has anyone used a oil sender?

[sp33d03]

im trying to hook up my oil guage, but i dont wnat to drill into my block. I seen that they make an oil sender. You take off your oil filter, and bolt the sender on and everything that goes to it, and then put the oil filter on the sender, would that be the best bet to go ? or is there an even easier way?

[jmv]

you can read about the method i used here:

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123615506

when i was trying to do it, someone informed me that the adapters that go inbetween your oil filter and your block required you to cut the bolt that your oil filter goes on to, which didn't sound like something i wanted to do at all. Others have said thats not the case, it may depend on which adapter you get. Regardless you can always remote mount it. Or, if you don't want the stock dummy light in the dash you can just replace the stock oil sender with the aftermarket one. Check out that thread.

[sp33d03]

thanks man it seems a lil confusing, but they say its easy

[Maxx Mazda]

Screw your pressure sender into the stock hole. Done and done. Put a T if you don't want the dummy light on.

[jmv]

well its not necessarily that easy.... the threads on the block are bspt and any aftermarket sender is most likely npt, so you'll need an adapter. Then if you want to keep the stock dummy light you pretty much have to remote mount it due to all the weight of the hardware needed to get it all to work. And if you decide you don't want the dummy light and disconnect the stock sender and the dummy light comes on, all you should need to do is ground it.

[Maxx Mazda]

I remote mounted all my shit, and the 1/8" NPT thread fit perfecly man... I'm not the first...

[Kansei]

It's cheap enough to just buy the bpst adapter. I used the oil supply kit from www.stealthmodeperformance.com (hondas use bpst as well) and it came with the adapter to plug into the bpst and give you a bpst to hook up the stock sender and two 1/8NPT (one for turbo oil feed, one for oil pressure sender for gauge.. it came with a screw in plug for those though)

[jmv]

I remote mounted all my shit, and the 1/8" NPT thread fit perfecly man... I'm not the first...


fair enough, but i wouldn't want to take that chance when you're messing with threading stuff into the block itself.

[dirtysouth_msp]

Yo sp33d03, check out the 4th page of my engine build thread. I go into detail with pictures about how to set this up. The threads in the block are different! Read this first!

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123655800

Sorry link is to first page of thread.

Remote mounting may be a better choicedue to weight, but everything is very solid as it is. The only thing I would have to do to remote mount would be to add a length of steel braided hose between the autometer pressure sender and the mazda oil feed line adapter (T).

[sp33d03]

okay so its not that easy then.. it seem pretty easy, but since you guys did it, how do you feel about it? was it hard or easy.. i just dont want to strip the block and be screwed..

[khaosman]

thanks man it seems a lil confusing, but they say its easy

This is a little easier to follow... gives you a better idea of what to buy

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3040028&postcount=56

Or if you don't care and just want to order the stuff, here is my order:
1
Each 4092K11
Precision Threaded Type 316 SS Pipe Fitting 1/8" NPT Female X 1/8" BSPT Male Adapter, 6100 PSI
$7.60 $7.60 in the morning
2
Each 50785K75
Med-Pressure Extruded Brass Thrd Pipe Fitting 1/8" Pipe Size, Tee
$1.55 $3.10 in the morning
1
Each 5485K21
Med Pressure Extruded Brass Hex Nipple 1/8" Pipe Size, 31/32" Length
$0.69 $0.69 in the morning
1
Each 4860K151
Brass Threaded Pipe Fitting NPT Male X BSPP Female, 1/8" Adapter, 1" Length
$4.66 $4.66 in the morning
1
Each 4468K221
PTFE Braided Hose W/Type 304 SS Braid Swivel Male X Male Fitting, 24" L, 3/16" ID, 3000 PSI (Same as 4468K401)
$14.07 $14.07 in the morning
2
Each 9171K46
Precision Thrd Hi-Pressure Brass Pipe Fitting 1/8" Pipe Size, Hex Head Plug, 5600 PSI
$2.84 $5.68 in the morning

From http://www.mcmaster.com/

[Kansei]

Then definitely get a proper BPST threaded tee :)

[sp33d03]

http://www.glowshiftdirect.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=305 .. check out this ..would this be what i need to PROPERLY hook up my oil guage?

[Kansei]

I dunno, says it's all NPT?

this is the right thing to hook it up: http://stealthmodeperformance.com/oil-blockfit.shtml

[hoindawall]

i did mines using a sandwich plate. i had to replace the oil filter bolt with a shorter one.

the good thing about the plate is that it has more than one port so you can put say oil pressure and temp.

[sp33d03]

yeh its NPT.. i need BPT .. ?

[jmv]

to start off with, the stock sender and the block are both threaded with BSPT (british standard pipe thread). However, pretty much no matter who makes your gauge, the aftermarket sender is going to be NPT (national pipe thread), and so will pretty much all the fittings you can find. This means that you have to do some special adapters and whatnot. For this, livelyjay's post at the top of the second page in this thread is very helpful. The second list, under "1 aftermarket gauge with stock sender" Contains all the parts you'd need for your fittings, MINUS the pieces for the remote mounting (essential because not only is there not enough room, but also because you'd have a massive amount of stuff hanging off your block and vibrating and getting undue stress).


---thats copied and pasted from the thread i referenced you to.

EDIT: for the hyperlink with the part numbers, you're just gonna have to go read the actual post, i'm too lazy to copy and paste that too.

[sp33d03]

alright thanks man ..im going to re-read that thread hopefully understand it and get to work ..

[Sleepy]

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[jmv]

alright thanks man ..im going to re-read that thread hopefully understand it and get to work ..


if theres parts of my big long explanation that you don't understand, let me know what specifically is confusing you and i will try to help.

Are you planning on keeping the dummy light or no??

[sp33d03]

yeah i want everything to work... so i plan on keeping the dummy light working

[jmv]

alright, thats what the directions i typed up are for.

[sp33d03]

alright cool.. i cant put the guages in yet tho =/ cos i havent bought a pillar/pod for them yet.. i seen them going to so much like 80-100 bills looking for one a lil cheaper.. neways .. i should be working on it this weekend.. and ill let yu know how everything goes.. thanks again for your help and if i have questions, they will be asked.

[sp33d03]

hey guys .. would this work? http://www.***************/ProSport_Oil_Filter_Adaptor_p/m20xp1.5.htm

[sp33d03]

street unit

[jmv]

i did mines using a sandwich plate. i had to replace the oil filter bolt with a shorter one.

the good thing about the plate is that it has more than one port so you can put say oil pressure and temp.


in this guys case he needed a new oil filter bolt to use a piece like the one you were looking at. I don't know how to do that, and personally i would prefer just using the fittings etc, but your mileage may vary.

[sp33d03]

oh i see i see.. well yu were able to see what i sent you? and i guess im going go with the directions.. i just dont know what to buy, like everything yu bought .. i need to kno everything ill need

[jmv]

yes i was able to see the link you posted, i had to click the 'reply' button on your post, copy and paste the end of the url and tack it on to www. street unit .com.

As far as the list of parts you need, there is a link to a thread with part numbers direct from a hardware website....

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123615506&page=2&highlight=oil+pressure

you'd need to look at the '1 aftermarket gauge with stock sender' list. In addition to that stuff, you'd need the things for the hose, which i outlined in the instructions.





I'm not trying to tell you my way is the only way to do it, just saying that personally i'd prefer to do it the way that i did it.

[sp33d03]

no i dont feel that way.. i trust your way cos you have done it and it worked out perfectly for you .. and how do you feel this istallation was.. easy..hard? its pretty much if you follow the directions you stated its common sense..correct?

[jmv]

ummm, it was a little bit frustrating, mostly just because there is so little space under there and trying to make sure i had the right parts and all that was kinda a bitch, but if you have the parts and can get a good hose, then it shouldn't be too bad.

I managed to get my car up on some ramps so it was plenty high up in the air, which helped out some.

I feel like i've represented pretty accurately the things that are involved in my directions.... the only hard thing might be getting the right hose because i managed to get one made custom at a local speed shop.


I should clarify: if you've got a decent amount of mechanical inclination, it shouldn't be too hard. If not well then i dunno.

[Kansei]

If you are going to do a lot of work under there for oil stuff, I'd take the intake manifold off (yay, so much "fun".. ugh). I hate laying under the car reaching up into that mess to work on stuff.

[jmv]

i dunno i would go that far. But t each their own.

[dirtysouth_msp]

Taking off the manifold makes it a lot easier. If you have the 626 manifold, you will not need to take it off for sure. the side opposite the throttle body is completely open:)

[sp33d03]

well taking off the manifold will that hurt anything? cos i dont think i would or will be taking it off..
and as far as if its a easy job, your right if im able to go by what you said in the post i will be find.. im going to purchase everything you told me .. but i do have a ques. its better to go electrical verses mechanical.. ?

[ChopstickHero]

its better to go electrical verses mechanical.. ?
i would go electrical. you should never run any mechanical pressure gauges into your cabin. in the event of an accident and those lines come loose and free, they will leak all over you (think hot oil pouring on your face). not good.

[dirtysouth_msp]

i would go electrical. you should never run any mechanical pressure gauges into your cabin. in the event of an accident and those lines come loose and free, they will leak all over you (think hot oil pouring on your face). not good.

Ummm, boost gauge...(poke)

[Kansei]

Ummm, boost gauge...(poke)

I don't run that into my cabin either :) twas easier to run sender wires through the firewall than the vacuum line.

[sp33d03]

i actually never put it together like that, like think of the causes and everything.. good points going on here..

[ChopstickHero]

Ummm, boost gauge...(poke)

yeah... but boost gauge does not have hot liquid (oil or fuel) that can spray all over you and burn you. manifold air will be hot, but will not "spill" all over you.

[Maxx Mazda]

My buddy's mech. oil pressure gauge sprung a leak and pissed oil all over his alpine deck from in behind, over the space of about a month... Biggest mess ever!

[sp33d03]

ouch so pretty much i have to run the lines away from being pintched and away from important things so if anything seems to bust it wont be to hurtful to my car

[jmv]

well.... if you're talking about an oil sender.... then to me that would imply having an electronic gauge, correct??

You should NOT run a mechanical oil pressure gauge to your cabin...

[hoindawall]

ouch so pretty much i have to run the lines away from being pintched and away from important things so if anything seems to bust it wont be to hurtful to my car

if it were to bust you'd have 220 degree oil all over your car and possibly on you and your passenger.