Faulty XEDE

[k-lea]

I hate to contribute to this community but whatever.

First I want to say I used to talk *highly* of BEGI and I still will with some of their products BUT they had no right getting involved with the Xede.

Some of you know that I put my MSM back to stock and I sold my Xede, if you didn't, now you do. Here's the jist:

When I first bought the Xede I went through total hell. It was wired wrong and just really ephed up my car. The car wouldn't start at times and would stall (during intersections was the best). The Xede throws a CEL but no one experienced a flashing CEL like I did. Steph told me not to worry about it. WRONG. She told me it was just my car..I believed her like a total idiot. During the time of my Xede being plugged into my car, I experienced odd boost levels. I'd bounce around from 10 (where the Xede puts you at if you go through the boost process) to 15psi. We fixed some of the issues but I was still getting the odd boost levels and still had a flashing CEL.

Well, today I get a message from Jay Wu, the guy who bought it, and said;
"hmm
yea..
last nite..when i first put it in
wuz ite..
then i took it on the freeway
shit flashes
like a rave party"

WTF. I told him to disconnect the Xede because it's obviously that unit. Not only did he post a thread about it over on the MSM forums, but he emailed Steph. Good luck with that one, he has yet to get a reply.

I guess the thing I am doing here is warning you MSM owners who are looking into buying the Xede. There is *no* support on this thing. If you have a issue you are left to hang dry. Countless calls, emails, etc will go ignored until you call there and yell. The only support you get on these things is from the forums. There are a few lucky ones who know about this unit and everything it does.

So, here I am being accused of selling a bs unit. I told him to disconnect it and send it back to BEGI. I practically begged the kid to do this. Why? Because it fucked my car up, royally. I thought it was a tune but it seems it's more than that..

BE WARNED.

[Kansei]

glad they never made stuff for the Protegay :)

[k-lea]

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[Captain KRM P5]

ok i understand your experience with the XEDE wasn't the greatest, but from everyone else i spoke to and read from, the other miata folks have had largely trouble free experiences. lets not forget yours was also the first unit. i'm not going to touch the comments on customer support from BEGi or Vishnu, etc, however I really - and please don't take offense - don't think you're qualified to even hint at warning people away from a Mazdaspeed3 or Mazdaspeed6 unit. The Mazdaspeed3 units have shown major success without hassle or issue in every car we've seen them installed in and have been complaint free. We figured out the correct wiring pattern for the Mazdaspeed6 here after a few people said the unit unilaterally would not work on that car, and not only does it work, it works fabulously and there is no other Mazdaspeed6 running the times we run with any other setup. We've got a stock turbo car with nothing more than an intake running 13.1 @ 106 and - no discredit to CP-E - their car with thier EMS and an open downpipe can't surpass 13.4.

i admit after your experience to having doubts about the unit. but after getting my hands on one, installing it, tuning it i don't feel bad recommending the unit. its important to remember that there is always the chance with any EMS of there being a bad apple. how many unichips or MPIs have people complained about over the years?

as for support - i agree Shiv and Vishnu were useless in helping me out. thats why i am bypassing the middlemen altogether and talking directly with ChipTorque about anything XEDE related. I don't have too much an issue getting a hold of Steph. I've called her close to midnight on a Saturday or Sunday and get a hold of her when I have a question.

i'm not trying to attack you, and i do think you had a crappy experience, but its not fair to lump the unit as a whole into that category when statistically it performs very well.

[k-lea]

I wasn't really warning the MS3's or 6's.

It wasn't a serious-serious comment..
I knew of ONE MS3 that was having issues and was wired by them. If this was for the MS3's and MS6's I would have taken this to a different section of the forum. Honestly, I couldn't careless about the MS3's and MS6's. This was for the "community" of MSM's we have here.

After how I have been treated by BEGI and after hearing stories of the same happenings, I don't mind being blunt. I'm thrilled she calls you back and answers the phone when you call. You also have MUCH MORE leverage on her than I do. I'm just some one consumer, you are someone who will advertise the hell out of this and make money. My say means nothing, I'm just a pissed of buyer, get what I'm saying here?

I liked the system for as long as it worked but when I had issues they had no way of answering them correctly. No bueno. I went around and around in circles with them everytime I had a problem. *shrugs* BEGI is good for their turbo kits, front mounts, dp's and what not but when it came to this they totally jumped the gun.

[Captain KRM P5]

I wasn't really warning the MS3's or 6's.

It wasn't a serious-serious comment..


?

well then honestly i don't get the point of the comment being made at all...

like i said, sorry you had a bad experience overall. and to be totally frank i'm not sure leverage had much to do with me getting a hold of BEGi over you. she has her interpretation of all this which, should she want to post, i'll let her do so of her own volition.

[k-lea]

Also, should I be ok that this system crapped out my car? No. Is it my fault that I bought a EMS that they had no idea what they were doing (in the beginning)? No. They were very professional about it and sounded like they knew what was going on. When I realized my Xede was wired wrong I got a little iffy because they were stunned. "How could this happen?" sort of thing. After that, things went downhill quick..

[k-lea]

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well then honestly i don't get the point of the comment being made at all...

like i said, sorry you had a bad experience overall. and to be totally frank i'm not sure leverage had much to do with me getting a hold of BEGi over you. she has her interpretation of all this which, should she want to post, i'll let her do so of her own volition.
Then I'll kill the comment.

[Captain KRM P5]

Also, should I be ok that this system crapped out my car? No. Is it my fault that I bought a EMS that they had no idea what they were doing (in the beginning)? No. They were very professional about it and sounded like they knew what was going on. When I realized my Xede was wired wrong I got a little iffy because they were stunned. "How could this happen?" sort of thing. After that, things went downhill quick..
ok so what is BEGi doing now or did they do that has these systems working right whereas your unit did not. i never said you weren't entitled to being angry over a bad experience. it was your newly killed comment that irked me as unjustified and unfair.

[k-lea]

Uh, they wired it completely wrong? It's not the first time anyone has had a problem with the unit, so it's not just me.

[StephanieT]

After how I have been treated by BEGI and after hearing stories of the same happenings, I don't mind being blunt. I'm thrilled she calls you back and answers the phone when you call. You also have MUCH MORE leverage on her than I do. I'm just some one consumer, you are someone who will advertise the hell out of this and make money. My say means nothing, I'm just a pissed of buyer, get what I'm saying here?
First of all let me start off by saying I VERY rarely will get into it with someone over something like this. HOWEVER.... you are spewing lies. Tsk. Tsk.

Bad service?
Gee how many times did you call me on my cell phone after hours? 5 to 6.
How many times did I answer? Every time.
How many times did you send me e-mails? 5 to 6.
How many did not get a response? 1.
How long did I spend on the phone with you installing this system? 3 hours at 11 pm.
Who sold you a used downpipe? How long did I let it go before you paid me? 4 months. Did I charge you interest? No.
How many times did you bring you car down here to be worked on? twice. It was driving fine when it left the last time. WE WILL NOT ACCEPT RESPONSIBILY FOR YOUR LACK OF ATTENTION TO GETTING IT FIXED.

Liked the system for as long as it worked but when I had issues they had no way of answering them correctly. No bueno. I went around and around in circles with them everytime I had a problem. *shrugs* BEGI is good for their turbo kits, front mounts, dp's and what not but when it came to this they totally jumped the gun.
No offense, but what do you know? You haven't the first clue about EMS. You are not qualified to offer an opinion, or offer a "boyfriends" opinion. This is an answer for your car. The Air intake screwed it up. It is a bad design. It made your car run bad before the Xede. And the Xede will make any mechanical problem that much worse especially when it depends upon those sensors.

they wired it completely wrong
No, that would have been you. We checked the harness, it was correct. We added wires for other functions.

The Xede throws a CEL but no one experienced a flashing CEL like I did. Steph told me not to worry about it. WRONG. She told me it was just my car..I believed her like a total idiot. During the time of my Xede being plugged into my car, I experienced odd boost levels. I'd bounce around from 10 (where the Xede puts you at if you go through the boost process) to 15psi. We fixed some of the issues but I was still getting the odd boost levels and still had a flashing CEL.
A flashing CEL is no problem, depending upon what the codes are. God only knows what you did to your car. Am I responsible if you have a bad O2 sensor? Am I responsible if the air intake on your car is a piece of s**t? Oh and didn't we attempt to fix that for you at no charge? Gee that is not nice at all! How could we do something nice?

but he emailed Steph. Good luck with that one, he has yet to get a reply.
Honestly, who are you to know? Since it matters so much, I have talked to him several times, provided him with base maps and so forth. Funny, he has not mentioned much of this to me.

I guess the thing I am doing here is warning you MSM owners who are looking into buying the Xede. There is *no* support on this thing. If you have a issue you are left to hang dry. Countless calls, emails, etc will go ignored until you call there and yell. The only support you get on these things is from the forums. There are a few lucky ones who know about this unit and everything it does.
Again, you should not be talking about things you know nothing about. For all the favors we did you, it is very surprising that you would attempt to stab us in the back like this. There was no support for the Xede until we took it over. Now there is. And most everyone seems happy with it. Is it 100% perfect? No, nothing ever is. Otherwise why would we try to improve upon it?

So, here I am being accused of selling a bs unit. I told him to disconnect it and send it back to BEGI. I practically begged the kid to do this. Why? Because it fucked my car up, royally. I thought it was a tune but it seems it's more than that..
Personally, I think you screwed your car up. First of all someone installing parts who does not know what they are doing. You who has wrecked how many cars? Don't even try to lay the blame at our feet. Modifying cars is expensive, and unless you are prepared financially for such a task, one should not do so.

There are probably several reasons why you have been banned from how many forums now? This is probably one of them. You start stuff you should not. And fail to tell the whole story. Not to mention the name calling and language used.

So, Cheers, good luck with the car. And I invite you to do business elsewhere in the future.
Stephanie

[Kansei]

Hmm.. a confrontational tone from a vendor.. definitely not cool at all in my book.. not that you guys make anything for the Proteges but I'll keep my business elsewhere now.

very unprofessional.

[k-lea]

Wow Steph, good one on that. Glad to know your true personality..

I shall respond when I return home.

[StephanieT]

May not be cool. But I consider it far worse to lie publicly.
Stephanie

[Kansei]

May not be cool. But I consider it far worse to lie publicly.
Stephanie

Kristin represents.. Kristin alone. You represent XEDE, Bell Engineering, whatever it may be.. for you to be confrontational is not cool at all.

For a mod/admin/vendor/amm/representative to be confrontational toward a member PUBLICLY is very bad.

If you want to talk trash, at least take it to PMs so people don't see it and form negative opinions about the company you represent.

[k-lea]

First of all let me start off by saying I VERY rarely will get into it with someone over something like this. HOWEVER.... you are spewing lies. Tsk. Tsk.

Bad service?
Gee how many times did you call me on my cell phone after hours? 5 to 6.
How many times did I answer? Every time.
How many times did you send me e-mails? 5 to 6.
How many did not get a response? 1.
How long did I spend on the phone with you installing this system? 3 hours at 11 pm.
Who sold you a used downpipe? How long did I let it go before you paid me? 4 months. Did I charge you interest? No.
How many times did you bring you car down here to be worked on? twice. It was driving fine when it left the last time. WE WILL NOT ACCEPT RESPONSIBILY FOR YOUR LACK OF ATTENTION TO GETTING IT FIXED.

I called many of times and never got a response. I usually got "Stephanie is out of the office." Ok, I can understand that. So how do I respond? "Tell her to call me back ASAP" do I get one? No. I had to call REPEATDLY to get a response from you.

We had issues on the emails, yes, but some I know for a fact went unnoticed. (I got your "away email")

Yes, you spent hours with us on the phone while installing the XEDE (which wasn't our fault since no instructions were given, so I'm guessing that's our bad that we didn't have any when I bought it). I praised you for this and appreciated it. I made it clear that night that I was happy you helped us.

The downpipe was a big deal, agreed. I did not pay you upfront, I will admit that. But that was all your game, you didn't HAVE to give me a DP without pay first.

Why didn't I bring my car down there? HRM. Because it's a 3 1/2 hour drive PLUS it took you guys ALL flipping day to figure out what was going on. To me, you should atleast have an idea of what is wrong.



No offense, but what do you know? You haven't the first clue about EMS. You are not qualified to offer an opinion, or offer a "boyfriends" opinion. This is an answer for your car. The Air intake screwed it up. It is a bad design. It made your car run bad before the Xede. And the Xede will make any mechanical problem that much worse especially when it depends upon those sensors.


No offense, but I don't have dad sitting behind me telling me what's going on. I wasn't given that. Nor have I had any sort of training on what I am doing. The intake was a problem, you are right.

No, that would have been you. We checked the harness, it was correct. We added wires for other functions.


WRONG. Tim himself apologized more than once saying he was sorry that it was wired wrong. BTW, what other wires did you add? Right, the wires that were already supposed to be on the Xede which they were not.

A flashing CEL is no problem, depending upon what the codes are. God only knows what you did to your car. Am I responsible if you have a bad O2 sensor? Am I responsible if the air intake on your car is a piece of s**t? Oh and didn't we attempt to fix that for you at no charge? Gee that is not nice at all! How could we do something nice?

Wow, I'm surprised someone else if having a flashing CEL as well. I guess it's just my piece of shit intake that caused it, right? Wrong again. He isn't running the same intake as I and what are the odds he'd be having a flashing CEL as did I and no one else did? I applaud you on your poise and calling Injen and pos. Congrats.


Honestly, who are you to know? Since it matters so much, I have talked to him several times, provided him with base maps and so forth. Funny, he has not mentioned much of this to me.

I'm to know because I sold him this Xede. When he has issues, who did he come to? Me. Why? Because he couldn't get ahold of you. (So he says)


Again, you should not be talking about things you know nothing about. For all the favors we did you, it is very surprising that you would attempt to stab us in the back like this. There was no support for the Xede until we took it over. Now there is. And most everyone seems happy with it. Is it 100% perfect? No, nothing ever is. Otherwise why would we try to improve upon it?


Once again, I was not trained for the Xede as you were. Of course I didn't know the system. There was NOu THING about it. I came into this thinking you had all the answers and this was good to go, I was mistaken.


Personally, I think you screwed your car up. First of all someone installing parts who does not know what they are doing. You who has wrecked how many cars? Don't even try to lay the blame at our feet. Modifying cars is expensive, and unless you are prepared financially for such a task, one should not do so.


Good job on that attack. Again, I do not have a dad who taught me these things. It's all on my own. I've wrecked ONE car and the MSM is it. How many have you wrecked? :) You are right, modifying is expensive and when I pay $1200 for something and it doesn't work, I'm going to be fired up. Btw, I have the finances now. :P


There are probably several reasons why you have been banned from how many forums now? This is probably one of them. You start stuff you should not. And fail to tell the whole story. Not to mention the name calling and language used.

I was banned because I didn't tip-toe around shit and didn't care what people thought. I spoke boldly. Sue me. Happens here as well. Also, I was banned from the MSM forums because one of the members was spreading false information about the car. I called him out on it. I have no comment on name calling and language since you just did pretty much the same.


So, Cheers, good luck with the car. And I invite you to do business elsewhere in the future.
Stephanie

Will do.

[k-lea]

After all is said and done, I'm thankful for what you guys have done for me in the past. Funny how I actually asked Ken to get a throttle inlet from you guys. That goes to show that just because of all this I wasn't going to stop buying products.

I'm truly happy that the members of this forum got to see you lash out, I'm also happy I got to see it as well. I wouldn't want to deal with someone as unprofessional as you just presented yourself.

Have a good one.

[B1GHAM]

Kristin represents.. Kristin alone. You represent XEDE, Bell Engineering, whatever it may be.. for you to be confrontational is not cool at all.

For a mod/admin/vendor/amm/representative to be confrontational toward a member PUBLICLY is very bad.

If you want to talk trash, at least take it to PMs so people don't see it and form negative opinions about the company you represent.

(mswerd)

[Hambino]

Kristin represents.. Kristin alone. You represent XEDE, Bell Engineering, whatever it may be.. for you to be confrontational is not cool at all.

For a mod/admin/vendor/amm/representative to be confrontational toward a member PUBLICLY is very bad.

If you want to talk trash, at least take it to PMs so people don't see it and form negative opinions about the company you represent.

Take a walk chris. (gtfo)

If they want to have it out, let them, you don't bring anything to the table so don't exacerbate it. If Kristen wants to "speak her mind" about someone or something, then the other party is allowed to reply in tone fitting. Especially since not all the facts are known.

[Mr. Win]

Take a walk chris. (gtfo)

If they want to have it out, let them, you don't bring anything to the table so don't exacerbate it. If Kristen wants to "speak her mind" about someone or something, then the other party is allowed to reply in tone fitting. Especially since not all the facts are known.

Valid point.

[Kansei]

Take a walk chris. (gtfo)

If they want to have it out, let them, you don't bring anything to the table so don't exacerbate it. If Kristen wants to "speak her mind" about someone or something, then the other party is allowed to reply in tone fitting. Especially since not all the facts are known.

I'm glad you "brought something to the table" .. wait nvm.

I agree that the facts should be known, but Stephanie right from the start was confrontational. There are better ways to word things. "The customer is always right" applies here I think.. even if it's a problem customer, appease them and get them out of your hair, and do it with a smile. Being confrontational in public can come back to bite you in the ass.

I guess maybe I've just been brainwashed by the courses on "careful communication" that HQ made me take at work?

[k-lea]

Chris, I agree with what you are saying. Even though I'm in the middle of this, I think she went far lower than I went.

[Mr. Win]

I'm glad you "brought something to the table" .. wait nvm.

I agree that the facts should be known, but Stephanie right from the start was confrontational. There are better ways to word things. "The customer is always right" applies here I think.. even if it's a problem customer, appease them and get them out of your hair, and do it with a smile. Being confrontational in public can come back to bite you in the ass.

I guess maybe I've just been brainwashed by the courses on "careful communication" that HQ made me take at work?

I disagree... working for a small buisness myself I hate that customers think they can walk all over you, even if they are upset. Respect still applies in all forms of communication. I don't agree with treating people like objects.

[Kansei]

I disagree... working for a small buisness myself I hate that customers think they can walk all over you, even if they are upset. Respect still applies in all forms of communication. I don't agree with treating people like objects.

People get upset when the product they bought doesn't turn out like expected. XEDE loves being so easy and plug and play, no tuning needed, etc.

"The XEDE is the most user friendly engine management available! It plugs directly into the stock ECU and requires no tuning.* The XEDE comes pre-programmed for your application. "

Negative comments from vendor reps reminds me of mam and that makes me a sad little emo boy :P

[Hambino]

Are you kidding me? You slammed them and they responded in kind. You basically lied and are pissed because she came back to defend her name.

Silly ass forum banter.

[k-lea]

Are you kidding me? You slammed them and they responded in kind. You basically lied and are pissed because she came back to defend her name.

Silly ass forum banter.
Wait, was that directed to me?

[Hambino]

Well you said one thing, and not one, but two reputable vendors came onto this thread and said a very different story. Not to mention, both whom know substantially more about tuning than you do. It would seem the problem lies elsewhere. Vendor bashing is ridiculous, especially when both sides say completely different things. What good does any of this do? You obviously knew she'd come on here and return the favor. It's like a elementary school playground.

[k-lea]

Well you said one thing, and not one, but two reputable vendors came onto this thread and said a very different story. Not to mention, both whom know substantially more about tuning than you do. It would seem the problem lies elsewhere. Vendor bashing is ridiculous, especially when both sides say completely different things. What good does any of this do? You obviously knew she'd come on here and return the favor. It's like a elementary school playground.

Ok..

One vendor came in for a WHOLE different reason. Before you go off on me learn your facts. I stated my issue with the Xede that someone else was having. I made it aware to other members as I should.

I lied? That's excellent you think that when a few other people might say differently.

They are VENDORS. They are going to PROTECT THEIR PRODUCT. Get the picture?

PS: Props to you on adding to your own peeve, banter.

[zumzumzoom03]

Ok..

One vendor came in for a WHOLE different reason. Before you go off on me learn your facts. I stated my issue with the Xede that someone else was having. I made it aware to other members as I should.

I lied? That's excellent you think that when a few other people might say differently.

They are VENDORS. They are going to PROTECT THEIR PRODUCT. Get the picture?

I feel that Kristin is doing us a favor. She is just writing basically a review of her experience with that company. How many times have you written reviews good or bad about products. I always do to help people out and inform them about my experiences. One bad review isn't going to persuade me from never buying anything from this company. I will weigh the good with the bad when I go to purchase it. No big deal. Thanks for the info Kristin

[B1GHAM]

Well you said one thing, and not one, but two reputable vendors came onto this thread and said a very different story. Not to mention, both whom know substantially more about tuning than you do. It would seem the problem lies elsewhere. Vendor bashing is ridiculous, especially when both sides say completely different things. What good does any of this do? You obviously knew she'd come on here and return the favor. It's like a elementary school playground.


Kristin may tell it how it is, but do you really think she would come on here and say what she said if BEGi took 100% care of her issues?

and do you find it coincidence that once her Xede was removed and the stock injectors were replace, that the car ran fine? I dont.

Still in all honesty, out of my many years of cust. service, there is a right way and a wrong way to handle shit. I dont have an issue of what stephanie was trying to get across, it was how she said it. Stephanie could have very easily said the EXACT same thing she said, and worded to to be a little more professional than it came off.

If she REALLY wants to get rude and irate with Kristin, she should have done it in a private forum (phonecalls, PMs etc.) Just like you wouldnt scream or argue with your customers in the middle of your business, would you?

[Hambino]

Uh. Alright. I've only heard you complain about your car problems about six millions times. I don't know how to make it any clearer. If you say Steph or anyone else provided no help to you whatsoever and then Steph shows up and says the complete opposite, I'd say that someone is lying.

also.

bullshit like this?

glad they never made stuff for the Protegay :)

You don't know anything about XEDE. They have proved to be a great unit and I've only seen one person that had issues with it. Which were self-inflicted and subsequently solved. You want to get on your soapbox about something, go yell at MAM or Unichip.

[k-lea]

Uh. Alright. I've only heard you complain about your car problems about six millions times. I don't know how to make it any clearer. If you say Steph or anyone else provided no help to you whatsoever and then Steph shows up and says the complete opposite, I'd say that someone is lying.

also.

bullshit like this?



You don't know anything about XEDE. They have proved to be a great unit and I've only seen one person that had issues with it. Which were self-inflicted and subsequently solved. You want to get on your soapbox about something, go yell at MAM or Unichip.

Wow, ok. *throws hands up* NOTHING ever happened to my car, nothing...

Wtf? As far as I'm concerned you have nothing to do with this. You don't know what happened and you don't know what went on. Better yet, you weren't there like some people.

Take your assumptions else where. YOU are getting nothing from this. YOU don't have a MSM, YOU didn't go through what I did, YOU aren't going to have to worry about this product unlike some people..

Seriously, calling me a liar? Fucking excites me.

[B1GHAM]

Uh. Alright. I've only heard you complain about your car problems about six millions times. I don't know how to make it any clearer. If you say Steph or anyone else provided no help to you whatsoever and then Steph shows up and says the complete opposite, I'd say that someone is lying.

What does kristin have to gain by lying? nothing really, except wasted time... What does Stephanie have to gain by lying? Future Business. Im not saying who did or didnt lie here so dont misconstrue what I am saying


You don't know anything about XEDE. They have proved to be a great unit and I've only seen one person that had issues with it. Which were self-inflicted and subsequently solved. You want to get on your soapbox about something, go yell at MAM or Unichip.


They have proved to be a good unit, in MOST applications. Did you take into account that Kristin had the first unit (which may or may not be a beta)? If it was self inflicted why is the other MSM owner have similiar experiences. And had Kristin installed it wrong, shouldnt it have been caught (and fixed) under the times that she was down @ BEGi? So then @ that point it wouldnt be self inflicted.

Also - once the BEGi unit was gone, the car ran fine.

I just call em how I see em...

Now Im not saying Stephanie doesnt have any valid points... I cant speak 100% about anything because I wasnt there for every single exchange. Im sure both stories are misrepresented to a point. I Cant see Kristin going out of her way to lie about an issue that was, @ this point, out of her hair...

[k-lea]

Not the *first* unit, but one of the first to be wired by them.

Correct. This unit is no longer in my car. I had a unhappy buyer and I couldn't fathom how he was having the same problems as I was. Since it was my "pos intake." THAT right there gave me a sign that somewhat was wrong with the unit.

Let's not mention that I STALLED IN A INTERSECTION. That's endangerment of my life, folks.

With that, I get pissed off because everything at once hits me. Emails were being bounced and not being responded to, calls weren't being responded to..it all came at once and I came here to let people know what the deal was.

[Hambino]

Well your posts in this thread say otherwise. You said something and two reputable people said it was false. Do the math. Nothing is wrong with your car? You've bitched to high hell about it. Remember the whole GTO conversation? The only reason I posted in this thread is because I'm tired of people chiming in bashing products that are great. Especially when people's application of said product is put into question. You can rant all you like, I just get pissed when people jump in, with absolutely no background with the product, and say "yeah totally, it's crap" or "I'm glad they didn't make this for my car" It's like every MPI thread ever made. People got pissed because they wouldn't know how to use it or install correctly. Although XEDE's quality is about 10x that of the MPI.

Steph called you a liar, I just connected the dots. RTFM.

[djarkitek]

(inout)

[k-lea]

Well your posts in this thread say otherwise. You said something and two reputable people said it was false. Do the math. Nothing is wrong with your car? You've bitched to high hell about it. Remember the whole GTO conversation? The only reason I posted in this thread is because I'm tired of people chiming in bashing products that are great. Especially when people's application of said product is put into question. You can rant all you like, I just get pissed when people jump in, with absolutely no background with the product, and say "yeah totally, it's crap" or "I'm glad they didn't make this for my car" It's like every MPI thread ever made. People got pissed because they wouldn't know how to use it or install correctly. Although XEDE's quality is about 10x that of the MPI.

Steph called you a liar, I just connected the dots. RTFM.

Kyle, last I talked to you I hadn't sold the Xede, thanks, and if I recall correctly, I hadn't even gotten my car back from the shop then.

You jumped in as well, practice what you preach. You attacked me and called me a liar? You are ignorant. You just contradicted yourself hardcore, way to go.

[B1GHAM]

Kyle, last I talked to you I hadn't sold the Xede, thanks, and if I recall correctly, I hadn't even gotten my car back from the shop then.

You jumped in as well, practice what you preach. You attacked me and called me a liar? You are ignorant. You just contradicted yourself hardcore, way to go.


yeah... in all honesty...

...just as bad as the people who dont know what theyre talking about bashing a product, are those that come in here, again not knowing what they are talking about, praising it.

[Hambino]

Uh, no, I read the thread, thought, well that sucks. Then saw Chris's post. It didn't even have anything to do with you at first. I didn't attack you, I just took what had already been said and expounded on it. That's it. I didn't bring anything new to the table whatsoever. I was pissed because Chris (kansei) slammed something he doesn't know jack about.

Most of this stems from the wild slamming of the MPI, which when I had it, I never had ONE issue with it. People who were bone stock were telling me I was an idiot and that it was total crap. I don't tolerate people slamming products unless all the facts are known and both parties can be civil about it. Saying "this thing is total crap and it screwed up my car" only to the be responded by "it's your own fault, we tried to help you" is not all the facts.

yeah... in all honesty...

...just as bad as the people who dont know what theyre talking about bashing a product, are those that come in here, again not knowing what they are talking about, praising it.


I've seen it up close and personal before and seen it's benefits first hand. (yupnope)

[k-lea]

Well, I wouldn't have said it if it weren't true.

I'll be the first to admit that I don't know nearly as much on the product as Steph does (dur) but I do know when a car is getting a bad taste. I had no control on what Chris said, don't put all that weight on me.

[B1GHAM]

I've seen it up close and personal before and seen it's benefits first hand. (yupnope)

thats great and all, but seeing one funtional non-issue unit doesnt give you ANY experience to speak as a whole. Have you ever had to trouble shoot one? Have you had to rewire the unit? Go through every conceivable issue?

hell have you even installed one?

Probably not...

Just because one works doesnt mean they all will, and vice versa.

[B1GHAM]

Well, I wouldn't have said it if it weren't true.

I'll be the first to admit that I don't know nearly as much on the product as Steph does (dur) but I do know when a car is getting a bad taste. I had no control on what Chris said, don't put all that weight on me.


yes but obviously all you do is complain about problems that no longer exist... :p

[Hambino]

I'm not, I responded to him and it ultimately turned into this. Granted, Topics like this leave me with the old MPI taste in my mouth and I don't want to see it happen again, especially to a vendor that is so vital to the growth of the aftermarket for the MS3/MS6 platform. I'm not saying they are allowed to do whatever they want because of this, but issues such as this should be handled privately or through a 3rd party. Especially when it's known that it is a remote problem, albeit, a big one.

[Mr. Win]

I think k and steph are equally guilty in their tone and mannerism.

[Hambino]

thats great and all, but seeing one funtional non-issue unit doesnt give you ANY experience to speak as a whole. Have you ever had to trouble shoot one? Have you had to rewire the unit? Go through every conceivable issue?

hell have you even installed one?

Probably not...

Just because one works doesnt mean they all will, and vice versa.

Again, swing and a miss. We installed one on an Evo. Open your mouth some more, see where it goes. (headshake

*edit, MS3 on the brain.

[k-lea]

Ok. I'm over this.

Peace.

[Hambino]

Ok. I'm over this.

Peace.

It's ok kristen, if you are still coming to carlisle, teh dinoz and I have <3's 4 joo.

[k-lea]

Haha, I'm not mad at you. This thread just went 2398429394 other places.

[B1GHAM]

Again, swing and a miss. We installed one on an Evo. Open your mouth some more, see where it goes. (headshake

*edit, MS3 on the brain.


LMAO - An evo isnt quite an MSM... and as I recall she was only speaking of the Xede units for the MSM... so you really havent gotten me on that one killer...

(deadhorse

I think Im with kristin on this one... This thread is going nowhere fast...

[Hambino]

Oh fuck off already dude.

[Kooldino]

*temp closed so that people can get the bunches out of their panties*