others...PLEASE keep this a civil debate.

that has been both my and jordan's intent from the outset.

[cherryspeed]

This a very interesting thread sprinkled with some pretty silly name calling and immaturity.
Everybody needs to calm down a bit, afterall we are all on the same damn team!
The bottom line is that the CPE is the first, and only, ems designed with the 2.3 mzr engine as it's specified target. I have seen this unit working in person, and have followed it's development very closely. There is a tremendous amount of potential there for subsequent versions to deal with some of the specific issues we have with this engine and ecu: items like throttle position and direct injection. I have no doubt, given some time (ok it's cpe, so maybe a year...lol) that the standback will be running circles around other, more generic tuning options.
And it would be hard to argue that the fuel pressure method of controlling fc is more appropriate for our disi engines for extracting the absolute most power vs maf clamp.
I am sure CPE has plans to develop this unit for many other vehicles (can you say 335i), but the bottom line is that they are using our engine for the development of this unit. This means we are getting all the great info and improvments, plus all the benefits of first rate customer service, directly from the MANUFACTURER.
That said I have absolutely nothing against the XEDE or DTEC options for our car. I have had fantastic results with my dtec, and am very impressed with the results of the xede on the car from Ken. My car, as well as that one, are currently devolping higher gains than vehicles with a complete CPE set up.
The issue comes into play when you start factoring in things like fuel cut, maf voltage, direct injection and throttle position. These are the areas where a specified ems will be able to shine. Will it create a huge hp gain over the more generic units, probably not. It may, however, allow the car to have a smoother power delivery and less issues with fuel cut and pressure. IE: it will more than likely make it easier for the end user to extract a very impressive increase in usable, safe hp

[QUOTE=Captain KRM P5

now, we are one of the few companies with first hand views and experience of both systems in action on this particular vehicle. i'd say we are the only company to have direct experience tuning both of these systems on this particular vehicle honestly.
[/QUOTE]

I would be very interested to see these side by side results. Hopefully you and your brother can get together and share with the rest of us what you have experienced. It would be a great thing for the community.

And, as stated earlier which bears repeating,

It's not the ems...it's the person tuning it....lol

[Koenig]

that has been both my and jordan's intent from the outset.

And that's what I love about both of you, you're not running your mouths or letting your fingers fly, you're going back and forth in a civilized manner and providing potent data for me to decipher and decide which EMS I want...... but I'm still really torn between the two, lol

It wouldn't matter if both came out with plug & play at the same time (which is what I'm waiting for) but more in the means of, which is tuner friendly that doesn't have so many complex ratios and data fields that I manipulate.......

basically whichever one is easier for even an idiot to use, and whichever allows the best "tune on the fly" capabilities.



and of course whichever allows for Nintendo DS tuning!!! (rockon) (hey... I can hope right? (lol2))

[Killer]

I can feel the love...can you feel the love? (lol2)

[Koenig]

The love is abound in this room/thread (rockon)

[Karma_hunden]

killer...I challenge you to a dance off!

[Killer]

killer...I challenge you to a dance off!

Sorry..I didn't bring my tights!(mj)

[cherryspeed]

Now I know why I spend so little time on this forum.

[Koenig]

Sorry..I didn't bring my tights!(mj)



LMAO........... (dance)

[Killer]

Now I know why I spend so little time on this forum.
meh

[Koenig]

Someone doesn't have much fun huh? :(

[StephanieT]

Do I need to go over the features or should I say NON features of the XEDE compared to the CP-E Standback? How easy is it to change the boost settings on the fly? Can you tune by using the fuel settings, or just by the MAF? Can you tune to allow VTA with a SIMPLE map change? .
Out of curiosity, tell me everything the Xede can do. And tell me everything the CPE unit can do.


Can you call the good folks that designed and make the XEDE directly any day of the week? Not a reseller! (You can at CP-E btw.)
Yes you can. No one ever said you could not. Chip Torque is readily accessible, just remember they are down under. The reseller is usually easier to get ahold, closer to your time zone and all that. And the reseller has a little bit more experience with the unit on your continent. Almost ALL of the good Engine management systems come from international companies. Besides, there is always the added security that the unit has been test by three different companies on two different continents before it ever hit your hands. ;)
Stephanie

[RevLimitLaunch]

cpe is near golden for pnp....can't wait til it's finalized

[DashingMax]

cpe is near golden for pnp....can't wait til it's finalized

Is XEDE plug-n-play??

[Koenig]

Is XEDE plug-n-play??


I don't believe it is..... There would have been some kind of announcement already, I don't believe anyone is plug and play yet

and I believe CPE is the closest..... Though there are some people that seem to be holding out hope for the COBB tuner. I myself would definitely get that if they cracked the ECU, because the stuff they do for Subarus is great.

Last I remember CPE already had the harnesses and everything to make their EMS PnP, they just needed to test it out.


I'm still waiting for someone to crack the Nintendo DS and make the EMS work with that......... draw your own fuel map (thumb) (yeah right but it's a nice dream, eh?)

[jcgemt2003]

I don't believe it is..... There would have been some kind of announcement already, I don't believe anyone is plug and play yet

and I believe CPE is the closest..... Though there are some people that seem to be holding out hope for the COBB tuner. I myself would definitely get that if they cracked the ECU, because the stuff they do for Subarus is great.

Last I remember CPE already had the harnesses and everything to make their EMS PnP, they just needed to test it out.


I'm still waiting for someone to crack the Nintendo DS and make the EMS work with that......... draw your own fuel map (thumb) (yeah right but it's a nice dream, eh?)

CPE only has one side of the harness...they need the other one before than can complete....They got it many...many months after the protege garage....Ken is working on a full stand alone....That second harness is proving to be a real bitch to get our hands on....bottom line...Once either one of them has the second harness they both will....I think its the company who makes it has a contract with Mazda and they cant make it for anyone else.

[Koenig]

CPE only has one side of the harness...they need the other one before than can complete....They got it many...many months after the protege garage....Ken is working on a full stand alone....That second harness is proving to be a real bitch to get our hands on....bottom line...Once either one of them has the second harness they both will....I think its the company who makes it has a contract with Mazda and they cant make it for anyone else.

yeah i'm aware of ken working on a full stand alone.... he informed me. I'm just going to be waiting on that....

is the harness patent pending? if not they should be able to find someone else to make it.......

[jcgemt2003]

Maybe it is patent pending...dont know but I do know its a pain in the ass to get.

[Koenig]

Maybe it is patent pending...dont know but I do know its a pain in the ass to get.

If it's THAT hard to get the harness, or at least the wiring diagram to make your own..... I guarantee it's patented :(